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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time time time, time, Luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air. We know that
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PTSD is bad, really bad. Over twenty veterans per day take.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Their own life. There are lots of reasons for this.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The VA has a protocol of a bunch of prescription drugs.
I've had veterans tell me they were taking over thirty
pills in a day. That is more problematic than you
can imagine, for the number of reasons, including that each
of them has side effects, so some of those pills
are to deal with the side effects of this, to
deal with the side effects of that, it's wrecking your
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liver trying to process all of this. It becomes untenable,
and some of them simply give up take their own life.
I am open to medical treatments for everything, you know.
I have a friend who had debilitating cancer. He was
given six months to live. He they basically wanted to
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put him into a care that was a pre hospice to.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Go home and die.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
He's too young for that, see, in his thirties, he's
a wife and two young kids. So he began desperately
floundering around for something. Came across a treatment in Mexico,
started going down there getting treatment for this. His tumors
reduced in size. He came back to the cancer hospital
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here and he said they were disappointed when they told
him his cancers had reduced. They didn't want that alternate
treatment to succeed. Look, there's a lot of e coal salesman,
there's a lot of elixers, like in the outlowd Josie
Wales for whatever ails you.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That are scams.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
There are some needs to have some level of proof
of concept before you thrust things on people. But there
is no doubt in my mind that the American people
are being denied the opportunity to try treatments, some of
which may work that other countries are offering and you
have to go there to try them, and that shouldn't
be the case. We should be the cutting edge.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So this is.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer in Austin before the
state legislature, testifying about the benefits of psychedelics to treating
PTSD as the House votes overwhelmingly to pass a bill
that would fund a grant program or research in medical trials.
We're not going to play you, him speaking before the House.
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We're going to play you him three years ago on
Joe Rogan's show, talking about going to Mexico to treat
his PTSD with something called Iba game.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
They used to call it shell shock. Yeah, I mean
that's what they used to call it before it was PTST.
But troops were coming back from Vietnam. They called them
shell shocked.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And I think, I mean, I think that was me
for a long time. Yeah, sure, that mean that was
me for a long time. Like, did you get counseling
for that?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Did you?
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Like?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
How did you I went to Mexico?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
What was in Mexico?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I went down and I did iber game? Oh did
we talk about that the first time you were on
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I think I did it afterwards?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Oh really interesting? But yeah, I know I went to
How was that? I gave me my life back? I mean,
it gave me my life back. Like I went down
and I just got to the end, and I talked
about in this book. You know, I was going through
my divorce. I gosh, I did you talk about not
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knowing what was next? I mean literally, you know, just gosh.
I was just I was melting down, just melting down
from the inside. And and finally, like one of my
friends looked at me and it's like he's like, hey,
I just went and did this. This is the date
you're going you need to go do this. And it
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was at that point, like, you know, I grew up
in Kentucky, and I mean I grew up with weed as.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Bad, right, I mean all this, right, you know what
I mean. And and for me, it was.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Just such a It was just such a to think
that I was going to go do psychedelics. Right, It
was just like such a like it was like a
moral thing for me, right, I mean it was a
moral moral dilemma, dilemma, yeah, And but I mean it
was all I had left and I knew that for
my daughter's I need to do something.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
State of Texas, according to the Census, has one point
four million veterans. Recent studies suggest between thirty three and
forty four veterans commit suicide every day in the United States.
Representative Cody Harris said, ibagain isn't just another drug.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's a whisper of redemption.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
In a single dose, it can silence the screams of withdrawal,
quiet the cravings that chain people to addiction, and mend
the broken pieces of a mind.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Ravaged by trauma.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It has been described as a by Dakota Meyer as
a hard reset.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't know if it works.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I don't know how it works, but I do know
that I am very open and eager for us to
try things that might help people who we send off
to war and others, by the way, who are suffering
to that end. Brian Hubbard is our guest. Welcome to
the program.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Brian, Thank you very much for the opportunity to spend
time with you and your audience and sert.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
What is your involvement with ibagain start there?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Well. I am a former appointed leader in Kentucky State government.
I had the opportunity to run the state Social Security,
Disability and CHINN support enforcement systems, as well as a
law enforcement agency called the Office of Medicaid Fraud and
Abuse Control that investigates and consecutes medical providers to fraud
on that system. The last role I held that Kentucky
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State government was as the first chairman and executive director
of the Kentucky Opioid Commission, which had its responsibility the
administration and omer site of almost one billion dollars in
settlement funds with which to combat an opioid epidemic that
began in the Appalachian Mountains of East Kentucky's southern West
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Virginia and the Port of Virginia that I grew up
here in the far southwestern corner of that state. Within
the role of Chairman of the Opioid Commission, I said,
our very first responsibility is to look for Kentucky's Manhattan
Project opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid dependent individuals.
Despite best intentions and the deployment of billions of dollars
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in public money, our existing treatment options are delivering unacceptedly
mediocre results. Now we must do better. So from that position,
I started looking everywhere I could for what that opportunity
may be, And on July the twenty ninth of twenty
twenty two, I heard the word I have again for
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the very first time. And after eight months of intensive,
due diligence, research and critical examination that consisted of a
second full time off the books job performed over those months,
I came to the conclusion that I be again had
three powerful attributes. One is that it essentially resolves physiological
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substance dependence for opioids, for alcohol, cocaine, handful mess since
for place, there are no effective medical treatments to deal
with ritual in an accelerated time frame, and by that
I mean within thirty six to forty eight hours of
in the National Administration for eighty percent of people who
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get it.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Brian, hold with me for just a moment. I had
him pictured as Colonel Sanders. He looks more like Jeremiah
Johnson Roberts Restor as Jeremiah Johnson. We gonna hope them
to a lot younger than genius. Sounds almost too good
to be true, doesn't It a one time shock treatment
of a product called psychedelic called I Begain that resets
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the system and addictions and trauma.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Man, I hope this is true. I really do. I
hope it works. I'm all for it if it works. Absolutely.
I can't know if it works.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I can there are lots of promises of a silver bullet,
but there are also things that work. I really for
the people who would benefit from this, I really hope
it does. Brian Hubbard is our guest. He's executive director
of the American Ibagain Initiative through the R I D Foundation. Brian,
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I had you pictured looking like Colonel Sanders and then
you came off looking like Jeremiah Johnson.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Well, I always enjoyed the opportunity to deliver unexpected surprises.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And how'd you get so hulked up? What's your background?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Well, by way of background, I grew up in the
coal fields of Virginia. I grew up in a working
fast family. I had two beautiful patholes who were grade
school educated coal miners underground for forty years, and they
were the guiding lights in my life. Like many folks
who are under the age fifty and younger, I had
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parents who essentially had a relationship that I recall as
one of a significant amount of con flicked and chaos
and screaming and hollering, And as a frightened young little boy,
my Papa pulled me to the side of when I
visit with them, and they took great interest in me,
and they'd say, look, if y'all knows, you're scared, you're worried,
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you're frightened, But you need to know two things. Pap
y'all loves you. More importantly, God loves you. And God
has a special and unique purpose for your life, no
matter how bad it gets, no matter how dark things are,
or how frightened you become. Don't you ever lose sight
of the fact God is real, God is loved, and
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God's going to take care of you and sir, if
I hadn't had those gentlemen given me that lesson from
the time I could understand language in July, I was
about twelve years old. If I were alive at all,
I certainly wouldn't be speaking with you as I am today.
I would likely be in some dark hole wondering what
somebody who held jobs like I have had was going
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to come to to pull me out of the ditch.
You ask how I'm obtain who I am? I hope
by the end of my days I am half the
man that my grandfathers were, and that is my greatest aspiration.
So whatever virtue is there, I credit to the benevolence
of God in God's intervention in my life through the
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two angels that He gave me by way of grandfathers.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Ran Hubbard.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I first heard about I Begain from Marcus Attrell, and
I've wanted to clarify during the break that he was
okay me telling the story and he did.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I believe a single treatment and he.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Began evangelizing that this was what needed to be done
for veterans.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
What is I Begain and how does it work?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I Begain is an alkaloid. It is psychoactive. That is
derived from three West African plant sources. One is the ebogaru,
which takes about ten years to come into match. It
is the cultural pearl of a West half of Consident
civilization called the Buedis, and the Buedis have used Eboga
in their cultural and religious ceremonies for centuries. In the
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mid sixties, a gentleman by the name of Howard Lotzow
had had a heroin addiction that had nearly taken his
last and he had struggled with it for nine years.
He came into contact with I a game that had
been derived from that Ebogo route, and he had an
experience that lasted about ten to twelve hours, which is
how long I became list and at the end of
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it he no longer wished to have heroin and he
never went back. And that touched off sixty years of
intensive deep dive observation of field City and research to
understand how this works. There are two of the plant
sources from which it comes. One is called the Blo
Conga Africana. It grows quickly, it grows plentifully. It could
grow in the Rio Grand Valley of Texas. It is
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that environmentally suitable for this state. Uniquely, there's a third source,
the name of which I can't recall. But what is
not about ibogain as an individual alkaloid is that it
has the unique ability, as previously mentioned, to resolve physiological
substance dependence. It has recently been discovered that not only
does it interrupt addiction, that it has profound regenerative effects
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on the brain itself. Our veterans, unfortunately, are ground zero
for multiple systems failures within the United States government, federally,
state and local levels. We see this as demonstrated by
the dramatic rise in veteran suicide, the dramatic rise and
substance dependence among veteran populations that are treated with a
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panoclear pharmacology that at bottom essentially anesthetized the soul and
slowly euthanize the body. And as veterans have become desperate
for relief that American systems will not deliver, they have
taken the hell Mary Pass of a trip to Mexico
for an eyebegame treatment and as they have returned in
what are now numbers the thousands and have advised that
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they have felt the best that they can ever recall
feeling in their life. A cohort of thirty were studied
by Stanford University. The results were released in the journal
Nature Medicine on January fifth, twenty twenty four, and those
results were dramatic. Number One, it has been discovered that
i begain essentially resolves traumatic brain injury. And what makes
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this so incredibly significant is there is nothing known within
the medical universe that regenerates the tissue of the brain itself,
not one thing except for ib again. Pre and post
MRI images of the veteran brains revealed that a single
administration of ibagain created a regeneration of the flight matter
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that covered the surface of each of these veteran brains.
Flack matter is the electrical highway across which all of
our faults and impulses travel. Not only was flat matter
regenerated at scale, but the centers of the brain responsible
for emotional regulation and executive functioning grew in size, and
the average reversal of brain age among the cohort of
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thirty was one and a half years, with the top
five veterans in their brains reverse in age by five years.
So what we now know is that not only is
i begain a profound addiction interruptor, but it has the
capacity to regenerate brain tissue in the ways that are
just now beginning to be understood. And if we have
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the opportunity in Texas to pioneer i be gain's pharmaceutical
development through the FDA's process, as champion by House Bill
author Cody Harris and Cenate Bill author Tan Parker, we
are going to pioneer breakthroughs related to the treatment of
conditions that impact the brains for which we have no
effective answers, and these include Parkinson's disease, line disease, multiple sclerosis,
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and perhaps even Alzheimer's. To see, we cannot develop this
medication quickly enough and deploy it in the US medical
system fast enough to satisfy me or anyone else who
is in need of his curative effects. So all eyes
are now on Texas as we look for an opportunity
to allocate fifty million dollars to create a Pleather Habot
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partnership to get this across the line.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Pull with me to Bryan Hubbard. We're discussing IBE gain
in Texas. Ibo g Ai, m E.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Let me see it right. Listen for the dial tone.
It sounds like this the Michael Barry Joe coptone.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Indicates everything is ready for your call.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Thirty one days, Donald Trump will turn seventy nine years old.
Yesterday morning he did a lengthy press conference boarded Air
Force one, landed in Saudi Arabia to multiple meetings, and
he is speaking at the US Saudi Investment Forum.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I would you will be.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Jet lagged, and he hasn't missed a beat and didn't
mention his age. He's twenty five years older than me.
Ran Hubbard is executive director of the IBA Game Foundation.
To be clear, folks, we're not trying to legalize ib game.
We're not trying to get you to take it. We're
not making I'm not making any medical claims. This is
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an attempt to fund and study a potentially life saving drug,
because that's what it turns out to be. Ryan Hubbard,
you've explained a little bit about this drug. Talk to
us about how this let's say this thing is legalized tomorrow.
I know some folks who are investors in this I've
come to find out of late, and they're very excited
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about the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And I'm all for people making money.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
That financial incentive makes money break loose and want to
fund more and do more. But what does this look
like in five years ideally in your mind.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Well, let's begin with the acknowledgment of a very specific
financial reality. The US and healthcare system, as influenced by
the pharmaceutical industry, is currently one which prioritizes the delivery
of treatments of chronosity over treatments that can actually deliver
curative results. And one of the necessities for public funding
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for ib again trials within the FDA's framework is to
medicalize this within the United States. Public money is necessary
because ib again lost its patent as an addiction treatment
back in nineteen ninety two, so there is no big
form of profit incentive to develop it. Because of the
way in which you can resolve opioid and other substance dependencies.
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In five years, what we would hope to have is
a fully medicalized ibagain treatment system or an individual who
has whether it's traumatic brain injury, post traumatic stress, or
substance dependency can come into a clinically controlled medical setting,
spend anywhere from a week to ten days impatient, and
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receive IB again treatment. This is a very serious medication
that does come with certain cardiac risks, and it's important
that this be administered by medical professionals along with cardiac
care nurses who are able to mitigate risk. And that
risk is the prolongation of the time between the beats
of the heart, which if they become too long, can
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lead to cardiac a risk. Now, this particular risk can
be mitigated with the co administration of magnesium, and this
is something that's been known for decades among folks who
know what they're doing with this. When a person takes
what are essentially appeals, and that's how it's currently administered
in the clinics New Mexico, you take appeal and then
you lay down once you begin to fill the effects
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and the effects are usually accompanied by the sounds of
clicking in your ears, and then you kind of feel
a heaviness and you lay down. Because I don't believe
in preaching what I ain't willing to practice, I underwent
the treatment to understand how it works and what the
effect is on the person. For about ten to twelve hours.
You are in a state of semi paralysis. You are
at all times oriented to person, place, and time. This
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is not dissociative. If I were to take I have
again right now, in an hour, I could talk with
you as coherently as I am now, though I likely
could not walk. However, if I close my eyes, I
will likely see visions from my life's history, and I
will see them from a perspective that almost places me
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outside of what my life has been, so that I
am able to process and understand those things that have
happened to me from a vantage point that is new
and one that helps me understand how to reorient my
relationship with myself and my relationship with the world. And
it is through this introspective process that individuals come away
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with what I believe is i the gain's most potent quality,
and that is its ability to affirm the reality of
our human divinity as children of an eternal creator whose
essence is almighty, unconditioned well for each of us. Without
an acknowledgment of the existence and primacy of the human soul,
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there is not any medical treatment that can be delivered
through synthetic pharmacology that can get anyone who is experienced
in despair anywhere close to where they need to be
to become a restored human being. There is the opportunity
to responsibly medicalize the game, which should never be the
subject of legalization or decriminalization efforts, precisely because of the
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cardiac risk that accompanies it. It's a serious medication. It
gives a person the very best new beginning that can
be conferred upon them to rebuild life that has been
devastated by trauma and or trauma and addiction, because at
the heart of those conditions is profound spiritual affliction.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Can you hold there for just a moment. I want
to read something I read and said, the United States
outlawed I began in ibogain in nineteen sixty seven alongside
of other psychedelics. Regulators later deemed it a Schedule one
control substance with no accepted medical use and a high
potential for abuse, in the same class as LSD and heroin. Now,
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I don't know enough about ibogain to know, but I
know that LSD and heroin from my study, are very
different drugs, and that the people typically making these classifications
or fearmongers. I don't think that marijuana should be criminalized,
so we let's start there, at least not for adults.
And I don't want to smoke any in public, but
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that's a different subject. But why do you think it
was it's categorized as this and where do you think
I know you talked a little bit about under what
terms would you hopefully down the road if it passes
the studies and gets blessed that it would be administered.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I know you nswered a little bit of that.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
So let's begin with this classification as a Schedule one
substance opportion to Drove Subdences Act. That was an explicitly reactionary,
politically destructive decision that was made within this broad based
catchment of anything and everything that was deemed counterculture to
the establishment of the time, in particular the Nixon administration
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and it's broad based war on drugs that was in
many ways racially motivated. Our legal system is populated with
what I would describe as a number of fictitious legal
realities that are used to bind, tore, and kill the
truth and Ibergain's classification as a drug or medication that
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has a hypherpensity for abuse no therapeutic value, as a
prime example of one of these fictitious legal realities. For
everything that has a recreational abusive use, there is a
substantial street economy that borders it. We know where opium
comes from, we know where cocaine comes from, we know
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where myth comes from. There are extensive black markets in
the United States that distribute all of these substances through
our society. Most folks have never heard about ibagame because
there is no street economy for I have again, there's
no street economy for ibagame because it is not a
drug of abuse. It is a highly unpleasant and challenging
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physical experience to receive this medication. Its function is explicitly
anti addictive, though unpleasant, and it does not in any
way belong to the schedule.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
One Ron Howard. I yes, abagain coming up.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
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we'll reprint them or rEFInd your money, no matter who's fall.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
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Speaker 5 (25:11):
You have a photo map, your photo matters.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I consider myself a libertarian, that being leave people alone
to make the best decision for themselves. A lot of
people want to make decisions for other people. They want
to deny them opportunities to do this, or that there
are too many fat people. We need a law that
you can't eat sugar. There's too much of this. We
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need to prevent people from doing it. Because I don't
do it, they shouldn't do it. I received a number
of emails during the break, one of which said, your
conversation with the Gentleman regarding IBI gain is dangerous. I
have fifteen years of continuous sobriety. The only all cap
way to get and stay sober law long term is
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by working the twelve steps.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Oh okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Using a drug to get sober is dangerous and doesn't work. However,
by working the twelve steps and going to AA or
NA as well as working with others will guarantee that
you stay sober. I know a lot of people who've
been to AA twenty times or more and it didn't
work for them.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
This isn't just an opinion, it is a fact.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yes, there's always a person who says my way is
the only way, and it's very important that you offer
no alternative path to end up in that same place,
even if on a map it appears to me this
is my path, this is the only path. I won't
let you say there's another path. It's very important to
me that you validate my opinion and my way, because
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this is the only way in the history of mankind
that anything has ever succeeded. And I know that, even
though I really don't even know what I begain is
because I know these things because it worked for me.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yes, people are fascinating. People are fascinating.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Brian Hubbard is executive director of the IBA Game Foundation.
By the way, I'm not trying to get anybody to
do ab a game. I'm scared to death to do it.
This trip you take ten to twelve hours. This does
not sound like it's a faint of heart. My goodness alive.
But I've also watched guys who struggled when they came
back from war blow their brains out. That trip they
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were going through was worse than what this thing's going
to be. And why wouldn't we.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
We will give.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Our our men, our warriors, every ship, every gun, every explosive,
every air cover, everything. We'll spend billions of dollars, hundreds
of billions of dollars to send them to war and
we can't look for ways to help them heal when
they come home when we know they're hurting. It doesn't
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seem right, does it, Ryan Hubbard? Let's wrap up. How
do folks learn more about this? If they would like
to learn.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
More, well, I'll appoint them in a couple of directions.
One is they can go to ibergain Texas dot com
and learn all about the Texas IBAGAT Initiative and its
goal of creating a first of its kind public private
partnership or by the State of Texas will lead this
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country in the development of ibogains breakthrough therapeutic potential to
address veterans suicide, veteran substance dependence, and other mental health
conditions that are brought on by the trauma of war.
Recognizing that veterans or ground zero for the most difficult
afflictions of the human condition, that certainly not the exclusive
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possessors of those conditions. By virtue of the veterans walking
through the door, everyone else who shares in the burdens
of both trauma and addiction will be able to receive
with a successful Texas project, the opportunity to choose this treatment.
Should they show wish and this very you said it beautifully.
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There is no one size fits all in the game
of life. Every person is a unique individual, and the
pathway to recovery from trauma and addiction is as unique
as the person who has experienced it. We are duty
bound to diversify, expand, and improve on therapeutic options within
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the society to people who suffer with any affliction, and
the opportunity Texas has with I'm again is one to
break down the door that has been erected by the
big pharma conglomerates that monetize sustained human misery. To bring
liberation to our sufferers in this life whose next stop
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is the graveyard, but for the intervention effects that an
I have a Game treatment can bring. You may also
go to Rally Texas to express your support for Senate
Bill twenty threeh eight and House Bill thirty seven seventeen
to your elected representatives here in Texas, whether they're your
state representatives, your state senators, your governor, Lieutenant Governor Riley
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Texas dot org. Please go there and express your support
for the passage of this critical legislation. Whose state we
will know by we send.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I will quote my dear friend Marcus Latrell, who went
through the treatment, when he said, trying to abuse I
begain would be like abusing chemo medication. You don't want
should do it. You know, people fear that they don't
want anything to be legal because everybody's going to abuse it.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
The most abused drug in America and has been one
hundred years of alcohol.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
It is so heavily abused that most people don't even
realize that they themselves are quote unquote using it. They
cannot imagine a life without it. They couldn't hold a
party without it, they couldn't have the workers join after
work without it. Some people wake up and can't get
till noon without it. They can't have a lunch without it,
they can't have a nice dinner without it.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It is so heavily abused.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It is such a major part of our economy, and
it is so much a coping technique, which is an
abuse at that at those levels kidney liver desk, heart desk,
the things that. But nobody's out there trying to bring
back prohibition because we recognize so people will say to me, Brian,
they'll say, well, you're right about all that, but we
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can't make alcohol illegal yet, but we can keep all
them others illegal. But you understand that making something illegal
is not necessarily a benefit to society. Well, Brian, let
me wrap up by saying, I don't know the answer.
I've not done the treatment, and doesn't sound like I
want to do it. Marcus is a dear friend of mine.
He's pretty protective, and he knows that my tolerance for
such things as a whole lot less than his, and
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this challenge him. But I am interested in seeking out ways,
whether that be plant based, a psychedelic, or anything else
that can help people, not just veterans, suffering from addiction
and trauma. And you know, the early results of this
are are pretty good, so I look forward to hopefully
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some more good returns on it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Thank you for sharing your time with us, Brian Hubbard.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Thank you very much for your time, mister Barry. It's
been an honor and a privilege to speak with you
in your audience. And let's all hope and pray that
we have a successful campaign here at the end of
the week in Texas.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
For I have again thinker both it is before the
House and the House passed it one six one. It
goes before the Senate now, and I suspect the governor
is going to sign it.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Is it just me?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Or did Brian Hubbard sound a little bit like Walt
Goggins and justified Charlie did? Several people said Charlie Daniels.
But there was a there was a Walk Goggins, you know,
Walk Goggins kind of kind of put on a Kentucky accent.
You know that was hazard counting. I'm not going to
be a member at your party, the your yo ri.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I liked it. I could listen to him talk for
a while.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
It was a little bit walk Goggins, a little bit
Foghorn Leghorn, a little bit Colonel Sanders.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
A whole lot good though.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I like it a lot. He's an interesting cat, that's
for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Hey, look reading the emails, I know there's kind of
a split of opinion. What I would tell you is,
don't be afraid of change, don't be afraid of experimentation.
You know, there's a reason they have test dummies in
the automobile industry. Automobile industry to see what works and
what doesn't. It's okay to try things and fail. It's
okay for us to make mistakes in medicine. It's okay
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to give people options of self treatment and different forms
of treatment. It's okay to explore what God put on
this earth and does it poison us or improve us?
I mean, look, you juice vegetables and you like that.
You just don't know. The point is keep an open mind,
how about that? But not so open that it falls
out Ramont
It's that time time time, time, Luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air. We know that
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PTSD is bad, really bad. Over twenty veterans per day take.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Their own life. There are lots of reasons for this.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The VA has a protocol of a bunch of prescription drugs.
I've had veterans tell me they were taking over thirty
pills in a day. That is more problematic than you
can imagine, for the number of reasons, including that each
of them has side effects, so some of those pills
are to deal with the side effects of this, to
deal with the side effects of that, it's wrecking your
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liver trying to process all of this. It becomes untenable,
and some of them simply give up take their own life.
I am open to medical treatments for everything, you know.
I have a friend who had debilitating cancer. He was
given six months to live. He they basically wanted to
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put him into a care that was a pre hospice to.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Go home and die.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
He's too young for that, see, in his thirties, he's
a wife and two young kids. So he began desperately
floundering around for something. Came across a treatment in Mexico,
started going down there getting treatment for this. His tumors
reduced in size. He came back to the cancer hospital
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here and he said they were disappointed when they told
him his cancers had reduced. They didn't want that alternate
treatment to succeed. Look, there's a lot of e coal salesman,
there's a lot of elixers, like in the outlowd Josie
Wales for whatever ails you.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That are scams.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
There are some needs to have some level of proof
of concept before you thrust things on people. But there
is no doubt in my mind that the American people
are being denied the opportunity to try treatments, some of
which may work that other countries are offering and you
have to go there to try them, and that shouldn't
be the case. We should be the cutting edge.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So this is.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer in Austin before the
state legislature, testifying about the benefits of psychedelics to treating
PTSD as the House votes overwhelmingly to pass a bill
that would fund a grant program or research in medical trials.
We're not going to play you, him speaking before the House.
(02:52):
We're going to play you him three years ago on
Joe Rogan's show, talking about going to Mexico to treat
his PTSD with something called Iba game.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
They used to call it shell shock. Yeah, I mean
that's what they used to call it before it was PTST.
But troops were coming back from Vietnam. They called them
shell shocked.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And I think, I mean, I think that was me
for a long time. Yeah, sure, that mean that was
me for a long time. Like, did you get counseling
for that?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Did you?
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Like?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
How did you I went to Mexico?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
What was in Mexico?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I went down and I did iber game? Oh did
we talk about that the first time you were on
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I think I did it afterwards?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Oh really interesting? But yeah, I know I went to
How was that? I gave me my life back? I mean,
it gave me my life back. Like I went down
and I just got to the end, and I talked
about in this book. You know, I was going through
my divorce. I gosh, I did you talk about not
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knowing what was next? I mean literally, you know, just gosh.
I was just I was melting down, just melting down
from the inside. And and finally, like one of my
friends looked at me and it's like he's like, hey,
I just went and did this. This is the date
you're going you need to go do this. And it
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was at that point, like, you know, I grew up
in Kentucky, and I mean I grew up with weed as.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Bad, right, I mean all this, right, you know what
I mean. And and for me, it was.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Just such a It was just such a to think
that I was going to go do psychedelics. Right, It
was just like such a like it was like a
moral thing for me, right, I mean it was a
moral moral dilemma, dilemma, yeah, And but I mean it
was all I had left and I knew that for
my daughter's I need to do something.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
State of Texas, according to the Census, has one point
four million veterans. Recent studies suggest between thirty three and
forty four veterans commit suicide every day in the United States.
Representative Cody Harris said, ibagain isn't just another drug.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's a whisper of redemption.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
In a single dose, it can silence the screams of withdrawal,
quiet the cravings that chain people to addiction, and mend
the broken pieces of a mind.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Ravaged by trauma.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It has been described as a by Dakota Meyer as
a hard reset.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't know if it works.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I don't know how it works, but I do know
that I am very open and eager for us to
try things that might help people who we send off
to war and others, by the way, who are suffering
to that end. Brian Hubbard is our guest. Welcome to
the program.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Brian, Thank you very much for the opportunity to spend
time with you and your audience and sert.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
What is your involvement with ibagain start there?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Well. I am a former appointed leader in Kentucky State government.
I had the opportunity to run the state Social Security,
Disability and CHINN support enforcement systems, as well as a
law enforcement agency called the Office of Medicaid Fraud and
Abuse Control that investigates and consecutes medical providers to fraud
on that system. The last role I held that Kentucky
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State government was as the first chairman and executive director
of the Kentucky Opioid Commission, which had its responsibility the
administration and omer site of almost one billion dollars in
settlement funds with which to combat an opioid epidemic that
began in the Appalachian Mountains of East Kentucky's southern West
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Virginia and the Port of Virginia that I grew up
here in the far southwestern corner of that state. Within
the role of Chairman of the Opioid Commission, I said,
our very first responsibility is to look for Kentucky's Manhattan
Project opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid dependent individuals.
Despite best intentions and the deployment of billions of dollars
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in public money, our existing treatment options are delivering unacceptedly
mediocre results. Now we must do better. So from that position,
I started looking everywhere I could for what that opportunity
may be, And on July the twenty ninth of twenty
twenty two, I heard the word I have again for
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the very first time. And after eight months of intensive,
due diligence, research and critical examination that consisted of a
second full time off the books job performed over those months,
I came to the conclusion that I be again had
three powerful attributes. One is that it essentially resolves physiological
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substance dependence for opioids, for alcohol, cocaine, handful mess since
for place, there are no effective medical treatments to deal
with ritual in an accelerated time frame, and by that
I mean within thirty six to forty eight hours of
in the National Administration for eighty percent of people who
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get it.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Brian, hold with me for just a moment. I had
him pictured as Colonel Sanders. He looks more like Jeremiah
Johnson Roberts Restor as Jeremiah Johnson. We gonna hope them
to a lot younger than genius. Sounds almost too good
to be true, doesn't It a one time shock treatment
of a product called psychedelic called I Begain that resets
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the system and addictions and trauma.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Man, I hope this is true. I really do. I
hope it works. I'm all for it if it works. Absolutely.
I can't know if it works.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I can there are lots of promises of a silver bullet,
but there are also things that work. I really for
the people who would benefit from this, I really hope
it does. Brian Hubbard is our guest. He's executive director
of the American Ibagain Initiative through the R I D Foundation. Brian,
(09:11):
I had you pictured looking like Colonel Sanders and then
you came off looking like Jeremiah Johnson.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Well, I always enjoyed the opportunity to deliver unexpected surprises.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And how'd you get so hulked up? What's your background?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Well, by way of background, I grew up in the
coal fields of Virginia. I grew up in a working
fast family. I had two beautiful patholes who were grade
school educated coal miners underground for forty years, and they
were the guiding lights in my life. Like many folks
who are under the age fifty and younger, I had
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parents who essentially had a relationship that I recall as
one of a significant amount of con flicked and chaos
and screaming and hollering, And as a frightened young little boy,
my Papa pulled me to the side of when I
visit with them, and they took great interest in me,
and they'd say, look, if y'all knows, you're scared, you're worried,
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you're frightened, But you need to know two things. Pap
y'all loves you. More importantly, God loves you. And God
has a special and unique purpose for your life, no
matter how bad it gets, no matter how dark things are,
or how frightened you become. Don't you ever lose sight
of the fact God is real, God is loved, and
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God's going to take care of you and sir, if
I hadn't had those gentlemen given me that lesson from
the time I could understand language in July, I was
about twelve years old. If I were alive at all,
I certainly wouldn't be speaking with you as I am today.
I would likely be in some dark hole wondering what
somebody who held jobs like I have had was going
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to come to to pull me out of the ditch.
You ask how I'm obtain who I am? I hope
by the end of my days I am half the
man that my grandfathers were, and that is my greatest aspiration.
So whatever virtue is there, I credit to the benevolence
of God in God's intervention in my life through the
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two angels that He gave me by way of grandfathers.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Ran Hubbard.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I first heard about I Begain from Marcus Attrell, and
I've wanted to clarify during the break that he was
okay me telling the story and he did.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I believe a single treatment and he.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Began evangelizing that this was what needed to be done
for veterans.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
What is I Begain and how does it work?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I Begain is an alkaloid. It is psychoactive. That is
derived from three West African plant sources. One is the ebogaru,
which takes about ten years to come into match. It
is the cultural pearl of a West half of Consident
civilization called the Buedis, and the Buedis have used Eboga
in their cultural and religious ceremonies for centuries. In the
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mid sixties, a gentleman by the name of Howard Lotzow
had had a heroin addiction that had nearly taken his
last and he had struggled with it for nine years.
He came into contact with I a game that had
been derived from that Ebogo route, and he had an
experience that lasted about ten to twelve hours, which is
how long I became list and at the end of
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it he no longer wished to have heroin and he
never went back. And that touched off sixty years of
intensive deep dive observation of field City and research to
understand how this works. There are two of the plant
sources from which it comes. One is called the Blo
Conga Africana. It grows quickly, it grows plentifully. It could
grow in the Rio Grand Valley of Texas. It is
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that environmentally suitable for this state. Uniquely, there's a third source,
the name of which I can't recall. But what is
not about ibogain as an individual alkaloid is that it
has the unique ability, as previously mentioned, to resolve physiological
substance dependence. It has recently been discovered that not only
does it interrupt addiction, that it has profound regenerative effects
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on the brain itself. Our veterans, unfortunately, are ground zero
for multiple systems failures within the United States government, federally,
state and local levels. We see this as demonstrated by
the dramatic rise in veteran suicide, the dramatic rise and
substance dependence among veteran populations that are treated with a
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panoclear pharmacology that at bottom essentially anesthetized the soul and
slowly euthanize the body. And as veterans have become desperate
for relief that American systems will not deliver, they have
taken the hell Mary Pass of a trip to Mexico
for an eyebegame treatment and as they have returned in
what are now numbers the thousands and have advised that
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they have felt the best that they can ever recall
feeling in their life. A cohort of thirty were studied
by Stanford University. The results were released in the journal
Nature Medicine on January fifth, twenty twenty four, and those
results were dramatic. Number One, it has been discovered that
i begain essentially resolves traumatic brain injury. And what makes
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this so incredibly significant is there is nothing known within
the medical universe that regenerates the tissue of the brain itself,
not one thing except for ib again. Pre and post
MRI images of the veteran brains revealed that a single
administration of ibagain created a regeneration of the flight matter
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that covered the surface of each of these veteran brains.
Flack matter is the electrical highway across which all of
our faults and impulses travel. Not only was flat matter
regenerated at scale, but the centers of the brain responsible
for emotional regulation and executive functioning grew in size, and
the average reversal of brain age among the cohort of
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thirty was one and a half years, with the top
five veterans in their brains reverse in age by five years.
So what we now know is that not only is
i begain a profound addiction interruptor, but it has the
capacity to regenerate brain tissue in the ways that are
just now beginning to be understood. And if we have
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the opportunity in Texas to pioneer i be gain's pharmaceutical
development through the FDA's process, as champion by House Bill
author Cody Harris and Cenate Bill author Tan Parker, we
are going to pioneer breakthroughs related to the treatment of
conditions that impact the brains for which we have no
effective answers, and these include Parkinson's disease, line disease, multiple sclerosis,
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and perhaps even Alzheimer's. To see, we cannot develop this
medication quickly enough and deploy it in the US medical
system fast enough to satisfy me or anyone else who
is in need of his curative effects. So all eyes
are now on Texas as we look for an opportunity
to allocate fifty million dollars to create a Pleather Habot
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partnership to get this across the line.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Pull with me to Bryan Hubbard. We're discussing IBE gain
in Texas. Ibo g Ai, m E.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Let me see it right. Listen for the dial tone.
It sounds like this the Michael Barry Joe coptone.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Indicates everything is ready for your call.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Thirty one days, Donald Trump will turn seventy nine years old.
Yesterday morning he did a lengthy press conference boarded Air
Force one, landed in Saudi Arabia to multiple meetings, and
he is speaking at the US Saudi Investment Forum.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I would you will be.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Jet lagged, and he hasn't missed a beat and didn't
mention his age. He's twenty five years older than me.
Ran Hubbard is executive director of the IBA Game Foundation.
To be clear, folks, we're not trying to legalize ib game.
We're not trying to get you to take it. We're
not making I'm not making any medical claims. This is
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an attempt to fund and study a potentially life saving drug,
because that's what it turns out to be. Ryan Hubbard,
you've explained a little bit about this drug. Talk to
us about how this let's say this thing is legalized tomorrow.
I know some folks who are investors in this I've
come to find out of late, and they're very excited
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about the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And I'm all for people making money.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
That financial incentive makes money break loose and want to
fund more and do more. But what does this look
like in five years ideally in your mind.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Well, let's begin with the acknowledgment of a very specific
financial reality. The US and healthcare system, as influenced by
the pharmaceutical industry, is currently one which prioritizes the delivery
of treatments of chronosity over treatments that can actually deliver
curative results. And one of the necessities for public funding
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for ib again trials within the FDA's framework is to
medicalize this within the United States. Public money is necessary
because ib again lost its patent as an addiction treatment
back in nineteen ninety two, so there is no big
form of profit incentive to develop it. Because of the
way in which you can resolve opioid and other substance dependencies.
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In five years, what we would hope to have is
a fully medicalized ibagain treatment system or an individual who
has whether it's traumatic brain injury, post traumatic stress, or
substance dependency can come into a clinically controlled medical setting,
spend anywhere from a week to ten days impatient, and
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receive IB again treatment. This is a very serious medication
that does come with certain cardiac risks, and it's important
that this be administered by medical professionals along with cardiac
care nurses who are able to mitigate risk. And that
risk is the prolongation of the time between the beats
of the heart, which if they become too long, can
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lead to cardiac a risk. Now, this particular risk can
be mitigated with the co administration of magnesium, and this
is something that's been known for decades among folks who
know what they're doing with this. When a person takes
what are essentially appeals, and that's how it's currently administered
in the clinics New Mexico, you take appeal and then
you lay down once you begin to fill the effects
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and the effects are usually accompanied by the sounds of
clicking in your ears, and then you kind of feel
a heaviness and you lay down. Because I don't believe
in preaching what I ain't willing to practice, I underwent
the treatment to understand how it works and what the
effect is on the person. For about ten to twelve hours.
You are in a state of semi paralysis. You are
at all times oriented to person, place, and time. This
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is not dissociative. If I were to take I have
again right now, in an hour, I could talk with
you as coherently as I am now, though I likely
could not walk. However, if I close my eyes, I
will likely see visions from my life's history, and I
will see them from a perspective that almost places me
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outside of what my life has been, so that I
am able to process and understand those things that have
happened to me from a vantage point that is new
and one that helps me understand how to reorient my
relationship with myself and my relationship with the world. And
it is through this introspective process that individuals come away
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with what I believe is i the gain's most potent quality,
and that is its ability to affirm the reality of
our human divinity as children of an eternal creator whose
essence is almighty, unconditioned well for each of us. Without
an acknowledgment of the existence and primacy of the human soul,
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there is not any medical treatment that can be delivered
through synthetic pharmacology that can get anyone who is experienced
in despair anywhere close to where they need to be
to become a restored human being. There is the opportunity
to responsibly medicalize the game, which should never be the
subject of legalization or decriminalization efforts, precisely because of the
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cardiac risk that accompanies it. It's a serious medication. It
gives a person the very best new beginning that can
be conferred upon them to rebuild life that has been
devastated by trauma and or trauma and addiction, because at
the heart of those conditions is profound spiritual affliction.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Can you hold there for just a moment. I want
to read something I read and said, the United States
outlawed I began in ibogain in nineteen sixty seven alongside
of other psychedelics. Regulators later deemed it a Schedule one
control substance with no accepted medical use and a high
potential for abuse, in the same class as LSD and heroin. Now,
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I don't know enough about ibogain to know, but I
know that LSD and heroin from my study, are very
different drugs, and that the people typically making these classifications
or fearmongers. I don't think that marijuana should be criminalized,
so we let's start there, at least not for adults.
And I don't want to smoke any in public, but
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that's a different subject. But why do you think it
was it's categorized as this and where do you think
I know you talked a little bit about under what
terms would you hopefully down the road if it passes
the studies and gets blessed that it would be administered.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I know you nswered a little bit of that.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
So let's begin with this classification as a Schedule one
substance opportion to Drove Subdences Act. That was an explicitly reactionary,
politically destructive decision that was made within this broad based
catchment of anything and everything that was deemed counterculture to
the establishment of the time, in particular the Nixon administration
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and it's broad based war on drugs that was in
many ways racially motivated. Our legal system is populated with
what I would describe as a number of fictitious legal
realities that are used to bind, tore, and kill the
truth and Ibergain's classification as a drug or medication that
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has a hypherpensity for abuse no therapeutic value, as a
prime example of one of these fictitious legal realities. For
everything that has a recreational abusive use, there is a
substantial street economy that borders it. We know where opium
comes from, we know where cocaine comes from, we know
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where myth comes from. There are extensive black markets in
the United States that distribute all of these substances through
our society. Most folks have never heard about ibagame because
there is no street economy for I have again, there's
no street economy for ibagame because it is not a
drug of abuse. It is a highly unpleasant and challenging
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physical experience to receive this medication. Its function is explicitly
anti addictive, though unpleasant, and it does not in any
way belong to the schedule.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
One Ron Howard. I yes, abagain coming up.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
We picked every printable picture and if you don't like them,
we'll reprint them or rEFInd your money, no matter who's fall.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It is the Michael Verry Show.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
You have a photo map, your photo matters.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I consider myself a libertarian, that being leave people alone
to make the best decision for themselves. A lot of
people want to make decisions for other people. They want
to deny them opportunities to do this, or that there
are too many fat people. We need a law that
you can't eat sugar. There's too much of this. We
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need to prevent people from doing it. Because I don't
do it, they shouldn't do it. I received a number
of emails during the break, one of which said, your
conversation with the Gentleman regarding IBI gain is dangerous. I
have fifteen years of continuous sobriety. The only all cap
way to get and stay sober law long term is
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by working the twelve steps.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Oh okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Using a drug to get sober is dangerous and doesn't work. However,
by working the twelve steps and going to AA or
NA as well as working with others will guarantee that
you stay sober. I know a lot of people who've
been to AA twenty times or more and it didn't
work for them.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
This isn't just an opinion, it is a fact.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yes, there's always a person who says my way is
the only way, and it's very important that you offer
no alternative path to end up in that same place,
even if on a map it appears to me this
is my path, this is the only path. I won't
let you say there's another path. It's very important to
me that you validate my opinion and my way, because
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this is the only way in the history of mankind
that anything has ever succeeded. And I know that, even
though I really don't even know what I begain is
because I know these things because it worked for me.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yes, people are fascinating. People are fascinating.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Brian Hubbard is executive director of the IBA Game Foundation.
By the way, I'm not trying to get anybody to
do ab a game. I'm scared to death to do it.
This trip you take ten to twelve hours. This does
not sound like it's a faint of heart. My goodness alive.
But I've also watched guys who struggled when they came
back from war blow their brains out. That trip they
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were going through was worse than what this thing's going
to be. And why wouldn't we.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
We will give.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Our our men, our warriors, every ship, every gun, every explosive,
every air cover, everything. We'll spend billions of dollars, hundreds
of billions of dollars to send them to war and
we can't look for ways to help them heal when
they come home when we know they're hurting. It doesn't
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seem right, does it, Ryan Hubbard? Let's wrap up. How
do folks learn more about this? If they would like
to learn.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
More, well, I'll appoint them in a couple of directions.
One is they can go to ibergain Texas dot com
and learn all about the Texas IBAGAT Initiative and its
goal of creating a first of its kind public private
partnership or by the State of Texas will lead this
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country in the development of ibogains breakthrough therapeutic potential to
address veterans suicide, veteran substance dependence, and other mental health
conditions that are brought on by the trauma of war.
Recognizing that veterans or ground zero for the most difficult
afflictions of the human condition, that certainly not the exclusive
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possessors of those conditions. By virtue of the veterans walking
through the door, everyone else who shares in the burdens
of both trauma and addiction will be able to receive
with a successful Texas project, the opportunity to choose this treatment.
Should they show wish and this very you said it beautifully.
(29:10):
There is no one size fits all in the game
of life. Every person is a unique individual, and the
pathway to recovery from trauma and addiction is as unique
as the person who has experienced it. We are duty
bound to diversify, expand, and improve on therapeutic options within
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the society to people who suffer with any affliction, and
the opportunity Texas has with I'm again is one to
break down the door that has been erected by the
big pharma conglomerates that monetize sustained human misery. To bring
liberation to our sufferers in this life whose next stop
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is the graveyard, but for the intervention effects that an
I have a Game treatment can bring. You may also
go to Rally Texas to express your support for Senate
Bill twenty threeh eight and House Bill thirty seven seventeen
to your elected representatives here in Texas, whether they're your
state representatives, your state senators, your governor, Lieutenant Governor Riley
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Texas dot org. Please go there and express your support
for the passage of this critical legislation. Whose state we
will know by we send.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I will quote my dear friend Marcus Latrell, who went
through the treatment, when he said, trying to abuse I
begain would be like abusing chemo medication. You don't want
should do it. You know, people fear that they don't
want anything to be legal because everybody's going to abuse it.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
The most abused drug in America and has been one
hundred years of alcohol.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
It is so heavily abused that most people don't even
realize that they themselves are quote unquote using it. They
cannot imagine a life without it. They couldn't hold a
party without it, they couldn't have the workers join after
work without it. Some people wake up and can't get
till noon without it. They can't have a lunch without it,
they can't have a nice dinner without it.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It is so heavily abused.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It is such a major part of our economy, and
it is so much a coping technique, which is an
abuse at that at those levels kidney liver desk, heart desk,
the things that. But nobody's out there trying to bring
back prohibition because we recognize so people will say to me, Brian,
they'll say, well, you're right about all that, but we
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can't make alcohol illegal yet, but we can keep all
them others illegal. But you understand that making something illegal
is not necessarily a benefit to society. Well, Brian, let
me wrap up by saying, I don't know the answer.
I've not done the treatment, and doesn't sound like I
want to do it. Marcus is a dear friend of mine.
He's pretty protective, and he knows that my tolerance for
such things as a whole lot less than his, and
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this challenge him. But I am interested in seeking out ways,
whether that be plant based, a psychedelic, or anything else
that can help people, not just veterans, suffering from addiction
and trauma. And you know, the early results of this
are are pretty good, so I look forward to hopefully
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some more good returns on it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Thank you for sharing your time with us, Brian Hubbard.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Thank you very much for your time, mister Barry. It's
been an honor and a privilege to speak with you
in your audience. And let's all hope and pray that
we have a successful campaign here at the end of
the week in Texas.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
For I have again thinker both it is before the
House and the House passed it one six one. It
goes before the Senate now, and I suspect the governor
is going to sign it.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Is it just me?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Or did Brian Hubbard sound a little bit like Walt
Goggins and justified Charlie did? Several people said Charlie Daniels.
But there was a there was a Walk Goggins, you know,
Walk Goggins kind of kind of put on a Kentucky accent.
You know that was hazard counting. I'm not going to
be a member at your party, the your yo ri.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I liked it. I could listen to him talk for
a while.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
It was a little bit walk Goggins, a little bit
Foghorn Leghorn, a little bit Colonel Sanders.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
A whole lot good though.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I like it a lot. He's an interesting cat, that's
for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Hey, look reading the emails, I know there's kind of
a split of opinion. What I would tell you is,
don't be afraid of change, don't be afraid of experimentation.
You know, there's a reason they have test dummies in
the automobile industry. Automobile industry to see what works and
what doesn't. It's okay to try things and fail. It's
okay for us to make mistakes in medicine. It's okay
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to give people options of self treatment and different forms
of treatment. It's okay to explore what God put on
this earth and does it poison us or improve us?
I mean, look, you juice vegetables and you like that.
You just don't know. The point is keep an open mind,
how about that? But not so open that it falls
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