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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's Charlie from BlackBerry Smoking. I can feel a good
one coming on. It's the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yes it is, Yes, it is honored if you would
let us into your life to join the show today.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, I know you hate when I do this, but
I need to cut in here because.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I don't want to run out of time this league.
I know some of you really like the Sonic branding.
You like the the you know that's that's the kickoff
to you Friday drive home. Hey, let me tell you
something from me to you, my heart to yours. If
you just busted butt for a week and you just finished,
and you just walked out of the construction site or
the warehouse or the school where you teach, or clean
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the floors for that matter, because we got those listeners too,
Or if you just parked your eighteen wheeler after a
long haul, or maybe you just pulled over to to
catch a little shut eye for a while because you've
hit that number I forget what they call it, when
you've had your mount and now you have to shut
it down and sleep for a while. Or you just
finished your shift at the police department or the fire.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Station or the plant. Man, be proud of who you
are and what you've just done.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I hear a lot of folks because they feel comfortable
venting to me, and they feel like, Man, why do
I work so hard when the liberals are giving away
everything I work for? Why do I work so hard
when all I get is called a racist and all
these different things. Let me tell you something. Tune that
out sticks and stones. That's those people. I'm gonna tell
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you something. The reason to do the right thing and
bust butt, work hard and provide for your family, and
be a good employee or a good boss, and work
hard and be proud of the work you do. The
reason to do all that is not to make AOC proud.
It's not to make Jasmine Crockett proud, or Nancy Pelosi
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or Gavin Newsommer. Hey, Tim Wallas, you didn't really want
their approval.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You don't have it.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You got nothing but criticism from them. But if you
don't go stick your hand in the hole, they can't
bite you. You don't have to listen to what they
have to say about you. Because I'll bet if you're
anything like me. What you've got to say about them
is a whole hell of a lot worse than what
they've got to say about you. Don't let those people
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get to you. Those people do not in any way
diminish the sacrifices you make, the hard work you undertake,
the smart things you do, the strategic things you do,
the kind things you do. I feel so bad because
white people, especially black listeners and Hispanic listeners, doesn't bother
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them as bad because because they everybody's had somebody in
their family that's been pulling in in for a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
They're used to it.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They got thicker skin. But these sweet white people, they'll
email me, and you minorities know what I'm talking about,
and they'll email me and they say, how come them
to call me a racist? I've done this and I've
done this, and I don't think sweetheart, listen, they're not
calling you a racist because you're a racist.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
They're calling you a racist because it gets to you
and you're proving it right now. See.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
They're bad people, and their only way to sleep at
night is to keep you on your heels, to keep
you afraid to criticize it. This is a great opportunity
to say there, I say it, There, I say it. Ramon,
this is a great opportunity to take a moment and say,
damn it. Things are going great in this country. We
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are participating in a modern day revolution, a modern day revolution.
We're taking back our country. We're working hard. We're not
just electing Donald Trump. We're not just electing better people
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to office, local, county, state, federal. We're taking back our schools.
We're taking back our churches, but dead government. We're taking
back our own homes. As parents, we're being parents again.
We're teaching our kids our values. We're sharing our faith
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because we understand, we understand what's at stake.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
We are unashamed and fearless in speaking out and speaking up.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
We're more vocal. We're more proud. Yes, proud, pride go
up before the fall. That's a different form of pride.
That is boastfulness, that is immodesty, that is greed and
avarice and self dealing with narcissism.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I'm speaking of pride as in that emotion you have.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That when you see things of which you approve and
you care deeply about, you extol their virtues. You know
that very word has been co opted by different communities
to change the entirety of its meaning. Look, I'm not
your self help guru. I'm not your pick me up
drink or pill. I'm not your raw raw patriotism guy.
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Although I am all those things. I'm just a guy
trying to look out there, taking a lot of feedback
from a lot of you and saying, hey, wait a minute,
let me tell you something. Life's what happens when you're
on the what's the line, romon, Life's what happens while
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you're busy making other plans. People attribute that to John Lennon.
It's not those from nineteen sixty seven, before he heard
it in the seventies, it wasn't John Lennon.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay, I'm not gonna fight with you on this. Okay,
please don't ruin my moment.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Have in a moment, Please don't run it. But I'm
gonna tell you something. You're gonna look back on these days.
You're gonna look back on them, and I'd hate to
think you look back on these days and didn't enjoy
them while we were having them. I know a lot
of people it's like a sporting event, you know, if
we start celebrating the touchdown, the pick six, when we're
running it in we start celebrating on the fifteen yard line,
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then we won't remember the score. Or if we start celebrating,
we'll get lax and they'll come back and beat us.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
That's not what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I mean what you're doing is glorious. Take stock of it.
It's important we get some wins. It's important we get
some wins so we understand we can win. So many
of our people, not you, but the naive neighbor, the
independent voter, or the frustrated base voter. So many people
were demoralized, they'd had the fight sapped out of them.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
We have one.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
We are winning. These are good days.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Celebrate them, Enjoy these moments, share the successes, relish them.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Not because they're going to end. We're not going to
let them end.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
We're creating a better country, and when America's better, the
world is better. We're creating a better world, and that's
something to be proud of. You are part of that,
doing what you do the way you do it, taking
care of you and yours. Just take a moment and
be proud of yourself because nobody else is going to
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tell you to.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This is the Michael Berry Show Show.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
If you were to ask every day American, you're one
of the everyday Americans. But the everyday American is a
lot less politically connected and informed than you are. But
if you were to ask the everyday American what do
you care about? If you watch television, you'd think the
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everyday American is very, very, very very concerned about men
who think they're women and women who think they're men,
and making sure that taxpayers are paying for them to
lop off their wienie and get a bunch of hormones
and dance around little children and take every job, and
for boys to go into girls locker rooms, and for
boys to compete against girls to the point that they
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injure them.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And that when these trainees rape children, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Let's not judge trainees, and let's make sure the trainees
can kill as many children praying as possible, and please
don't misgender them. Those are the kind of things you'd
think people care about. But there is what Nixon called
a silent majority.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
There is.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
A the vast.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Majority of Americans, and I think it's above sixty percent
on most issues. I think it may approach seventy percent
care deeply about certain things, and getting the drug cartels
out of our country and getting fentanyl in their drugs
out of our country. That matters deeply to Americans, and
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that's part of why there are a number of Republicans
who've changed their position on marijuana because they understand the
drug that scares us. Least keep it out of the
hands of kids, and stop smoking it in public. It
pisses people off. You know, marijuana users are their own
worst enemy. What they ought to do is self regulate.
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If you're ever in a public place, and if you
go to Colorado, you're gonna see it. In California, you're
gonna see it. If you're ever in a public place
and you smell marijuana, people ought to go grab that
guy by the ear and drag him out of the place.
You're ruining it for everybody. Do you know how many
of our listeners tell me, Hey, I'd be okay with
legalizing it or at least decriminalizing it, but they smoke
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it in public. Well, places that are serious about it
just prevent it being smoked in public. That's not that
hard to do. It's not that hard to enforce because
it smells rancid burning rope is a nice way to say,
there's a whole lot worse than that. It smells filthy
and nasty and awful. Stop doing it in public, period,
end the story. When you do that, then people won't
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mind you smoking your pot. But oh no, no, we
got to smoke in public because we couldn't for so long.
Now we have to show that we can.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And so what do you do? You lose everything like
a child, Like a darned child. I want to take.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Stock for a moment, because you can't manage what you
can't measure, and I want to talk about what the
cab It secretaries are doing, some of whom I've been
very critical of in the past, and by the way,
I will be again. I am in a very different position, mindset,
and job than many of you. And if you think
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I'm a guy who is going to say, well, that
guy's a Republican, so let's root for him. Don't criticize him, Michael,
just criticize the Democrats. That's how you get in trouble,
and you end up with a guy like John Cornyn,
who kept getting re elected He's not going to again,
who kept getting re elected because he'd come home and tell.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You he was just like you.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Boy.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
He laid loves the Lord and boots and cowboy hats
and dust and a six shoot, a pill, pill and everything.
Maybe you have a steak, good quality toilet paper rolled
the right way, not the wrong way. And then he
get to DC and cut deals with Democrats and people
didn't want me criticizing it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Now people have had enough. We're going to send him away.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
But when you take stop of this cabinet Toolsey Gabbert
is doing great work. Pete Hag said that what's going
to also be known in the Department of Defense as
the Department of War as it once was. He's telling
our warriors, hey man, we got your back. We may
have to send you to war. We hope we don't
because we're not the war miners the other side is.
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But when we do, we're going to have your back,
and we're not going to have some fat lesbian woman
that can't carry her weight. They're besides you to risk
your life. We're going to have soldiers and warriors and
sailors and marines and corman We're going to have We're
going to have folks that are just as good as you.
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Just as trained as you, just as prepared as you,
with the best equipment in the world to fight war.
We hope we don't have to, but when we do,
we're there to win. That's what our men and women
in uniform want to hear. They didn't sign up for
a DEI course, they didn't sign up for the runt
in the group. This ain't an AA meeting. This ain't
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some you know, losers are us? Well, I thought I
was a boy.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Now I'm a girl.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So I've colored my hair green, put a bout to
my nose, sticks through my ear, and I put forty
hats on my face.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Do you all love me or hate me? What do
y'all think?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Oh? We love you?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
What's the name we should call you? And what are
your pronouns?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Have I'm decided?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I think I might be a furry. That's what our
military had become. That's nonsense.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
That's gotta stop. That's got to stop.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And I'll tell you what Trump has done is not
only get good people to serve. He's pulled in people
who are untraditional. The Mike Pences were done with them.
I didn't like Mike Pence as his vice presidential candidate,
running mate the first time, because Pence is one of
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those guys that we have seen for a long time.
Let me tell you who Pence was. Pence was a
guy who gets his haircut every week. Always that hair's
always got to be taken care of, gets his nails
polished the whole thing, gets his shoes downstairs in the
below the Capitol building, has the right color blue suit
and the right red tie, and he'll have his American flag,
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and he'll come into every meeting and say I love
God and I oppose abortion. They go amen, all right,
and then he goes out and doesn't do a damn thing,
loses every battle to the Democrats, and doesn't care. I
love God and I oppose abortion, okay, and never even
actually tried to get abortion stop. It's just that's all
he'd ever say. And everybody thought, well, he's just like me.
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He opposes abortion. Yeah, but he's not doing anything else.
He's not even really opposing abortion.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
What Trump has done is pull.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But you know, he gets a lot of criticism over
pulling people that have been on TV at Fox. But
you know what's noticed, you know, I've noticed about all this.
There are people who know how to conduct themselves in
front of a camera. Janine Piro is good in front
of a camera. Pete Hegg said good in front of
a camera. Marco Rubio has turned out to be pretty
good in front of a camera. Of course, he spent
some time there before that. Christy Knowaan, she's made up
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and ready in the whole image. And you know, the
only one that's not good in front of a camera
is Homan. And because he's so bad, it makes him great.
If he was any better, he'd be worse because he's
so authentic and raw. He's got a little speech in Pediman.
He's fat, kind of slur I mean, kind of has
a loo Hult single on and you're like, yeah, that
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guy's kicking the legals out of here.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Get after him. And that's exactly what I want.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I mean, there's a certain old fashioned Old West lawman
to him. I just want to say, I'm very proud
of this cabinet. I'm very proud of him. The Michael
Berry Show, Michael Berry Show, Well, the illegal alien dependent
detention centers are popping up all over it. There is
the corn Husker and Clink in Nebraska, and now the
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Louisiana lock Up opening on the grounds of Angola Prison,
which was once dubbed the bloodiest prison in the South.
Partner Homeland Security says it will house some of the
worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens. Louisiana Lockup is
the latest facility to be converted into an ICE attention facility,
after the aforementioned corn Husker Clink and Alligator Alcatraz in Florida.
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I think they're opening another one in Florida and the
Speedway Slammer in Indiana. The Louisiana Lockup story from Fox News.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
We are right outside the notorious and Gola Prison here
in Louisiana. A section of this prison is going to
be turned into an ICED attention facility and it's going
to be called Louisiana Lockup.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Fox is the.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
First to report that fifty one illegal migrants have already
been moved toier. Louisiana Lockup is going to hold up
to four hundred and sixteen beds. The Department of Homeland
Security says they've partnered with the state of Louisiana. They
are using this unused section of the prison to detain
and deport some of the worst of the worst illegal migrants. Now,
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Angola is the largest maximum security prison in the country.
It was once named the bloodiest prison in the South
for its harsh conditions in the nineteen sixties. Louisiana Lockup
is funded by the Big Beautiful Bill, which gave ICE
an additional eighty thousand detention beds to help ramp up deportations.
DHS Secretary Christy Nomes sent us this statement, quote, thank
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you to Governor Landry for his partnership to help remove
the worst of the worst out of our country. If
you are in America illegally, you could find yourself in
Seacott Cornhusker, Clink, Speedway Slammer, or Louisiana Lockup, avoid arrest
and self deport now using the CBP home map. And
Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry said quote, criminal illegal aliens beware,
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Louisiana Lockup is where your time in America ends. Louisiana
Lockup will give ICE the space needs to lock up
some of the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens,
and DHS says they will be housing a violent illegal
migrants like these recently arrested by ICE New Orleans, including murderers, rapists,
and traffickers. Take a look at this twenty two year old,
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a legal migrant from Honduras, recently arrested in March. He
had warrants for three hundred ninety four counts of pornography
involving juveniles and two counts of sexual abuse of an animal. Again,
it is illegal migrants like that that DHS says will
end up here in the Louisiana lock Up. Later this afternoon,
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the DHS Secretary Governor and Attorney General, Pam Bondi, will
be here to make this formal announcement.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
My momma, I could see this as a category on
Jeopardy Ice deporte, ice detention facility nicknames. They give you
the state, you have to give the nickname. So you've
got the Louisiana Lockup, the Alligator Alcatraz. Speaking of the
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corn Husker Clink in Nebraska, you've heard.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
About Alligator Alcatraz. Here in Texas, we love Lone Star Lockup.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Now eligal aliens headed to the Midwest, Get ready for.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
The corn Husker clean.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Oh no, not another dinner made of corn going on
the cob can corn corn pudding?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
How much more corn can a man think? This is
purek porcher?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And if anyone thinks of escaping. Good luck.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Just wait until one of these jokers.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Want to try and escape My uncle Bart's farmbacks up
to the Cornhusker clink. Well, have a surprise for these guys.
Got the old John Deere out and created a corn
maze in the face of our great President Donald Jenny Trump.
They'll be lucky to get past his hair and coming soon.
The Pennsylvania Pokey, Kansas Cooler, Louisiana Lockdown.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
We could do one in every state. Be fun to
name it.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
The point is we got to get the bad people
out of this country who are in here illegally fighting
crime and restoring order. Feels like a kind of a
garage or barn. Find doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Get the keys, Let's fire it up, let's wash it down,
Let's make.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
This thing home again, or a renovation project with chipping Joanna,
I mean, it just makes you feel good. Our country's
coming back. You can walk the streets at night. There's
a pall that is cast upon a people when crime
runs rampant.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
The Louisiana lockup. Wouldn't that be the darnedest thing. If
Shirley c. Licker had a family member that was an
illegal alien. And they put this thing near Faraday or
Faraday as she says, and she had to go visit.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
You ground India if you are what's it in?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Say?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Will you be leaving from Orange, Texas? Orange?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Huh?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
And I need to go over at Ferriday Louisana verdon
f E r Ira I d A Wyre and it's
me and my nineteen.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Children's and we need to leave Monday morning. You were
leaving from Odessa, No Orange, You are eight O ra
A n g E Texas and my sister and her husband.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
Staying Ferdy and uh. She wanted us to come over there.
She been wanting us to come over. We just hadn't
went because of her attitudes.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Frankly, that's the problem is she just she won't to
ask for all. I don't know why she just gets
like that. But now she want to make up.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
So she'll say, well, y'all come out and with all
these children, I want to make sure of the price before.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I book it. Okay, you don't book tickets. You go
to the terminal at least one hour prior to buy
your tickets.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
How old are the children?
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Oh lord, listen, the youngest sweat is five oldest one about.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Seventeen okay, rising as an adult. The seventeen dude?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Uh huh?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And how about sixteen okay, ages two to eleven?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Ride as children?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think they're all under eleven?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay, ages two to eleven?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Give me the pints on neck okay, and I might
bring my good friend.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Why tooster drinkings from Mars to part so check for
two at doulk. If you have a calculator, what would
the total be for nineteen children?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Me?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And why tousta from urge to ferry to loser at bank? Okay?
Then I don't have a calculator with me. Just approximated
for me? Okay, y'all going around trip? Uh huh?
Speaker 7 (22:51):
Yeah, I guess I at least some of im want
to stay with her.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't care.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
If they want to stay at her house, that's fine.
But I'm only buying for round three.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Okay, for two of those, round trip will be two
hundred and four dollars. Oh lord, Okay, that's with the
adult two adults, uh huh?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Okay, with nineteen children round trip fifty one dollars times nineteen.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Here's what and that's how much it's gonna be how
much is that? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
I'm not very good with math. I don't have my
glasses on. How much would that be for approximately.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Nine hundred and sixty nine? Oh jeezu lord, Well, I'm
gonna have to call her and ask her what she's
study with me. I guess okay, And I don't need
to make a way. That's first class of coach. It's
no first class of coach in greyhound. It's first come
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for a third. Oh okay, then okay, thank you dollar
ha a good weekend. Tell you mommy and my asking house.
You're durnk okay.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Me or take me to Texas.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So talking about anything gets out.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Of this state, I think Michael Berry, Robins, Michael very Show,
I like it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
There are certain things from history that you don't just say, well,
that's history and move on. The Holocaust would be one
such example. The coronavirus and the quote unquote vaccine and
the mandatory jabs and the lives lost, the lockdowns. These
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are things you don't simply move on from.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You learn from. But before you can learn from.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Them, you have to you have to face painful realities,
and you have to pick at a wound that a
lot of people want to move on from That's not
how you progress. George sun Diana famously said, those who
do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to
repeat them. Often, the very people who want to quote
move on don't want to bear responsibility for what I happened.
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Nick Saban and other coaches will tell you that some
of the most important coaching you do of a team
is not during the team and during the game, but
after the game, when you come in and watch that
painful game film and you see what you did that
you hope nobody noticed, and how you.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Failed here and came up short there.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
It is very important that we go back and understand
what happened on January sixth of twenty twenty one. It's
important that we understand what happened and not be told
what happened by those with an agenda, but that we
do our own research and we ask questions of various people.
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One of the most important voices in all of that
who has seemingly been silenced officially is Stephen sund who
was the Capitol Police chief at that time on that day,
and he's our guest chief.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Welcome.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Thank you very much for having me on, Michael, let's.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Start with how you ended up the Capitol Police Chief
leave January sixth to side. I think you were a
Metro police officer in DC before that. Talk about your career.
Why did you get into law enforcement? Jeff, family in it,
and then just walk me through your whole career there.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Absolutely, I mean get the service succinctly as possible. So
I did twenty five years with the DC Police, and
I got into policing because my dad had actually gotten
sickly early on. He had got lacking in the heres
A B fifty two pilot. He had been sick for
a number of years, but passed away when I was sixteen.
So after we got back from the funeral, we just
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happen to be visited by two friends of ours that
we used to live with right nearby in California that
became Fremont Police officers Carolyn brad Brown Nania. We'll say
in touch today. They had reached out and came visit.
This was the same day that we had buried my dad,
and as a young sixteen year old, as a very
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part of my life, I looked at and said, you
know what I think, I know what I want to
do and from that point on I was pursuing. Around
twenty three, I applied to the couple different departments, but
DC Police picked me up. Started there right around twenty five.
By the time I went into the academy, got out
and patrolled as an officer and what they call the
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sixth District, which is Antacostia, one of the most violent
parts of Washington, d C. Was there for a couple
of years. Made sergeant, went to seventy, which is also
one of the most violent parts in Anacostia, South Anacostia,
down by South Capitol Street Congress Heights. Patrolled there for
a little bit and then started rising up through the ranks,
became a lieutenant and then I got signed Downtown for
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a little bit and went to Special Operations Division, where
I kind of stayed from lieutenant on doing all the
major events, major demonstrations in Washington.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
D C.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Made Captain inspector, being commander of the Special Operations Division
from twenty ten to twenty fifteen, and that's when I retired.
At the end of the very last day, December thirty first,
twenty fifteen. I retired with had the Pope come visit
in October and I'll figure out it's a good time
to head out. Went out, and you know, kind of
worked a little bit in the private sector for just
(28:12):
about eight months, and then the House and Senate Sergeant
Arms approached me to come over and become the assistant
chief of Operations for Capitol Police, and January seventh, I started.
Twenty seventeen, started at the US Capitol Police just a
few days before Trump's inauguration, and I'd been involved in
(28:32):
It's probably my fifth or sixth inauguration I've been involved
in planning of so they brought me in right before
that and was there, and then in May became the
May of twenty nineteen, became the chief and started revamping
a lot of operations and capabilities. And then January sixth
happened and I was removed from the position the very
next day by Spear Pelosi. And I'm sure our conversation
(28:55):
is going to cover a couple of things along.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
There, absolutely, but before that, let's set in place procedures
so we know the context within which we're working.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I was with Senator Cruz at.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
An event in Milwaukee a few years ago, and he
had a large contingent of Capital Police, and I learned
that those are a sign based on kind of death
threats and it's all on a screen, you know. And
it turns out he was getting more death threats than
Pelosi and every other member of Congress combined. And it
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was kind of interesting to me that that was you know,
that that unlike the president, which is kind of you know,
a designated secret service for the president. It was sort of,
where is the threat right now? It might be Jasmine
Crockett on Monday, it might be Ted Cruz on on Thursday,
or whoever that might be. But talk to me about
how the capital police chief is hired and to whom
they report and take orders.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Okay, and you're you're you're absolutely right about what you
just you just mentioned. We do statutory security details for
the leadership before on the House and the Senate side,
and then others based on the threat. So you're a
store right there. So the Capitol police chief, it's interesting,
it's not like any of the police chief in the country.
I report to a Capitol police board. They're the one
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that hire, hire, and fire me. We'll get into that too.
They're the ones that really have the hiring authority, but
they only do it with the approval of Senate leadership
and House leadership. So when I was first hired, you
had let's see, Schumer was over on the for the
chief's position, Humor was over on the Senate side, and
(30:33):
Polos who was on the House side, and they both
had to approve hiring for the position. So you go through,
and what's interesting to understand is the Capitol Police Board
is made up of for individuals, the House and Senate
sergeant Arms, who are considered to be the lead law
enforcement agent for the House and for the for the
and one for the Senate. So when you think of
the chief as the top law enforcement official for the
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legislative branch, I'm sorry. When you think of the chief
as the top law enforcement official for the legislative branch,
that's not the case. The Senate and the House starge
Arms actually are above me. The third person in the
Capitol Police Board is the Architect of the Capitol, and
then the fourth person is the Chief of Police. The
three people that are politically appointed, the House and Senate
sarge Arms, the ar extect and the Capitol all have
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a vote on how things go for the Capitol Police,
and they control everything from the schedules, which doors we cover,
which equipment we can use. If I want to get
my officer's tasers, I had to go to the Capitol
Police Board and get approval, and I had to go
to my overstc committee and get approval for them. If
I wanted to like deploy fencing, I got to go
to the Capitol Police Board. If I want to everything,
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pretty much all operations has to be approved by the
Capitol boase boards. That just gives you a little bit
of idea what I'm dealing with. Yeah, as the chief
it's very political. It's very political because they the House
and Senate serge and arms who carry mostly weight, don't
want to do anything that's going to upset their congressional leader.
So we may be having a hearing on the Supreme
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Court justice being nominated, and I want to put a
certain offending. Well, one side they want no fencing put up,
some protesters can come in, you know, problems, or you know,
the other side may want to shut down all the
buildings in public entries.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
So we don't think that's going to be a good
segue into our next discussion point. Our guest is Stephen
Sund who was the Chief of Police of the Capitol
Police on January sixth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
That fateful day.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
We'll talk about his perspective, which I bet you haven't
heard and may be surprised by coming up.
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's Charlie from BlackBerry Smoking. I can feel a good
one coming on. It's the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yes it is, Yes, it is honored if you would
let us into your life to join the show today.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, I know you hate when I do this, but
I need to cut in here because.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I don't want to run out of time this league.
I know some of you really like the Sonic branding.
You like the the you know that's that's the kickoff
to you Friday drive home. Hey, let me tell you
something from me to you, my heart to yours. If
you just busted butt for a week and you just finished,
and you just walked out of the construction site or
the warehouse or the school where you teach, or clean
(01:00):
the floors for that matter, because we got those listeners too,
Or if you just parked your eighteen wheeler after a
long haul, or maybe you just pulled over to to
catch a little shut eye for a while because you've
hit that number I forget what they call it, when
you've had your mount and now you have to shut
it down and sleep for a while. Or you just
finished your shift at the police department or the fire.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Station or the plant. Man, be proud of who you
are and what you've just done.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I hear a lot of folks because they feel comfortable
venting to me, and they feel like, Man, why do
I work so hard when the liberals are giving away
everything I work for? Why do I work so hard
when all I get is called a racist and all
these different things. Let me tell you something. Tune that
out sticks and stones. That's those people. I'm gonna tell
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you something. The reason to do the right thing and
bust butt, work hard and provide for your family, and
be a good employee or a good boss, and work
hard and be proud of the work you do. The
reason to do all that is not to make AOC proud.
It's not to make Jasmine Crockett proud, or Nancy Pelosi
(02:14):
or Gavin Newsommer. Hey, Tim Wallas, you didn't really want
their approval.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You don't have it.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You got nothing but criticism from them. But if you
don't go stick your hand in the hole, they can't
bite you. You don't have to listen to what they
have to say about you. Because I'll bet if you're
anything like me. What you've got to say about them
is a whole hell of a lot worse than what
they've got to say about you. Don't let those people
(02:43):
get to you. Those people do not in any way
diminish the sacrifices you make, the hard work you undertake,
the smart things you do, the strategic things you do,
the kind things you do. I feel so bad because
white people, especially black listeners and Hispanic listeners, doesn't bother
(03:04):
them as bad because because they everybody's had somebody in
their family that's been pulling in in for a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
They're used to it.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They got thicker skin. But these sweet white people, they'll
email me, and you minorities know what I'm talking about,
and they'll email me and they say, how come them
to call me a racist? I've done this and I've
done this, and I don't think sweetheart, listen, they're not
calling you a racist because you're a racist.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
They're calling you a racist because it gets to you
and you're proving it right now. See.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
They're bad people, and their only way to sleep at
night is to keep you on your heels, to keep
you afraid to criticize it. This is a great opportunity
to say there, I say it, There, I say it. Ramon,
this is a great opportunity to take a moment and say,
damn it. Things are going great in this country. We
(03:59):
are participating in a modern day revolution, a modern day revolution.
We're taking back our country. We're working hard. We're not
just electing Donald Trump. We're not just electing better people
(04:20):
to office, local, county, state, federal. We're taking back our schools.
We're taking back our churches, but dead government. We're taking
back our own homes. As parents, we're being parents again.
We're teaching our kids our values. We're sharing our faith
(04:40):
because we understand, we understand what's at stake.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
We are unashamed and fearless in speaking out and speaking up.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
We're more vocal. We're more proud. Yes, proud, pride go
up before the fall. That's a different form of pride.
That is boastfulness, that is immodesty, that is greed and
avarice and self dealing with narcissism.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I'm speaking of pride as in that emotion you have.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That when you see things of which you approve and
you care deeply about, you extol their virtues. You know
that very word has been co opted by different communities
to change the entirety of its meaning. Look, I'm not
your self help guru. I'm not your pick me up
drink or pill. I'm not your raw raw patriotism guy.
(05:41):
Although I am all those things. I'm just a guy
trying to look out there, taking a lot of feedback
from a lot of you and saying, hey, wait a minute,
let me tell you something. Life's what happens when you're
on the what's the line, romon, Life's what happens while
(06:01):
you're busy making other plans. People attribute that to John Lennon.
It's not those from nineteen sixty seven, before he heard
it in the seventies, it wasn't John Lennon.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay, I'm not gonna fight with you on this. Okay,
please don't ruin my moment.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Have in a moment, Please don't run it. But I'm
gonna tell you something. You're gonna look back on these days.
You're gonna look back on them, and I'd hate to
think you look back on these days and didn't enjoy
them while we were having them. I know a lot
of people it's like a sporting event, you know, if
we start celebrating the touchdown, the pick six, when we're
running it in we start celebrating on the fifteen yard line,
(06:35):
then we won't remember the score. Or if we start celebrating,
we'll get lax and they'll come back and beat us.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
That's not what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I mean what you're doing is glorious. Take stock of it.
It's important we get some wins. It's important we get
some wins so we understand we can win. So many
of our people, not you, but the naive neighbor, the
independent voter, or the frustrated base voter. So many people
were demoralized, they'd had the fight sapped out of them.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
We have one.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
We are winning. These are good days.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Celebrate them, Enjoy these moments, share the successes, relish them.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Not because they're going to end. We're not going to
let them end.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
We're creating a better country, and when America's better, the
world is better. We're creating a better world, and that's
something to be proud of. You are part of that,
doing what you do the way you do it, taking
care of you and yours. Just take a moment and
be proud of yourself because nobody else is going to
(07:50):
tell you to.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This is the Michael Berry Show Show.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
If you were to ask every day American, you're one
of the everyday Americans. But the everyday American is a
lot less politically connected and informed than you are. But
if you were to ask the everyday American what do
you care about? If you watch television, you'd think the
(08:22):
everyday American is very, very, very very concerned about men
who think they're women and women who think they're men,
and making sure that taxpayers are paying for them to
lop off their wienie and get a bunch of hormones
and dance around little children and take every job, and
for boys to go into girls locker rooms, and for
boys to compete against girls to the point that they
(08:43):
injure them.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And that when these trainees rape children, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Let's not judge trainees, and let's make sure the trainees
can kill as many children praying as possible, and please
don't misgender them. Those are the kind of things you'd
think people care about. But there is what Nixon called
a silent majority.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
There is.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
A the vast.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Majority of Americans, and I think it's above sixty percent
on most issues. I think it may approach seventy percent
care deeply about certain things, and getting the drug cartels
out of our country and getting fentanyl in their drugs
out of our country. That matters deeply to Americans, and
(09:37):
that's part of why there are a number of Republicans
who've changed their position on marijuana because they understand the
drug that scares us. Least keep it out of the
hands of kids, and stop smoking it in public. It
pisses people off. You know, marijuana users are their own
worst enemy. What they ought to do is self regulate.
(09:58):
If you're ever in a public place, and if you
go to Colorado, you're gonna see it. In California, you're
gonna see it. If you're ever in a public place
and you smell marijuana, people ought to go grab that
guy by the ear and drag him out of the place.
You're ruining it for everybody. Do you know how many
of our listeners tell me, Hey, I'd be okay with
legalizing it or at least decriminalizing it, but they smoke
(10:21):
it in public. Well, places that are serious about it
just prevent it being smoked in public. That's not that
hard to do. It's not that hard to enforce because
it smells rancid burning rope is a nice way to say,
there's a whole lot worse than that. It smells filthy
and nasty and awful. Stop doing it in public, period,
end the story. When you do that, then people won't
(10:41):
mind you smoking your pot. But oh no, no, we
got to smoke in public because we couldn't for so long.
Now we have to show that we can.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And so what do you do? You lose everything like
a child, Like a darned child. I want to take.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Stock for a moment, because you can't manage what you
can't measure, and I want to talk about what the
cab It secretaries are doing, some of whom I've been
very critical of in the past, and by the way,
I will be again. I am in a very different position, mindset,
and job than many of you. And if you think
(11:15):
I'm a guy who is going to say, well, that
guy's a Republican, so let's root for him. Don't criticize him, Michael,
just criticize the Democrats. That's how you get in trouble,
and you end up with a guy like John Cornyn,
who kept getting re elected He's not going to again,
who kept getting re elected because he'd come home and tell.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You he was just like you.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Boy.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
He laid loves the Lord and boots and cowboy hats
and dust and a six shoot, a pill, pill and everything.
Maybe you have a steak, good quality toilet paper rolled
the right way, not the wrong way. And then he
get to DC and cut deals with Democrats and people
didn't want me criticizing it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Now people have had enough. We're going to send him away.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
But when you take stop of this cabinet Toolsey Gabbert
is doing great work. Pete Hag said that what's going
to also be known in the Department of Defense as
the Department of War as it once was. He's telling
our warriors, hey man, we got your back. We may
have to send you to war. We hope we don't
because we're not the war miners the other side is.
(12:18):
But when we do, we're going to have your back,
and we're not going to have some fat lesbian woman
that can't carry her weight. They're besides you to risk
your life. We're going to have soldiers and warriors and
sailors and marines and corman We're going to have We're
going to have folks that are just as good as you.
(12:40):
Just as trained as you, just as prepared as you,
with the best equipment in the world to fight war.
We hope we don't have to, but when we do,
we're there to win. That's what our men and women
in uniform want to hear. They didn't sign up for
a DEI course, they didn't sign up for the runt
in the group. This ain't an AA meeting. This ain't
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some you know, losers are us? Well, I thought I
was a boy.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Now I'm a girl.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So I've colored my hair green, put a bout to
my nose, sticks through my ear, and I put forty
hats on my face.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Do you all love me or hate me? What do
y'all think?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Oh? We love you?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
What's the name we should call you? And what are
your pronouns?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Have I'm decided?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I think I might be a furry. That's what our
military had become. That's nonsense.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
That's gotta stop. That's got to stop.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And I'll tell you what Trump has done is not
only get good people to serve. He's pulled in people
who are untraditional. The Mike Pences were done with them.
I didn't like Mike Pence as his vice presidential candidate,
running mate the first time, because Pence is one of
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those guys that we have seen for a long time.
Let me tell you who Pence was. Pence was a
guy who gets his haircut every week. Always that hair's
always got to be taken care of, gets his nails
polished the whole thing, gets his shoes downstairs in the
below the Capitol building, has the right color blue suit
and the right red tie, and he'll have his American flag,
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and he'll come into every meeting and say I love
God and I oppose abortion. They go amen, all right,
and then he goes out and doesn't do a damn thing,
loses every battle to the Democrats, and doesn't care. I
love God and I oppose abortion, okay, and never even
actually tried to get abortion stop. It's just that's all
he'd ever say. And everybody thought, well, he's just like me.
(14:31):
He opposes abortion. Yeah, but he's not doing anything else.
He's not even really opposing abortion.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
What Trump has done is pull.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But you know, he gets a lot of criticism over
pulling people that have been on TV at Fox. But
you know what's noticed, you know, I've noticed about all this.
There are people who know how to conduct themselves in
front of a camera. Janine Piro is good in front
of a camera. Pete Hegg said good in front of
a camera. Marco Rubio has turned out to be pretty
good in front of a camera. Of course, he spent
some time there before that. Christy Knowaan, she's made up
(15:03):
and ready in the whole image. And you know, the
only one that's not good in front of a camera
is Homan. And because he's so bad, it makes him great.
If he was any better, he'd be worse because he's
so authentic and raw. He's got a little speech in Pediman.
He's fat, kind of slur I mean, kind of has
a loo Hult single on and you're like, yeah, that
(15:25):
guy's kicking the legals out of here.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Get after him. And that's exactly what I want.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I mean, there's a certain old fashioned Old West lawman
to him. I just want to say, I'm very proud
of this cabinet. I'm very proud of him. The Michael
Berry Show, Michael Berry Show, Well, the illegal alien dependent
detention centers are popping up all over it. There is
the corn Husker and Clink in Nebraska, and now the
(15:55):
Louisiana lock Up opening on the grounds of Angola Prison,
which was once dubbed the bloodiest prison in the South.
Partner Homeland Security says it will house some of the
worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens. Louisiana Lockup is
the latest facility to be converted into an ICE attention facility,
after the aforementioned corn Husker Clink and Alligator Alcatraz in Florida.
(16:21):
I think they're opening another one in Florida and the
Speedway Slammer in Indiana. The Louisiana Lockup story from Fox News.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
We are right outside the notorious and Gola Prison here
in Louisiana. A section of this prison is going to
be turned into an ICED attention facility and it's going
to be called Louisiana Lockup.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Fox is the.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
First to report that fifty one illegal migrants have already
been moved toier. Louisiana Lockup is going to hold up
to four hundred and sixteen beds. The Department of Homeland
Security says they've partnered with the state of Louisiana. They
are using this unused section of the prison to detain
and deport some of the worst of the worst illegal migrants. Now,
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Angola is the largest maximum security prison in the country.
It was once named the bloodiest prison in the South
for its harsh conditions in the nineteen sixties. Louisiana Lockup
is funded by the Big Beautiful Bill, which gave ICE
an additional eighty thousand detention beds to help ramp up deportations.
DHS Secretary Christy Nomes sent us this statement, quote, thank
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you to Governor Landry for his partnership to help remove
the worst of the worst out of our country. If
you are in America illegally, you could find yourself in
Seacott Cornhusker, Clink, Speedway Slammer, or Louisiana Lockup, avoid arrest
and self deport now using the CBP home map. And
Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry said quote, criminal illegal aliens beware,
(17:54):
Louisiana Lockup is where your time in America ends. Louisiana
Lockup will give ICE the space needs to lock up
some of the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens,
and DHS says they will be housing a violent illegal
migrants like these recently arrested by ICE New Orleans, including murderers, rapists,
and traffickers. Take a look at this twenty two year old,
(18:17):
a legal migrant from Honduras, recently arrested in March. He
had warrants for three hundred ninety four counts of pornography
involving juveniles and two counts of sexual abuse of an animal. Again,
it is illegal migrants like that that DHS says will
end up here in the Louisiana lock Up. Later this afternoon,
(18:38):
the DHS Secretary Governor and Attorney General, Pam Bondi, will
be here to make this formal announcement.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
My momma, I could see this as a category on
Jeopardy Ice deporte, ice detention facility nicknames. They give you
the state, you have to give the nickname. So you've
got the Louisiana Lockup, the Alligator Alcatraz. Speaking of the
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corn Husker Clink in Nebraska, you've heard.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
About Alligator Alcatraz. Here in Texas, we love Lone Star Lockup.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Now eligal aliens headed to the Midwest, Get ready for.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
The corn Husker clean.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Oh no, not another dinner made of corn going on
the cob can corn corn pudding?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
How much more corn can a man think? This is
purek porcher?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And if anyone thinks of escaping. Good luck.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Just wait until one of these jokers.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Want to try and escape My uncle Bart's farmbacks up
to the Cornhusker clink. Well, have a surprise for these guys.
Got the old John Deere out and created a corn
maze in the face of our great President Donald Jenny Trump.
They'll be lucky to get past his hair and coming soon.
The Pennsylvania Pokey, Kansas Cooler, Louisiana Lockdown.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
We could do one in every state. Be fun to
name it.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
The point is we got to get the bad people
out of this country who are in here illegally fighting
crime and restoring order. Feels like a kind of a
garage or barn. Find doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Get the keys, Let's fire it up, let's wash it down,
Let's make.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
This thing home again, or a renovation project with chipping Joanna,
I mean, it just makes you feel good. Our country's
coming back. You can walk the streets at night. There's
a pall that is cast upon a people when crime
runs rampant.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
The Louisiana lockup. Wouldn't that be the darnedest thing. If
Shirley c. Licker had a family member that was an
illegal alien. And they put this thing near Faraday or
Faraday as she says, and she had to go visit.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
You ground India if you are what's it in?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Say?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Will you be leaving from Orange, Texas? Orange?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Huh?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
And I need to go over at Ferriday Louisana verdon
f E r Ira I d A Wyre and it's
me and my nineteen.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Children's and we need to leave Monday morning. You were
leaving from Odessa, No Orange, You are eight O ra
A n g E Texas and my sister and her husband.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
Staying Ferdy and uh. She wanted us to come over there.
She been wanting us to come over. We just hadn't
went because of her attitudes.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Frankly, that's the problem is she just she won't to
ask for all. I don't know why she just gets
like that. But now she want to make up.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
So she'll say, well, y'all come out and with all
these children, I want to make sure of the price before.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I book it. Okay, you don't book tickets. You go
to the terminal at least one hour prior to buy
your tickets.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
How old are the children?
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Oh lord, listen, the youngest sweat is five oldest one about.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Seventeen okay, rising as an adult. The seventeen dude?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Uh huh?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And how about sixteen okay, ages two to eleven?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Ride as children?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think they're all under eleven?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay, ages two to eleven?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Give me the pints on neck okay, and I might
bring my good friend.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Why tooster drinkings from Mars to part so check for
two at doulk. If you have a calculator, what would
the total be for nineteen children?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Me?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And why tousta from urge to ferry to loser at bank? Okay?
Then I don't have a calculator with me. Just approximated
for me? Okay, y'all going around trip? Uh huh?
Speaker 7 (22:51):
Yeah, I guess I at least some of im want
to stay with her.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't care.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
If they want to stay at her house, that's fine.
But I'm only buying for round three.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Okay, for two of those, round trip will be two
hundred and four dollars. Oh lord, Okay, that's with the
adult two adults, uh huh?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Okay, with nineteen children round trip fifty one dollars times nineteen.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Here's what and that's how much it's gonna be how
much is that? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
I'm not very good with math. I don't have my
glasses on. How much would that be for approximately.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Nine hundred and sixty nine? Oh jeezu lord, Well, I'm
gonna have to call her and ask her what she's
study with me. I guess okay, And I don't need
to make a way. That's first class of coach. It's
no first class of coach in greyhound. It's first come
(23:50):
for a third. Oh okay, then okay, thank you dollar
ha a good weekend. Tell you mommy and my asking house.
You're durnk okay.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Me or take me to Texas.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So talking about anything gets out.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Of this state, I think Michael Berry, Robins, Michael very Show,
I like it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
There are certain things from history that you don't just say, well,
that's history and move on. The Holocaust would be one
such example. The coronavirus and the quote unquote vaccine and
the mandatory jabs and the lives lost, the lockdowns. These
(24:30):
are things you don't simply move on from.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You learn from. But before you can learn from.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Them, you have to you have to face painful realities,
and you have to pick at a wound that a
lot of people want to move on from That's not
how you progress. George sun Diana famously said, those who
do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to
repeat them. Often, the very people who want to quote
move on don't want to bear responsibility for what I happened.
(25:01):
Nick Saban and other coaches will tell you that some
of the most important coaching you do of a team
is not during the team and during the game, but
after the game, when you come in and watch that
painful game film and you see what you did that
you hope nobody noticed, and how you.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Failed here and came up short there.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
It is very important that we go back and understand
what happened on January sixth of twenty twenty one. It's
important that we understand what happened and not be told
what happened by those with an agenda, but that we
do our own research and we ask questions of various people.
(25:42):
One of the most important voices in all of that
who has seemingly been silenced officially is Stephen sund who
was the Capitol Police chief at that time on that day,
and he's our guest chief.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Welcome.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Thank you very much for having me on, Michael, let's.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Start with how you ended up the Capitol Police Chief
leave January sixth to side. I think you were a
Metro police officer in DC before that. Talk about your career.
Why did you get into law enforcement? Jeff, family in it,
and then just walk me through your whole career there.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Absolutely, I mean get the service succinctly as possible. So
I did twenty five years with the DC Police, and
I got into policing because my dad had actually gotten
sickly early on. He had got lacking in the heres
A B fifty two pilot. He had been sick for
a number of years, but passed away when I was sixteen.
So after we got back from the funeral, we just
(26:40):
happen to be visited by two friends of ours that
we used to live with right nearby in California that
became Fremont Police officers Carolyn brad Brown Nania. We'll say
in touch today. They had reached out and came visit.
This was the same day that we had buried my dad,
and as a young sixteen year old, as a very
(27:00):
part of my life, I looked at and said, you
know what I think, I know what I want to
do and from that point on I was pursuing. Around
twenty three, I applied to the couple different departments, but
DC Police picked me up. Started there right around twenty five.
By the time I went into the academy, got out
and patrolled as an officer and what they call the
(27:21):
sixth District, which is Antacostia, one of the most violent
parts of Washington, d C. Was there for a couple
of years. Made sergeant, went to seventy, which is also
one of the most violent parts in Anacostia, South Anacostia,
down by South Capitol Street Congress Heights. Patrolled there for
a little bit and then started rising up through the ranks,
became a lieutenant and then I got signed Downtown for
(27:43):
a little bit and went to Special Operations Division, where
I kind of stayed from lieutenant on doing all the
major events, major demonstrations in Washington.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
D C.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Made Captain inspector, being commander of the Special Operations Division
from twenty ten to twenty fifteen, and that's when I retired.
At the end of the very last day, December thirty first,
twenty fifteen. I retired with had the Pope come visit
in October and I'll figure out it's a good time
to head out. Went out, and you know, kind of
worked a little bit in the private sector for just
(28:12):
about eight months, and then the House and Senate Sergeant
Arms approached me to come over and become the assistant
chief of Operations for Capitol Police, and January seventh, I started.
Twenty seventeen, started at the US Capitol Police just a
few days before Trump's inauguration, and I'd been involved in
(28:32):
It's probably my fifth or sixth inauguration I've been involved
in planning of so they brought me in right before
that and was there, and then in May became the
May of twenty nineteen, became the chief and started revamping
a lot of operations and capabilities. And then January sixth
happened and I was removed from the position the very
next day by Spear Pelosi. And I'm sure our conversation
(28:55):
is going to cover a couple of things along.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
There, absolutely, but before that, let's set in place procedures
so we know the context within which we're working.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I was with Senator Cruz at.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
An event in Milwaukee a few years ago, and he
had a large contingent of Capital Police, and I learned
that those are a sign based on kind of death
threats and it's all on a screen, you know. And
it turns out he was getting more death threats than
Pelosi and every other member of Congress combined. And it
(29:26):
was kind of interesting to me that that was you know,
that that unlike the president, which is kind of you know,
a designated secret service for the president. It was sort of,
where is the threat right now? It might be Jasmine
Crockett on Monday, it might be Ted Cruz on on Thursday,
or whoever that might be. But talk to me about
how the capital police chief is hired and to whom
they report and take orders.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Okay, and you're you're you're absolutely right about what you
just you just mentioned. We do statutory security details for
the leadership before on the House and the Senate side,
and then others based on the threat. So you're a
store right there. So the Capitol police chief, it's interesting,
it's not like any of the police chief in the country.
I report to a Capitol police board. They're the one
(30:10):
that hire, hire, and fire me. We'll get into that too.
They're the ones that really have the hiring authority, but
they only do it with the approval of Senate leadership
and House leadership. So when I was first hired, you
had let's see, Schumer was over on the for the
chief's position, Humor was over on the Senate side, and
(30:33):
Polos who was on the House side, and they both
had to approve hiring for the position. So you go through,
and what's interesting to understand is the Capitol Police Board
is made up of for individuals, the House and Senate
sergeant Arms, who are considered to be the lead law
enforcement agent for the House and for the for the
and one for the Senate. So when you think of
the chief as the top law enforcement official for the
(30:54):
legislative branch, I'm sorry. When you think of the chief
as the top law enforcement official for the legislative branch,
that's not the case. The Senate and the House starge
Arms actually are above me. The third person in the
Capitol Police Board is the Architect of the Capitol, and
then the fourth person is the Chief of Police. The
three people that are politically appointed, the House and Senate
sarge Arms, the ar extect and the Capitol all have
(31:15):
a vote on how things go for the Capitol Police,
and they control everything from the schedules, which doors we cover,
which equipment we can use. If I want to get
my officer's tasers, I had to go to the Capitol
Police Board and get approval, and I had to go
to my overstc committee and get approval for them. If
I wanted to like deploy fencing, I got to go
to the Capitol Police Board. If I want to everything,
(31:38):
pretty much all operations has to be approved by the
Capitol boase boards. That just gives you a little bit
of idea what I'm dealing with. Yeah, as the chief
it's very political. It's very political because they the House
and Senate serge and arms who carry mostly weight, don't
want to do anything that's going to upset their congressional leader.
So we may be having a hearing on the Supreme
(31:59):
Court justice being nominated, and I want to put a
certain offending. Well, one side they want no fencing put up,
some protesters can come in, you know, problems, or you know,
the other side may want to shut down all the
buildings in public entries.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
So we don't think that's going to be a good
segue into our next discussion point. Our guest is Stephen
Sund who was the Chief of Police of the Capitol
Police on January sixth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
That fateful day.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
We'll talk about his perspective, which I bet you haven't
heard and may be surprised by coming up.
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