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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. Michael
Vari Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Before we begin, I'd like to do something important. I'd
like to acknowledge the land that were gathered on and
the first peoples who have gathered on this land, who
were and still are the stewards of this land.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
This country is going straight to hell.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
America is infected with a disease, and that disease is
called racism. It often is utilized to support economic benefits
of corporations, the economic benefits of those who use such
divisions in order for their personal profit. This country has
had a longstanding labor practice that is despicable at best.
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And so the idea of make America great again, we
don't see a country that it's gone wrong, in my opinion,
we see a country that has never been right.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You know, there are entire things that happened in this
administration that would be a hallmark achievement for other presidents,
and we never even mentioned them because we have so
many other things going on, and no one.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Calls us out on it.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Because there are so many things this president is doing.
He's like a man possessed.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I mean, who remembers that he federalized DC. It's already forgotten.
The man went in, they bulldozed all the trash and
got it all out of there and cleaned up DC.
Because he knew in a matter of hours he was
going to fly to Alaska to talk to Putin and
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then fly back and have Zelenski here and spank him
and tell him how to cawate to cabbage and what
was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And he wanted DC to look nice, not like some.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Democrat city that's just a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
It's already forgotten. And you know, he does these things.
It's so brilliant.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
The angles that he plays are so brilliant because he
creates situations with statements and actions that put the Democrats
in the position of having to defend the indefensible.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So when he says, hey, crime's too high, people.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Getting killed, it's filthy, they're homeless people everywhere. Everything is broken,
it looks it's blighted.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I'm going to fix it, and they have to run
out and go, no, you can't fix it. You can't
fix it. That's not right. We don't want it fixed.
You can't make it safe.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
And then they roll out to the police chief, bless
her heart, Deputy dumb ass, She's just dumb as she
can be.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And we all know why she's there. And it ain't.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
It ain't because she's a modern incantation of but for
t Pusser. So the cleanup underway, the deployment of the
National Guard. Pam Bondy a is head of the DC
Police Department, and then there's a press conference with the
Chief of Police Pamela Smith.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh she's a doozy.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So naturally somebody from the media asked, what the chain
of command is now that Pam Bondy is taken over?
Is it is it Pam Bondy the Attorney General who's
now the head of the police department, or is it
you the chief?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Believe what's the chain of command?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
It turns out the chief of police has no idea
what a chain of command is. I wonder what was
going through the police chief's head as the mayor bumped
her out of the way to answer a simple question.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Does what the chain of command is?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Now? What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
What is it Pam Bondi's you?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Or how does this work?
Speaker 7 (04:01):
So at the executive here we go again, may stepping
in front of my business chany command, he says, I
mean here in DC, should we command by change?
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Change knives and guns? Shanks numb chudgy. I doesn't seen
one of the ADHD kids take a fidget.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Spinner from the mid two thousands and Robert Entire seven.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Eleven change command?
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Who you think you is, who you think you is,
who you think you is, who you.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Think Since the start of the war in Ukraine, President
Trump has said that if he had been in office
instead of the brain dead Joe Biden, Russia would have
never invaded.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt was asked.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
What security guarantees will be in place that will prevent
Russia from invading again once Trump is out of office, since.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
The President often says this war would not have started
if you were in office, and Putin confirmed that true,
How's do you.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Accept that as true?
Speaker 6 (05:11):
EU leaders do well, and President.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Putin himself said that I did say that.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
The question I have though, is what is the president
going to do to ensure that these security guarantees last
beyond him into the time when he is no longer president?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And does that have to involve Congress at all?
Speaker 9 (05:29):
Well, he understands the need for that which he spoke
to yesterday, and what's he.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Going to do.
Speaker 9 (05:33):
It's why he's engaging in so many talks, in so
many conversations with both sides of this war, with our
European allies. It's why on the way home from Anchorage, Alaska,
very late at nights, when I know many of you
on the press plane were sleeping and many staff were sleeping,
the President himself was still awake at two o'clock in
the morning talking to European leaders and NATO about how
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we can ensure a lasting piece and bring this conflict
to an end. He is It's expended an incredible amount
of time, energy, and effort into bringing this war to
an end, and he remains determined.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So they can't.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
They criticized Trump that he couldn't get a peace deal.
Now that he got a peace steal, they say, well, yeah,
but what happens when you're not president anymore and you're
along gone and we put another Democrat in there and
they let putin invade again, Then what happens?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Then?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
What happens?
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Then? What happened?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
That's like saying, yeah, this is a beautiful building you're building,
but what happens when you die fifty years from now
and you're not here, Who's going to mow the grass?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
He sounds stupid.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
The Michael Berry Show Michael Berry Show. March first was
thirteen years since we lost the Great Andrew Breitbart at far,
far too young, an age, only forty three years old.
I remember at the time thinking this will have a
ripple effect for years and years and years, and I
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worried will his legacy live on? He was building something,
was building something influential, significant, meaningful.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I've told you.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Recently the story about him getting up on the table
when we were in DC at a radio conference with
Big News, and he loved the confrontation and the conflict
and the full crumb of change that he was bringing.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And he was a real warrior.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I would have been interested to watch him during the
Trump era and see how he performed.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It was incredible.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
But I always wondered how long would breit Bart, in
the institution he built live on. Well, here we are
thirteen years later. The editor in chief of breit Bart
News is Alex Marlow, two time New York Times bestselling
author of Breaking the News and separately Breaking Biden, his
third book, which I'm looking forward to is entitled Breaking
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the Law Exposing the Weaponization of America's Legal System against
Donald Trump is a subject I've been looking forward to discussing.
Much like the COVID shot and the Epstein files. I
think these things need to be explored. I think we
need to dig deep, get granular, and understand them and
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not just rush them under the rug and move on
as we often tend to do.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Alex Marlow, Welcome to the program, Mike Device to be
with you.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So let's talk about why you write this book, Breaking
the Law Exposing the Weaponization of America's Legal System against
Donald Trump?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
What was the genesis?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
What's going through your head when you decide to put
the time and effort into this.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
So the first thing I thought of is I was
watching all of these Trump trials play out, there were
six in total, and I was I can barely keep
these things straight. And this man is being asked to
defend himself publicly, to defend his name, to try to
stay out of jail, to try to not get bankrupt
while he's running for reelection or running for election a
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second time from a courthouse which has never been asked
of any standard bearer of any major party in our history.
All that was off putting into all disgrace, and I
don't think most of us, unless you're a professional legal
pundit could even keep the six cases straight. And then
the criminal conviction comes down in what I came to
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regard as the worst, most sloppy case of the six
and you start realizing this is a political persecution on
level we've never seen before, and no one's really described
me as such. I regard this as the scandal of
the century. And it's not just directed to Donald Trump's
directed as his supporters j six prisoners of people who
were at Trump's attorneys, but just even regular conservative Americans
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have seen a rash of unpersoning, d banking, having their
law licenses targeted by left wing activist groups. And it's
all part of this law fair apparatus that's been built
for a very long time, and it was time that
someone did a big takedown of it and a big
explanation of what's really happening in the threat to depose us.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It's a lot to unpack. So where do you start
with a project like this? How do you begin to
give structure to some of you think I'm storybooking a
movie here.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You've got a lot of.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Different quarter If you got fat Fan, you got Jack Smith,
you've got a big tissue. You got the rating, their
painty drawers, and mar Lago. How do you begin to
bring this together and make sense of it all so
you can tell the story?
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Yeah. So I have a big perspective in that I'm
not an attorney, but I have very smart attorneys who
worked for me at Breitbart. So that was the first move,
was I when I reached out to my publisher and
my agent and said, do you think there's there's something here?
And when they said there was, my next calls were
to the attorneys on my staff at bright Bart News.
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Joel Pollock, who's a Harvard trained attorney who is probably
familiar to a lot of your audience, the prolific guy
King Kleukowski, who works now for Senator Lee in the
Senate Judiciary and formally was one of our one of
our senior leagual contributors at bright Bart, super brilliant lawyers.
And I just started having them just walk me through
so I could understand the cases. And that's how it began.
And when I felt like I was fluid on the cases,
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which took a very long time. That was probably the
hardest work that I had to do myself, was to
try to understand all the differences and keep them straight.
Once I felt like I had that down, then I
reached out to President Trump's people and spoke to President
Trump and spoke to Alina Haba and Borise Epstein and
a bunch of the people who represent President Trump, and
they gave me more to tail in more stories. So
there are stories to tell in this that are exclusive,
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which was really interesting. And at that point I was
able to draw some pretty big conclusions about what was
really happening here, and I try to lay those out
and then offer some solutions.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
When you began to research this subject and you start
talking to I mean, Joel, obviously someone's been on our
show and a bright mind. And there are some people
who in disparate parts of the country, with disparate backgrounds,
a lot of them in the legal world, who've been
reporting on pieces of which this is a whole. I
think it's a conspiracy and conspiracy and carried out and
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conducted in a very impressive, flawlessly conducted. Me saying in
a very impressive and fast manner as you start researching,
What were some of the things that came clear to
you that, hey, I thought I knew what was going
on here, I didn't realize this.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Yeah, so this is something that happens quite a bit.
And I'm editor in Chieaver of White Part, so I
would like to think I know more about what's going
on in the world than the vast majority of people.
But I still you don't do a good job in
my line of work unless you have a humble streak
to you, which I do. So I'm routinely in tune
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with when well I learned something, and I can only
assume my audience doesn't know this either, because if I
don't know it, then I'm not going to assume that
they know. It's I want to help, and that's really
what this endeavor is is you try to explain a
phenomenon in detail in a way that's accessible, and hopefully
do it in a timely manner, because this law for
apparatus is working right now when it's working overtime. But
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to emphasize the first and most important point I can
make here is all of this is illegal. Everything that
went on is illegal. Are due process protections in the
US Constitution, which we supposedly still value as the most
consequential legal document in the country. And if we regard
it as such, then you cannot have persecutions that are
designed directly to target political opponents. And then if those
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still somehow end up in criminal convictions or judgments where
you're found liable in a civil court, you cannot assess
cool and unusual punishments. And in the cases that Trump lost,
and there were several of them, they were invariably assigned
cool and unusual punishments, punishments that had never been levied
on any person ever, especially not someone who's currently running
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for president. All of the design is avert our democracy
so that you and the people in this audience don't
get to choose who your elected leaders are so long
as they offend the lawfare apparatus.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So I started life as a lawyer. You wouldn't know this.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I started life as a lawyer, and I went to
the University of Texas law school, and all I ever
wanted to be was a lawyer. He was in love
with the law. And Oliver Wendell Holmes and Antonin Scalia
and Clarence Thomas and these titans of law, and then
I went on and did another law.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Degree because I wanted to teach law.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I believe in the law, I love it, I admire it, jurisprudence,
in the history. And to see this gun it sickens me, Alex,
it sickens me. Our guest is Alex Marlowe of breitbarty
has a new book called Breaking the Law, exposing the
weaponization of America's legal system against Donald Trump and taught
More with Ankles and.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
King alv Ding and this other guy, Michael Barry.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Our guest is Alex Marlowe. He is the editor in
chief of Breitbart News. He's a two time New York
Times bestselling author. He wrote Breaking the News, and then
he wrote Breaking Biden, and now he writes perhaps the
most consequential of the three, Breaking the Law, exposing the
weaponization of America's legal system against Donald Trump. What do
you think is going to shock people most, Alex about
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this book?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Is the book available now?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Yeah? It is. Actually it's also a bestsellers or do
your Times bestsellers? So three in a row for me.
So thanks if anyone in the audience I bought it already.
Thanks for the.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Support, and you can find it online and at bookstores
near you.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Alex, Yeah, well wherever you want. Amazon's easiest. I'm not
I understand that's unpalatable to some people. But Amazon's easiest,
Pond and Noble Books a million whatever is your favorite target,
and Walmart it out them too, So how do you
like to get it? I'm pretty agnostic. Don't count on
it being your local cutsy bookstore though. As much as
we all love those stores, those people don't tend to
share my politics.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I don't think the aspin bookstore will have it.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I was reading about the book, and your book publicist
said in conclusion, finally, he makes bold predictions on where
Lawfair is heading. Yes, they are coming for you, and
other ways to fight its expanse before.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's too late. Everyone wants to know.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Okay, I don't want him harming Trump because he's my defender,
he's our great president.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But how is this coming for me?
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Yeah? So, first of all, in terms of the surprise,
is the biggest surprise for me. What I was shocked
by was how there was coordination with the White House,
or at least the very uper echelons of the DJ
which you're clearly coordinating with the White House in all
six of the major cases that I went through, which
is every one of them violates two process rights. And
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the fact that this wasn't somehow adjudicated before the election
is shocking, and it does it does boggle the mind
that this was tolerated by our legal apparatus, and one
of the cases made all the way to the Supreme Court,
and it was still because Justice Bierreit, who I have
mixed opinions on. I don't not everything she does is wrong,
but she started with the three Liberals in basically legitimizing
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one of the most offensive cases. I'll let the audience
read for that one. But I was stunned by the coordination,
the blatant coordination with the White House that was done,
which is clearly clearly illegal, and yet nothing was done
about it at the time, which shocks me. But it
doesn't mean we can't investigate and try to hold people
accountable now. In fact, we must. And so that's why
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I try to lay out some predictions, because the consequences
are is that if the people who are empowered now
are not investigating, they need to be removed, and we
need to be We need to find better, more steadfast,
more gutsy, more diligent representatives. So I'm speaking to the
conservative movement here. If you are not saskery your elected leaders,
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we need to find better ones and vote for them.
And we cannot sit out make your elections. We can't
sit out special elections. We cannot not pay attention to
the judge ship elections that are down our ballots. We
need to be vigilant and engaged twenty four to seven
if we have any intention of beating the law for superstructure,
because they're working very hard right now in terms of
how they're coming for us. The tease us a little
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bit last time. But I go through cases of dbanking
where people lose their bank accounts because they have a
conservative business. I go through cases of lawyers being targeted
for disbardment, lawyers who are not just you don't get
a job at a white shoe law firm and make
seven figures we're talking about. There's a group called Project
sixty five led by David Rock who started Media Matters,
which I'm sure is very familiar to most of the
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people here. It's a left wing advocacy media group. Now
he's on the left wing advocacy in the legal realm
where he's trying to get conservative attorneys disbarked so they
cannot practice law at all. Not that they can't get
their jobs, they literally cannot apply their craft and make money.
That's designed to discourage people from giving conservative solid representation.
I also go through the J six cases where you
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see how because there was a political mode of in mind,
how the left over charge that they use these really
just stop with that tactics. I mean just doorstepping people,
people showing up on the tarmac for you know, people
who are just really low level Republican organizers and you know,
embarrassing them in front of their families with the rests
and stuff like that. Weself. That took place in this
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country recently, and to my knowledge, almost no one has
been held to account, if anyone.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
It's such a pernicious, evil way to conduct this battle,
and it is for these people a battle, it's a war,
and to hit people, to punch them in their paycheck
in this manner is really really nasty. And it's like
you're picking off one at a time, right, you know,
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in their careers, and we can't possibly profile them all
at the same time, and a lot of people will
just it'll have a scarecrow effect. They will simply say,
you know what's not worth it? I got a wife
and kids, I got a kid with medical issue.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I don't want to mess with it.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
You got it. That's exactly it. That's the whole thing
I'm learning against that if we're not we don't steal ourselves.
First of all, we need to wipe out the bad
actors figuratively speaking, I want to be careful there. We're
not talking about physical violence, but we want to make
sure that they're empower and then if they do, we
have to be prepared on a mental level that they
really do hate us. This is their political power is
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much more important than our freedoms, our freedom to have
a good representation, our freedom to keep our freedom and
to stay out of jail, our freedom to not have
our time and money wasted the way they did with
Donald Trump. Trump would have survived these cases if he
wasn't incredibly resilient and also incredibly wealthy. His wealth with
a superpower here because she could survive these judgments. The
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Court New York still has one hundred and seventy five
million dollars of his money on a bond right now?
Could you part with one hundred and seventy five million
right now? I couldn't?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
You know what's amazing about that? I talked about this
at that time. That's that's one hundred and seventy four
in liquid cash.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You know that. People said, Oh, I thought he was
so rich.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Your money is tied up in assets and to find
free cash like that. The attempt there was to remember
she wanted four to ten. I think she won four
hundred and ten or maybe four to fifty.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
She right, y'all ended up being a much closer to
to five hundred than one year said well, And the.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Effect there was to lose.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I mean, she was really really engaged in some nastiness.
I've never seen that she was.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
She wasn't about a nastiness. Tis James not only campaign
on Trump, she was gleeful. Alvin Bragg campaigned against Trump,
so did Fannie Willis, So James wasn't alone in advertising
to her constituency. I'm here to get Trump and that's
why I'm here and not tohold the law. But with
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Willis she was I'm not sorry, I'm not well. So
with James, she would tweet the amount of interest that
Trump was accumulating each day, just to rub it in
his face. She was gloating, she was showloading, and that's
how she tweated this thing, as it was all a
game to her. But for the vast majority of us,
and I'll tell you make this point. I want to know.
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I'm not a particularly wealthy person, but I want to
know some really wealthy people in my line of work,
and they regard a difference between liquid wealth and wealth
that is tied up in assets and in golf courses
and in hotels. There's an extra set of admiration for
people who are liquid, because a lot of the riches
people you know, aren't that liquid. They're not necessarily their
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kentes scrounged together half a billion dollars, even if they're
a billionaire like that's not easy to do. And Trump
is henna asked to do this in the middle of
an election. It's hard to do even for guys Richard Trump.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
And people put their cash to work, whether that is
you know, especially for a guy in real estate, they
put it to work in long term investments. And the
ability to pull cash quickly is very, very difficult, especially.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
That amount of cash and they knew that.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
That's the point is that they knew that, Yes, and
so you really put somebody in a pinch, and that
is an injustice. You know, when we look at you
mentioned fat Fanny in Atlanta, and of course she was
carrying on with Nathan Wade, her investigator, and then they've
been caught recently. Since then, where did that case end up?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Yeah? So that case, it turned out to be the
sloppiest of the cases and one of my favorites to
write about. I'm in the book because I get to
tell the story the biggest mystic Fani made. And it
wasn't that she hired Nathan Wade, which was absurd. She
hired it her boyfriend, who was a family lawyer. He
was married, by the way when she hired him, and
that he left his wife I guess, but he was well.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Remember his wife was the one who brought off all
this up. His Thank goodness for his wife because when
she was scored, she went public with this. Alex Marlow
was our guest.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
The book is breaking the law, exposing the weaponization of
America's legal system against Donald Trumpan he just shows.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Me what it's like to be, you know, a real man.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I have never met someone so wonderful.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I call him written the Michael Barry.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Alex Marlow is our guest of Breit Martin, where he's
editor in chief of Breit Martin News. He's written Breaking
the News, He's written Breaking Biden, and now he's written
Breaking the Law exposing the weaponization of America's legal system
against Donald Trump. He was talking about fat Fanny and
her paramour, her lover, her cass and her fellow adulter
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Nathan Wade and that case. I had to interrupt you.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
But go ahead, yeah, yeah, thank you. I'm sorry. I
get really admimated about because I love this one. So
so she puts her boyfriend who's no businessing in the
case on the case. The White House is inviting him
multiple times to the White House, so obviously this is
this is cooked. But the worst thing she did, and
I write it, was in a book and one of
my absolute favorite essays in the book. I try to
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break it up into bite sized pieces, so if you're
reading before bad, you can read for eight ten minutes
and then you're good. But one of my favorite essays
is how the biggest mistake Fanny made is she had
a series of indictments. You guys probably remember the mug shots.
Some of them are really cool with the Trump margin
mudgsh out of course, postal comic in history. Some of
them have looked very sad. But she indicted a guy
named Mike Roman, and this is the dumbest thing anyone
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could have done. I know Mike Roman because Mike Roman
has been a source for me at White Bar for
a decade and a half. But he's a political operative extraordinary,
and he's the type of guy that if you're going
to do anything bad to Mike Roman, you better be
squeaky tween because if you have an unpaid parking ticket,
Roman is going to find it. And Roman was the
guy who found all the details about Willis, all the
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improprieties that she had had, all the stuff of Nathan
Wood with regards to taking the taxpayer dollars and using
it to go to NAPA for winecasing, using it to
go cruising in the Caribbean, vacationing in the Florida Keys,
all on taxpayer dollars. Roman finds all that stuff and
basically even MSNBC was saying, now the case isn't winnable.
The judge turned on Fannie Willis, and that is why
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that case ended up in just a total dud for
the for the bad guys. And so I didn't tell
that story. Was really fun because I don't think anyone
knows that detail that had Fanny not and diet with
Mike Roman, we might have had a totally different result.
But she really messed with the wrong guy.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
That's fascinating. Did you did you sit down with Roman?
Had just spent some time with him?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Did I reached that cambod? But I had, I had
this story down, I created. It was mostly just a
time issue. But I know him and I and I
know the story is very clear to me. I watched
to come together from far and I because I remember
her indicting Roman, and I remember her thinking that is
not smart. And then Roman put out all this in
court filings. So it was really easy for me to
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go through it. But I didn't need anything extra. It
wasn't like I had I didn't need. I really didn't
see that good like. I didn't need anything extra. I
got the picture. Because he's not efficient in the way
he operates. I will connect with him afroid though well
will fundly. It's just you know, I do. I have
three jobs and I got I got to move basket.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know, I get that, I get it.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
That's that's the great frustration here is time is our
biggest enemy.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
To mind your shows. That'd be a great interview. He's
amazing person.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I will hold you over when we're done to get
some advice on how to contact him.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I would love to talk to him.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Let's talk about the as I like to describe it,
the the federal government rating Millenniau's panty drawers in order
to intimidate Trump.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
And and the rumor.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Was that that they were authorized to shoot to kill.
I mean, and you've got you've got Secret Service, protection
of the press. I mean, this was a really really dangerous,
you know Krusehof and Kennedy kind of moment.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
This was this was scary.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, it is, And it was interesting. I got some
talk to some of the Trump children about this when
they weren't home, but you know, just watching them. There
are security cameras that there are people are going through
Baron's Peloton room. They're going through Milania's underwear drawer looking
for state secrets, for documents that Trump could have unclassified
at any point. And this is one where Trump was
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not perfect in this regard because he should have formally
waved his magic wand or whatever he needed to do
with the National Archives. But the National Archives is not
going to lead to a surprise FBI raid on your home.
They're not going to demand that sort of thing. They
never have. They's depressident for it. I go through all
the president and it was clearly an abuse of power
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and that's something that was done by Merrick Garland and
the DJ. Merrick Garland's an amazing figure in this book
because he's really a ponscious pilot type and that he's
not the He's not. It's his weakness that's the problem,
is that he was surrounded Everyone says he's a nice guy,
but he was surrounded by some of the most rabid
law fair generals. I profile on the book, Lisa Monico
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and Benita Gupta his number two and number three of
the DJ. I think they were the ones instigating this.
They take their keys from the MSNBC guys. The Andrew
Weissman's the guy who was the number one pit bull
for Robert Muller, and that's who's really running that operation.
And that's why we need investigations because none of that's
out in the open. And I can surmise all this stuff,
but I don't have subpoena power. I can't go and
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get all the detail we need, the detail of how
that hugely offensive event happened.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Yeah, and it is my hope that I mean, look
since since Trump took office, you know, we're half a
year since that happened, and look at how many things
have already come to light and how many investigations have begun.
I really do think there is a real effort. You know,
there's a certain It's sort of like when you see
a neighborhood that John Q. Wilson broke in paying theory,
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you see a neighborhood coming back to life. It's like
all of these things are being exposed. People are emboldened
to come forward and tell their story, and I think
that's fantastic. Yeah, let's talk about the two New York cases.
We have the Egene Carrol Nutt and then you have
the attorney general there. We talked a little bit about
the money she forced him to put up and that
we haven't talked about the judge and his relationship and
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who his daughter is. But I'll just let you go
on there. This is riveting stuff. Alex Marlow's our guest.
He's from Breitbart. The book is Breaking the Law, exposing
the weaponization of America's legal system against Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Yeah, so the two New York cases, you've got to
keep them straight in the sense that one's criminal and
one was a civil case. They're both treated like criminal cases,
which is why they get confusing, and even smart people
I know get them get them confused. But I'll tell
you a couple of quick tidbits about each. So the
first one, the criminal case, is a Stormy Daniel's case.
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Frame is a hush money case. You know, Michael, you're attorney.
Hush money is not illegal. It's also not in miss
of guilt. You can pay hush money to someone. And
Trump is done in the past. And I established this
that he's willing to pay just to keep annoying people
quiet when they clearly have nothing. They're just going to
create a media spectacle. And he's a busy guy with
other stuff he wants to do. He doesn't always be
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involved in that stuff. So then they kind of came
up with this way of turning what was a lapsed
misdemeanor into a felony by trying to act like it
was a campaign violation, which was absurd because a married
man who's very powerful might pay hush money to someone
for a million different reasons, the reputational, you know, not
having a public scandal. It doesn't have to do with
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campaigns at all. And yet that's what they claimed, which
was ridiculous on his face. And not to mention, there
isn't really strong evidence that the allegation against Trump were true.
And I want to be carefully because I don't get
super defamation. But if you remember counting of what the
porn actress Stormy Daniel says Trump did with her, it
doesn't really add up. A lot of it doesn't make
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sense at all, and Trump's always so you guys can
go through that and I think you'll find that to
be pretty enlightening. But that ends up in the criminal
conviction because there's a co courtroom. There's nothing that could
be done once that trial got going. But the reason
why I got going was because of the Russia collusion hoax.
And this is a big detail in the book. The
key to that trial was Michael Cohen and his Gmail account,
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which was accessed by Robert Muller and the DOJ during
the Russia collusion hoax. So if the Russian colusion host
which was not legitimate, you didn't leave all those investigations,
Trump would not have the convicted trail and branding which
they're still smearing with today. So that's a really big deal.
The other New York case is the tiss Chains one.
That's the criminal, the case that was really a civil case.
She treats him like a criminal. That was the one
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with the victimless crime where Trump allegedly defrauded these banks
who lent them money. But the banks never complained about Trump.
So there shouldn't be any civil cases unless a claimant
claims that they need to have some sort of retribution,
some sort of attributed damages because they had been screwed
by someone. Well, none of the bans complained. In fact,
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the banks loved working with Trump and wanted to work
with him again, and yet she somehow manufactured this in
a juryless trial and got him assessed a penalty that
was cool and unusual because there were no damages at all.
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. Michael
Vari Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Before we begin, I'd like to do something important. I'd
like to acknowledge the land that were gathered on and
the first peoples who have gathered on this land, who
were and still are the stewards of this land.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
This country is going straight to hell.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
America is infected with a disease, and that disease is
called racism. It often is utilized to support economic benefits
of corporations, the economic benefits of those who use such
divisions in order for their personal profit. This country has
had a longstanding labor practice that is despicable at best.
(00:56):
And so the idea of make America great again, we
don't see a country that it's gone wrong, in my opinion,
we see a country that has never been right.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You know, there are entire things that happened in this
administration that would be a hallmark achievement for other presidents,
and we never even mentioned them because we have so
many other things going on, and no one.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Calls us out on it.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Because there are so many things this president is doing.
He's like a man possessed.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I mean, who remembers that he federalized DC. It's already forgotten.
The man went in, they bulldozed all the trash and
got it all out of there and cleaned up DC.
Because he knew in a matter of hours he was
going to fly to Alaska to talk to Putin and
(01:53):
then fly back and have Zelenski here and spank him
and tell him how to cawate to cabbage and what
was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And he wanted DC to look nice, not like some.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Democrat city that's just a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
It's already forgotten. And you know, he does these things.
It's so brilliant.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
The angles that he plays are so brilliant because he
creates situations with statements and actions that put the Democrats
in the position of having to defend the indefensible.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So when he says, hey, crime's too high, people.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Getting killed, it's filthy, they're homeless people everywhere. Everything is broken,
it looks it's blighted.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I'm going to fix it, and they have to run
out and go, no, you can't fix it. You can't
fix it. That's not right. We don't want it fixed.
You can't make it safe.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
And then they roll out to the police chief, bless
her heart, Deputy dumb ass, She's just dumb as she
can be.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And we all know why she's there. And it ain't.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
It ain't because she's a modern incantation of but for
t Pusser. So the cleanup underway, the deployment of the
National Guard. Pam Bondy a is head of the DC
Police Department, and then there's a press conference with the
Chief of Police Pamela Smith.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh she's a doozy.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So naturally somebody from the media asked, what the chain
of command is now that Pam Bondy is taken over?
Is it is it Pam Bondy the Attorney General who's
now the head of the police department, or is it
you the chief?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Believe what's the chain of command?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
It turns out the chief of police has no idea
what a chain of command is. I wonder what was
going through the police chief's head as the mayor bumped
her out of the way to answer a simple question.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Does what the chain of command is?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Now? What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
What is it Pam Bondi's you?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Or how does this work?
Speaker 7 (04:01):
So at the executive here we go again, may stepping
in front of my business chany command, he says, I
mean here in DC, should we command by change?
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Change knives and guns? Shanks numb chudgy. I doesn't seen
one of the ADHD kids take a fidget.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Spinner from the mid two thousands and Robert Entire seven.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Eleven change command?
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Who you think you is, who you think you is,
who you think you is, who you.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Think Since the start of the war in Ukraine, President
Trump has said that if he had been in office
instead of the brain dead Joe Biden, Russia would have
never invaded.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt was asked.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
What security guarantees will be in place that will prevent
Russia from invading again once Trump is out of office, since.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
The President often says this war would not have started
if you were in office, and Putin confirmed that true,
How's do you.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Accept that as true?
Speaker 6 (05:11):
EU leaders do well, and President.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Putin himself said that I did say that.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
The question I have though, is what is the president
going to do to ensure that these security guarantees last
beyond him into the time when he is no longer president?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And does that have to involve Congress at all?
Speaker 9 (05:29):
Well, he understands the need for that which he spoke
to yesterday, and what's he.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Going to do.
Speaker 9 (05:33):
It's why he's engaging in so many talks, in so
many conversations with both sides of this war, with our
European allies. It's why on the way home from Anchorage, Alaska,
very late at nights, when I know many of you
on the press plane were sleeping and many staff were sleeping,
the President himself was still awake at two o'clock in
the morning talking to European leaders and NATO about how
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we can ensure a lasting piece and bring this conflict
to an end. He is It's expended an incredible amount
of time, energy, and effort into bringing this war to
an end, and he remains determined.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So they can't.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
They criticized Trump that he couldn't get a peace deal.
Now that he got a peace steal, they say, well, yeah,
but what happens when you're not president anymore and you're
along gone and we put another Democrat in there and
they let putin invade again, Then what happens?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Then?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
What happens?
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Then? What happened?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
That's like saying, yeah, this is a beautiful building you're building,
but what happens when you die fifty years from now
and you're not here, Who's going to mow the grass?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
He sounds stupid.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
The Michael Berry Show Michael Berry Show. March first was
thirteen years since we lost the Great Andrew Breitbart at far,
far too young, an age, only forty three years old.
I remember at the time thinking this will have a
ripple effect for years and years and years, and I
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worried will his legacy live on? He was building something,
was building something influential, significant, meaningful.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I've told you.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Recently the story about him getting up on the table
when we were in DC at a radio conference with
Big News, and he loved the confrontation and the conflict
and the full crumb of change that he was bringing.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And he was a real warrior.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I would have been interested to watch him during the
Trump era and see how he performed.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It was incredible.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
But I always wondered how long would breit Bart, in
the institution he built live on. Well, here we are
thirteen years later. The editor in chief of breit Bart
News is Alex Marlow, two time New York Times bestselling
author of Breaking the News and separately Breaking Biden, his
third book, which I'm looking forward to is entitled Breaking
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the Law Exposing the Weaponization of America's Legal System against
Donald Trump is a subject I've been looking forward to discussing.
Much like the COVID shot and the Epstein files. I
think these things need to be explored. I think we
need to dig deep, get granular, and understand them and
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not just rush them under the rug and move on
as we often tend to do.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Alex Marlow, Welcome to the program, Mike Device to be
with you.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So let's talk about why you write this book, Breaking
the Law Exposing the Weaponization of America's Legal System against
Donald Trump?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
What was the genesis?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
What's going through your head when you decide to put
the time and effort into this.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
So the first thing I thought of is I was
watching all of these Trump trials play out, there were
six in total, and I was I can barely keep
these things straight. And this man is being asked to
defend himself publicly, to defend his name, to try to
stay out of jail, to try to not get bankrupt
while he's running for reelection or running for election a
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second time from a courthouse which has never been asked
of any standard bearer of any major party in our history.
All that was off putting into all disgrace, and I
don't think most of us, unless you're a professional legal
pundit could even keep the six cases straight. And then
the criminal conviction comes down in what I came to
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regard as the worst, most sloppy case of the six
and you start realizing this is a political persecution on
level we've never seen before, and no one's really described
me as such. I regard this as the scandal of
the century. And it's not just directed to Donald Trump's
directed as his supporters j six prisoners of people who
were at Trump's attorneys, but just even regular conservative Americans
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have seen a rash of unpersoning, d banking, having their
law licenses targeted by left wing activist groups. And it's
all part of this law fair apparatus that's been built
for a very long time, and it was time that
someone did a big takedown of it and a big
explanation of what's really happening in the threat to depose us.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It's a lot to unpack. So where do you start
with a project like this? How do you begin to
give structure to some of you think I'm storybooking a
movie here.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You've got a lot of.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Different quarter If you got fat Fan, you got Jack Smith,
you've got a big tissue. You got the rating, their
painty drawers, and mar Lago. How do you begin to
bring this together and make sense of it all so
you can tell the story?
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Yeah. So I have a big perspective in that I'm
not an attorney, but I have very smart attorneys who
worked for me at Breitbart. So that was the first move,
was I when I reached out to my publisher and
my agent and said, do you think there's there's something here?
And when they said there was, my next calls were
to the attorneys on my staff at bright Bart News.
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Joel Pollock, who's a Harvard trained attorney who is probably
familiar to a lot of your audience, the prolific guy
King Kleukowski, who works now for Senator Lee in the
Senate Judiciary and formally was one of our one of
our senior leagual contributors at bright Bart, super brilliant lawyers.
And I just started having them just walk me through
so I could understand the cases. And that's how it began.
And when I felt like I was fluid on the cases,
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which took a very long time. That was probably the
hardest work that I had to do myself, was to
try to understand all the differences and keep them straight.
Once I felt like I had that down, then I
reached out to President Trump's people and spoke to President
Trump and spoke to Alina Haba and Borise Epstein and
a bunch of the people who represent President Trump, and
they gave me more to tail in more stories. So
there are stories to tell in this that are exclusive,
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which was really interesting. And at that point I was
able to draw some pretty big conclusions about what was
really happening here, and I try to lay those out
and then offer some solutions.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
When you began to research this subject and you start
talking to I mean, Joel, obviously someone's been on our
show and a bright mind. And there are some people
who in disparate parts of the country, with disparate backgrounds,
a lot of them in the legal world, who've been
reporting on pieces of which this is a whole. I
think it's a conspiracy and conspiracy and carried out and
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conducted in a very impressive, flawlessly conducted. Me saying in
a very impressive and fast manner as you start researching,
What were some of the things that came clear to
you that, hey, I thought I knew what was going
on here, I didn't realize this.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Yeah, so this is something that happens quite a bit.
And I'm editor in Chieaver of White Part, so I
would like to think I know more about what's going
on in the world than the vast majority of people.
But I still you don't do a good job in
my line of work unless you have a humble streak
to you, which I do. So I'm routinely in tune
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with when well I learned something, and I can only
assume my audience doesn't know this either, because if I
don't know it, then I'm not going to assume that
they know. It's I want to help, and that's really
what this endeavor is is you try to explain a
phenomenon in detail in a way that's accessible, and hopefully
do it in a timely manner, because this law for
apparatus is working right now when it's working overtime. But
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to emphasize the first and most important point I can
make here is all of this is illegal. Everything that
went on is illegal. Are due process protections in the
US Constitution, which we supposedly still value as the most
consequential legal document in the country. And if we regard
it as such, then you cannot have persecutions that are
designed directly to target political opponents. And then if those
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still somehow end up in criminal convictions or judgments where
you're found liable in a civil court, you cannot assess
cool and unusual punishments. And in the cases that Trump lost,
and there were several of them, they were invariably assigned
cool and unusual punishments, punishments that had never been levied
on any person ever, especially not someone who's currently running
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for president. All of the design is avert our democracy
so that you and the people in this audience don't
get to choose who your elected leaders are so long
as they offend the lawfare apparatus.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So I started life as a lawyer. You wouldn't know this.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I started life as a lawyer, and I went to
the University of Texas law school, and all I ever
wanted to be was a lawyer. He was in love
with the law. And Oliver Wendell Holmes and Antonin Scalia
and Clarence Thomas and these titans of law, and then
I went on and did another law.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Degree because I wanted to teach law.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I believe in the law, I love it, I admire it, jurisprudence,
in the history. And to see this gun it sickens me, Alex,
it sickens me. Our guest is Alex Marlowe of breitbarty
has a new book called Breaking the Law, exposing the
weaponization of America's legal system against Donald Trump and taught
More with Ankles and.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
King alv Ding and this other guy, Michael Barry.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Our guest is Alex Marlowe. He is the editor in
chief of Breitbart News. He's a two time New York
Times bestselling author. He wrote Breaking the News, and then
he wrote Breaking Biden, and now he writes perhaps the
most consequential of the three, Breaking the Law, exposing the
weaponization of America's legal system against Donald Trump. What do
you think is going to shock people most, Alex about
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this book?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Is the book available now?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Yeah? It is. Actually it's also a bestsellers or do
your Times bestsellers? So three in a row for me.
So thanks if anyone in the audience I bought it already.
Thanks for the.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Support, and you can find it online and at bookstores
near you.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Alex, Yeah, well wherever you want. Amazon's easiest. I'm not
I understand that's unpalatable to some people. But Amazon's easiest,
Pond and Noble Books a million whatever is your favorite target,
and Walmart it out them too, So how do you
like to get it? I'm pretty agnostic. Don't count on
it being your local cutsy bookstore though. As much as
we all love those stores, those people don't tend to
share my politics.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I don't think the aspin bookstore will have it.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I was reading about the book, and your book publicist
said in conclusion, finally, he makes bold predictions on where
Lawfair is heading. Yes, they are coming for you, and
other ways to fight its expanse before.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's too late. Everyone wants to know.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Okay, I don't want him harming Trump because he's my defender,
he's our great president.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But how is this coming for me?
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Yeah? So, first of all, in terms of the surprise,
is the biggest surprise for me. What I was shocked
by was how there was coordination with the White House,
or at least the very uper echelons of the DJ
which you're clearly coordinating with the White House in all
six of the major cases that I went through, which
is every one of them violates two process rights. And
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the fact that this wasn't somehow adjudicated before the election
is shocking, and it does it does boggle the mind
that this was tolerated by our legal apparatus, and one
of the cases made all the way to the Supreme Court,
and it was still because Justice Bierreit, who I have
mixed opinions on. I don't not everything she does is wrong,
but she started with the three Liberals in basically legitimizing
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one of the most offensive cases. I'll let the audience
read for that one. But I was stunned by the coordination,
the blatant coordination with the White House that was done,
which is clearly clearly illegal, and yet nothing was done
about it at the time, which shocks me. But it
doesn't mean we can't investigate and try to hold people
accountable now. In fact, we must. And so that's why
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I try to lay out some predictions, because the consequences
are is that if the people who are empowered now
are not investigating, they need to be removed, and we
need to be We need to find better, more steadfast,
more gutsy, more diligent representatives. So I'm speaking to the
conservative movement here. If you are not saskery your elected leaders,
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we need to find better ones and vote for them.
And we cannot sit out make your elections. We can't
sit out special elections. We cannot not pay attention to
the judge ship elections that are down our ballots. We
need to be vigilant and engaged twenty four to seven
if we have any intention of beating the law for superstructure,
because they're working very hard right now in terms of
how they're coming for us. The tease us a little
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bit last time. But I go through cases of dbanking
where people lose their bank accounts because they have a
conservative business. I go through cases of lawyers being targeted
for disbardment, lawyers who are not just you don't get
a job at a white shoe law firm and make
seven figures we're talking about. There's a group called Project
sixty five led by David Rock who started Media Matters,
which I'm sure is very familiar to most of the
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people here. It's a left wing advocacy media group. Now
he's on the left wing advocacy in the legal realm
where he's trying to get conservative attorneys disbarked so they
cannot practice law at all. Not that they can't get
their jobs, they literally cannot apply their craft and make money.
That's designed to discourage people from giving conservative solid representation.
I also go through the J six cases where you
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see how because there was a political mode of in mind,
how the left over charge that they use these really
just stop with that tactics. I mean just doorstepping people,
people showing up on the tarmac for you know, people
who are just really low level Republican organizers and you know,
embarrassing them in front of their families with the rests
and stuff like that. Weself. That took place in this
(19:01):
country recently, and to my knowledge, almost no one has
been held to account, if anyone.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
It's such a pernicious, evil way to conduct this battle,
and it is for these people a battle, it's a war,
and to hit people, to punch them in their paycheck
in this manner is really really nasty. And it's like
you're picking off one at a time, right, you know,
(19:29):
in their careers, and we can't possibly profile them all
at the same time, and a lot of people will
just it'll have a scarecrow effect. They will simply say,
you know what's not worth it? I got a wife
and kids, I got a kid with medical issue.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I don't want to mess with it.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
You got it. That's exactly it. That's the whole thing
I'm learning against that if we're not we don't steal ourselves.
First of all, we need to wipe out the bad
actors figuratively speaking, I want to be careful there. We're
not talking about physical violence, but we want to make
sure that they're empower and then if they do, we
have to be prepared on a mental level that they
really do hate us. This is their political power is
(20:04):
much more important than our freedoms, our freedom to have
a good representation, our freedom to keep our freedom and
to stay out of jail, our freedom to not have
our time and money wasted the way they did with
Donald Trump. Trump would have survived these cases if he
wasn't incredibly resilient and also incredibly wealthy. His wealth with
a superpower here because she could survive these judgments. The
(20:25):
Court New York still has one hundred and seventy five
million dollars of his money on a bond right now?
Could you part with one hundred and seventy five million
right now? I couldn't?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
You know what's amazing about that? I talked about this
at that time. That's that's one hundred and seventy four
in liquid cash.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You know that. People said, Oh, I thought he was
so rich.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Your money is tied up in assets and to find
free cash like that. The attempt there was to remember
she wanted four to ten. I think she won four
hundred and ten or maybe four to fifty.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
She right, y'all ended up being a much closer to
to five hundred than one year said well, And the.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Effect there was to lose.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I mean, she was really really engaged in some nastiness.
I've never seen that she was.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
She wasn't about a nastiness. Tis James not only campaign
on Trump, she was gleeful. Alvin Bragg campaigned against Trump,
so did Fannie Willis, So James wasn't alone in advertising
to her constituency. I'm here to get Trump and that's
why I'm here and not tohold the law. But with
(21:26):
Willis she was I'm not sorry, I'm not well. So
with James, she would tweet the amount of interest that
Trump was accumulating each day, just to rub it in
his face. She was gloating, she was showloading, and that's
how she tweated this thing, as it was all a
game to her. But for the vast majority of us,
and I'll tell you make this point. I want to know.
(21:46):
I'm not a particularly wealthy person, but I want to
know some really wealthy people in my line of work,
and they regard a difference between liquid wealth and wealth
that is tied up in assets and in golf courses
and in hotels. There's an extra set of admiration for
people who are liquid, because a lot of the riches
people you know, aren't that liquid. They're not necessarily their
(22:09):
kentes scrounged together half a billion dollars, even if they're
a billionaire like that's not easy to do. And Trump
is henna asked to do this in the middle of
an election. It's hard to do even for guys Richard Trump.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
And people put their cash to work, whether that is
you know, especially for a guy in real estate, they
put it to work in long term investments. And the
ability to pull cash quickly is very, very difficult, especially.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
That amount of cash and they knew that.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
That's the point is that they knew that, Yes, and
so you really put somebody in a pinch, and that
is an injustice. You know, when we look at you
mentioned fat Fanny in Atlanta, and of course she was
carrying on with Nathan Wade, her investigator, and then they've
been caught recently. Since then, where did that case end up?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Yeah? So that case, it turned out to be the
sloppiest of the cases and one of my favorites to
write about. I'm in the book because I get to
tell the story the biggest mystic Fani made. And it
wasn't that she hired Nathan Wade, which was absurd. She
hired it her boyfriend, who was a family lawyer. He
was married, by the way when she hired him, and
that he left his wife I guess, but he was well.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Remember his wife was the one who brought off all
this up. His Thank goodness for his wife because when
she was scored, she went public with this. Alex Marlow
was our guest.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
The book is breaking the law, exposing the weaponization of
America's legal system against Donald Trumpan he just shows.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Me what it's like to be, you know, a real man.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I have never met someone so wonderful.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I call him written the Michael Barry.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Alex Marlow is our guest of Breit Martin, where he's
editor in chief of Breit Martin News. He's written Breaking
the News, He's written Breaking Biden, and now he's written
Breaking the Law exposing the weaponization of America's legal system
against Donald Trump. He was talking about fat Fanny and
her paramour, her lover, her cass and her fellow adulter
(24:03):
Nathan Wade and that case. I had to interrupt you.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
But go ahead, yeah, yeah, thank you. I'm sorry. I
get really admimated about because I love this one. So
so she puts her boyfriend who's no businessing in the
case on the case. The White House is inviting him
multiple times to the White House, so obviously this is
this is cooked. But the worst thing she did, and
I write it, was in a book and one of
my absolute favorite essays in the book. I try to
(24:26):
break it up into bite sized pieces, so if you're
reading before bad, you can read for eight ten minutes
and then you're good. But one of my favorite essays
is how the biggest mistake Fanny made is she had
a series of indictments. You guys probably remember the mug shots.
Some of them are really cool with the Trump margin
mudgsh out of course, postal comic in history. Some of
them have looked very sad. But she indicted a guy
named Mike Roman, and this is the dumbest thing anyone
(24:47):
could have done. I know Mike Roman because Mike Roman
has been a source for me at White Bar for
a decade and a half. But he's a political operative extraordinary,
and he's the type of guy that if you're going
to do anything bad to Mike Roman, you better be
squeaky tween because if you have an unpaid parking ticket,
Roman is going to find it. And Roman was the
guy who found all the details about Willis, all the
(25:08):
improprieties that she had had, all the stuff of Nathan
Wood with regards to taking the taxpayer dollars and using
it to go to NAPA for winecasing, using it to
go cruising in the Caribbean, vacationing in the Florida Keys,
all on taxpayer dollars. Roman finds all that stuff and
basically even MSNBC was saying, now the case isn't winnable.
The judge turned on Fannie Willis, and that is why
(25:29):
that case ended up in just a total dud for
the for the bad guys. And so I didn't tell
that story. Was really fun because I don't think anyone
knows that detail that had Fanny not and diet with
Mike Roman, we might have had a totally different result.
But she really messed with the wrong guy.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
That's fascinating. Did you did you sit down with Roman?
Had just spent some time with him?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Did I reached that cambod? But I had, I had
this story down, I created. It was mostly just a
time issue. But I know him and I and I
know the story is very clear to me. I watched
to come together from far and I because I remember
her indicting Roman, and I remember her thinking that is
not smart. And then Roman put out all this in
court filings. So it was really easy for me to
(26:10):
go through it. But I didn't need anything extra. It
wasn't like I had I didn't need. I really didn't
see that good like. I didn't need anything extra. I
got the picture. Because he's not efficient in the way
he operates. I will connect with him afroid though well
will fundly. It's just you know, I do. I have
three jobs and I got I got to move basket.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know, I get that, I get it.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
That's that's the great frustration here is time is our
biggest enemy.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
To mind your shows. That'd be a great interview. He's
amazing person.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I will hold you over when we're done to get
some advice on how to contact him.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I would love to talk to him.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Let's talk about the as I like to describe it,
the the federal government rating Millenniau's panty drawers in order
to intimidate Trump.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
And and the rumor.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Was that that they were authorized to shoot to kill.
I mean, and you've got you've got Secret Service, protection
of the press. I mean, this was a really really dangerous,
you know Krusehof and Kennedy kind of moment.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
This was this was scary.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah, it is, And it was interesting. I got some
talk to some of the Trump children about this when
they weren't home, but you know, just watching them. There
are security cameras that there are people are going through
Baron's Peloton room. They're going through Milania's underwear drawer looking
for state secrets, for documents that Trump could have unclassified
at any point. And this is one where Trump was
(27:24):
not perfect in this regard because he should have formally
waved his magic wand or whatever he needed to do
with the National Archives. But the National Archives is not
going to lead to a surprise FBI raid on your home.
They're not going to demand that sort of thing. They
never have. They's depressident for it. I go through all
the president and it was clearly an abuse of power
(27:45):
and that's something that was done by Merrick Garland and
the DJ. Merrick Garland's an amazing figure in this book
because he's really a ponscious pilot type and that he's
not the He's not. It's his weakness that's the problem,
is that he was surrounded Everyone says he's a nice guy,
but he was surrounded by some of the most rabid
law fair generals. I profile on the book, Lisa Monico
(28:08):
and Benita Gupta his number two and number three of
the DJ. I think they were the ones instigating this.
They take their keys from the MSNBC guys. The Andrew
Weissman's the guy who was the number one pit bull
for Robert Muller, and that's who's really running that operation.
And that's why we need investigations because none of that's
out in the open. And I can surmise all this stuff,
but I don't have subpoena power. I can't go and
(28:29):
get all the detail we need, the detail of how
that hugely offensive event happened.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Yeah, and it is my hope that I mean, look
since since Trump took office, you know, we're half a
year since that happened, and look at how many things
have already come to light and how many investigations have begun.
I really do think there is a real effort. You know,
there's a certain It's sort of like when you see
a neighborhood that John Q. Wilson broke in paying theory,
(28:58):
you see a neighborhood coming back to life. It's like
all of these things are being exposed. People are emboldened
to come forward and tell their story, and I think
that's fantastic. Yeah, let's talk about the two New York cases.
We have the Egene Carrol Nutt and then you have
the attorney general there. We talked a little bit about
the money she forced him to put up and that
we haven't talked about the judge and his relationship and
(29:20):
who his daughter is. But I'll just let you go
on there. This is riveting stuff. Alex Marlow's our guest.
He's from Breitbart. The book is Breaking the Law, exposing
the weaponization of America's legal system against Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Yeah, so the two New York cases, you've got to
keep them straight in the sense that one's criminal and
one was a civil case. They're both treated like criminal cases,
which is why they get confusing, and even smart people
I know get them get them confused. But I'll tell
you a couple of quick tidbits about each. So the
first one, the criminal case, is a Stormy Daniel's case.
(29:54):
Frame is a hush money case. You know, Michael, you're attorney.
Hush money is not illegal. It's also not in miss
of guilt. You can pay hush money to someone. And
Trump is done in the past. And I established this
that he's willing to pay just to keep annoying people
quiet when they clearly have nothing. They're just going to
create a media spectacle. And he's a busy guy with
other stuff he wants to do. He doesn't always be
(30:15):
involved in that stuff. So then they kind of came
up with this way of turning what was a lapsed
misdemeanor into a felony by trying to act like it
was a campaign violation, which was absurd because a married
man who's very powerful might pay hush money to someone
for a million different reasons, the reputational, you know, not
having a public scandal. It doesn't have to do with
(30:37):
campaigns at all. And yet that's what they claimed, which
was ridiculous on his face. And not to mention, there
isn't really strong evidence that the allegation against Trump were true.
And I want to be carefully because I don't get
super defamation. But if you remember counting of what the
porn actress Stormy Daniel says Trump did with her, it
doesn't really add up. A lot of it doesn't make
(30:59):
sense at all, and Trump's always so you guys can
go through that and I think you'll find that to
be pretty enlightening. But that ends up in the criminal
conviction because there's a co courtroom. There's nothing that could
be done once that trial got going. But the reason
why I got going was because of the Russia collusion hoax.
And this is a big detail in the book. The
key to that trial was Michael Cohen and his Gmail account,
(31:19):
which was accessed by Robert Muller and the DOJ during
the Russia collusion hoax. So if the Russian colusion host
which was not legitimate, you didn't leave all those investigations,
Trump would not have the convicted trail and branding which
they're still smearing with today. So that's a really big deal.
The other New York case is the tiss Chains one.
That's the criminal, the case that was really a civil case.
She treats him like a criminal. That was the one
(31:41):
with the victimless crime where Trump allegedly defrauded these banks
who lent them money. But the banks never complained about Trump.
So there shouldn't be any civil cases unless a claimant
claims that they need to have some sort of retribution,
some sort of attributed damages because they had been screwed
by someone. Well, none of the bans complained. In fact,
(32:01):
the banks loved working with Trump and wanted to work
with him again, and yet she somehow manufactured this in
a juryless trial and got him assessed a penalty that
was cool and unusual because there were no damages at all.
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