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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and look so
Michael Verishow is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I have received over the years a number of emails
from parents who are struggling with a child, and some
of them we've talked to on the air. Who is
in a term that I didn't know. I'm fifty three
years old. When I was in school, this term didn't exist.
That is, they are struggling with the child who is
in transition or considering transition, or they've just learned that
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the counselor at school is telling little Tommy that he
can be a girl, or a little Susie that she
can be a boy, and they don't know what to do.
And you know, it's one of those things that if
you don't have a kid going through this, you you
might make an off handed joke and you know it's
funny or it's you know, you don't you don't invest
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a lot of emotion, But when your child is going
through anything, you you don't want to separate from your child.
You don't want to disconnect from your child. You don't
want to be a strange from your child. You want
to be the best parent you can, and sometimes that's tough. Love,
rub some dirt in it. And sometimes that's understanding, sometimes
that's listening. And I'm not a real touchy feely guy,
but I'm probably a little more touchy feeling now that
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I'm older, and I understand, Hey, you can't be the
dad and mom that says we'll have nothing to do
with you anymore, or you leave your kid to a
system and an industry.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
That, in my opinion, is very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So with all that in mind, I had a listener
send me a book entitled A Practical Guide to Gender Distress.
And look, I know what some of you are thinking.
I don't want to talk about boys trying to be
girls and girls trying. I don't either, but the reality
is it's happening, and I have my reasons as to
why I think it's happening. I think some people are
being encouraged. I think there's some peer pressure. I think
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there's a lot to that. But I wanted to have
the author of this book on to talk about this
because this particular parent had read this book and found
it useful in dealing with her child. And she's not
authorized me to say her name or any other details,
and so I won't. You can find this individual at
the Truthfultherapist dot com. Her name is Pamela Garfield Jaeger.
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The book is a practical guide to gender distress. Pamela,
why don't we start with how you came to this
issue first?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I just want to correct it dot org.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Hello, I'm sorry it does say dot com.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I have to protect my own I have to protect
myself here and it's showing as truthful f U L L?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Should it only be one L?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah? I'm not sure where you're seeing that.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
My website isist dot org.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You know what, you may have a pr I'm not
sure how Jim Mudd found you, my creative director, but
he cut and pasted this and it had dot com
and it had.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Truthful with two eels.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
But anyway, so, yes, The Truthfultherapist dot org.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
How did you come to this issue?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I'm an interesting unicorn because I'm a licensed clinical social
worker with over twenty years of mental health experience. I
work with teens and families in school, in clinics, and
hospitals all of this time, and I am one of
the very few with all of this experience that has
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been outspoken on this topic. And the reason I've become
outspoken about this is I actually had to take a
hiatus due to a health issue back in twenty seventeen,
and I came back to my job in twenty twenty one,
and things had radically shifted at that point. That's when
this trend really grew.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
While I was on disability.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
So when I came back, it was extremely shocking to me.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And I describe myself.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Sort of like a Rip vand therapist like Rip Van Wrinkle,
because I was sort of asleep, not aware of what
was happening in my profession. Things radically changed. I came
back and I couldn't believe my eyes.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And I saw many kids at the.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Program I newly was working at identifying as trands that
would never have done that before.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And so walk me through how that brings you to today,
because it's a bit of an atypical, atypical practice.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Very atypical.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I've had quite the journey, honestly. So I had this disability,
I still can't work a full time job, so I
have a lot less to lose. I think that has
a lot to do with it. There are other people
out there that agree with me, but because cancel culture
is so intense, they're afraid to speak up and they're
self censoring. However, I since I can't work full time,
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I have less to lose, so I've decided to be
more outspoken. Also, that job I was just this talking
about it was a healthcare worker job. I was in
California and there was a COVID vaccine mandate for healthcare workers.
I chose not to get the COVID vaccine, and that's
when I decided that I would call to speaking to
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these problems within my profession.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And how did I have to interrupt? Because I don't
like labels, but I am an anti vaxxer. I think
my brother died from taking the vaccine. He was only
fifty four years old. He as a police officer. There
is now a case against astrasenica from police officers that
is being handicapped as a pretty good case because apparently
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officers were being given the astrosenica shot. I don't know why,
but I don't like mandates under any circumstances. Tell me
a little bit, so I understand your mindset of why
you were opposed to that and how that played out.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, at the time, I wasn't really against any of it.
My personal reasons were, I had severe chronic pain for
several years, and at that point I had finally recovered
enough to be functional to work part time at a job.
Before that, I could barely tie my shoes. I had
this nerve pain condition that was extremely severe, and the
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doctors didn't believe me. I went through an odyssey. I
finally overcame all of that, and that's when this vaccine
mandate came through. I also had just recovered from COVID
and took that you know, horse pace, that horse medicine,
and I recovered just fine, and I didn't need it.
I knew that natural immunity was robust and I didn't
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need it. So I did not want to take it.
And I did not trust the healthcare system after everything
I had been through.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And so you were fired, Yes, I say, I.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Was let go. I just didn't get more shifts. I
was no longer able to work for them, and I
was not able to get an exemption. There were the
state of California would not allow doctors to do a
medical exemption. Already, check the box for medical exemption, not
religious exemption. And my reasons were not religious. My reasons
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were medical.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Interesting. That's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well, I'm going to ask you to hold right there
because I want to get into this.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Line in your biography.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid
therapists who lack skills or try to indoctrinate their children
and folks, let me tell you something. We're going to
begin this conversation in the next segment, but I want
to be very clear with you as parents and that
you train your children of this. Do not let someone
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stick something in your kid's but mouth, ear, or arm
that you don't know what it is. Do not hesitate
to say not on this visit. We're going to do
some research and come back because you have agency, you
have control over your own body. Do not simply trust well,
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they're the experts. It doesn't work that way. All right,
We're gonna talk to Pamela Garfield Yeaker Jaeger. The Truthfultherapist
dot org. A practical guide to gender distress for your kids,
and your grandkids and your sister's kids. I'm not man
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Michael Berry The System Lack of Tube Modern Day Robin.
Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest. Our website is The
Truthfultherapist dot org. It says Pamela's mission is to educate
parents on how to avoid therapists who lack skills or
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try to indoctrinate their children. She's the author of the
book A Practical Guide to Gender Distress. She has a
licensed therapist as well. So, Pamela, let's start talking about
what parents need to know if they sense well, actually,
let me take a step back. What are some signs
for parents that maybe your kid is starting to try
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out for Mavian rows. You know, your kid's not sure
what they are. What are some early signs?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yes, so one of the earliest signs is Internet youth.
If your child is spending a lot of time online
and becoming more withdrawn from you and your family and
things that your family value. Those are some indicators that
your child might be withdrawing from what your family values
and might be reaching towards a group of people that
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perhaps are teaching them values that go against what you believe.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
But do you notice in children any sorts of behavioral
changes when you sense that they're going through and.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
What causes this?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I mean, my theory is kids that don't belong and
sometimes they're looking for a way to belong, and this
is sort of almost like a gang.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
You know, other kids are often encouraging them to do this.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
That is your serious, correct, That is one of the
main reasons. Basically what these gender ideologues are doing. They
are taking vulnerable kids and they are recruiting them, and
I see them as exploiting the vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
So it's different for each child in each family.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
There's so many different circumstances. In my book, I go
through many different scenarios of how and when.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
A child could be recruited.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
To decide or believe it, their trends, some behaviors you
ask that you can just look at.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Do they suddenly change their.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Dress to be more androgynous or different or you know,
pink hair, you know, if they start changing their looks.
A lot of times parents look at that and say, well,
I'm just going to let them express themselves. And honestly,
it's a tricky thing how to enforce changing or their dress,
but it's good to be aware of it and not
to ignore it, and to really be present with your
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child and recognize there's probably something.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Going on, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Pamela Garfield Jeger is our guest a practical guide to
gender distress.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I would say.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
That's also good advice for kids who are beginning to
experiment with alcohol, kids who are beginning to experiment with
sexual activity, kids who are beginning to experiment with self harm.
I mean, you identify problems and can help a child
cope better when you are as you said present. I
don't often use therapists speak, but there is something to
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be said for ya. If you're spending your time with
your kid, if you're running to the grocery store, put
your kid in the grocery store with you. Don't assume
once that kid can drive and has a phone, that
living under your roof is enough. You've got to interact.
You've got to get inside their head. You've got to
know what's going on. Are there things that you begin
to prepare parents how to address these issues, How to
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begin that conversation with a child, What sorts of things
are off limits, and what sorts of things are musts
in dealing with this early on.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, I actually have a whole chapter about pronouns, because
one of the first ways they indoctrinate the children is
to have them share pronouns or even just observe their
friends use these pronouns. So I have a chapter about
how nouns are harmful. I think even conservatives often don't
recognize that using the pronouns is not innocent, and to
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teach them to speak out against it, just to say no, no,
thank you, this is causing fighting.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I don't want to lie. So even little kids can.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You can have that conversation with a little kid and
help ground them in truth, help them understand that they
are a.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Boy and they're a girl.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I mean, that's the best way is to start young.
And just if you're religious, of course, tell them this
is how God made you, and help them feel proud
of the body that they were born in. Because they're
being taught in school and in the movies and the
government and everywhere that they are born wrong, that their
bodies are like a vessel, that they can do whatever
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they want, almost like a form of transhumanism.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Little kids are being taught this.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
So parents need to get ahead of that and teach
their children that they are their bodies and the way
they were born is just right, and that you love
them the way they are.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I think there was this idea you talked about transhumanism.
I think there is an idea in a lot of
secular humanistic liberal and they each bring their own approach
to this, and it is the idea that everything is okay,
we'll just hug it out and everything. It's a sort
of relativism of you know, your truth is your truth,
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and your feelings or your feelings.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And whatever they are, no matter what if you're feeling.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But people don't realize if your kids said I'm going
to rob a bank, you wouldn't go.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, if that's how you feel, here's a pistol.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I think kids have to be molded and guided and
interacted with and coached and parented and loved and engaged
and disciplined and challenged. And that sounds like what you're
telling parents to do. When parents call you as a therapist,
where are they usually in that process?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, oftentimes I actually talk to parents with adult children,
usually who are in their early twenties.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
So that's difficult.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Because oftentimes the young adult is no longer living with
the family, But I still give a lot of the
similar advice, and.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
The advice I give is figuring out how.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
To connect with that with that person and I'm no
longer a child, how to connect with that young person
and to remain in contact with them, because what they're
basically being, what's basically happening to them, is they've been
recruited into occult like mentality, and the.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Transactivists have taught them that their.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Families are the enemy. If they have questions, or if
they believe in truth, or if they believe in reality,
that they're the enemy. So your job as a parent
is to let them know that no matter what, you
love them, and maybe in fact figure out what might
be the underlying issues.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Because as as you excuse me, as.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
You said earlier, this has a lot of parallels to
alcoholism or eating disorders or other ways people manifest issues.
This is sort of the new way of cutting, the
new way.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Of self harm.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
So there's always something underneath, and your goal, is someone
who loves them and cares about them, is to help
them address those issues.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Say parents are calling you parents of adult children? Are
these children by this time? Typically when I say child,
I mean the next generation. Some people don't like me
as we're children about someone that might be thirty. I
don't mean they're a little kid.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I mean the parent.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, I am still the child of my parents. I'm
one of their children, and I'm fifty three. When you
say that they are they trying to figure out how
to relate to adult children who've left the home, and
maybe that's that's where we are.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, sometimes they've left the home. Sometimes they're still in
the home, or they're about to leave the home, so
they're grasping to maintain that relationship. So they're calling me
to figure out what to do. And I got to
be honest at that phase, it's not easy, but there
is there is still hope.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I have a story with a friend of mine. Nobody
listening knows him, so don't worry that he might figure
out who it is. But what they're going and the
torment to his wife over a boy that's transitioning to
a girl is I mean, it's very stressful in their marriage,
it's very stressful on their home, and they are not
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equipped to deal with this and they've tried every approach
and this adult child in mid twenties is just being
cruel and tormenting particularly his mother, and it's awful to see.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Hold with us. Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Our website is the Truthfultherapist dot org.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
The book is a practical guide to gender distress.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
They have almost went the law school myself.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The Michael Barry Show.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
The Schooltherapist dot Org. The line that caught my attention.
Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid
therapists who lacks skills or try to indoctrinate their children.
We're talking about boys that want to be girls and
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girls that want to be boys, and what parents should do.
But I will tell you everything she said so far are,
in my opinion, the same thing you should do for
a kid who is beginning to develop bad behaviors, self
harming behaviors with regard to drugs and violence, and any
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number of other social disorders, that all of them some
of the same things. Parent, your kid go into the weeds.
Don't be afraid. Engage, no matter how awkward it gets. Engage.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You know. One of the things I've seen pamelm.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
With kids who go through these phases and by the
time they're thirty, thirty, five, forty, they come out of it.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's like a plane that looks like it's crashing. They
get it back in the air again.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
It is that the kids will say when the parent says, well,
you told us you don't want us to talk to
you anymore. So we didn't and the kids will say,
you weren't supposed to do that. The kids expected the
parents to love them so much they defer them.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Does that make sense, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yes, And Transactive is weaponize that too. I want parents
to recognize that that sometimes that level of tough love
is being weaponized.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
They'll say, oh, that means that you're.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Abandoning your child and that you don't love your child,
when what you're doing is you're trying to show your
love by that tough love. But in this case it
really backfires because what will happen is your child will
go into the hands of what you would call their
glitter family, which are really cult members and cult leaders
that will lead them down the path of permanent sterilization,
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destroying their bodies, doing very dangerous behaviors, and engaging with
people that do not have the best interest for your child.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And in your experience, do you think those people. I
remember this was probably fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
There was an.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Article written based on an undercover investigation and they had
discovered that nam which is which is these grown men
who are pediass and pedophiles and they want to do
a little boys and at.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
The NAMBLA convention.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
They were helping them figure out careers where they could
be around little boys, and they were encouraging them to
be librarians because you would have the little boy in
the library at the school, you would be a position
of authority. Nobody comes around the library, you would have
them to yourself. And I thought, this is really really sick.
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But that means that there were people who became male
librarians for this sole purpose. Do you think that these
that these counselors at the schools, do you think they
went in with malintention or they got caught up in
the woke web.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I think mooth have good intentions.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I think most are misguided. I think that this whole
rainbow path has paved a way for those predators to
be there, like you just described, But most counselors.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
They're what they're really doing.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And here's more therapy speak. They're acting out their own
issues onto children. They're trying to put their rescue fantasies
onto your child. So there's probably a part of them
that's been harmed that wasn't accepted, perhaps bullied, or maybe
they weren't accepted by their own parents, so they project
that onto your child and believe that that same thing
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is happening to your child, and they do what they
think is right. But it's a completely different situation. It's
not themselves, it's not what they needed. It's your kid,
who has the loving family. So I think that's more
of what's happening. Plus it's coming from top down. We
and myself included, and I've gone against it, have been
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trained to do this, to tear the child away from
their parents, to believe the child over the parents, to
immediately affirm a gender identity and keep that a secret.
That's in the training. So people who trust experts and
trust the people they're elders within their profession and our
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naives will go along with it, and their empathy is
being weaponized.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I read this about you.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Pamela has experience working in schools in New York City,
San Francisco, and in Silicon Valley, California. She's been a
clinical supervisor for over ten years, overseeing therapists working in
school based programs and in mental health settings. She has
worked in residential and outpatient programs for adults and teens
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who are severely mentally ill. Where are most therapists.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Getting it wrong?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Do they have bad intentions, or are they simply employing
techniques that they believe are right but you argue are not.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, the profession has really changed since I came up
the ranks. I'm not going to say it was perfect,
but there was some sort of gatekeeping where if you
were projecting your own issues, if you hadn't worked out
your own stuff, you had a supervisor or the agencies
that were doing the hiring would screen those people out.
Whereas now that's being rewarded, and that's also what's being
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taught in the graduate schools. There's also a huge emphasis
on social justice culture and victim mentality, both for the
therapist and also to project that onto the clients. So
if you have a client that's a part of some
kind of minority group, and of course it's LGBT two
plus group is now the big one, they'll look at
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their client as a victim that needs to be protected,
as opposed to looking at the full picture, and that
clouds their perspective, and they're being taught that. If you
look at all the social media of the graduate schools
of the Association's National Association of Social Workers, which I
was once a part of years ago, I would no
longer touch them. They have terrible social justice messages on
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their social media that's very anti therapeutic. So that's where
it's coming from. But so that's why the little old
me is trying to speak to people to let them
know what is appropriate therapy.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You are a voice in the wilderness, Pamela. As I
told you, I had this listener who read your book
and sent it to me or so sorry, sent me
a screenshot of it and said, read this and explained why.
And I can't give any more details than that because
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it was a very personal story about her family. And
I said, I'll do you one better. I'll put her
on the air and reading your website, The Truthfultheapist dot org.
I am grateful there is someone out there like you
doing what you're doing more with Pamela Garfield Dieger. The
book is a Practical Guide to gender Distress. The website
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is The Truthful Therapist or stay tuned. This is Latoia
Kidsrill and Time Love meets a Michael Berry.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
That going f fine. Praise Jesus.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Truthful Therapist dot Org is the website. The book is
a Practical Guide to Gender Distress. The author and licensed
therapist is Pamela Garfield Jaeger. She has been a clinical
supervisor for over a decade, overseeing therapists and school based
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programs and in mental health settings. She's worked in residential
and outpatient programs for adults and teens who are severely
mentally ill. And we're talking about kids who want to
transition or beginning that conversation, and particularly resources and tools
for parents, because you don't want to lose your kid,
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and part of this is a cult that steals your
kid from it. And I would have called that conspiracy
crazy stuff before I saw it happen. I'll give you
an example, Pamela, And I'm sure you've seen this a
thousand times. So my buddy's wife, my buddy's wife, their daughter,
their son, very heavy set, socially awkward, didn't fit in
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in college, couldn't find a career, kind of kind of
a wastrel, as we would to call it, gron not,
you know, not really sure what to do in life.
And then at some point starts kind of kind of
tinkering with this the way kids used to tinker with
with drugs or alcohol or crime or credit card fraud
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or whatever else. And then he he decides he's a girl,
and he moves a few states away, and he's playing
his birth father against his birth mother. My buddy's married
to the birth mother, and he gets the birth father
to pay his rent one month and then mom, and
he withholds his connection to them if they don't pay
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their bills. And then he creates these fights with at
his mother, which is causing my friend who's married to
her a lot of distress because it upsets her. The
mother flies out to where he is on the East
coast and goes there to meet with him and hug
him and get this resolved, and bangs on the door
and he's inside, and she bangs on the door for
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hours and he won't open the door, and she lays down,
sits down back against the door like a movie scene, bawling,
until finally she realizes, after hours and hours of this,
she has to go back to the airport and get
back on the plane and come home crying the whole time.
This is her child, and just the cruelty. And I'm
hearing this story and seeing this play out again and again.
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It's like these rioters at the Hamas writers. It says,
if there is a playbook for what to do. And
this is very it angers me. Your thoughts on this situation.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Well, it just sounds heartbreaking you So like a scene
in the movie. There's a scene in that movie with
Leonardo DiCaprio, the Basketball Diaries. It sounds just like that
because the mom had to set a limit because of
his substance abuse. There are very much parallels to this. Yeah,
I mean, it's it's deep for me to just magically
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say what would be the right advice for this family.
I honestly couldn't do that without getting to know them.
But clearly this boy, young man is acting out things
that he needs to resolve. And the difference between this
and all those other issues that you mentioned is that
the institutions, the professionals are reinforcing it. He's getting his hormones,
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probably for free from planned parenthood. If not, he's getting
it from an actual medical doctor, from his insurance, if
he has insurance. So normally you would never have a
doctor that say, well, here is your cocaine, have at it.
Well here, Now we have institutions that are giving these
hormones too, these young adults, and so it's just heartbreaking.
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So that's why we need to found conspiracy theory. And
I think even if I heard myself talking just five
years ago, I would say I was crazy right now,
but that is what's going on. So people need to
be aware that there is some kind of agenda out
there to destroy families, and unfortunately this family is a
victim of that. It's heartbreaking, It.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Is heartbreaking, and there's such good people.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And you know what bothers me.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Most is if this woman did not love her son,
this would be easier. It's as if the love you
have for your child is being turned on you, and
it's tragic. And my worst fear is this child now adult,
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this man, child who wants to be a woman, take
his own life, which as you know, is very common
in to this story, and then the mother has to
live with that the rest of her life, and the
guilt and the regret and all of that.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I mean, this is awful, yes.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
And that's being weaponized. The suicide lie has been weaponized.
As you probably know, and many of your listeners might
already know that. Therapists and teachers and slogans across everywhere
tell you that if you don't affirm the person who's
identifying as trands, that they will kill themselves.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
The it's your fault if you don't go along.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
With their lie.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
However, there's no.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Proof of that. And the truth is people who tend
to fall into this transgender lie already have mental health issues.
Just like this young man you're describing. He sounds like
he has something of failure to launch. Perhaps he's on
the autistic spectrum. Sounds like there's some family turmoil and
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so there's other reasons that are not being addressed. And
he believes, in his mind, because he's been lied to,
that if he becomes a woman, that.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Will solve all of his problems.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
And we know that that's not the case, and he's
still going to have problems. In fact, he's just going
to compound them. And now he doesn't have the connection
with the people that truly love him, which actually makes
it worse.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
So what do you encourage them to do? Are people
similarly situated.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Well, I mean, the mom is doing everything she can.
I mean, once they've got into that phase where they're
truly not talking to you, there isn't a whole lot
she can do with her son other than give him
the message that she loves him in all different ways
and it sounds like that's what she's doing. I recommend
for her to reach out to some parent groups of
their other parents that are going through similar things. They
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exchange ideas and they can get support from each other.
There's a substack called pit parents Parents with Inconvenient Truths
about tran and there's some as very heart wrenching as
with parents of similar stories. I bet she would connect
with a lot of parents that have written in those
sub stacks. There is an organization called Our Duty. I
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think it's our Duty dot com or maybe dot US.
I'm not sure if I have the URL correct, but
they are called Our Duty. I know there's a US
location and a Canadian location.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
So you can look those up.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
All of these things that are actually listed in the
back of my book so finding resources. There's also an
agency called Genspect that has some parent groups. So there
are several agencies that are putting together parent groups support
for parents that are going through this so that they
don't hold that guilt on their own and they recognize
it's not all their fault and then perhaps they can
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work on whatever, perhaps the things that are in the
family that could be strengthened so that the person that
is going through the trends can come back to a
healthier system. But it's of course it's not simple.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, our time is you are a wonderful resource.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Folks can go to the truthfultheapist dot org and there
is a contact me button, you can email there, you
can buy the book there, there are resources there, there's
a video to watch there about gender transformation and our
transition and all this sort of stuff. Ninety nine percent
(32:25):
of our audience will not need your services, but for
that one percent, we might just make a difference, and
that is the goal. Pamela Garfield Jaeger a voice in
the wilderness of sanity and care and reasonableness.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I am grateful for.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You and I appreciate you taking the time to do this,
and you're welcome.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Elvis has good thank you, and good night,
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and look so
Michael Verishow is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I have received over the years a number of emails
from parents who are struggling with a child, and some
of them we've talked to on the air. Who is
in a term that I didn't know. I'm fifty three
years old. When I was in school, this term didn't exist.
That is, they are struggling with the child who is
in transition or considering transition, or they've just learned that
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the counselor at school is telling little Tommy that he
can be a girl, or a little Susie that she
can be a boy, and they don't know what to do.
And you know, it's one of those things that if
you don't have a kid going through this, you you
might make an off handed joke and you know it's
funny or it's you know, you don't you don't invest
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a lot of emotion, But when your child is going
through anything, you you don't want to separate from your child.
You don't want to disconnect from your child. You don't
want to be a strange from your child. You want
to be the best parent you can, and sometimes that's tough. Love,
rub some dirt in it. And sometimes that's understanding, sometimes
that's listening. And I'm not a real touchy feely guy,
but I'm probably a little more touchy feeling now that
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I'm older, and I understand, Hey, you can't be the
dad and mom that says we'll have nothing to do
with you anymore, or you leave your kid to a
system and an industry.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
That, in my opinion, is very dangerous.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So with all that in mind, I had a listener
send me a book entitled A Practical Guide to Gender Distress.
And look, I know what some of you are thinking.
I don't want to talk about boys trying to be
girls and girls trying. I don't either, but the reality
is it's happening, and I have my reasons as to
why I think it's happening. I think some people are
being encouraged. I think there's some peer pressure. I think
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there's a lot to that. But I wanted to have
the author of this book on to talk about this
because this particular parent had read this book and found
it useful in dealing with her child. And she's not
authorized me to say her name or any other details,
and so I won't. You can find this individual at
the Truthfultherapist dot com. Her name is Pamela Garfield Jaeger.
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The book is a practical guide to gender distress. Pamela,
why don't we start with how you came to this
issue first?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I just want to correct it dot org.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Hello, I'm sorry it does say dot com.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I have to protect my own I have to protect
myself here and it's showing as truthful f U L L?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Should it only be one L?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah? I'm not sure where you're seeing that.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
My website isist dot org.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You know what, you may have a pr I'm not
sure how Jim Mudd found you, my creative director, but
he cut and pasted this and it had dot com
and it had.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Truthful with two eels.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
But anyway, so, yes, The Truthfultherapist dot org.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
How did you come to this issue?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
I'm an interesting unicorn because I'm a licensed clinical social
worker with over twenty years of mental health experience. I
work with teens and families in school, in clinics, and
hospitals all of this time, and I am one of
the very few with all of this experience that has
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been outspoken on this topic. And the reason I've become
outspoken about this is I actually had to take a
hiatus due to a health issue back in twenty seventeen,
and I came back to my job in twenty twenty one,
and things had radically shifted at that point. That's when
this trend really grew.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
While I was on disability.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
So when I came back, it was extremely shocking to me.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And I describe myself.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Sort of like a Rip vand therapist like Rip Van Wrinkle,
because I was sort of asleep, not aware of what
was happening in my profession. Things radically changed. I came
back and I couldn't believe my eyes.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And I saw many kids at the.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Program I newly was working at identifying as trands that
would never have done that before.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And so walk me through how that brings you to today,
because it's a bit of an atypical, atypical practice.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Very atypical.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I've had quite the journey, honestly. So I had this disability,
I still can't work a full time job, so I
have a lot less to lose. I think that has
a lot to do with it. There are other people
out there that agree with me, but because cancel culture
is so intense, they're afraid to speak up and they're
self censoring. However, I since I can't work full time,
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I have less to lose, so I've decided to be
more outspoken. Also, that job I was just this talking
about it was a healthcare worker job. I was in
California and there was a COVID vaccine mandate for healthcare workers.
I chose not to get the COVID vaccine, and that's
when I decided that I would call to speaking to
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these problems within my profession.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And how did I have to interrupt? Because I don't
like labels, but I am an anti vaxxer. I think
my brother died from taking the vaccine. He was only
fifty four years old. He as a police officer. There
is now a case against astrasenica from police officers that
is being handicapped as a pretty good case because apparently
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officers were being given the astrosenica shot. I don't know why,
but I don't like mandates under any circumstances. Tell me
a little bit, so I understand your mindset of why
you were opposed to that and how that played out.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, at the time, I wasn't really against any of it.
My personal reasons were, I had severe chronic pain for
several years, and at that point I had finally recovered
enough to be functional to work part time at a job.
Before that, I could barely tie my shoes. I had
this nerve pain condition that was extremely severe, and the
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doctors didn't believe me. I went through an odyssey. I
finally overcame all of that, and that's when this vaccine
mandate came through. I also had just recovered from COVID
and took that you know, horse pace, that horse medicine,
and I recovered just fine, and I didn't need it.
I knew that natural immunity was robust and I didn't
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need it. So I did not want to take it.
And I did not trust the healthcare system after everything
I had been through.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And so you were fired, Yes, I say, I.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Was let go. I just didn't get more shifts. I
was no longer able to work for them, and I
was not able to get an exemption. There were the
state of California would not allow doctors to do a
medical exemption. Already, check the box for medical exemption, not
religious exemption. And my reasons were not religious. My reasons
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were medical.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Interesting. That's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well, I'm going to ask you to hold right there
because I want to get into this.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Line in your biography.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid
therapists who lack skills or try to indoctrinate their children
and folks, let me tell you something. We're going to
begin this conversation in the next segment, but I want
to be very clear with you as parents and that
you train your children of this. Do not let someone
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stick something in your kid's but mouth, ear, or arm
that you don't know what it is. Do not hesitate
to say not on this visit. We're going to do
some research and come back because you have agency, you
have control over your own body. Do not simply trust well,
(08:01):
they're the experts. It doesn't work that way. All right,
We're gonna talk to Pamela Garfield Yeaker Jaeger. The Truthfultherapist
dot org. A practical guide to gender distress for your kids,
and your grandkids and your sister's kids. I'm not man
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Michael Berry The System Lack of Tube Modern Day Robin.
Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest. Our website is The
Truthfultherapist dot org. It says Pamela's mission is to educate
parents on how to avoid therapists who lack skills or
(08:43):
try to indoctrinate their children. She's the author of the
book A Practical Guide to Gender Distress. She has a
licensed therapist as well. So, Pamela, let's start talking about
what parents need to know if they sense well, actually,
let me take a step back. What are some signs
for parents that maybe your kid is starting to try
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out for Mavian rows. You know, your kid's not sure
what they are. What are some early signs?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yes, so one of the earliest signs is Internet youth.
If your child is spending a lot of time online
and becoming more withdrawn from you and your family and
things that your family value. Those are some indicators that
your child might be withdrawing from what your family values
and might be reaching towards a group of people that
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perhaps are teaching them values that go against what you believe.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
But do you notice in children any sorts of behavioral
changes when you sense that they're going through and.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
What causes this?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I mean, my theory is kids that don't belong and
sometimes they're looking for a way to belong, and this
is sort of almost like a gang.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
You know, other kids are often encouraging them to do this.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
That is your serious, correct, That is one of the
main reasons. Basically what these gender ideologues are doing. They
are taking vulnerable kids and they are recruiting them, and
I see them as exploiting the vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
So it's different for each child in each family.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
There's so many different circumstances. In my book, I go
through many different scenarios of how and when.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
A child could be recruited.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
To decide or believe it, their trends, some behaviors you
ask that you can just look at.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Do they suddenly change their.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Dress to be more androgynous or different or you know,
pink hair, you know, if they start changing their looks.
A lot of times parents look at that and say, well,
I'm just going to let them express themselves. And honestly,
it's a tricky thing how to enforce changing or their dress,
but it's good to be aware of it and not
to ignore it, and to really be present with your
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child and recognize there's probably something.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Going on, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Pamela Garfield Jeger is our guest a practical guide to
gender distress.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I would say.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
That's also good advice for kids who are beginning to
experiment with alcohol, kids who are beginning to experiment with
sexual activity, kids who are beginning to experiment with self harm.
I mean, you identify problems and can help a child
cope better when you are as you said present. I
don't often use therapists speak, but there is something to
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be said for ya. If you're spending your time with
your kid, if you're running to the grocery store, put
your kid in the grocery store with you. Don't assume
once that kid can drive and has a phone, that
living under your roof is enough. You've got to interact.
You've got to get inside their head. You've got to
know what's going on. Are there things that you begin
to prepare parents how to address these issues, How to
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begin that conversation with a child, What sorts of things
are off limits, and what sorts of things are musts
in dealing with this early on.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, I actually have a whole chapter about pronouns, because
one of the first ways they indoctrinate the children is
to have them share pronouns or even just observe their
friends use these pronouns. So I have a chapter about
how nouns are harmful. I think even conservatives often don't
recognize that using the pronouns is not innocent, and to
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teach them to speak out against it, just to say no, no,
thank you, this is causing fighting.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I don't want to lie. So even little kids can.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You can have that conversation with a little kid and
help ground them in truth, help them understand that they
are a.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Boy and they're a girl.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I mean, that's the best way is to start young.
And just if you're religious, of course, tell them this
is how God made you, and help them feel proud
of the body that they were born in. Because they're
being taught in school and in the movies and the
government and everywhere that they are born wrong, that their
bodies are like a vessel, that they can do whatever
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they want, almost like a form of transhumanism.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Little kids are being taught this.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
So parents need to get ahead of that and teach
their children that they are their bodies and the way
they were born is just right, and that you love
them the way they are.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I think there was this idea you talked about transhumanism.
I think there is an idea in a lot of
secular humanistic liberal and they each bring their own approach
to this, and it is the idea that everything is okay,
we'll just hug it out and everything. It's a sort
of relativism of you know, your truth is your truth,
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and your feelings or your feelings.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And whatever they are, no matter what if you're feeling.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But people don't realize if your kids said I'm going
to rob a bank, you wouldn't go.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, if that's how you feel, here's a pistol.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I think kids have to be molded and guided and
interacted with and coached and parented and loved and engaged
and disciplined and challenged. And that sounds like what you're
telling parents to do. When parents call you as a therapist,
where are they usually in that process?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, oftentimes I actually talk to parents with adult children,
usually who are in their early twenties.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
So that's difficult.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Because oftentimes the young adult is no longer living with
the family, But I still give a lot of the
similar advice, and.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
The advice I give is figuring out how.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
To connect with that with that person and I'm no
longer a child, how to connect with that young person
and to remain in contact with them, because what they're
basically being, what's basically happening to them, is they've been
recruited into occult like mentality, and the.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Transactivists have taught them that their.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Families are the enemy. If they have questions, or if
they believe in truth, or if they believe in reality,
that they're the enemy. So your job as a parent
is to let them know that no matter what, you
love them, and maybe in fact figure out what might
be the underlying issues.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Because as as you excuse me, as.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
You said earlier, this has a lot of parallels to
alcoholism or eating disorders or other ways people manifest issues.
This is sort of the new way of cutting, the
new way.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Of self harm.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
So there's always something underneath, and your goal, is someone
who loves them and cares about them, is to help
them address those issues.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Say parents are calling you parents of adult children? Are
these children by this time? Typically when I say child,
I mean the next generation. Some people don't like me
as we're children about someone that might be thirty. I
don't mean they're a little kid.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I mean the parent.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, I am still the child of my parents. I'm
one of their children, and I'm fifty three. When you
say that they are they trying to figure out how
to relate to adult children who've left the home, and
maybe that's that's where we are.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, sometimes they've left the home. Sometimes they're still in
the home, or they're about to leave the home, so
they're grasping to maintain that relationship. So they're calling me
to figure out what to do. And I got to
be honest at that phase, it's not easy, but there
is there is still hope.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I have a story with a friend of mine. Nobody
listening knows him, so don't worry that he might figure
out who it is. But what they're going and the
torment to his wife over a boy that's transitioning to
a girl is I mean, it's very stressful in their marriage,
it's very stressful on their home, and they are not
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equipped to deal with this and they've tried every approach
and this adult child in mid twenties is just being
cruel and tormenting particularly his mother, and it's awful to see.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Hold with us. Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Our website is the Truthfultherapist dot org.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
The book is a practical guide to gender distress.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
They have almost went the law school myself.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The Michael Barry Show.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
The Schooltherapist dot Org. The line that caught my attention.
Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid
therapists who lacks skills or try to indoctrinate their children.
We're talking about boys that want to be girls and
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girls that want to be boys, and what parents should do.
But I will tell you everything she said so far are,
in my opinion, the same thing you should do for
a kid who is beginning to develop bad behaviors, self
harming behaviors with regard to drugs and violence, and any
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number of other social disorders, that all of them some
of the same things. Parent, your kid go into the weeds.
Don't be afraid. Engage, no matter how awkward it gets. Engage.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You know. One of the things I've seen pamelm.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
With kids who go through these phases and by the
time they're thirty, thirty, five, forty, they come out of it.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's like a plane that looks like it's crashing. They
get it back in the air again.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
It is that the kids will say when the parent says, well,
you told us you don't want us to talk to
you anymore. So we didn't and the kids will say,
you weren't supposed to do that. The kids expected the
parents to love them so much they defer them.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Does that make sense, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yes, And Transactive is weaponize that too. I want parents
to recognize that that sometimes that level of tough love
is being weaponized.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
They'll say, oh, that means that you're.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Abandoning your child and that you don't love your child,
when what you're doing is you're trying to show your
love by that tough love. But in this case it
really backfires because what will happen is your child will
go into the hands of what you would call their
glitter family, which are really cult members and cult leaders
that will lead them down the path of permanent sterilization,
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destroying their bodies, doing very dangerous behaviors, and engaging with
people that do not have the best interest for your child.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And in your experience, do you think those people. I
remember this was probably fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
There was an.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Article written based on an undercover investigation and they had
discovered that nam which is which is these grown men
who are pediass and pedophiles and they want to do
a little boys and at.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
The NAMBLA convention.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
They were helping them figure out careers where they could
be around little boys, and they were encouraging them to
be librarians because you would have the little boy in
the library at the school, you would be a position
of authority. Nobody comes around the library, you would have
them to yourself. And I thought, this is really really sick.
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But that means that there were people who became male
librarians for this sole purpose. Do you think that these
that these counselors at the schools, do you think they
went in with malintention or they got caught up in
the woke web.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I think mooth have good intentions.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I think most are misguided. I think that this whole
rainbow path has paved a way for those predators to
be there, like you just described, But most counselors.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
They're what they're really doing.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And here's more therapy speak. They're acting out their own
issues onto children. They're trying to put their rescue fantasies
onto your child. So there's probably a part of them
that's been harmed that wasn't accepted, perhaps bullied, or maybe
they weren't accepted by their own parents, so they project
that onto your child and believe that that same thing
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is happening to your child, and they do what they
think is right. But it's a completely different situation. It's
not themselves, it's not what they needed. It's your kid,
who has the loving family. So I think that's more
of what's happening. Plus it's coming from top down. We
and myself included, and I've gone against it, have been
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trained to do this, to tear the child away from
their parents, to believe the child over the parents, to
immediately affirm a gender identity and keep that a secret.
That's in the training. So people who trust experts and
trust the people they're elders within their profession and our
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naives will go along with it, and their empathy is
being weaponized.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I read this about you.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Pamela has experience working in schools in New York City,
San Francisco, and in Silicon Valley, California. She's been a
clinical supervisor for over ten years, overseeing therapists working in
school based programs and in mental health settings. She has
worked in residential and outpatient programs for adults and teens
(21:38):
who are severely mentally ill. Where are most therapists.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Getting it wrong?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Do they have bad intentions, or are they simply employing
techniques that they believe are right but you argue are not.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, the profession has really changed since I came up
the ranks. I'm not going to say it was perfect,
but there was some sort of gatekeeping where if you
were projecting your own issues, if you hadn't worked out
your own stuff, you had a supervisor or the agencies
that were doing the hiring would screen those people out.
Whereas now that's being rewarded, and that's also what's being
(22:18):
taught in the graduate schools. There's also a huge emphasis
on social justice culture and victim mentality, both for the
therapist and also to project that onto the clients. So
if you have a client that's a part of some
kind of minority group, and of course it's LGBT two
plus group is now the big one, they'll look at
(22:39):
their client as a victim that needs to be protected,
as opposed to looking at the full picture, and that
clouds their perspective, and they're being taught that. If you
look at all the social media of the graduate schools
of the Association's National Association of Social Workers, which I
was once a part of years ago, I would no
longer touch them. They have terrible social justice messages on
(23:02):
their social media that's very anti therapeutic. So that's where
it's coming from. But so that's why the little old
me is trying to speak to people to let them
know what is appropriate therapy.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You are a voice in the wilderness, Pamela. As I
told you, I had this listener who read your book
and sent it to me or so sorry, sent me
a screenshot of it and said, read this and explained why.
And I can't give any more details than that because
(23:38):
it was a very personal story about her family. And
I said, I'll do you one better. I'll put her
on the air and reading your website, The Truthfultheapist dot org.
I am grateful there is someone out there like you
doing what you're doing more with Pamela Garfield Dieger. The
book is a Practical Guide to gender Distress. The website
(23:58):
is The Truthful Therapist or stay tuned. This is Latoia
Kidsrill and Time Love meets a Michael Berry.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
That going f fine. Praise Jesus.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Truthful Therapist dot Org is the website. The book is
a Practical Guide to Gender Distress. The author and licensed
therapist is Pamela Garfield Jaeger. She has been a clinical
supervisor for over a decade, overseeing therapists and school based
(24:31):
programs and in mental health settings. She's worked in residential
and outpatient programs for adults and teens who are severely
mentally ill. And we're talking about kids who want to
transition or beginning that conversation, and particularly resources and tools
for parents, because you don't want to lose your kid,
(24:51):
and part of this is a cult that steals your
kid from it. And I would have called that conspiracy
crazy stuff before I saw it happen. I'll give you
an example, Pamela, And I'm sure you've seen this a
thousand times. So my buddy's wife, my buddy's wife, their daughter,
their son, very heavy set, socially awkward, didn't fit in
(25:14):
in college, couldn't find a career, kind of kind of
a wastrel, as we would to call it, gron not,
you know, not really sure what to do in life.
And then at some point starts kind of kind of
tinkering with this the way kids used to tinker with
with drugs or alcohol or crime or credit card fraud
(25:35):
or whatever else. And then he he decides he's a girl,
and he moves a few states away, and he's playing
his birth father against his birth mother. My buddy's married
to the birth mother, and he gets the birth father
to pay his rent one month and then mom, and
he withholds his connection to them if they don't pay
(25:55):
their bills. And then he creates these fights with at
his mother, which is causing my friend who's married to
her a lot of distress because it upsets her. The
mother flies out to where he is on the East
coast and goes there to meet with him and hug
him and get this resolved, and bangs on the door
and he's inside, and she bangs on the door for
(26:17):
hours and he won't open the door, and she lays down,
sits down back against the door like a movie scene, bawling,
until finally she realizes, after hours and hours of this,
she has to go back to the airport and get
back on the plane and come home crying the whole time.
This is her child, and just the cruelty. And I'm
hearing this story and seeing this play out again and again.
(26:40):
It's like these rioters at the Hamas writers. It says,
if there is a playbook for what to do. And
this is very it angers me. Your thoughts on this situation.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Well, it just sounds heartbreaking you So like a scene
in the movie. There's a scene in that movie with
Leonardo DiCaprio, the Basketball Diaries. It sounds just like that
because the mom had to set a limit because of
his substance abuse. There are very much parallels to this. Yeah,
I mean, it's it's deep for me to just magically
(27:18):
say what would be the right advice for this family.
I honestly couldn't do that without getting to know them.
But clearly this boy, young man is acting out things
that he needs to resolve. And the difference between this
and all those other issues that you mentioned is that
the institutions, the professionals are reinforcing it. He's getting his hormones,
(27:40):
probably for free from planned parenthood. If not, he's getting
it from an actual medical doctor, from his insurance, if
he has insurance. So normally you would never have a
doctor that say, well, here is your cocaine, have at it.
Well here, Now we have institutions that are giving these
hormones too, these young adults, and so it's just heartbreaking.
(28:03):
So that's why we need to found conspiracy theory. And
I think even if I heard myself talking just five
years ago, I would say I was crazy right now,
but that is what's going on. So people need to
be aware that there is some kind of agenda out
there to destroy families, and unfortunately this family is a
victim of that. It's heartbreaking, It.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Is heartbreaking, and there's such good people.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
And you know what bothers me.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Most is if this woman did not love her son,
this would be easier. It's as if the love you
have for your child is being turned on you, and
it's tragic. And my worst fear is this child now adult,
(28:51):
this man, child who wants to be a woman, take
his own life, which as you know, is very common
in to this story, and then the mother has to
live with that the rest of her life, and the
guilt and the regret and all of that.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I mean, this is awful, yes.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
And that's being weaponized. The suicide lie has been weaponized.
As you probably know, and many of your listeners might
already know that. Therapists and teachers and slogans across everywhere
tell you that if you don't affirm the person who's
identifying as trands, that they will kill themselves.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
The it's your fault if you don't go along.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
With their lie.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
However, there's no.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Proof of that. And the truth is people who tend
to fall into this transgender lie already have mental health issues.
Just like this young man you're describing. He sounds like
he has something of failure to launch. Perhaps he's on
the autistic spectrum. Sounds like there's some family turmoil and
(29:55):
so there's other reasons that are not being addressed. And
he believes, in his mind, because he's been lied to,
that if he becomes a woman, that.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Will solve all of his problems.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
And we know that that's not the case, and he's
still going to have problems. In fact, he's just going
to compound them. And now he doesn't have the connection
with the people that truly love him, which actually makes
it worse.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
So what do you encourage them to do? Are people
similarly situated.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Well, I mean, the mom is doing everything she can.
I mean, once they've got into that phase where they're
truly not talking to you, there isn't a whole lot
she can do with her son other than give him
the message that she loves him in all different ways
and it sounds like that's what she's doing. I recommend
for her to reach out to some parent groups of
their other parents that are going through similar things. They
(30:47):
exchange ideas and they can get support from each other.
There's a substack called pit parents Parents with Inconvenient Truths
about tran and there's some as very heart wrenching as
with parents of similar stories. I bet she would connect
with a lot of parents that have written in those
sub stacks. There is an organization called Our Duty. I
(31:12):
think it's our Duty dot com or maybe dot US.
I'm not sure if I have the URL correct, but
they are called Our Duty. I know there's a US
location and a Canadian location.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
So you can look those up.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
All of these things that are actually listed in the
back of my book so finding resources. There's also an
agency called Genspect that has some parent groups. So there
are several agencies that are putting together parent groups support
for parents that are going through this so that they
don't hold that guilt on their own and they recognize
it's not all their fault and then perhaps they can
(31:46):
work on whatever, perhaps the things that are in the
family that could be strengthened so that the person that
is going through the trends can come back to a
healthier system. But it's of course it's not simple.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, our time is you are a wonderful resource.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Folks can go to the truthfultheapist dot org and there
is a contact me button, you can email there, you
can buy the book there, there are resources there, there's
a video to watch there about gender transformation and our
transition and all this sort of stuff. Ninety nine percent
(32:25):
of our audience will not need your services, but for
that one percent, we might just make a difference, and
that is the goal. Pamela Garfield Jaeger a voice in
the wilderness of sanity and care and reasonableness.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I am grateful for.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You and I appreciate you taking the time to do this,
and you're welcome.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Elvis has good thank you, and good night,
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