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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load from
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
At first, they thought this was a joke that thread
coming from President Trump. They had good relations with President
Trump in his first term. They then were mystified. Then
they got angry and defiant. Then you started seeing, as
we've seen here in just the last days that we've
been here all this week, flags being arrayed all across
on the sweets in Panama. It's not a big cauday here.
(00:45):
It's in defiance of the US and of Marco Rubio's
incoming visits.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, I've told you that we're going to tell the
stories of the January sixth political person and we've begun
doing that, and there will be a lot of stories
to be told, but this one in particular. We've talked
to people who didn't serve time at all, but it
still they feel wrecked their lives because they lost their jobs.
(01:16):
They cost them a lot of money and legal fees
and everything that went with that. And that's people that
were on probation that were grateful that on January twentieth,
the President pulled them out of the prison that they
were living in at the hands.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Of the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But this particular case, this is an individual who got
the book thrown at him. They they came for blood.
This is one of those stories that you will not
soon forget. You may know the name of Stuart Road.
He is the founder of the Oathkeepers. Now that word,
that term has been so slandered and maligned that whatever
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you may think, all I ask you to do is
keep an open mind and his story and what was
done to him. You can't believe this was done on
American soil today, but it was. Stuart Roads is our guest,
the founder of oath Keepers. Stuart, let's start. We're going
to take the time to really explore this magazine style
instead of newspaper and I'll turn off my mic when
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I ask you an open ended question so you'll have
time to answer them. Let's start with what the oath
Keepers is or what oath Keepers is, because the media
has portrayed y'all in one way, but explain that to
folks that don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Sure, I've found oath Keepers two thousand and nine and
what it is as an association of both current serving
and retired military police, firefighters, switch and rescue ems like
I was a paratrooper.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
In the Army. I'm going to sayble veteran.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I was also a volunteer firefighter, and the mission was
to encourage all those who are still current serving to
respect the constitution, to honor their oaths by refusing fall
orders that would violate the Constitution. And then the flagship
example we used is Hurricane Katrina, where you had police
officers from around the country to aid after the hurricane
who were who followed unlawful orders to confiscate weapons from
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local citizens who were just trying to detect themselves from looters.
You know, the mayor of New Orleans a Democrat and
the police chief a Democrat, issue in order they're going
to take all the guns and they did. That was
later ruled to be unconstitutional by a court, but that
didn't help the people on the ground who were disarmed
in the face of looters. So we saw that and
said we need to educate our law enforcement and military
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because National Guard was also mauled about where the lines
are constitutionally. So that's what that's the motivation for starting
the organization, to make sure that those were instill in
current service don't file the rights of the American people
and of course, because I started it during the Bold administration.
Immediately we were attacked and insinuations.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
We made it.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
We were somehow racism. It is just but to nonsense.
And my organization has always been about thirty percent law
enforcement officers, and much of my leaderships law was law enforcement.
Any we did a lot of launtier security starting with
Trump's inauguration. In fact, in twenty seventeen against antieth in
the streets, I say we were very successful. Never operation
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because Antifa is putting close on us because they knew
we had competent man military and police. So we're not
in violent whatsoever. Because the media took six favored the
one of the most violent groups out there, is just
complete nonsense. It's all just propaganda. They don't like us
because we stopped. They're violent foot thugs and TITHA and
Black Lives Matter in the streets of America. Be very successful.
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That's why they hate us, and that's why when January
six came, we were there to do security again. We've
done multiple security operations in DC. The nine prior operations
we've done security volunteer security for permitted events. In November
and December of twenty twenty and on j six himself.
We were doing security for two permitted events. So one
of was latinas were Trump in Area seven, which is
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next to the set of office buildings, and the other
one was for Ali Alexander's event right outside the Capital
doors on the east side, and that was an Area eight.
So that's why we were there, was do security because
you had to do security in DC. Titha will attack
people and beat Trump supporters, as they've been doing for
the entire Trump administration. So that's our record, it's what
we do. That's why we were there that day. And
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then when the doors on the east side opened up,
some of our men who were standing on the steps
because they were up there with their protectees who would
wanted up the steps, they wandered in like everybody else did,
after the doors were opened by somebody else, and I
guys entered full twenty minutes after Congress had recessed, and
at least twenty five minutes after others had already entered
the building. So they didn't breach anything, they didn't lead anything,
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They wandered in after other people had already gone inside,
and once they were inside they actually helped police three
different times, including the escalating potentially deadly confrontation between officer
Harry Dunn, who was how they agitated on his M
four about really opened fire on some Trump supporters, and
our guys stepped in between, put their backs to Harry Dunn,
offser done, but their palms out until the other Trump
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other Trump supporters and de escalated the situation and public
prevented that tragedy. So but after the fact, of course,
Harry Gun gone on the stand and lied. He purged
himself on the stand, and another officer they had on
the stand, Alscer Lazarus, also lied. They said they were together,
and Lazarus said when he written us this, you know,
potentially violent competition. The oath keeps were threatening Harry Dunn.
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It's all a lie because Lazarus was actually at that
time under the Senate building in the tunnels. And Steve
Baker from BLATV based there in Dallas, discovered that video
that proved Lazarus was not where he said he was.
So if that showed that booth officers lied on the sand,
that's what happened throughout our trial. You had a project
testimony that I believe it Saiborne by the by the prosecutors.
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Yet you have subordination of perjury being done. That's happened
in other cases, but our case become red handed. So
that's that's kind of the backdrop.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's almost like you've told that story before. I don't
think you set up a single m. I don't think
you've elated in any moment. I don't think you corrected
a word that you said. That's pretty solid. He's also
sounds like you've been in a deposition or a thousand
because you have the very steady, uh storytelling, recitation of facts.
You know you you got this thing down. Brother Stuart
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lays he is the founder of Oath Keepers. Let me
ask you to do what I often ask people to do.
I've got about forty five seconds left in this segment.
Explain what the mission of oath Keepers is. Because you
gave the bigger picture. If someone is to take away
from this, what is oath Keepers? What does it do?
Not who's in it? But what does it do?
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Defend the Constitution?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I swore an oath as a paratrooper s everybone else
takes to defend, support and defendic Constitution. Every law enforcement
officer in the country takes the same oath. So our
mission was to defend the Constitution Number one, what we
call reach teaching the spire, reach out to those of
taking the oath, teach them more about the Constitution they
swore an oath to defend and where the lines are,
and then inspire them to follow in fall, fall suit
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and refuse on lawful orders. So that's what that's our
mission out out of the gate. But of course we
have responsibility to protect the rights of the American people,
in particular to write to free speech and assembly. That's
what we were doing. Like I said, all two the
TRUP administration, all across the country.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Do you want to know how long you took to
answer that question? Hello, forty six seconds. I asked you
to take forty five. That is precise. Stuart Rhodes of
Oath Keepers, the founder, he was in prison. The President
got him out. He was to serve a long time.
We'll discuss him out. We're going to be changing the
name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of
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Michael Barry, which has a beautiful way. Stewart Rhodes is
the founder of Oath Keepers, And I will ask of
you what I often ask of you, which is, do
not come to the conclusion of whether Donald Trump committed rape,
or a financial fraud, or any number of things that
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you've been told by the media because they have their
own agenda.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I don't trust the clock shot. People died from it,
but they told you it.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Would keep you from getting The President himself told you
keep you from getting COVID, and it would keep you
from spreading it. That turned out to be a lie.
Before you form an opinion on anything or anyone based
on the drive by media, understand that they have an agenda.
Stuart Rhodes was in prison on January twentieth. When President
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Trump was sworn in. On January twenty first, he was
released from prison where he was to serve many more years. Stuart,
Let's talk about where you were on January sixth, what
did and didn't happen, what they accused you of, and
then I'll interrupt there because then we'll go to how
they prosecuted you and threw the book at you. They
wanted you. You were a trophy for them. But tell
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what happened on January sixth.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
So on January sixth, like I said before, we were
there to do security for two permitted events on Capitol grounds.
I spoke at the Latinos for Trump event. I've been
very outspoken calling out the election of twenty twenty as
not as fraudule, but also illegal and unconstitutional. They violated
multiple state election laws and in the swing states, and
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that triggered a violation of Article two because Article two
makes it very clear that only the state legislature can
determine the manner for selecting electors, not some judge, not
some election official in the executive branch. So that was
that was my red line. I don't need to be
shown proof of the fraud. I just need to know
that it was illegal and constitutional. Of course, if you
if you violate laws that are that are meant to
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prevent fraud or make it easy to discover fraud, it
becomes easier to commit fraud.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
So that's why I think happened.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I stand by that to this day, and so as
President Trump, to his credit and so it's Johnny's been
his attorney.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
So I think we're right.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think history will proved out that thats the election
of twenty twenty one stolen. In fact, they admitted it afterwards,
and that Time magazine piece about how they quote unquote
save democracy. They admitted a coordinated effort across the country.
So that's the backdrop, and we were there to protest
that and also to protect others in their right to protest,
and that's why everyone was in Washington, d C.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
In that day.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
But they were permitted events all the way around the Capitol.
And this is something that folks need to understand. It's
not like every woman was at the Ellipse rally where
for President Trump and suddenly spontaneously the side of the
march on the Capitol. There were already planned events around
the Capitol. Just so there have been planned events around
the Capitol in November, the big rally there, you know,
the million Magna March, and also in December. So it's
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a very common thing for there to be planned and
permitted events around the Capitol. In fact that I think
there were nine permits pulled on January the sixth, so
our biggest security team from Florida, led by Keilly Maggs,
was escorting all the Alexander speakers from the Ellipse rally
up to the Capitol to speak, and there was going
to be members of Congress speaking there too.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Charlie Greens was scheduled.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Josh Holly Goshert, Yeah, he was scheduled to speak there too,
and a bunch of others. So this is going to
be a plan event remembers of congres. We're going to
come back out after the deliberations on the on the
electors slates, and they were going to speak that day
Rogers throw them with a keynote speaker. That's why we
were there. They didn't happen because the crowd, you know,
did what they did and went up the steps and
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like I said before, my guys went in side.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Unbeknownst to me, I was standing on the.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Outside trying to locate my security teams because I wanted
to keep them out of what I saw was going
on on the west side where there were folks that
were actually fighting with the police as I was trying
to locate them to keep them out of trouble.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
How many one instated you have? Stuart Rooades is the
founder of.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Altogether, we had about one hundred oathkeepers in DC on
that at that time, but only about twenty of them
went inside because other other teams were out doing other things.
Personal security detail for Rogers Stone was one team the
teams that were guarding the latinams for Trump team, they
stayed where they were in the Lower Senate Park in
Era seven. So I guess as I was looking for
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my teams, I didn't go and sign did not extect
anybody else to But they of course painted me as
the mastermind. But something to keep in mind is that
February sixteenth, or twenty twenty one, just weeks after j
six happened, Benny Thompson, a member of Congress who went
on to chair of the.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
J sixth Selectimittee.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
He filed a lawsuit while other members of Congress suing Trump, Giuliani,
Oath Keepers, and Proud Boys, alleging a conspiracy. But Trump
is the kingpin to attack the capital and to disenfranchise
black voters. This was the other thing they threw in there,
that if you challenge the election in Michigan or Pennsylvania,
that you're you're trying to disenfranchise black voters.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
They fell.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I think Bennie Thompson views everything as through the lens
of your somehow hurting black people, because that's how he's
gotten where he is, and that's the only thing he
knows how to say.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, that's his that's his that's right, that's his rhetoric.
But by bringing this up, because that's where the narrative
was was set, that's how early the narrative was set
before they can do any investigation. That's the narrative they wanted.
That's their predetermined destination. And everything that they did after that,
the JA six Select Committee, Dog and Pony show. Our
prosecutions are show trials in DC were all meant to
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make that, you know, quote unquote true because the ultimate
goal was simply to get President Trump, to prevent him
from being able to run again by just qualifying under
the fourteenth Amendment if they could, by putting them in
prison if they could. That's why they charged him along
with the rest of us in DC or making unelectable,
and in the end none of that worked, and the
course after that, they had to try to kill him,
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so that's what they did. So, but all our prosecutions,
what we're going to look at it is every J
six prosecution is a massive conspiracy case with Trump as
the designated target. They think the kingpin both Keepers and
Proud Boys.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Me and Amick A. Tarrio.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I'm the leader of both Keepers, leader the Proud Boys,
as his lieutenants and everybody else that's his foot soldiers
and it. But the ultimate goal is to paint this
picture that President Trump inspired it, you know, a so
called insurrection.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
It's complete nonsense.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
That was a protest that got somewhat out of hand,
but in large part, I believe because of excessive force
by law enforcement, sad to say, but also by provocateurs
in the crowd who made sure they got inside. That's
why they don't want to talk about who opened those doors.
The ones who opened the.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Doors, they're not prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Of course, do you think Ray Epps was a plant
intended to insigne?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I had it.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Because I've been called I've been falsely accused of that
in the past. Because I wasn't arrested for an entire year,
people were saying, only must be an informant. It's like
now they took a year to cook up fake evidence
against me. But well, they smoke this fire. You know,
at our trial, we were not allowed to show the
video of Ray Apps and the night of the fifth
saying tomorrow we need to go into the Capitol.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
We couldn't show that video that. We were not allowed
to show a video of.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Reps on January sixth, whispering in the ear of the
first of Ryan Sample, the first guy to push over
one of the bike racks.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
You mentioned Re's name, So that tells.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Me why there and why this is evidence that the
jury needs to see. Hold with me for just a moment.
Stuart Rohase is our guest. So he is the founder
of Oathkeepers. He was arrested and sent to prison for
eighteen years. Had Donald Trump not been elected and sworn
in on January twentieth, he would not have been released
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from prison January twenty. First, we'll talk about what prison
was like for him, and we'll talk about what he's
doing since and what he intends to do for the future.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Coming up, Stuart knows they remain scared to death of you,
and they remained scared to death of Trump. To Michael Berry, show,
You're not going anywhere even if Trump does, You're not.
Stewart Roase is our guest. He is the founder of Oathkeepers.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
He and one hundred of his members were sent were
volunteering as security during the Trump rally. On January sixth,
he was arrested and sent to prison for eighteen years.
Pardoned along with about fifteen hundred people by President Trump
on the day of his inauguration January twentieth, and one
of the first executive orders, and he was released the
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following day. Let's quickly, I want to get through all
of that in two segments, so quickly go through their
case against you, how they arrested you because they love
the show of that, and and how that all came down,
and then I want to get to prison.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Okay, well, actually I was not pardon I was commuted.
There's fourteen of us who received commutations rather than pardons,
and we're all either oathkeepers or proud boys, not so
much quite sure why, but we're we're of course hoping
and praying be pardoned as well. Like I'm a veteran.
I was sitting a really nasty letter by the VA
telling all my benefits been stripped from me I'm a
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disabled veteran, also.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Telling me that I can't be buried in the veteran
cemetery but.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Might pass away. So it's pretty horrific. So there's other
veterans I know, Joe Biggs, another airborne veteran, is in.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
That group too. So we're still waiting for pardons.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And we really hope and pray and that we have
faith that this will happen eventually.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yes, all right, So tell about how they arrested you.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
So I was rested and I was living in Dallas
Little Elm and and they just you know, showed up
outside the doors and called me on my phone and said,
you know, come outside or west ward for you. And
I walked out and uh, along with my roommate was
staying with a family there, and we walked out together
with hands up, but then rifles on us. They had
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make sure there are US marshals where they were, but
they had rifles on us, apparently. I heard later they
were trying to get the media there too. They love that,
but I guess they had a screw up with the
media and couldn't coordinate properly. So the media was not
outside like life they really wanted it to be. They
wanted to do the perp walk with the media filming
at all.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So why didn't they do the bottom walk for you
with you for the media. That's a big trophy for them.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
They had a screw up with the media. I think that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I guess the media was getting there too soon and
they're afraid the media would tip it off, so they
wanted to get it done. So you know, they could
have they could have called me. I'd have voluntarily gone in.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Did you have any idea?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
I was? I think so?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I think, I think I even though I had not
done anything wrong in our attorney and said, oh, there's
no reason to make it ever possib arrested, I said, look,
I have becrossed the rubicon, my coda Fandings didn't do
anything wrong other than in trespass it anyway. So I
already knew that they were they were. I was creating
this false narrative, so I expected it eventually.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So a year after all this, you're you're arrested. And
then do they offer any plea.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Deal at all?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
No, I would never take a plea deal. They've threatened
all of us with life in prison. That says all
the same letter and say, oh, by the way, you
only have a week or two to you know, to
respond through mine of a toilet And I would have
been in solitary confinement from day of my arrest. And
I was in a solitary confinement cell when I got
the letter.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I just touched the toilets where belonged.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So you were given other guys a bond option. Oh no,
we were.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I mean I try to get out and pre trial release,
but that was denied first by a magistrate in Texas.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Holy wow.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
You know, in Harris County and then the Soros counties
around the country. You can commit murder and they'll they'll
give you in many cases it's a personal mcconnaissance spun.
But you got guys back out on the street within
hours of and they got blood all over them from
butchering their wife to death. And in many cases they
didn't pay anything, They didn't post any bail. They just
said they signed as if they have, you know, some
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sort of credibility, and you get arrested and you're stuck
in you can't even prepare your case.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
That's awful. Stewart.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, that was done first by Kimberly Priest Johnson, a
so called conservative magistrate in Dallas. But then it was
also you get a shot, you know in DC, but
good luck there, and judgmental of course, also denied me
pre trial release. My priors were speeding tickets, that's it.
At age fifty six. No, no, prior to some speeding tickets,
they've been arrested, they've been charged of anything in my life,
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but they consider me so dangerous because of the seriousness
of the allegations.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
That was pretty much all they needed.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
So so on me, the absumption of innocence is dead.
What's that to the presumption of innocent of the country.
And if you're a STRIMP supporter?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
On May twenty three, so a full three years later
you're sentenced to prison, right right, So that's quite it.
They wait a year to bring the case and then
two years later you're seeing So you've lost three years
of your life before you ever even start serving in prison.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Right arver, you're in solitary all through preview.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
And by the way, it's worth noting to folks, solitary
confinement is recognized in international conventions as a form of torture.
U It may not seem like it's that bad, but
if you've not it is. It is recognized in international
human rights conventions as a form of torture.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And that's what was done to you.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Okay, So talk about what life was like in prison
for you, because I've talked to J sixers who say
that these guys had it out for you, which guys
prison guards, that they hated the Jay sixers that they
made it difficult that they that I think you're Are
you the one that I read that you have to
eat gluten free and they wouldn't get and you lost
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sixty pounds? Or was that somebody? Oh no, No, that
was Quaglin. What's his name, Chris Quaglan. Yeah, tell about
your story in prison though, well, where.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I was first in Texas and.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Oklahoma, Cimarron, and then in Virginia, most of the guards
are conservative. If you're in rural areas, mostly conservative. The
most problematic guards were in d C, the guys who
went first I was in. I was in Alexandria jail,
and those guards treatment, treatment with respect. Most of them
are conservative. I even had guards apologize and like, we
know you're you couldn't be here and the Trump supporters
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and we're sorry you're here. So I got that a lot. Actually,
it depends on where you're at. If you're in an
inner city area where the guards can be more leftists,
then you might have problems. And that's what happens to
the guys in d C. And they were first. At first,
the guards were told they were racists. These are all
white supremacists, So I think they're mistreated because of that.
But I think eventually the guards caught you, caught a
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clue and realized they're not like that. So but I
think the worst treatment for the guys who went to
the d C GULAG.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
I wanted up there.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Eventually it was a solitarier there for six weeks, but
that was after two years after it all started. So
by the time I got there, the guards had you know,
they've been slapped down by the US Marshall Service as
well for for for mistreating prisoners.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So you were by then, you were in for twenty months.
I mean, you're a tough guy. You got a tough
guy background and all that. You're you're not a fearful guy.
You know, this is a conviction. You know it's a ministry.
It is you know, you're burying your cross. I got
all that, but I mean nobody expects to be in prison,
and certainly not in solitary confinement.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Were there moments where you're thinking, well.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
They did this agone and they did this MLK, I
guess I'm suffering for or did you think to yourself, wow, uh,
this is bad.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Well, I mean I'm a Christian and I know that
God will use for good what meant me for evil.
Just when Jesup was stolen the slaverybody's brought this then
later betrayed by his master's wife on false accusations. I'm
throwing in prison. I understand that you know the outcome,
and I think it's been proven truven true. Everything that's
thrown in President Trump only got stronger, becomes stronger. That's
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same from the Maga movement. That's that's the first perspective.
I'm a Christian. Second, I come from a military family.
So uh, whatever I'm going through is nothing compared to
what my grandfathers did. Both of them fought World War Two.
What a great and what of them did not? What
a great perspective.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
You're thrown in for following your conviction. You're thrown in
prison as a political prisoner, as a way to try
to hurt Donald them, your your collateral damage to all
of this, and you're viewing this as it's not as
bad as it could be. I mean, wow, I gotta
respect that hold with me, if you would. Stuart Rhodes,
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the founder of Oath Keepers as Ours.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
And the Michael Berry Show, good not.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Stuart Rhodes is the founder of Oath Keepers.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
He was thrown in prison, held in solitary confinement, arrested
and thrown in prison, couldn't be couldn't get bailed.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
It's crazy. I mean it's crazy that he couldn't even
get out.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
You know that, you don't keep somebody, You book them,
you do all that you and then you let them
out because they're going to come back for trial. This
guy's not a fight risk, he's no threat. So he
gets eighteen years. He gets sentenced to eighteen years. And
so here we were, President Trump wins and you knew
that if President Trump didn't win, you're serving out your term, right.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Well, I was prepared for that. I was.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I was going to appeal, but you know, yes, I
was ready for the long haul. I already already prepared
myself for that.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So when he does win, what are you thinking, is
the chance that you'll get a commutation of your sentence,
that you'll be freed from prison.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Well, I knew one without a doubt, he would keep
that promise. I thought it'd be pardoned. I thought that
because I was one of the non violent people that
didn't go and sign with for sure I would get
a pardon, and I was actually advocating, writing articles for
Kay Pundent, advocating, and he pardoned all the guys, even
the ones who were cused of violence, because they didn't
get fair trials. So it's a bit of a surprise
that they got They got pardons. I did, and that's okay.
(25:57):
I can deal with that. So I'm puming a soldier
on and putting in my application for a pardon, and
I think eventually I.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Will be pardon too.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So tell me what that process. Were you advised?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, it's happening, or did you did you find out
on January twentieth, Hey, you've been commuted.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
You'll be out today or tomorrow. And then you were
out tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
We're watching the inauguration proceedings on the news, but we
got locked down because someone got stabbed in another part
of the facility. So we're still listening on the radio.
And I listened to him in the Oval office issue
the partons and proclamation or the partners and commutations, and
then I'm knocking on my door about eleven o'clock today,
packer stuff. I knew I was out of there. I
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had faith was going to happen. I really did. I
never never doubted it. I just was surprised it was
a commutation. But I'm still glad to be out. It's
just a wonderful relief to be on the side of
the razor wire.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Of course, every day is everybody's a good day now,
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, paint me the picture of your reaction when they
came around and said pack your stuff.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
It was fantastic, It really was.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
My white gritty couldn't wipe off my face. It was
a fantastic And all the guys are chere in me.
This is something that everyone should know. Ninety percent of
the man in that prisoner approach up, black, white, Hispanic.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
All of them.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, I hear that guard him.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Oh, the inmates listen to these shows, So lit'sen inmates
listening to Wendy Bell up there.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
You know they love Emil.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I get less and less actual snail mail and mostly
emails because I give out my mail address. But my
assistant brings in the mail every day after the morning show,
and she comes in with this. She'll come in with
letters and you can tell it's a prison inmate letter
because you know it's got the unit on the outside.
It's got all the stamps and all that sort of stuff.
And so it's fascinating because people in prison, as you
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know you've been there, they're more thoughtful in their writing
because they have a lot of time. They also use
every square inch of the paper. They'll write their letter
and then they run out of paper, so they'll start
writing along the side and they'll draw arrows. I enjoy
getting writers from prison. I find it to be fascinating.
It feels like a link with a different world. All right,
(28:09):
I've got five minutes. Stuart Roads, founder of oath Keepers,
I want to talk about the future. Let's look at
the future of Stuart Roads and what you want to
do from here.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Reach back into prison, pull more men out. We still
have Jeremy Brown, an Oathkeeper special Forces veteran, is still
being held. He was pardoned by President Trump, but the
day you know that, the powers that be are not
recognizing as a felony case out of Florida, where they
planted two grenades on him as retribution he refused to
(28:41):
turn into a snitch against US and expose to DHS
agency tried to recruit him. He played the audio, put
it up online, and so as retribution for that, they
did the same thing at marl Lago. They turned off
his cameras, his security cameras, and they first came into
his house and lo and behold the discover you know,
quote unquote two grenades with none of his DNA, none
of his fibers, none of his fingerprints on him. So
(29:02):
those planet evidence. And now he's been pardoned by by
President Trump. But they're only recognizing the pardon for his,
you know, misdemeanor trespass charge in d C. They're not
recognizing that the search that was done pursuing to the
jase of investigation where they supposed the families these grenades.
Then that's the thing that's a separate case, and they're
not letting him out. So he's being released. That's first thing.
(29:23):
Job one is getting Jeremy out of prison. So but
there are others, there are other Jay sixers who have
other charges that they're like weapons charges for example, they
also need to be free to SE's job one. But
there are plenty of other people in this country that
have been railroaded. The Wittmer case in Michigan, you still
have two men that were that were wrapped up in
an entrapment in this nonsense case cooked up by the FBI.
(29:46):
The FBI can self created a so called conspiracy, and
there's two of them are still sitting and thinking Florence
in Colorado and maximum security and global conditions Saltry confinement
for years. They need to be free to So there
are plenty of other political prisoners in this country that
is still still in there. So that's my mission right now.
I'm now working with Condemned USA. I'm their new national spokesman.
My mission is get more of them out. But I'm
(30:07):
going to tell you right now there are other folks
I've met in prison. They're innocent men, well roaded by
the same kind of nonsense entrapment. Like one young man
eighteen years old want to be an army ranger, so
he's going to arrange and shooting. They sit in an
FBI and foreman in mister cool biker with tattoos who
becomes his shooting buddy, and then he entraps him, you know,
cool dunzis suit and traps him into buying some Auto
(30:29):
series from the air at fifteen. He never would have
sought to purchase on his own, but because his buddy
brings him out, he decides to buy him. If it's
a total entrapment. That kid does not belong in prison.
It's a waste, it's a waste of his life. So
there's lots of that going on in our system, and
he needs a sup Wow.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Is that ever true?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Is that ever true? You know what I want to
make sure we do. I know you have a gift
sen to Go. I know that the financial obviously you
haven't been able to work through all this. You had
incredible expenses for those who want to support you financially.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Can you tell folks how to get I don't have.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
It in front of me, just to give something to
like it's your staff, but it's.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Okay on social media as well.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
It is gives a band to Go is the website
and by the way, a lot of folks are using
that now instead of the old crowdsource funding because the
person who you give it to actually gets it instead
of the people keeping it.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
And his name is.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Stuart Rhodes ste w A R. T. Or you can
email me and I'll send you. They'll have a link
for me and my folks will send you a link
from there. Stuart, looking back over all of this, I've
got about forty five seconds talk about some of the
people who stood up for you, big or small, whether
they brought you things to the prisoner, they wrote to you,
or they fought for you publicly that you want to acknowledge.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Well, I want to to think City Powell paid for
my attorneys for Texas. I really appreciate that. Her organization.
I believe it's the I think it's called say to
the Republic. I think it's called that the City Pale
stepped up and I really appreciate that. I mean, I
want to thank Preident Trump. He stuck to his guns,
even even though it's obvious people around him wanted him
(32:03):
to turn his back on us. He didn't do that.
You know, I think the daystic support community. Most of
them are grassroots, a lot of are women. A lot
of times women are more courageous than the men. There
were people I know, and sadly in Texas, I was
arrested there in Texas, and there's plenty of people there
that just disappeared to want to fund your friends really
aren't get get arrested.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
But there are folks who all over the country that
wrote me. I thank them.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
They contributed money to our commissary funds. They helped funder
illegal defense. It's been fantastic. When I got out a
lady whose husband had passed away, who has a firefighter
captain who donated a truck to me. So it's it's
been a real blessing. It's just been amazing to see
with the ground swell. Like I said, it's mostly grassroots.
(32:49):
It's just fantastic that the uphooring of support for us
has been fantastic. And every letter matters. I mean, it's
good to write people letters in prison because.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
It makes a difference for him here. It does.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
You know, sometimes you got to put in a very
bad situation for people to need to step up and
help you. And as men, we don't take help, but
when you're in a situation like that, it has to matter.
Stuart Rhodes, thank you for sharing your story, founder of
Oath Keepers, and if you email me, I'll send you
a link to his gifts and go I'll also post
that on social media if you would like to contribute
to help him in his next space.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Thank you, sir, and a lot of the other J
sixers out there have Gibson goes and a lot of
the needed far more help than I do.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
A lot of these job's actually homeless than els, Thank you,
and good night.
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load from
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
At first, they thought this was a joke that thread
coming from President Trump. They had good relations with President
Trump in his first term. They then were mystified. Then
they got angry and defiant. Then you started seeing, as
we've seen here in just the last days that we've
been here all this week, flags being arrayed all across
on the sweets in Panama. It's not a big cauday here.
(00:45):
It's in defiance of the US and of Marco Rubio's
incoming visits.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, I've told you that we're going to tell the
stories of the January sixth political person and we've begun
doing that, and there will be a lot of stories
to be told, but this one in particular. We've talked
to people who didn't serve time at all, but it
still they feel wrecked their lives because they lost their jobs.
(01:16):
They cost them a lot of money and legal fees
and everything that went with that. And that's people that
were on probation that were grateful that on January twentieth,
the President pulled them out of the prison that they
were living in at the hands.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Of the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But this particular case, this is an individual who got
the book thrown at him. They they came for blood.
This is one of those stories that you will not
soon forget. You may know the name of Stuart Road.
He is the founder of the Oathkeepers. Now that word,
that term has been so slandered and maligned that whatever
(01:55):
you may think, all I ask you to do is
keep an open mind and his story and what was
done to him. You can't believe this was done on
American soil today, but it was. Stuart Roads is our guest,
the founder of oath Keepers. Stuart, let's start. We're going
to take the time to really explore this magazine style
instead of newspaper and I'll turn off my mic when
(02:16):
I ask you an open ended question so you'll have
time to answer them. Let's start with what the oath
Keepers is or what oath Keepers is, because the media
has portrayed y'all in one way, but explain that to
folks that don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Sure, I've found oath Keepers two thousand and nine and
what it is as an association of both current serving
and retired military police, firefighters, switch and rescue ems like
I was a paratrooper.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
In the Army. I'm going to sayble veteran.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I was also a volunteer firefighter, and the mission was
to encourage all those who are still current serving to
respect the constitution, to honor their oaths by refusing fall
orders that would violate the Constitution. And then the flagship
example we used is Hurricane Katrina, where you had police
officers from around the country to aid after the hurricane
who were who followed unlawful orders to confiscate weapons from
(03:07):
local citizens who were just trying to detect themselves from looters.
You know, the mayor of New Orleans a Democrat and
the police chief a Democrat, issue in order they're going
to take all the guns and they did. That was
later ruled to be unconstitutional by a court, but that
didn't help the people on the ground who were disarmed
in the face of looters. So we saw that and
said we need to educate our law enforcement and military
(03:27):
because National Guard was also mauled about where the lines
are constitutionally. So that's what that's the motivation for starting
the organization, to make sure that those were instill in
current service don't file the rights of the American people
and of course, because I started it during the Bold administration.
Immediately we were attacked and insinuations.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
We made it.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
We were somehow racism. It is just but to nonsense.
And my organization has always been about thirty percent law
enforcement officers, and much of my leaderships law was law enforcement.
Any we did a lot of launtier security starting with
Trump's inauguration. In fact, in twenty seventeen against antieth in
the streets, I say we were very successful. Never operation
(04:06):
because Antifa is putting close on us because they knew
we had competent man military and police. So we're not
in violent whatsoever. Because the media took six favored the
one of the most violent groups out there, is just
complete nonsense. It's all just propaganda. They don't like us
because we stopped. They're violent foot thugs and TITHA and
Black Lives Matter in the streets of America. Be very successful.
(04:26):
That's why they hate us, and that's why when January
six came, we were there to do security again. We've
done multiple security operations in DC. The nine prior operations
we've done security volunteer security for permitted events. In November
and December of twenty twenty and on j six himself.
We were doing security for two permitted events. So one
of was latinas were Trump in Area seven, which is
(04:48):
next to the set of office buildings, and the other
one was for Ali Alexander's event right outside the Capital
doors on the east side, and that was an Area eight.
So that's why we were there, was do security because
you had to do security in DC. Titha will attack
people and beat Trump supporters, as they've been doing for
the entire Trump administration. So that's our record, it's what
we do. That's why we were there that day. And
(05:09):
then when the doors on the east side opened up,
some of our men who were standing on the steps
because they were up there with their protectees who would
wanted up the steps, they wandered in like everybody else did,
after the doors were opened by somebody else, and I
guys entered full twenty minutes after Congress had recessed, and
at least twenty five minutes after others had already entered
the building. So they didn't breach anything, they didn't lead anything,
(05:30):
They wandered in after other people had already gone inside,
and once they were inside they actually helped police three
different times, including the escalating potentially deadly confrontation between officer
Harry Dunn, who was how they agitated on his M
four about really opened fire on some Trump supporters, and
our guys stepped in between, put their backs to Harry Dunn,
offser done, but their palms out until the other Trump
(05:52):
other Trump supporters and de escalated the situation and public
prevented that tragedy. So but after the fact, of course,
Harry Gun gone on the stand and lied. He purged
himself on the stand, and another officer they had on
the stand, Alscer Lazarus, also lied. They said they were together,
and Lazarus said when he written us this, you know,
potentially violent competition. The oath keeps were threatening Harry Dunn.
(06:12):
It's all a lie because Lazarus was actually at that
time under the Senate building in the tunnels. And Steve
Baker from BLATV based there in Dallas, discovered that video
that proved Lazarus was not where he said he was.
So if that showed that booth officers lied on the sand,
that's what happened throughout our trial. You had a project
testimony that I believe it Saiborne by the by the prosecutors.
(06:34):
Yet you have subordination of perjury being done. That's happened
in other cases, but our case become red handed. So
that's that's kind of the backdrop.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's almost like you've told that story before. I don't
think you set up a single m. I don't think
you've elated in any moment. I don't think you corrected
a word that you said. That's pretty solid. He's also
sounds like you've been in a deposition or a thousand
because you have the very steady, uh storytelling, recitation of facts.
You know you you got this thing down. Brother Stuart
(07:03):
lays he is the founder of Oath Keepers. Let me
ask you to do what I often ask people to do.
I've got about forty five seconds left in this segment.
Explain what the mission of oath Keepers is. Because you
gave the bigger picture. If someone is to take away
from this, what is oath Keepers? What does it do?
Not who's in it? But what does it do?
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Defend the Constitution?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I swore an oath as a paratrooper s everybone else
takes to defend, support and defendic Constitution. Every law enforcement
officer in the country takes the same oath. So our
mission was to defend the Constitution Number one, what we
call reach teaching the spire, reach out to those of
taking the oath, teach them more about the Constitution they
swore an oath to defend and where the lines are,
and then inspire them to follow in fall, fall suit
(07:48):
and refuse on lawful orders. So that's what that's our
mission out out of the gate. But of course we
have responsibility to protect the rights of the American people,
in particular to write to free speech and assembly. That's
what we were doing. Like I said, all two the
TRUP administration, all across the country.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Do you want to know how long you took to
answer that question? Hello, forty six seconds. I asked you
to take forty five. That is precise. Stuart Rhodes of
Oath Keepers, the founder, he was in prison. The President
got him out. He was to serve a long time.
We'll discuss him out. We're going to be changing the
name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of
(08:24):
Michael Barry, which has a beautiful way. Stewart Rhodes is
the founder of Oath Keepers, And I will ask of
you what I often ask of you, which is, do
not come to the conclusion of whether Donald Trump committed rape,
or a financial fraud, or any number of things that
(08:45):
you've been told by the media because they have their
own agenda.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I don't trust the clock shot. People died from it,
but they told you it.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Would keep you from getting The President himself told you
keep you from getting COVID, and it would keep you
from spreading it. That turned out to be a lie.
Before you form an opinion on anything or anyone based
on the drive by media, understand that they have an agenda.
Stuart Rhodes was in prison on January twentieth. When President
(09:14):
Trump was sworn in. On January twenty first, he was
released from prison where he was to serve many more years. Stuart,
Let's talk about where you were on January sixth, what
did and didn't happen, what they accused you of, and
then I'll interrupt there because then we'll go to how
they prosecuted you and threw the book at you. They
wanted you. You were a trophy for them. But tell
(09:35):
what happened on January sixth.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
So on January sixth, like I said before, we were
there to do security for two permitted events on Capitol grounds.
I spoke at the Latinos for Trump event. I've been
very outspoken calling out the election of twenty twenty as
not as fraudule, but also illegal and unconstitutional. They violated
multiple state election laws and in the swing states, and
(10:01):
that triggered a violation of Article two because Article two
makes it very clear that only the state legislature can
determine the manner for selecting electors, not some judge, not
some election official in the executive branch. So that was
that was my red line. I don't need to be
shown proof of the fraud. I just need to know
that it was illegal and constitutional. Of course, if you
if you violate laws that are that are meant to
(10:22):
prevent fraud or make it easy to discover fraud, it
becomes easier to commit fraud.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
So that's why I think happened.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I stand by that to this day, and so as
President Trump, to his credit and so it's Johnny's been
his attorney.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
So I think we're right.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think history will proved out that thats the election
of twenty twenty one stolen. In fact, they admitted it afterwards,
and that Time magazine piece about how they quote unquote
save democracy. They admitted a coordinated effort across the country.
So that's the backdrop, and we were there to protest
that and also to protect others in their right to protest,
and that's why everyone was in Washington, d C.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
In that day.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
But they were permitted events all the way around the Capitol.
And this is something that folks need to understand. It's
not like every woman was at the Ellipse rally where
for President Trump and suddenly spontaneously the side of the
march on the Capitol. There were already planned events around
the Capitol. Just so there have been planned events around
the Capitol in November, the big rally there, you know,
the million Magna March, and also in December. So it's
(11:14):
a very common thing for there to be planned and
permitted events around the Capitol. In fact that I think
there were nine permits pulled on January the sixth, so
our biggest security team from Florida, led by Keilly Maggs,
was escorting all the Alexander speakers from the Ellipse rally
up to the Capitol to speak, and there was going
to be members of Congress speaking there too.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Charlie Greens was scheduled.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Josh Holly Goshert, Yeah, he was scheduled to speak there too,
and a bunch of others. So this is going to
be a plan event remembers of congres. We're going to
come back out after the deliberations on the on the
electors slates, and they were going to speak that day
Rogers throw them with a keynote speaker. That's why we
were there. They didn't happen because the crowd, you know,
did what they did and went up the steps and
(11:58):
like I said before, my guys went in side.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Unbeknownst to me, I was standing on the.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Outside trying to locate my security teams because I wanted
to keep them out of what I saw was going
on on the west side where there were folks that
were actually fighting with the police as I was trying
to locate them to keep them out of trouble.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
How many one instated you have? Stuart Rooades is the
founder of.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Altogether, we had about one hundred oathkeepers in DC on
that at that time, but only about twenty of them
went inside because other other teams were out doing other things.
Personal security detail for Rogers Stone was one team the
teams that were guarding the latinams for Trump team, they
stayed where they were in the Lower Senate Park in
Era seven. So I guess as I was looking for
(12:39):
my teams, I didn't go and sign did not extect
anybody else to But they of course painted me as
the mastermind. But something to keep in mind is that
February sixteenth, or twenty twenty one, just weeks after j
six happened, Benny Thompson, a member of Congress who went
on to chair of the.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
J sixth Selectimittee.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
He filed a lawsuit while other members of Congress suing Trump, Giuliani,
Oath Keepers, and Proud Boys, alleging a conspiracy. But Trump
is the kingpin to attack the capital and to disenfranchise
black voters. This was the other thing they threw in there,
that if you challenge the election in Michigan or Pennsylvania,
that you're you're trying to disenfranchise black voters.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
They fell.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I think Bennie Thompson views everything as through the lens
of your somehow hurting black people, because that's how he's
gotten where he is, and that's the only thing he
knows how to say.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, that's his that's his that's right, that's his rhetoric.
But by bringing this up, because that's where the narrative
was was set, that's how early the narrative was set
before they can do any investigation. That's the narrative they wanted.
That's their predetermined destination. And everything that they did after that,
the JA six Select Committee, Dog and Pony show. Our
prosecutions are show trials in DC were all meant to
(13:55):
make that, you know, quote unquote true because the ultimate
goal was simply to get President Trump, to prevent him
from being able to run again by just qualifying under
the fourteenth Amendment if they could, by putting them in
prison if they could. That's why they charged him along
with the rest of us in DC or making unelectable,
and in the end none of that worked, and the
course after that, they had to try to kill him,
(14:15):
so that's what they did. So, but all our prosecutions,
what we're going to look at it is every J
six prosecution is a massive conspiracy case with Trump as
the designated target. They think the kingpin both Keepers and
Proud Boys.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Me and Amick A. Tarrio.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I'm the leader of both Keepers, leader the Proud Boys,
as his lieutenants and everybody else that's his foot soldiers
and it. But the ultimate goal is to paint this
picture that President Trump inspired it, you know, a so
called insurrection.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
It's complete nonsense.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
That was a protest that got somewhat out of hand,
but in large part, I believe because of excessive force
by law enforcement, sad to say, but also by provocateurs
in the crowd who made sure they got inside. That's
why they don't want to talk about who opened those doors.
The ones who opened the.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Doors, they're not prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Of course, do you think Ray Epps was a plant
intended to insigne?
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I had it.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Because I've been called I've been falsely accused of that
in the past. Because I wasn't arrested for an entire year,
people were saying, only must be an informant. It's like
now they took a year to cook up fake evidence
against me. But well, they smoke this fire. You know,
at our trial, we were not allowed to show the
video of Ray Apps and the night of the fifth
saying tomorrow we need to go into the Capitol.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
We couldn't show that video that. We were not allowed
to show a video of.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Reps on January sixth, whispering in the ear of the
first of Ryan Sample, the first guy to push over
one of the bike racks.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
You mentioned Re's name, So that tells.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Me why there and why this is evidence that the
jury needs to see. Hold with me for just a moment.
Stuart Rohase is our guest. So he is the founder
of Oathkeepers. He was arrested and sent to prison for
eighteen years. Had Donald Trump not been elected and sworn
in on January twentieth, he would not have been released
(16:10):
from prison January twenty. First, we'll talk about what prison
was like for him, and we'll talk about what he's
doing since and what he intends to do for the future.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Coming up, Stuart knows they remain scared to death of you,
and they remained scared to death of Trump. To Michael Berry, show,
You're not going anywhere even if Trump does, You're not.
Stewart Roase is our guest. He is the founder of Oathkeepers.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
He and one hundred of his members were sent were
volunteering as security during the Trump rally. On January sixth,
he was arrested and sent to prison for eighteen years.
Pardoned along with about fifteen hundred people by President Trump
on the day of his inauguration January twentieth, and one
of the first executive orders, and he was released the
(16:55):
following day. Let's quickly, I want to get through all
of that in two segments, so quickly go through their
case against you, how they arrested you because they love
the show of that, and and how that all came down,
and then I want to get to prison.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Okay, well, actually I was not pardon I was commuted.
There's fourteen of us who received commutations rather than pardons,
and we're all either oathkeepers or proud boys, not so
much quite sure why, but we're we're of course hoping
and praying be pardoned as well. Like I'm a veteran.
I was sitting a really nasty letter by the VA
telling all my benefits been stripped from me I'm a
(17:31):
disabled veteran, also.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Telling me that I can't be buried in the veteran
cemetery but.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Might pass away. So it's pretty horrific. So there's other
veterans I know, Joe Biggs, another airborne veteran, is in.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
That group too. So we're still waiting for pardons.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And we really hope and pray and that we have
faith that this will happen eventually.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yes, all right, So tell about how they arrested you.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
So I was rested and I was living in Dallas
Little Elm and and they just you know, showed up
outside the doors and called me on my phone and said,
you know, come outside or west ward for you. And
I walked out and uh, along with my roommate was
staying with a family there, and we walked out together
with hands up, but then rifles on us. They had
(18:10):
make sure there are US marshals where they were, but
they had rifles on us, apparently. I heard later they
were trying to get the media there too. They love that,
but I guess they had a screw up with the
media and couldn't coordinate properly. So the media was not
outside like life they really wanted it to be. They
wanted to do the perp walk with the media filming
at all.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So why didn't they do the bottom walk for you
with you for the media. That's a big trophy for them.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
They had a screw up with the media. I think that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I guess the media was getting there too soon and
they're afraid the media would tip it off, so they
wanted to get it done. So you know, they could
have they could have called me. I'd have voluntarily gone in.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Did you have any idea?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
I was? I think so?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I think, I think I even though I had not
done anything wrong in our attorney and said, oh, there's
no reason to make it ever possib arrested, I said, look,
I have becrossed the rubicon, my coda Fandings didn't do
anything wrong other than in trespass it anyway. So I
already knew that they were they were. I was creating
this false narrative, so I expected it eventually.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So a year after all this, you're you're arrested. And
then do they offer any plea.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Deal at all?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
No, I would never take a plea deal. They've threatened
all of us with life in prison. That says all
the same letter and say, oh, by the way, you
only have a week or two to you know, to
respond through mine of a toilet And I would have
been in solitary confinement from day of my arrest. And
I was in a solitary confinement cell when I got
the letter.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I just touched the toilets where belonged.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So you were given other guys a bond option. Oh no,
we were.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I mean I try to get out and pre trial release,
but that was denied first by a magistrate in Texas.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Holy wow.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
You know, in Harris County and then the Soros counties
around the country. You can commit murder and they'll they'll
give you in many cases it's a personal mcconnaissance spun.
But you got guys back out on the street within
hours of and they got blood all over them from
butchering their wife to death. And in many cases they
didn't pay anything, They didn't post any bail. They just
said they signed as if they have, you know, some
(19:59):
sort of credibility, and you get arrested and you're stuck
in you can't even prepare your case.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
That's awful. Stewart.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, that was done first by Kimberly Priest Johnson, a
so called conservative magistrate in Dallas. But then it was
also you get a shot, you know in DC, but
good luck there, and judgmental of course, also denied me
pre trial release. My priors were speeding tickets, that's it.
At age fifty six. No, no, prior to some speeding tickets,
they've been arrested, they've been charged of anything in my life,
(20:25):
but they consider me so dangerous because of the seriousness
of the allegations.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
That was pretty much all they needed.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
So so on me, the absumption of innocence is dead.
What's that to the presumption of innocent of the country.
And if you're a STRIMP supporter?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
On May twenty three, so a full three years later
you're sentenced to prison, right right, So that's quite it.
They wait a year to bring the case and then
two years later you're seeing So you've lost three years
of your life before you ever even start serving in prison.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Right arver, you're in solitary all through preview.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
And by the way, it's worth noting to folks, solitary
confinement is recognized in international conventions as a form of torture.
U It may not seem like it's that bad, but
if you've not it is. It is recognized in international
human rights conventions as a form of torture.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And that's what was done to you.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Okay, So talk about what life was like in prison
for you, because I've talked to J sixers who say
that these guys had it out for you, which guys
prison guards, that they hated the Jay sixers that they
made it difficult that they that I think you're Are
you the one that I read that you have to
eat gluten free and they wouldn't get and you lost
(21:41):
sixty pounds? Or was that somebody? Oh no, No, that
was Quaglin. What's his name, Chris Quaglan. Yeah, tell about
your story in prison though, well, where.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I was first in Texas and.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Oklahoma, Cimarron, and then in Virginia, most of the guards
are conservative. If you're in rural areas, mostly conservative. The
most problematic guards were in d C, the guys who
went first I was in. I was in Alexandria jail,
and those guards treatment, treatment with respect. Most of them
are conservative. I even had guards apologize and like, we
know you're you couldn't be here and the Trump supporters
(22:14):
and we're sorry you're here. So I got that a lot. Actually,
it depends on where you're at. If you're in an
inner city area where the guards can be more leftists,
then you might have problems. And that's what happens to
the guys in d C. And they were first. At first,
the guards were told they were racists. These are all
white supremacists, So I think they're mistreated because of that.
But I think eventually the guards caught you, caught a
(22:36):
clue and realized they're not like that. So but I
think the worst treatment for the guys who went to
the d C GULAG.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
I wanted up there.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Eventually it was a solitarier there for six weeks, but
that was after two years after it all started. So
by the time I got there, the guards had you know,
they've been slapped down by the US Marshall Service as
well for for for mistreating prisoners.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So you were by then, you were in for twenty months.
I mean, you're a tough guy. You got a tough
guy background and all that. You're you're not a fearful guy.
You know, this is a conviction. You know it's a ministry.
It is you know, you're burying your cross. I got
all that, but I mean nobody expects to be in prison,
and certainly not in solitary confinement.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Were there moments where you're thinking, well.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
They did this agone and they did this MLK, I
guess I'm suffering for or did you think to yourself, wow, uh,
this is bad.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Well, I mean I'm a Christian and I know that
God will use for good what meant me for evil.
Just when Jesup was stolen the slaverybody's brought this then
later betrayed by his master's wife on false accusations. I'm
throwing in prison. I understand that you know the outcome,
and I think it's been proven truven true. Everything that's
thrown in President Trump only got stronger, becomes stronger. That's
(23:50):
same from the Maga movement. That's that's the first perspective.
I'm a Christian. Second, I come from a military family.
So uh, whatever I'm going through is nothing compared to
what my grandfathers did. Both of them fought World War Two.
What a great and what of them did not? What
a great perspective.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
You're thrown in for following your conviction. You're thrown in
prison as a political prisoner, as a way to try
to hurt Donald them, your your collateral damage to all
of this, and you're viewing this as it's not as
bad as it could be. I mean, wow, I gotta
respect that hold with me, if you would. Stuart Rhodes,
(24:30):
the founder of Oath Keepers as Ours.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
And the Michael Berry Show, good not.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Stuart Rhodes is the founder of Oath Keepers.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
He was thrown in prison, held in solitary confinement, arrested
and thrown in prison, couldn't be couldn't get bailed.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
It's crazy. I mean it's crazy that he couldn't even
get out.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
You know that, you don't keep somebody, You book them,
you do all that you and then you let them
out because they're going to come back for trial. This
guy's not a fight risk, he's no threat. So he
gets eighteen years. He gets sentenced to eighteen years. And
so here we were, President Trump wins and you knew
that if President Trump didn't win, you're serving out your term, right.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Well, I was prepared for that. I was.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I was going to appeal, but you know, yes, I
was ready for the long haul. I already already prepared
myself for that.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So when he does win, what are you thinking, is
the chance that you'll get a commutation of your sentence,
that you'll be freed from prison.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Well, I knew one without a doubt, he would keep
that promise. I thought it'd be pardoned. I thought that
because I was one of the non violent people that
didn't go and sign with for sure I would get
a pardon, and I was actually advocating, writing articles for
Kay Pundent, advocating, and he pardoned all the guys, even
the ones who were cused of violence, because they didn't
get fair trials. So it's a bit of a surprise
that they got They got pardons. I did, and that's okay.
(25:57):
I can deal with that. So I'm puming a soldier
on and putting in my application for a pardon, and
I think eventually I.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Will be pardon too.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So tell me what that process. Were you advised?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, it's happening, or did you did you find out
on January twentieth, Hey, you've been commuted.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
You'll be out today or tomorrow. And then you were
out tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
We're watching the inauguration proceedings on the news, but we
got locked down because someone got stabbed in another part
of the facility. So we're still listening on the radio.
And I listened to him in the Oval office issue
the partons and proclamation or the partners and commutations, and
then I'm knocking on my door about eleven o'clock today,
packer stuff. I knew I was out of there. I
(26:40):
had faith was going to happen. I really did. I
never never doubted it. I just was surprised it was
a commutation. But I'm still glad to be out. It's
just a wonderful relief to be on the side of
the razor wire.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Of course, every day is everybody's a good day now,
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, paint me the picture of your reaction when they
came around and said pack your stuff.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
It was fantastic, It really was.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
My white gritty couldn't wipe off my face. It was
a fantastic And all the guys are chere in me.
This is something that everyone should know. Ninety percent of
the man in that prisoner approach up, black, white, Hispanic.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
All of them.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, I hear that guard him.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Oh, the inmates listen to these shows, So lit'sen inmates
listening to Wendy Bell up there.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
You know they love Emil.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I get less and less actual snail mail and mostly
emails because I give out my mail address. But my
assistant brings in the mail every day after the morning show,
and she comes in with this. She'll come in with
letters and you can tell it's a prison inmate letter
because you know it's got the unit on the outside.
It's got all the stamps and all that sort of stuff.
And so it's fascinating because people in prison, as you
(27:47):
know you've been there, they're more thoughtful in their writing
because they have a lot of time. They also use
every square inch of the paper. They'll write their letter
and then they run out of paper, so they'll start
writing along the side and they'll draw arrows. I enjoy
getting writers from prison. I find it to be fascinating.
It feels like a link with a different world. All right,
(28:09):
I've got five minutes. Stuart Roads, founder of oath Keepers,
I want to talk about the future. Let's look at
the future of Stuart Roads and what you want to
do from here.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Reach back into prison, pull more men out. We still
have Jeremy Brown, an Oathkeeper special Forces veteran, is still
being held. He was pardoned by President Trump, but the
day you know that, the powers that be are not
recognizing as a felony case out of Florida, where they
planted two grenades on him as retribution he refused to
(28:41):
turn into a snitch against US and expose to DHS
agency tried to recruit him. He played the audio, put
it up online, and so as retribution for that, they
did the same thing at marl Lago. They turned off
his cameras, his security cameras, and they first came into
his house and lo and behold the discover you know,
quote unquote two grenades with none of his DNA, none
of his fibers, none of his fingerprints on him. So
(29:02):
those planet evidence. And now he's been pardoned by by
President Trump. But they're only recognizing the pardon for his,
you know, misdemeanor trespass charge in d C. They're not
recognizing that the search that was done pursuing to the
jase of investigation where they supposed the families these grenades.
Then that's the thing that's a separate case, and they're
not letting him out. So he's being released. That's first thing.
(29:23):
Job one is getting Jeremy out of prison. So but
there are others, there are other Jay sixers who have
other charges that they're like weapons charges for example, they
also need to be free to SE's job one. But
there are plenty of other people in this country that
have been railroaded. The Wittmer case in Michigan, you still
have two men that were that were wrapped up in
an entrapment in this nonsense case cooked up by the FBI.
(29:46):
The FBI can self created a so called conspiracy, and
there's two of them are still sitting and thinking Florence
in Colorado and maximum security and global conditions Saltry confinement
for years. They need to be free to So there
are plenty of other political prisoners in this country that
is still still in there. So that's my mission right now.
I'm now working with Condemned USA. I'm their new national spokesman.
My mission is get more of them out. But I'm
(30:07):
going to tell you right now there are other folks
I've met in prison. They're innocent men, well roaded by
the same kind of nonsense entrapment. Like one young man
eighteen years old want to be an army ranger, so
he's going to arrange and shooting. They sit in an
FBI and foreman in mister cool biker with tattoos who
becomes his shooting buddy, and then he entraps him, you know,
cool dunzis suit and traps him into buying some Auto
(30:29):
series from the air at fifteen. He never would have
sought to purchase on his own, but because his buddy
brings him out, he decides to buy him. If it's
a total entrapment. That kid does not belong in prison.
It's a waste, it's a waste of his life. So
there's lots of that going on in our system, and
he needs a sup Wow.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Is that ever true?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Is that ever true? You know what I want to
make sure we do. I know you have a gift
sen to Go. I know that the financial obviously you
haven't been able to work through all this. You had
incredible expenses for those who want to support you financially.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Can you tell folks how to get I don't have.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
It in front of me, just to give something to
like it's your staff, but it's.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Okay on social media as well.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
It is gives a band to Go is the website
and by the way, a lot of folks are using
that now instead of the old crowdsource funding because the
person who you give it to actually gets it instead
of the people keeping it.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
And his name is.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Stuart Rhodes ste w A R. T. Or you can
email me and I'll send you. They'll have a link
for me and my folks will send you a link
from there. Stuart, looking back over all of this, I've
got about forty five seconds talk about some of the
people who stood up for you, big or small, whether
they brought you things to the prisoner, they wrote to you,
or they fought for you publicly that you want to acknowledge.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Well, I want to to think City Powell paid for
my attorneys for Texas. I really appreciate that. Her organization.
I believe it's the I think it's called say to
the Republic. I think it's called that the City Pale
stepped up and I really appreciate that. I mean, I
want to thank Preident Trump. He stuck to his guns,
even even though it's obvious people around him wanted him
(32:03):
to turn his back on us. He didn't do that.
You know, I think the daystic support community. Most of
them are grassroots, a lot of are women. A lot
of times women are more courageous than the men. There
were people I know, and sadly in Texas, I was
arrested there in Texas, and there's plenty of people there
that just disappeared to want to fund your friends really
aren't get get arrested.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
But there are folks who all over the country that
wrote me. I thank them.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
They contributed money to our commissary funds. They helped funder
illegal defense. It's been fantastic. When I got out a
lady whose husband had passed away, who has a firefighter
captain who donated a truck to me. So it's it's
been a real blessing. It's just been amazing to see
with the ground swell. Like I said, it's mostly grassroots.
(32:49):
It's just fantastic that the uphooring of support for us
has been fantastic. And every letter matters. I mean, it's
good to write people letters in prison because.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
It makes a difference for him here. It does.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
You know, sometimes you got to put in a very
bad situation for people to need to step up and
help you. And as men, we don't take help, but
when you're in a situation like that, it has to matter.
Stuart Rhodes, thank you for sharing your story, founder of
Oath Keepers, and if you email me, I'll send you
a link to his gifts and go I'll also post
that on social media if you would like to contribute
to help him in his next space.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Thank you, sir, and a lot of the other J
sixers out there have Gibson goes and a lot of
the needed far more help than I do.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
A lot of these job's actually homeless than els, Thank you,
and good night.
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