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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So Michael Berry's show is.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
On the air.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's Charlie from BlackBerry Smother. I will feel a good
one coming on.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh yes it is. Yes, What a week? What a week?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yesterday was my thirty third wedding anniversary to my betrothed
under the incantation run Berry my sweetheart. We've been together
since nineteen eighty nine. We got married three days after
we met, three years not three days. Three years after
we met. I was eighteen years old, she was twenty one.
Cradle Robert. We married in nineteen ninety two, celebrating thirty
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three years yesterday. I'm very proud of that. Life is
more fun lived with someone to enjoy it. Yesterday was
also my brother chris is fifty seventh birthday. Of course,
we lost him in twenty twenty two, far far too young.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
He was the cop.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But so this week I've celebrated two people I have
loved in my life for many, many years, many many years.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Ramon, when you die, I'll add you to that.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Okay, you'll be number three on there. What a crazy
week is real? Iran interesting times, Let me tell you
what would that you would live in interesting times? So
goes the Chinese aphorism. It's never quite been determined whether
that was a good wish or an ill one, but
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we definitely live in interesting times.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Indeed, what to make of it all? You know?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I try to see the good in all of it.
I put up a post yesterday on the day of
my brother's birthday, in my anniversary to my wife, and
I said, look, I'm going to tell you about my
brother's birthday because I want to honor him. But please
don't send me condolences, because there are no condolencces. I'm
very happy he lived, and I'm very happy for the
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time I've had that I had with him. And I
look forward and I think so much of life, folks,
so much of life for you and your life, whether
you are happy or sad, is which thing you choose
to look at For the people who have passed. Do
you choose to look at the happy memories or do
you choose to dwell on the fact that they're not
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here today? Because if they were, you probably wouldn't be
having dinner with him anyway, You'd probably be too busy
doing something else. So be grateful for the time you did.
Stop and use that to make your life better. To
live your life differently, because we're all going to die,
and before that we're going to lose a lot of
people around us. So maybe live your life so that
you do, matt smise, because I can guarantee you what
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you will remember most about your life at the end
was not how many hours you spent staring at that screen.
I guarantee you that. I can guarantee you that. Oh
I'm sorry, you're right. Ramon has reminded me it is
that time. Courtesy of executive producer Chad Aconi Nakanishi, you are.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
We can move. He laid on the bell every now.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
The offense stabilized under the command of Dante Pastorini, who
matured as a pro quarterback. You know it's grumpy Ramone,
Damn Pastorine, and he sends me an email. I already
know all your sponsors, already own all your merch and
I already follow you on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I know that's my signature line.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Why don't you, Dan Pastorene, just go sit together and
just y'all just grumble, and that'll be y'all's conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Like peanuts, A teacher home a newspaper boy is a businessman.
He sells a product, he provides a service and makes
a profit.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
That's an interview with an old coadre this weekend who
was billionaires, and he said, you want to see somebody
that's successful as.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
My age, they had a paper route.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
The younger you were when you did your first seemed
to correlate best with later business success, So you can
get a good paper out when you're twelve or thirteen.
I can't tell you how many successful people will mention
that they had a paper up. And you think you're
seventy years old, and you talking about what you did
from the time you were eight to fourteen.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Thought it out.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
We would motivated by love with the pet people God,
we would head over heels and this thing.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Jesus, hey, dude, look at this text exchange.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And Paul Wall had sent him a message saying, hey,
Michael Berry's talking about you right now, and Goody had said,
that's fine.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Michael's one of my best friends. But how do you
know that, he says, I drive around and listen to
him every day. You're a kidding. That's so weird. And
he's a dude. I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's just real men love the Beg's and that's just
a factor. Real men love the Beg's, And I'm gonna
tell you something else. Real eight men love this guy. Now,
if you say to me, oh no, this go is
filling the blank, you are projecting and you're trying too hard.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I was the hunter and now I'm the hunter. Michael Berry,
somebody in town, I'm Max. Jennifer Shay.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
A couple of weeks ago in Palm Beach, our company Premier,
which is the syndicator that brings our show to your
to your station, had me and Sean Handy and Glenn
Back and Clay and Buck and Jesse Kelly and Jennifer
was there and we had we had a small gathering
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and I got to visit with her at length. And
I never met her in person, But Jennifer was a
star in corporate America. She was the chief marketing officer
for Levi Strauss Company, and she kind of became a
whistleblower because she refused to be woke, and we had her.
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She wrote a book about it. She's a little spark plug.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean she is.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
She's tiny, and she's tough, and she has started a
company called xxx Y. So we called my wife. While
we were sitting there talking, she's your wife will know
about it, and I said, usually kind of.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Look at what she's wearing.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
She wears athletic gear at leisure when she's working out.
And she said, oh, she'll know it. So we called
and sure enough, my wife knew of it. XXXY Jennifer.
Shea the founder and CEO of that company. It's only
less than two years old and they're already making a
big mark. But I love this because now that she is,
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you know, refuses to be woke, and she's building this
business as a kind.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Of you can do it the right way. A lot
of people like you're rooting for her.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So she was doing an interview or it was like
a panel discussion, and she said she wants to be
the first company without an HR department. She means big companies,
because you may not have an HR department at your offices.
But I love this idea and I love that somebody
who came from corporate America is talking about this. I
want to be the first company that has no HR.
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They produce nothing, They monitor our words, they tell us
what we can and cannot say.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
They inhibit creativity. It was just recruiting.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Fine, do that, but do not get in my business
and tell us how we have to talk about things,
what we can say, what words are acceptable and what
words are not.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's terrible for business. And now that's somebody that came
from a big corporate environment. And if you don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
How much of a drain a bad HR department can
be on a corporation, you first have to understand.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I give you an example.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
When I served on city council in Houston, real estate
folks would come to me and they would say, councilmen,
can we.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Get help on this issue.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
They're telling us that in this building that's one hundred
years old that we're we're renovating and putting sixty million
dollars into that, the toilet has to be moved over
three inches from the wall. It's already seven inches, and
the current code said it has to be ten.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And we have to bring up to current code.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's not going to make a difference, but it's going
to cost us a lot of money because we have
to bust into the floor and the tile in the
floor is one hundred years old and can't be replaced,
and once we bust into this water line, we could
very well open up a level of problems that will
make this deal unsustainable because we have to do it
on every floor and it's a twenty four building. Also
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that the toilet will be three inches further from the wall.
When the building was built, that was perfectly fine. But
then somebody came up with a uniform code and said, oh,
needs to be ten inches from the wall.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Why who are you protecting here?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
If I go into a restroom and the toilet is
too close to the wall, I'll go You know, I'm
probably not going to come back here because your toilet's
not any good, or I'll pee into sing but whatever.
So this crazy mindset, I would say to them, all right,
let me go talk to the inspection department at the
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city and let me see what I can get done.
And invariably the person would say, we're bringing sixty million
dollars worth of development on this project alone, and now
they're going to get property taxes, sales taxes. This is
going to make a lot of money for the city.
And it broke my heart so bad I stopped saying it.
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But when I started, I would say, you need to
understand The code inspector does not give one f how
much money you're bringing into the city. Well he should, yes,
he should, but he doesn't. And this is the important
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thing to remember. People end up in positions not by accident.
There is an order to the world, an invisible hand,
if I may quote Adam Smith, that guides people into positions.
The kind of person who becomes a code inspector is
often you think of BTK guy had control issues. Is
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often a person who is not prone to seeking profit.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Because you don't make much money.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
He's not prone to wanting the rewards of promotion because's
no promotion.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Is just an inspector.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
He's not a person who plays well with others. He's
often a person who's very introverted, and he'd really like
to have the control he never had in his life. Now, look,
I've got some listeners who are regular emailers to me
who are inspectors, and I suspect they're not that way.
And I found inspectors that were reasonable that I could
deal with, that would try to be fair to people.
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It's not that all inspectors are bad, but when you
get a bad one, I can tell you everything about
that person without ever meeting them, and I can tell
you that what they're trying to do as an adult
is get back control over someone or something that they
never had as a child. Busted childhood, moved constantly, Dad
was a drunk, men coming in in and out of
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mom's life, fleeing in the middle of the night because
they couldn't pay the rent, the electricity, getting cut off,
changing schools, and being socially awkward, having to wear glasses,
breaking out with pimples, starting your period early, wearing white shorts,
all these things that bring shame and embarrassment that seems
silly at this age, but as a kid can mar
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a child and they end up as an adult still
dealing with that and trying, hoping against hope that they
can find some way to get control in their life
because they never had any. And if the only control
they can get is making you do what they want
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to do, there you have it. That's what they'll do.
Once you understand when you're dealing with someone that you're
not dealing with yourself. This creates a great frustration for
very smart people, very balanced people, very rational people, because
you ascribe to them other people that you're dealing with
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the same set of personality traits that you have.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So when someone when.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You're driving along and we're all obviously merging and the
next guy, the guy beside you, doesn't merge.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
He shoots up ahead so he can cut.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
In, and you're going along and he's road raging on you,
and you're going, what are we going to kill each
other over? Who gets in in the line, Because you've
got a lot to live for. It doesn't make sense,
but he doesn't. When you understand that other people are
not like you, it begins to make a lot more sense.
And you can restrict you anybody, and.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You listen to the Michael Berry show.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Good not.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
When you don't. My brother passed during COVID. He took
the shot. He didn't want to, he was required to.
And there were a number of law enforcement officers who
died under very mysterious circumstances, who had no real underlying
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health condition. And we're relatively young. In other words, they
were not a candidate to die of COVID. COVID, much
like the flu, would naturally kill some people. But those
are people who are morbidly obese, or severely diabetic, or elderly.
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In other words, people whose physical constitution, we call them comorbidities.
But the real meaning of this is people who are vulnerable.
And I saw the number I think it was thirty
six thou one year die of the flu. Well, COVID
was in the flu category. That it would do that
to people who had a weaker system, and that's we're
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all going to die at some point, and when we
have compromised systems, we're going to die of something like that.
It's just the way it goes to force people to
take something that was called a vaccine but wasn't a vaccine,
and to do so under penalty of losing your job,
not being able to go to school, not being able
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to enter spaces. Do you remember how the left would
cheer when the unvaccinated died.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
How sick is that.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's a cult. So we will never stop telling this story.
Some of you will remember Mary Tally Boden my ear
nose and throat doctor, sinus doctor. I had her on
before COVID to talk about sinuses, that's her expertise. Then
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COVID hit and she became rather famous because she passionately
threw herself into pushing for ivermectin and pushing to save clients'
lives rather than following the protocol of this stupid vaccine
that is not a vaccine.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We're never going to let this go.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Mary Tally has been on Tucker Carlson Show, on Joe
Rogan's show recently, and people are just now hearing the
message that she has to say, and she's become an
evangelist for it. We cannot simply allow that to happen
and go away and not still talk about it. President
Trump just pardoned First Lieutenant Mark C.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Bashaw.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
He was company commander of the Army Public Health Center's
headquarters company at Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland. At the time,
the Army required all on site workers to provide proof
of being I'm going to use this word in quotes
vaccinated because it's not a vaccine against COVID nineteen, or
submit to regular testing, Mark Bashaw. This is where a
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disc goes Weird was convicted in a first ever court
martial for violating COVID nineteen safety protocols in twenty twenty two.
He faced three charges, including refusing to work remotely or
submit to testing requirements, and refusing to wear a mask
while indoors. And I'll remind you. Fauci said the masks
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were stupid until he decided the masks were good. And
if you remember, he said, you need to have everybody
wearing the mask. Not because they're effective, they're not, but
because they remind everybody you're having a pandemic. They bring fear. Well,
that's not what a mask should be for.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Mark C.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Bashaw also allegedly stayed at work even though he hadn't
tested negative for the deadly virus. What an awful monster
this man is. He was doing his job and you
can't do your job. We're not going to let you
do your job because you're not playing by our rules.
But the judge overseeing the case at the time declined
to impose any punishment, even though First Lieutenant Mark Bashall
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received no additional punishment quote unquote by the judge for
refusing to participate with experimental COVID nineteen protocols masks test injection.
His commanding General, Major General Robert Edmondson, decided to use
the guilty conviction as justification to fire bashawe from service
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to our nation after fourteen I'm sorry, after more than
seventeen years of dedicated service. You know we don't have
enough of these guys we can spare that we can
fire them for stupid reasons. I admire people who will
take a personal loss to stand up for principle. People
of conviction like this, and it's my honor to welcome
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to the program first Lieutenant Mark Sebashel.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I appreciate it, Michael, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Let's I got about three minutes left in this segment,
and then I want to get deep into the details.
But give me about a minute and a half of
a bio. Where were you born, to whom? What's your
personal life? Why'd you go in the military.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, so I grew up in Newbury, Massachusetts. Old Town, Newbury,
Massachusetts founded at sixteen twenty. I lived there, and so
I was nineteen years old, joined the military basically right
out of high school and listed in the Air Force
immediately upon enlisting and after initial training, I got sent
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overseas for the next ten years and I served in Japan, Germany,
South Korea, Africa, Middle East, Central America, and I served
as a primary job was entomology and public health and
test management type activities, risk communication strategies, and protecting service
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members from vector borne disease and other Arthur POD and
non Arthur PROD threats to the force. In twenty nineteen,
I did a direct commission into the Army as an
officer from enlisted to officer, and that was directly into
the Medical Service Corps twenty nineteen. And then my very
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first duty assignment was Army Public Health Center, Aberdeen Improvement Grounds, Maryland,
January twenty twenty. I showed up there, served as the
company commander for a year through the initial COVID madness,
and then in July twenty twenty one went back to
preventive Medicine to do risk communication strategies and that's when
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the weaponized made indates from this belligerent Biden administration started
being weaponized against the quote unquote unvaccinated service members. We
have the data and the databases to show all the dangers,
the deadliness, the you know, the threats of these products
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upon the force. And so that's that's kind of my background. Obviously,
like you alluded to, I got court martialed for standing
up and trying to one not participate with these products
because they're experimental and they were being weaponized against the force,
but two also to conduct my duties as as a
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preventive medicine officer and properly inform our military personnel that
they they were not they always had the option to
accept or refuse these products per federal law, and that
their chain of command could not mandate these products. And
then also to inform them about the signals and the
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databases that we were seeing which were alarming. So I
fail all that to say, that's kind of my background
and the gist.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Of the situation, Mark Bashaw, First Lieutenant, I have been
doing this for twenty years. When I give someone a
time frame and a broad, open ended topic like that,
you're a disembodied voice. We're not looking across the table.
I'm not able to give you any body language. You're
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talking into a phone without being able to see anything
we've never met. I think that may be the best
answer I've ever seen given on a subject so broad,
to stick to the time and punctuate it perfectly. Sheer brilliance.
More of our conversation with First Lieutenant Mark Seabet. We're
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going to be changing the name of the Gulf of
Mexico to the Golf of Kleberry as a beautiful way. Mashaus,
our guest he was court martial for the awful crime
during COVID of not going along to get along. He
has been pardoned by President Trump. Tell me if you would,
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how you came to learn that President Trump was pardoning you.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, so it was actually quite a surprise, I understood,
because I had good friends in the military and outside
the military. You served with me in the military, who
were advocating for presidential pardon. However, I really didn't expect it.
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I just didn't expect it. And so on the twenty
eighth of May twenty five to about three weeks ago,
I got a direct call from the White House from
the pardons are Elise Johnson and then also White House Counsel,
which was retired Colonel Earl Matthews, to inform me that
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the President gave me a full unconditional pardon for the
conviction and the court martial. And it was just, I mean,
it's incredibly it was an incredibly surreal moment, and incredibly
it was a bit emotional too, just because of just
because of the battle and the and the fight.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Name.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, and it was it was good too that I mean,
because it wasn't just my situation, wasn't just about the
the injections or the quote unquote vaccines, would would some
people refer to him as which they aren't. But it
was also because of the weaponized testing and masking, and
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it was good to see that the President Trump acknowledged
the weaponization of those products as well and the situation
at large, because because one of the big things I'll
say is one of the main weapons wasn't and you
kind of alluded to it at the beginning of the show,
But one of the main weapons wasn't isn't the jabs
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per se. Now they've done a lot of damage, and
they're incredibly dangerous, incredibly deadly, and just unknown in general
because of the experimental nature of them, and then the
weaponization on top of that. But one of the main
weapons was the testing and the diagnostics. Because something you
talked about at the beginning was the flu. You know
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how this was very you know, is similar to the
flu situation. Well, what happened to the flu during the
COVID nineteen people, Yeah, exactly, But I posit that they
just switched the PCR testing from flu to COVID nineteen
and just relabeled the situation that we've always dealt with,
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which is an annual symptoms of flu like symptoms on
an annual basis do of several different factors, whether it's
you know, your comorbidities or environmental factors. And then what
did they do that? They just switched the label to
COVID nineteen and then ran psychological operations on the American
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populace to create that false evidence appearing real. Which is fear.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Fear is at the heart of every aspect of authoritarianism.
It is fear of government repercussions. It is fear of dying.
It is fear of social ostracization.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It is fear, fear, fear. It never appears.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's never They never appealed to you in an aspirational way.
It is always fear, fear of going to jail, fear
of losing your job, fear of getting everyone else sick
and then being blamed for it, all of these things.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's it's an awful, awful way.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's not persuasion, it's not an appeal.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It's really really.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Disappointing to see this because it is the sign of
a small mind and or a dark mind, and that
is noteworthy. So then what happened? First, Lieutenant Mark Besha
what happened after you? I presume you left the military.
You get a few years in between, tell me catch
me up.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, yeah, So I got unlawfully discharged in June twenty six,
twenty twenty three. We moved from Maryland to Texas and
currently living in Texas working for a private company, paying
the bills, making them meet my wife. My wife, actually
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she's still military. She survived the mandate, she stood up
against the mandates as well, and so she got stationed
at a totally different installation and kind of that's where
we're located now. I've been pretty outspoken on you know,
social media and things like that, but we're at the
process now of seeing what the Army is going to
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do with this whole reinstatement process of these service members
who were unlawfully discharged. And so the Army had the
ball and has all the evidence of not only you know,
my individual situation, but many other situations, but also the
evidence of service members who actually broke the law during
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this time period and public servants who broke the law
during this time period as well. So it's going to
be interesting to see how that whole situation plays out.
Because as you may or may not be aware, or
your audience may not be aware. The President of the
United States came out with an executive order, you know,
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ordering the military to reinstate the service members. And so
now the services have that direct lawful order from the
commander in chief, and we're going to see how this
plays out.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Okay, I was grasping for time frames and all that.
Does that mean that you have not been reinstated, but
you expect to and if you are reinstated, will you right?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I have not been reinstated at this point in time.
The Army has the pard in the warrant, The Army
has all my evidence and reinstatement package, and if they
make the determination, which lawfully speaking, they should, for me
to be a reinstated that I am open to uniform
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service for our nation, just like I was doing for
the seventeen years prior. And so I am absolutely willing
able and physically able because I just got fully medically
qualified for military service to serve our nation in uniform
once again. If that opportunity arises and the situation presents itself,
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I'm certainly open to it.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Well, I think I know the answer already, but it
sounds to me like you love this country despite some
people in it who might be in positions of authority
whose behavior are quite awful. And I think that's a
pretty powerful love of country.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Absolutely, I do love our country. And the thing I
love about our country the most is especially for public servants.
Each of these public servants take an oath to defend
the constitution. That's an individual oath, that's not a collective thing.
And so all of these public servants have a responsibility
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to uphold their oath to the constitution individually carry themselves
to ensure that they're not aiding in a betting foreign enemy.
And so what we had the past five years is
evident that there are some public servance within our local,
state and central government that aren't willing to aid in
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the bet foreign enemy. And then what we also have
is that made the incredible patriot that have stood up
and carried out their oath of office and have maintained
our form of government, which is a constitutional republic and
not a democracy.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
One of them is First Lieutenant Mark C. Bashaw honor
to speak to you, sir, better things ahead. I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Likewise, Goblash
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So Michael Berry's show is.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
On the air.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's Charlie from BlackBerry Smother. I will feel a good
one coming on.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh yes it is. Yes, What a week? What a week?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yesterday was my thirty third wedding anniversary to my betrothed
under the incantation run Berry my sweetheart. We've been together
since nineteen eighty nine. We got married three days after
we met, three years not three days. Three years after
we met. I was eighteen years old, she was twenty one.
Cradle Robert. We married in nineteen ninety two, celebrating thirty
(00:57):
three years yesterday. I'm very proud of that. Life is
more fun lived with someone to enjoy it. Yesterday was
also my brother chris is fifty seventh birthday. Of course,
we lost him in twenty twenty two, far far too young.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
He was the cop.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But so this week I've celebrated two people I have
loved in my life for many, many years, many many years.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Ramon, when you die, I'll add you to that.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Okay, you'll be number three on there. What a crazy
week is real? Iran interesting times, Let me tell you
what would that you would live in interesting times? So
goes the Chinese aphorism. It's never quite been determined whether
that was a good wish or an ill one, but
(01:48):
we definitely live in interesting times.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Indeed, what to make of it all? You know?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I try to see the good in all of it.
I put up a post yesterday on the day of
my brother's birthday, in my anniversary to my wife, and
I said, look, I'm going to tell you about my
brother's birthday because I want to honor him. But please
don't send me condolences, because there are no condolencces. I'm
very happy he lived, and I'm very happy for the
(02:19):
time I've had that I had with him. And I
look forward and I think so much of life, folks,
so much of life for you and your life, whether
you are happy or sad, is which thing you choose
to look at For the people who have passed. Do
you choose to look at the happy memories or do
you choose to dwell on the fact that they're not
(02:39):
here today? Because if they were, you probably wouldn't be
having dinner with him anyway, You'd probably be too busy
doing something else. So be grateful for the time you did.
Stop and use that to make your life better. To
live your life differently, because we're all going to die,
and before that we're going to lose a lot of
people around us. So maybe live your life so that
you do, matt smise, because I can guarantee you what
(03:01):
you will remember most about your life at the end
was not how many hours you spent staring at that screen.
I guarantee you that. I can guarantee you that. Oh
I'm sorry, you're right. Ramon has reminded me it is
that time. Courtesy of executive producer Chad Aconi Nakanishi, you are.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
We can move. He laid on the bell every now.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
The offense stabilized under the command of Dante Pastorini, who
matured as a pro quarterback. You know it's grumpy Ramone,
Damn Pastorine, and he sends me an email. I already
know all your sponsors, already own all your merch and
I already follow you on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I know that's my signature line.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Why don't you, Dan Pastorene, just go sit together and
just y'all just grumble, and that'll be y'all's conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Like peanuts, A teacher home a newspaper boy is a businessman.
He sells a product, he provides a service and makes
a profit.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
That's an interview with an old coadre this weekend who
was billionaires, and he said, you want to see somebody
that's successful as.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
My age, they had a paper route.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
The younger you were when you did your first seemed
to correlate best with later business success, So you can
get a good paper out when you're twelve or thirteen.
I can't tell you how many successful people will mention
that they had a paper up. And you think you're
seventy years old, and you talking about what you did
from the time you were eight to fourteen.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Thought it out.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
We would motivated by love with the pet people God,
we would head over heels and this thing.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Jesus, hey, dude, look at this text exchange.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And Paul Wall had sent him a message saying, hey,
Michael Berry's talking about you right now, and Goody had said,
that's fine.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Michael's one of my best friends. But how do you
know that, he says, I drive around and listen to
him every day. You're a kidding. That's so weird. And
he's a dude. I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's just real men love the Beg's and that's just
a factor. Real men love the Beg's, And I'm gonna
tell you something else. Real eight men love this guy. Now,
if you say to me, oh no, this go is
filling the blank, you are projecting and you're trying too hard.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I was the hunter and now I'm the hunter. Michael Berry,
somebody in town, I'm Max. Jennifer Shay.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
A couple of weeks ago in Palm Beach, our company Premier,
which is the syndicator that brings our show to your
to your station, had me and Sean Handy and Glenn
Back and Clay and Buck and Jesse Kelly and Jennifer
was there and we had we had a small gathering
(05:47):
and I got to visit with her at length. And
I never met her in person, But Jennifer was a
star in corporate America. She was the chief marketing officer
for Levi Strauss Company, and she kind of became a
whistleblower because she refused to be woke, and we had her.
(06:08):
She wrote a book about it. She's a little spark plug.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean she is.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
She's tiny, and she's tough, and she has started a
company called xxx Y. So we called my wife. While
we were sitting there talking, she's your wife will know
about it, and I said, usually kind of.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Look at what she's wearing.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
She wears athletic gear at leisure when she's working out.
And she said, oh, she'll know it. So we called
and sure enough, my wife knew of it. XXXY Jennifer.
Shea the founder and CEO of that company. It's only
less than two years old and they're already making a
big mark. But I love this because now that she is,
(06:51):
you know, refuses to be woke, and she's building this
business as a kind.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Of you can do it the right way. A lot
of people like you're rooting for her.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So she was doing an interview or it was like
a panel discussion, and she said she wants to be
the first company without an HR department. She means big companies,
because you may not have an HR department at your offices.
But I love this idea and I love that somebody
who came from corporate America is talking about this. I
want to be the first company that has no HR.
(07:26):
They produce nothing, They monitor our words, they tell us
what we can and cannot say.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
They inhibit creativity. It was just recruiting.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Fine, do that, but do not get in my business
and tell us how we have to talk about things,
what we can say, what words are acceptable and what
words are not.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's terrible for business. And now that's somebody that came
from a big corporate environment. And if you don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
How much of a drain a bad HR department can
be on a corporation, you first have to understand.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I give you an example.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
When I served on city council in Houston, real estate
folks would come to me and they would say, councilmen,
can we.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Get help on this issue.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
They're telling us that in this building that's one hundred
years old that we're we're renovating and putting sixty million
dollars into that, the toilet has to be moved over
three inches from the wall. It's already seven inches, and
the current code said it has to be ten.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And we have to bring up to current code.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's not going to make a difference, but it's going
to cost us a lot of money because we have
to bust into the floor and the tile in the
floor is one hundred years old and can't be replaced,
and once we bust into this water line, we could
very well open up a level of problems that will
make this deal unsustainable because we have to do it
on every floor and it's a twenty four building. Also
(08:59):
that the toilet will be three inches further from the wall.
When the building was built, that was perfectly fine. But
then somebody came up with a uniform code and said, oh,
needs to be ten inches from the wall.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Why who are you protecting here?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
If I go into a restroom and the toilet is
too close to the wall, I'll go You know, I'm
probably not going to come back here because your toilet's
not any good, or I'll pee into sing but whatever.
So this crazy mindset, I would say to them, all right,
let me go talk to the inspection department at the
(09:34):
city and let me see what I can get done.
And invariably the person would say, we're bringing sixty million
dollars worth of development on this project alone, and now
they're going to get property taxes, sales taxes. This is
going to make a lot of money for the city.
And it broke my heart so bad I stopped saying it.
(09:54):
But when I started, I would say, you need to
understand The code inspector does not give one f how
much money you're bringing into the city. Well he should, yes,
he should, but he doesn't. And this is the important
(10:15):
thing to remember. People end up in positions not by accident.
There is an order to the world, an invisible hand,
if I may quote Adam Smith, that guides people into positions.
The kind of person who becomes a code inspector is
often you think of BTK guy had control issues. Is
(10:39):
often a person who is not prone to seeking profit.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Because you don't make much money.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
He's not prone to wanting the rewards of promotion because's
no promotion.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Is just an inspector.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
He's not a person who plays well with others. He's
often a person who's very introverted, and he'd really like
to have the control he never had in his life. Now, look,
I've got some listeners who are regular emailers to me
who are inspectors, and I suspect they're not that way.
And I found inspectors that were reasonable that I could
deal with, that would try to be fair to people.
(11:16):
It's not that all inspectors are bad, but when you
get a bad one, I can tell you everything about
that person without ever meeting them, and I can tell
you that what they're trying to do as an adult
is get back control over someone or something that they
never had as a child. Busted childhood, moved constantly, Dad
was a drunk, men coming in in and out of
(11:40):
mom's life, fleeing in the middle of the night because
they couldn't pay the rent, the electricity, getting cut off,
changing schools, and being socially awkward, having to wear glasses,
breaking out with pimples, starting your period early, wearing white shorts,
all these things that bring shame and embarrassment that seems
silly at this age, but as a kid can mar
(12:02):
a child and they end up as an adult still
dealing with that and trying, hoping against hope that they
can find some way to get control in their life
because they never had any. And if the only control
they can get is making you do what they want
(12:25):
to do, there you have it. That's what they'll do.
Once you understand when you're dealing with someone that you're
not dealing with yourself. This creates a great frustration for
very smart people, very balanced people, very rational people, because
you ascribe to them other people that you're dealing with
(12:49):
the same set of personality traits that you have.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So when someone when.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You're driving along and we're all obviously merging and the
next guy, the guy beside you, doesn't merge.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
He shoots up ahead so he can cut.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
In, and you're going along and he's road raging on you,
and you're going, what are we going to kill each
other over? Who gets in in the line, Because you've
got a lot to live for. It doesn't make sense,
but he doesn't. When you understand that other people are
not like you, it begins to make a lot more sense.
And you can restrict you anybody, and.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You listen to the Michael Berry show.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Good not.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
When you don't. My brother passed during COVID. He took
the shot. He didn't want to, he was required to.
And there were a number of law enforcement officers who
died under very mysterious circumstances, who had no real underlying
(13:55):
health condition. And we're relatively young. In other words, they
were not a candidate to die of COVID. COVID, much
like the flu, would naturally kill some people. But those
are people who are morbidly obese, or severely diabetic, or elderly.
(14:19):
In other words, people whose physical constitution, we call them comorbidities.
But the real meaning of this is people who are vulnerable.
And I saw the number I think it was thirty
six thou one year die of the flu. Well, COVID
was in the flu category. That it would do that
to people who had a weaker system, and that's we're
(14:39):
all going to die at some point, and when we
have compromised systems, we're going to die of something like that.
It's just the way it goes to force people to
take something that was called a vaccine but wasn't a vaccine,
and to do so under penalty of losing your job,
not being able to go to school, not being able
(15:01):
to enter spaces. Do you remember how the left would
cheer when the unvaccinated died.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
How sick is that.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's a cult. So we will never stop telling this story.
Some of you will remember Mary Tally Boden my ear
nose and throat doctor, sinus doctor. I had her on
before COVID to talk about sinuses, that's her expertise. Then
(15:29):
COVID hit and she became rather famous because she passionately
threw herself into pushing for ivermectin and pushing to save clients'
lives rather than following the protocol of this stupid vaccine
that is not a vaccine.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We're never going to let this go.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Mary Tally has been on Tucker Carlson Show, on Joe
Rogan's show recently, and people are just now hearing the
message that she has to say, and she's become an
evangelist for it. We cannot simply allow that to happen
and go away and not still talk about it. President
Trump just pardoned First Lieutenant Mark C.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Bashaw.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
He was company commander of the Army Public Health Center's
headquarters company at Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland. At the time,
the Army required all on site workers to provide proof
of being I'm going to use this word in quotes
vaccinated because it's not a vaccine against COVID nineteen, or
submit to regular testing, Mark Bashaw. This is where a
(16:28):
disc goes Weird was convicted in a first ever court
martial for violating COVID nineteen safety protocols in twenty twenty two.
He faced three charges, including refusing to work remotely or
submit to testing requirements, and refusing to wear a mask
while indoors. And I'll remind you. Fauci said the masks
(16:51):
were stupid until he decided the masks were good. And
if you remember, he said, you need to have everybody
wearing the mask. Not because they're effective, they're not, but
because they remind everybody you're having a pandemic. They bring fear. Well,
that's not what a mask should be for.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Mark C.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Bashaw also allegedly stayed at work even though he hadn't
tested negative for the deadly virus. What an awful monster
this man is. He was doing his job and you
can't do your job. We're not going to let you
do your job because you're not playing by our rules.
But the judge overseeing the case at the time declined
to impose any punishment, even though First Lieutenant Mark Bashall
(17:30):
received no additional punishment quote unquote by the judge for
refusing to participate with experimental COVID nineteen protocols masks test injection.
His commanding General, Major General Robert Edmondson, decided to use
the guilty conviction as justification to fire bashawe from service
(17:52):
to our nation after fourteen I'm sorry, after more than
seventeen years of dedicated service. You know we don't have
enough of these guys we can spare that we can
fire them for stupid reasons. I admire people who will
take a personal loss to stand up for principle. People
of conviction like this, and it's my honor to welcome
(18:13):
to the program first Lieutenant Mark Sebashel.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I appreciate it, Michael, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Let's I got about three minutes left in this segment,
and then I want to get deep into the details.
But give me about a minute and a half of
a bio. Where were you born, to whom? What's your
personal life? Why'd you go in the military.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, so I grew up in Newbury, Massachusetts. Old Town, Newbury,
Massachusetts founded at sixteen twenty. I lived there, and so
I was nineteen years old, joined the military basically right
out of high school and listed in the Air Force
immediately upon enlisting and after initial training, I got sent
(18:53):
overseas for the next ten years and I served in Japan, Germany,
South Korea, Africa, Middle East, Central America, and I served
as a primary job was entomology and public health and
test management type activities, risk communication strategies, and protecting service
(19:15):
members from vector borne disease and other Arthur POD and
non Arthur PROD threats to the force. In twenty nineteen,
I did a direct commission into the Army as an
officer from enlisted to officer, and that was directly into
the Medical Service Corps twenty nineteen. And then my very
(19:35):
first duty assignment was Army Public Health Center, Aberdeen Improvement Grounds, Maryland,
January twenty twenty. I showed up there, served as the
company commander for a year through the initial COVID madness,
and then in July twenty twenty one went back to
preventive Medicine to do risk communication strategies and that's when
(19:59):
the weaponized made indates from this belligerent Biden administration started
being weaponized against the quote unquote unvaccinated service members. We
have the data and the databases to show all the dangers,
the deadliness, the you know, the threats of these products
(20:20):
upon the force. And so that's that's kind of my background. Obviously,
like you alluded to, I got court martialed for standing
up and trying to one not participate with these products
because they're experimental and they were being weaponized against the force,
but two also to conduct my duties as as a
(20:42):
preventive medicine officer and properly inform our military personnel that
they they were not they always had the option to
accept or refuse these products per federal law, and that
their chain of command could not mandate these products. And
then also to inform them about the signals and the
(21:06):
databases that we were seeing which were alarming. So I
fail all that to say, that's kind of my background
and the gist.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Of the situation, Mark Bashaw, First Lieutenant, I have been
doing this for twenty years. When I give someone a
time frame and a broad, open ended topic like that,
you're a disembodied voice. We're not looking across the table.
I'm not able to give you any body language. You're
(21:34):
talking into a phone without being able to see anything
we've never met. I think that may be the best
answer I've ever seen given on a subject so broad,
to stick to the time and punctuate it perfectly. Sheer brilliance.
More of our conversation with First Lieutenant Mark Seabet. We're
(21:54):
going to be changing the name of the Gulf of
Mexico to the Golf of Kleberry as a beautiful way. Mashaus,
our guest he was court martial for the awful crime
during COVID of not going along to get along. He
has been pardoned by President Trump. Tell me if you would,
(22:15):
how you came to learn that President Trump was pardoning you.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, so it was actually quite a surprise, I understood,
because I had good friends in the military and outside
the military. You served with me in the military, who
were advocating for presidential pardon. However, I really didn't expect it.
(22:43):
I just didn't expect it. And so on the twenty
eighth of May twenty five to about three weeks ago,
I got a direct call from the White House from
the pardons are Elise Johnson and then also White House Counsel,
which was retired Colonel Earl Matthews, to inform me that
(23:03):
the President gave me a full unconditional pardon for the
conviction and the court martial. And it was just, I mean,
it's incredibly it was an incredibly surreal moment, and incredibly
it was a bit emotional too, just because of just
because of the battle and the and the fight.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Name.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, and it was it was good too that I mean,
because it wasn't just my situation, wasn't just about the
the injections or the quote unquote vaccines, would would some
people refer to him as which they aren't. But it
was also because of the weaponized testing and masking, and
(23:48):
it was good to see that the President Trump acknowledged
the weaponization of those products as well and the situation
at large, because because one of the big things I'll
say is one of the main weapons wasn't and you
kind of alluded to it at the beginning of the show,
But one of the main weapons wasn't isn't the jabs
(24:10):
per se. Now they've done a lot of damage, and
they're incredibly dangerous, incredibly deadly, and just unknown in general
because of the experimental nature of them, and then the
weaponization on top of that. But one of the main
weapons was the testing and the diagnostics. Because something you
talked about at the beginning was the flu. You know
(24:31):
how this was very you know, is similar to the
flu situation. Well, what happened to the flu during the
COVID nineteen people, Yeah, exactly, But I posit that they
just switched the PCR testing from flu to COVID nineteen
and just relabeled the situation that we've always dealt with,
(24:53):
which is an annual symptoms of flu like symptoms on
an annual basis do of several different factors, whether it's
you know, your comorbidities or environmental factors. And then what
did they do that? They just switched the label to
COVID nineteen and then ran psychological operations on the American
(25:14):
populace to create that false evidence appearing real. Which is fear.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Fear is at the heart of every aspect of authoritarianism.
It is fear of government repercussions. It is fear of dying.
It is fear of social ostracization.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It is fear, fear, fear. It never appears.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's never They never appealed to you in an aspirational way.
It is always fear, fear of going to jail, fear
of losing your job, fear of getting everyone else sick
and then being blamed for it, all of these things.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's it's an awful, awful way.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's not persuasion, it's not an appeal.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It's really really.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Disappointing to see this because it is the sign of
a small mind and or a dark mind, and that
is noteworthy. So then what happened? First, Lieutenant Mark Besha
what happened after you? I presume you left the military.
You get a few years in between, tell me catch
me up.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, yeah, So I got unlawfully discharged in June twenty six,
twenty twenty three. We moved from Maryland to Texas and
currently living in Texas working for a private company, paying
the bills, making them meet my wife. My wife, actually
(26:48):
she's still military. She survived the mandate, she stood up
against the mandates as well, and so she got stationed
at a totally different installation and kind of that's where
we're located now. I've been pretty outspoken on you know,
social media and things like that, but we're at the
process now of seeing what the Army is going to
(27:10):
do with this whole reinstatement process of these service members
who were unlawfully discharged. And so the Army had the
ball and has all the evidence of not only you know,
my individual situation, but many other situations, but also the
evidence of service members who actually broke the law during
(27:31):
this time period and public servants who broke the law
during this time period as well. So it's going to
be interesting to see how that whole situation plays out.
Because as you may or may not be aware, or
your audience may not be aware. The President of the
United States came out with an executive order, you know,
(27:51):
ordering the military to reinstate the service members. And so
now the services have that direct lawful order from the
commander in chief, and we're going to see how this
plays out.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Okay, I was grasping for time frames and all that.
Does that mean that you have not been reinstated, but
you expect to and if you are reinstated, will you right?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I have not been reinstated at this point in time.
The Army has the pard in the warrant, The Army
has all my evidence and reinstatement package, and if they
make the determination, which lawfully speaking, they should, for me
to be a reinstated that I am open to uniform
(28:40):
service for our nation, just like I was doing for
the seventeen years prior. And so I am absolutely willing
able and physically able because I just got fully medically
qualified for military service to serve our nation in uniform
once again. If that opportunity arises and the situation presents itself,
(29:03):
I'm certainly open to it.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Well, I think I know the answer already, but it
sounds to me like you love this country despite some
people in it who might be in positions of authority
whose behavior are quite awful. And I think that's a
pretty powerful love of country.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Absolutely, I do love our country. And the thing I
love about our country the most is especially for public servants.
Each of these public servants take an oath to defend
the constitution. That's an individual oath, that's not a collective thing.
And so all of these public servants have a responsibility
(29:43):
to uphold their oath to the constitution individually carry themselves
to ensure that they're not aiding in a betting foreign enemy.
And so what we had the past five years is
evident that there are some public servance within our local,
state and central government that aren't willing to aid in
(30:07):
the bet foreign enemy. And then what we also have
is that made the incredible patriot that have stood up
and carried out their oath of office and have maintained
our form of government, which is a constitutional republic and
not a democracy.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
One of them is First Lieutenant Mark C. Bashaw honor
to speak to you, sir, better things ahead. I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Likewise, Goblash
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