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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The Michael Verie Show is on.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
The air, so our next guest. I think you might
find this very interesting. I've never met him. I didn't
know him. I did not know his name. But I
received a number of emails from listeners, which is how
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we get our best show prep typically, who said, you
need to talk to this guy. He's a whistleblower with
regard to what's going on at Texas Children's Hospital, with
some of the procedures they are doing on children, and
it's very disturbing, and his identity has now been made
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public and it is quite the dramatic story. It's it's
getting a lot of national attention. So I started putting
the word out and it turned out that we knew
people in common. I had no idea, but it turned
out we did, and they were able to track him
down for us and get him on the air. And
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the only we didn't I have not spoken to him yet.
I did ask Ramon when he got him on the line,
how to pronounce his name, which is spelled E I
T H A n Ethan with an extra gratuitous I
ethan and his last name H A I M. Is
as I expected. Heim. It could have been Haim or Heim,
but it's Ethanheim is his name, and he's our guest
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and welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Nice to meet you, sir, Yes, thank you so much
for having me on. And I will just say the
first name is a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
But Aton oh Aton, okay? Is that a Hebrew name?
Am I guessing?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yes, sir? It is? Yeah, And you know the introduction,
I feel honored. That was a It's great.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And what does aton mean?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
You know, it's the Hebrew derivation means strong.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You're proving that to be true.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You know. It's funny because my mom hadn't. Yes, she
had told me that last week.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Are you the the the I am? I assume is
Ashkenese not Saphardi.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, it's a typical Hebrew name, but my family's actually Sphartic.
My grandparents are from Iraq, and you know, we can
trace our history back to you know, Baghdad and Bonser
for hundreds of years.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well as you probably know, UH there it was a
thriving Jewish community in Baghdad that surprises people today, but
it was a thriving center of Jewish culture and UH
commerce for quite some time. Obviously, that's uh, that's sadly
no longer the case, a ton. Let's talk about why
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you have become a national story over the last week.
What what? What? Why don't you take your time? We're
going to devote as much time as we need to
this interview because I think this is important. Why don't
you take your time and explain? And I will only
interrupt you as our clock requires, because we do have
to stop and start at commercial breaks. So why don't
you get us started with how you ended up at
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Texas Children to be the whistleblower.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, of course. And you know, and if there's any
point where you have any questions during this story, just
let me know, because I know sometimes the medical side
of it, like the in terms of training and all
that can be a little confusing. But you know, my
name is Aton Him. You know, I grew up in Florida,
you know, had a great family, very close with all
of them, and once medical school in Florida, I ended
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up in Houston. Because after you finish medical school, you
go into residency. So after medical school, you become a doctor,
but you your residency is where you train in specialty.
So for some people's medicine, some people it's neurosurgery. For me,
it's general surgery. And that's a five year period of time.
And I was accepted into the Baylor College of Medicine
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General Surgery program, which is one of the best in
the country and the training is phenomenal, and the program
is affiliated with a number of different hospitals including Saint
Luke's which is a big tertiary care center, Gray Hospital,
the mike Lea, the Bakery VA, the County Hospital Bentom,
you know, top trauma hospital in the country, and then
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ty Children's Hospital.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Let me interrupt you, Gayton, for our listeners outside of Houston,
because Houstonians know this to be true. We're not just
talking about the elite hospitals in the greater Houston area.
These hospitals are on par internationally. There are people When
I go to the mediciner in Houston, you see sheikhs there,
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you see billionaires from Saudi Arabiae, you see King's and Queen's.
I mean, we're talking about the finest institutions, the most respected,
prestigious institutions in the world. So you had to have
a pretty impressive, uh, a pretty impressive resume and application
to end up there. All right, so you've landed this
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great opportunity as a as a young doctor to be
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, and you know, so I started my training in
twenty eighteen, and it was amazing because you know, I
came from I didn't go to prosceidure schools before that,
you know, I went to state schools and it was
so it was amazing to be at such an amazing
program with these titans of surgery, because that's who these
people are. These people write the guidelines, they teach people
from across the world how to perform these really complex surgeries. So,
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you know, things had started to change really in twenty
twenty with COVID, where you see this complete reversal of
the principles of medicine and surgery where you have these
guiding principles like do no harm and formed consent where
you really focus on making sure or the family is
there with the patient. During that time, I had seen
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so many things that had absolutely shocked me that it
was kind of one of those life changing moments and
just takes a long time to really understand what's happening.
And I saw so many bad things happen because doctors
had refused to speak up because they had refused to
challenge the narratives that were coming from our government and
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the medical institutions. And there's a certain guilt you feel
with that because you're a doctor, you have a responsibility
to the patients. You took an oath and I take
that seriously. So after going through COVID, everything had changed.
I knew that if you have the opportunity to do something,
you have the opportunity to speak out, and if you
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see something going wrong, it's your responsibility, and that if
you don't do that, then you'll never be able to
live with yourself because you know, seeing what happened during
twenty twenty twenty twenty one, you know, I knew that
I couldn't do that again and stay silent. But we
spent a lot of time working at Texas Children's Hospital,
and towards the end of COVID that the whole idea
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of these transgender interventions on children had really entered the
public conscience where you had stories coming from these major
institutions talking about, you know, gender affirming mestectomies and hysterectomies.
But this was on fifteen, sixteen seventeen year old kids,
and it takes a while to really comprehend that that's
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actually happening. But then once you see a video of
these bubbly young doctors talking about taking off these young
girl's breasts and their uteruses, it's, you know, it becomes
very real and you definitely, you know, you imagine it's
happening in California, New York, maybe you know Washington, Oregon,
but you never think it's happening in Texas.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Of course, not not at Texas children, not in Houston.
A's on hold, just a moment, and folks, to put
this into perspective, if if you google his name, this guy,
this story is getting a lot of national attention. The
headline in the Daily Wire was a doctor that's our guest,
A doctor blew the whistle on his hospital's transgender clinic.
Now the Feds are trying to ruin his life. More
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with him, Ramond, have you tried that? Asked? We both
laughed so hard. Show it's kind of embarrassing. Actually he's
an idiot too. Aton him is our guest. Daily Wire
had I think the best headline on the matter. But
everybody's covering he has been Fox News, you everybody. The
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headline was a doctor blew the whistle on his hospital's
transgender clinic. Now the Feds are trying to ruin his life.
The whistleblower who exposed shocking surgeries at the country's largest
children's hospital comes forward, and then I'll read you the
opening of the article. June twenty third, twenty twenty three,
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was supposed to be one of the best days of
aton Heim's life. His family was visiting for his graduation
from his medical residency and the official start of his
career as a general surgeon. It was the quote single
greatest accomplishment end quote of his life, he says, and
graduation quote was a big deal for him. But then
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there was a loud not on him's apartment door. It
wasn't flowers or balloons, but rather agents from the Department
of Health and Human Services alerting him that he was
the target of a criminal investigation. He says. They show
me their badges and they say they were investigating a
case regarding medical records. It was one of those moments
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where time stands still. So Aton, we're going to go
back to some of the stuff you talked about earlier,
but take me to that day and why you're in
the news. What happened.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
And so that day being the day of my graduation, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, the day the day of the knock on the door.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know, So my wife and I are getting ready
for the ceremonial layer that night. You know, my family's
in town. It's you know, and they come from Florest,
so they haven't been able to come to Texas very often.
So it's like a you know, a really really big
day and you know, we're just getting ready and then
all of a sudden, you just hear this knock, and
you know, I shuffle over. I'm like, man, like, who
is this? Because just didn't expect someone to be knocking
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on my door. And I open it. These sees two
guys out there, and you're like, you know, who are they?
And they'd stay. They are these agents with Health and
Human Services showing their badges and they're investigating this case.
And you know, you you freak out in a moment,
right and because you don't know what to do, and
you know exactly what it's about, but your brain just
kind of shuts down and you start making dumb decisions
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and you know the awkwardness of the doorway. You know,
I felt like I had to get out of that situation,
so I didn't fight them in. So we sit down,
you know, exchange some small talk and you know, my
wife was getting ready at the time. She finishes and
comes out and she sits down, and then you know,
we both look at each other and then we go
back to our bedroom, and you know, we both knew
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that it wasn't a good idea to speak with them,
So we go back out. We just tell them that
we wouldn't speak with them with that an attorney president.
They say, okay, but they hand me a target letter
and this is a piece of paper that stated that
I was a potential target of a criminal investigation and
it was signed by an assistant US attorney in the
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Southern District of Texas. And then a minute later the
door closes. My wife and I look at each other
and we knew at that moment that you know, the
rest of our lives wouldn't be different, that it would
never be the same. So we get on the phone
with the Christian Rufo. And if there's one thing that
your listeners should know, it's that this guy Christi Rufo
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is the real deal. I mean, he's, you know, an
amazing journalist but as a person just you know, unbelievable
at a.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Great American patriot. Let me interrupt you for a second.
For folks, some of you may be wondering, why do
you know the name Christopher Rufo. Chris Rufo is the
one who led the charge against the plagiarizing president of
Harvard University. He is the one who exposed that. He
is the one who's been coming to Texas and working
on school choice. He has been at the forefront of
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a number of he's an independent journalist. I support him
on substack, and I encourage you too as well. I
just wanted to put that into perspective. Aton go ahead, no.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Man, yep. Yeah. So we are on the phone and
we tell him what happened. Then he said, all right,
I'm going to clear my day. I'm going to get
back to you. So we hang up the phone. Ten
to fifteen minutes later, he sent us a number and
it's from a to an attorney. Her name is Marcella
Burke and she's based in Houston. And this is I mean,
an amazing person. She is with a partner at this
big law firm, making you a bunch of money, like
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partner level money at a big law firm, but she
had left because she didn't want to put pronouns in
her bike. And then she led this exodus of other
conservative lawyers to start her own firm only a few
months before. So Ruffo had known her because she was
she's in the circle of influential conservatives, right, and she's
a fighter, she's a bulldog, and she puts us in
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contact with her. We give her a call and you know,
we tell her the situation. She's like, all right, well,
we'll make it happen. And it was amazing because we
knew that she understood this was more as much political
as it was legal. I mean, really, it's all political,
zero illegal, because nothing we had done had violated any law,
and in actuality, the conduct that we had exposed was
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voted to become illegal within twenty four hours. But that's
beside the point. So we get off the get we
have fun with Marcella, and then you know, my wife
and I are looking at each other and you know,
we think, well, what a we're going to do now, right,
And we thought it accounts one of those forks in
the road where it's either you know, you been the knee,
you submit to these people or you decide to fight,
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and it was so unbelievably shocking. You know, you hear
about political tyranny in other countries, you know, I read
about growing up, and it's different when you see it
come to your door and it becomes real because they
knew what that was graduating a few hours, They knew
my family was in town, they knew how much that
day meant me. But they did it for that specific reason.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I didn't even think about that that they the whistle blower.
The whistle blower complaint against you was filed, I read
I think a month earlier, So choosing the day of
your graduation was intended to There's no doubt that's not
a coincidence. It was intended to intimidate.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
But also the speed at which they mobilized the federal
and legal resources in order to go from the complaint
to showing up at my door is phenomenally quick. Given
the fact that AHHS isn't notoriously sclerotics moving organization, goes
to show that this was a primary priority of that
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agency in order to silence me as a whistleblower, to
get the agents to do, you know whatever investigation, to
assign an a USA to figure out whatever legal strategy
they had, you know, as non existent as they may be,
and then figure out what I'm graduating, find out what
time to show up, and then show up is so
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when they want to target their political opponents or someone
who tells truth, you know, the federal government can start
responding very quickly. But you know, we were at that
forkin road, and we knew we would never kneel. I
would never kneel to this evil ideology to these people
who wanted to destroy my life, who wanted to silence
people who spoke the truth. And we know it was
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because I spoke the truth that these people had showed
up to my door.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And hold on, I want to stop you just to
make sure everybody understands when you say spoke the truth.
I've got about a minute left in this segment. What
you mean is you revealed that Texas Children's Hospital was
running a clinic that they said they weren't, where they
were changing boys into girls and girls into boys, right.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Exactly, So they were not only running the clinic, they
were lying about it because in March of twenty twenty two,
they said they shut down the program because of the
legal rig and that was completely untrue. The reason I
know that is because I worked there. I knew the
people who did the procedures. They had told me.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Michael Berry wouldn't change it back in the system back
two modern dy Robin.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Hood General Surgeon Aton Haim is speaking out against people
who performed transgender procedures on minors.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
These doctors believe they can become gods and create something new.
It's not a doctor's job to harm people, even if
the person wants it harm.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
He says, that's often permanent.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
They have to give up something that they have no
concept of understanding, which is the potential laws of having
a family in the future.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Texas Children's Hospital, where doctor Ham worked, announced they were
stopping their transgender procedures, prompting the resignation of doctor Catherine Gordon,
a staunch proponent. However, Ham said he discovered the procedures
were still taking place.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
There were a few residents who I knew, who said
that they had just finished implanting a Purie blocking device
in eleven twelve thirteen year old kid who believed they
were a transgender, who had all these psychiatric issues which
were being unaddressed.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Ham gave documents possibly redacted patient records to reporter Chris
Rufo to prove the treatments were still going on.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
The largest children's hospital in the world was lying about
a program that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing young, confused
adolescent children.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
As Onheim as our guest, and you at the end
of the last segment said, the reason you became a
whistleblower of what was going on at Texas Children's Hospital,
which is why the FEDS have now one of the
Feds are now trying to destroy you, by all accounts,
is that what they were doing in this clinic. We
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do know that Texas Children's Hospital was denying that they
had this clinic. They claimed that they'd closed it down
in twenty twenty two because there was too much liability,
too much risk, too much pushback, these gender reassignments that
they're doing on children. It is Texas Children's Hospital after all,
and full disclosure, my children have been patients there and
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it's some of the best doctors in the world. I mean,
you would have been honored to be a doctor there.
But when you said that these people know that what
they're doing is wrong, explain what you mean.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
By that and you know I before that toy greet too.
I mean because Texas Children's really is one of the
most amazing hospitals in the world. People who work there
are phenomenal. You have some of the best surgeons, the
best nurses in the world, and you have this fringe
element who have been captured by something very bad. But
what I mean specifically when I say that is that
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they knew what they were doing is wrong. It goes
to an underlying principle of medicine. Whatever you do as
a doctor, you should never be worried about having the
public know what you're doing. You should never not want
to explain yourself to the public. If you do have
a doctor, like a doctor a surgeon, who's unwilling to
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make what they're doing known to the public, it's likely
that what they're doing is very, very wrong. And that's
exactly what was happening in this situation. So they were
concealing the existence of this program to the public, while
behind closed doors they were elevating it to the highest levels.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Once I hold on, when you said they were concealing
it and they knew it was wrong, do you believe
that what they were doing was illegal?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, I do in my opinion, absolutely, because there's there's
no there's no evidence of support, there's no logical reasoning
to support it, because what they're doing is there. You know,
they diagnose it as a psychological problem, but using physiological
solutions medications, hormones, preview blockers, surgery to fix it.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Let's talk about those. I mean, some people are going
to be very bothered by this, but I think it's
important to understand where rubber beats the road. So when
you talked about medicines or chemicals, we're talking about, for instance.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Chemical castration, right, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And using clinical terms chemical castration. If you take a
little boy and this little boy at this age thinks
that he wants to be Superman, or he wants to
play Cops and robbers, or this day he decides he
doesn't want to have the male anatomy, how exactly does
the chemical castration work?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, you know, I think the most important thing is
is really explaining these things in the most simple terms possible.
And whenever I take care of my patients, I always
think it's important for people to understand in layman's terms
what this really means and what's the pubery blockers do
over a prolonged period of time. When children take them is,
it prevents the development of the secondary sexual characteristics that
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occur through the progression of purity. So because of that,
they there are a very very high risk that these
children become sterile, that they're unable to have children. So
to put that in very simple terms, if you have
a child who did not go through puberty because they
were on the blockers, they will have a micro penis.
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It will be they won't undergo the hormonal development that
is necessary in order to have it developed into the
size that is typical for an adult. And because of
that and other processes that don't develop, these children can
become sterile, very high risk of that. So let's also
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when the hormones too.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Aytime we're talking about the male. We'll get to the
female in a moment. You hear these horror stories about
teenage girls and they take a lump out of their
leg to fashion some sort of a club and call
that a penis. I mean, it's very disturbing stuff because
these are kids. This is irreparable. But when you talk
about these puberty blockers, let's talk about the boys for
a moment, and how young are we talking about cases
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that you saw where boys were on the puberty.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Blocker children as young as eleven, twelve, thirteen years old?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Wow, so we're talking about not even in middle school yet.
We're talking fourth and fifth grade exactly. And the parents
presumably are aware because they've brought them in. And a
lot of times we find that these parents are themselves
nuts because you'll have one parent that has multiple kids
like this, so you end up the parents are oft
an activist and complete nut jobs. But so the parents
are aware of what's going on during this, yes, yeah,
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And so in addition to the reproductive organ and how
that's changing and will never be the same, and they
will be sterile, so they'll never be able to reproduce,
which could be psychologically damaging to someone. In addition to that,
the hormones also change your body development, so girls grow
hair and boys don't. And talk a little bit about
what that does, you know, we just assume that boys
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or boys and girls and girls, and we ended up
this way. But if you'd been put on a puberty blocker,
how would that change who you are?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
You say, you're eleven, twelve, thirteen years old and you're
put on these blogers. As you age, you know, you've
become fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old, and all your peers
go through purity and develop in a different physical way.
What will happen to these children is they will not
undergo that development, so they will physically look different than
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everyone else, further isolating them from the people around them,
putting them on a road that they will never be
able to come back from. And that's one of the
saddest things about this whole situation, is because you have
these kids committed to a past that they can never
come back from at a time when they at least
understand the consequences of their actions.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Right, and then they're going to be looking around as
And we've seen so many of these cases where a
child who wants to be Batman on Monday and Spider
Man on Tuesday and a fairy princess on Wednesday. When
they get older, they're very angry. Now you talk about
some severe psychiatric problems over the fact that they've been
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altered as to We've had guests on our show who've
gone through this, and it breaks my heart for them.
And people commit suicide over this. They commit suicide over
having been altered into someone or something that they're.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Not, and you know, and instead of telling these kids,
you know, their perfect as the way they are, that
going through purity is hardened, but those challenges will make
them stronger, will make them better, and that the lessons
they learned from those challenges is what they will take
into their adulthood. Like that's what we all had when
we were children, and it was those things that that
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gave us the strength to make it through tough times
in the future. And what they're doing is taking that
away from these kids. And it's so wrong because.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Right there we're going to talk more to aton Heim,
the whistleblower in this massive case that's just just hit
the news. Coming up. Aton Heim is our guest, and
I'll just read you the Daily Wire headline. A doctor
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blew the whistle on his hospital's transgender clinic. Now the
Feds are trying to ruin his life. The whistleblower who
exposed shocking surgeries at the country's largest children's high hospital
comes forward. That children's hospital is Texas Children's Hospital, the
prestigious hospital in Houston, Texas. Ayton him was a doctor
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there and he blew the whistle on the fact that
they were making boys and the girls and girls into boys,
and we're talking about children, he says, is who did this?
When we talk about you, as they talk about you
being an anonymous whistle blower, how did you do that?
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How did you go about saying, hey, guys, this is
what's going on over here, y'all need to know this
is a bad thing. If you see something, say something.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
You know, it's an interesting story, because there was There
was at one point when I saw that the Grand
Round Lectures, you know, this very prestigious lecture series in
the hospital, and it was given by the directors of
the transgender program, which supposedly did not exist according to
the public. And understanding the extent of this deception, I
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knew I had to do something about it because it's
my responsibility as a surgeon and a moral responsibility as
an individual. So I knew that I couldn't go to
the hospital because they had been the ones complicit in
the conduct. So I had began reaching out to journalists
during that time, and for five months it was just failure. Right.
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I would just reach out to people, might you know,
might express some interest, but you know, people would look
at me like, you know, like you know, who's who's
this guy? Like, uh, you know, even only you know
all these times and and so it was. It was.
It was just a bunch of uh, you know, dead ends.
I would That's the best way I would put it.
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But then I finally got hold of Chris Rufo in
mid May, and the timing couldn't have been more perfect
because I didn't know this at the time, but the
Texas Senate was voting on a bill s B fourteen.
This was going to be the law that would ban
these hormone related interventions for children who believe they have
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are who believe their transgender. So he knew that it
was important to get the story out, so he verified
who I am. You know. We get the story out
on May sixteenth, twenty twenty three, which shows that Text
Children's is lying to the public about the existence of
their program, and that first day goes all over the news,
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big story, but it did exactly what we thought it would.
The very next day, the conduct we had exposed, right
doing these interventions on children was voted to become illegal
in the state of Texas in a bill that was
passed with bipartisan support. And we were told that partly
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it's because our story came out the day before that.
There were multiple Democrats who vote in favor of it, because,
you know, they didn't believe this kind of thing was
happening in their districts, but now they knew. Now they
knew it wasn't some theoretical thing you see on the news,
but it was something that was that was true, that
was actually happening right down their street. So then more
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whistleblowers come out, you know, or the A couple of
days later, another whistleblower comes out to tell their story
about working with these doctors and how he was horrifying
to see these kids being put on these medications in
these blockers so quick after such short clinic visits. And
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then the Texas Turnian General announces an investigation into the hospital,
and then, you know, for the second time in fourteen months,
the CEO of the hospital says that he's shutting down
the program because of the passage of the law. So
at the end of that, you know, I'm still anonymous,
but I'm thinking, you know, we succeeded and it couldn't
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have couldn't have worked out better.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The Daily Wire story notes that Texas Attorney General Ken
Paxton had issued an opinion stating that performing sex change
procedures on minors was child abuse, and it says hospital
where he was a surgical restaurant resident. This talking about you.
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Texas Children's Hospital stated unequivocally after Paxton's opinion in March
of twenty twenty two that it was halting its so
called gender affirming services, which are sex change procedures. And
in their statement they say Texas Children's Hospital paused hormone
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related prescription therapies for gender affirming services. This step was
taken to safeguard our healthcare professionals and impacted families from
potential criminal legal ramifications. They said that in March of
twenty twenty two. But you were a surgeon on staff
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as a resident there or as a resident there, and
you knew they were lying, and that's what you gave
the information for the story to be written about. As
a result, at they go to the FEDS to try
to take you down, right.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
And you know, just something to note that a few
three days after that statement, they put peevy blockers into
a pre pew resent girl. Right, So there was nothing
more unequivocal than that statement. But it goes to show
how blatant this was that they gave that statement three
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days later they're still doing it, and then only ramped
up from there.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Now here is the part where this gets very interesting.
I read another article. I don't remember the source. I
don't think it's important. You're here so we can But
I read a statement that you had made to somebody
that the reason they do this is not necessarily ideological,
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but it is financial. That there is a lot of
money involved with this. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
You know, well, I wouldn't. I will actually say more
so the former than the latter. It is. Yeah, I
think I think it's I think there is a financial component,
of course, and I think that's how you get some
of these squashy people who don't necessarily agree with it,
but they're willing to go along with it because they
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know it's going to make them a lot of money.
But I think that something like this cannot be on
such a large scale unless you have people who are
committed to it ideologically. And I truly believe that's the
only way you could do this to a child is
if you know within your bones, you believe that somehow
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you're doing the right thing, despite the fact that you're
destroying these kid lives, and so I think, yes, I
would say it's more ideological than.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Financial when obviously you're a young guy and as a doctor,
you're very young, but you are very clear that doing
sex changes on little kids is a terrible thing and
it's going to harm its child abuse as as impacts
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on this that I don't know if you use that term.
We're up against the break hold type. Justin bon when
we're talking to Aton, him the whistleblower against Texas Children's Hospital,
says they're still doing uh, sex changes on kids even
after the law said they can't, and they said they're not,
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But the Feds are trying to destroy his life because
he saw something and said something coming up.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
You know, I would say that. I'm not sure if
they continued after they said they had stopped as fair
enough
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The Michael Verie Show is on.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
The air, so our next guest. I think you might
find this very interesting. I've never met him. I didn't
know him. I did not know his name. But I
received a number of emails from listeners, which is how
(00:33):
we get our best show prep typically, who said, you
need to talk to this guy. He's a whistleblower with
regard to what's going on at Texas Children's Hospital, with
some of the procedures they are doing on children, and
it's very disturbing, and his identity has now been made
(00:54):
public and it is quite the dramatic story. It's it's
getting a lot of national attention. So I started putting
the word out and it turned out that we knew
people in common. I had no idea, but it turned
out we did, and they were able to track him
down for us and get him on the air. And
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the only we didn't I have not spoken to him yet.
I did ask Ramon when he got him on the line,
how to pronounce his name, which is spelled E I
T H A n Ethan with an extra gratuitous I
ethan and his last name H A I M. Is
as I expected. Heim. It could have been Haim or Heim,
but it's Ethanheim is his name, and he's our guest
(01:36):
and welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Nice to meet you, sir, Yes, thank you so much
for having me on. And I will just say the
first name is a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
But Aton oh Aton, okay? Is that a Hebrew name?
Am I guessing?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yes, sir? It is? Yeah, And you know the introduction,
I feel honored. That was a It's great.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And what does aton mean?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
You know, it's the Hebrew derivation means strong.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You're proving that to be true.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You know. It's funny because my mom hadn't. Yes, she
had told me that last week.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Are you the the the I am? I assume is
Ashkenese not Saphardi.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, it's a typical Hebrew name, but my family's actually Sphartic.
My grandparents are from Iraq, and you know, we can
trace our history back to you know, Baghdad and Bonser
for hundreds of years.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well as you probably know, UH there it was a
thriving Jewish community in Baghdad that surprises people today, but
it was a thriving center of Jewish culture and UH
commerce for quite some time. Obviously, that's uh, that's sadly
no longer the case, a ton. Let's talk about why
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you have become a national story over the last week.
What what? What? Why don't you take your time? We're
going to devote as much time as we need to
this interview because I think this is important. Why don't
you take your time and explain? And I will only
interrupt you as our clock requires, because we do have
to stop and start at commercial breaks. So why don't
you get us started with how you ended up at
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Texas Children to be the whistleblower.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, of course. And you know, and if there's any
point where you have any questions during this story, just
let me know, because I know sometimes the medical side
of it, like the in terms of training and all
that can be a little confusing. But you know, my
name is Aton Him. You know, I grew up in Florida,
you know, had a great family, very close with all
of them, and once medical school in Florida, I ended
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up in Houston. Because after you finish medical school, you
go into residency. So after medical school, you become a doctor,
but you your residency is where you train in specialty.
So for some people's medicine, some people it's neurosurgery. For me,
it's general surgery. And that's a five year period of time.
And I was accepted into the Baylor College of Medicine
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General Surgery program, which is one of the best in
the country and the training is phenomenal, and the program
is affiliated with a number of different hospitals including Saint
Luke's which is a big tertiary care center, Gray Hospital,
the mike Lea, the Bakery VA, the County Hospital Bentom,
you know, top trauma hospital in the country, and then
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ty Children's Hospital.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Let me interrupt you, Gayton, for our listeners outside of Houston,
because Houstonians know this to be true. We're not just
talking about the elite hospitals in the greater Houston area.
These hospitals are on par internationally. There are people When
I go to the mediciner in Houston, you see sheikhs there,
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you see billionaires from Saudi Arabiae, you see King's and Queen's.
I mean, we're talking about the finest institutions, the most respected,
prestigious institutions in the world. So you had to have
a pretty impressive, uh, a pretty impressive resume and application
to end up there. All right, so you've landed this
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great opportunity as a as a young doctor to be
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, and you know, so I started my training in
twenty eighteen, and it was amazing because you know, I
came from I didn't go to prosceidure schools before that,
you know, I went to state schools and it was
so it was amazing to be at such an amazing
program with these titans of surgery, because that's who these
people are. These people write the guidelines, they teach people
from across the world how to perform these really complex surgeries. So,
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you know, things had started to change really in twenty
twenty with COVID, where you see this complete reversal of
the principles of medicine and surgery where you have these
guiding principles like do no harm and formed consent where
you really focus on making sure or the family is
there with the patient. During that time, I had seen
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so many things that had absolutely shocked me that it
was kind of one of those life changing moments and
just takes a long time to really understand what's happening.
And I saw so many bad things happen because doctors
had refused to speak up because they had refused to
challenge the narratives that were coming from our government and
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the medical institutions. And there's a certain guilt you feel
with that because you're a doctor, you have a responsibility
to the patients. You took an oath and I take
that seriously. So after going through COVID, everything had changed.
I knew that if you have the opportunity to do something,
you have the opportunity to speak out, and if you
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see something going wrong, it's your responsibility, and that if
you don't do that, then you'll never be able to
live with yourself because you know, seeing what happened during
twenty twenty twenty twenty one, you know, I knew that
I couldn't do that again and stay silent. But we
spent a lot of time working at Texas Children's Hospital,
and towards the end of COVID that the whole idea
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of these transgender interventions on children had really entered the
public conscience where you had stories coming from these major
institutions talking about, you know, gender affirming mestectomies and hysterectomies.
But this was on fifteen, sixteen seventeen year old kids,
and it takes a while to really comprehend that that's
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actually happening. But then once you see a video of
these bubbly young doctors talking about taking off these young
girl's breasts and their uteruses, it's, you know, it becomes
very real and you definitely, you know, you imagine it's
happening in California, New York, maybe you know Washington, Oregon,
but you never think it's happening in Texas.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Of course, not not at Texas children, not in Houston.
A's on hold, just a moment, and folks, to put
this into perspective, if if you google his name, this guy,
this story is getting a lot of national attention. The
headline in the Daily Wire was a doctor that's our guest,
A doctor blew the whistle on his hospital's transgender clinic.
Now the Feds are trying to ruin his life. More
(08:17):
with him, Ramond, have you tried that? Asked? We both
laughed so hard. Show it's kind of embarrassing. Actually he's
an idiot too. Aton him is our guest. Daily Wire
had I think the best headline on the matter. But
everybody's covering he has been Fox News, you everybody. The
(08:40):
headline was a doctor blew the whistle on his hospital's
transgender clinic. Now the Feds are trying to ruin his life.
The whistleblower who exposed shocking surgeries at the country's largest
children's hospital comes forward, and then I'll read you the
opening of the article. June twenty third, twenty twenty three,
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was supposed to be one of the best days of
aton Heim's life. His family was visiting for his graduation
from his medical residency and the official start of his
career as a general surgeon. It was the quote single
greatest accomplishment end quote of his life, he says, and
graduation quote was a big deal for him. But then
(09:25):
there was a loud not on him's apartment door. It
wasn't flowers or balloons, but rather agents from the Department
of Health and Human Services alerting him that he was
the target of a criminal investigation. He says. They show
me their badges and they say they were investigating a
case regarding medical records. It was one of those moments
(09:50):
where time stands still. So Aton, we're going to go
back to some of the stuff you talked about earlier,
but take me to that day and why you're in
the news. What happened.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
And so that day being the day of my graduation, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, the day the day of the knock on the door.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know, So my wife and I are getting ready
for the ceremonial layer that night. You know, my family's
in town. It's you know, and they come from Florest,
so they haven't been able to come to Texas very often.
So it's like a you know, a really really big
day and you know, we're just getting ready and then
all of a sudden, you just hear this knock, and
you know, I shuffle over. I'm like, man, like, who
is this? Because just didn't expect someone to be knocking
(10:30):
on my door. And I open it. These sees two
guys out there, and you're like, you know, who are they?
And they'd stay. They are these agents with Health and
Human Services showing their badges and they're investigating this case.
And you know, you you freak out in a moment,
right and because you don't know what to do, and
you know exactly what it's about, but your brain just
kind of shuts down and you start making dumb decisions
(10:50):
and you know the awkwardness of the doorway. You know,
I felt like I had to get out of that situation,
so I didn't fight them in. So we sit down,
you know, exchange some small talk and you know, my
wife was getting ready at the time. She finishes and
comes out and she sits down, and then you know,
we both look at each other and then we go
back to our bedroom, and you know, we both knew
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that it wasn't a good idea to speak with them,
So we go back out. We just tell them that
we wouldn't speak with them with that an attorney president.
They say, okay, but they hand me a target letter
and this is a piece of paper that stated that
I was a potential target of a criminal investigation and
it was signed by an assistant US attorney in the
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Southern District of Texas. And then a minute later the
door closes. My wife and I look at each other
and we knew at that moment that you know, the
rest of our lives wouldn't be different, that it would
never be the same. So we get on the phone
with the Christian Rufo. And if there's one thing that
your listeners should know, it's that this guy Christi Rufo
(11:53):
is the real deal. I mean, he's, you know, an
amazing journalist but as a person just you know, unbelievable
at a.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Great American patriot. Let me interrupt you for a second.
For folks, some of you may be wondering, why do
you know the name Christopher Rufo. Chris Rufo is the
one who led the charge against the plagiarizing president of
Harvard University. He is the one who exposed that. He
is the one who's been coming to Texas and working
on school choice. He has been at the forefront of
(12:24):
a number of he's an independent journalist. I support him
on substack, and I encourage you too as well. I
just wanted to put that into perspective. Aton go ahead, no.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Man, yep. Yeah. So we are on the phone and
we tell him what happened. Then he said, all right,
I'm going to clear my day. I'm going to get
back to you. So we hang up the phone. Ten
to fifteen minutes later, he sent us a number and
it's from a to an attorney. Her name is Marcella
Burke and she's based in Houston. And this is I mean,
an amazing person. She is with a partner at this
big law firm, making you a bunch of money, like
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partner level money at a big law firm, but she
had left because she didn't want to put pronouns in
her bike. And then she led this exodus of other
conservative lawyers to start her own firm only a few
months before. So Ruffo had known her because she was
she's in the circle of influential conservatives, right, and she's
a fighter, she's a bulldog, and she puts us in
(13:17):
contact with her. We give her a call and you know,
we tell her the situation. She's like, all right, well,
we'll make it happen. And it was amazing because we
knew that she understood this was more as much political
as it was legal. I mean, really, it's all political,
zero illegal, because nothing we had done had violated any law,
and in actuality, the conduct that we had exposed was
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voted to become illegal within twenty four hours. But that's
beside the point. So we get off the get we
have fun with Marcella, and then you know, my wife
and I are looking at each other and you know,
we think, well, what a we're going to do now, right,
And we thought it accounts one of those forks in
the road where it's either you know, you been the knee,
you submit to these people or you decide to fight,
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and it was so unbelievably shocking. You know, you hear
about political tyranny in other countries, you know, I read
about growing up, and it's different when you see it
come to your door and it becomes real because they
knew what that was graduating a few hours, They knew
my family was in town, they knew how much that
day meant me. But they did it for that specific reason.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I didn't even think about that that they the whistle blower.
The whistle blower complaint against you was filed, I read
I think a month earlier, So choosing the day of
your graduation was intended to There's no doubt that's not
a coincidence. It was intended to intimidate.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
But also the speed at which they mobilized the federal
and legal resources in order to go from the complaint
to showing up at my door is phenomenally quick. Given
the fact that AHHS isn't notoriously sclerotics moving organization, goes
to show that this was a primary priority of that
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agency in order to silence me as a whistleblower, to
get the agents to do, you know whatever investigation, to
assign an a USA to figure out whatever legal strategy
they had, you know, as non existent as they may be,
and then figure out what I'm graduating, find out what
time to show up, and then show up is so
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when they want to target their political opponents or someone
who tells truth, you know, the federal government can start
responding very quickly. But you know, we were at that
forkin road, and we knew we would never kneel. I
would never kneel to this evil ideology to these people
who wanted to destroy my life, who wanted to silence
people who spoke the truth. And we know it was
(15:47):
because I spoke the truth that these people had showed
up to my door.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And hold on, I want to stop you just to
make sure everybody understands when you say spoke the truth.
I've got about a minute left in this segment. What
you mean is you revealed that Texas Children's Hospital was
running a clinic that they said they weren't, where they
were changing boys into girls and girls into boys, right.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Exactly, So they were not only running the clinic, they
were lying about it because in March of twenty twenty two,
they said they shut down the program because of the
legal rig and that was completely untrue. The reason I
know that is because I worked there. I knew the
people who did the procedures. They had told me.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Michael Berry wouldn't change it back in the system back
two modern dy Robin.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Hood General Surgeon Aton Haim is speaking out against people
who performed transgender procedures on minors.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
These doctors believe they can become gods and create something new.
It's not a doctor's job to harm people, even if
the person wants it harm.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
He says, that's often permanent.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
They have to give up something that they have no
concept of understanding, which is the potential laws of having
a family in the future.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Texas Children's Hospital, where doctor Ham worked, announced they were
stopping their transgender procedures, prompting the resignation of doctor Catherine Gordon,
a staunch proponent. However, Ham said he discovered the procedures
were still taking place.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
There were a few residents who I knew, who said
that they had just finished implanting a Purie blocking device
in eleven twelve thirteen year old kid who believed they
were a transgender, who had all these psychiatric issues which
were being unaddressed.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Ham gave documents possibly redacted patient records to reporter Chris
Rufo to prove the treatments were still going on.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
The largest children's hospital in the world was lying about
a program that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing young, confused
adolescent children.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
As Onheim as our guest, and you at the end
of the last segment said, the reason you became a
whistleblower of what was going on at Texas Children's Hospital,
which is why the FEDS have now one of the
Feds are now trying to destroy you, by all accounts,
is that what they were doing in this clinic. We
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do know that Texas Children's Hospital was denying that they
had this clinic. They claimed that they'd closed it down
in twenty twenty two because there was too much liability,
too much risk, too much pushback, these gender reassignments that
they're doing on children. It is Texas Children's Hospital after all,
and full disclosure, my children have been patients there and
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it's some of the best doctors in the world. I mean,
you would have been honored to be a doctor there.
But when you said that these people know that what
they're doing is wrong, explain what you mean.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
By that and you know I before that toy greet too.
I mean because Texas Children's really is one of the
most amazing hospitals in the world. People who work there
are phenomenal. You have some of the best surgeons, the
best nurses in the world, and you have this fringe
element who have been captured by something very bad. But
what I mean specifically when I say that is that
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they knew what they were doing is wrong. It goes
to an underlying principle of medicine. Whatever you do as
a doctor, you should never be worried about having the
public know what you're doing. You should never not want
to explain yourself to the public. If you do have
a doctor, like a doctor a surgeon, who's unwilling to
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make what they're doing known to the public, it's likely
that what they're doing is very, very wrong. And that's
exactly what was happening in this situation. So they were
concealing the existence of this program to the public, while
behind closed doors they were elevating it to the highest levels.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Once I hold on, when you said they were concealing
it and they knew it was wrong, do you believe
that what they were doing was illegal?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, I do in my opinion, absolutely, because there's there's
no there's no evidence of support, there's no logical reasoning
to support it, because what they're doing is there. You know,
they diagnose it as a psychological problem, but using physiological
solutions medications, hormones, preview blockers, surgery to fix it.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Let's talk about those. I mean, some people are going
to be very bothered by this, but I think it's
important to understand where rubber beats the road. So when
you talked about medicines or chemicals, we're talking about, for instance.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Chemical castration, right, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And using clinical terms chemical castration. If you take a
little boy and this little boy at this age thinks
that he wants to be Superman, or he wants to
play Cops and robbers, or this day he decides he
doesn't want to have the male anatomy, how exactly does
the chemical castration work?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, you know, I think the most important thing is
is really explaining these things in the most simple terms possible.
And whenever I take care of my patients, I always
think it's important for people to understand in layman's terms
what this really means and what's the pubery blockers do
over a prolonged period of time. When children take them is,
it prevents the development of the secondary sexual characteristics that
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occur through the progression of purity. So because of that,
they there are a very very high risk that these
children become sterile, that they're unable to have children. So
to put that in very simple terms, if you have
a child who did not go through puberty because they
were on the blockers, they will have a micro penis.
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It will be they won't undergo the hormonal development that
is necessary in order to have it developed into the
size that is typical for an adult. And because of
that and other processes that don't develop, these children can
become sterile, very high risk of that. So let's also
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when the hormones too.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Aytime we're talking about the male. We'll get to the
female in a moment. You hear these horror stories about
teenage girls and they take a lump out of their
leg to fashion some sort of a club and call
that a penis. I mean, it's very disturbing stuff because
these are kids. This is irreparable. But when you talk
about these puberty blockers, let's talk about the boys for
a moment, and how young are we talking about cases
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that you saw where boys were on the puberty.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Blocker children as young as eleven, twelve, thirteen years old?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Wow, so we're talking about not even in middle school yet.
We're talking fourth and fifth grade exactly. And the parents
presumably are aware because they've brought them in. And a
lot of times we find that these parents are themselves
nuts because you'll have one parent that has multiple kids
like this, so you end up the parents are oft
an activist and complete nut jobs. But so the parents
are aware of what's going on during this, yes, yeah,
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And so in addition to the reproductive organ and how
that's changing and will never be the same, and they
will be sterile, so they'll never be able to reproduce,
which could be psychologically damaging to someone. In addition to that,
the hormones also change your body development, so girls grow
hair and boys don't. And talk a little bit about
what that does, you know, we just assume that boys
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or boys and girls and girls, and we ended up
this way. But if you'd been put on a puberty blocker,
how would that change who you are?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
You say, you're eleven, twelve, thirteen years old and you're
put on these blogers. As you age, you know, you've
become fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old, and all your peers
go through purity and develop in a different physical way.
What will happen to these children is they will not
undergo that development, so they will physically look different than
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everyone else, further isolating them from the people around them,
putting them on a road that they will never be
able to come back from. And that's one of the
saddest things about this whole situation, is because you have
these kids committed to a past that they can never
come back from at a time when they at least
understand the consequences of their actions.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Right, and then they're going to be looking around as
And we've seen so many of these cases where a
child who wants to be Batman on Monday and Spider
Man on Tuesday and a fairy princess on Wednesday. When
they get older, they're very angry. Now you talk about
some severe psychiatric problems over the fact that they've been
(24:38):
altered as to We've had guests on our show who've
gone through this, and it breaks my heart for them.
And people commit suicide over this. They commit suicide over
having been altered into someone or something that they're.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Not, and you know, and instead of telling these kids,
you know, their perfect as the way they are, that
going through purity is hardened, but those challenges will make
them stronger, will make them better, and that the lessons
they learned from those challenges is what they will take
into their adulthood. Like that's what we all had when
we were children, and it was those things that that
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gave us the strength to make it through tough times
in the future. And what they're doing is taking that
away from these kids. And it's so wrong because.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Right there we're going to talk more to aton Heim,
the whistleblower in this massive case that's just just hit
the news. Coming up. Aton Heim is our guest, and
I'll just read you the Daily Wire headline. A doctor
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blew the whistle on his hospital's transgender clinic. Now the
Feds are trying to ruin his life. The whistleblower who
exposed shocking surgeries at the country's largest children's high hospital
comes forward. That children's hospital is Texas Children's Hospital, the
prestigious hospital in Houston, Texas. Ayton him was a doctor
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there and he blew the whistle on the fact that
they were making boys and the girls and girls into boys,
and we're talking about children, he says, is who did this?
When we talk about you, as they talk about you
being an anonymous whistle blower, how did you do that?
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How did you go about saying, hey, guys, this is
what's going on over here, y'all need to know this
is a bad thing. If you see something, say something.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
You know, it's an interesting story, because there was There
was at one point when I saw that the Grand
Round Lectures, you know, this very prestigious lecture series in
the hospital, and it was given by the directors of
the transgender program, which supposedly did not exist according to
the public. And understanding the extent of this deception, I
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knew I had to do something about it because it's
my responsibility as a surgeon and a moral responsibility as
an individual. So I knew that I couldn't go to
the hospital because they had been the ones complicit in
the conduct. So I had began reaching out to journalists
during that time, and for five months it was just failure. Right.
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I would just reach out to people, might you know,
might express some interest, but you know, people would look
at me like, you know, like you know, who's who's
this guy? Like, uh, you know, even only you know
all these times and and so it was. It was.
It was just a bunch of uh, you know, dead ends.
I would That's the best way I would put it.
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But then I finally got hold of Chris Rufo in
mid May, and the timing couldn't have been more perfect
because I didn't know this at the time, but the
Texas Senate was voting on a bill s B fourteen.
This was going to be the law that would ban
these hormone related interventions for children who believe they have
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are who believe their transgender. So he knew that it
was important to get the story out, so he verified
who I am. You know. We get the story out
on May sixteenth, twenty twenty three, which shows that Text
Children's is lying to the public about the existence of
their program, and that first day goes all over the news,
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big story, but it did exactly what we thought it would.
The very next day, the conduct we had exposed, right
doing these interventions on children was voted to become illegal
in the state of Texas in a bill that was
passed with bipartisan support. And we were told that partly
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it's because our story came out the day before that.
There were multiple Democrats who vote in favor of it, because,
you know, they didn't believe this kind of thing was
happening in their districts, but now they knew. Now they
knew it wasn't some theoretical thing you see on the news,
but it was something that was that was true, that
was actually happening right down their street. So then more
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whistleblowers come out, you know, or the A couple of
days later, another whistleblower comes out to tell their story
about working with these doctors and how he was horrifying
to see these kids being put on these medications in
these blockers so quick after such short clinic visits. And
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then the Texas Turnian General announces an investigation into the hospital,
and then, you know, for the second time in fourteen months,
the CEO of the hospital says that he's shutting down
the program because of the passage of the law. So
at the end of that, you know, I'm still anonymous,
but I'm thinking, you know, we succeeded and it couldn't
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have couldn't have worked out better.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The Daily Wire story notes that Texas Attorney General Ken
Paxton had issued an opinion stating that performing sex change
procedures on minors was child abuse, and it says hospital
where he was a surgical restaurant resident. This talking about you.
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Texas Children's Hospital stated unequivocally after Paxton's opinion in March
of twenty twenty two that it was halting its so
called gender affirming services, which are sex change procedures. And
in their statement they say Texas Children's Hospital paused hormone
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related prescription therapies for gender affirming services. This step was
taken to safeguard our healthcare professionals and impacted families from
potential criminal legal ramifications. They said that in March of
twenty twenty two. But you were a surgeon on staff
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as a resident there or as a resident there, and
you knew they were lying, and that's what you gave
the information for the story to be written about. As
a result, at they go to the FEDS to try
to take you down, right.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
And you know, just something to note that a few
three days after that statement, they put peevy blockers into
a pre pew resent girl. Right, So there was nothing
more unequivocal than that statement. But it goes to show
how blatant this was that they gave that statement three
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days later they're still doing it, and then only ramped
up from there.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Now here is the part where this gets very interesting.
I read another article. I don't remember the source. I
don't think it's important. You're here so we can But
I read a statement that you had made to somebody
that the reason they do this is not necessarily ideological,
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but it is financial. That there is a lot of
money involved with this. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
You know, well, I wouldn't. I will actually say more
so the former than the latter. It is. Yeah, I
think I think it's I think there is a financial component,
of course, and I think that's how you get some
of these squashy people who don't necessarily agree with it,
but they're willing to go along with it because they
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know it's going to make them a lot of money.
But I think that something like this cannot be on
such a large scale unless you have people who are
committed to it ideologically. And I truly believe that's the
only way you could do this to a child is
if you know within your bones, you believe that somehow
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you're doing the right thing, despite the fact that you're
destroying these kid lives, and so I think, yes, I
would say it's more ideological than.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Financial when obviously you're a young guy and as a doctor,
you're very young, but you are very clear that doing
sex changes on little kids is a terrible thing and
it's going to harm its child abuse as as impacts
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on this that I don't know if you use that term.
We're up against the break hold type. Justin bon when
we're talking to Aton, him the whistleblower against Texas Children's Hospital,
says they're still doing uh, sex changes on kids even
after the law said they can't, and they said they're not,
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But the Feds are trying to destroy his life because
he saw something and said something coming up.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
You know, I would say that. I'm not sure if
they continued after they said they had stopped as fair
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