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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and Load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Michael Verie show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Blessed other merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are
the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Blessed
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other peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
John, the contours of a potential peace plan are coming
together after President Putin's visit here in Alaska. Russia essentially
wants control of territories in eastern Ukraine if they are
going to agree to cease fire everywhere else. Ukraine wants
security guarantees. They want Western troops to come into their
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country and guarantee that Russia doesn't come back and try
anything again.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I refuse to bend the knee to their next endless
war in Ukraine. I want peace, They want money, and
they want conflict, even if it means walking us into
the brink of World War three, which frankly it is doing.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It was determined by all that the best way to
end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to
go directly to a peace agreement which would end the war,
and not a mere ceasefire agreement, which oftentimes do.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Not hold up can you say if you want Ukraine
or Russia to win this war.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I want everybody to stop dying.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They're dying, Russians and Ukrainians. I wanted to stop. February
twenty fourth, twenty twenty two verses rolled into Ukraine. It's
only been three years. The loss of life, the waste
of money, the distraction, the devastation, the architecture that was lost,
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the lives devastated, the husbands and sons on both sides
who will never come home, the time and energy spent
on war that could have been spent on so many
more productive endeavors. Matthew five nine says, blessed are the peacemakers,
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for they shall be called the children of God, or,
as you heard in the opening audio, the Son of God,
the children of God. The takeaway is that the peacemakers
are exalted, and today we exalt our president, of whom
we should all be so incredibly proud, because he is
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a peacemaker. It was February twenty seventh of this year,
just a matter of days ago, that Vladimir's Zelensky came in,
emboldened by the support of the Democrats and the Lindsey Grahams,
and he proceeded to lecture Donald Trump, and JD. Vance
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stepped in and said, you ought to be grateful. Trump
kept his cool. To his credit, he kept his school.
I wouldn't have I'd have lost my as your kids say,
I'd have lost my hm. It rhymes with spit or pitt.
I would have lost mine. But Trump was dignified. He's
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a deal maker. He was emotionally invested, but he was
taking the long game. Zelensky's a hot head. Zelensky didn't
have cards. Trump told him, you don't have the cards.
Zelensky was told get out. February twenty seventh. Now looks
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like we've got the framework for a deal. The most
important thing, according to Zelensky, is wanting protection to avoid
to avert another invasion by Russia. A reasonable request. A
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reasonable request. Zelensky had to understand that he's not holding
the cards. Trump's insistence that Europe pay the United States
for the protection of Ukraine with the javelins, with humanitarian aid,
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with expertise. Europe stands to gain by Ukraines sustained a
hegemony over their country. The very existence of Ukraine is
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a benefit to Europe. Why then, wasn't Europe paying for
Ukraine's defense? Why were we? Because I maintain and I
believe this with every fiber of my body, just like
I believe the COVID vaccine did not stop COVID and
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it ended up killing a lot of people. I believe
this just the same way that I believe that the
Epstein files will never truly be released because the depth
and breadth of what was involved will cause your brain
to explode. It's so much more than just some billionaires
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getting off with children raping little children. I believe that
America's corruption in Ukraine is coming to an end, and
that involves the Clintons, and it involves some Republicans as well.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
The Michael Barry Show, Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know, when Tampa Bay brought Tom Brady down, I
worried that he would not be able to deliver on
the expectations they had for his excellence. It was a
new scheme. Each year he was getting one year older,
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and especially it being a new scheme, new coach, new
talent around him. Gronk ended up coming on board. But
when they won that championship, you realized that people are
not plug and play. They're not fungible. Great people do
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great things, and everybody else doesn't. Trump willed this meeting
to happen the February twenty seventh, throwing Zelenski out, and
everyone said, you know, Trump didn't conduct himself like a
president and this was embarrassing and he had to just
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bear it. It reminds me of Jimmy Johnson when he
made the trade for herschel Walker to Minnesota, and at
the time the Dallas Press and the National Press Jimmy
Johnson was coaching, had just come into the Cowboys and
not a good team. I think they were one and
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fifteen the year before, maybe two and fourteen. They weren't good.
I know that they hadn't been good for a little while.
And Jimmy Johnson makes his trade and he seemingly gets
nothing in the trade because the players that he traded
for weren't superstars, and herschel Walker was still a superstar.
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And Jimmy Johnson's trade was that every player that he
didn't sign, he would get that was traded to him.
He would get Minnesota's first round draft pick. Well, he
couldn't say I just pulled off the greatest trade in
NFL history. And he did, I just pulled off the
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greatest trade in NFL history. Couldn't do that because that
would show bad faith that he traded for those players
with the intention of dumping them so that he would
get first round draft picks. He used those draft picks
to build one of the greatest teams in NFL history.
And I'm not even a Cowboys fan. I've never rooted
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for the Cowboys, but I can admire what he did.
But when that happened Jimmy Johnson, people were saying, with
an idiot he was it hay Seed from Port Arthur, Texas.
He's an idiot. He should go back to Miami. He's
not a pro coach. Well, he fooled everybody, didn't he
He fooled everybody because slowly but surely, he sucked every
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draft pick out of Minnesota, every first round draft pick
they had for years, and he made great picks with
those choices, and he built a powerhouse team and the
results speak for themselves. On February twenty seventh, how quickly
people have forgotten when Zelenski came in all wound up
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like a little chihuahua, barking, and Trump let him bark.
Trump let him make a fool of himself. Trump understands
how to negotiate because he's had to do it. He's
had to do it with very high stakes financially, and
here it was the highest of stakes. You know, the
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comment has been made that when you walk the floors
of the Congress, the egos are very big. Every person
there is a former student body president of their college
or at least their high school. Every one of them
is a star in their own right, in their own world.
And now you've got to get them together and get
them to work for the common good under the direction
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of someone who is even above them. And they don't
like that. Putin came to Alaska American soil and he said,
when asked, would he have invaded in February of twenty
twenty two if Trump had been the president, and he
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said absolutely not. That was a great statement of of
obeisance toward Trump by a man who is very, very proud,
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a very proud Russian. For him to say that about
Trump was an olive branch. It was, you know, they
have they have criticized that that. You know, he was
buttering up. Let me see if I got the audio here, Ramon,
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I've got audio of them saying that he's just, you know,
he's he's he's playing Trump, because this is what Democrats
have to say. He's playing Trump, and Trump can't come
out and say, no, I'm playing him. Putin wanted peace,
there's no doubt about that. There's no doubt. But he's
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still holds the cards of only he can stop the fighting,
and so he came in. You know, Trump made the
point when he was interviewed in Alaska, they said, what
do you think about the fact that he just launched
a big attack on Ukraine? And he said, I think
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he did that with the intention of trying to get
a better deal from me, and it's not going to work.
Trump's like a five year old kid at the dinner table.
He says things that people think that go unspoken, and
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they cut the air because they're so darn honest, and
you cringe because you because the truth is to be suppressed.
Trump's honesty at a moment like that. I don't know
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to what extent Putin understands double n tender, clever quips,
sarcasm in a foreign language. But Trump speaks like Hemingway wrote,
in a very direct manner, and rather than play Koy
about that. He addressed it, and in the process he
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dismissed it. We're watching a man conduct diplomacy at the
highest level before our very eyes, who had no experience
at it. And you know, this is Castlereagh and Metternich
in Vienna, this is Potsdam. I mean this, this is
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as good as it gets. This this is better than
Kissinger going to Vietnam or Nixon going to TOWNA Gleberry Show,
Colberry Show. I think I've said my piece. I think
you know where I am on this. Secretary of State
Marco Rubio and a few of the Sunday Morning we'll
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call him news shows, as if what they're reporting is news.
He was asked on ABC This Week by Martha Raddits,
I'm sorry on ABC this week, sorry if Russia asked
for any concessions during the summit in Alaska.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Can you name any concessions that Vladimir Putin made during
this meeting? Has he any pro any concess program?
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Why would I do that?
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Where is the because he can't have a piece agreement. Now,
you can't have a peace agreement unless both sides give
and get. You can't have a piece agreement unless both
sides make concessions.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
That's the fact.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
That's true, and virtually any negotiation if not, it's just
called surrender. And neither side is going to surrender, So
both sides are going to have to make concessions. So,
of course concessions were asked. But what utility would there
be of me going on a program and tell you
we've wagged our finger at Putin and told them you
must do this and you must do that. It's only
going to make it harder and less likely that they're
going to.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Agree to these things.
Speaker 8 (15:21):
So these negotiations, as much as everyone would love it
to be a live pay per view event, these discussions
only work best when they are conducted privately. Negotiation serious
negotiations in which people who have to go back and
respond to constituencies, because even solitarian governments have constituencies they
have to respond to.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
People have to go back and defend these.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Agreements that they make and so figure out a way
to explain them to people. So we need to create
space for concessions to be made. But of course concessions
were asked.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The live pay per view comment was a scripted comment
that he had rehearsed, and he delivered it with a plumb.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
It was.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
He has practiced that that was prepared for him. He
knew that question would be asked. That was a way
of silencing the criticism or the secrecy within which these
types of meetings have to be held. If Putin does
not feel he can trust Trump and that Trump would
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rather go get a momentary, temporary victory by spilling the
beans right now, then you don't get the long term deal.
And that's Trump is in his second term. He is
thinking on a different level than he did in his first.
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He is thinking about his legacy. When the tunnel starts
to narrow and the light starts to fade, you start looking.
You start thinking differently. You start thinking about after you're gone,
how you'll be remembered. And Trump understands the Alaska Accords,
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the meeting today and peace in between Russia and Ukraine.
That's a crowning achievement. You got Azerbaijan the other day.
I mean, this is I think the seventh peace deal
he will have pulled off. I don't want to jinx it,
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it's still early. But forget the Nobel Prize created by
a man who felt guilty that he invented dynamite. Forget
the prize by some Swedes sitting with pointy heads, you
might as well have the World Economic Forum making comments.
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Secretary Rubio told Kristen Welker of Meet the Pressed that
this is not our war, and it's not we need
to stop acting like it is, but that President Trump
wants to end it nonetheless.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Well, first of all, the Russians are already facing very
severe consequences. There's not a single sanction that's been lifted,
and not one, I mean, they're facing all the same
sanctions that have been in place today. All the American
support continues for Ukraine. And ultimately, look, if we're not
going to be able to reach an agreement here at
any point, and then there are going to be consequences,
not only the consequences of the war continuing, but the
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consequences of all those sanctions continuing and potentially new sanctions
on top of it as well. But what we're trying
to do right now is end of war. And in
order to end a war, you've got to give every
opportunity that exists. You have to be open any opportunity
that exists to bring it about. And here's the thing
to remind everybody and when the President says, this is
not our war. But let's be frank, this is not
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our war. The United States is not in a war.
Ukraine is in a war, and we've been supporting Ukraine.
We happen to be in the role of the only country.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
In the world. We're the only leader in the world.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
That can actually bring put into a table to even
discuss these things.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Now. The President has traveled.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
All the way to Alaska all the way back, has
dedicated months and months of work him, our entire team
on this matter.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Because we want to see an end of the war.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
But if tomorrow the war continues, life in America will
not be fundamentally altered.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
And so I think that we have to understand is
that this has.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
Been a priority for this president because he wants to
promote peace. He wants to promote the end of a war.
And I think we should be happy that we have
a president that's trying to promote peace and bring a
war to an end.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
You'd think, right, it's almost as if, almost as if
the Democrats, Republican establishment in the media want this war
to continue. I'm not sure why people like Kristen Welker
think they can catch Ruby off guard with a gotcha question.
First of all, Trump has set the standard with his cabinet.
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Trump has set the standard that you are not to
allow them to beat you up. It's like the kid
who goes off school and he's being picked on and
his dad says, if you don't bust him in the nose,
then you come home and I'm gonna whip you. So
now you fear your dad more than the bully. And
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that's the tone Trump has set for his cabinet. So
Kristin Walker thinks she's going to catch him with a
gotcha question, and it never ends up the way she
thinks it's going to. Ever, she thought she could trip
him up by playing something he had said previously about
Trump being a liar.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
I want to play something you said about President Putin.
This was right after the invasion in March of twenty
twenty two.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Take a look.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
This guy lies, habitually lies. He's never kept a dealer
I've ever signed, and he's he lies all the time.
And I don't know why, but he plays us like
a violin in the West because the West wants to
believe that you can cut a deal with everybody.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
You can't cut a deal with guys like this. He's
a professional, experienced liar. Mistress Secretary.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Given that, what makes you think that if you are
able to reach a deal with President Putin, that he
would stick to it based on as you just said,
he's a liar.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Well, that's the point.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
That's why the deal has to have enforceable mechanisms in it.
That's why the deal has to have things like security guarantees.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
That's the point I was making a few minutes.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Ago when you were asking me about looking someone in
the eye. What's important here is actions, not words, not
paper document Those are important. Those are elements of a deal,
but they have to be enforceable, they have to be verifiable,
they have to be enduring. And there's no point here
in signing a deal that's going to be violated in
three or four months. There's no point in doing that.
It actually would make things worse. So that's why this
is such a difficult thing. Not only do you need
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a deal, you need a deal that's verifiable, that's enforceable,
and that's enduring. If you don't achieve that, then I
think you could have a cease fire for a few months,
a few weeks, and then the war will start again
and more people will die. That's not the outcome we're
interested in. That's not the outcome anybod who wants. So
that's why this is so difficult.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I was never a Rubio fan. I was a fan.
I was a fan when he first ran. He was
he was a tea party guy in twenty ten. I
was a big fan. And then he got to the
Senate and felt like he sold out. And I was
not a fan of his presidential campaign. But I'll tell
you what, he has grown. He has matured, and as
he's shown there, I think he has. He has demonstrated
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a gravitas that I did not see him having. He
is more serious. He's on the world stage. He's the
Secretary of State of our country. I mean, this is
a position that luminaries have held. This is a demonstration
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and exhibition of a set of skills. I wasn't sure
he had, but boyd he's He's making me very proud
right now.
Speaker 10 (23:01):
You're listening to him.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Michael berry Shaw. One of the talking points of the
left was Okay, well Trump got putin to do what
he wanted. Instead of applauding him for that, the way
they applauded Joe Biden for just you know, being able
to walk three feet without falling over. Instead of applauding
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him for that, because Putin will determine if the war
ends or not. And instead of saying great job President
of all America, Donald Trump, they said, well, Putin can't
be trusted, he's a liar. Because that that way, hopefully
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they can sour the deal. Is Putin a liar when
you make a deal with him, Well, no less than
the patron saint of the left, Bill Clinton said to
Piers Morgan that every time he had a dealing with
with Putin, Putin kept his word.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Effort to get the Syrian government to declare, disclose and
then hand over their chemical weapons. We'd be crazy not
to take advantage of this.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
There's something they'll saying there something, something sounds too good
to be true.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
It usually is too good to be true.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
Can we really believe that Vladima Putin, with his own
self interest for Russia, is orchestrating this huge maneuver to
remove all of US science chemical weapons and it's just
going to happen.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
No, we don't have to believe it.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
We just have to see what happens and make the
most of what happens.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
You.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
You work for the best and prepare for the worst
in this business. But I think it would be a
terrible mistake not to take advantage of the opportunity. And
you know, look, mister Putin has got he got all.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
He's very smart, but you know him better than most people.
Speaker 10 (24:51):
Yeah, what was he like behind closed doors, away from
you know, the sort of the public utterances?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Smart and remarkably we had a really good blunt relationship.
Speaker 10 (25:05):
Help blunt, brutally blunt.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
No, But I think, you know, I think the right
strategy most of the time is but it's frustrating to
people in your line of work. You should be brutally
honest with people in private, and then if you want
them to help, you try to avoid embarrassing them in public. Now,
sometimes they do things which make it impossible for you
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to keep quiet. But by and large, I found all
the people I dealt with appreciated it if I told
them the truth, how I honestly felt, and what our
interests were and what our objectives were. And they also
appreciated it when I didn't kick them around in public.
For as long as I couldn't kick them around. So
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you know, that's my experience.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
And Computerion ever reneged on a personal note, he did not,
so behind closed.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Doors he could be trusted.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
He kept his word and all the deals we made.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Hmmm.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Ruby also went on Face the Nation where he stopped
Margaret Brennan in her tracks when she alleged that European
leaders were joining Zelensky at the White House because they
feared he would be bullied by President Trump into accepting
a peace deal. What would be wrong with him being
bullied into accepting a peace deal. It would be good
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for everyone.
Speaker 11 (26:30):
But anyway, you know, there is concern from the Europeans
that President Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing
something away. That's why you have these European leaders coming
as back up tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Can you.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
That's not true? But that's not why why that's not true.
They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being.
Speaker 11 (26:51):
Bullied television cameras where President Zelinsky, Oh, no, I know,
And I was just up in La One with Vladimir
Putin where red carpet rules.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
We've had more meetings we've had we've had We've had
one meeting with Putin and like a dozen meetings with Zelenski.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
So, but that's not true.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.
They're coming here tomorrow because we've been working with the Europeans.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
We talked to them last week.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
There were meetings in the UK over the follow the
previous weekend and.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
As early as Thursday.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
But you said that they're coming here tomorrow to keep
Zelensky for being bullied.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
They're not coming here tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
This is such a stupid media narrative that they're coming
here tomorrow because the Trump is going to bully Zelensky
into a bad deal. We've been working with these people
for weeks, for weeks on this stuff. They're coming here
tomorrow because they chose to come here tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
We invited them to come.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
We invited them to come, The President invited them to come.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
But the President told those European leaders last week that
he wanted to ceasefire. The president went on television said
he would walk out of the meeting if Vladimir Putin
didn't agree with on He said there would be severe
consequences if he didn't agree to one. He said he
walk out in two minutes. He spent three hours talking
to Vladimir Putin. Then he did not get one.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Because obviously things happen during that meeting. Well, because obviously
things look Our goal here is not to stage some
production for the world to say, oh, how dramatic you
walked out. Our goal here is to have a peace
agreement to end this war, Okay.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
And obviously we felt and I agreed, that there was.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
Enough progress, not a lot of progress, but enough progress
made in those talks to allow us to move.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
To the next phase.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
If not, we wouldn't be having Zelenski flying all the
way over here. We wouldn't be having all the Europeans
coming all the way over here. Now understand, and take
with a grain of salt. I'm not saying we're on
the verge of a peace deal, but I am saying
that we saw a movement, enough movement to justify a
follow up meeting with Zelinsky and the Europeans, enough movement
for us to dedicate even more time to this. You
talk about the sanctions. Look, at the end of the day,
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if peace is not going to be possible here and
this is just going to continue on as a war,
people will continue to dive by the thousands. The president
has that option to then come in and impose new sanctions.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
But if he did this.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Now, the moment the president puts those adtional sanctions, that's
the end of the talks. You've basically locked in at
least another year to year and a half.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
Of war and death and destruction.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
We may, unfortunately wind up there, but we don't want
to wind up there. We want to wind up with
a peace deal that ends this war so Ukraine can
go on with the rest of their lives and rebuild
their country and be assured that this is never going
to happen again. That's the goal here. We're going to
do everything possible to make that happen.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
If it's doable, it.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
Will require both sides to make concessions, it will require
both sides to get things they're asking for.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
That's how these deals are made.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Whether we like it or not, not everyone in the
media has been so critical of President Trump. Jonathan Carl
of ABC News is not typically kind to Trump, pointed
out that the president the Alaska Accords were made for television. Now,
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I've read several folks say that this was all, you know,
a grip and grin. This was all a photo op.
The president understands the symbolism of things throughout history. Grand
gestures can change history. And yes, this president understands stagecraft.
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That's something to be proud of.
Speaker 12 (30:14):
I mean Donald Trump. Some will question whether he knows statecraft.
He does, David no stagecraft. That was a made for
television moment, seeing him walk down one red carpet, greeting Houghton,
walking down another red carpet, and then getting in to
the presidential limo. There have been so many critics of
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this summit over the past several days, saying, how could
Donald Trump welcome Vladimir Putin to American soil? How could
he give him the honor of meeting with an American president.
They will no doubt have a similar reaction when they
see that picture of a smiling Vladimir Putin in the
seat there next to the President in the presidential limo.
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I can tell you this though, Donald Trump sees it
entirely differently. He sees this is he has brought the
Russian president to American soil. This is a home game
for Donald Trump. He has brought him to American land.
He has done that flyover of the B two bomber,
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just like the B two bombers that took out the
air campaign against the Iranian nuclear facility. Walking by American
firepower and getting in to the most sensitive personal vehicle
in America, Oaks.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
If you heard me say that, you'd go okay. That's
interesting for the liberal media to be saying that. I mean,
this is how far we come.
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and Load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Michael Verie show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Blessed other merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are
the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Blessed
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other peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
John, the contours of a potential peace plan are coming
together after President Putin's visit here in Alaska. Russia essentially
wants control of territories in eastern Ukraine if they are
going to agree to cease fire everywhere else. Ukraine wants
security guarantees. They want Western troops to come into their
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country and guarantee that Russia doesn't come back and try
anything again.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I refuse to bend the knee to their next endless
war in Ukraine. I want peace, They want money, and
they want conflict, even if it means walking us into
the brink of World War three, which frankly it is doing.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It was determined by all that the best way to
end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to
go directly to a peace agreement which would end the war,
and not a mere ceasefire agreement, which oftentimes do.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Not hold up can you say if you want Ukraine
or Russia to win this war.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I want everybody to stop dying.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They're dying, Russians and Ukrainians. I wanted to stop. February
twenty fourth, twenty twenty two verses rolled into Ukraine. It's
only been three years. The loss of life, the waste
of money, the distraction, the devastation, the architecture that was lost,
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the lives devastated, the husbands and sons on both sides
who will never come home, the time and energy spent
on war that could have been spent on so many
more productive endeavors. Matthew five nine says, blessed are the peacemakers,
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for they shall be called the children of God, or,
as you heard in the opening audio, the Son of God,
the children of God. The takeaway is that the peacemakers
are exalted, and today we exalt our president, of whom
we should all be so incredibly proud, because he is
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a peacemaker. It was February twenty seventh of this year,
just a matter of days ago, that Vladimir's Zelensky came in,
emboldened by the support of the Democrats and the Lindsey Grahams,
and he proceeded to lecture Donald Trump, and JD. Vance
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stepped in and said, you ought to be grateful. Trump
kept his cool. To his credit, he kept his school.
I wouldn't have I'd have lost my as your kids say,
I'd have lost my hm. It rhymes with spit or pitt.
I would have lost mine. But Trump was dignified. He's
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a deal maker. He was emotionally invested, but he was
taking the long game. Zelensky's a hot head. Zelensky didn't
have cards. Trump told him, you don't have the cards.
Zelensky was told get out. February twenty seventh. Now looks
(04:11):
like we've got the framework for a deal. The most
important thing, according to Zelensky, is wanting protection to avoid
to avert another invasion by Russia. A reasonable request. A
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reasonable request. Zelensky had to understand that he's not holding
the cards. Trump's insistence that Europe pay the United States
for the protection of Ukraine with the javelins, with humanitarian aid,
(05:02):
with expertise. Europe stands to gain by Ukraines sustained a
hegemony over their country. The very existence of Ukraine is
(05:23):
a benefit to Europe. Why then, wasn't Europe paying for
Ukraine's defense? Why were we? Because I maintain and I
believe this with every fiber of my body, just like
I believe the COVID vaccine did not stop COVID and
(05:44):
it ended up killing a lot of people. I believe
this just the same way that I believe that the
Epstein files will never truly be released because the depth
and breadth of what was involved will cause your brain
to explode. It's so much more than just some billionaires
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getting off with children raping little children. I believe that
America's corruption in Ukraine is coming to an end, and
that involves the Clintons, and it involves some Republicans as well.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
The Michael Barry Show, Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know, when Tampa Bay brought Tom Brady down, I
worried that he would not be able to deliver on
the expectations they had for his excellence. It was a
new scheme. Each year he was getting one year older,
(06:50):
and especially it being a new scheme, new coach, new
talent around him. Gronk ended up coming on board. But
when they won that championship, you realized that people are
not plug and play. They're not fungible. Great people do
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great things, and everybody else doesn't. Trump willed this meeting
to happen the February twenty seventh, throwing Zelenski out, and
everyone said, you know, Trump didn't conduct himself like a
president and this was embarrassing and he had to just
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bear it. It reminds me of Jimmy Johnson when he
made the trade for herschel Walker to Minnesota, and at
the time the Dallas Press and the National Press Jimmy
Johnson was coaching, had just come into the Cowboys and
not a good team. I think they were one and
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fifteen the year before, maybe two and fourteen. They weren't good.
I know that they hadn't been good for a little while.
And Jimmy Johnson makes his trade and he seemingly gets
nothing in the trade because the players that he traded
for weren't superstars, and herschel Walker was still a superstar.
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And Jimmy Johnson's trade was that every player that he
didn't sign, he would get that was traded to him.
He would get Minnesota's first round draft pick. Well, he
couldn't say I just pulled off the greatest trade in
NFL history. And he did, I just pulled off the
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greatest trade in NFL history. Couldn't do that because that
would show bad faith that he traded for those players
with the intention of dumping them so that he would
get first round draft picks. He used those draft picks
to build one of the greatest teams in NFL history.
And I'm not even a Cowboys fan. I've never rooted
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for the Cowboys, but I can admire what he did.
But when that happened Jimmy Johnson, people were saying, with
an idiot he was it hay Seed from Port Arthur, Texas.
He's an idiot. He should go back to Miami. He's
not a pro coach. Well, he fooled everybody, didn't he
He fooled everybody because slowly but surely, he sucked every
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draft pick out of Minnesota, every first round draft pick
they had for years, and he made great picks with
those choices, and he built a powerhouse team and the
results speak for themselves. On February twenty seventh, how quickly
people have forgotten when Zelenski came in all wound up
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like a little chihuahua, barking, and Trump let him bark.
Trump let him make a fool of himself. Trump understands
how to negotiate because he's had to do it. He's
had to do it with very high stakes financially, and
here it was the highest of stakes. You know, the
(10:11):
comment has been made that when you walk the floors
of the Congress, the egos are very big. Every person
there is a former student body president of their college
or at least their high school. Every one of them
is a star in their own right, in their own world.
And now you've got to get them together and get
them to work for the common good under the direction
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of someone who is even above them. And they don't
like that. Putin came to Alaska American soil and he said,
when asked, would he have invaded in February of twenty
twenty two if Trump had been the president, and he
(10:52):
said absolutely not. That was a great statement of of
obeisance toward Trump by a man who is very, very proud,
(11:13):
a very proud Russian. For him to say that about
Trump was an olive branch. It was, you know, they
have they have criticized that that. You know, he was
buttering up. Let me see if I got the audio here, Ramon,
(11:35):
I've got audio of them saying that he's just, you know,
he's he's he's playing Trump, because this is what Democrats
have to say. He's playing Trump, and Trump can't come
out and say, no, I'm playing him. Putin wanted peace,
there's no doubt about that. There's no doubt. But he's
(12:00):
still holds the cards of only he can stop the fighting,
and so he came in. You know, Trump made the
point when he was interviewed in Alaska, they said, what
do you think about the fact that he just launched
a big attack on Ukraine? And he said, I think
(12:20):
he did that with the intention of trying to get
a better deal from me, and it's not going to work.
Trump's like a five year old kid at the dinner table.
He says things that people think that go unspoken, and
(12:42):
they cut the air because they're so darn honest, and
you cringe because you because the truth is to be suppressed.
Trump's honesty at a moment like that. I don't know
(13:05):
to what extent Putin understands double n tender, clever quips,
sarcasm in a foreign language. But Trump speaks like Hemingway wrote,
in a very direct manner, and rather than play Koy
about that. He addressed it, and in the process he
(13:29):
dismissed it. We're watching a man conduct diplomacy at the
highest level before our very eyes, who had no experience
at it. And you know, this is Castlereagh and Metternich
in Vienna, this is Potsdam. I mean this, this is
(13:55):
as good as it gets. This this is better than
Kissinger going to Vietnam or Nixon going to TOWNA Gleberry Show,
Colberry Show. I think I've said my piece. I think
you know where I am on this. Secretary of State
Marco Rubio and a few of the Sunday Morning we'll
(14:17):
call him news shows, as if what they're reporting is news.
He was asked on ABC This Week by Martha Raddits,
I'm sorry on ABC this week, sorry if Russia asked
for any concessions during the summit in Alaska.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Can you name any concessions that Vladimir Putin made during
this meeting? Has he any pro any concess program?
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Why would I do that?
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Where is the because he can't have a piece agreement. Now,
you can't have a peace agreement unless both sides give
and get. You can't have a piece agreement unless both
sides make concessions.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
That's the fact.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
That's true, and virtually any negotiation if not, it's just
called surrender. And neither side is going to surrender, So
both sides are going to have to make concessions. So,
of course concessions were asked. But what utility would there
be of me going on a program and tell you
we've wagged our finger at Putin and told them you
must do this and you must do that. It's only
going to make it harder and less likely that they're
going to.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Agree to these things.
Speaker 8 (15:21):
So these negotiations, as much as everyone would love it
to be a live pay per view event, these discussions
only work best when they are conducted privately. Negotiation serious
negotiations in which people who have to go back and
respond to constituencies, because even solitarian governments have constituencies they
have to respond to.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
People have to go back and defend these.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Agreements that they make and so figure out a way
to explain them to people. So we need to create
space for concessions to be made. But of course concessions
were asked.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The live pay per view comment was a scripted comment
that he had rehearsed, and he delivered it with a plumb.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
It was.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
He has practiced that that was prepared for him. He
knew that question would be asked. That was a way
of silencing the criticism or the secrecy within which these
types of meetings have to be held. If Putin does
not feel he can trust Trump and that Trump would
(16:24):
rather go get a momentary, temporary victory by spilling the
beans right now, then you don't get the long term deal.
And that's Trump is in his second term. He is
thinking on a different level than he did in his first.
(16:46):
He is thinking about his legacy. When the tunnel starts
to narrow and the light starts to fade, you start looking.
You start thinking differently. You start thinking about after you're gone,
how you'll be remembered. And Trump understands the Alaska Accords,
(17:07):
the meeting today and peace in between Russia and Ukraine.
That's a crowning achievement. You got Azerbaijan the other day.
I mean, this is I think the seventh peace deal
he will have pulled off. I don't want to jinx it,
(17:29):
it's still early. But forget the Nobel Prize created by
a man who felt guilty that he invented dynamite. Forget
the prize by some Swedes sitting with pointy heads, you
might as well have the World Economic Forum making comments.
(17:50):
Secretary Rubio told Kristen Welker of Meet the Pressed that
this is not our war, and it's not we need
to stop acting like it is, but that President Trump
wants to end it nonetheless.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Well, first of all, the Russians are already facing very
severe consequences. There's not a single sanction that's been lifted,
and not one, I mean, they're facing all the same
sanctions that have been in place today. All the American
support continues for Ukraine. And ultimately, look, if we're not
going to be able to reach an agreement here at
any point, and then there are going to be consequences,
not only the consequences of the war continuing, but the
(18:23):
consequences of all those sanctions continuing and potentially new sanctions
on top of it as well. But what we're trying
to do right now is end of war. And in
order to end a war, you've got to give every
opportunity that exists. You have to be open any opportunity
that exists to bring it about. And here's the thing
to remind everybody and when the President says, this is
not our war. But let's be frank, this is not
(18:44):
our war. The United States is not in a war.
Ukraine is in a war, and we've been supporting Ukraine.
We happen to be in the role of the only country.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
In the world. We're the only leader in the world.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
That can actually bring put into a table to even
discuss these things.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Now. The President has traveled.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
All the way to Alaska all the way back, has
dedicated months and months of work him, our entire team
on this matter.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Because we want to see an end of the war.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
But if tomorrow the war continues, life in America will
not be fundamentally altered.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
And so I think that we have to understand is
that this has.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
Been a priority for this president because he wants to
promote peace. He wants to promote the end of a war.
And I think we should be happy that we have
a president that's trying to promote peace and bring a
war to an end.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
You'd think, right, it's almost as if, almost as if
the Democrats, Republican establishment in the media want this war
to continue. I'm not sure why people like Kristen Welker
think they can catch Ruby off guard with a gotcha question.
First of all, Trump has set the standard with his cabinet.
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Trump has set the standard that you are not to
allow them to beat you up. It's like the kid
who goes off school and he's being picked on and
his dad says, if you don't bust him in the nose,
then you come home and I'm gonna whip you. So
now you fear your dad more than the bully. And
(20:10):
that's the tone Trump has set for his cabinet. So
Kristin Walker thinks she's going to catch him with a
gotcha question, and it never ends up the way she
thinks it's going to. Ever, she thought she could trip
him up by playing something he had said previously about
Trump being a liar.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
I want to play something you said about President Putin.
This was right after the invasion in March of twenty
twenty two.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Take a look.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
This guy lies, habitually lies. He's never kept a dealer
I've ever signed, and he's he lies all the time.
And I don't know why, but he plays us like
a violin in the West because the West wants to
believe that you can cut a deal with everybody.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
You can't cut a deal with guys like this. He's
a professional, experienced liar. Mistress Secretary.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Given that, what makes you think that if you are
able to reach a deal with President Putin, that he
would stick to it based on as you just said,
he's a liar.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Well, that's the point.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
That's why the deal has to have enforceable mechanisms in it.
That's why the deal has to have things like security guarantees.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
That's the point I was making a few minutes.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
Ago when you were asking me about looking someone in
the eye. What's important here is actions, not words, not
paper document Those are important. Those are elements of a deal,
but they have to be enforceable, they have to be verifiable,
they have to be enduring. And there's no point here
in signing a deal that's going to be violated in
three or four months. There's no point in doing that.
It actually would make things worse. So that's why this
is such a difficult thing. Not only do you need
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a deal, you need a deal that's verifiable, that's enforceable,
and that's enduring. If you don't achieve that, then I
think you could have a cease fire for a few months,
a few weeks, and then the war will start again
and more people will die. That's not the outcome we're
interested in. That's not the outcome anybod who wants. So
that's why this is so difficult.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I was never a Rubio fan. I was a fan.
I was a fan when he first ran. He was
he was a tea party guy in twenty ten. I
was a big fan. And then he got to the
Senate and felt like he sold out. And I was
not a fan of his presidential campaign. But I'll tell
you what, he has grown. He has matured, and as
he's shown there, I think he has. He has demonstrated
(22:22):
a gravitas that I did not see him having. He
is more serious. He's on the world stage. He's the
Secretary of State of our country. I mean, this is
a position that luminaries have held. This is a demonstration
(22:43):
and exhibition of a set of skills. I wasn't sure
he had, but boyd he's He's making me very proud
right now.
Speaker 10 (23:01):
You're listening to him.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Michael berry Shaw. One of the talking points of the
left was Okay, well Trump got putin to do what
he wanted. Instead of applauding him for that, the way
they applauded Joe Biden for just you know, being able
to walk three feet without falling over. Instead of applauding
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him for that, because Putin will determine if the war
ends or not. And instead of saying great job President
of all America, Donald Trump, they said, well, Putin can't
be trusted, he's a liar. Because that that way, hopefully
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they can sour the deal. Is Putin a liar when
you make a deal with him, Well, no less than
the patron saint of the left, Bill Clinton said to
Piers Morgan that every time he had a dealing with
with Putin, Putin kept his word.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Effort to get the Syrian government to declare, disclose and
then hand over their chemical weapons. We'd be crazy not
to take advantage of this.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
There's something they'll saying there something, something sounds too good
to be true.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
It usually is too good to be true.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
Can we really believe that Vladima Putin, with his own
self interest for Russia, is orchestrating this huge maneuver to
remove all of US science chemical weapons and it's just
going to happen.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
No, we don't have to believe it.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
We just have to see what happens and make the
most of what happens.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
You.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
You work for the best and prepare for the worst
in this business. But I think it would be a
terrible mistake not to take advantage of the opportunity. And
you know, look, mister Putin has got he got all.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
He's very smart, but you know him better than most people.
Speaker 10 (24:51):
Yeah, what was he like behind closed doors, away from
you know, the sort of the public utterances?
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Smart and remarkably we had a really good blunt relationship.
Speaker 10 (25:05):
Help blunt, brutally blunt.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
No, But I think, you know, I think the right
strategy most of the time is but it's frustrating to
people in your line of work. You should be brutally
honest with people in private, and then if you want
them to help, you try to avoid embarrassing them in public. Now,
sometimes they do things which make it impossible for you
(25:30):
to keep quiet. But by and large, I found all
the people I dealt with appreciated it if I told
them the truth, how I honestly felt, and what our
interests were and what our objectives were. And they also
appreciated it when I didn't kick them around in public.
For as long as I couldn't kick them around. So
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you know, that's my experience.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
And Computerion ever reneged on a personal note, he did not,
so behind closed.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Doors he could be trusted.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
He kept his word and all the deals we made.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Hmmm.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Ruby also went on Face the Nation where he stopped
Margaret Brennan in her tracks when she alleged that European
leaders were joining Zelensky at the White House because they
feared he would be bullied by President Trump into accepting
a peace deal. What would be wrong with him being
bullied into accepting a peace deal. It would be good
(26:29):
for everyone.
Speaker 11 (26:30):
But anyway, you know, there is concern from the Europeans
that President Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing
something away. That's why you have these European leaders coming
as back up tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Can you.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
That's not true? But that's not why why that's not true.
They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being.
Speaker 11 (26:51):
Bullied television cameras where President Zelinsky, Oh, no, I know,
And I was just up in La One with Vladimir
Putin where red carpet rules.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
We've had more meetings we've had we've had We've had
one meeting with Putin and like a dozen meetings with Zelenski.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
So, but that's not true.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.
They're coming here tomorrow because we've been working with the Europeans.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
We talked to them last week.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
There were meetings in the UK over the follow the
previous weekend and.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
As early as Thursday.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
But you said that they're coming here tomorrow to keep
Zelensky for being bullied.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
They're not coming here tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
This is such a stupid media narrative that they're coming
here tomorrow because the Trump is going to bully Zelensky
into a bad deal. We've been working with these people
for weeks, for weeks on this stuff. They're coming here
tomorrow because they chose to come here tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
We invited them to come.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
We invited them to come, The President invited them to come.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
But the President told those European leaders last week that
he wanted to ceasefire. The president went on television said
he would walk out of the meeting if Vladimir Putin
didn't agree with on He said there would be severe
consequences if he didn't agree to one. He said he
walk out in two minutes. He spent three hours talking
to Vladimir Putin. Then he did not get one.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Because obviously things happen during that meeting. Well, because obviously
things look Our goal here is not to stage some
production for the world to say, oh, how dramatic you
walked out. Our goal here is to have a peace
agreement to end this war, Okay.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
And obviously we felt and I agreed, that there was.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
Enough progress, not a lot of progress, but enough progress
made in those talks to allow us to move.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
To the next phase.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
If not, we wouldn't be having Zelenski flying all the
way over here. We wouldn't be having all the Europeans
coming all the way over here. Now understand, and take
with a grain of salt. I'm not saying we're on
the verge of a peace deal, but I am saying
that we saw a movement, enough movement to justify a
follow up meeting with Zelinsky and the Europeans, enough movement
for us to dedicate even more time to this. You
talk about the sanctions. Look, at the end of the day,
(28:47):
if peace is not going to be possible here and
this is just going to continue on as a war,
people will continue to dive by the thousands. The president
has that option to then come in and impose new sanctions.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
But if he did this.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Now, the moment the president puts those adtional sanctions, that's
the end of the talks. You've basically locked in at
least another year to year and a half.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
Of war and death and destruction.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
We may, unfortunately wind up there, but we don't want
to wind up there. We want to wind up with
a peace deal that ends this war so Ukraine can
go on with the rest of their lives and rebuild
their country and be assured that this is never going
to happen again. That's the goal here. We're going to
do everything possible to make that happen.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
If it's doable, it.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
Will require both sides to make concessions, it will require
both sides to get things they're asking for.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
That's how these deals are made.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Whether we like it or not, not everyone in the
media has been so critical of President Trump. Jonathan Carl
of ABC News is not typically kind to Trump, pointed
out that the president the Alaska Accords were made for television. Now,
(29:49):
I've read several folks say that this was all, you know,
a grip and grin. This was all a photo op.
The president understands the symbolism of things throughout history. Grand
gestures can change history. And yes, this president understands stagecraft.
(30:11):
That's something to be proud of.
Speaker 12 (30:14):
I mean Donald Trump. Some will question whether he knows statecraft.
He does, David no stagecraft. That was a made for
television moment, seeing him walk down one red carpet, greeting Houghton,
walking down another red carpet, and then getting in to
the presidential limo. There have been so many critics of
(30:38):
this summit over the past several days, saying, how could
Donald Trump welcome Vladimir Putin to American soil? How could
he give him the honor of meeting with an American president.
They will no doubt have a similar reaction when they
see that picture of a smiling Vladimir Putin in the
seat there next to the President in the presidential limo.
(30:58):
I can tell you this though, Donald Trump sees it
entirely differently. He sees this is he has brought the
Russian president to American soil. This is a home game
for Donald Trump. He has brought him to American land.
He has done that flyover of the B two bomber,
(31:23):
just like the B two bombers that took out the
air campaign against the Iranian nuclear facility. Walking by American
firepower and getting in to the most sensitive personal vehicle
in America, Oaks.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
If you heard me say that, you'd go okay. That's
interesting for the liberal media to be saying that. I mean,
this is how far we come.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!