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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Michael Very show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I have received over the years a number of emails
from parents who are struggling with a child, and some
of them we've talked to on the air. Who is
in a term that I didn't know. I'm fifty three
years old. When I was in school, this term didn't exist.
That is, they are struggling with the child who is
in transition or considering transition, or they've just learned that
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the counselor at school is telling little Tommy that he
can be a girl, or a little Susie that she
can be a boy, and they don't know what to do.
And you know, it's one of those things that if
you don't have a kid going through this, you might
make an offhanded joke and you know, it's it's funny,
or it's you know, you don't you don't invest a
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lot of emotion, but when your child is going through anything,
you you don't want to separate from your child. You
don't want to disconnect from your child. You don't want
to be estranged from your child. You want to be
the best parent you can, and sometimes that's tough. Love
rub some dirt in it. And sometimes that's understanding, sometimes
that's listening. And I'm not a real touchy feeling guy,
but I'm probably a little more touchy feeling now that
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I'm older, and I understand, Hey, you can't be the
dad and mom that says we'll have nothing to do
with you anymore, or you leave your kid to a
system and an industry that, in my opinion, is very dangerous.
So with all that in mind, I had a listener
send me a book entitled A Practical Guide to Gender Distress.
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And look, I know what some of you are thinking.
I don't want to talk about boys trying to be
girls and girls trying. I don't either, but the reality
is it's happening. And I have my reasons as to
why I think it's happening. I think some people are
being encouraged. I think there's some peer pressure. I think
there's a lot to that. But I wanted to have
the author of this book on to talk about this
because this particular parent had read this book and found
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it useful in dealing with her child, and she's not
authorized me to say her name or any other details,
and so I won't. You can find this individual at
The Truthfultherapist dot com. Her name is Pamela Garfield Jaeger.
The book is a practical guide to gender distress. Pamela,
why don't we start with how you came to this issue?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Correct dot org?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Hello, I'm sorry it does say dot com I have
to protect my own I have to protect myself.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Here and it's showing as truthful f U L L?
Should it only be one L?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah? I'm not sure where you're seeing that my dot org?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know what, you may have a pr I'm not
sure how Jim Mudd found you, of my creative director,
but he cut and pasted this and it had dot
com and it had.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Truthful with two eels.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
But anyway, so, yes, the Truthfultherapist dot org.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
How did you come to this issue?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Hi? I'm an interesting unicorn because I'm a licensed clinical
social worker with over twenty years of mental health experience.
I work with teens and families in school, in clinics,
and hospitals all of this time, and I am one
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of the very few with all of this experience that
has been outspoken on this topic. And the reason I've
become outspoken about this is I actually had to take
a hiatus due to a health issue back in twenty seventeen,
and I came back to my job in twenty twenty
one and things had radically shifted at that point. That's
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when this trend really grew while I was on disability.
So when I came back, it was extremely shocking to me.
And I describe myself sort of like a rip band therapist,
like Rip Van Wrinkle, because I was sort of asleep,
not aware of what was happening in my profession. Things
radically changed. I came back and I couldn't believe my eyes.
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And I saw many kids at the program I newly
was working at identifying as trands that would never have
done that before.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And so walk me through how that brings you to today,
because it's a bit of an atypical, atypical practice.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Very atypical. I've had quite the journey, honestly. So I
had this disability. I still can't work a full time job,
so I have a lot less to lose. I think
that has a lot to do with it. There are
other people out there that agree with me, but because
cancel culture is so intense, they're afraid to speak up
and they're self censoring However, since I can't work full time,
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I have less to lose, so I've decided to be
more outspoken. Also, that job I was just just talking
about it was a healthcare worker job. I was in
California and there was a COVID vaccine mandate for healthcare workers.
I chose not to get the COVID vaccine, and that's
when I decided that I was called to speaking to
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these problems within my profession.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And how did I have to interrupt? Because I don't
like labels, but I am an anti vaxxer. I think
my brother died from taking the vaccine. He was only
fifty four years old. As a police officer. There is
now a case against astrasenica from police officers that is
being handicapped as a pretty good case because apparently officers
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were being given the astrosenica shot. I don't know why,
but I don't like mandates under any circumstances. Tell me
a little bit so I understand your mindset of why
you were opposed to that and how that played out.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, at the time, I wasn't really against any of it.
My personal reasons were I had severe chronic pain for
several years and At that point, I had finally recovered
enough to be functional to work part time at a job.
Before that, I could barely tie my shoes. I had
this nerve pain condition that was extremely severe, and the
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doctors didn't believe me. I went through an odyssey. I finally,
ever overcame all of that, and that's when this vaccine
mandate came through. I also had just recovered from COVID
and took that you know, horse pace, that horse medicine,
and I recovered just fine. And I didn't need it.
I knew that natural immunity was robust and I didn't
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need it. So I did not want to take it,
and I did not trust the healthcare system after everything
I had been through.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And so you were fired.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yes, i'd say I was let go. I just didn't
get more shifts. I was no longer able to work
for them, and I was not able to get an exemption.
There were the state of California would not allow doctors
to do a medical exemption. Check the box for medical exemption,
not religious exemption. And my reasons were not religious. My
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reasons were medical.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Interesting. That's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, I'm going to ask you to hold right there,
because I want to get into this.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Line in your biography.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid
therapists who lack skills or try to indoctrinate their children
and folks, let me tell you something. We're going to
begin this conversation in the next segment, but I want
to be very clear with you as parents, and that
you train your children of this. Do not let someone
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stick something in your kid's but mouth, ear, or arm
that you don't know what it is. Do not hesitate
to say not on this visit. We're going to do
some research and come back because you have agency, you
have control over your own body. Do not simply trust
when they're the experts. It doesn't work that way. All right,
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We're gonna talk to Pamela Garfield Yaker Jaeger The Truthfultherapist
dot org. A practical guide to gender distress for your kids,
and your grandkids and your sister's kids. Man Michael Berry,
The System of Modern Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest.
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Our website is The Truthfultherapist dot org. It says Pamela's
mission is to educate parents on how to avoid therapists
who lack skills or try to indoctrinate their children. She's
the author of the book A Practical Guide to Gender Distress.
She has a licensed therapist as well. So, Pamela, let's
start talking about what parents need to know if they
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sense well, actually, let me take a step back. What
are some signs for parents that maybe your kid is
starting to try out for Mavian rows. You know, your
kid's not sure what they are. What are some early signs.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, so one of the earliest signs is Internet youth.
If your child is spending a lot of time online
and becoming more withdrawn from you and your family and
things that your family value. Those are some indicators that
your child might be withdrawing from what your family values
and might be reaching towards a group of people that
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perhaps are teaching them values that go against what you believe.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
But do you notice in children any sorts of behavioral
changes when you sense that they're going through.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And what causes this?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I mean, my theory is kids that don't belong and
sometimes they're looking for a way to belong, and this
is sort of almost like a gang. You know, other
kids are often encouraging them to do this.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That is your serio is correct. That is one of
the main reasons. Basically, what these gender ideologs are doing.
They are taking vulnerable kids and they are recruiting them,
and I see them as exploiting the vulnerable. So it's
different for each child in each family. There's so many
different circumstances. In my book, I go through many different
scenarios of how and when a child could be recruited.
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To decide or believe it, their trends, some behaviors you
asked that you can just look at. Do they suddenly
change their dress to be more androgynous or different or
you know, pink hair, you know, if they start changing
their looks. A lot of times parents look at that
and say, well, I'm just going to let them express themselves.
And honestly, it's a tricky thing how to enforce changing
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or their dress. But it's good to be aware of
it and not to ignore it, and to really be
present with your child and recognize there's probably something.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Going on, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Pamela Garfield Yeger is our guest a Practical Guide to
Gender Distress.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I would say that's also good advice for kids who.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Are beginning to experiment with alcohol, kids who are beginning
to experiment with sexual activity, kids who are beginning to
experiment with self harm.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean you.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Identify problems and can help a child cope better when
you are as you said present. I don't often use
therapists speak, but there is something to be said for you.
If you're spending your time with your kid, if you're
running to the grocery store, put your kid in the
grocery store with you. Don't assume once that kid can
drive and has a phone, that living under your roof
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is enough. You've got to interact. You've got to get
inside their head. You've got to know what's going on.
Are there things that you begin to prepare parents how
to address these issues, How to begin that conversation with
a child, What sorts of things are off limits, and
what sorts of things are musts in dealing with this
early on.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah. I actually have a whole chapter about pronouns, because
one of the first ways they indoctrinate the children is
to have them share pronouns or even just observe their
friends use these pronouns. So I have a chapter about
how pronouns are hard. I think even conservatives often don't
recognize that using the pronouns is not innocent, and to
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teach them to speak out against it, just to say no, no,
thank you. This is causing fighting. I don't want to lie,
So even little kids can. You can have that conversation
with a little kid and help ground them in truth,
help them understand that they are a boy and they're
a girl. I mean, that's the best way is to
start young. And just if you're religious, of course, tell
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them this is how God made you. And help them
feel proud of the body that they were born in.
Because they're being taught in school and in the movies
and the government and everywhere that they are born wrong,
that their bodies are like a vessel, that they can
do whatever they want, almost like a form of transhumanism.
Little kids are being taught this. So parents need to
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get ahead of that and teach their children that they
are their bodies and the way they were born is
just right, and that you love them the way they are.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I think was this idea you talked about transhumanism? I
think there is an idea in a lot of secular
humanistic liberal and they each bring their own approach to this,
and it is the idea that everything is Okay, we'll
just hug it out and everything. It's a sort of
relativism of you know, your truth is your truth, and
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your feelings are your feelings and whatever they are, no
matter what.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
If you're feeling.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
But people don't realize if your kids said I'm going
to rob a bank.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You wouldn't go. Well, that's how you feel. Here's a pistol.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I think kids have to be molded and guided and
interacted with and coached and parented and loved and engaged
and disciplined and challenged. And that sounds like what you're
telling parents to do. When parents call you as a therapist,
where are they usually in that process?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, oftentimes I actually talk to parents with adult children,
usually who are in their early twenties. So that's difficult
because oftentimes the young adult is no longer living with
the family, But I still give a lot of the
similar advice, and the advice I give is figuring out
how to connect with that with that person and I'm
no longer a child, how to connect with that young
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person and to remain in contact with them because what
they're basically being, what's basically happening to them is they've
been recruited into occult like mentality, and the transactivists have
taught them that their families are the enemy. If they
have questions, or if they believe in truth or they
believe in reality, that they're the enemy. So your job
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as a parent is to let them know that no
matter what, you love them, and maybe in fact figure
out what might be the underlying issues. Because as as
you excuse me, as you said earlier, this has a
lot of parallels to alcoholism or eating disorders or other
ways people manifest issues. This is sort of the new
way of cutting, the new way of self harm. So
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there's always something underneath, and your goal, is someone who
loves them and cares about them, is to help them
address those issues.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
When you say parents are calling you parents of adult children,
are these children by this time? Typically when I say child,
I mean the next generation. Some people don't like me
to as word children about somebody that might be thirty.
I don't mean they're a little kid. I mean, yeah,
I am still the child of my parents. I'm one
of their children and I'm fifty three. When you say
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that they are they trying to figure out how to
relate to adult children who've left the home and maybe
that's that's.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Where we are.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, sometimes they've left the home. Sometimes they're still in
the home where they're about to leave the home. So
they're grasping to maintain that relationship. So they're calling me
to figure out what to do. And I got to
be honest at that phase. It's not easy, but there
is there is still hope.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I have a story with a friend of mine. Nobody
listening knows him, so don't worry that you might figure
out who it is. But what they're going and the
torment to his wife over a boy that's transitioning to
a girl is is. I mean, it's very stressful in
their marriage, it's very stressful on their home, and they
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are not equipped to deal with this and they've tried
every approach and this adult child in mid twenties is
just being cruel and tormenting, particularly his mother, and it's
awful to see.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Hold with us.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest. Our website is the
Truthfultherapist dot org. The book is a practical Guide to
gender distress.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And I have almost went to law school of Mars.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
The Michael Barry shown The Politicoltherapist dot Org. The line
that caught my attention. Pamela's mission is to educate parents
on how to avoid therapists who lacks skills or try
to indoctrinate their children. We're talking about boys that want
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to be girls and girls that want to be boys,
and what parents should do. But I will tell you
everything she said so far are, in my opinion, the
same thing you should do for a kid who is
beginning to develop bad behaviors, self harming behaviors with regard
to drugs and violence, and any number of other social
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disorders that all of them some of the same things. Parent,
your kid go into the weeds. Don't be afraid. Engage,
no matter how awkward it gets. Engage.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
One of the things I've seen, Pamela with kids who
go through these phases and by the time they're thirty,
thirty five to forty they come.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Out of it. It's like a plane that looks like
it's crashing. They get it back in the air again.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It is that the kids will say when the parent says, well,
you told us you don't wantus talk to you anymore,
so we didn't, and the kids will say, you weren't
supposed to do that. The kids expected the parents to
love them so much they defy them.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Does that make sense, Yeah, yes, And Transactive is weaponize
that too. I want parents to recognize that that sometimes
that level of tough love is being weaponized. They'll say, oh,
that means that you're abandoning your child and that you
don't love your child, when what you're doing is you're
trying to show your love by that tough love. But
in this case it really backfires because what will happen
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is your child will go into the hands of what
you would call their glitter family, which are really cult
members and cult leaders that will lead them down the
path of permanent sterilization, destroying their bodies, doing very dangerous behaviors,
and engaging with people that do not have the best
interest for your child.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
And in your experience, do you think those people. I
remember this was probably fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
There was an.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Article written based on an undercover investigation and they had
discovered that NAMBLA, which is these grown men who are
pediass and pedophiles and they want to diddle little boys.
And at the NAMBLA convention, they were helping them figure
out careers where they could be around little boys, and
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they were encouraging them to be librarians because you would
have the little boy in the library at the school,
you would be a position of authority. Nobody comes around
the library, you would have them to yourself. And I thought,
this is really really sick. But that means that there
were people who became male librarians for this sole purpose.
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Do you think that these counselors at the schools, do
you think they went in with malintention or they got
caught up in the woke web.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I think most have good intentions. I think most are misguided.
I think that this whole rainbow path has paved a
way for those predators to be there. Like you just described,
But most counselors, they're what they're really doing, and here's
more therapy speak. They're acting out their own issues onto children.
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They're trying to put their rescue fantasies onto your child.
So there's probably a part of them that's been harmed
that wasn't accepted, perhaps bullied, or maybe they weren't accepted
by their own parents, so they project that onto your
child and believe that that same thing is happening to
your child, and they do what they think is right,
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But it's a completely different situation. It's not themselves, it's
not what they needed. It's your kid who has the
loving family. So I think that's more of what's happening.
Plus it's coming from top down. We and myself included,
and I've gone against it, have been trained to do this,
to tear the child away from their parents, to believe
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the child over the parents, to immediately affirm a child's
gen under identity and keep that a secret. That's in
the training. So people who trust experts and trust the
people they're elders within their profession and our naives will
go along with it, and their empathy is being weaponized.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I read this about you.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Pamela has experience working in schools in New York City,
San Francisco, and in Silicon Valley, California. She's been a
clinical supervisor for over ten years, overseeing therapists working in
school based programs and in mental health settings. She has
worked in residential and outpatient programs for adults and teens
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who are severely mentally ill. Where are most therapists.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Getting it wrong?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Do they have bad intentions or are they simply employing
techniques that they believe are right, but you argue are not.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well. The profession has really changed since I came up
the ranks. I'm not going to say it was ever
per but there was some sort of gatekeeping where if
you were projecting your own issues, if you hadn't worked
out your own stuff, you had a supervisor or the
agencies that were doing the hiring woid screen those people out.
Whereas now that's being rewarded, and that's also what's being
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taught in the graduate schools. There's also a huge emphasis
on social justice culture and victim mentality, both for the
therapists and also to project that onto the clients. So
if you have a client that's a part of some
kind of minority group, and of course it's LGBT two
plus group is now the big one, they'll look at
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their client as a victim that needs to be protected,
as opposed to looking at the full picture, and that
clouds their perspective, and they're being taught that. If you
look at all the social media of the graduate schools
of the Association's National Association of Social Workers, which I
was once a part of years ago, I would no
longer touch them. They have terrible social justice messages on
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their social media. That's very anti therapeutic, So that's where
it's coming from. But so that's why the little old
Me is trying to speak to people to let them
know what is appropriate therapy.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You are a voice in the wilderness, Pamela. As I
told you, I had this listener who read your book
and sent it to me or so sorry, sent me
a screenshot of it and said, read this and explained why.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And I can't give any more.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Details than that because it was a very personal story
about her family, and I said, I'll do you one better.
I'll put her on the air and reading your website,
The Truthfultheapist dot org. I am grateful there is someone
out there like you doing what you're doing. More with
Pamela Garfield Diager. The book is a Practical Guide to
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gender Distress. The website is the Truthful Therapist dot org.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Stay tuned with.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
LaToya kidsrill if I love meets a Michael Berry, that's good,
Fire on Fine Praise Jesus. Truthful Therapist dot org is
the website. The book is a practical Guide to gender Distress.
The author and licensed therapist is Pamela Garfield Jaeger. She
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has been a clinical supervisor for over a decade, overseeing
therapists in school based programs and in mental health settings.
She's worked in residential and outpatient programs for adults and
teens who are severely mentally ill. And we're talking about
kids who want to transition or beginning that conversation, and
particularly resources and tools for parents, because you don't want
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to lose your kid, and part of this is a
cult that steals your kid from it. And I would
have called that conspiracy, crazy stuff before I saw it happen.
I'll give you an example, Pamela, and I'm sure you've
seen this a thousand times. So my buddy's wife, my
buddy's wife, their daughter, their son, very heavy set, socially awkward,
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didn't fit in in college, couldn't find a career, kind
of kind of a wastrel, as we would to call it,
not you know, not really sure what to do in life.
And then at some point starts kind of kind of
tinkering with this the way kids used to tinker with
with drugs or alcohol or crime or credit card fraud
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or whatever else. And then he he decides he's a girl,
and he moves a few states away and he's playing
his birth father against his birth mother. My buddy's married
to the birth mother, and he gets the birth father
to pay his rent one month and then mom, and
he withholds his connection to them if they.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Don't pay their bills.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
And then he creates these fights with his mother, which
is causing my friend who's married to her a lot
of distress because it upsets her. The mother flies out
to where he is on the East coast and goes
there to meet with him and hug him and get
this resolved, and bangs on the door and he's inside,
and she bangs on the door for hours and he
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won't open the door, and she lays sits down back
against the door like a movie scene, bawling until finally
she realizes, after hours and hours of this, she has
to go back to the airport and get back on
the plane and come home, crying the whole time. This
is her child, and just the cruelty. And I'm hearing
this story and seeing this play out again and again.
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It's like these rioters at the hamas writers. It says,
if there is a playbook for what to do, and
this is very it angers me. Your thoughts on this situation.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, it just sounds heartbreaking. You feel like a scene
in the movie. There's a scene in that movie with
Leonardo DiCaprio, the Basketball Diaries. It sounds just like that
because the mom had to set a limit because of
his substance abuse. There are very much parallels to this. Yeah,
I mean it's deep for me to just magically say
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what would be the right advice for this family. I
honestly couldn't do that without getting to know them. But
clearly this boy young man is acting out things that
he needs to resolve. And the difference between this and
all those other issues that you mentioned is that the institutions,
the professionals are reinforcing it. He's getting his hormones, probably
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for free, from planned parenthood. If not, he's getting it
from an actual medical doctor, from his insurance if he
has insurance. So normally you never have a doctor that say, well,
here is your cocaine, have at it. Well here, Now
we have institutions that are giving these hormones to the
young adults, and so it's just heartbreaking. So that's why
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we need to sound conspiracy theory. And I think even
if I heard myself talking just five years ago, I
would say I was crazy right now, but that is
what's going on. So people need to be aware that
there is some kind of agenda out there to destroy families,
and unfortunately this family is a victim of that. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
It is heartbreaking, and there's such good people. And you
know what bothers me most is if this woman did
not love her son, this would be easier. It's as
if the love you have for your child is being
turned on you, and it's tragic. And my worst fear
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is this child now adult, is manchild who wants to
be a woman take his own life, which as you know,
is a very common ending to this story. And then
the mother has to live with that the rest of
her life, and the guilt and the regret and all
of that.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean, this is awful, yes, And.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
That's being weaponized. The suicide lie has been weaponized. As
you probably know, and many of your listeners might already
know that. Therapists and teachers and slogans across everywhere tell
you that if you don't affirm the person who's identifying
as trans that they will kill themselves. So it's your
fault if you don't go along with their lie. However,
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there's no proof of that. And the truth is people
who tend to fall into this transgender lie already have
mental health issues, just like this young man you're describing.
He sounds like he has something a failure to launch,
perhaps he's on the autistic spectrum. Sounds like there's some
family turmoil, and so there's other reasons that are not
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being addressed. And he believes, in his mind, because he's
been lied to, that if he becomes a woman, that
will solve all of his problems. And we know that
that's not the case, and he's still going to have problems.
In fact, he's just going to compound them. And now
he doesn't have a connection with the people that truly
love him, which actually makes it worse.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So what do you encourage them to do? Are people
similarly situated.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Well, I mean the mom is doing everything she can.
I mean, once they've gotten into that phase where they're
truly not talking to you, there isn't a whole lot
she can do with her son other than give him
the message that she loves him in all different ways.
And it sounds like that's what she's doing. I recommend
for her to reach out to some parent groups of
their other parents that are going through a similar thing.
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They exchange ideas and they can get support from each other.
There's a substack called pit Parents Parents with Inconvenient Truths
about trans and there's some very heart wrenching essay with
parents of similar stories. I bet she would connect with
a lot of parents that have written in those substacks.
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There is an organization called Our Duty. I think it's
our Duty dot com or maybe dot us. I'm not
sure if I have the URL correct, but they are
called Our Duty. I know there's a US location and
a Canadian location, so you can look those up. All
of these things that are actually listed in the back
of my book so finding resources. There's also an agency
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called Genspect that has some parent groups. So there are
several agencies that are putting together parent groups support for
parents that are going through this. So if they don't
hold that guilt on their own and they recognize it's
not all their fault and then perhaps they can work
on whatever, perhaps the things that are in the family
that could be strengthened so that the person that is
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going through the trends can come back to a healthier system.
But it's of course it's not simple.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, our time is. You are a wonderful resource.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Folks can go to the Truthfultherapist dot org and there
is a contact me button, you can email there, you
can buy the book there, there are resources there, there's
a video to watch there about gender transformation and our transition.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Ninety nine percent of our audience will not need your services,
but for that one percent, we might just make a difference,
and that is the goal. Pamela Garfield Jaeger a voice
in the wilderness of sanity and care and reasonableness.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I am grateful for.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
You, and I appreciate you taking the time to do this,
and you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Hast with you. Thank you, and good night.
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Michael Very show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I have received over the years a number of emails
from parents who are struggling with a child, and some
of them we've talked to on the air. Who is
in a term that I didn't know. I'm fifty three
years old. When I was in school, this term didn't exist.
That is, they are struggling with the child who is
in transition or considering transition, or they've just learned that
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the counselor at school is telling little Tommy that he
can be a girl, or a little Susie that she
can be a boy, and they don't know what to do.
And you know, it's one of those things that if
you don't have a kid going through this, you might
make an offhanded joke and you know, it's it's funny,
or it's you know, you don't you don't invest a
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lot of emotion, but when your child is going through anything,
you you don't want to separate from your child. You
don't want to disconnect from your child. You don't want
to be estranged from your child. You want to be
the best parent you can, and sometimes that's tough. Love
rub some dirt in it. And sometimes that's understanding, sometimes
that's listening. And I'm not a real touchy feeling guy,
but I'm probably a little more touchy feeling now that
(01:27):
I'm older, and I understand, Hey, you can't be the
dad and mom that says we'll have nothing to do
with you anymore, or you leave your kid to a
system and an industry that, in my opinion, is very dangerous.
So with all that in mind, I had a listener
send me a book entitled A Practical Guide to Gender Distress.
(01:50):
And look, I know what some of you are thinking.
I don't want to talk about boys trying to be
girls and girls trying. I don't either, but the reality
is it's happening. And I have my reasons as to
why I think it's happening. I think some people are
being encouraged. I think there's some peer pressure. I think
there's a lot to that. But I wanted to have
the author of this book on to talk about this
because this particular parent had read this book and found
(02:13):
it useful in dealing with her child, and she's not
authorized me to say her name or any other details,
and so I won't. You can find this individual at
The Truthfultherapist dot com. Her name is Pamela Garfield Jaeger.
The book is a practical guide to gender distress. Pamela,
why don't we start with how you came to this issue?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Correct dot org?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Hello, I'm sorry it does say dot com I have
to protect my own I have to protect myself.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Here and it's showing as truthful f U L L?
Should it only be one L?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah? I'm not sure where you're seeing that my dot org?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know what, you may have a pr I'm not
sure how Jim Mudd found you, of my creative director,
but he cut and pasted this and it had dot
com and it had.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Truthful with two eels.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
But anyway, so, yes, the Truthfultherapist dot org.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
How did you come to this issue?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Hi? I'm an interesting unicorn because I'm a licensed clinical
social worker with over twenty years of mental health experience.
I work with teens and families in school, in clinics,
and hospitals all of this time, and I am one
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of the very few with all of this experience that
has been outspoken on this topic. And the reason I've
become outspoken about this is I actually had to take
a hiatus due to a health issue back in twenty seventeen,
and I came back to my job in twenty twenty
one and things had radically shifted at that point. That's
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when this trend really grew while I was on disability.
So when I came back, it was extremely shocking to me.
And I describe myself sort of like a rip band therapist,
like Rip Van Wrinkle, because I was sort of asleep,
not aware of what was happening in my profession. Things
radically changed. I came back and I couldn't believe my eyes.
(04:15):
And I saw many kids at the program I newly
was working at identifying as trands that would never have
done that before.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And so walk me through how that brings you to today,
because it's a bit of an atypical, atypical practice.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Very atypical. I've had quite the journey, honestly. So I
had this disability. I still can't work a full time job,
so I have a lot less to lose. I think
that has a lot to do with it. There are
other people out there that agree with me, but because
cancel culture is so intense, they're afraid to speak up
and they're self censoring However, since I can't work full time,
(04:52):
I have less to lose, so I've decided to be
more outspoken. Also, that job I was just just talking
about it was a healthcare worker job. I was in
California and there was a COVID vaccine mandate for healthcare workers.
I chose not to get the COVID vaccine, and that's
when I decided that I was called to speaking to
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these problems within my profession.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And how did I have to interrupt? Because I don't
like labels, but I am an anti vaxxer. I think
my brother died from taking the vaccine. He was only
fifty four years old. As a police officer. There is
now a case against astrasenica from police officers that is
being handicapped as a pretty good case because apparently officers
(05:39):
were being given the astrosenica shot. I don't know why,
but I don't like mandates under any circumstances. Tell me
a little bit so I understand your mindset of why
you were opposed to that and how that played out.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, at the time, I wasn't really against any of it.
My personal reasons were I had severe chronic pain for
several years and At that point, I had finally recovered
enough to be functional to work part time at a job.
Before that, I could barely tie my shoes. I had
this nerve pain condition that was extremely severe, and the
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doctors didn't believe me. I went through an odyssey. I finally,
ever overcame all of that, and that's when this vaccine
mandate came through. I also had just recovered from COVID
and took that you know, horse pace, that horse medicine,
and I recovered just fine. And I didn't need it.
I knew that natural immunity was robust and I didn't
(06:35):
need it. So I did not want to take it,
and I did not trust the healthcare system after everything
I had been through.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And so you were fired.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yes, i'd say I was let go. I just didn't
get more shifts. I was no longer able to work
for them, and I was not able to get an exemption.
There were the state of California would not allow doctors
to do a medical exemption. Check the box for medical exemption,
not religious exemption. And my reasons were not religious. My
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reasons were medical.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Interesting. That's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, I'm going to ask you to hold right there,
because I want to get into this.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Line in your biography.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid
therapists who lack skills or try to indoctrinate their children
and folks, let me tell you something. We're going to
begin this conversation in the next segment, but I want
to be very clear with you as parents, and that
you train your children of this. Do not let someone
(07:40):
stick something in your kid's but mouth, ear, or arm
that you don't know what it is. Do not hesitate
to say not on this visit. We're going to do
some research and come back because you have agency, you
have control over your own body. Do not simply trust
when they're the experts. It doesn't work that way. All right,
(08:04):
We're gonna talk to Pamela Garfield Yaker Jaeger The Truthfultherapist
dot org. A practical guide to gender distress for your kids,
and your grandkids and your sister's kids. Man Michael Berry,
The System of Modern Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest.
(08:32):
Our website is The Truthfultherapist dot org. It says Pamela's
mission is to educate parents on how to avoid therapists
who lack skills or try to indoctrinate their children. She's
the author of the book A Practical Guide to Gender Distress.
She has a licensed therapist as well. So, Pamela, let's
start talking about what parents need to know if they
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sense well, actually, let me take a step back. What
are some signs for parents that maybe your kid is
starting to try out for Mavian rows. You know, your
kid's not sure what they are. What are some early signs.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, so one of the earliest signs is Internet youth.
If your child is spending a lot of time online
and becoming more withdrawn from you and your family and
things that your family value. Those are some indicators that
your child might be withdrawing from what your family values
and might be reaching towards a group of people that
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perhaps are teaching them values that go against what you believe.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
But do you notice in children any sorts of behavioral
changes when you sense that they're going through.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And what causes this?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I mean, my theory is kids that don't belong and
sometimes they're looking for a way to belong, and this
is sort of almost like a gang. You know, other
kids are often encouraging them to do this.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That is your serio is correct. That is one of
the main reasons. Basically, what these gender ideologs are doing.
They are taking vulnerable kids and they are recruiting them,
and I see them as exploiting the vulnerable. So it's
different for each child in each family. There's so many
different circumstances. In my book, I go through many different
scenarios of how and when a child could be recruited.
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To decide or believe it, their trends, some behaviors you
asked that you can just look at. Do they suddenly
change their dress to be more androgynous or different or
you know, pink hair, you know, if they start changing
their looks. A lot of times parents look at that
and say, well, I'm just going to let them express themselves.
And honestly, it's a tricky thing how to enforce changing
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or their dress. But it's good to be aware of
it and not to ignore it, and to really be
present with your child and recognize there's probably something.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Going on, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Pamela Garfield Yeger is our guest a Practical Guide to
Gender Distress.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I would say that's also good advice for kids who.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Are beginning to experiment with alcohol, kids who are beginning
to experiment with sexual activity, kids who are beginning to
experiment with self harm.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean you.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Identify problems and can help a child cope better when
you are as you said present. I don't often use
therapists speak, but there is something to be said for you.
If you're spending your time with your kid, if you're
running to the grocery store, put your kid in the
grocery store with you. Don't assume once that kid can
drive and has a phone, that living under your roof
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is enough. You've got to interact. You've got to get
inside their head. You've got to know what's going on.
Are there things that you begin to prepare parents how
to address these issues, How to begin that conversation with
a child, What sorts of things are off limits, and
what sorts of things are musts in dealing with this
early on.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah. I actually have a whole chapter about pronouns, because
one of the first ways they indoctrinate the children is
to have them share pronouns or even just observe their
friends use these pronouns. So I have a chapter about
how pronouns are hard. I think even conservatives often don't
recognize that using the pronouns is not innocent, and to
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teach them to speak out against it, just to say no, no,
thank you. This is causing fighting. I don't want to lie,
So even little kids can. You can have that conversation
with a little kid and help ground them in truth,
help them understand that they are a boy and they're
a girl. I mean, that's the best way is to
start young. And just if you're religious, of course, tell
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them this is how God made you. And help them
feel proud of the body that they were born in.
Because they're being taught in school and in the movies
and the government and everywhere that they are born wrong,
that their bodies are like a vessel, that they can
do whatever they want, almost like a form of transhumanism.
Little kids are being taught this. So parents need to
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get ahead of that and teach their children that they
are their bodies and the way they were born is
just right, and that you love them the way they are.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I think was this idea you talked about transhumanism? I
think there is an idea in a lot of secular
humanistic liberal and they each bring their own approach to this,
and it is the idea that everything is Okay, we'll
just hug it out and everything. It's a sort of
relativism of you know, your truth is your truth, and
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your feelings are your feelings and whatever they are, no
matter what.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
If you're feeling.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
But people don't realize if your kids said I'm going
to rob a bank.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You wouldn't go. Well, that's how you feel. Here's a pistol.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I think kids have to be molded and guided and
interacted with and coached and parented and loved and engaged
and disciplined and challenged. And that sounds like what you're
telling parents to do. When parents call you as a therapist,
where are they usually in that process?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, oftentimes I actually talk to parents with adult children,
usually who are in their early twenties. So that's difficult
because oftentimes the young adult is no longer living with
the family, But I still give a lot of the
similar advice, and the advice I give is figuring out
how to connect with that with that person and I'm
no longer a child, how to connect with that young
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person and to remain in contact with them because what
they're basically being, what's basically happening to them is they've
been recruited into occult like mentality, and the transactivists have
taught them that their families are the enemy. If they
have questions, or if they believe in truth or they
believe in reality, that they're the enemy. So your job
(14:29):
as a parent is to let them know that no
matter what, you love them, and maybe in fact figure
out what might be the underlying issues. Because as as
you excuse me, as you said earlier, this has a
lot of parallels to alcoholism or eating disorders or other
ways people manifest issues. This is sort of the new
way of cutting, the new way of self harm. So
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there's always something underneath, and your goal, is someone who
loves them and cares about them, is to help them
address those issues.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
When you say parents are calling you parents of adult children,
are these children by this time? Typically when I say child,
I mean the next generation. Some people don't like me
to as word children about somebody that might be thirty.
I don't mean they're a little kid. I mean, yeah,
I am still the child of my parents. I'm one
of their children and I'm fifty three. When you say
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that they are they trying to figure out how to
relate to adult children who've left the home and maybe
that's that's.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Where we are.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, sometimes they've left the home. Sometimes they're still in
the home where they're about to leave the home. So
they're grasping to maintain that relationship. So they're calling me
to figure out what to do. And I got to
be honest at that phase. It's not easy, but there
is there is still hope.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I have a story with a friend of mine. Nobody
listening knows him, so don't worry that you might figure
out who it is. But what they're going and the
torment to his wife over a boy that's transitioning to
a girl is is. I mean, it's very stressful in
their marriage, it's very stressful on their home, and they
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are not equipped to deal with this and they've tried
every approach and this adult child in mid twenties is
just being cruel and tormenting, particularly his mother, and it's
awful to see.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Hold with us.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest. Our website is the
Truthfultherapist dot org. The book is a practical Guide to
gender distress.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And I have almost went to law school of Mars.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
The Michael Barry shown The Politicoltherapist dot Org. The line
that caught my attention. Pamela's mission is to educate parents
on how to avoid therapists who lacks skills or try
to indoctrinate their children. We're talking about boys that want
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to be girls and girls that want to be boys,
and what parents should do. But I will tell you
everything she said so far are, in my opinion, the
same thing you should do for a kid who is
beginning to develop bad behaviors, self harming behaviors with regard
to drugs and violence, and any number of other social
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disorders that all of them some of the same things. Parent,
your kid go into the weeds. Don't be afraid. Engage,
no matter how awkward it gets. Engage.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
One of the things I've seen, Pamela with kids who
go through these phases and by the time they're thirty,
thirty five to forty they come.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Out of it. It's like a plane that looks like
it's crashing. They get it back in the air again.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It is that the kids will say when the parent says, well,
you told us you don't wantus talk to you anymore,
so we didn't, and the kids will say, you weren't
supposed to do that. The kids expected the parents to
love them so much they defy them.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Does that make sense, Yeah, yes, And Transactive is weaponize
that too. I want parents to recognize that that sometimes
that level of tough love is being weaponized. They'll say, oh,
that means that you're abandoning your child and that you
don't love your child, when what you're doing is you're
trying to show your love by that tough love. But
in this case it really backfires because what will happen
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is your child will go into the hands of what
you would call their glitter family, which are really cult
members and cult leaders that will lead them down the
path of permanent sterilization, destroying their bodies, doing very dangerous behaviors,
and engaging with people that do not have the best
interest for your child.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
And in your experience, do you think those people. I
remember this was probably fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
There was an.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Article written based on an undercover investigation and they had
discovered that NAMBLA, which is these grown men who are
pediass and pedophiles and they want to diddle little boys.
And at the NAMBLA convention, they were helping them figure
out careers where they could be around little boys, and
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they were encouraging them to be librarians because you would
have the little boy in the library at the school,
you would be a position of authority. Nobody comes around
the library, you would have them to yourself. And I thought,
this is really really sick. But that means that there
were people who became male librarians for this sole purpose.
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Do you think that these counselors at the schools, do
you think they went in with malintention or they got
caught up in the woke web.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I think most have good intentions. I think most are misguided.
I think that this whole rainbow path has paved a
way for those predators to be there. Like you just described,
But most counselors, they're what they're really doing, and here's
more therapy speak. They're acting out their own issues onto children.
(20:11):
They're trying to put their rescue fantasies onto your child.
So there's probably a part of them that's been harmed
that wasn't accepted, perhaps bullied, or maybe they weren't accepted
by their own parents, so they project that onto your
child and believe that that same thing is happening to
your child, and they do what they think is right,
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But it's a completely different situation. It's not themselves, it's
not what they needed. It's your kid who has the
loving family. So I think that's more of what's happening.
Plus it's coming from top down. We and myself included,
and I've gone against it, have been trained to do this,
to tear the child away from their parents, to believe
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the child over the parents, to immediately affirm a child's
gen under identity and keep that a secret. That's in
the training. So people who trust experts and trust the
people they're elders within their profession and our naives will
go along with it, and their empathy is being weaponized.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I read this about you.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Pamela has experience working in schools in New York City,
San Francisco, and in Silicon Valley, California. She's been a
clinical supervisor for over ten years, overseeing therapists working in
school based programs and in mental health settings. She has
worked in residential and outpatient programs for adults and teens
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who are severely mentally ill. Where are most therapists.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Getting it wrong?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Do they have bad intentions or are they simply employing
techniques that they believe are right, but you argue are not.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well. The profession has really changed since I came up
the ranks. I'm not going to say it was ever
per but there was some sort of gatekeeping where if
you were projecting your own issues, if you hadn't worked
out your own stuff, you had a supervisor or the
agencies that were doing the hiring woid screen those people out.
Whereas now that's being rewarded, and that's also what's being
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taught in the graduate schools. There's also a huge emphasis
on social justice culture and victim mentality, both for the
therapists and also to project that onto the clients. So
if you have a client that's a part of some
kind of minority group, and of course it's LGBT two
plus group is now the big one, they'll look at
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their client as a victim that needs to be protected,
as opposed to looking at the full picture, and that
clouds their perspective, and they're being taught that. If you
look at all the social media of the graduate schools
of the Association's National Association of Social Workers, which I
was once a part of years ago, I would no
longer touch them. They have terrible social justice messages on
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their social media. That's very anti therapeutic, So that's where
it's coming from. But so that's why the little old
Me is trying to speak to people to let them
know what is appropriate therapy.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You are a voice in the wilderness, Pamela. As I
told you, I had this listener who read your book
and sent it to me or so sorry, sent me
a screenshot of it and said, read this and explained why.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And I can't give any more.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Details than that because it was a very personal story
about her family, and I said, I'll do you one better.
I'll put her on the air and reading your website,
The Truthfultheapist dot org. I am grateful there is someone
out there like you doing what you're doing. More with
Pamela Garfield Diager. The book is a Practical Guide to
(23:55):
gender Distress. The website is the Truthful Therapist dot org.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Stay tuned with.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
LaToya kidsrill if I love meets a Michael Berry, that's good,
Fire on Fine Praise Jesus. Truthful Therapist dot org is
the website. The book is a practical Guide to gender Distress.
The author and licensed therapist is Pamela Garfield Jaeger. She
(24:25):
has been a clinical supervisor for over a decade, overseeing
therapists in school based programs and in mental health settings.
She's worked in residential and outpatient programs for adults and
teens who are severely mentally ill. And we're talking about
kids who want to transition or beginning that conversation, and
particularly resources and tools for parents, because you don't want
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to lose your kid, and part of this is a
cult that steals your kid from it. And I would
have called that conspiracy, crazy stuff before I saw it happen.
I'll give you an example, Pamela, and I'm sure you've
seen this a thousand times. So my buddy's wife, my
buddy's wife, their daughter, their son, very heavy set, socially awkward,
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didn't fit in in college, couldn't find a career, kind
of kind of a wastrel, as we would to call it,
not you know, not really sure what to do in life.
And then at some point starts kind of kind of
tinkering with this the way kids used to tinker with
with drugs or alcohol or crime or credit card fraud
(25:35):
or whatever else. And then he he decides he's a girl,
and he moves a few states away and he's playing
his birth father against his birth mother. My buddy's married
to the birth mother, and he gets the birth father
to pay his rent one month and then mom, and
he withholds his connection to them if they.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Don't pay their bills.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
And then he creates these fights with his mother, which
is causing my friend who's married to her a lot
of distress because it upsets her. The mother flies out
to where he is on the East coast and goes
there to meet with him and hug him and get
this resolved, and bangs on the door and he's inside,
and she bangs on the door for hours and he
(26:18):
won't open the door, and she lays sits down back
against the door like a movie scene, bawling until finally
she realizes, after hours and hours of this, she has
to go back to the airport and get back on
the plane and come home, crying the whole time. This
is her child, and just the cruelty. And I'm hearing
this story and seeing this play out again and again.
(26:40):
It's like these rioters at the hamas writers. It says,
if there is a playbook for what to do, and
this is very it angers me. Your thoughts on this situation.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, it just sounds heartbreaking. You feel like a scene
in the movie. There's a scene in that movie with
Leonardo DiCaprio, the Basketball Diaries. It sounds just like that
because the mom had to set a limit because of
his substance abuse. There are very much parallels to this. Yeah,
I mean it's deep for me to just magically say
(27:18):
what would be the right advice for this family. I
honestly couldn't do that without getting to know them. But
clearly this boy young man is acting out things that
he needs to resolve. And the difference between this and
all those other issues that you mentioned is that the institutions,
the professionals are reinforcing it. He's getting his hormones, probably
(27:40):
for free, from planned parenthood. If not, he's getting it
from an actual medical doctor, from his insurance if he
has insurance. So normally you never have a doctor that say, well,
here is your cocaine, have at it. Well here, Now
we have institutions that are giving these hormones to the
young adults, and so it's just heartbreaking. So that's why
(28:03):
we need to sound conspiracy theory. And I think even
if I heard myself talking just five years ago, I
would say I was crazy right now, but that is
what's going on. So people need to be aware that
there is some kind of agenda out there to destroy families,
and unfortunately this family is a victim of that. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
It is heartbreaking, and there's such good people. And you
know what bothers me most is if this woman did
not love her son, this would be easier. It's as
if the love you have for your child is being
turned on you, and it's tragic. And my worst fear
(28:48):
is this child now adult, is manchild who wants to
be a woman take his own life, which as you know,
is a very common ending to this story. And then
the mother has to live with that the rest of
her life, and the guilt and the regret and all
of that.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean, this is awful, yes, And.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
That's being weaponized. The suicide lie has been weaponized. As
you probably know, and many of your listeners might already
know that. Therapists and teachers and slogans across everywhere tell
you that if you don't affirm the person who's identifying
as trans that they will kill themselves. So it's your
fault if you don't go along with their lie. However,
(29:34):
there's no proof of that. And the truth is people
who tend to fall into this transgender lie already have
mental health issues, just like this young man you're describing.
He sounds like he has something a failure to launch,
perhaps he's on the autistic spectrum. Sounds like there's some
family turmoil, and so there's other reasons that are not
(29:57):
being addressed. And he believes, in his mind, because he's
been lied to, that if he becomes a woman, that
will solve all of his problems. And we know that
that's not the case, and he's still going to have problems.
In fact, he's just going to compound them. And now
he doesn't have a connection with the people that truly
love him, which actually makes it worse.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So what do you encourage them to do? Are people
similarly situated.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Well, I mean the mom is doing everything she can.
I mean, once they've gotten into that phase where they're
truly not talking to you, there isn't a whole lot
she can do with her son other than give him
the message that she loves him in all different ways.
And it sounds like that's what she's doing. I recommend
for her to reach out to some parent groups of
their other parents that are going through a similar thing.
(30:46):
They exchange ideas and they can get support from each other.
There's a substack called pit Parents Parents with Inconvenient Truths
about trans and there's some very heart wrenching essay with
parents of similar stories. I bet she would connect with
a lot of parents that have written in those substacks.
(31:08):
There is an organization called Our Duty. I think it's
our Duty dot com or maybe dot us. I'm not
sure if I have the URL correct, but they are
called Our Duty. I know there's a US location and
a Canadian location, so you can look those up. All
of these things that are actually listed in the back
of my book so finding resources. There's also an agency
(31:30):
called Genspect that has some parent groups. So there are
several agencies that are putting together parent groups support for
parents that are going through this. So if they don't
hold that guilt on their own and they recognize it's
not all their fault and then perhaps they can work
on whatever, perhaps the things that are in the family
that could be strengthened so that the person that is
(31:53):
going through the trends can come back to a healthier system.
But it's of course it's not simple.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, our time is. You are a wonderful resource.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Folks can go to the Truthfultherapist dot org and there
is a contact me button, you can email there, you
can buy the book there, there are resources there, there's
a video to watch there about gender transformation and our transition.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Ninety nine percent of our audience will not need your services,
but for that one percent, we might just make a difference,
and that is the goal. Pamela Garfield Jaeger a voice
in the wilderness of sanity and care and reasonableness.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I am grateful for.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
You, and I appreciate you taking the time to do this,
and you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Hast with you. Thank you, and good night.
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