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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's that time. Time, time, time, luck and load. Michael
Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Ambassador, thank you for being here tonight. I mean, I
just wonder, as someone who worked inside the West Wing
when Donald Trump was president, what is it like for
you to see his mugshot tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, I thought it was, as with most things Trump does,
carefully stage, they must have thought about what look they wanted.
He could have smiled, he could have looked benign.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Instead, he looks like a thug.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
FBI agents have rated the Marrilynd home. A former Trump
National security advisor, John Bolton, happened at seven am this morning.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Shortly after the raid began. FBI Director Cash Fattel posting
on X quote, no one is above the law. FBI
agents on a mission.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
But it is notable, guys that John Bolton, Ambassador bolton
security clearances were stripped earlier this year by President Trump.
Tulsey Gabber, the Director of National Intelligence, took that security
clearance away.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
They had concerns.
Speaker 6 (01:01):
The administration had concerns about Ambassador Bolton still being able
to access some of these documents and have some of
those security clearances. It's also notable that John Bolton has
a security detail as well, because of the threats from
Iran on his life. That security detail, that government, federal
paid security detail, was also taken away by President Trump.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I think a lot of Republicans right now just wish
Cash Fattel, Tulsea Gabbard, and a number of other Trump
nominees would just go away.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
There was a probe going on when Prisident Trump was
in office last time because John Bolden wrote a book
and he violated his NDA, the President said in doing it,
and he felt as though there were classified information in
that book. The prob dropped when Joe Biden became president.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I don't think he cared about the classification system. I
don't think he appreciated the sensitivity of this information, and
he didn't appreciate the sensitivity of how it was often acquired,
the so called sources and method So this had been
brief to him before I arrived, it was repeated frequently.
I think it simply had no impact on him whatever.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
And giving a sense of where you think the truth
wise with respect to Trump's intelligence carelessness and the degree
which he might have brought motive to bear on taking
these documents out of the way as of keeping them
for this long at Marlaga.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well, it's very hard to speculate on motive other than
that he liked cool things. He saw things that he
so he wanted to take them, and he was pretty
much able to take them, and not just on classified
information matters, on all kinds of things that crossed his desk.
Some days he liked to eat a lot of French fries.
Some days he took classified documents.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
He wanted them. Why did he want them? Because he
could get them.
Speaker 8 (02:44):
That is the voice of John Bolton, who was very,
very eager to bring down Donald Trump. He failed, but
now his home and office had been raided. And the
story that is making the realms in DC and media
circles with relative credit credibility is that he was selling secrets.
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The belief is through the kataris there's a photo that
has emerged of him in Doha very close to a
drop site and meeting site for the Katari government, a
government that has shown a willingness to pay big money
for American intelligence, and the allegation is that he was
getting paid big money for selling America's intelligence. Remember, we've
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got the best intelligence, presumably in the world, and it's
worth a lot of money to countries rather than having,
rather than being able to accumulate it themselves, they just
buy hours by sellout. John Bolton, a serial butt sniffer,
registered sex offender with a long rap sheet, has been
arrested once again for another sniffing incident in the southern
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California area. He was arrested for a similar incident last month.
The story from ABC seven in Los Angeles.
Speaker 9 (04:03):
To a disturbing story of a registered sex offender who
has been arrested again. He made headlines for sniffing women
in the past. Thirty eight year old Calice Crutter was
rearrested Wednesday after reports of yet another sniffing incident at
a Walgreens at Burbank. This is video of prior incidents.
You can see him coming up behind that woman. Crowder
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was already on parole and has a documented history of
similar arrests for lude conducting both Glendale and Burbank, dating
back to twenty twenty one.
Speaker 10 (04:32):
Looking at that pictures off.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
But you were preaking me for a moment.
Speaker 10 (04:38):
I don't think arresting a person was clear of mental
health issues is the answer. Clearly, he needs a program
that's going to keep him. That's going to guide him
in a right direction.
Speaker 9 (04:49):
And Crowder has been charged with a felony and is
now being held without bail.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Wonder how that guy votes?
Speaker 8 (04:58):
He goes around sniffing people's butts, he gets arrested for
sniffing people's butts.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I mean, where do you go from there? How do
you fix that guy? You know?
Speaker 8 (05:19):
You have to wonder he's got parents? Missus Jones, Yes,
it's his officer Smith lapd Oh, this isn't about Bobby.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Again, is it? I'm sorry, but it is. Did he
kill himself? No? Worse?
Speaker 8 (05:37):
Did he get arrested again for sniffing people's butts? Man,
I'm sorry he did. Bond has said it fourteen dog bones.
If you could come down and bail him out, I mean,
or maybe he's just misunderstood, maybe he identifies as a dog.
Speaker 11 (05:57):
Order in the court State versus Barkie Sniffstein, Yes, sure,
my client Barkie here is ridiculed for simply being misunderstood. Misunderstood, counsel,
your client is a serial butt sniffer. He's accused of
literally walking up to people and sniffing their rear ends
without consent.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Also, he's accused of.
Speaker 11 (06:16):
Public urination on a fire hydrant and pooping on a sidewalk.
Your client is disgusting, I judge, hear me out now,
My client, Barky Sniffstein, is just doing what is natural
in his habitat. You see, my client identifies as a
knine aka a do Dear Lord, what might be disgusting
to you is just a normal reaction for Barkie here.
(06:37):
When you and I see a friend, a dear loved one,
we give them a hug. Barkiy here, well, he just
likes to give folks a little honey hello.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
If anything, my client's a good boy.
Speaker 11 (06:47):
I'm telling you it's time to stop being so rough
on my client.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
You see what I did there, Dear God, this might
be the lowest point of my career. Sentences.
Speaker 11 (06:55):
Barkie stays out of all dog parks for two years
and let's call it a slap on the no.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Was with a newspaper. What the hell is that? That's
Black's family. Come on, guys, let's go celebrate to get
some grooming. I'm moving to Texas. This is.
Speaker 11 (07:12):
I don't know what's the name, you say, Michael Gouddy.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Chicago is a.
Speaker 8 (07:18):
Self pool of crime and corruption. You know, Chicago is
one of the great American cities. It's been a long
time since people.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Viewed it that way.
Speaker 8 (07:31):
But Chicago was the marketplace of commodities. It was the
New York of commodities, actual commodities. Not only was it
the place where the exchange was held for that, it's
where companies were headquartered. It's where insurance companies were headquartered,
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it's where industrial companies were headquartered. But it also in
the process became arrival to New York. Definitely the smaller
of the two in influence for comedy, for art, for restaurants,
for culture. It was a very important American city for
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a long time, and then slowly but surely it fell
under the throes of corruption, and slowly but surely it
suffered before many of the others from racial problems, and
that continues to this day. So you ended up having
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police forces that were known to be corrupt, who were
dealing with a black crime problem, and the way they
were dealing with it was engendering a warlike mentality and
being unsuccessful at it. Successful at it for some period
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of time, but using means that were highly criticized, which
then led to political involvement in the enforcement of the
law to an extent that left the people being put
in charge of law enforcement seemingly in favor of crime,
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making this a purely racial issue. Destroyed Chicago. White people
are bad people. There's a Jusy Smallllett movie video documentary
on Netflix which takes you through the Justy Smallllett case
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and then at the end, almost like an ex like
a theatrical exercise, the documentary maker herself, I think she's English.
I forget where she's from. It's a white woman, but
I think she's from England, and she says, you know,
I thought he had done it too. I thought he
had lied. I thought he'd made the whole thing up.
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And then I discovered what did you discover?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (10:11):
I discovered that Jesse's next door neighbors said that she
believed he had been mugged, and this guard said that
he had been.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
He said he also thought he.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Had been mugged a guard around the corner. Oh, so
we had two guys who came forward and said he
paid us to do this. How many times do you ever?
Is it ever the case that when someone sets up
a fake I'm going to get beat up and claim,
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you know, it was the Ku Klux Klan that did it.
And then the two guys that he hired to pretend
to do it for the cameras get caught and come
forward and.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Go, yeah, it was us, we did it. He paid us.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
Here, here's where he paid us, and here's this and
here's how he did it. Oh and here's the video
of us buying all the things that he buying. The
little news not much of a news, but the news,
the little what's that material call? But anyway, it doesn't matter.
At the store a couple of days before that, I mean,
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this is an open and shutcase. Boom jusse crocodile tears, Kamala.
Everybody's saying, oh, this is a horrible thing, that whole thing.
The police superintendent there, who happens to be black, he
says how upset he was that two white guys had
done this to a black guy in Chicago, because he
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has family members from the South. It was clear from
his comments that it was far more troubling to him
if two white guys did this to a black guy
than if two black guys did this to a white guy.
And I'm going to tell you the vast majority. And
when I say vast, I mean probably into the nineties.
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When there is a person of one race beating up
a person of another race, not in a bar fight,
but just attacking them for the sake of attacking them
or to steal what they have that is black and white,
it's not going the other direction. You know the old
adage in journalism, dog bites man, we.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Don't cover it. Man bites dog front page.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
If a white guy attacks a black guy, that makes
national news. And then we've got this whole industry of people,
the al Sharptons of today, Jesse Jackson, they all.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Come forward as if, oh.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
My god, we're back in the slave No, that doesn't happen.
If it ever does happen, it's an outlier because the
reality is every single day black people are attacking white
people every single day, all across the country, and we
all know it.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
We got video of it, plenty of video.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
Now, way more often than black people attacking white people
is black people attacking black people. And you remember what
Jesse Jackson said about all this, If.
Speaker 12 (13:19):
A white killer black, you know, we re vote. If
a black kills the white is sal time we kill
each others mill of time. It's as if somebody has
the right to kill us. And so with the weak
link in the chain, if whites kill us, they get
less time. We call kill us, then we get no time.
We must renew our commitment to stop the violence.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But why if it's black on black crime, is it
mill of time?
Speaker 13 (13:41):
See?
Speaker 8 (13:42):
The point is nobody cares who's black on black. You
can't blame that on the cops. That is the view
within the black community. So that's why it's interesting when
Mayor Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, was on MSNBC
and they said, hey, Trump wants to federalize Chicago, and
he freezes.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I'm going to play something else.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
President Trump said on Friday with regard to your city.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Chicago is a mess. You have an incompetent mayor, grossly incompetent.
And we'll straighten that one out probably next that'll be
our next one after this, and it won't even be tough.
Mark Johnson, Yes, your reaction to what you just heard, Yeah.
Speaker 13 (14:28):
Yeah, Well listen, you know, the President of the United
States of America has repeated this, you know, petulant presentation
since he has assumed office. And you know, if the
reporting is actually true. What he is proposing at this
point would be the most flagrant violation of our constitution in.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
The twenty first century.
Speaker 13 (14:51):
The city of Chicago does not need a military occupation.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
See see you know what I'm hearing here. Hey, if
we want to kill each other, the President.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Has no right to come in here and stop us
from it.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
Now, they'll talk about crime and white people don't care,
and the President doesn't care. Republicans don't care when we
try to solve your problem, you don't want your problem.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Thoughts is Michael Ferry show enjoy it?
Speaker 8 (15:20):
President Trump hosted the leader of South Korea at the
White House today and Ramona and I had to shut
down everything we were doing and just watch the interview
live because we were imagining the translator trying to explain
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to the South Korean president in real time what the
President had just said. And Trump is saying things like, yeah,
Biden's an idiot, I ain't a little rough around the edges.
It basically demented, you know, lost his mind.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
He cuckoo. And I'm just.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Imagining what's the translation for so many of these idioms
and cliches and phrases that are not technical and official.
They're very conversational. But can you imagine that poor guy
having to translate this. Oh I love it, I absolutely
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love it. So let's go back to President Trump and
Attorney General Bill Barr. This is a flashback to June fifteenth,
twenty twenty, and again I'm hitting on the John Bolton
stuff because I think this is very important. I think
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we have had Republicans and their bureaucrats, their political appointments
who have been selling us out. And I think this
goes back at least to the nexton administration. Now, are
the Democrats doing it? Absolutely, But we expect that out
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of the Democrats, right We expect that that Jimmy Carter's
brother was cutting deals with foreign interests, that he was
getting paid cash, he's a low life. We expect that
the that the Clinton Foundation was receiving hundreds of millions
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of dollars. It's the most successful foundation of a former
president in American history by far.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
They made a fortune.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
And by the way, I don't think Trump leaves office
with that stone unturned.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I think it's too.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
Important to him, and I think Hillary was too involved
in the law fair against him, and I think there
is too much.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Knows the Clintons very well.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
They were old friends, and I think Trump wants to
burn her on a level that is much bigger than
what he wants to burn Bolton.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But he does want to burn Bolton.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
And I will tell you I think that you know
what I'm gonna save that We're gonna do a bonus
podcast today.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I'm gonna save that clip because it's a little longer.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Here is Aaron Burnett on CNN when the FBI raided
John Bolton's home.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
She said, is this political payback? Let's listen to this
lat I guess let's just.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Cut the bottom line on what's happened here. Do you
believe that the raids on John Bolton's home and his
office are political payback?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
All right?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Then let's go to Aaron Burnett, the same Aaron Burnett
when the FBI raided the Donald Trump's home known as
mar Alago, She didn't ask if that was political payback?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Breaking news.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
We are learning that the FBI executed a search warrant
at former President Trump's mar A Lago and Palm Beach, Florida.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
We also know that it.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Had turned out earlier right that the president had taken
a lot of documents that were marked as top secret
classified to mar A Lago that he shouldn't have.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
Oh okay, so the FBI rated Trump's home, but they
had a good reason to. The FBI rated Bolton's home,
and you don't state that they had a good reason to.
I wonder why. Flashback to twenty twenty three. John Bolton
was on CNN with Caitlin Collins and he is frightened
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that Trump is going to get elected because he knows
that Trump is going to expose that this is the allegation.
An allegation is that he has sold American secrets to
foreign interest, including cutter or guitar. So this is a
scared man right here using this kind of language.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Just wonder, as someone who worked inside the West Wing
when Donald Trump was president, what is it like for
you to see his mugshot tonight?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well? I thought it was, as with most things Trump does,
carefully stage. They must have thought about what look they wanted.
He could have smiled, he could have looked benign. Instead,
he looks like a thug. And I think it's intended
to be a sign of intimidation against.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
The prosecutors and judges. That's what they picked and we'll
see that picture everywhere.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So you think they actually spent time deciding, you know,
should he smile in this? Should he have this scowl
that he appears to have gone.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
With almost as much time as they spent combing his hair.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
What do you He posted the mugshot, you know, shortly
after on his own social media account, along with the
phrase never surrender. I mean, I've been ironic, given he
had actually just surrendered at the Fulton County jail behind me.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But how do you expect him to try to use.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
This to his political advantage as he's running for president?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, I think in the same way he's used the
other three indictments. And I think the evidence is that
the indictments have proven the law of diminishing marginal utility.
If anything, they're not undercutting his support, they're building it up.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You know, there's an old adage a hit dog squeals. First.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
Elon Musk said that one of the things he did
at DOGE when they first started was he said, tell
me five things you accomplished this week, and the federal employees,
it was said, if you did not respond, then you
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were automatically fired. And he said that what he learned
from that was the same thing he had learned by
doing the same exact thing at companies he had bought
in the past. Employees who are productive don't mind such
an exercise. Employees who mail it in will panic. And
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he said, what they really do is they raise a
flag and say, I'm the problem over here. If you
struggle to state what productive things you accomplished this week,
then you're very likely a person who doesn't do much.
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So rather than have to sift through every federal employee,
you simply wait and let them expose themselves.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's his tactic when taking over.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
You know, folks who do turnarounds, they buy troubled business, says,
and flip them around. One of the things one of
the first things they do is cut the dead weight,
Cut the toxic characters, cut the characters who don't come
in and don't do any work, but have a good
way to gloss over and cover for that fact. Well,
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that was Elon's way of doing it. And I think
in this case, what we're seeing with John Bolton and
what we're seeing with frankly with with John Brennan, you know,
you notice Hillary Clinton's coming back out. John Brennan is
on is on TV every evening. These are supposed to
be people who were retired and gone away.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
They are so.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Aggressively talking and you might think, well, if they're guilty,
they wouldn't talk. No, no, no, they have fooled people for
so long. They are calling out the dogs.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Guys, this is bad.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
If they come for me, they're coming for you. They
are frightened. Shift is frightened.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
From all Duck King of Dingan.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
And this other guy, Michael Barry.
Speaker 8 (24:09):
Rob Demico is a former FBI special agent. He was
on MSNBC and he's supposed to say Trump is only
having Bolton's home and office raided as retribution for the
awful things they did to him, But he doesn't say that.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He doesn't follow their script.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
He says, if you supported the mare A Lago raid
to get documents as part of an investigation, you have
to support the Bolton raid.
Speaker 14 (24:44):
I always go off for my first instinct when I
see a story on this one. I was excited. I thought, Wow,
this is retribution, you know, they said they were going
to do that. But then I look at it and say,
wait a second, if you supported the Moro Lago raid
to try to get US by documents out that we're
trying to quietly gotten before and you kind of have
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to support it in the administration or the then reopen investigation.
There's nothing wrong with that. It's intense and when you
look at the more loggo rate, there was a quiet
effort to get those documents back and they try to try.
So I would really, you know, want to understand was
that done here or was this the show? Was this
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what they are said they're going to do, so they
want to come out and very openly say this is
what we're doing. You know, it's been put out on
X about not being above the loss. I would say
that it goes to intent, but that's kind of a
norm now all the cabinet officials are just going straight
to X when that wasn't done before. So I don't
know if you can separate it by that. But I
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look at it as someone who's handled classified information, very
highly sensitive stuff, every single day, and I'm very careful
with it. When when I was in locations, I would
have notebooks that weren't technically classified, but you're taking notes
in the classified and environment, and they stayed in that
location and I never brought him home. I never brought
him to one other location, and then I had to
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burn them or shred them when I left there and
couldn't bring them back, and I wouldn't want to look
at Are we talking about documents at a stamp that
he had in meetings that were openly classified or they
don't after a notebook, the notes on his books, notebooks
that he took into meetings, because that's actually a lot
harder to prove on the classify side when you take
it to the court.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
You will recall that it was then discovered that Biden
had documents in the warehouse where he keeps the corvette
that nobody can figure out how he pays for, and
Pence self reported, hey, I have some documents here, Come
and see. Intent is a very important part of American
and English jurisprudence. Anglo American jurisprudence. Intent is important because
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you can accidentally do things. But when you can show
that someone had the intent to commit a crime, that
means they understand that what they did was criminal and
they still did it. That's harder to prove. It's a
much higher standard. But when you do prove that you
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got a bigger crime, it can be for some crimes
a defense to say I didn't know this was a crime.
If you walk out of a tex Mex restaurant in Texas,
you can reasonably assume that if there are peppermints next
to the door where you're exiting, and toothpicks, you can
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take one of each. It's a time honored tradition for
the entirety of my life, and maybe before that. When
you leave a tex Mex restaurant in Texas, you take
a toothpick and you clean out your teeth and get
in there and get all that's.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
A good thing.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
You you just had lunch after church on Sunday. You
get up in there and you dig around, you walk outside.
If it's multiple generations of the family, you go, all right,
y'all going home from here. Well, y'all gonna take the key, Okay,
you you gonna ma'ma a. You're gonna take the kids
and I'll pick them up at four o'clock. Uh, all right,
I'm gonna go home watch the ball game. And I guess,
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all right, so when I finished that, and then what
are y'all gonna do? And then you turn to each
member of the family and you coordinate all the plans,
and while you pick your food out of your teeth. Okay,
all right, okay, all right, and then when that is done,
you kind of rub your belly.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
He's good and full. When all that's done.
Speaker 8 (28:34):
You throw the toothpick in the trash and you unwrap
your your peppermint and you toss it in your mouth
on the drive home, and you've completed the proper text.
Max Meal, that's how that works. You've done that one
hundred times. If you live in Texas, you hunt, You've
done that one hundred times. On the one hundred and
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first time. If you grab that pepper and you grab
that toothpick. But that restaurant charges for it. There's no
signage that says.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
They charge for it.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
They just expect you if you take it, to come
back and they'll tell you what it costs.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You didn't have the intent to steal it.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
Because a reasonable person, the standard is known as the
reasonable person. A reasonable person, a reasonable restaurant patron would
expect that it's free right now. In this case, there's
a higher standard for what a reasonable person is. John
Bolton is a national security expert. I don't like him,
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but he would be held to that standard. He cannot
reasonably believe that he can take his legal pads, which
is the notes that he takes during the day from
what he learns from the other intelligence agencies, take those
home and use that to write a book that's not allowed.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
So what he's doing.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
What he's doing is that he is selling our secrets,
both in his books and to foreign governments.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's the allegation. Now let's talk about who John Bolton is.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
Precisely six' twelve and this goes back to two twelve
to twenty twenty. Two this Is John bolton ON cnn
With Jake tapper talking about the fact that he plans
coupdaitas that he plans to topple other.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
GOVERNMENTS i don't know THAT i agree with.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
You to be to be, fair with all due, respect
one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt a.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
COOP i disagree with.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That as somebody who has helped Plan kupdeta not, here
but you know other.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Places it takes a lot of, work and that's not
what he.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Did it was just stumbling around from one idea to.
Another ultimately he did unleash the rioters at the.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Capital as to, that there's no, Doubt SO i will
leave you with this great little.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
Bit this is twenty twenty Three John bolton ON msnbc,
Saying trump like's cool, Things SO i took.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Him, well h guess who's getting revenge.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Now BUT i don't think he cared about the classification.
SYSTEM i don't think he appreciated the sensitivity of this,
information and he didn't appreciate the sensitivity of how it
was often acquired the so called sources and. Methods so
this had been brief to him BEFORE i, arrived it
was repeated. FREQUENTLY i think it simply had no impact on. Him.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Whatever there's a couple of different ways that people think about,
this and people who are not friendly to the president
who think about what's happened, here and one of them,
is you, Know Donald, trump master, thief you, know criminal
running the kind of elaborate conspiracy to bring things out
of The White house and keep him secret for potentially
for political or financial. Gain there are other people who
(32:00):
added this attitude As trump is, chaotic he's, careless he's
not that, Smart he just he Wants he took these
things almost by, mistake and now he's basically stamping.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
His feet and saying their.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
MIND i don't want to give them. Up give me
a sense of where you think the truth lies with
respect To trump's intelligence carelessness and the degree which he
might have brought motive to bear on taking these documents
out of the way as of keeping them for this.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Long and Mar, laga, well it's very hard to speculate
on motive other than that he liked cool. Things he
saw things that he so he wanted to take, them
and he was pretty much able to take, them and
not just unclassified information, matters on all kinds of things
that crossed his. Desk some days he liked to eat
(32:44):
a lot Of french. Fries some days he took classified.
Documents he wanted. Them why did he want? Them because
he could get? Them thank you and good.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Night
It's that time. Time, time, time, luck and load. Michael
Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Ambassador, thank you for being here tonight. I mean, I
just wonder, as someone who worked inside the West Wing
when Donald Trump was president, what is it like for
you to see his mugshot tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, I thought it was, as with most things Trump does,
carefully stage, they must have thought about what look they wanted.
He could have smiled, he could have looked benign.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Instead, he looks like a thug.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
FBI agents have rated the Marrilynd home. A former Trump
National security advisor, John Bolton, happened at seven am this morning.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Shortly after the raid began. FBI Director Cash Fattel posting
on X quote, no one is above the law. FBI
agents on a mission.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
But it is notable, guys that John Bolton, Ambassador bolton
security clearances were stripped earlier this year by President Trump.
Tulsey Gabber, the Director of National Intelligence, took that security
clearance away.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
They had concerns.
Speaker 6 (01:01):
The administration had concerns about Ambassador Bolton still being able
to access some of these documents and have some of
those security clearances. It's also notable that John Bolton has
a security detail as well, because of the threats from
Iran on his life. That security detail, that government, federal
paid security detail, was also taken away by President Trump.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I think a lot of Republicans right now just wish
Cash Fattel, Tulsea Gabbard, and a number of other Trump
nominees would just go away.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
There was a probe going on when Prisident Trump was
in office last time because John Bolden wrote a book
and he violated his NDA, the President said in doing it,
and he felt as though there were classified information in
that book. The prob dropped when Joe Biden became president.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I don't think he cared about the classification system. I
don't think he appreciated the sensitivity of this information, and
he didn't appreciate the sensitivity of how it was often acquired,
the so called sources and method So this had been
brief to him before I arrived, it was repeated frequently.
I think it simply had no impact on him whatever.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
And giving a sense of where you think the truth
wise with respect to Trump's intelligence carelessness and the degree
which he might have brought motive to bear on taking
these documents out of the way as of keeping them
for this long at Marlaga.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well, it's very hard to speculate on motive other than
that he liked cool things. He saw things that he
so he wanted to take them, and he was pretty
much able to take them, and not just on classified
information matters, on all kinds of things that crossed his desk.
Some days he liked to eat a lot of French fries.
Some days he took classified documents.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
He wanted them. Why did he want them? Because he
could get them.
Speaker 8 (02:44):
That is the voice of John Bolton, who was very,
very eager to bring down Donald Trump. He failed, but
now his home and office had been raided. And the
story that is making the realms in DC and media
circles with relative credit credibility is that he was selling secrets.
(03:09):
The belief is through the kataris there's a photo that
has emerged of him in Doha very close to a
drop site and meeting site for the Katari government, a
government that has shown a willingness to pay big money
for American intelligence, and the allegation is that he was
getting paid big money for selling America's intelligence. Remember, we've
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got the best intelligence, presumably in the world, and it's
worth a lot of money to countries rather than having,
rather than being able to accumulate it themselves, they just
buy hours by sellout. John Bolton, a serial butt sniffer,
registered sex offender with a long rap sheet, has been
arrested once again for another sniffing incident in the southern
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California area. He was arrested for a similar incident last month.
The story from ABC seven in Los Angeles.
Speaker 9 (04:03):
To a disturbing story of a registered sex offender who
has been arrested again. He made headlines for sniffing women
in the past. Thirty eight year old Calice Crutter was
rearrested Wednesday after reports of yet another sniffing incident at
a Walgreens at Burbank. This is video of prior incidents.
You can see him coming up behind that woman. Crowder
(04:23):
was already on parole and has a documented history of
similar arrests for lude conducting both Glendale and Burbank, dating
back to twenty twenty one.
Speaker 10 (04:32):
Looking at that pictures off.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
But you were preaking me for a moment.
Speaker 10 (04:38):
I don't think arresting a person was clear of mental
health issues is the answer. Clearly, he needs a program
that's going to keep him. That's going to guide him
in a right direction.
Speaker 9 (04:49):
And Crowder has been charged with a felony and is
now being held without bail.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Wonder how that guy votes?
Speaker 8 (04:58):
He goes around sniffing people's butts, he gets arrested for
sniffing people's butts.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I mean, where do you go from there? How do
you fix that guy? You know?
Speaker 8 (05:19):
You have to wonder he's got parents? Missus Jones, Yes,
it's his officer Smith lapd Oh, this isn't about Bobby.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Again, is it? I'm sorry, but it is. Did he
kill himself? No? Worse?
Speaker 8 (05:37):
Did he get arrested again for sniffing people's butts? Man,
I'm sorry he did. Bond has said it fourteen dog bones.
If you could come down and bail him out, I mean,
or maybe he's just misunderstood, maybe he identifies as a dog.
Speaker 11 (05:57):
Order in the court State versus Barkie Sniffstein, Yes, sure,
my client Barkie here is ridiculed for simply being misunderstood. Misunderstood, counsel,
your client is a serial butt sniffer. He's accused of
literally walking up to people and sniffing their rear ends
without consent.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Also, he's accused of.
Speaker 11 (06:16):
Public urination on a fire hydrant and pooping on a sidewalk.
Your client is disgusting, I judge, hear me out now,
My client, Barky Sniffstein, is just doing what is natural
in his habitat. You see, my client identifies as a
knine aka a do Dear Lord, what might be disgusting
to you is just a normal reaction for Barkie here.
(06:37):
When you and I see a friend, a dear loved one,
we give them a hug. Barkiy here, well, he just
likes to give folks a little honey hello.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
If anything, my client's a good boy.
Speaker 11 (06:47):
I'm telling you it's time to stop being so rough
on my client.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
You see what I did there, Dear God, this might
be the lowest point of my career. Sentences.
Speaker 11 (06:55):
Barkie stays out of all dog parks for two years
and let's call it a slap on the no.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Was with a newspaper. What the hell is that? That's
Black's family. Come on, guys, let's go celebrate to get
some grooming. I'm moving to Texas. This is.
Speaker 11 (07:12):
I don't know what's the name, you say, Michael Gouddy.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Chicago is a.
Speaker 8 (07:18):
Self pool of crime and corruption. You know, Chicago is
one of the great American cities. It's been a long
time since people.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Viewed it that way.
Speaker 8 (07:31):
But Chicago was the marketplace of commodities. It was the
New York of commodities, actual commodities. Not only was it
the place where the exchange was held for that, it's
where companies were headquartered. It's where insurance companies were headquartered,
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it's where industrial companies were headquartered. But it also in
the process became arrival to New York. Definitely the smaller
of the two in influence for comedy, for art, for restaurants,
for culture. It was a very important American city for
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a long time, and then slowly but surely it fell
under the throes of corruption, and slowly but surely it
suffered before many of the others from racial problems, and
that continues to this day. So you ended up having
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police forces that were known to be corrupt, who were
dealing with a black crime problem, and the way they
were dealing with it was engendering a warlike mentality and
being unsuccessful at it. Successful at it for some period
(09:01):
of time, but using means that were highly criticized, which
then led to political involvement in the enforcement of the
law to an extent that left the people being put
in charge of law enforcement seemingly in favor of crime,
(09:24):
making this a purely racial issue. Destroyed Chicago. White people
are bad people. There's a Jusy Smallllett movie video documentary
on Netflix which takes you through the Justy Smallllett case
(09:45):
and then at the end, almost like an ex like
a theatrical exercise, the documentary maker herself, I think she's English.
I forget where she's from. It's a white woman, but
I think she's from England, and she says, you know,
I thought he had done it too. I thought he
had lied. I thought he'd made the whole thing up.
(10:06):
And then I discovered what did you discover?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (10:11):
I discovered that Jesse's next door neighbors said that she
believed he had been mugged, and this guard said that
he had been.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
He said he also thought he.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Had been mugged a guard around the corner. Oh, so
we had two guys who came forward and said he
paid us to do this. How many times do you ever?
Is it ever the case that when someone sets up
a fake I'm going to get beat up and claim,
(10:41):
you know, it was the Ku Klux Klan that did it.
And then the two guys that he hired to pretend
to do it for the cameras get caught and come
forward and.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Go, yeah, it was us, we did it. He paid us.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
Here, here's where he paid us, and here's this and
here's how he did it. Oh and here's the video
of us buying all the things that he buying. The
little news not much of a news, but the news,
the little what's that material call? But anyway, it doesn't matter.
At the store a couple of days before that, I mean,
(11:15):
this is an open and shutcase. Boom jusse crocodile tears, Kamala.
Everybody's saying, oh, this is a horrible thing, that whole thing.
The police superintendent there, who happens to be black, he
says how upset he was that two white guys had
done this to a black guy in Chicago, because he
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has family members from the South. It was clear from
his comments that it was far more troubling to him
if two white guys did this to a black guy
than if two black guys did this to a white guy.
And I'm going to tell you the vast majority. And
when I say vast, I mean probably into the nineties.
(12:02):
When there is a person of one race beating up
a person of another race, not in a bar fight,
but just attacking them for the sake of attacking them
or to steal what they have that is black and white,
it's not going the other direction. You know the old
adage in journalism, dog bites man, we.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Don't cover it. Man bites dog front page.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
If a white guy attacks a black guy, that makes
national news. And then we've got this whole industry of people,
the al Sharptons of today, Jesse Jackson, they all.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Come forward as if, oh.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
My god, we're back in the slave No, that doesn't happen.
If it ever does happen, it's an outlier because the
reality is every single day black people are attacking white
people every single day, all across the country, and we
all know it.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
We got video of it, plenty of video.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
Now, way more often than black people attacking white people
is black people attacking black people. And you remember what
Jesse Jackson said about all this, If.
Speaker 12 (13:19):
A white killer black, you know, we re vote. If
a black kills the white is sal time we kill
each others mill of time. It's as if somebody has
the right to kill us. And so with the weak
link in the chain, if whites kill us, they get
less time. We call kill us, then we get no time.
We must renew our commitment to stop the violence.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But why if it's black on black crime, is it
mill of time?
Speaker 13 (13:41):
See?
Speaker 8 (13:42):
The point is nobody cares who's black on black. You
can't blame that on the cops. That is the view
within the black community. So that's why it's interesting when
Mayor Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, was on MSNBC
and they said, hey, Trump wants to federalize Chicago, and
he freezes.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I'm going to play something else.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
President Trump said on Friday with regard to your city.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Chicago is a mess. You have an incompetent mayor, grossly incompetent.
And we'll straighten that one out probably next that'll be
our next one after this, and it won't even be tough.
Mark Johnson, Yes, your reaction to what you just heard, Yeah.
Speaker 13 (14:28):
Yeah, Well listen, you know, the President of the United
States of America has repeated this, you know, petulant presentation
since he has assumed office. And you know, if the
reporting is actually true. What he is proposing at this
point would be the most flagrant violation of our constitution in.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
The twenty first century.
Speaker 13 (14:51):
The city of Chicago does not need a military occupation.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
See see you know what I'm hearing here. Hey, if
we want to kill each other, the President.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Has no right to come in here and stop us
from it.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
Now, they'll talk about crime and white people don't care,
and the President doesn't care. Republicans don't care when we
try to solve your problem, you don't want your problem.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Thoughts is Michael Ferry show enjoy it?
Speaker 8 (15:20):
President Trump hosted the leader of South Korea at the
White House today and Ramona and I had to shut
down everything we were doing and just watch the interview
live because we were imagining the translator trying to explain
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to the South Korean president in real time what the
President had just said. And Trump is saying things like, yeah,
Biden's an idiot, I ain't a little rough around the edges.
It basically demented, you know, lost his mind.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
He cuckoo. And I'm just.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Imagining what's the translation for so many of these idioms
and cliches and phrases that are not technical and official.
They're very conversational. But can you imagine that poor guy
having to translate this. Oh I love it, I absolutely
(16:21):
love it. So let's go back to President Trump and
Attorney General Bill Barr. This is a flashback to June fifteenth,
twenty twenty, and again I'm hitting on the John Bolton
stuff because I think this is very important. I think
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we have had Republicans and their bureaucrats, their political appointments
who have been selling us out. And I think this
goes back at least to the nexton administration. Now, are
the Democrats doing it? Absolutely, But we expect that out
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of the Democrats, right We expect that that Jimmy Carter's
brother was cutting deals with foreign interests, that he was
getting paid cash, he's a low life. We expect that
the that the Clinton Foundation was receiving hundreds of millions
(17:31):
of dollars. It's the most successful foundation of a former
president in American history by far.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
They made a fortune.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
And by the way, I don't think Trump leaves office
with that stone unturned.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I think it's too.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
Important to him, and I think Hillary was too involved
in the law fair against him, and I think there
is too much.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Knows the Clintons very well.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
They were old friends, and I think Trump wants to
burn her on a level that is much bigger than
what he wants to burn Bolton.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But he does want to burn Bolton.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
And I will tell you I think that you know
what I'm gonna save that We're gonna do a bonus
podcast today.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I'm gonna save that clip because it's a little longer.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Here is Aaron Burnett on CNN when the FBI raided
John Bolton's home.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
She said, is this political payback? Let's listen to this
lat I guess let's just.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Cut the bottom line on what's happened here. Do you
believe that the raids on John Bolton's home and his
office are political payback?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
All right?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Then let's go to Aaron Burnett, the same Aaron Burnett
when the FBI raided the Donald Trump's home known as
mar Alago, She didn't ask if that was political payback?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Breaking news.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
We are learning that the FBI executed a search warrant
at former President Trump's mar A Lago and Palm Beach, Florida.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
We also know that it.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Had turned out earlier right that the president had taken
a lot of documents that were marked as top secret
classified to mar A Lago that he shouldn't have.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
Oh okay, so the FBI rated Trump's home, but they
had a good reason to. The FBI rated Bolton's home,
and you don't state that they had a good reason to.
I wonder why. Flashback to twenty twenty three. John Bolton
was on CNN with Caitlin Collins and he is frightened
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that Trump is going to get elected because he knows
that Trump is going to expose that this is the allegation.
An allegation is that he has sold American secrets to
foreign interest, including cutter or guitar. So this is a
scared man right here using this kind of language.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Just wonder, as someone who worked inside the West Wing
when Donald Trump was president, what is it like for
you to see his mugshot tonight?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well? I thought it was, as with most things Trump does,
carefully stage. They must have thought about what look they wanted.
He could have smiled, he could have looked benign. Instead,
he looks like a thug. And I think it's intended
to be a sign of intimidation against.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
The prosecutors and judges. That's what they picked and we'll
see that picture everywhere.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So you think they actually spent time deciding, you know,
should he smile in this? Should he have this scowl
that he appears to have gone.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
With almost as much time as they spent combing his hair.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
What do you He posted the mugshot, you know, shortly
after on his own social media account, along with the
phrase never surrender. I mean, I've been ironic, given he
had actually just surrendered at the Fulton County jail behind me.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But how do you expect him to try to use.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
This to his political advantage as he's running for president?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, I think in the same way he's used the
other three indictments. And I think the evidence is that
the indictments have proven the law of diminishing marginal utility.
If anything, they're not undercutting his support, they're building it up.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You know, there's an old adage a hit dog squeals. First.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
Elon Musk said that one of the things he did
at DOGE when they first started was he said, tell
me five things you accomplished this week, and the federal employees,
it was said, if you did not respond, then you
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were automatically fired. And he said that what he learned
from that was the same thing he had learned by
doing the same exact thing at companies he had bought
in the past. Employees who are productive don't mind such
an exercise. Employees who mail it in will panic. And
(22:22):
he said, what they really do is they raise a
flag and say, I'm the problem over here. If you
struggle to state what productive things you accomplished this week,
then you're very likely a person who doesn't do much.
(22:42):
So rather than have to sift through every federal employee,
you simply wait and let them expose themselves.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's his tactic when taking over.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
You know, folks who do turnarounds, they buy troubled business, says,
and flip them around. One of the things one of
the first things they do is cut the dead weight,
Cut the toxic characters, cut the characters who don't come
in and don't do any work, but have a good
way to gloss over and cover for that fact. Well,
(23:17):
that was Elon's way of doing it. And I think
in this case, what we're seeing with John Bolton and
what we're seeing with frankly with with John Brennan, you know,
you notice Hillary Clinton's coming back out. John Brennan is
on is on TV every evening. These are supposed to
be people who were retired and gone away.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
They are so.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Aggressively talking and you might think, well, if they're guilty,
they wouldn't talk. No, no, no, they have fooled people for
so long. They are calling out the dogs.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Guys, this is bad.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
If they come for me, they're coming for you. They
are frightened. Shift is frightened.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
From all Duck King of Dingan.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
And this other guy, Michael Barry.
Speaker 8 (24:09):
Rob Demico is a former FBI special agent. He was
on MSNBC and he's supposed to say Trump is only
having Bolton's home and office raided as retribution for the
awful things they did to him, But he doesn't say that.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He doesn't follow their script.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
He says, if you supported the mare A Lago raid
to get documents as part of an investigation, you have
to support the Bolton raid.
Speaker 14 (24:44):
I always go off for my first instinct when I
see a story on this one. I was excited. I thought, Wow,
this is retribution, you know, they said they were going
to do that. But then I look at it and say,
wait a second, if you supported the Moro Lago raid
to try to get US by documents out that we're
trying to quietly gotten before and you kind of have
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to support it in the administration or the then reopen investigation.
There's nothing wrong with that. It's intense and when you
look at the more loggo rate, there was a quiet
effort to get those documents back and they try to try.
So I would really, you know, want to understand was
that done here or was this the show? Was this
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what they are said they're going to do, so they
want to come out and very openly say this is
what we're doing. You know, it's been put out on
X about not being above the loss. I would say
that it goes to intent, but that's kind of a
norm now all the cabinet officials are just going straight
to X when that wasn't done before. So I don't
know if you can separate it by that. But I
(25:45):
look at it as someone who's handled classified information, very
highly sensitive stuff, every single day, and I'm very careful
with it. When when I was in locations, I would
have notebooks that weren't technically classified, but you're taking notes
in the classified and environment, and they stayed in that
location and I never brought him home. I never brought
him to one other location, and then I had to
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burn them or shred them when I left there and
couldn't bring them back, and I wouldn't want to look
at Are we talking about documents at a stamp that
he had in meetings that were openly classified or they
don't after a notebook, the notes on his books, notebooks
that he took into meetings, because that's actually a lot
harder to prove on the classify side when you take
it to the court.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
You will recall that it was then discovered that Biden
had documents in the warehouse where he keeps the corvette
that nobody can figure out how he pays for, and
Pence self reported, hey, I have some documents here, Come
and see. Intent is a very important part of American
and English jurisprudence. Anglo American jurisprudence. Intent is important because
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you can accidentally do things. But when you can show
that someone had the intent to commit a crime, that
means they understand that what they did was criminal and
they still did it. That's harder to prove. It's a
much higher standard. But when you do prove that you
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got a bigger crime, it can be for some crimes
a defense to say I didn't know this was a crime.
If you walk out of a tex Mex restaurant in Texas,
you can reasonably assume that if there are peppermints next
to the door where you're exiting, and toothpicks, you can
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take one of each. It's a time honored tradition for
the entirety of my life, and maybe before that. When
you leave a tex Mex restaurant in Texas, you take
a toothpick and you clean out your teeth and get
in there and get all that's.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
A good thing.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
You you just had lunch after church on Sunday. You
get up in there and you dig around, you walk outside.
If it's multiple generations of the family, you go, all right,
y'all going home from here. Well, y'all gonna take the key, Okay,
you you gonna ma'ma a. You're gonna take the kids
and I'll pick them up at four o'clock. Uh, all right,
I'm gonna go home watch the ball game. And I guess,
(28:18):
all right, so when I finished that, and then what
are y'all gonna do? And then you turn to each
member of the family and you coordinate all the plans,
and while you pick your food out of your teeth. Okay,
all right, okay, all right, and then when that is done,
you kind of rub your belly.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
He's good and full. When all that's done.
Speaker 8 (28:34):
You throw the toothpick in the trash and you unwrap
your your peppermint and you toss it in your mouth
on the drive home, and you've completed the proper text.
Max Meal, that's how that works. You've done that one
hundred times. If you live in Texas, you hunt, You've
done that one hundred times. On the one hundred and
(28:56):
first time. If you grab that pepper and you grab
that toothpick. But that restaurant charges for it. There's no
signage that says.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
They charge for it.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
They just expect you if you take it, to come
back and they'll tell you what it costs.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You didn't have the intent to steal it.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
Because a reasonable person, the standard is known as the
reasonable person. A reasonable person, a reasonable restaurant patron would
expect that it's free right now. In this case, there's
a higher standard for what a reasonable person is. John
Bolton is a national security expert. I don't like him,
(29:38):
but he would be held to that standard. He cannot
reasonably believe that he can take his legal pads, which
is the notes that he takes during the day from
what he learns from the other intelligence agencies, take those
home and use that to write a book that's not allowed.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
So what he's doing.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
What he's doing is that he is selling our secrets,
both in his books and to foreign governments.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's the allegation. Now let's talk about who John Bolton is.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
Precisely six' twelve and this goes back to two twelve
to twenty twenty. Two this Is John bolton ON cnn
With Jake tapper talking about the fact that he plans
coupdaitas that he plans to topple other.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
GOVERNMENTS i don't know THAT i agree with.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
You to be to be, fair with all due, respect
one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt a.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
COOP i disagree with.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That as somebody who has helped Plan kupdeta not, here
but you know other.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Places it takes a lot of, work and that's not
what he.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Did it was just stumbling around from one idea to.
Another ultimately he did unleash the rioters at the.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Capital as to, that there's no, Doubt SO i will
leave you with this great little.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
Bit this is twenty twenty Three John bolton ON msnbc,
Saying trump like's cool, Things SO i took.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Him, well h guess who's getting revenge.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Now BUT i don't think he cared about the classification.
SYSTEM i don't think he appreciated the sensitivity of this,
information and he didn't appreciate the sensitivity of how it
was often acquired the so called sources and. Methods so
this had been brief to him BEFORE i, arrived it
was repeated. FREQUENTLY i think it simply had no impact on. Him.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Whatever there's a couple of different ways that people think about,
this and people who are not friendly to the president
who think about what's happened, here and one of them,
is you, Know Donald, trump master, thief you, know criminal
running the kind of elaborate conspiracy to bring things out
of The White house and keep him secret for potentially
for political or financial. Gain there are other people who
(32:00):
added this attitude As trump is, chaotic he's, careless he's
not that, Smart he just he Wants he took these
things almost by, mistake and now he's basically stamping.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
His feet and saying their.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
MIND i don't want to give them. Up give me
a sense of where you think the truth lies with
respect To trump's intelligence carelessness and the degree which he
might have brought motive to bear on taking these documents
out of the way as of keeping them for this.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Long and Mar, laga, well it's very hard to speculate
on motive other than that he liked cool. Things he
saw things that he so he wanted to take, them
and he was pretty much able to take, them and
not just unclassified information, matters on all kinds of things
that crossed his. Desk some days he liked to eat
(32:44):
a lot Of french. Fries some days he took classified.
Documents he wanted. Them why did he want? Them because
he could get? Them thank you and good.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
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