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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Several years ago, Cheryl Atkinson hew It at the time,
was at CBS, started reviewing things about what was going
on in the government, and then crazy things started happening
to her and she wrote a book about it, and
in fact, we invited her to Houston.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
She came out to the RCC.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Listeners came out and bought her book, loved it, and
we have watched her grow from being an award winning
reporter for CBS to deciding I'm not going to play
the game of the mainstream media. I'm not going to
be afraid of big Pharma, going to be afraid of
big government. And she is fearless, which, as you folks know,
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is the ultimate compliment I give someone. She is back
with a new book and it is an honor to
have her on. I am an unabashed, unashamed fanboy. I
think she is the BEA's knees. She is wonderful. The
book is called Follow the Science, How Big Pharma Misleads,
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obscures and Prevails. Our guest is Sheryl Exison. Welcome to
the program, Lunch Talk.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I still remember, so finally our time there with that
first book. I mean, it was really a huge plus
for the launch of that and helped make it a
big success. I still thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I really think it was the one thing that made
it a success and really launched your career.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I think it kind of was.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
It was we went on the New York Times bestseller
list right after that.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I noticed the back of your book has praise from
Michael Schellenberger, Megan Kelly, who I Doore, Jason Chaffitz, Paul Thacker,
and Jay Battacheria.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
But there's no Michael Berry on there. I'm not mad.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I would love to have had a blurb from Michael Barry.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I know what only you can say, Michael Barry, thanks
to the World of View. And this is a great
book and I highly recommend it from here on now.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, so let's talk about the book, because you are
hardcore into details and facts, and that's what I like
about you.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You go where the facts lead you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
How big pharma misleads, obscures and prevails. How do they
do that? And toward what end? And who helps them
do it? The floor is yours.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
What I think?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
What's so important is the people listening understand that we've
never spent more money on insurance and pills and doctors
and medicine and healthcare, but we're growing sicker and sicker
as a society. And our doctors, Michael, they seem like
they don't notice. They pretend it's not happening, and we
all know it's happening. So what I outline in the book,
with not just anecdotes but hard data, is this conflicted relationship,
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this collusion between big pharma, media, politicians, and the added
element of the medical establishment, your doctors included, who either
by ignorance or by wilfulness, are playing along with the
agenda that big pharma sets and it's resulting in making
it sicker.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Let's talk about that medical establishment, because my doctor, doctor
Mary Tally Boden in Houston, was shut down by a
major and reputable hospital system here in Texas, and they
went so far as to go after her medical license
and anybody else. She spent millions of dollars. She's fought them,
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she's been trash, she's been called every name in the book,
and as a result, she's become a folk hero because
she fought back and like you, she's fearless, but talk
a little bit about how big pharma uses government, media
and the medical establishment, how they how they maintain pain
this discipline, because I think that's what's important, is it's
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top down and the way they do it, the way
they use the dollars to do it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well. People probably already know something of the fact that
big Farmer has brought out both political parties through campaign contributions.
So even though there are well meaning members of Congress
to be sure, they are dictated largely by the rules
of the party and the policies that the party wants,
and the parties take a lot of money from big pharmers,
so they're holding hearings or not holding hearings, and making
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decisions on oversight based on what's good for the companies
donating to them, not what's good for us. So let's
accept that we also know how much money they give
to media companies through advertising. So they've learned how to
kind of buy their way into control of what we report.
Because now we self censor. It doesn't even mean they
have to step in so often anymore and stop news reporting.
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We know as an industry where our bread is buttered.
But the new component. I think that we explore all
of that in the book, but I think a lot
of people don't know. It starts in med school, Michael,
that most stocks, there's the most popular reference or textbook
that they learn from is called the Merk Manuals. As in, Mark,
the pharmaceutical company, writes the textbook for the doctors. And
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as I dug in, you know, Pinky promises that their
editorial division is firewalled from the writing division, the textbook
writing division. But I think that's ridiculous. I mean, of course,
the people writing the textbook understand who pays their checks,
you know, and who's calling the shots. But I dug
in to see exactly what these textbooks are teaching our
doctors about medicine, and this gives I think terrific insight
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into how our doctors are focused. For example, I found
so many omissions of information in fact, but I also
found tons of false information. By that, I mean, I'm like, oh,
what did the Mark Manuals say about the controversial Merk
HPV gardasil vaccine that's had so many problems?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I look it up.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
It literally says there are no side effects reported, and
yet if you look at the label the FDA approved
label for the very same vaccine. There and dozens of
serious side effects listed, everything from paralysis and nerve just
I mean, just everything bad. But here doctors are being
taught there are no side effects. How do they get
away with it? I don't know, but I think pushing
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doctors towards this type of information and excluding so much
is why when they practice they think there's no side effects.
They're not even doing independent thinking on their own. They
just brush all this stuff off that starts in med school.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You know, Cheryl, I have told doctor Mary Tellyboten this
in Houston. Sometimes, knowing what you now know, sometimes I
wish I didn't know these things.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It is so overpowering, it is final, so oppressive to
my mind.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
We have to know because we cannot be children or ostriches.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
But it really it burdens me.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It troubles me deep in my soul that there are
people wearing a white lab coat who are prescribing drugs
and beloved by patients, that are selling out so willfully.
It just it gives me just such an awful feeling.
Do you bear this burden? I mean, do you take
it home with you? How do you deal with I'm
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very serious.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I absolutely do. But I guess that's what makes me
a writer at my heart, because I feel better when
I write it. And when I write a book or
an article or I do a story for my TV show,
I feel better, you know. I just think, at least
I'm putting a resource out there, hard to find information
that people can find. I interviewed Mary Tally Boden. I
know exactly what you're talking about. I put on my
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TV show her and a bunch of other doctors who
were the first to stand up and refuse the mandatory
vaccinations at the first hospital that went along which trying
to force these on doctors. I mean, this is incredible stuff,
Like you're talking about the doctors that were so sheepish
when it was their time to stand up and do
what's right, and it shouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Been so hard.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
On the plus side, Michael, I will say, there is
a coalition of independent, thinking, smart, reputable doctors who were
in the mainstream, but COVID forced them out when they
saw this ridiculous stuff happening, like doctor Mary Kelly Boden.
And there's a formidable force of these people that have
become They never saw themselves as activists, but they're really
trying to change the system and developing independent methods and
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organizations and even research so we can get to the
heart of some of our chronic health problems in this country,
so we can break free of this medical establishment juggernaut
that's been set.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
In my opinion, goes a little cuckoo on some of
the environmental issues, but on health related issues, he has
really been a leader on this issue. One moment, our
guest to Cheryl Akison, will continue our conversation with her.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The book is Follow the Science. More coming up you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Got Michael Berry's award winning reporter, New York Times bestselling author, Fearless, Fearless,
Provider of the Truth.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Cheryl Akison is our guest.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Her new book will hit bookstands in just a few days.
It's called Follow the Science. How Big Pharma misleads, obscures
and prevails.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
How much of what Robert F. Kennedy, Junr.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Has been preaching, particularly on health. One of the quotes
he had I thought was so good. There's nothing as
profitable as a sick child, suggesting that that big pharma
and big medicine are sickening our children so they can
make money off of them, which is disturbing.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But I don't know that it's untrue your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I don't think there's another lead political figure of our
time that understands what we're talking about better and expresses
it better. And that's partly because I don't know if
people know. He's a lawyer who is litigated against the
government on some corrupt and health related and vaccine related
issues and one, and he understands inside out what goes
on at the Department of Justice as they blindly defend
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vaccine injuries at any cost, even when they're settling behind
the scenes and admitting they cause autism, but they're publicly
meaning the government saying that's not true. He knows all
this stuff, and that makes him uniquely dangerous, he said
to me in an interview, which I thought, boy, I
hope he has a food taster, he said, if he
were to get too elected as president at the time
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running for president, but even if he gets an important
position under Trump and Trump is elected, he says, I
know the names of the people to fire at CDC.
I know if I walk into the headquarters in Atlanta,
who needs to go and where the corruption is, and
I believe that's true. And again that makes him uniquely
dangerous to the establishment, not just medical establishment, but at large,
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the same people that fear a Donald Trump who comes
in and shakes things up when it comes to the
established ways within our political system.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
That's a pretty ringing endorsement. I want to go through
the chapters of the book and just have you talk
for a moment about what we will learn from that.
The book is called Follow the Science, How Big Pharma Misleads,
Obscures and Prevails by Cheryl Atkinson, Chapter one, Down the
Rabbit Hole.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Well, I wanted people to come along with me because
they may thank Cheryl's just skeptical and she's broken stories
and learned the stuff because she's just a skeptical person.
But I wanted people to understand I wasn't on these issues.
My brother's a doctor, my dad's a doctor. I used
to think, like a lot of people, probably doctors always
acting your best interests. The government would never lie, doctors
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would never lie, YadA YadA. So I'm taking people along
with selected anecdotes and facts to show them how I
arrived to the point where I could break big You
know corruption stories on the health ven you and it
started nine to eleven, and you know, I won't tell
too long a story, but basically I covered the revival
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of the smallpox vaccination program, which was very short lived
because of the vaccine side effects, which included sounds, familiar,
blood cloths, beat gained, thrombosis, heart inflammation, myocarditis. I didn't
know vaccines could cause any of this stuff, and that
was not controversial back then that the big giant propaganda
machine hadn't started working on the news media yet we're
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all reporting this stuff. But that's sort of how my
entree into this world, which one scientist called one government
scientist is called the third rail.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You know, it really is ryl. It's one of those
things that it's a burden to be informed, it really is.
It's a burden that people have to bear to save
our country, but it's easier.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
That's why people remain low information voters.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
That's why they into that's why they focus on sports
or Kim Kardashian rather than what's going on in this
country because it's tough. Accidental enlightenment. Chapter two of your book.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, these are where I'm talking about things I didn't
intend to discover. When I was covering for CBS News
investigating medical stories and assigned to cover dangerous drugs and
again selected anecdotes and stories from behind the scenes, how
I came to understand, with provable facts, how the pharmaceutical
industry was misleading, skewing studies, putting out false information, and
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how the media began to go along with it. Through
this relationship we mentioned a bit ago, with there's so
many financial ties between the two. We started to see
that the press would no longer cover these stories, which
are very popular in the early nineties, but it came
to a point where the pharmaceutical industry had more say so,
and we stopped seeing the good oversight stories.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes, number three Chapter three mind games.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Well, I look at a specific example of probably the
most controversial drug approval ever by the FDA, and that
was recent ad you Can You MAB, which was promised
hopefully to cure a slow Alzheimer's. Most experts say it
doesn't and it has side effects. But it's a tortured
tale of how the studies on this drug were stopped
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midstream because even the drug company had to acknowledge it's
called a futility, finding that the studies were futile. They
weren't going to come out to anything positive. Long story short,
you'll see how the FDA approved the drug anyway over
the objection of all of its advisors. Not one said
this drug should be approved super expensive, They worried about
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it safety, they said it wasn't effective or there was
no proof, and the FDA put this on the market anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, I'll let you talk of the frog professor.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Chapter four.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
This highlights the story of a Berkeley African American professor
twenty years ago working for a chemical company who found
out that atrazine, a chemical that's ubiquitous in our drinking
water for all of us, used on a lot of
corn crops and other stuff, how it was turning boy
frogs into girl frogs, and since then studies have confirmed
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that it affects all animals to some degree. Although the
government will say there's not enough of it that we're
getting to worry about, but he insists that's wrong and
that it could be playing a role in the transgender
feelings that so many Americans say they have today. They're
getting these chemical indocrine and hormone disruptors as part of
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their diet, their water, and their food, other chemicals too.
This chapter tells how the chemical company, once their hired
researcher found this information, how they tried to smear and
destroy him so that the information would not get out
or would not be believed.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You know, I'm going to interrupt for a moment.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You hear things, there has to be a defense by
big pharma, bout big medicine, by politicians, by the media.
And so what they say is, do you hear yourself?
You're talking about making frogs from boys and the girl?
You sound crazy. And for people who won't do the
research and who naively willfully believe what they're told, you
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do sound kind of crazy. And that's the part that
upsets me is the more I learn, the more I realize,
Dear God, if I share this, I sound crazy, But
that doesn't make it any less true.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, and I think what my editor said was so
good about the book is he says, people hear some
of this and have that reaction like really, And then
he says the goods are there because the data and
the proof is in the book as well. And then
he says, so you turn the page and you go, oh,
my God, this is real. I mean, there's no doubt
that what I just told you about the frogs, there's
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no disputing that. The only dispute is the chemical company
and the government want to say the exposure you get
on a daily basis hopefully would not be too dangerous
to you, but they don't counter that. The studies, one
hundreds of studies now show this and various animals. So yeah,
I think people this stuff does sound crazy in some respects,
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and it did to me too, And that's what the
book I think helps take It helps take you along
of that journey where you see how reasonable and how
science based this information is.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I admire Chryl Atkinson and apply to her the title
that very few people actually deserve, but many people use.
She is an old fashioned, traditional pure journalist. She goes
and finds things, She researches, She looks for every angle
of every side, and then she shares it. She does
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the heavy lifting, so we don't have to. That is
our guest, Cheryl Akison. We will continue our conversation with her.
The book is called Follow the Science, How Big Pharma
Misleads Obscures. Here's the part that gets you and prevails.
How big pharma misleads, obscures, and prevails.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Cheryl Akinson follow the science more coming up. This is me,
Michael berry Ship.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Well, like you say, this stuff that's had, it's so
unbelievable to me. But as I started to understand the
science behind it, these are things that open my eyes.
One of them, I would say, is viagra causing blindness.
I booked that story internationally some years ago at CBS one.
Other journalists didn't care. It was nothing more than a
laugh to them. When a small article came up on
the wire services and I talked about how the people
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who uncover these side effects that the government should be uncovering,
the drug companies should be telling us about like blindness
with the erectile dysfunction drugs. They're not coming up with
it because then I'll looking for whatever reason, the doctors
who are prescribing it aren't asking. So this tells how
this was discovered by me and also by independent doctors
who are treating it as it happens these problems. Not
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the urologists that should have been looking for this, but
an eye doctor noticed these patterns, so I thought that
was fascinating. I talk about the tricks that FDA scientists
say the drug companies use to hide adverse events in
their studies that they submit to being approved, so that
these things won't show up until it's too late. I
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talk about how the medical journals that your doctor and
my doctor rely upon, how they are compromised according to
the journal editors themselves, who you will see quoted, who
say much or most of the studies in these medical
journals today are not to be believed because they've been
so co opted by the pharmaceutical industry. So that's just
a few.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
A third rail, some of you may have heard that
reference is an additional electric current, usually used in things
like electric railroad systems.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
It is something not to be touched. It is dangerous.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It is also a metaphor for topics that are not
to be mentioned because they are too upsetting, too disturbing.
Chapter six of the book Follow the Science, How Big
Pharma misleads, obscures, and prevails. Chapter six is the third
rail vaccines. What are those violate the third rail rules?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Cheryl?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
This is one of the most fascinating I think chapters.
I have snippets among so many things that I learned
about vaccines after the smallpox vaccine story I told you
about when one of the researchers said, oh, I'm not
touching childhood vaccines. That's the third rail. I didn't even
know what third rail meant. I had to look all
that up, started digging and finding pere of you published
research that link childhood vaccines to autism. Even though people
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would and maybe may still say that doesn't exist, it's
not true that it doesn't exist. There's tons of sides
out there, and I started discovering more and more. I
read for a year before I reported on it, because
what you hear in the news is so contrary to
what I was learning. It was just shocking. But there's
lists here. I'll just give you one. The government's lead expert,
doctor ANDREWS. Zimmerman. And boy, the industry hates when I
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say this. They keep digging this up and trying to controversialize.
They don't say it's not true, they just try to
pick it apart. The government's lead expert witness as the
government defends vaccine companies on vaccine injuries. The lead witness
saying vaccines weren't causing autism at the time is a
famous neurologist, doctor Andrew Zimmerman who changed his mind and
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came to learn that vaccines can cause autism after all.
That's like the murder is the best friend admitting his
buddy committed the crime. He tells, and he's sworn this
in an affidavit that hasn't gotten much attention.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
That Robert F.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Kennedy, Junior god is a lawyer that I reported on
a couple of years ago. He swore in an affidavit
that when he told the government the truth, the government
fired him as an expert witness. The Department of Justice
continue to defend the vaccine companies in the autism cases
and misrepresented doctor Zimmerman's opinion, telling the court wrongly. That
doctor Zimmerman has said this link isn't possible. All this
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is in a sworn aff a day that years later
nobody's been held accountable. That's just one of many things
listed in this chapter that will help you understand the
science behind the third Rail.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Chapter seven of the book Follow the Science by Cheryl
Patkinson is de Niro and me, Well, this is I.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Got an interesting phone call years ago from Robert de Niro,
actually from his wife, and then he got on the phone.
They have a likely vaccine injured child who's now in
his teens, maybe he's in his twenties now. And d
NIO's wife at the time, remember she says the vaccine
injury happening to the child, and really started to want
to dig into it. As documentary started to get made
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and this began to be more talked about. Around the
twenty sixteen time period, de Niro tried to screen an
important factual documentary at his triedbeca film festival and he.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Got Max down.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean, there were pharmaceutical sponsors. I suspect that the
pharmaceutical sponsors were behind getting this taken out of the festival.
But he called me almost every day for a long time,
being really a scientific researcher on this topic, leading up
looking at both sides, trying to figure out what was
going on, and hoping to expose this issue in a
way like with maybe some sort of Hollywood production or
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big global event that would just put the science out there.
And I kind of try to tell him in a
gentle way, you want a fair recitation of what we
would consider both sides. The vaccine industry flash government does
not want a fair recitation of both sides. They fear
that the most, and sure enough you'll see how in
the end, after a lot of conversations and efforts on
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his part, he was never able to get someone to
help him. As powerful as he is in Hollywood, make
this documentary or take these actions that he was interested in.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Cheryl Akinson as our guest, the book is follow the science.
Chapter eight is for sale. The s in sale being
a go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, I think that tells a lot. I mean, for
sale tells a lot about how these nonprofits and these
groups that you think, and these doctors that supposedly speak
independently on these issues smacking down people who question things
how they are connected to the vaccine industry financially in
ways that you often don't see or that they may
not disclose.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Chapter nine along came COVID. Well, this was the wake
up call for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, I love this.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I did.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Even though most of this book is not about COVID,
A lot of that's been done. Well, I did attack
a lot of specific things in a couple of chapters
about COVID and I love I'll just read just the
very beginning of this.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Is that all right? Because I love I love At
the beginning of this chapter.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
When President Joe Biden got COVID twice in July of
twenty two, his second and third known COVID infections and
by the way, Michael, he's had another one since I
wrote the book, he became the most public living symbol
of the lapses, confusion and government misinformation, but mark America's
long COVID nightmare. Biden, along with top advisor Fauci, had
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a pfisor doctor Albert Borla, and CDC director doctor Rachelle Olinsky,
had all insisted the vaccines would prevent COVID. By the
end of October twenty two, they counted at least nineteen
shots among them and nine bouts with COVID. So it's
just I mean, this is the way you get into
the debacle and the misinformation that involved COVID, along with
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math tricks that people use to try to make the
truth obscured, how the government miscounted COVID, and how states
miscounted COVID and misclassified infections and so on.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Cheryl Ackison is our guest. The book is followed with Science.
It will be available in a couple of days. More
with her coming up Locking Love. Can You guys, Michael,
we're talking to Cheryl Atkinson, the author of the book
Follow the Science. She's an investigativejournalist with unassailable ethics and
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a fearless pursuit of the truth, which has cost her
professionally and personally. And it gets really dark what has
been done to her over the years, and yet she
just keeps on fighting. Chapter ten of the book, which
I hope you will buy and more importantly read and share,
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is called following the Money with COVID Treatments.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
What's that about?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well, I dig into the facts about hydroxychloroquin and ivermectin
which were controversialized and most people may think it was
proven that those things don't work, or one or the
other doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Not true.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
We look at the hard data and the money interests
behind pushing other treatments over these treatments which stood to
make really virtually no money for anybody because they've turned generic.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
And re available.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
So I'm digging into that with hard data and also
talking to some of the independent researchers who are looking
in to these drugs and having much success with them
until the government stuck its nose into things.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Chapter eleven CDC the centers for data concoction. Well, when
we can't trust the experts, this is where it gets disturbing,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I mean, to this day, the most stunning thing is
nobody's been held accountable. There's no doubt they pushed out
intentional misinformation as well as potentially unintentional misinformation. And the
only thing that's happened in terms of oversight is hearings
where nothing came of them, and the government has given
them Congress more money, budget increases every year. So I
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think that's scary. We talk here about all the mistakes
they made, even a list of the statistical errors that
they made to make COVID seem more dangerous, particularly in children,
than it was as they were trying to pump up
the vaccine that was about to be approved for children.
I mean, they were exaggerating risks through data mistakes, in
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some cases by hundreds or thousands of times. There's no
excuse for this in our supposed top based scientific health agency.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So true.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Chapter twelve, and this is one of those that I
think will blow people's minds, and they some people don't
want to know it. It's too scary. COVID origins.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
You know. My book editor said that too, and so
did the lawyer who reviewed the books.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
She said, I didn't know this, so.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'm glad I put it in there because this has
all been knowledge I've published and had for quite some time.
But clearly not everybody seesan knows this. The COVID oranges
origins are well established and have long been well established
to have come from ani man manipulated virus. The government
knew that within the early months of us learning about
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COVID and came from Wuhan, China, no doubt about that.
In the minds of the people that have looked at
this inside the government, at the places where they don't
speak publicly of it, because one of them told me
for fear of appearing to contradict doctor Fauci. I also
follow the money and draw the lines between the government
grants that Fauci and other government agencies, not just his
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gay for this controversial research with the Communist Chinese, where
we know that every bit of research they do has
a civilian application but also a military application. That's how
it works. It's just outrageous, according to scientists I interview,
that we ever cut a deal with China on these things.
And basically we make the case showing the grants that
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occurred that we did fund so called gain of function research,
that doctor Fauci and others were directly linked, so that
as they were debunking or trying to debunk the ties
with the COVID lab that we funded, they were not
disclosing their own personal interest in it, and they were
working behind the scenes, as you'll see, to put out
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scientific literature and all kinds of propaganda that deflected in
a different direction without disclosing their own conflict of interest.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Chapter thirteen, The Amish approach, well.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Maybe one of my favorite chapters, how the Amish ignored
all the CDC recommendations and fared no worse. In fact,
most would argue they fared better than the rest of
the country in terms of the toll taken by COVID
and made more money as a society than they ever
had because they stayed open. And as a little addendum,
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a study was put out fatterly funded. After I did
a story on this, visiting the Omish in Pennsylvania and
showing this, a study was put out that I believe
was designed to debunk or disparage the notion that the
amish did well. I challenged the study. There were so
many flaws with it. Government would not turn over the
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notes to say who was behind it and what the
communication said. But a year later, and in fact this
is after the book was published, I just got this
information a couple of days ago. The journal that published
that bad study trying to claim the homage didn't benefit
based on my challenge, has issued a bunch of corrections
to that article that maybe people won't see. But I'm
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glad that you know. It took a year that I
forced corrections in the article. What I'd really love to
know in this study. What I really love to know
is who's behind it, because I suspect the government uses
our taxpayer money to fund studies as propaganda and often
sends it to private universities like Columbia that then say
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they're not subject to FOYA even though we paid for
the study, and we can't see who is really behind
the propaganda of the study that has flaws and problems
with it.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Teaching to the choir Chapter fourteen, Medicine on the take, Well,
that's how.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I talk about the merk manuals that the med school
students learn from. But I also go into the continuing
medical education classes that professional doctors once they enter the field.
They're also taught the pharmaceutical industry in ways that they
don't question. They go to these classes or they tune
in online to take these mandatory classes to keep their licenses,
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and they're taught by doctors who give their academic affiliations
and professional affiliations and usually don't announce. They're all connected
to the drug companies and the vaccine makers, and they
give information that is either incomplete or hopelessly slanted. So
I have evidence of proof of that in this chapter.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
The next chapter is chapter fifteen, New Warning Signs.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
This looks ahead at some reporting I'm doing on long COVID,
ongoing COVID injuries and long VACS vaccine injuries, even if
you weren't injured at the time by the vaccine the
spike protein. These independent researchers say that COVID gives you
or that is made by the vaccine is turning to
be problematic probably for three quarters of the people they
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know of so far who've had COVID or a vaccine,
which is pretty much everybody. And it's pretty scary, I guess,
as in the good news is these independent doctors are
figuring out ways to treat it. Unfortunately, if you go
to your regular doctor, as so many people that I've
interviewed have with these weird maladies, they don't know what
to look for. The test they do won't show up
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these problems because they don't know what to look for,
and they're not getting educated, and they'll tell you either
nothing's wrong with you, or maybe you have MS. A
lot of these people are being told that this stuff
can be treated and fixed, and some doctors are working
to do that and are teaching other doctors. So that's
the good news, but it's something that everybody's going to
be grappling with.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
My brother and otherwise very healthy fifty four year old
police officer died shortly after taking the COVID quote unquote vaccine,
as did a number of police officers they were given
the Johnson and Johnson. He was required to take it
and didn't want to and died And they can't figure
out why. And I am furious about it, as you
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might imagine. I know we're out of time. My dear
Cheryl Atkinson follow the science by the book Folks, How
Big Pharma Misleads obscures and prevails.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Always a pleasure. Thank you for doing what you do.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Say thanks Michael so much. Take care,
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Several years ago, Cheryl Atkinson hew It at the time,
was at CBS, started reviewing things about what was going
on in the government, and then crazy things started happening
to her and she wrote a book about it, and
in fact, we invited her to Houston.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
She came out to the RCC.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Listeners came out and bought her book, loved it, and
we have watched her grow from being an award winning
reporter for CBS to deciding I'm not going to play
the game of the mainstream media. I'm not going to
be afraid of big Pharma, going to be afraid of
big government. And she is fearless, which, as you folks know,
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is the ultimate compliment I give someone. She is back
with a new book and it is an honor to
have her on. I am an unabashed, unashamed fanboy. I
think she is the BEA's knees. She is wonderful. The
book is called Follow the Science, How Big Pharma Misleads,
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obscures and Prevails. Our guest is Sheryl Exison. Welcome to
the program, Lunch Talk.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I still remember, so finally our time there with that
first book. I mean, it was really a huge plus
for the launch of that and helped make it a
big success. I still thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I really think it was the one thing that made
it a success and really launched your career.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I think it kind of was.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
It was we went on the New York Times bestseller
list right after that.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I noticed the back of your book has praise from
Michael Schellenberger, Megan Kelly, who I Doore, Jason Chaffitz, Paul Thacker,
and Jay Battacheria.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
But there's no Michael Berry on there. I'm not mad.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I would love to have had a blurb from Michael Barry.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I know what only you can say, Michael Barry, thanks
to the World of View. And this is a great
book and I highly recommend it from here on now.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, so let's talk about the book, because you are
hardcore into details and facts, and that's what I like
about you.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You go where the facts lead you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
How big pharma misleads, obscures and prevails. How do they
do that? And toward what end? And who helps them
do it? The floor is yours.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
What I think?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
What's so important is the people listening understand that we've
never spent more money on insurance and pills and doctors
and medicine and healthcare, but we're growing sicker and sicker
as a society. And our doctors, Michael, they seem like
they don't notice. They pretend it's not happening, and we
all know it's happening. So what I outline in the book,
with not just anecdotes but hard data, is this conflicted relationship,
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this collusion between big pharma, media, politicians, and the added
element of the medical establishment, your doctors included, who either
by ignorance or by wilfulness, are playing along with the
agenda that big pharma sets and it's resulting in making
it sicker.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Let's talk about that medical establishment, because my doctor, doctor
Mary Tally Boden in Houston, was shut down by a
major and reputable hospital system here in Texas, and they
went so far as to go after her medical license
and anybody else. She spent millions of dollars. She's fought them,
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she's been trash, she's been called every name in the book,
and as a result, she's become a folk hero because
she fought back and like you, she's fearless, but talk
a little bit about how big pharma uses government, media
and the medical establishment, how they how they maintain pain
this discipline, because I think that's what's important, is it's
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top down and the way they do it, the way
they use the dollars to do it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well. People probably already know something of the fact that
big Farmer has brought out both political parties through campaign contributions.
So even though there are well meaning members of Congress
to be sure, they are dictated largely by the rules
of the party and the policies that the party wants,
and the parties take a lot of money from big pharmers,
so they're holding hearings or not holding hearings, and making
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decisions on oversight based on what's good for the companies
donating to them, not what's good for us. So let's
accept that we also know how much money they give
to media companies through advertising. So they've learned how to
kind of buy their way into control of what we report.
Because now we self censor. It doesn't even mean they
have to step in so often anymore and stop news reporting.
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We know as an industry where our bread is buttered.
But the new component. I think that we explore all
of that in the book, but I think a lot
of people don't know. It starts in med school, Michael,
that most stocks, there's the most popular reference or textbook
that they learn from is called the Merk Manuals. As in, Mark,
the pharmaceutical company, writes the textbook for the doctors. And
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as I dug in, you know, Pinky promises that their
editorial division is firewalled from the writing division, the textbook
writing division. But I think that's ridiculous. I mean, of course,
the people writing the textbook understand who pays their checks,
you know, and who's calling the shots. But I dug
in to see exactly what these textbooks are teaching our
doctors about medicine, and this gives I think terrific insight
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into how our doctors are focused. For example, I found
so many omissions of information in fact, but I also
found tons of false information. By that, I mean, I'm like, oh,
what did the Mark Manuals say about the controversial Merk
HPV gardasil vaccine that's had so many problems?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I look it up.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
It literally says there are no side effects reported, and
yet if you look at the label the FDA approved
label for the very same vaccine. There and dozens of
serious side effects listed, everything from paralysis and nerve just
I mean, just everything bad. But here doctors are being
taught there are no side effects. How do they get
away with it? I don't know, but I think pushing
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doctors towards this type of information and excluding so much
is why when they practice they think there's no side effects.
They're not even doing independent thinking on their own. They
just brush all this stuff off that starts in med school.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You know, Cheryl, I have told doctor Mary Tellyboten this
in Houston. Sometimes, knowing what you now know, sometimes I
wish I didn't know these things.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It is so overpowering, it is final, so oppressive to
my mind.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
We have to know because we cannot be children or ostriches.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
But it really it burdens me.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It troubles me deep in my soul that there are
people wearing a white lab coat who are prescribing drugs
and beloved by patients, that are selling out so willfully.
It just it gives me just such an awful feeling.
Do you bear this burden? I mean, do you take
it home with you? How do you deal with I'm
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very serious.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I absolutely do. But I guess that's what makes me
a writer at my heart, because I feel better when
I write it. And when I write a book or
an article or I do a story for my TV show,
I feel better, you know. I just think, at least
I'm putting a resource out there, hard to find information
that people can find. I interviewed Mary Tally Boden. I
know exactly what you're talking about. I put on my
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TV show her and a bunch of other doctors who
were the first to stand up and refuse the mandatory
vaccinations at the first hospital that went along which trying
to force these on doctors. I mean, this is incredible stuff,
Like you're talking about the doctors that were so sheepish
when it was their time to stand up and do
what's right, and it shouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Been so hard.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
On the plus side, Michael, I will say, there is
a coalition of independent, thinking, smart, reputable doctors who were
in the mainstream, but COVID forced them out when they
saw this ridiculous stuff happening, like doctor Mary Kelly Boden.
And there's a formidable force of these people that have
become They never saw themselves as activists, but they're really
trying to change the system and developing independent methods and
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organizations and even research so we can get to the
heart of some of our chronic health problems in this country,
so we can break free of this medical establishment juggernaut
that's been set.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
In my opinion, goes a little cuckoo on some of
the environmental issues, but on health related issues, he has
really been a leader on this issue. One moment, our
guest to Cheryl Akison, will continue our conversation with her.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The book is Follow the Science. More coming up you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Got Michael Berry's award winning reporter, New York Times bestselling author, Fearless, Fearless,
Provider of the Truth.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Cheryl Akison is our guest.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Her new book will hit bookstands in just a few days.
It's called Follow the Science. How Big Pharma misleads, obscures
and prevails.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
How much of what Robert F. Kennedy, Junr.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Has been preaching, particularly on health. One of the quotes
he had I thought was so good. There's nothing as
profitable as a sick child, suggesting that that big pharma
and big medicine are sickening our children so they can
make money off of them, which is disturbing.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But I don't know that it's untrue your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I don't think there's another lead political figure of our
time that understands what we're talking about better and expresses
it better. And that's partly because I don't know if
people know. He's a lawyer who is litigated against the
government on some corrupt and health related and vaccine related
issues and one, and he understands inside out what goes
on at the Department of Justice as they blindly defend
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vaccine injuries at any cost, even when they're settling behind
the scenes and admitting they cause autism, but they're publicly
meaning the government saying that's not true. He knows all
this stuff, and that makes him uniquely dangerous, he said
to me in an interview, which I thought, boy, I
hope he has a food taster, he said, if he
were to get too elected as president at the time
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running for president, but even if he gets an important
position under Trump and Trump is elected, he says, I
know the names of the people to fire at CDC.
I know if I walk into the headquarters in Atlanta,
who needs to go and where the corruption is, and
I believe that's true. And again that makes him uniquely
dangerous to the establishment, not just medical establishment, but at large,
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the same people that fear a Donald Trump who comes
in and shakes things up when it comes to the
established ways within our political system.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
That's a pretty ringing endorsement. I want to go through
the chapters of the book and just have you talk
for a moment about what we will learn from that.
The book is called Follow the Science, How Big Pharma Misleads,
Obscures and Prevails by Cheryl Atkinson, Chapter one, Down the
Rabbit Hole.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Well, I wanted people to come along with me because
they may thank Cheryl's just skeptical and she's broken stories
and learned the stuff because she's just a skeptical person.
But I wanted people to understand I wasn't on these issues.
My brother's a doctor, my dad's a doctor. I used
to think, like a lot of people, probably doctors always
acting your best interests. The government would never lie, doctors
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would never lie, YadA YadA. So I'm taking people along
with selected anecdotes and facts to show them how I
arrived to the point where I could break big You
know corruption stories on the health ven you and it
started nine to eleven, and you know, I won't tell
too long a story, but basically I covered the revival
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of the smallpox vaccination program, which was very short lived
because of the vaccine side effects, which included sounds, familiar,
blood cloths, beat gained, thrombosis, heart inflammation, myocarditis. I didn't
know vaccines could cause any of this stuff, and that
was not controversial back then that the big giant propaganda
machine hadn't started working on the news media yet we're
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all reporting this stuff. But that's sort of how my
entree into this world, which one scientist called one government
scientist is called the third rail.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You know, it really is ryl. It's one of those
things that it's a burden to be informed, it really is.
It's a burden that people have to bear to save
our country, but it's easier.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
That's why people remain low information voters.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
That's why they into that's why they focus on sports
or Kim Kardashian rather than what's going on in this
country because it's tough. Accidental enlightenment. Chapter two of your book.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, these are where I'm talking about things I didn't
intend to discover. When I was covering for CBS News
investigating medical stories and assigned to cover dangerous drugs and
again selected anecdotes and stories from behind the scenes, how
I came to understand, with provable facts, how the pharmaceutical
industry was misleading, skewing studies, putting out false information, and
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how the media began to go along with it. Through
this relationship we mentioned a bit ago, with there's so
many financial ties between the two. We started to see
that the press would no longer cover these stories, which
are very popular in the early nineties, but it came
to a point where the pharmaceutical industry had more say so,
and we stopped seeing the good oversight stories.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes, number three Chapter three mind games.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Well, I look at a specific example of probably the
most controversial drug approval ever by the FDA, and that
was recent ad you Can You MAB, which was promised
hopefully to cure a slow Alzheimer's. Most experts say it
doesn't and it has side effects. But it's a tortured
tale of how the studies on this drug were stopped
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midstream because even the drug company had to acknowledge it's
called a futility, finding that the studies were futile. They
weren't going to come out to anything positive. Long story short,
you'll see how the FDA approved the drug anyway over
the objection of all of its advisors. Not one said
this drug should be approved super expensive, They worried about
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it safety, they said it wasn't effective or there was
no proof, and the FDA put this on the market anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, I'll let you talk of the frog professor.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Chapter four.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
This highlights the story of a Berkeley African American professor
twenty years ago working for a chemical company who found
out that atrazine, a chemical that's ubiquitous in our drinking
water for all of us, used on a lot of
corn crops and other stuff, how it was turning boy
frogs into girl frogs, and since then studies have confirmed
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that it affects all animals to some degree. Although the
government will say there's not enough of it that we're
getting to worry about, but he insists that's wrong and
that it could be playing a role in the transgender
feelings that so many Americans say they have today. They're
getting these chemical indocrine and hormone disruptors as part of
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their diet, their water, and their food, other chemicals too.
This chapter tells how the chemical company, once their hired
researcher found this information, how they tried to smear and
destroy him so that the information would not get out
or would not be believed.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You know, I'm going to interrupt for a moment.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You hear things, there has to be a defense by
big pharma, bout big medicine, by politicians, by the media.
And so what they say is, do you hear yourself?
You're talking about making frogs from boys and the girl?
You sound crazy. And for people who won't do the
research and who naively willfully believe what they're told, you
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do sound kind of crazy. And that's the part that
upsets me is the more I learn, the more I realize,
Dear God, if I share this, I sound crazy, But
that doesn't make it any less true.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, and I think what my editor said was so
good about the book is he says, people hear some
of this and have that reaction like really, And then
he says the goods are there because the data and
the proof is in the book as well. And then
he says, so you turn the page and you go, oh,
my God, this is real. I mean, there's no doubt
that what I just told you about the frogs, there's
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no disputing that. The only dispute is the chemical company
and the government want to say the exposure you get
on a daily basis hopefully would not be too dangerous
to you, but they don't counter that. The studies, one
hundreds of studies now show this and various animals. So yeah,
I think people this stuff does sound crazy in some respects,
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and it did to me too, And that's what the
book I think helps take It helps take you along
of that journey where you see how reasonable and how
science based this information is.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I admire Chryl Atkinson and apply to her the title
that very few people actually deserve, but many people use.
She is an old fashioned, traditional pure journalist. She goes
and finds things, She researches, She looks for every angle
of every side, and then she shares it. She does
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the heavy lifting, so we don't have to. That is
our guest, Cheryl Akison. We will continue our conversation with her.
The book is called Follow the Science, How Big Pharma
Misleads Obscures. Here's the part that gets you and prevails.
How big pharma misleads, obscures, and prevails.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Cheryl Akinson follow the science more coming up. This is me,
Michael berry Ship.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Well, like you say, this stuff that's had, it's so
unbelievable to me. But as I started to understand the
science behind it, these are things that open my eyes.
One of them, I would say, is viagra causing blindness.
I booked that story internationally some years ago at CBS one.
Other journalists didn't care. It was nothing more than a
laugh to them. When a small article came up on
the wire services and I talked about how the people
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who uncover these side effects that the government should be uncovering,
the drug companies should be telling us about like blindness
with the erectile dysfunction drugs. They're not coming up with
it because then I'll looking for whatever reason, the doctors
who are prescribing it aren't asking. So this tells how
this was discovered by me and also by independent doctors
who are treating it as it happens these problems. Not
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the urologists that should have been looking for this, but
an eye doctor noticed these patterns, so I thought that
was fascinating. I talk about the tricks that FDA scientists
say the drug companies use to hide adverse events in
their studies that they submit to being approved, so that
these things won't show up until it's too late. I
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talk about how the medical journals that your doctor and
my doctor rely upon, how they are compromised according to
the journal editors themselves, who you will see quoted, who
say much or most of the studies in these medical
journals today are not to be believed because they've been
so co opted by the pharmaceutical industry. So that's just
a few.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
A third rail, some of you may have heard that
reference is an additional electric current, usually used in things
like electric railroad systems.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
It is something not to be touched. It is dangerous.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It is also a metaphor for topics that are not
to be mentioned because they are too upsetting, too disturbing.
Chapter six of the book Follow the Science, How Big
Pharma misleads, obscures, and prevails. Chapter six is the third
rail vaccines. What are those violate the third rail rules?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Cheryl?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
This is one of the most fascinating I think chapters.
I have snippets among so many things that I learned
about vaccines after the smallpox vaccine story I told you
about when one of the researchers said, oh, I'm not
touching childhood vaccines. That's the third rail. I didn't even
know what third rail meant. I had to look all
that up, started digging and finding pere of you published
research that link childhood vaccines to autism. Even though people
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would and maybe may still say that doesn't exist, it's
not true that it doesn't exist. There's tons of sides
out there, and I started discovering more and more. I
read for a year before I reported on it, because
what you hear in the news is so contrary to
what I was learning. It was just shocking. But there's
lists here. I'll just give you one. The government's lead expert,
doctor ANDREWS. Zimmerman. And boy, the industry hates when I
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say this. They keep digging this up and trying to controversialize.
They don't say it's not true, they just try to
pick it apart. The government's lead expert witness as the
government defends vaccine companies on vaccine injuries. The lead witness
saying vaccines weren't causing autism at the time is a
famous neurologist, doctor Andrew Zimmerman who changed his mind and
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came to learn that vaccines can cause autism after all.
That's like the murder is the best friend admitting his
buddy committed the crime. He tells, and he's sworn this
in an affidavit that hasn't gotten much attention.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
That Robert F.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Kennedy, Junior god is a lawyer that I reported on
a couple of years ago. He swore in an affidavit
that when he told the government the truth, the government
fired him as an expert witness. The Department of Justice
continue to defend the vaccine companies in the autism cases
and misrepresented doctor Zimmerman's opinion, telling the court wrongly. That
doctor Zimmerman has said this link isn't possible. All this
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is in a sworn aff a day that years later
nobody's been held accountable. That's just one of many things
listed in this chapter that will help you understand the
science behind the third Rail.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Chapter seven of the book Follow the Science by Cheryl
Patkinson is de Niro and me, Well, this is I.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Got an interesting phone call years ago from Robert de Niro,
actually from his wife, and then he got on the phone.
They have a likely vaccine injured child who's now in
his teens, maybe he's in his twenties now. And d
NIO's wife at the time, remember she says the vaccine
injury happening to the child, and really started to want
to dig into it. As documentary started to get made
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and this began to be more talked about. Around the
twenty sixteen time period, de Niro tried to screen an
important factual documentary at his triedbeca film festival and he.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Got Max down.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean, there were pharmaceutical sponsors. I suspect that the
pharmaceutical sponsors were behind getting this taken out of the festival.
But he called me almost every day for a long time,
being really a scientific researcher on this topic, leading up
looking at both sides, trying to figure out what was
going on, and hoping to expose this issue in a
way like with maybe some sort of Hollywood production or
(23:23):
big global event that would just put the science out there.
And I kind of try to tell him in a
gentle way, you want a fair recitation of what we
would consider both sides. The vaccine industry flash government does
not want a fair recitation of both sides. They fear
that the most, and sure enough you'll see how in
the end, after a lot of conversations and efforts on
(23:43):
his part, he was never able to get someone to
help him. As powerful as he is in Hollywood, make
this documentary or take these actions that he was interested in.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Cheryl Akinson as our guest, the book is follow the science.
Chapter eight is for sale. The s in sale being
a go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, I think that tells a lot. I mean, for
sale tells a lot about how these nonprofits and these
groups that you think, and these doctors that supposedly speak
independently on these issues smacking down people who question things
how they are connected to the vaccine industry financially in
ways that you often don't see or that they may
not disclose.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Chapter nine along came COVID. Well, this was the wake
up call for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, I love this.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I did.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Even though most of this book is not about COVID,
A lot of that's been done. Well, I did attack
a lot of specific things in a couple of chapters
about COVID and I love I'll just read just the
very beginning of this.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Is that all right? Because I love I love At
the beginning of this chapter.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
When President Joe Biden got COVID twice in July of
twenty two, his second and third known COVID infections and
by the way, Michael, he's had another one since I
wrote the book, he became the most public living symbol
of the lapses, confusion and government misinformation, but mark America's
long COVID nightmare. Biden, along with top advisor Fauci, had
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a pfisor doctor Albert Borla, and CDC director doctor Rachelle Olinsky,
had all insisted the vaccines would prevent COVID. By the
end of October twenty two, they counted at least nineteen
shots among them and nine bouts with COVID. So it's
just I mean, this is the way you get into
the debacle and the misinformation that involved COVID, along with
(25:30):
math tricks that people use to try to make the
truth obscured, how the government miscounted COVID, and how states
miscounted COVID and misclassified infections and so on.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Cheryl Ackison is our guest. The book is followed with Science.
It will be available in a couple of days. More
with her coming up Locking Love. Can You guys, Michael,
we're talking to Cheryl Atkinson, the author of the book
Follow the Science. She's an investigativejournalist with unassailable ethics and
(26:03):
a fearless pursuit of the truth, which has cost her
professionally and personally. And it gets really dark what has
been done to her over the years, and yet she
just keeps on fighting. Chapter ten of the book, which
I hope you will buy and more importantly read and share,
(26:24):
is called following the Money with COVID Treatments.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
What's that about?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well, I dig into the facts about hydroxychloroquin and ivermectin
which were controversialized and most people may think it was
proven that those things don't work, or one or the
other doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Not true.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
We look at the hard data and the money interests
behind pushing other treatments over these treatments which stood to
make really virtually no money for anybody because they've turned generic.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
And re available.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
So I'm digging into that with hard data and also
talking to some of the independent researchers who are looking
in to these drugs and having much success with them
until the government stuck its nose into things.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Chapter eleven CDC the centers for data concoction. Well, when
we can't trust the experts, this is where it gets disturbing,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I mean, to this day, the most stunning thing is
nobody's been held accountable. There's no doubt they pushed out
intentional misinformation as well as potentially unintentional misinformation. And the
only thing that's happened in terms of oversight is hearings
where nothing came of them, and the government has given
them Congress more money, budget increases every year. So I
(27:38):
think that's scary. We talk here about all the mistakes
they made, even a list of the statistical errors that
they made to make COVID seem more dangerous, particularly in children,
than it was as they were trying to pump up
the vaccine that was about to be approved for children.
I mean, they were exaggerating risks through data mistakes, in
(28:00):
some cases by hundreds or thousands of times. There's no
excuse for this in our supposed top based scientific health agency.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So true.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Chapter twelve, and this is one of those that I
think will blow people's minds, and they some people don't
want to know it. It's too scary. COVID origins.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
You know. My book editor said that too, and so
did the lawyer who reviewed the books.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
She said, I didn't know this, so.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'm glad I put it in there because this has
all been knowledge I've published and had for quite some time.
But clearly not everybody seesan knows this. The COVID oranges
origins are well established and have long been well established
to have come from ani man manipulated virus. The government
knew that within the early months of us learning about
(28:49):
COVID and came from Wuhan, China, no doubt about that.
In the minds of the people that have looked at
this inside the government, at the places where they don't
speak publicly of it, because one of them told me
for fear of appearing to contradict doctor Fauci. I also
follow the money and draw the lines between the government
grants that Fauci and other government agencies, not just his
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gay for this controversial research with the Communist Chinese, where
we know that every bit of research they do has
a civilian application but also a military application. That's how
it works. It's just outrageous, according to scientists I interview,
that we ever cut a deal with China on these things.
And basically we make the case showing the grants that
(29:34):
occurred that we did fund so called gain of function research,
that doctor Fauci and others were directly linked, so that
as they were debunking or trying to debunk the ties
with the COVID lab that we funded, they were not
disclosing their own personal interest in it, and they were
working behind the scenes, as you'll see, to put out
(29:54):
scientific literature and all kinds of propaganda that deflected in
a different direction without disclosing their own conflict of interest.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Chapter thirteen, The Amish approach, well.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Maybe one of my favorite chapters, how the Amish ignored
all the CDC recommendations and fared no worse. In fact,
most would argue they fared better than the rest of
the country in terms of the toll taken by COVID
and made more money as a society than they ever
had because they stayed open. And as a little addendum,
(30:29):
a study was put out fatterly funded. After I did
a story on this, visiting the Omish in Pennsylvania and
showing this, a study was put out that I believe
was designed to debunk or disparage the notion that the
amish did well. I challenged the study. There were so
many flaws with it. Government would not turn over the
(30:49):
notes to say who was behind it and what the
communication said. But a year later, and in fact this
is after the book was published, I just got this
information a couple of days ago. The journal that published
that bad study trying to claim the homage didn't benefit
based on my challenge, has issued a bunch of corrections
to that article that maybe people won't see. But I'm
(31:11):
glad that you know. It took a year that I
forced corrections in the article. What I'd really love to
know in this study. What I really love to know
is who's behind it, because I suspect the government uses
our taxpayer money to fund studies as propaganda and often
sends it to private universities like Columbia that then say
(31:31):
they're not subject to FOYA even though we paid for
the study, and we can't see who is really behind
the propaganda of the study that has flaws and problems
with it.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Teaching to the choir Chapter fourteen, Medicine on the take, Well,
that's how.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I talk about the merk manuals that the med school
students learn from. But I also go into the continuing
medical education classes that professional doctors once they enter the field.
They're also taught the pharmaceutical industry in ways that they
don't question. They go to these classes or they tune
in online to take these mandatory classes to keep their licenses,
(32:10):
and they're taught by doctors who give their academic affiliations
and professional affiliations and usually don't announce. They're all connected
to the drug companies and the vaccine makers, and they
give information that is either incomplete or hopelessly slanted. So
I have evidence of proof of that in this chapter.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
The next chapter is chapter fifteen, New Warning Signs.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
This looks ahead at some reporting I'm doing on long COVID,
ongoing COVID injuries and long VACS vaccine injuries, even if
you weren't injured at the time by the vaccine the
spike protein. These independent researchers say that COVID gives you
or that is made by the vaccine is turning to
be problematic probably for three quarters of the people they
(33:01):
know of so far who've had COVID or a vaccine,
which is pretty much everybody. And it's pretty scary, I guess,
as in the good news is these independent doctors are
figuring out ways to treat it. Unfortunately, if you go
to your regular doctor, as so many people that I've
interviewed have with these weird maladies, they don't know what
to look for. The test they do won't show up
(33:23):
these problems because they don't know what to look for,
and they're not getting educated, and they'll tell you either
nothing's wrong with you, or maybe you have MS. A
lot of these people are being told that this stuff
can be treated and fixed, and some doctors are working
to do that and are teaching other doctors. So that's
the good news, but it's something that everybody's going to
be grappling with.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
My brother and otherwise very healthy fifty four year old
police officer died shortly after taking the COVID quote unquote vaccine,
as did a number of police officers they were given
the Johnson and Johnson. He was required to take it
and didn't want to and died And they can't figure
out why. And I am furious about it, as you
(34:08):
might imagine. I know we're out of time. My dear
Cheryl Atkinson follow the science by the book Folks, How
Big Pharma Misleads obscures and prevails.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Always a pleasure. Thank you for doing what you do.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Say thanks Michael so much. Take care,
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