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I received an email from a fellow that said, years ago,
your show assisted us in the death of our marine son,
Corporal Joseph Joey Logan. I recently released a book, Fishing
with Joey, which details our three month cross country fishing
trip before Joey was deployed to Afghanistan. During the trip,
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we covered sixteen thousand miles together. It was every father's
dream and little did I know that it would be
our last. Would your show be interested in featuring a
brief interview regarding the book and my experiences in becoming
a gold Star family member. Thank you for considering this
and of course for your previous assistance with our family situation. Sincerely,
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Palm Logan, Willis, Texas. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Tom, Thank you very much and an honor. And you
wouldn't believe emotions right now, It's amazing, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I would believe them.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I just can't understand them, and that is because I
haven't felt what you felt. I can only imagine, and
I suspect that what I imagine is one percent or
less is an exponential explosion of grief that you have
to have losing your son. We're not supposed to bury
our children. It's just not supposed to happen. No, it isn't,
(02:31):
but it happens, you know, war is Warren. The book
is called Fishing with Joey, And let's take it in
a timeline slowly, he's by piece. Let's talk about your son, Joey.
Tell me about him as a kid, when he was
a little fellow.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Joey was always that a personality. He had the opinion
about everything, just like his dad. And we had to
follow him back several times. You can imagine he was
actor even when he was younger. If he saw something
not right or wrong, or somebody's getting picked on, he
would step in and he got in trouble for a
few fights. But he was he was the He was
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the person that people respected and they didn't mess with.
And that followed on through his whole life. You know,
even in high school. I remember one time that the
new kid came into school and the regular thugs were
picking on him, and Joyce's come here, sit with me
at lunch, and they're not going to bother you again.
And they left him alone. So he hadn't He had
(03:32):
a presence all the time, which is great.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And how did you come to find out that he
was going to join the Marines? Was this a surprise?
Is something he had talked about?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
No, it wasn't really surprised because just a brief story
of our family history, there were so many members in
our family that served in the military, probably on both
sides of the family. I mean, even going back to
the Civil War. My grandfather on the Italian side immigrated
from Italy prior to World War One.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He wanted to be.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
A citizen so bad that he enlisted in the Army
and went back to France and fought into battles and
the trenches. And then after that, dads, my dads and
uncles and his brothers and their brothers and everybody else
served him World War two, had uncles and relatives in Korea.
Mabby and I are Vietnam era veterans, and we had
(04:28):
three children involved in the golf wurs when Joey passed away.
Was Joey, Tommy, my oldest son, who was in the Navy,
and Andy, my youngest daughter, was in the Marine Corps.
And plus my son.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
In law was in the Army.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
And then my daughter Andy's husband was also in the
Marine Corps. So we've been we've been up there on
the front lines quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And all of those entered the Marine Corps before Joey did.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
They were all about the same time. Tommy and Joey
were in a race to join the marine for army. Yeah,
it was. It was the wars were going on. It
was it was, it was active. Everything was going on
in Iraq and aghainstand.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And what was going to do. Sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
They knew what was going on, they knew what was there.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You know, what was going on in his life personally
when he makes the decision to join the Marines. Is
he working, is he home from school? Is he figuring
it out?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
He had just graduated high school. And I guess you
don't realize that your children listen to you and emulate
you their whole life, but you don't think they're paying attention.
But he saw what my wife and I did. We
you know, we we listed there the Vietnam War and
both of us served for the Houston Police Department. I
did twenty one years, twenty eight years, w twenty one years.
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So he was he was he was looking at something
to serve. He wanted to help, and and all of
a sudden he starts going to the recruiters that the
he depends. He decided, I'm gonna go on the Rine Corps.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
All right. Tom Logan is our guest. The book is
called Fishing with Joey.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Where I can't believe he just said that happens to
Michael Arry Show.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Tom Logan is our guest. His son, Green Corporal Joey Logan.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Was deployed to Afghanistan, where he died in a helicopter crash.
Prior to that, for three months, Tom Logan traveled across
the country, spending father sontime. He wrote a book about
what that time meant to him, called Fishing with Joey.
(06:43):
And he is our guest. Tom ray Hunt tells me
that many years ago y'all rode together.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Y'all were partners at HPD.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Oh yeah, night shift on the West Side. We had
some rowdy timestand man, wow.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I said, I said, tell me some interesting things about it,
and he said, he's just a calm transplant from some
Yankee state. I can't recall which one. I think we
rode T two O G eighties beat?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Is that right? G eighties? How do you say that?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yep? Yeah, yeah, twenty Georgia, yup, north end of of
this city up there, Yeah where west time Mari area,
all the way out to the city limits back then?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Oh oh no, no, no, that's a different He's told
me about different areas that he worked over the years.
So you go on this trip with your son three months,
you know, nobody thinks to do that. What most people
would have said is when you get back, you'll have
some great stories to tell me. So when you get back,
let's let's take some time how did you have three months?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Had you retired by that time?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I had just retired in two thousand and eight. I
went into work one day and it looked around he
had twenty eight years with HPD, and I'm like, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
You get to the point, you know, when you've had enough.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And you know, at that many years, we were settled.
DeBie and I had a house up here and Willis
and she had retired already, and the kids are getting older.
I mean, you know, Joe was not eighteen nineteen then,
and I says, we lost a lot of time with
our kids because we worked so much. So you know,
you can't make it up, but you could do with them,
but you can't. And that's what happened with the decision
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trip with Joe. He was the only one out of
five kids that really loved the outdoors like I did,
and we decided after he graduated from high school, I
was going to go fishing for the first year. I
told my wife. She said, well, you're a fisher, Hollis,
just go, but you're taking him with you. I'm like, yeah,
I know so. But he had herself pretty bad falling
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out a piece of glass way prior to that, and
he had severed his arterytendance, nerves and everything in his hand.
And he called me, you know his dad, Dad, my
wrist is cutting, blet is square. I got my wrist,
I said, Joe, get your friends to put a tourniquet
out there and rush you to the emergency room. So
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that was the beginning of his rehab and his journey.
Also because he was already pre enlisted in the Marine
Corps and he figured, I'm done. I'm going to be
a cripple my whole life. Because the wound was severe
or terrible. And the surgeon that put his hand back together,
(09:24):
how can there be a microsurgeon on call at four
o'clock in the morning, And so this poor kids handback together, nurves, paries, tendons,
ligaments and everything. And there was actually no record in
the books of who the surgeon was. So I look
at it. I look at it as an angel putting
that kid's hand back together and given a chance in life.
(09:45):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I would love to find out who that hand surgeon was.
When would this have been and where this was.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
See graduated high school in two thousand and eight, so it'd
be two thousand and eight, and it would be about
six months prior to us going fishing. We started fishing
in the May June, so that would be, uh, that
be timeline.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Hold on, so that's May June of nine. Has he
graduated because he's graduated at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
He graduated on eight. Okay, so you got to back up,
back up about six months, seven months prior to that,
so it would be beginning of the beginning of eight.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And where was the surgeon? Where was the surgery performed?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
From my knowledge, they took them to Ben Tob and
from there we're we're in panic mode. I didn't couldn't
even tell you. I've got I've got the medical record.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So okay, well there's your answer.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
You know, doctors have told me when you have a
severe trauma like that Ben Tobb is because they're doing
that all night long. I mean, if you've I've been
down there in the middle of the night's gunshots, knife things,
it's it's it's rough.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, I worked the ben Top night shift route there.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Then you know better than I do.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Those guys are adrenaline junkies, and those guys, those triosh
guys are amazing. I mean to think, what a toll
that takes on you. But you know that's there. That's
kind of their super Bowl. They're they're good at it.
They're amazing a professional reward. All right, So y'all start
the fishing trip. Tell me about that.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Well, prior to that, he had to go through rehab
because his hand was so messed up. So he had
to go to physical therapy and he had just a
wonderful nurse and I think he sort of fell in
love with her too, but that's a.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Whole nother story.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
And it got to the point that his hand was working,
but it wasn't working properly. So I decided I was
going to go fishing anyway, and Debbie and I decided
he's going to go. So I told him, get your
fishing rod, get your fly rod, get out in the backyard.
Let me see you cast it. And he was whining
about it. I'm like, I don't think I can't. I'm
gonna do it. You know, I don't play with my kids.
(11:54):
They get their hardcore. And he started doing it. He
started doing it. I said, okay, we're going load the
truck with everything he got and fishing, camping gear, Coleman stoves,
you know, all the fly rods and spinning rods and
everything you could imagine to go on a fishing trip.
But he had no idea that we're going to stay
gone from god Juneto. We got back mid October. It
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was almost four months by the time we got back,
and the first thing he says, where are we going
to go? Arkansas? I'm like, we're going to start there.
So we used to fight fish the White River in
Arkansas for trout and it was, you know, an amazing
place to fish because anybody can catch a fish there.
And that's how we started. And I had the whole
route planned out a year ahead of time for myself
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with the trout magazines of Fishing magazine, so I had
got the all the you know it itinerary to go
and I highlighted every place we're going to go. And
then while we were on our way, we loaded the
truck and left and Debbie waved goodbye to see you
guys later. And I don't think she knew how long
we're gonna stay gone.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So tell me about that trip.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Well, it's like I said, it started in Arkansas and
we fished nine states, most of them west of the Mississippi.
There was Arkansas, Naturally, Missouri, Oregon, Washington, Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Night, Arizona,
I'm not done yet, Arizona, Wyoming, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And we drove.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I drove most of the time of sixteen thousand miles.
Are you familiar with the Lewis and Clark expedition?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Of course, just do well.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
They only traveled eight thousand miles and.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
We doubled their Yeah, we doubled their.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Expedition, but they weren't doing it at eighty miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Hold on just a second. The book is called Fishing
with Joey. We're talking to a gold Star that Tom
Logan were.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Coming on the most dangerous places between Sheila Jackson Lee
and the camp and the Triple Crown weave is, you know,
tilted to the side, the leaning.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Tower of wea them.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
A retired HBD All spent three months with his son
Joey Logan before Joey would go off to serve in Afghanistan,
where he was deployed as a marine. That trip would
be the last. He wrote a book about it after
his son Joey Logan died in Afghanistan and.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
The book is called Fishing with Joey. You can find it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Wherever you buy your books, online, bookstores, you name it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So, Tom Logan, tell me.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
About the day and we'll come back to the trip itself.
But tell me about the day that you get the
awful news about your son.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, it's riveting.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
It's all. Like I say, we were at home the
ten thirty at night. But prior to that, in the morning,
Joe had called us from Afghanistan and he says, Hey,
I'm coming home in twenty eight days. I'm going to
take a truck and do all kinds of stuff. And
the main thing he said he was focused on, I'm
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going to go visit every living relative I have, from
grandparents to babies. And I'm like, Joe, that's impossible. You
can't do it in thirty days. See, I'm going to
do it. And the ironic thing that happened is every
living family member that we had at ten at his funeral.
How does that happen? I mean, it's impossible, But they came, came,
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he came home, and they came home to send him
to heaven, you know, And you know you just talked
to him that morning. Hey I'm coming home I can't wait.
You know, we're going to go fishing again. We got
all kinds of stuff to do. I hope. I was
planning on as I got older, him taking me somewhere,
you know, and that was our plan and never never
became tuition. So we get to knock on the door
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ten thirty at night and Debbie's looking out the window.
It's just there's two marines out there, and one looks
like Joey. I said, death. There's no way that can
be joe We just talked to him in Afghanistan. And
then the reality set him and we opened the door
and they, you know, they presented themselves and they presented
a paperwork and said Joey had been killed in the
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helicopter crash, and everything went spiraling downhill. From there. You're
in disbelief. You have no clue what your mind goes
through and where your senses go. It was just it
was devastating. You know. At that time, we had three
kids deployed. Tommy was in the Persian golf, Andy was
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marine course, she was flying drone somewhere, and Joey was
in combat find finding helicopters. So at first we didn't
know what happened to any of them, And then they
told us about joe.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
What happened.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
As far as the helicopter crash. You're saying, well, this
always controversy about that kind of stuff, you know. And
they're flying a resupply mission to a fob out in
the the on the desert out there, and the unit
that was out there was running along supplies. They had
didn't have hard to any food of water, and they
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could not come back in by road because the i
Eds and the Taliban were really intense out there. So
Joey and his crew it was a second second resupply
that night, flew out. The second time they drop off
supplies to them, and it was just a random, random resupply.
They'd done it hundreds of times. And there were two
helicopters went out. They go on pairs, and I talked
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to the other crew of the other helicopter and all
they said they saw a flash and then the helicopter
started coming out of the sky, hit the ground, exploded
and caught on fire. And that's that's that's the crash.
And we don't know if it was mechanical or enemy fire.
But Joey always talked about the golden bullet. It says,
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all you need is the right bullet in the right place,
then you've got problems mechanically. And he said that as
soon as we left base, there a Camp Leather at
Camp Bastion. We're catching ground fire from the time we
flew out to the time and came back, So anything
could have happened. And the Marine Corps, the Department of
Navy sent us a redacted a report of everything. And
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I have not read the whole thing yet because it's
too it's too intense, because you could imagine what happens
when you fall from four thousand feet and hit the
ground and explode, catching on fire, you know, So that
memory is forever in my mind. It's not going to
go away, you know. And six good marine died that night,
you know. And there was it was not just Joe,
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It's there was you know, the pilot which is Daniel
Bartle and Nathan McCone was a con pilot of both captains.
Master Sergeant Travis Riddick, he was master sergeant, had twenty
years he could have retired, he went back to Afghanistan.
Jesse Sipes was a corporal. Kevin Reinhert was a corporal
and Joe was a corporal and they love what they're doing.
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Joey called me one time from Afghanistan, Dad, guess what
I got the greatest job in the world. I'm like,
tell me what. Come on? And he says, I get
to fly around helicopters all day and all night, shoot
big guns and get paid for it. I might sink, Joe,
just get home. It's just enough. Is enough? You've fought
enough wars out there. In that last deployment, he was
the most flown observer aerial observer, which means he was
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on a fifty cal machine gun with two other corporals
giving ground support to the troops on the ground. And
he was awarded two Airwing Medals with Strike Flight, which
means he flew in that deployment seven months over forty
two combat missions. So he was running a gun and
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that many times, and god knows how many other missions.
He flew resupplies and they had special ops. I've talked
to some Marines and MARSAC guys. Yeah, those guys were
flying us all over the place. So those men, those
Marines were really intense, dedicated individuals, called Superman. They were heroes,
you know. So That's that's what it was all about.
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They they stepped forward there there was the less than
one percent of this country, and they said, I'm going
to do this for our country, our flag, our nation,
people of population here, and I wish more people would
understand that, you know, and show these guys some respect
and honor they deserve.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yah.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, And that's what I that's I think, that's
what the main reason for writing this book was because
there was a divine intervention with me because I'm not
that bright.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I might sound like I got a brain half the time,
is you know, a turn off. But I started journaling
from the first day, writing notes and journaling and remembering
stuff and you know, his military experiences, the fishing trip
and everything else. And to some of the wonderful people
over the last thirteen years, they have come into our
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lives and they still are helping, which is amazing that
there's so many great patriots, are so many great individuals
in this country that really care. And then that really
makes me feel good. Every day I wake up, I'm like,
what's the next email, who's the next phone call? I
call them miracles.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Hold on just a moment, Hold on, just a moment.
Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing
with Joey.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
This is not a war story.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
This is a story about grief and dealing with it
and making the most memories and will take.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It to that level coming up.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Joy and the girls all get pretty closing time when
you're listening to the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Make memories, folks, and you still can. You just don't know.
We're not promised tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
HPD officer Tom Logan had retired after twenty eight years
on the department. His wife twenty one retired to Willis, Texas.
His son, Joseph Joey Logan had just graduated in Willis,
Texas and signed up.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
For the Marines.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
He's headed off his dad and he go on a
three month cross country fishing trip across multiple states and countries,
and they made memories. His son would pass in a
helicopter crash in Afghanistan, and he began journaling about those
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what he called divine coincidences to deal with his grief,
and out of that came the book Fishing with Joey.
You can find it on Amazon or at any bookstore
or wherever else you buy your books.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Is there a website for this.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Book, Tom, Yeah, it's on Amazon. You see quick on
it and you just put in fishing for Joey and
it comes up for sale there in Amazon. I like
to say something about Amazon too. The book is in
the pretty much religious spiritual Christian book and Death and
Death and Grief this category and right now is sitting
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at number one as far as Amazon, and it's rated
at five stars. So I was, that's good, right, that
is amazing and nothing. It's a five star in this world, buddy,
it's always four and three eighths or whatever else or
a two.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
You are you are a five star gold star Dad.
I think it's fantastic that out of this grief you
managed to channel that into something that can help other people.
And and that's a very selfless act. Hard, I think
for some people to realize that. But I know you
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know that as as a law enforcement officer from a
family of service. I read that you're that you created
a Montana Mountain retreat out of this. Tell me about that.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Oh that was that's that's another miracle. I mean, Joey
and I fished so many places and after we came
out of British Columbia, we dropped down into Montana and
Libby Montana, and that's when I think he fell in
love with Montana and he just talked about it, talked
about a matter of fact, Daniel Borrow, the pilot, was
from Montana, so I think they both had conversations about
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Montana while they're flying and hanging out together. So Joey's
last phone call home that morning I was telling you
about earlier was all about buying property in Montana, building
cabins for his Marine Corps buds to come back and
just decompress and relax and enjoy the enjoy the wilderness.
And then you know, that night, we got the call
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and Debbie, my wife, said we need to do this
for Joey. That's his legacy. I'm like, Dad, it's really
hard for me to go back and retrace all those
places and all the memories were well up, and she said, oh,
we're doing it. So we ended up getting into We
went in a Toyota Corolla and drove all the way
back to Montana, talked to a couple of real estate
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agents and we finally found this beautiful piece of Montana wilderness,
one hundred and sixty five acres four miles up on
a mountain road in the middle of Lolo National Forest
and Lolo National Force. Surrounding our property is three thousand,
one hundred and fifty square miles of Montana Idaho wilderness.
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So's it's it's unbelievable that that happened. There's no there's
no possible way unless the hand of God just guided
is right to the place. And from there, we started
building six cabins and one in honor of each of
our fallen marines, and we've got five out of six
up and running. We've got one more to put up,
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and our goal is to get our combat veterans and
disabled veterans up there and let them enjoy what Joey
and I enjoyed and what we love and beautifuls off
the grid. A lot of times there's no cell phone
or internet reception, so you've got to enjoy your surroundings.
You can't be on the phone round the laptop, you know,
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connecting with the real world. And that's what it's all about.
Disconnect and relax and look at the stars at night,
look at the wilderness, go on a height. The Clark
Fork River is right down the mountain below us, and
there's fishing there kayaking, canoeing, all kinds outdoor activity. So
if you love the outdoors, it's a perfect place to
bring yourself, your fellow Marines, soldiers, Navy, and your families
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because we want to have a family orient because when
guys come back from the deployment, they're disconnected. They never
leave the war, and their families suffer. Their kids suffer,
their wife suffer. People don't understand the PTSD and everything
else that is wrapped up in their minds, plus the
physical physical injuries. It's a really hard road to tow.
Matter of fact, I'm going to a PTSD meeting every
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Tuesday at the Messodist Church in the Woodlands strictly for
combat PTSD veterans, and I guess I got grief. Grief
and PTSD tomet same things because all we do is
think about what happened. It's hard, it's hard to hard
to process. So that's why we're up there in Montana
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and we do it seasonally from end of May until
October before the snow starts hitting again. That we're back
to Texas working and stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Here.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I'm involved with a group called the PTSD Foundation of
America and residential facility called Camp Hope.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
And that's yeah, that's that's where these guys come from.
Camp Hope. Yeah, And I'm gonna I'm gonna go probably
hopefully this week or actually do a tour with them
and talk to their management up there and see if
they can figure out how to send a group of
guys up there.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Just a just a that's what I think. That's what
I was thinking. What a neat deal. One hundred and
sixty four acres next to the Lolo National Forest in
Montana and soon to be six cabins five so far.
That's uh, you know that that is really that's incredible.
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That y'all have been able to pull that off is incredible.
Two police officers and able to make this a reality.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Is man, It's just.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's it really is amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I have about a minute left.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Why don't you share with us how you deal with
what has to be crippling.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Grief? Have you learned some things that you can share
on that?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Yeah, and that I think that's the basic reason for
the book. I want to share what I do and
with other gold Star families all over the country, all
over the world, and it's finding something positive every day,
something that makes you happy. Relive the good memories and
bad memories will always be there. But take it upon
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yourself to enjoy every minute of your life. Enjoy your family,
your children, and the people that surround you that are
good people, and make it a celebration of their lives.
And that's that's what it's all about, as far as
I'm concerned, And every every day I get up, I've
got so many hobbies with the outdoors and hunting and
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fishing and stuff like that. And I was working with
Healing Water for a while, helping them build fly rods
or disabled vets and fishing and stuff like that. So
I always get involved with a like minded group and
people that they love their kids as much as we
love ours.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Thank you for telling your story. Thank you for your
family service. The book is called Fishing with Joey
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
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You can put this next segment into the burgeoning.
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Of do it today because tomorrow is not promised. Live
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around like a pinball, because it will be over before
you know it. Hug them tight while you got him.
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I received an email from a fellow that said, years ago,
your show assisted us in the death of our marine son,
Corporal Joseph Joey Logan. I recently released a book, Fishing
with Joey, which details our three month cross country fishing
trip before Joey was deployed to Afghanistan. During the trip,
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we covered sixteen thousand miles together. It was every father's
dream and little did I know that it would be
our last. Would your show be interested in featuring a
brief interview regarding the book and my experiences in becoming
a gold Star family member. Thank you for considering this
and of course for your previous assistance with our family situation. Sincerely,
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Palm Logan, Willis, Texas. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Tom, Thank you very much and an honor. And you
wouldn't believe emotions right now, It's amazing, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I would believe them.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I just can't understand them, and that is because I
haven't felt what you felt. I can only imagine, and
I suspect that what I imagine is one percent or
less is an exponential explosion of grief that you have
to have losing your son. We're not supposed to bury
our children. It's just not supposed to happen. No, it isn't,
(02:31):
but it happens, you know, war is Warren. The book
is called Fishing with Joey, And let's take it in
a timeline slowly, he's by piece. Let's talk about your son, Joey.
Tell me about him as a kid, when he was
a little fellow.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Joey was always that a personality. He had the opinion
about everything, just like his dad. And we had to
follow him back several times. You can imagine he was
actor even when he was younger. If he saw something
not right or wrong, or somebody's getting picked on, he
would step in and he got in trouble for a
few fights. But he was he was the He was
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the person that people respected and they didn't mess with.
And that followed on through his whole life. You know,
even in high school. I remember one time that the
new kid came into school and the regular thugs were
picking on him, and Joyce's come here, sit with me
at lunch, and they're not going to bother you again.
And they left him alone. So he hadn't He had
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a presence all the time, which is great.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And how did you come to find out that he
was going to join the Marines? Was this a surprise?
Is something he had talked about?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
No, it wasn't really surprised because just a brief story
of our family history, there were so many members in
our family that served in the military, probably on both
sides of the family. I mean, even going back to
the Civil War. My grandfather on the Italian side immigrated
from Italy prior to World War One.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He wanted to be.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
A citizen so bad that he enlisted in the Army
and went back to France and fought into battles and
the trenches. And then after that, dads, my dads and
uncles and his brothers and their brothers and everybody else
served him World War two, had uncles and relatives in Korea.
Mabby and I are Vietnam era veterans, and we had
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three children involved in the golf wurs when Joey passed away.
Was Joey, Tommy, my oldest son, who was in the Navy,
and Andy, my youngest daughter, was in the Marine Corps.
And plus my son.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
In law was in the Army.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
And then my daughter Andy's husband was also in the
Marine Corps. So we've been we've been up there on
the front lines quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And all of those entered the Marine Corps before Joey did.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
They were all about the same time. Tommy and Joey
were in a race to join the marine for army. Yeah,
it was. It was the wars were going on. It
was it was, it was active. Everything was going on
in Iraq and aghainstand.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And what was going to do. Sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
They knew what was going on, they knew what was there.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You know, what was going on in his life personally
when he makes the decision to join the Marines. Is
he working, is he home from school? Is he figuring
it out?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
He had just graduated high school. And I guess you
don't realize that your children listen to you and emulate
you their whole life, but you don't think they're paying attention.
But he saw what my wife and I did. We
you know, we we listed there the Vietnam War and
both of us served for the Houston Police Department. I
did twenty one years, twenty eight years, w twenty one years.
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So he was he was he was looking at something
to serve. He wanted to help, and and all of
a sudden he starts going to the recruiters that the
he depends. He decided, I'm gonna go on the Rine Corps.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
All right. Tom Logan is our guest. The book is
called Fishing with Joey.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Where I can't believe he just said that happens to
Michael Arry Show.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Tom Logan is our guest. His son, Green Corporal Joey Logan.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Was deployed to Afghanistan, where he died in a helicopter crash.
Prior to that, for three months, Tom Logan traveled across
the country, spending father sontime. He wrote a book about
what that time meant to him, called Fishing with Joey.
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And he is our guest. Tom ray Hunt tells me
that many years ago y'all rode together.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Y'all were partners at HPD.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Oh yeah, night shift on the West Side. We had
some rowdy timestand man, wow.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I said, I said, tell me some interesting things about it,
and he said, he's just a calm transplant from some
Yankee state. I can't recall which one. I think we
rode T two O G eighties beat?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Is that right? G eighties? How do you say that?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yep? Yeah, yeah, twenty Georgia, yup, north end of of
this city up there, Yeah where west time Mari area,
all the way out to the city limits back then?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Oh oh no, no, no, that's a different He's told
me about different areas that he worked over the years.
So you go on this trip with your son three months,
you know, nobody thinks to do that. What most people
would have said is when you get back, you'll have
some great stories to tell me. So when you get back,
let's let's take some time how did you have three months?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Had you retired by that time?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I had just retired in two thousand and eight. I
went into work one day and it looked around he
had twenty eight years with HPD, and I'm like, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
You get to the point, you know, when you've had enough.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And you know, at that many years, we were settled.
DeBie and I had a house up here and Willis
and she had retired already, and the kids are getting older.
I mean, you know, Joe was not eighteen nineteen then,
and I says, we lost a lot of time with
our kids because we worked so much. So you know,
you can't make it up, but you could do with them,
but you can't. And that's what happened with the decision
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trip with Joe. He was the only one out of
five kids that really loved the outdoors like I did,
and we decided after he graduated from high school, I
was going to go fishing for the first year. I
told my wife. She said, well, you're a fisher, Hollis,
just go, but you're taking him with you. I'm like, yeah,
I know so. But he had herself pretty bad falling
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out a piece of glass way prior to that, and
he had severed his arterytendance, nerves and everything in his hand.
And he called me, you know his dad, Dad, my
wrist is cutting, blet is square. I got my wrist,
I said, Joe, get your friends to put a tourniquet
out there and rush you to the emergency room. So
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that was the beginning of his rehab and his journey.
Also because he was already pre enlisted in the Marine
Corps and he figured, I'm done. I'm going to be
a cripple my whole life. Because the wound was severe
or terrible. And the surgeon that put his hand back together,
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how can there be a microsurgeon on call at four
o'clock in the morning, And so this poor kids handback together, nurves, paries, tendons,
ligaments and everything. And there was actually no record in
the books of who the surgeon was. So I look
at it. I look at it as an angel putting
that kid's hand back together and given a chance in life.
(09:45):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I would love to find out who that hand surgeon was.
When would this have been and where this was.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
See graduated high school in two thousand and eight, so it'd
be two thousand and eight, and it would be about
six months prior to us going fishing. We started fishing
in the May June, so that would be, uh, that
be timeline.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Hold on, so that's May June of nine. Has he
graduated because he's graduated at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
He graduated on eight. Okay, so you got to back up,
back up about six months, seven months prior to that,
so it would be beginning of the beginning of eight.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And where was the surgeon? Where was the surgery performed?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
From my knowledge, they took them to Ben Tob and
from there we're we're in panic mode. I didn't couldn't
even tell you. I've got I've got the medical record.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So okay, well there's your answer.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
You know, doctors have told me when you have a
severe trauma like that Ben Tobb is because they're doing
that all night long. I mean, if you've I've been
down there in the middle of the night's gunshots, knife things,
it's it's it's rough.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, I worked the ben Top night shift route there.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Then you know better than I do.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Those guys are adrenaline junkies, and those guys, those triosh
guys are amazing. I mean to think, what a toll
that takes on you. But you know that's there. That's
kind of their super Bowl. They're they're good at it.
They're amazing a professional reward. All right, So y'all start
the fishing trip. Tell me about that.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Well, prior to that, he had to go through rehab
because his hand was so messed up. So he had
to go to physical therapy and he had just a
wonderful nurse and I think he sort of fell in
love with her too, but that's a.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Whole nother story.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
And it got to the point that his hand was working,
but it wasn't working properly. So I decided I was
going to go fishing anyway, and Debbie and I decided
he's going to go. So I told him, get your
fishing rod, get your fly rod, get out in the backyard.
Let me see you cast it. And he was whining
about it. I'm like, I don't think I can't. I'm
gonna do it. You know, I don't play with my kids.
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They get their hardcore. And he started doing it. He
started doing it. I said, okay, we're going load the
truck with everything he got and fishing, camping gear, Coleman stoves,
you know, all the fly rods and spinning rods and
everything you could imagine to go on a fishing trip.
But he had no idea that we're going to stay
gone from god Juneto. We got back mid October. It
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was almost four months by the time we got back,
and the first thing he says, where are we going
to go? Arkansas? I'm like, we're going to start there.
So we used to fight fish the White River in
Arkansas for trout and it was, you know, an amazing
place to fish because anybody can catch a fish there.
And that's how we started. And I had the whole
route planned out a year ahead of time for myself
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with the trout magazines of Fishing magazine, so I had
got the all the you know it itinerary to go
and I highlighted every place we're going to go. And
then while we were on our way, we loaded the
truck and left and Debbie waved goodbye to see you
guys later. And I don't think she knew how long
we're gonna stay gone.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So tell me about that trip.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Well, it's like I said, it started in Arkansas and
we fished nine states, most of them west of the Mississippi.
There was Arkansas, Naturally, Missouri, Oregon, Washington, Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Night, Arizona,
I'm not done yet, Arizona, Wyoming, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And we drove.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I drove most of the time of sixteen thousand miles.
Are you familiar with the Lewis and Clark expedition?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Of course, just do well.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
They only traveled eight thousand miles and.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
We doubled their Yeah, we doubled their.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Expedition, but they weren't doing it at eighty miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Hold on just a second. The book is called Fishing
with Joey. We're talking to a gold Star that Tom
Logan were.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Coming on the most dangerous places between Sheila Jackson Lee
and the camp and the Triple Crown weave is, you know,
tilted to the side, the leaning.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Tower of wea them.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
A retired HBD All spent three months with his son
Joey Logan before Joey would go off to serve in Afghanistan,
where he was deployed as a marine. That trip would
be the last. He wrote a book about it after
his son Joey Logan died in Afghanistan and.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
The book is called Fishing with Joey. You can find it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Wherever you buy your books, online, bookstores, you name it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So, Tom Logan, tell me.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
About the day and we'll come back to the trip itself.
But tell me about the day that you get the
awful news about your son.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, it's riveting.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
It's all. Like I say, we were at home the
ten thirty at night. But prior to that, in the morning,
Joe had called us from Afghanistan and he says, Hey,
I'm coming home in twenty eight days. I'm going to
take a truck and do all kinds of stuff. And
the main thing he said he was focused on, I'm
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going to go visit every living relative I have, from
grandparents to babies. And I'm like, Joe, that's impossible. You
can't do it in thirty days. See, I'm going to
do it. And the ironic thing that happened is every
living family member that we had at ten at his funeral.
How does that happen? I mean, it's impossible, But they came, came,
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he came home, and they came home to send him
to heaven, you know, And you know you just talked
to him that morning. Hey I'm coming home I can't wait.
You know, we're going to go fishing again. We got
all kinds of stuff to do. I hope. I was
planning on as I got older, him taking me somewhere,
you know, and that was our plan and never never
became tuition. So we get to knock on the door
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ten thirty at night and Debbie's looking out the window.
It's just there's two marines out there, and one looks
like Joey. I said, death. There's no way that can
be joe We just talked to him in Afghanistan. And
then the reality set him and we opened the door
and they, you know, they presented themselves and they presented
a paperwork and said Joey had been killed in the
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helicopter crash, and everything went spiraling downhill. From there. You're
in disbelief. You have no clue what your mind goes
through and where your senses go. It was just it
was devastating. You know. At that time, we had three
kids deployed. Tommy was in the Persian golf, Andy was
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marine course, she was flying drone somewhere, and Joey was
in combat find finding helicopters. So at first we didn't
know what happened to any of them, And then they
told us about joe.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
What happened.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
As far as the helicopter crash. You're saying, well, this
always controversy about that kind of stuff, you know. And
they're flying a resupply mission to a fob out in
the the on the desert out there, and the unit
that was out there was running along supplies. They had
didn't have hard to any food of water, and they
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could not come back in by road because the i
Eds and the Taliban were really intense out there. So
Joey and his crew it was a second second resupply
that night, flew out. The second time they drop off
supplies to them, and it was just a random, random resupply.
They'd done it hundreds of times. And there were two
helicopters went out. They go on pairs, and I talked
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to the other crew of the other helicopter and all
they said they saw a flash and then the helicopter
started coming out of the sky, hit the ground, exploded
and caught on fire. And that's that's that's the crash.
And we don't know if it was mechanical or enemy fire.
But Joey always talked about the golden bullet. It says,
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all you need is the right bullet in the right place,
then you've got problems mechanically. And he said that as
soon as we left base, there a Camp Leather at
Camp Bastion. We're catching ground fire from the time we
flew out to the time and came back, So anything
could have happened. And the Marine Corps, the Department of
Navy sent us a redacted a report of everything. And
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I have not read the whole thing yet because it's
too it's too intense, because you could imagine what happens
when you fall from four thousand feet and hit the
ground and explode, catching on fire, you know, So that
memory is forever in my mind. It's not going to
go away, you know. And six good marine died that night,
you know. And there was it was not just Joe,
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It's there was you know, the pilot which is Daniel
Bartle and Nathan McCone was a con pilot of both captains.
Master Sergeant Travis Riddick, he was master sergeant, had twenty
years he could have retired, he went back to Afghanistan.
Jesse Sipes was a corporal. Kevin Reinhert was a corporal
and Joe was a corporal and they love what they're doing.
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Joey called me one time from Afghanistan, Dad, guess what
I got the greatest job in the world. I'm like,
tell me what. Come on? And he says, I get
to fly around helicopters all day and all night, shoot
big guns and get paid for it. I might sink, Joe,
just get home. It's just enough. Is enough? You've fought
enough wars out there. In that last deployment, he was
the most flown observer aerial observer, which means he was
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on a fifty cal machine gun with two other corporals
giving ground support to the troops on the ground. And
he was awarded two Airwing Medals with Strike Flight, which
means he flew in that deployment seven months over forty
two combat missions. So he was running a gun and
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that many times, and god knows how many other missions.
He flew resupplies and they had special ops. I've talked
to some Marines and MARSAC guys. Yeah, those guys were
flying us all over the place. So those men, those
Marines were really intense, dedicated individuals, called Superman. They were heroes,
you know. So That's that's what it was all about.
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They they stepped forward there there was the less than
one percent of this country, and they said, I'm going
to do this for our country, our flag, our nation,
people of population here, and I wish more people would
understand that, you know, and show these guys some respect
and honor they deserve.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yah.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, And that's what I that's I think, that's
what the main reason for writing this book was because
there was a divine intervention with me because I'm not
that bright.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I might sound like I got a brain half the time,
is you know, a turn off. But I started journaling
from the first day, writing notes and journaling and remembering
stuff and you know, his military experiences, the fishing trip
and everything else. And to some of the wonderful people
over the last thirteen years, they have come into our
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lives and they still are helping, which is amazing that
there's so many great patriots, are so many great individuals
in this country that really care. And then that really
makes me feel good. Every day I wake up, I'm like,
what's the next email, who's the next phone call? I
call them miracles.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Hold on just a moment, Hold on, just a moment.
Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing
with Joey.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
This is not a war story.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
This is a story about grief and dealing with it
and making the most memories and will take.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It to that level coming up.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Joy and the girls all get pretty closing time when
you're listening to the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Make memories, folks, and you still can. You just don't know.
We're not promised tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
HPD officer Tom Logan had retired after twenty eight years
on the department. His wife twenty one retired to Willis, Texas.
His son, Joseph Joey Logan had just graduated in Willis,
Texas and signed up.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
For the Marines.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
He's headed off his dad and he go on a
three month cross country fishing trip across multiple states and countries,
and they made memories. His son would pass in a
helicopter crash in Afghanistan, and he began journaling about those
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what he called divine coincidences to deal with his grief,
and out of that came the book Fishing with Joey.
You can find it on Amazon or at any bookstore
or wherever else you buy your books.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Is there a website for this.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Book, Tom, Yeah, it's on Amazon. You see quick on
it and you just put in fishing for Joey and
it comes up for sale there in Amazon. I like
to say something about Amazon too. The book is in
the pretty much religious spiritual Christian book and Death and
Death and Grief this category and right now is sitting
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at number one as far as Amazon, and it's rated
at five stars. So I was, that's good, right, that
is amazing and nothing. It's a five star in this world, buddy,
it's always four and three eighths or whatever else or
a two.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
You are you are a five star gold star Dad.
I think it's fantastic that out of this grief you
managed to channel that into something that can help other people.
And and that's a very selfless act. Hard, I think
for some people to realize that. But I know you
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know that as as a law enforcement officer from a
family of service. I read that you're that you created
a Montana Mountain retreat out of this. Tell me about that.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Oh that was that's that's another miracle. I mean, Joey
and I fished so many places and after we came
out of British Columbia, we dropped down into Montana and
Libby Montana, and that's when I think he fell in
love with Montana and he just talked about it, talked
about a matter of fact, Daniel Borrow, the pilot, was
from Montana, so I think they both had conversations about
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Montana while they're flying and hanging out together. So Joey's
last phone call home that morning I was telling you
about earlier was all about buying property in Montana, building
cabins for his Marine Corps buds to come back and
just decompress and relax and enjoy the enjoy the wilderness.
And then you know, that night, we got the call
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and Debbie, my wife, said we need to do this
for Joey. That's his legacy. I'm like, Dad, it's really
hard for me to go back and retrace all those
places and all the memories were well up, and she said, oh,
we're doing it. So we ended up getting into We
went in a Toyota Corolla and drove all the way
back to Montana, talked to a couple of real estate
(25:03):
agents and we finally found this beautiful piece of Montana wilderness,
one hundred and sixty five acres four miles up on
a mountain road in the middle of Lolo National Forest
and Lolo National Force. Surrounding our property is three thousand,
one hundred and fifty square miles of Montana Idaho wilderness.
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So's it's it's unbelievable that that happened. There's no there's
no possible way unless the hand of God just guided
is right to the place. And from there, we started
building six cabins and one in honor of each of
our fallen marines, and we've got five out of six
up and running. We've got one more to put up,
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and our goal is to get our combat veterans and
disabled veterans up there and let them enjoy what Joey
and I enjoyed and what we love and beautifuls off
the grid. A lot of times there's no cell phone
or internet reception, so you've got to enjoy your surroundings.
You can't be on the phone round the laptop, you know,
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connecting with the real world. And that's what it's all about.
Disconnect and relax and look at the stars at night,
look at the wilderness, go on a height. The Clark
Fork River is right down the mountain below us, and
there's fishing there kayaking, canoeing, all kinds outdoor activity. So
if you love the outdoors, it's a perfect place to
bring yourself, your fellow Marines, soldiers, Navy, and your families
(26:27):
because we want to have a family orient because when
guys come back from the deployment, they're disconnected. They never
leave the war, and their families suffer. Their kids suffer,
their wife suffer. People don't understand the PTSD and everything
else that is wrapped up in their minds, plus the
physical physical injuries. It's a really hard road to tow.
Matter of fact, I'm going to a PTSD meeting every
(26:49):
Tuesday at the Messodist Church in the Woodlands strictly for
combat PTSD veterans, and I guess I got grief. Grief
and PTSD tomet same things because all we do is
think about what happened. It's hard, it's hard to hard
to process. So that's why we're up there in Montana
(27:10):
and we do it seasonally from end of May until
October before the snow starts hitting again. That we're back
to Texas working and stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Here.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I'm involved with a group called the PTSD Foundation of
America and residential facility called Camp Hope.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
And that's yeah, that's that's where these guys come from.
Camp Hope. Yeah, And I'm gonna I'm gonna go probably
hopefully this week or actually do a tour with them
and talk to their management up there and see if
they can figure out how to send a group of
guys up there.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Just a just a that's what I think. That's what
I was thinking. What a neat deal. One hundred and
sixty four acres next to the Lolo National Forest in
Montana and soon to be six cabins five so far.
That's uh, you know that that is really that's incredible.
(28:02):
That y'all have been able to pull that off is incredible.
Two police officers and able to make this a reality.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Is man, It's just.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's it really is amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I have about a minute left.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Why don't you share with us how you deal with
what has to be crippling.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Grief? Have you learned some things that you can share
on that?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Yeah, and that I think that's the basic reason for
the book. I want to share what I do and
with other gold Star families all over the country, all
over the world, and it's finding something positive every day,
something that makes you happy. Relive the good memories and
bad memories will always be there. But take it upon
(29:00):
yourself to enjoy every minute of your life. Enjoy your family,
your children, and the people that surround you that are
good people, and make it a celebration of their lives.
And that's that's what it's all about, as far as
I'm concerned, And every every day I get up, I've
got so many hobbies with the outdoors and hunting and
(29:20):
fishing and stuff like that. And I was working with
Healing Water for a while, helping them build fly rods
or disabled vets and fishing and stuff like that. So
I always get involved with a like minded group and
people that they love their kids as much as we
love ours.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Thank you for telling your story. Thank you for your
family service. The book is called Fishing with Joey
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