PM Show Hr 1 | Turning Point Pastor Lucas Miles on His Book "Pagan Threat"

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load.

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The Michael vari Show.

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Is on the air.

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When they see Barack Obama, people remember a time in
America where there was unity.

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When Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this
could have been my son.

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I intend to keep this promise.

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If you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to
keep your healthcare plan.

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According to the gutans or origin or antipatheatery.

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People who aren't like that, And I think to myself,
what a wonderful.

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Another issue that confronts all democracies as they move to
the future.

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Is how we deal with the past.

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The United States is still working through some.

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Of our own darker periods in our history.

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Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation,
the past treatment of Native America.

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And they do myself wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
You know that we can't just drill our way to
lower gas prices. There are no quick fixes or silver bullets.
If somebody tells you there are, they're not telling you
the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
If you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish,
you just have to flood a country's public square with
enough law sewage. You just have to raise enough questions,
spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy, theorizing that citizens no
longer know what to believe once they lose trust in

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their leaders, the mainstream media, and political institutions.

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In each other.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
In the possibility of truth.

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The game's won.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
The President earlier today was drug prices. It's something that
he's been working very hard on and trying to get

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drug prices down. And you might say, well, wait a second, Michael,
you're mister libertarian and economic policies. I am, but you
also have to realize that, unfortunately, we have to come
at these things in a manner other than purely academic.
This is an applied science because there is a framework.
We live in, a regulatory framework. Government has grown so

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big and so involved that in order to solve some
of the problems that government has created, it does require
some action. And there is something wrong about the fact
that pharmaceutical companies are charging these incredible rates to American
consumers and such lower rates abroad, when the reason for

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the lower rates is other countries negotiate those they demand them.
And the unfortunate thing with socialized medicine, which we have
a version of, I'm sorry to say, is that our
insurance system has now Insurance and medicare have now taken
taken over the process. And doctors will tell you this.

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They're not practicing medicine the way they want to. The
only people who are are concierge doctors and concierg's doctor.
It's a hard it's a hard practice. I got one
from my dad. She's an endochronologist and a family practice doctor,
and we have been so happy with her. You want
to know how happy we've been with her. The other

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night she sent me a picture. She and my dad
were watching a baseball game together, or series game together,
because she had promised him she would come by the
old folks home and watch the game with him. He
doesn't go into the big room with everybody else and
watch TV because they get on his nerves. That's where
I get it from. I come by it, honestly. But

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he sits in his room and watches TV, and he
loves sports. And she came by and watched the game,
and they went over all his blood sugar readings and
all that, and he was just so happy. His doctor
comes to him. But for most doctors, they're now in
this grind of seventy or more patients per day. So
there you are waiting, you know, one thing goes wrong.

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It's like, you know, when they don't have enough TSA agents.
Now at the airports, they're reducing the number of restricting
the number of flights that can go out because they
don't have enough people working government employees working at the
airports to safely, they say, safely get people through the
airport in a reasonable amount of time. I've had several

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people tell me of wait times of five hours or
more and in almost every one of those cases, and
then the plane is canceled. So it's not enough that
they were stuck waiting that long. They never got on
the plane to go where they were going. You think
about people with vacations coming up or whatever else, and
they've planned for this the whole year, and then you're

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stuck at the airport. What a bummer. This is the
Schuber shutdown. This is what it's led to. But I
did want to say something on the issue of the pharmaceuticals.
I think this is a noble undertaking of the president,
and I think this is where Donald Trump understands how

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to win elections and how to properly govern in a
way that brings Democrats into the fold. Republicans don't know
how to talk about things like this. They sound stiff.
They sound like your grandfather trying to give you the
sex talk the first time he mentions birds and the bees.
You're tuned down. They sound out of touch. They don't

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sound like they can relate to people. And the reason
is because they're not relatable people. They're stiff, and especially
by the time they get to the Senate, they live
in such a bubble that there is no relatability. There's
no accessibility to average, everyday Americans going through normal lives.

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Nancy Pelosi announcing today that she will not seek reelection.
She was going to get beaten. She's being challenged by
I believe the woman's estate rep in California. I need
to check again. She is in her twentieth term. That's
forty years, forty years. I don't know what she's going
to do, Ramon. She'll be out of office in a

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little over a year. She'll only be eighty six. I
guess she'll go work somewhere else. We have got a
real problem in this country with old people refusing to
leave positions of power. I guess you'll have to shut
down her trading account. Huh, because I don't know how
she'll make all the money without the inside information. And

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poor Paul, my god, can you imagine Paul with her
coming home. He'll have to he'll, I guess he'll have to.
Maybe they'll build a shed or something, or maybe he
can get a little stash apartment, a stab in Kevin,
you know, somewhere around while she's home, because that's gonna
be weird. I don't think she'll go for that. Who

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knows who, you just don't know. I hope she goes
home to San Francisco and has to live in the
squalor of the results of the policies, the consequences. You
ever think about how much evil San Francisco has vomited
onto this country. Willie Brown, his Mattress, Kamala Harris, Harris,

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Gavin Newsom, Nancy Pelosi, my goodness, I love to say, hey, kid,
but you can't make up for it. That's just too much.
That is just too much. Well, we got to have
term limits, Michael, or note we don't. We have term limits.
It's called elections. Show up and vote. It's that simple,
show up and vote. If you have term limits, you

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just make the bureaucrats more powerful. You know, I'm going
to talk in a minute about weight loss drugs, and
I'm gonna make a bunch of people mad, And that's
fine because the truth does that and be a simple
It's the Michael Berry Show, simple man. Several people have

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asked why I didn't spend more time talking about Dick Cheney.
I'm not sure why anyone wants me to talk about
Dick Cheney, but I'm gonna set the clock ramon when
I start. I will speak for one minute on Dick Cheney,
and then I want to move on. My not speaking
should have spoken volumes or how I feel about the issue,

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but I'll do so now. I don't know what Dick Chene.
He was like as a personal human being, as an individual,
was a husband, as a father. But I think Dick
Cheney did great harm to this country. I think Dick
Cheney's warmongering because he was a profiteer of the war process.

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I think that cost the lives of a lot of
very good people. And I've met some of the people
who had to pick up the pieces afterwards. And I
speak for a group called PTSD Foundation of America. Camp
Hope and that organization is where veterans help veterans cope

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not commit suicide. These veterans, over twenty per day who
take their own lives have experienced horrible things, unspeakable things
that I will never understand. I don't understand brain trauma.
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
It is.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I'm gonna blow through that minute Romo.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Ship it though.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Ramon's over there going excuse me, Uh, it's been a
it's been a minute. I don't understand brain trauma. I
don't understand it when it's blunt force. I don't understand
it when when a when a guy is concussed on

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a football field or hit with a baseball. I don't
understand it when it's not a physical injury but it's
purely mental. I don't understand that. I don't understand it
because I don't have the tools or the experience to
understand it. I was starting to buddy of mine yesterday.

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I called him the Aggie Plumber. He's got a plumbing
shop with him and his son out in College Station, Texas.
And I love this story partly because I'm I'm a
little bit of a part of it. But his son
decided he didn't want to go to the school where
he was going anymore, and he did. His son decided,
I don't want to go to college.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Dad.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
You didn't go to college. Grandpa didn't go to college.
And we're a third generate. We could be a third
generation plumbing company. I've been working for you weekends and summers.
I want to work for you, work full time. So
my buddy called and said, can you believe he said this?
That's crazy? I said, what's wrong with it? You did
exactly the same thing. Well, yeah, but I want something
for my kid. Well you want something better. Better, You

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own your own business. You've been married for twenty years,
You've got I've always got ten kids or so, I've
got a bunch of kids. Traditional Catholic, white Catholic, but Catholic.
It don't matter Hispanic or white Catholics. Just somehow Catholics
are just like, honey, we hadn't had a baby in
nine months, or we hadn't had a baby in a month.

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Time you get pregnant again. Well I was watching my stories,
I know, but get in here real quick. We got
to make another baby. I guess that's what Catholics do.
I can't figure it out. I don't know how Catholics
make so many babies, but they do anyway. So he
says to his son, well, let me talk to your
mom about it. So he he calls me and said,

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what do you think? I said, I love it. His
name's Eli, great kid, I said, listen, what's the point
of him sitting in class being bored out of his mind?
He's a smart kid. Sometimes the kids that have the
most trouble in school are not dumb kids, but really
smart kids. Because it's kind of one size fits all,
and so if you're too far above or too far

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below the mean, then you're checked out. And by the way,
you're already half checked out when you're a young man. Anyway,
your hormones are flowing. All you're caring about is what
Susie's wearing today. And she's braided her hair, and it's
making you crazy. And she's put that she squirted that
love potion on and it's that smell is just making

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you crazy. And she's painted her nails and she's got
little boobs coming in and she's wearing a skirt today,
and boy, you can't concentrate. And people really don't understand.
I was preaching on this yesterday. People really don't understand
what's going on in the male mind at that age.

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And it's all we can do to keep these bulls
in the pen and not release them out to just
go crazy. So anyway, I said, it's a great thing.
What's the point of him sitting in class if he
knows what he wants to do in life as you
did when you were a young man. So every day
he gets up in the morning, sixteen years old, goes
to work with his dad, and guess what, He's got

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money in his pocket. He's bought himself a truck. He
loves what he's doing, and he's doing his schooling online.
It turns out, now I don't know, you can look
wherever you are in the country, but UT does this.
They did a Texas Tech program and you can go
online and you can actually buy some of them are free.

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You can buy high school graduation, you know, a senior year,
junior year in the state of Texas. I know that
you've got these sites where that the universities have created
where you just you literally log in every day and
here's what you do, all right, work through these problems.
Here's the answer over here, and here's your grade, and
you got this wrong, and go back and fix this,

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and it's self taught. Now. I know a lot of
people will say, well, no, no, you need to go
in there and you need to sit in the classroom.
But I don't believe that most of life is self taught.
And if you need to rely on someone else to
structure the learning process for you, and you think that
the only place learning occurs is in a classroom, there

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are a lot of people that seem to believe that
that once they graduate high school, they got their certificate,
they don't have to learn anymore. Life is about learning.
That's the beautiful thing about it. You should be growing
and learning every day all day. Speaking of which, you
are going to love, Love Love. My guest coming up.

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He's with Tpusay's faith group. Charlie Kirk was part of
this book, but he's written You're gonna like this, stay
enjoy it. After September twelfth, I received a number of
calls from folks, emails from folks people had to be
talking to, and they would say, I didn't realize what

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turning point was, or I just knew the name Charlie Kirk,
but I didn't know that much about what he was doing,
and then to a person they said, but I've gone
back and looked at the YouTube videos and this man
is doing something amazing. It's incredible what he was doing.

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And then they talk about, you know, being hopeful that
this will launch this organization and bigger, which is of
course what Charlie would have wanted. And I have referred
to him as he said that he wanted to be
remembered as an evangelist, and that is such a powerful thing,
not a political organizer, an evangelist. He was a political organizer,

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he was a cultural force, but he was an evangelist
and that's the most important thing. And as I've said,
he was an evangelist on par with Billy Graham. And
I mean that we have another evangelist with us today.
It's our honor to welcome to the program for the
first time turning Point Pastor Lucas Miles. Welcome, good sir, Hey,

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thanks for having me on new book Pagan Threat, Confronting
America's Godless Uprising. I always ask what to say. I
always start interviews like this, discussions like this with the
first the same question, what do you hope to accomplish
with this.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah, I hope to bring awareness to I think an
imminent danger in this nation. It's already really among us,
and it is what I would call this pagan threat.
As honored to serve Charlie Kirk for the last eighteen
months or to do, yeah, you know, kind of introduce
this concept talking about him. And I've been the senior
director of tposa faith overseeing the faith arm of Turning

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Point USA underneath his leadership, and it's you know, I'm
more resolved now than ever, obviously through the lens of grief,
but we know what the mission is, and Charlie understood
this threat. I believe ultimately it's his threat that took
his life, and that is an intentional esurping of Christian

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values and the dominant Christian worldview in this nation to
replace and supplant it with a post Christian and pagan
ideology for a very intentional purpose, in order to have
Marxism embraced. Marxism cannot coexist in a Christian society. They're

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antithetical to one another. But if you can supplant and
deconstruct that Christian worldview and replace it with a marx
or with a Pagan worldview and demoralize the American people.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Now you have a shot of getting Marxism accepted.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
And so we're seeing a very intentional, bought and paid
for revival among a you know, those who hold to
a false ideology to try to counteract I believe what
God's doing in this nation.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
So obviously we have this conversation in the shadow of
the Mamdani election. How does that affect a book that
you would have completed before it was clear he was
going to win.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, and so you know, Mondani was.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
I think a perfect example of this is that we
have this intersection of several things at once. We have
this intersection of specifically, you know, islamisis and a Marxist
and these two things don't really you know, work together.

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Muslims and Marxists don't have the same playbook. But we're
seeing with this Marxist overlay a you know, it's sort
of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and
they're finding ways to work together and to even co
identify together to gain momentum. When you understand that the

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engine that's driving so much on the left is what
is known as the Hegelian dialectic, and basically what Hagel
put out there was the German philosopher that you have
in order to move forward in history and gain progress,
that you have to have conflict, and that conflict is

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driven by what he called the thesis of the day,
basically the dominant worldview colliding with the antithesis, and that
you intentionally introduce the antithesis for the purpose of creating
that conflict and chaos, because on the other side of
that will be a melding, and that will be this

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synthesis that comes out on the other side. So if
we do this very quickly, you have capitalism. Free market
at one time was the thesis of America. And you
put against that the opposite, the antithesis, which is socialism,
and what do you get on the other side.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
You get democratic socialism.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
And so that becomes kind of this new thing that
has the language of the free market, but is still
being driven by the radicalism of the socialist agenda. We've
seen the same thing happen with Mandani, where it is,
you know, democratic socialism has become kind of the norm
in a place like New York City. That's what the

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average person on the street holds to. Now, what's the
opposite of that. The opposite of that is the Islamis
estate that is a total you know, totalitarian religious velidant
movement that is completely antithetical to this socialist, you know position.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
But you put those two things.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
Together, and now you have a candidate on the other
side that's electable because he's a democratic socialist Muslim, and
so he has the form and the language of a
democratic socialist, but the agenda of an a Islamicist. And
now he's in position to be able to be mayor
of New York City and drive that that radicalism further

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into kind of the ethos, you know, of that.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Of that city.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Charnie Kirk wrote the intro to the book, How does
it be? What goes through your mind when you look
at the book and you see his name as the forward,
the author of the forward?

Speaker 5 (21:50):
You know this is uh, It's difficult, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I mean, I.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
The book came out the week after Charlie is martyred.
That was pre scheduled, you know, it had been pushed
actually several times. It was originally going to come out
in the summer, and there were delays with publishing and
everything else that happened all the time, and it got
pushed until until September.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
And you know, just.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Knowing first off that Charlie understood the threat and he
understood what was at stake every single day, and yet
he was still willing to place himself in positions to
be able to influence the younger generation, even at the
risk of threat of life and personal peril. And you know,
he did this day after day, sometimes three and four

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events a day. I mean, Charlie worked harder than anybody
that I'd ever seen. And he was the most integrity
filled person. What he said from you know, the microphone
is what he lived in his real life, and it's
how he led, you know, as a boss and a
leader and a visionary.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
And I'm honored.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
It's kind of forever twined us in many ways. But
there's there's nobody else I'd rather have part of this
book than him. It's obviously helped fuel a lot of
the success of the book, is even his involvement with
it at that time, and it's it's I can't help
but just you know, see that what the enemy intends

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for evil, God, God, you know, looks for ways to
bring good on the other side of that.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
And certainly this.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Revival and this movement and the awareness that's happening. You know,
it gives me more hope for this nation and for
the Gospel. Knowing that people are waking up and I think,
you know, recognizing their need for a savior.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
And the importance of the Cross.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
You use the word revival, and there's a good Southern
Baptist to grow up on the revival circuit. That's what
I have described it as. I don't remember a revival
in my lifetime on this scale, and I relate it
all to what happened and the good work of TPUSA.
Our conversation with Pastor Lucas Miles about his book Pagan

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Threat Confronting America's Godless Uprising. Stay tuned more. This is
so Michael Berries Show. Pastor Lucas Miles is our guest.
He's written a book called Confronting America's Godless Uprising Pagan
Threat Confronting America's Godless Uprising, the forward by his friend

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and TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk. Of course we lost September tenth. Lucas,
talk to me for a moment. I know we want
to talk about the book, but talk to me about
how things have changed for turning Point USA. After Charlie's
I say assassination, you say martyrdom. I'm very comfortable with
that term as well. Talk to me about how that

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has changed for the organization.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yeah, you know, there has been a ground sweld support
that has just encircle us here at turning Point that
has really helped fuel the work that Charlie started and
the work that we continue to do. We are so
great full for the prayers, the letters, the you know,
our donors are just you know, boots on the ground
out there saying how can I help? And there have

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been countless vigils around the country honoring Charlie. In the
days and weeks that followed his death, there have been,
you know, just a just a massive influx of pastors
and churches that want to get on board. We had
just to give you an idea, about four thousand churches

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on September tenth that were already part of TPUSA Faith.
We have since gone to eight thousand churches. We have
doubled in sixty days what it took us several years
to be able to build. And so we are growing
at an exponential rate right now. And we have a
deep bench. You know, Charlie nobody. Nobody is going to

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be Charlie Kirk. There's nobody that can fill his shoes.
There's nobody that can be exactly who he was. And
he fulfilled I believe, a divine purpose in his generation.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
He did what he was called to do.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
His life was was snuffed out early because of an
evil you know, violent you know, agenda and force and
and and individual that you know took it upon himself
to try to silence Charlie and and it's it's demonic.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
But I will say.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
That that, you know, Charlie gather around himself a very
a very deep bench of people who were like minded
that that that had the same result that he had,
the same heart that he had. And we are bound together,
you know, to to see his mission continue. And I

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always say to Charlie, you know, Charlie knew how to
build and find gladiators. And that's really when you look
at TPUs A and t BUSA faith the individuals here
are a lot of them are very young.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I'm I'm you know, I'm probably I'm at forty six.
I'm on the top end of the scale.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Here of a turning point, you know, But it is
our staff. Even though they're young, they are so dedicated,
so strong, and have so much grit and they just don't stop.
And this is the spirit that's always been here at
turning point. It's the spirit that's going to continue. I
think it's even stronger now than it's ever been before.
And so you know, certainly we're serving through the lens

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of grief right now and that's not.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Just going to go away.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
But we're in great hands our c suites and amazing
Erica now has been you know, Charlie's widow has been
named as a CEO. I spent a little bit of
time with her this week and some meetings, and she
is She's just amazing. It's obvious that God's hands on her.
She is just resilient, she's dedicated to this mission. She's
you know, just blocking out the noise. And we're just

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getting to work doing you know, this job of not
only you know, creating the most conservative generation, but from
my department standpoint, in the faith department, the most Christian generation.
And we're not going to stop till we accomplish that.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I do believe that. And what's fascinating, and I've said
this minute many times, and obviously Donald Trump recognized it.
Charlie Kirk was not only saving souls and teaching about
the fundamentals of American virtue, but he was doing that
to an audience that typically we've not been successful at reaching.

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And that's what made this so incredibly special. Lucas, I
will get back to the book, but tell me how
you got involved with all of this, and I would
be interested in your testimony. Yeah, Absue.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
So I've been pastoring the same church for going on
twenty one years now in just outside of south of Indiana,
near the University of Notre Dame, and that's born and
raised that area, had moved away for a while, started
preaching at seventeen, planted the church at twenty four, and
I'm still doing that today in my mid forties. And
I had been brought into the ecosystem of Turning Point

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USA and TPUSA Faith.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think that one of the staff.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
Here had gotten a hold of one of my previous
books called The Christian Left that came out kind of
around COVID, exposing a lot of the infiltration of progressive
thought within the church and kind of calling out some
of the early iterations of woke pastors and things. And
they brought me into a couple of pastor summits where

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I spoke at for TPUSA Faith and had the opportunity
to kind of slowly build a relationship with Charlie. I
first met him in twenty twenty and you know, by
twenty twenty three had a pretty good rapport that had
developed with him, had been on his show a couple times,
had done an event with him that he brought me
in where he interviewed me for about an hour plus

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in front of a big audience on my book Woke Jesus,
and was just always so open handed and generous, and
although we were doing somewhat similar things on the faith side,
there was never a spirit of competition. He was just
always like, you're like minded, let's let's empower you, Let's
let's get you out there, let's and he just helped

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use really the platform that he had built and to
amplify the work that I was doing. It was it
was very remarkable and uncommon, even in the Christian space
for somebody to be that generous.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
He had shared with.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
Me privately a little over a year and a half
ago that that they were, you know, working on some
things in the faith department and he really had a
vision for the need for a pastoral figure kind of
at the helm of TPUs, a faith to lead the
staff on a on a day to day basis and
really kind of have one foot in operations and one

(30:38):
foot in the pastoral doctrinal oversight, you know, of where
we were going. And previous to this had been a
lot of operational uh you know direction kind of boots
on the ground, but but less so on the pastoral
you know, role. And so he kind of created this
new position. And he told me that they were, you know,
beginning to search, and I had shared with him, I said,

(30:59):
you know, very happy being where I was totally not
thinking about anywhere on my bingo card of having working
for Charlie Kirk on there, I just said, hey, if
you help that in't somebody let me know, I'll fly
out here on my own dime, make sure you find
the right fit and kind of share with them a
couple of thoughts I had on what they needed to
look for, and he said, I might take you up
on that. And about three weeks after he called me
and said, hey, I found.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Somebody, it's you. When can you start?

Speaker 5 (31:22):
And so I was completely caught me off guard, but
I knew as soon as the words came out Charlie's
mouth that it was a god It was a God
ordained moment. And my whole experience with Charlie felt like that.
It just always every moment felt special, every moment felt unique.
There was just something on his life, and he had
just seemed to have no wasted time, no idle moments,

(31:45):
and just you know, lived his life so efficiently in
doing what God had called him to do, from how
he learned to how he you know, shared with others,
to how he spent time with his family like he
was just so intentional and taught me a lot. Even
though I'm you know, I had fifteen years on him.
I learned a tremendous amount from him just watching him

(32:06):
and being around him. And so I've been honored to
be on the team now for about eighteen months overseeing
our faith operations, and we're excited about what comes next
and just to keep it hit the legacy going.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
We've been on the phone for fifteen minutes. That's the
entirety of what I know of you. But I can
already see what He saw in you, and it's amazing
that great people surround themselves with great people. And that's
how you build even bigger things. And you don't worry

(32:39):
about who gets credit for things. You can't bother to
be jealous. You build something big and great. And I
can see that I do want to talk about the book.
I owe you that just one moment. Pastor Lucas Miles
is our guest. The book is pagan threat, confronting America's
godless uprising.