PM Show Hr 2 | Oath keepers Founder Stuart Rhodes on HIs Jan. 6 Incarceration

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. Michael
Very Show is on the air.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
At first, they thought this was a joke that fred
coming from President Trump. They had had good relations with
President Trump in his first term. They then were mystified.
Then they got angry and defiant. Then you started seeing,
as we've seen here in just the last days that
we've been here all this week, flags being arrayed all
across on the sweets in Panama. It's not a because

(00:45):
here it's in defiance of the US and of Marco
Rubio's incoming visits.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, I've told you that we're going to tell the
stories of the January sixth political prison, and we've begun
doing that, and there will be a lot of stories
to be told, but this one in particular. We've talked
to people who didn't serve time at all, but it
still they feel wrecked their lives because they lost their jobs.

(01:16):
They cost them a lot of money and legal fees
and everything that went with that. And that's people that
were on probation that were grateful that on January twentieth,
the President pulled them out of the prison that they
were living in at the hands of the Democrats. But
this particular case. This is an individual who got the
book thrown at him. They they came for blood. This

(01:40):
is one of those stories that you will not soon forget.
You may know the name of Stuart Road. He is
the founder of the Oathkeepers. Now that word, that term
has been so slandered and maligned that whatever you may think,
all I ask you to do is keep an open mind.
And his story and what was done to him. You

(02:02):
can't believe this was done on American soil today, but
it was. Stuart Roads is our guest, the founder of
Oath Keepers. Stuart, let's start. We're going to take the
time to really explore this magazine style instead of newspaper,
and I'll turn off my mic when I ask you
an open ended question so you'll have time to answer them.
Let's start with what the oath Keepers is or what
oath Keepers is, because the media has portrayed y'all in

(02:26):
one way. But explain that to folks that don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Sure, I've found oath Keepers two thousand and nine and
what it is as an association of both current serving
and retired military police firefighters, switch and rescue ems Like
I was a paratrooper in the Army, I'm going disablem veteran.
I was also a volunteer firefighter, and the mission was
to encourage all those who are still current serving to

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respect the Constitution, to honor their oaths by refusing fall
orders that would violate the Constitution. And then the flagship
example we used is Hurricane Katrina, where you had police
officers from around the country to aid after the hurricane
who were who followed unlawful orders to confiscate weapons from
local citizens who were just trying to detect themselves from looters.

(03:11):
You know, the mayor of New Orleans a Democrat and
the police chief a Democrat, issue in order they're going
to take all the guns and they did. That was
later ruled to be unconstitutional by a court, but that
didn't help the people on the ground who were disarmed
in the face of looters. So we saw that and
said we need to educate our law enforcement and military
because National Guard was also maulled about where the lines
are constitutionally, So that's what that's the motivation for starting

(03:32):
the organization was to make sure that goes through instilling
current service don't find the rights of the American people.
And of course because I started it during the Bold administration.
Immediately we were attacked and insinuations. We made it. We
were somehow racism. It's just but a nonsense. And my
organization has always been about thirty percent law enforcement officers
and much much of my leadership because law was law enforcement.
Any we did a lot of lawuntier security starting with

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Trump's inauguration. In fact, in twenty seventeen against antieth in
the streets, I say, we're very successful. Never operation because
Antifa is putting clothes on us because they knew we
had competent man military and police. So we're not in
violent whatsoever. Because the Media Act took six savored the
one of the most violent groups out there, is just

(04:15):
complete nonsense. It's all this propaganda. They don't like us
because we stopped. They're violent foot thugs and TITHA and
Black Lives Matter in the streets of America. Were very successful.
That's why they hate us, and that's why when January
sixth came, we were there to do security again. We've
done multiple security operations in DC think nine prior operations.
We'd done security, volunteer security for permitted events. In November

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and December of twenty twenty and on j six himself.
We were doing security for two permitted events as one
was Latinos were Trump in Area seven, which is next
to the set of office buildings, and the other one
was for Ali Alexander's event went outside the Capitol doors
on the east side and that was an Area eight.
So that's why we were there. Let's do security because
you had to do security in DC. TIFA will attack

(05:00):
people and beat Trump supporters if they've been doing for
the entire Trump administration. That's our record, it's what we do.
That's why we were there that day. And then when
the doors on the east side opened up, some of
our men who were standing on the steps because they
were up there with their protectees who would have wanted
up the steps, they wandered in like everybody else did,
after the doors were opened by somebody else, and I

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guys entered full twenty minutes after Congress had recessed, and
at least twenty five minutes after others had already entered
the building. So they didn't breach anything, they didn't lead anything.
They wandered in after other people had already gone inside.
And once they were inside they actually helped police three
different times, including de escalating potentially deadly confrontation between officer
Harry Dunn, who was how they agitated on his M

(05:43):
four about really opened fire on some Trump supporters, and
our guys stepped in between, put their back to Harry
dun offstter done, but their palms out until the other
Trump support other Trump supporters, and de escalated the situation
and public convent that tragedy. So but after the fact,
of course, Harry Gune done on the stand and lied,
he purged himself on the stand, and another officer they
had on the stand, Alscer Lazarus, also lied. They said

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they were together, and Lazarus said when he written us this,
you know, potentially violent competition the oath he was were
threatening Harry Dunn. It's all a lie because Lazarus was
actually at that time under the Senate building in the tunnels.
And Steve Baker from BLACD based there in Dallas, discovered
that video that proved Lazarus was not where he said
he was. So if that showed that both officers lied

(06:27):
on the sand, that's what happened throughout our trial. You
had perjurc testimony that I believe it. Si Borne by
the by the prosecutors. Yet you have subordination of perjury
being done, and that's happened in other cases, but our
case we colm red handed. So that's that's kind of
a backdrop.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
It's almost like you've told that story before. I don't
think you set up a single m I don't think
you eliated in any moment. I don't think you corrected
a word that you said. That's pretty solid. He's also
sounds like you've been in a deposition or a thousand
because you have the very steady, uh storytelling, recitation of facts.
You know you you got this thing down. Brother Stuart Lawyers,

(07:04):
he is the founder of Oath Keepers. Let me ask
you to do what I often ask people to do.
I've got about forty five seconds left in this segment.
Explain what the mission of oath Keepers is. Because you
gave the bigger picture. If someone is to take away
from this, what is oath Keepers? What does it do?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Now?

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Who's in it? But what does it do?

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Defend the Constitution? I swore an oath as a paratrooper,
sith everybone else takes to defend, support and defendic Constitution.
Every law enforcement officer in the country takes the same oath.
So our mission was to defend the constitution Number one,
what we call reach teaching the spire, reach out to
those have taken the oath, teach them more about the
constitution they swore an oath to defend and where the
lines are, and then inspire them to follow in fall

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fall suit and refuse on law for orders. So that's
what that's our mission outut of the gate. But of
course we have responsibility to protect the rights of the
American people, in particular the right to free speech and assembly.
That's what we were doing. Like I said, all three
the trip administration all across the country.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Do you want to know how long you took to
answer that question? Uh, hello, forty six seconds. I asked
you to take forty five. That is precise. Stuart Rhodes
of Oath Keepers, the founder, he was in prison. The
President got him out. He was to serve a long time.
We'll discuss him out. We're going to be changing the
name of the Gulf of Mexico.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
To the Gulf of Michael Barry, which has a beautiful.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Stewart Rhodes is the founder of Oath Keepers, and I
will ask of you what I often ask of you,
which is, do not come to the conclusion of whether
Donald Trump committed rape, or a financial fraud, or any
number of things that you've been told by the media,
because they have their own agenda. I don't trust the

(08:50):
clock shot. People died from it, but they told you
it would keep you from getting The President himself told
you'd keep you from getting COVID and it would keep
you from spreading it. That turned out to be a lie.
Before you form an opinion on anything or anyone based
on the drive by media, understand that they have an agenda.
Stuart Rhodes was in prison on January twentieth. When President

(09:14):
Trump was sworn in. On January twenty first, he was
released from prison, where he was to serve many more years. Stuart,
Let's talk about where you were on January sixth, what
did and didn't happen, what they accused you of, and
then I'll interrupt there because then we'll go to how
they prosecuted you and threw the book at you. They
wanted you. You were a trophy for them. But tell

(09:36):
what happened on January sixth.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
So on January sixth, like I said before, we were
there to do security for two permitted events like Capitol grounds.
I spoke at the Latinos for Trump event. I've been
very outspoken calling out the election of twenty twenty as
not as fraudule, but also illegal and unconstitutional. They violated
multiple state election laws in the Swing states, and that

(10:02):
triggered a violation of Oracle two because Article two makes
it very clear that only the state legislature can determine
the manner for selecting electors, not some judge, not some
election official in the executive branch. So that was that
was my red line. I don't need to be shown
proof of the fraud. I just need to know that
it was illegal and constitutional. Of course, if you if
you violate laws that are that are meant to prevent

(10:22):
fraud or make it easy to discover fraud, it becomes
easier to commit fraud. So that's why I think happened.
I stand by that to this day, and so as
President Trump. To his credit, and so it's Johnny, he's
been his attorney. So I think we're right. I think
history will proved out that that, yes, the election of
twenty twenty one stolen. In fact, they admitted it afterwards,
and that time magazine piece about how they quote unquote
save democracy. They admitted a coordinated effort across the country.

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So that's the backdrop, and we were there to protest
that and also to protect others in their right to protest,
and that's why everyone was in Washington, d C. In
that day. But they were permitted events all the way
around the Capitol. And this is something that folks need
to understand. It's not like every woman was at the
Ellipse rally where for President Trump and suddenly spontaneously the
side of the march on the Capitol. There were already
planned events around the Capitol. Just so there have been

(11:08):
planned events around the Capitol in November at the big
rally there, you know, the million Magna march, and also
in December. So it's a very common thing for there
to be planned and permitted events around the Capitol. In fact,
I think there were nine permits pulled on January the sixth,
so our biggest security team from Florida, led by Killy Maggs,
was escorting all the Alexander speakers from the Ellipse rally

(11:29):
up to the Capitol to speak, and they were going
to be members of Congress speaking there too. Turlie Greens
was scheduled of Josh Holly Groshert. Yeah, he was the
kiduled to speak there too, and a bunch of others.
So this is going to be a plan event. Remembers
the Congress were going to come back out after the
deliberations on the on the electors slates and they were
going to speak that day. Rogerstone was a keynote speaker.

(11:52):
That's why we were there. They didn't happen because the crowd,
you know, did what they did and went up the
steps and like I said before, my guys went in side.
Unbeknownst to me, I was standing on the outside trying
to locate my security teams because I wanted to keep
them out of what I saw was going on on
the west side where there were folks that were actually
fighting with the police as I was trying to locate

(12:12):
them to keep them out of trouble.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
How many one ind you have the Stuart Rhodes is
the founder of.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Altogether, we had about one hundred oathkeepers in DC on
that at that time, but only about twenty of them
went inside because the other other teams were out doing
other things. Personal security detail for Rogers Dane was one team.
The teams that were guarding the latinos for Trump team.
They stayed where they were in the Lower Senate Park
in Era seven. So I guess as I was looking

(12:39):
for my teams, I didn't go and sign did not
extect anybody else to but they of course painted me
as the mastermind. But something to keep in mind is
that February sixteenth, or twenty twenty one, just weeks after
j six happened, Benny Thompson, a member of Congress who
went on to chair of the j sixth Selectimmittee, he
filed a lawsuit along the other members of Congress, suing Trump, Giuliani,

(13:03):
both Keepers and Proud Boys, alleging a conspiracy. But Trump
is the kingpin to attack the capital and to disenfranchise
black voters. This was the other thing that threw in there,
that if you challenge the election in Michigan or Pennsylvania,
that you're you're trying to disenfranchise black voters.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
They fell. I think Bennie Thompson views everything as through
the lens of your somehow hurting black people, because that's
how he's gotten where he is, and that's the only
thing he knows how to say.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, that's his, that's his that's right, that's his rhetoric.
But by bringing this up, because that's where the narrative
was set, that's how early the narrative was set before
they can do any investigation. That's the narrative they wanted.
That's their predetermined destination. And everything that they did after that,
the K six Select Committee, dog and pony show, our
prosecutions are show trials and DC were all meant to

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make that, you know, quote unquote true because the ultimate
goal was simply to get President Trump, to prevent him
from being able to run again by just qualifying the
under the fourteenth Amendment if they could, by putting in
prison if they could. That's why they charged him along
with the rest of us, in DC or making unelectable.
And in the end none of that worked, and the
course after that, they had to try to kill him.

(14:15):
So that's what they did. So but all our prosecutions,
what I'm going to look at it is every J
sixth prosecution is a massive conspiracy case with Trump as
the designated target. They think the kingpin, both keepers and
proud boys. Me and Amick A. Tarrio, I'm the leader
of both keepers leader of the Proud Boys, as his lieutenants,
and everybody else that's his foot soldiers and it. But

(14:36):
the ultimate goal is to paint this picture that President
Trump inspired, you know, a so called insurrection. It's complete nonsense.
That was a protest that got somewhat out of hand,
but in large part, I believe because of excessive force
by law enforcement, sad to say, but also by provocateurs
in the crowd who made sure they got inside. That's

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why they don't want to talk about who opened those doors.
The ones who opened the doors, they're not prosecuted.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Of course, do you think Ray Epps was a plant
intended to insigne?

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I had it because I've been called I've been falsely
accused of that in the past. Because I wasn't arrested
for an entire year. People were saying, only must be
an informant. It's like now they took a year to
cook up fake evidence against me. But well, they smoke
this fire. You know, at our trial, we were not
allowed to show the video of Ray Apps and the
night of the fifth saying tomorrow we need to go

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into the Capitol. We couldn't show that video that we
were not allowed to show a video of Reps on
January the sixth, whispering in the ear of the first
of Ryan Sample, the first guy to push over one
of the bike racks. You mentioned Rep's name, So that tells.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Me why, why that's his evidence that the jury needs
to see. Haled with me for just a moment. Stuart
Road is our guest. So he is the founder of
Oath Keepers. He was arrested and sent to prison for
eighteen years. Had Donald Trump not been elected and sworn
in on January twentieth, he would not have been released

(16:10):
from prison January twenty. First, we'll talk about what prison
was like for him, and we'll talk about what he's
doing since and what he intends to do for the future.
Coming up. Stuart knows they remain scared to death of you,
and they remained scared to death of Trump at Michael
Barry Show. You're not going anywhere even if Trump does,
You're not. Stewart Roase is our guest. He is the

(16:33):
founder of Oath Keepers. He and one hundred of his
members were so were volunteering as security during the Trump
rally on January sixth. He was arrested and sent to
prison for eighteen years, pardoned along with about fifteen hundred
people by President Trump on the day of his inauguration
January twentieth and one of the first executive orders, and

(16:55):
he was released the following day. Let's quickly, I want
to get through all of that in two segments, So
quickly go through their case against you, how they arrested
you because they love the show of that, and and
how that all came down, and then I want to
get to prison.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Okay, well, actually I was not pardon I was commuted.
There's fourteen of us who received commutations rather than pardons,
and we're all either oathkeepers or proud boys. Not so
quite quite sure why, but we're we're of course hoping
and praying be pardoned as well. Like I'm a veteran.
I was sitting a really nasty letter by the VA
telling all my benefits been stripped from me, I'm a

(17:31):
disabled veteran, also telling me that I can't be buried
in the veterans cemetery but might pass away. So it's
pretty horrific. So there's other veterans I know, Joe Biggs,
another airborne veteran, is in that group too, So we're
still waiting for pardons, and we really hope and pray
and we have faith that this will happen eventually.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yes, all right, So tell about how they arrested you.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
So I restident. I was living in Dallas little elm
and and they just you know, show up outside the
doors and called me on my phone and said, you know,
come outside a westward for you. And I walked out
and uh, along with my roommate I was staying with
a family there, and we walked out together with hands up.
But then rifles on us. They had been sure there

(18:11):
were US marshals where they were, but they had rifles
on us apparently. I heard later they were trying to
get the media there too. They love that, but I
guess they had a screw up with the media and
couldn't coordinate properly. So the media was not outside like
life they really wanted it to be. They wanted to
do the perp walk with the media filming at all.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
So why didn't they do the bottot walk for you
with you for the media. That's a big trophy for them.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
They had a screw up with the media. I think that.
I guess the media was getting there too soon and
they were afraid the media would tip it off, so
they wanted to get it done. So you know, they
could have they could have called me. I'd have voluntarily
gone in. Did you have any ideas? I was? I
think so? I think, I think I even though I
had not done anything wrong. In our attorney and said, oh,
there's no reason may could ever possibly arrested. I said, look,

(18:53):
I had been prossed the rubicon, my coda fandans didn't
do anything wrong other than in trespass anyway, So I
already knew that they were they were. I was creating
this false narrative, so I expected it eventually. So a
year after all.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
This, you're you're arrested. And then do they offer any
plea deal at all?

Speaker 3 (19:09):
No, I would never take a plea deal. They've threaten
all of us with life in prison. This says all
the same letter and saying, oh, by the way, you
only have like a week or two to you know,
to respond through mine, through mine on a toilet and
I would lady have been in a solitary confinement from
day of my arrest. And I was in a solitary
confinement cell when I got the letter. I just touched
in the toilets where it belonged.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
So you weren't given other guys a bond option. Oh no,
we were.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I mean I try to get out and pre trial release,
but that was denied first by a magistrate in Texas.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Holy wow. You know, in Harris County and then the
Soros counties around the country. You can commit murder and
they'll they'll give you in many cases it's a personal
mcconnaissance fun but you got guys back out on the
street within hours, and they got blood all over them
from butchering their wife to death. And in many cases
they didn't pay anything. They didn't post any bail. They

(19:56):
just said they signed as if they have, you know,
some sort of credibility. And you get arrested and you're
stuck in you can't even prepare your case. That's awful. Stewart.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, that was done first by Kimberly Priest Johnson, a
so called conservative magistrate in Dallas. But then it was
also you get a shot, you know, in DC, but
good luck there, and judgemental of course also denied me
pre trial release. My priors were speeding tickets. That's it.
At age fifty six. No, no, prior to some speeding tickets.
They never have been arrested, the never been charged of
anything in my life, but they consider me so dangerous

(20:26):
because of the seriousness of the allegations. That was pretty
much all they needed.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
So so on me.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
The perception of innocence is dead. What's that to the
preception of innocent the country? And if you're a STRIM supporter.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
On May twenty three, so a full three years later,
you're sentenced to prison, right right, So that's quite it.
They wait a year to bring the case and then
two years later you're seeing So you've lost three years
of your life before you ever even start serving in prison.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Right arver, you're in solitary all through preview.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
And by the way, it's worth noting to folks, solitary
confinement is recognized in international conventions as a form of torture.
U It may not seem like it's that bad, but
if you've not it is. It is recognized in international
human rights conventions as a form of torture. And that's
what was done to you. Okay, So talk about what
life was like in prison for you, because I've talked

(21:24):
to j sixers who say that these guys had it
out for you which guys prison guards that they hated
the Jay sixers, that they made it difficult, that they
that I think you're Are you the one that I
read that you have to eat gluten free and they
wouldn't get and you lost sixty pounds? Or was that somebody?
Oh no, No, that was Quaglin. What's his name, Chris Quaglan. Yeah,

(21:47):
tell about your story in prison though, well, where.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
I was, first in Texas and Oklahoma, Cimarron, and then
in Virginia, most of the guards are conservative. If you're
in rural areas mostly conservative. Did the most problematic guards
were in d C. The guys who went first I was.
I was in Alexandria jail and those guards treatment, treatment
with respect. Most of them are conservative. I even had
guards apologize like we know you're you shouldn't be here,

(22:12):
and the third Trump supporters and we're sorry you're here.
So I got that a lot. Actually, it depends on
where you're at. If you're in an inner city area
where the guards to be more leftists, then you might
have problems. And that's what happens to the guys in
d C. And they were first. At first, the guards
were told they were racists. These are all white supremacists,
so I think they're mistreated because of that. But I

(22:34):
think eventually the guards caught you, caught a clue and
realized they're not like that. So but I think the
worst treatment for the guys went to the d C GULAG.
I wanted up there. Eventually it was a solitarier there
for six weeks, but that was after two years after
it all started. So by the time I got there,
the guards had you know, they've been slapped down by
the US Marshall Service as well for for for mistreating prisoners.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
So you were by then, you were in for twenty months.
I mean, I mean, you're a tough guy. You got
a tough guy background and all that. You're you're not
a fearful guy. You know, this is a conviction. You know,
it's a ministry. It is you know, you're burying your cross.
I got all that, But I mean, nobody expects to
be in prison, and certainly not in solitary confinement. Were

(23:17):
there moments where you're thinking, well, they did this agone
and they did this MLK, I guess I'm suffering for
or did you think to yourself, wow, uh, this is bad.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Well. I mean, I'm a Christian, and I know that
God will use for for good what meant me for evil.
Just when Jesup was stole in the slaverybody's brother the
then later betrayed by his master's wife on false accusations
I'm throwing in prison. I understand that you know the outcome,
and I think it's been proven truven true. Everything that's
thrown in President Trump only got stronger when it becomes stronger.

(23:50):
That's the same from the Maga movement. That's that's the
first perspective. I'm a Christian. Second, I come from a
military family. So uh, whatever I'm going through is nothing
compared to what my grandfathers did. Both of them fought
World War Two. What a great and what of them
did not. But what a great perspective you're.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Thrown into for following your conviction. You're thrown in prison
as a political prisoner, as a way to try to
hurt Donald, your your collateral damage to all of this,
and you're viewing this as it's not as bad as
it could be. I mean, wow, I gotta respect that
hold with me, if you would. Stuart Rhoades, the founder

(24:31):
of Oath Keepers, as are.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
The Michael Berry Show that.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Stuart Rhodes is the founder of oath Keepers. He was
thrown in prison, held in solitary confinement, arrested and thrown
in prison, couldn't be couldn't get bail. It's crazy. I
mean it's crazy that he couldn't even get out. You
know that you don't keep somebody, You book them, you
do all that you and then you let them out
because they're going to come back for trial. This guy's

(25:03):
not a flight risk, he's no threat. So he gets
eighteen years. He gets sentenced to eighteen years. And so
here we were. President Trump wins and you knew that
if President Trump didn't win, you're serving out your term, right.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Well, I was prepared for that. I was. I was
going to appeal, but you know, yes, I was ready
for the long haul. I already already prepared myself for that.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
So when he does win, what are you thinking, is
the chance that you'll get a commutation of your sentence,
that you'll be freed from prison.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Well, I knew one without a doubt, he would keep
that promise. I thought it'd be pardoned. I thought that
because I was one of the non violent people that
didn't go and sign for sure I would get a pardon.
And I was actually advocating, writing articles for Kay Pundent advocating,
and he pardoned all the guys, even those were accused
of violence because they didn't get fair trials. So it's
a bit of a surprise that they got They got pardons.

(25:56):
I did, and that's okay. I can deal with that.
So I'm coming soldier on and putting in my application
for a pardon, and I think eventually I will be
pardon too.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
So tell me what that process. Were you advised yet
it's happening, or did you Did you find out on
January twentieth, Hey, you've been commuted. You'll be out today
or tomorrow. And then you were out tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
We're watching the inauguration proceedings on the news, but we
got locked down because someone got stabbed in another part
of the facility. So we're still listening on the radio.
And I listened to him in the Oval office issue
the partons and proclamation or the partners and commutations, and
then I'm knocking on my door about eleven o'clock today,
packer stuff. I knew I was out of there. I

(26:40):
had faith it was going to happen. I really did.
I never never doubted it. I just was surprised at
the commutation. But I'm still glad to be out. It's
just a wonderful relief to be on the side of
of the razor wire.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Of course, every day is everybody's a good day, now,
you know. Yeah, paint me the picture of your reaction
when they came around and said pack your stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
It was a fantastic, It really was. Myle white gritty
couldn't wipe off my face. It was a fantastic And
all the guys are cheer in me. This is something
that everyone should know. Ninety percent of the man in
that prisoner approach up, black, white, Hispanic, all of them.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, I hear that guard him.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Oh the inmates listen to these shows. Lit's inmates listening
to Windy Bell up there. You know.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
They love get emails. I get less and less actual
snail mail, and mostly emails because I give it up
a mail address. But my assistant brings in the mail
every day after the morning show, and she comes in
with this. She'll come in with letters and you can
tell it's a prison inmate letter because you know, it's
got the unit on the outside, it's got all the

(27:42):
stamps and all that sort of stuff. And so it's
fascinating because people in prison, as you know you've been there,
they're more thoughtful in their writing because they have a
lot of time. They also use every square inch of
the paper. They'll write their letter and then they run
out of paper, so they'll start writing along the side
and they'll draw errows. I enjoyed getting writers from prison.

(28:04):
I find it to be fascinating. It feels like a
link with a different world. All right, I've got five minutes.
Stuart Roads, founder of Oathkeepers, I want to talk about
the future. Let's look at the future of Stuart Roads
and what you want to do from here.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Reach back into prison and pull more men out. We
still have Jeremy Brown, an Oathkeeper special Forces veteran, is
still being held. He was pardoned by President Trump, but
they you know that the powers that be are not
recognizing a felony case out of Florida where they planted
two grenades on him as retribution. He refused to turn

(28:41):
into a snitch against US and expose the two DHS
agency tried to recruit him. He played the audio and
put it up online. And so as retribution for that,
they did the same thing at mal Lago. They turned
off his cameras, his security cameras, and they first came
into his house and lo and behold, they discover you know,
quote unquote two grenades with none of his DNA, none
of US fibers, none of his fingerprints on him. So

(29:02):
those planet evidence. And now he's been pardoned by by
President Trump. But they're only recognizing the pardon for his
you know, misdemeanor trespass charge in d C. They're not
recognizing that the search that was done pursuing to the
Jason investigation where they supposed the families these were needs,
and that's this thing that's a separate case. And they're
not letting him out. So he's being released. That's first thing.

(29:23):
Job one is getting Jeremany out of prison. So but
there are others, there are other Jase sixers who have
other charges that they're like weapons charges for example, they
also need to be free to s that's job one.
But there are plenty of other people in this country
that have been railroaded. The Wittmer case in Michigan, you
still have two men that were that were wrapped up
in an entrapment in this nonsense case cooked up by

(29:45):
the FBI. The FBI can self creative a so called conspiracy.
And there's two of them are still sitting and thinking
Florence in Colorado and maximum security and global conditions, Saltry
confinement for years. They need to be free to So
there are plenty of other political prisoners in this country
that is is still still in there. So that's my
mission right now. I'm now working with Condemned USA. I'm
their new national spokesman, and my mission is get more

(30:06):
oled about. But I'm gonna tell you right now there
are other folks I've met in prison. They're innocent men,
well roaded by the same kind of nonsense entrapment. Like
one young man eighteen years old want to be an
army ranger, so he's going to arrange and shooting. They
sit in an FBI and foreman in mister cool biker
with tattoos who becomes his shooting buddy, and then he
entraps him, you know, cool Dunza suit and traps him

(30:28):
into buying some Auto series from the air at fifteen
he never would have sought to purchase on his own,
but because his buddy brings him out, he decides to
buy him. If it's a total entrapment, that kid does
not belong in prison, it's a WASTEI it's a waste
of his life. So there's lots of that going on
in our system and needs a sup wow.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Is that ever true? Is that ever true? You know
what I want to make sure we do. I know
you have a gift Sin to Go. I know that
the financial obviously you haven't been able to work through
all this. You had incredible expenses for those who want
to support you financially. Can you tell folks how to.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Get I don't have it in front of me, just
to give something to like it's your staff, but it's
the okay.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
On social media as well, it is gives a band
to Go is the website and by the way, a
lot of folks are using that now instead of the
old crowdsource funding because the person who you give it
to actually gets it instead of the people keeping it.
And his name is Stuart Rhodes ste w r T.
Or you can email me and I'll send you. They'll
have a link for me and my folks will send

(31:26):
you a link from there. Stuart. Looking back over all
of this, I've got about forty five seconds talk about
some of the people who stood up for you, big
or small, whether they brought you things to the prisoner,
they wrote to you, or they fought for you publicly
that you want to acknowledge.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Well, I want to to thank City Powell. She paid
for my attorneys for Texas. I really appreciate that. Her organization.
I believe it's the I think it's called say the Republic.
I think it's called that the City Pale stepped up.
I really appreciate that. I mean, I want to thank
President Trump. He stuck stuck to his guns, even even
though it's obvious people around him wanted him to turn

(32:04):
his back on us. He didn't do that. You know,
I think the Jaystic support community, most of them are grassroots,
a lot of are women. A lot of times women
are more courageous than the men. There were people I
know and sadly in Texas. I was rested there in Texas,
and there's plenty of people there that just disappeared to
want to fund your friends really aren't get get arrested.

(32:24):
But there are folks who all over the country that
wrote me. I thank them. They contributed money to our
commissary funds, they helped funder illegal defense. It's been fantastic.
When I got out a lady whose husband passed away,
who has a firefighter captain who donated a truck to me.
So it's it's been a real blessing. It's just been

(32:45):
amazing to see with the ground swell. Like I said,
it's mostly grassroots. It's just fantastic that the uphouring of
support for us has been fantastic. And every letter matters.
I mean, it's good to write people letters in prison
because it makes a difference for him here. It does.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
You know, sometimes you got to put in a very
bad situation for people to need to step up and
help you. And as men, we don't take help, but
when you're in a situation like that, it has to matter.
Stuart Rhodes, thank you for sharing your story. Founder of
Oath Keepers, and if you email me, I'll send you
a link to his gifts and to go. I'll also
post that on social media if you would like to
contribute to help him in his next space.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Thank you, sir, and a lot of the other j
sections out there have Gibson goes and a lot of them.
You need far more help than I do. A lot
of these guys actually homeless.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
YO. Help us, Thank you, and good night.