PM Show Hr 2 | Talking to Dr. Mary Talley Bowden on Her New Book

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Time time, time, luck and load. The Michael Verie Show
is on the air. It is time we revisit COVID.

(00:33):
There are people trying to bring it back.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's like bell bottoms and wings and beads. There are
just things people keep trying to bring back. Mary Tally
Bowden is a reminder as to why we should not.
We still don't have all the information. We still have
not revealed all the misinformation. We still have not cast blame,

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and of course, most importantly, we still have not punished
those who deserve to be punished. Mary Tally Boden has
a new book out. Oh, I did not realize. Did
you see the name of the book, How Michael Barry
Changed My Life? Wow? That is really nice. Mary Tally,
welcome to the program.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yes, the majority of the book is all about you, Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
She did threaten that I should probably read it before
she published it because I wouldn't like some of it.
I said, that's okay, I just won't read it. I'll
just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say it
didn't get published. First of all, let's go back to
the first time you were on. You told Ramon it
was August of twenty one, It was not It was
spring of twenty twenty. COVID was not a big deal yet.

(01:50):
And I had you on because I saw a video
of you that described self described you as doctor snotsucker,
and I said, any attractive woman, doctor who can go
by that name, that's that's I like her already. And
then I had you on and we'd never met, and

(02:11):
I kidded with you relentlessly, and you told me afterwards
that everybody said I was mean to you. Does any
of that jog your memory?

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yes, well, don't take this the wrong way, but I well,
I I mean, I honestly had no idea who you were.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I ever listened to.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
No, I'm just saying no. But it just speaks to
the fact that I was not political at all. Like
I had never turned on an AM radio talk show
in my life, and I did not realize what I was.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Getting myself into when I talked to you and then.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
But I'm very grateful, So let's just set the record straight.
It was quite traumatic that interview because it went on
for three hours and I had actually never done an
interview like that. I'd never done a live interview. Uh,
And I was not political, so I didn't know what
I was getting myself into. But I am very grateful Michael.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
And we had dinner that night and my wife explained
to you, Oh, no, no, he's that's he's jocular with people.
He really likes. That just means he really likes you.
And it is oh, okay, if that's what that means, all right. Uh,
let's talk about your journey. So you went from being
a very successful doctor with your own what was it,

(03:33):
oto laryngology? Remember remember oto? What is it called.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Total laryngology?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yes? Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word.
And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be
an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because
nobody ever appreciates me. And you went from being a
person with a successful practice in a great location, a beautiful,
beautiful space, a beautiful, beautiful kid, everything going for you

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at the corner of Kirby and Richmond, to in relatively
short order, COVID begins to accelerate. And you did what
has to still seem crazy to you. You did what
we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately, zealously
tried to heal people and treat them. Tell a little

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bit about that story, because that gets us to why
you wrote the book and all the horrible things that
happened to you and are still happening.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
So, I mean I had a very quiet practice earnis
and throat, and you know, we're used to treating resiratory infections,
that's part and parcels are specialty. And so when patients
started coming in, I you know, we didn't know what
we were dealing with necessarily, but I just kind of
used common sense and I just didn't I didn't have
the heart to turn people away, and I wasn't scared

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of getting sick, so I just let people in. And first,
you know, I was pretty mainstream. I used monoclonal antibodies
and those worked great and they weren't controversial. But then
the government took away distribution of monoclon antibodies. It became
harder and harder to get and so that's when I
turned to ivermectin, and I was very diligent about making

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sure it was safe before using it because of all
the controversy.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
And what I found is I was still able to
keep people out of the hospital using ivermectin. At the
same time, I was seeing that these COVID shots were
not working. And at the time I had a collegial
relationship with Houston Methodists. I had privileges there, but only
as a backstop as ear nose and throat. I do

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outpatient surgery, never use the hospital, and I was actually
collaborating with.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Them on research.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
But when I saw that these shots weren't working, and
as Methodists was the first hospital in the country to
mandate the shots, and that was five months before for Biden,
so they paved the way for the rest of the country.
It was a big deal. So I started seeing that
these shots weren't working because I was testing people and
I saw that the people coming in who were vaccinated

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were just as sick, if not sicker. I reached out
to them, I said, hey, what's going on. They gas
lit me. They said, oh, it just lowers of severity. Well,
I started speaking out on social media and that was
my fatal mistake, and they came after me very publicly,
very harshly. They suspended my privileges and I found out
about it from the media. I found out about it

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from a reporter at the Houston Chronicle so it just
upended my life very quickly. I had people from CNN
watching them posts, I had people screaming at me from
Australia and calling me all sorts of names, and I
just decided to fight back. And I'm grateful to you
because you really you were the first to give me

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a voice and help me in that fight.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
As as methodists began to attack you, as your credibility
was attacked, as people who never met you, whenever your
patient knew nothing about your body of work, began to
say and do horrible things related to you. What sustained
you through that period.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Well the truth. I mean, when you're standing by the truth,
it's not so hard. And seeing the patient's firsthand and
witness everything that I have stood by is what I
have witness firsthand. And when you treat albums of patients
with the same disease in a very short period of time,
you quickly become an expert.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
That's how you learn as a doctor.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
You know based on how people respond to the treatment plan.
And so I was very confident in what I was doing.
I was seeing results, I was keeping people out of
the hospital, and I was telling the truth.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
And when you have the truth. It's very easy to
keep fighting.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, you say that now that it was pretty nasty,
but they've put you through. Are we going to talk
about what we have learned from all of this? The
book is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatments and the Lies.
Mary tallybode Doctor Mary Talibut our guests coming out the

(08:27):
Michael Berry Show. Doctor Mary tally Boden is our guest.
Her book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lies.
Looking back now, with the body of knowledge you have,
you've there are probably five people in the country who've
treated the most COVID patients, and you would be one

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of those five. You've been on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan
and most everywhere else talking about what happened and what
happened to you. Start with what happened. You talked about
monoclonal antibodies which you were unable to get, which was
an effective treatment. You talked about ivermectin. Going back and

(09:12):
knowing what we know now you are king for a
day and you get to announce this is what we're
going to do to treat COVID. What would you do?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying
experimental shot that doesn't work and mandate the country.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I'll get it and give it to small babies.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
A monocla antivizer, an option ivermectin worked very well, and
you know a lot of times you'd have to use
it in combination with other medications for more severe cases.
Breathing treatments that was a big one. I mean, the
hospitals would not even allow patients to get breathing treatments.
I talked to somebody yesterday who was in the hospital

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and he would sneak into his bathroom while he was
in the hospital and give himself breathing treatments and tell
the nurses he was taking a shower.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I mean, how absurd is that?

Speaker 4 (10:16):
But yeah, and you know, basically just giving the people
in the front lines of people actually treating COVID patients.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
More say in the matter.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
I mean, they were dictating standard of care over zoom calls.
You know, government officials who had no first hand experience
actually treating these patients.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
There are so many things I want to uncover here.
Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen
or advise your patients to since COVID that you learned
or adapted.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D. I look at
common lab abnormality I find is a low vitamin D
and the lab will tell you it needs to be
above thirty, but optimally you want it to be above fifty.
And people that are even taking supplements are often under fifty.
So that I would say that's sort of the most

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the biggest thing in terms of keeping your immune system healthy.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
That's the answer the vitamin The reason for the vitamin
D is to strengthen your immune system, right right.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
I'm also and you know I knew this before, but
you know sugar. You know, infections love sugar. So like
managing your weight, and you know, I'm a big fan
of carnivore diet, you know, eliminating all carbohydrates. You don't
have to do it for the rest of your life,
but it really it helps you break down fat. And

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you know, the low the carbohydrates, the sugar infections just
feed on that. So keeping your weight under control and
limiting your sugar intake is big.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
But let me ask you this, and I guess this
would also be true of you. It would be because
I've seen it. Is it possible to be on the
carnivore diet without posting about it fifty eight times per day.
Does it still work? Okay? Do you know? Can you
still do it?

Speaker 4 (12:20):
But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the
ozimpic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that is that
there's a better way than injecting yourself with a medication
that costs twelve hundred dollars a month.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
So that's my past.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel
like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life.
You went to Stanford, you went to medical school, you
went to specialized training. You've been a single mom, You've
opened your own practice, you've had multiple employees, you're a
fitness buff. You've done a lot of things. Most people,
if we're being honest, most people don't have your level

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of discipline. So a person that's not able to shed
the weight or not willing, let me say that, not
willing to shed the weight, the ozembic semaglutide category has
been a godsend to them because, sure, what you're doing
is working, but it's it's tough, and we know most
people are not going to do that.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
It's so rewarding when you start doing the carnivore. I
mean it's a bit hard at first because the sugar
cravings are intense, but you start losing weight so quickly
and you're you know, I would bring bacon to or
I would eat bacon.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
All day and eat steak and eggs.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
And it was shocking to me because that just sort
of goes against what we've been told this whole time.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
That you know fat is bad for you.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
You actually use fat as.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Energy instead of sugar, and it's amazing. It's very good
for your brain too. You can focus better. They're using
it now for mental illness to treat mental illness, so
use it for or treating seizures.

Speaker 6 (14:02):
So I don't know. I think it's work. It doesn't
hurt to try it, you know.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
And what I was just I was shocked by the
results and so I was able to maintain it. I
was very strict for six months. I'm not strict about now,
because I got to the point where I had to
keep buying new clothes and I was it was I
didn't want to lose any more weight, so I'm not
strict about it anymore. But it's the results are pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
For somebody that does want to try it. Was there
a particular book or site that you used as a guideline.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, so there's a doctor who's pretty popular online, Ken Barry.
He has a lot of YouTube videos and I've actually
interviewed him to he has a lot of great information.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
How important when you look at now how you've changed
and how you advise patients to change. How important in
all of that is diet And what are the other
aspects of diet that you now are advising that are
not within your original core competency.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Well, I honestly think managing your weight is the number
one thing you can do for your health, because if
you're overweight, it affects everything else. It leads to high
blood pressure, it leads to heart disease, cancer, So.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
It's fundamental.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
And yeah, I think we basically covered My big approach
is limiting the carbohydrates as much as you can, and
then you know, exercise. I don't think people exercise. I
think is the best thing you can do for your
mental health, and you never regret exercising. When you do it,
you never want to do it, but when you're done,
you're you're so glad you did it right. You just

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have to remember that every time you're not wanting to exercise,
But I think it's the best thing you can do
for your mental health and relieving stress and sleeping better.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
It's very basic, and.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
We've kind of lost that in medicine, and you know, honestly,
you're not really taught that in medical school. It comes
from life lessons more than anything.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
It's amazing. I follow so many wellness folks, some doctors,
many not. And the consistency of cholesterol is not your
enemy and meets not your enemy. Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus,
The Treatment, and the Lives. Mary Tally Boden is our guest,
will continue our conversation coming up. I'm ting must be right.
You are listening to Michael Berry. Mary Tally Boden is

(16:33):
our guest, doctor Mary Tally Boden of the new book
Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lies. Let's
talk about what happened to you personally. When did you
first realize that simply practicing medicine trying to heal people,
which is supposed to be your calling, was subjecting you

(16:54):
to professional and personal problems. Real, I don't recall anybody
attacked like this. Maybe Jack of Orkian doctor death that
that may be the only person I've ever seen attacked
in this manner to the extent that you were.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there
getting attacked, believe me.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
I mean, I'm actually getting ready.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
The Federation of State Medical Boards is this national entity
that basically sent out a proclamation to all the state
medical boards to go after doctors who were, you know, saying.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
The things that I was saying.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
And initially I was fairly conservative in what I said
compared to what I say now. I mean, I said
vaccine mandates are wrong and iver metion works, and that's
that's I said that online. And that's what really got
got me in trouble. So yeah, it's uh, you know
it basically, yeah, I treated a lot of COVID patients,

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but in the grand scheme of things, I was nothing.
It was, you know, I was just this, I really
make a dent and things. But Houston Methodists went after
me so publicly that it just launched me into the
public eye. And then at that point I felt like
I had no choice but to fight back very.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Hard and walk people through. I don't know how many
people know exactly how bad it got for you, and
there were moments there where you thought you would lose
your ability to practice medicine.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Well, yeah, I'm still fighting for my medical license. The
Medical Board has been after me for four years now
and involves a patient, Jason Jones, who sheriff's deputy, father
of six. He was dying in the hospital Texas Hugley
Hospital in Fort Worth. His wife sued the hospital because
they refused to allow him to try ivermectin as a

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last ditch effort.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
They were talking hospice.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
I testified.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
I actually testified with Senator Bob Hall, and we won
the case. The court was ordered to emergency temporary privileges.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
We show up.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
A nurse shows up at the hospital to give him ivermactin.
She's greeted by the police and they turned me into
the Medical Board saying that I sent a nurse into
the hospital without privileges. The patient never was allowed to
get the ivermectin. He did make it out of the hospital,
but he was never able to fully recover. And he

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passed away. And now, ironically, as of yesterday, it looks
like Texas is going to make ivermectin over the counter,
which is bittersweet for me because yes, it should be
over the counter.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
But you know, there's so many people that he had.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
This patient tried to get ivermectin before going in the
hospital and he couldn't. But had he been able to
access early treatment, I doubt any of this would have happened.
And that's a story that many people can relate to,
not just some Texas but across the country. So the
medical Board, I'm still you know, they are dragging us

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out as long as they possibly can, and you know,
I have lost so far, but I plan on appealing
once I'm waiting to hear my punishment. So they determined
that I was guilty because I set up nurse to
the hospital without having been granted privileges, and now I'm

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waiting to hear my punishment, and at that point I
will have to appeal further.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
It's just insane. Greg Abbott could make this stop, but
he doesn't. You posted something a couple of weeks ago.
I get this question a lot since since the spike
protein seems to be a big problem. We continue to
see people dropping dead with no chronic illness at rates
far above we've seen in history, and the belief being

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that the mr NA quote unquote vaccine, which wasn't is
the reason for it. And you've talked a lot about
spike proteins, can you explain what is going on there?

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Well, spike protein is the bad part of the virus,
and for some reason they decided to create a injection
that would where your body could produce spike protein on
its own indefinitely with no stop button.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
So the COVID.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Shots, you know, unfortunately, we do not have a way
to measure spike protein in the body, at least the
one that's available to the public.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
So what I've been looking at.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Is spike protein at a body levels and it's a
little bit muddy, but what I'm seeing is very concerning
because in patients that have gotten the COVID shots, and
this is just my patients, it's almost two hundred patients
I've looked at, the average level is ten times higher
the antibody level than patients that did not get never

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got the COVID shot. And this is four years after
the fact, and most of these people got two, maybe
three shots, and many of these patients the level is
so high that it exceeds the upper limit of a test,
which is twenty five thousand. So this average that I'm seeing,
and what i'm seeing is about thirteen thousand in the
patients that got the shot is actually an underestimation because

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we don't know how high some of these patients are going.
And then patients that did not get the shots, the
average that I'm seeing is thirteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
It's just not.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Normal, and we definitely need more research, and we need
the NIH to help us with the research because there's
just not enough people willing to even acknowledge that there
might be a problem.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
How many times you think you used the term spike
protein before COVID.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Never? Absolutely, yeah, never.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
It's crazy. It's a concept I didn't even understand. My
brother had to take the shot to continue being a
police officer. He did not want to take the shot,
and he dies shortly thereafter, And obviously I'm very bitter
about that. Reading about Jason Jones, I saw a post
you put up with his widow and his children. Obviously,

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as you said, they wouldn't give a Deputy Jones ivermectin,
and he died, and now ivermectin's going to be over
the counter in the state of Texas. It's just it's very,
very frustrating watching our people die seemingly willfully, not by neglect,
but by will because people refused to allow the treatments

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that were being proven to work. And that makes me anger, angry,
and bitter on a level that is not healthy I
can relate.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
It's basically politics.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Or science, and it's bizarre to me that. I mean,
it's great to see that more and more states are
making ivermectin over the counter, but they're treating it like
the abortion till there's nothing ethically controversial about ibramectin. If
it's safe in Texas, it's safe throughout the country. And honestly,
we need the FDA just to make make the drug

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over the.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Counter because it is. It is incredibly safe.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
It's safer than antibiotics, it's safer than tylanalu, and patients
are going to the feed store to get their medication,
which I at this point I think it must be
safe because you would be hearing otherwise. But this is America.
We should not be going we should not have to
go to the feed store to get our medications.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Uh so, I.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Really hope that the FDA will put science over politics
and just make it.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Over the counter.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
The fact that they don't is a wake up call
to every American. I mean, a lot of a lot
of dirty things were revealed out of all of this
dangerous misinformation, the virus of treatment, and the lies. Mary
Taly Boden is our guest. Damn it all right? This
is Mark Chestnut and jar Bizar of Talk Radio card.

(24:59):
We've gone from Mary Jane to Maria. Derivations of the data,
Oh Spanish, No, I had no idea. That's just weird.
That's just weird. You could have done doctor, doctor. You
could have done all the doctor stuff. You could have
done all sorts of other stuff, and you choose to
focus on the first name and and derivations of the

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first name. That's weird, very weird. Ramon not normal behavior.
Who Rogan wouldn't have done that? You're feeling jealous, dangerous misinformation,
the virus, the treatment, and the lies. Mary Tally Boden,
the doctor author, a celebrity guest of huge programs. Tucker Carlson,

(25:48):
Joe Rogan, you tell us something about those appearances because
I can't tell you how many people they think we're
like big buddies. They they send message, oh my god,
your girl Mary Kelly Boten is on Tucker Carlson and
she's doing great. I don't know if they thought you
were gonna flop or what. Talk about that. How was

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that experience?

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication
is given to my kids because people are now saying.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Oh, your mom was on Joe Rogan.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
So that that has been nice for the kids because
they they had to sort of hide who their mother
was for a few years.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
And I'll say, like, Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Is very authentic and very candid. He told me things
I couldn't believe he was telling me off air. And
Joe Rogan was also great. It's interesting Joe Rogan, you
would have no idea where his studio is. It's in
this like non descript sort of warehouse looking.

Speaker 6 (26:52):
Thing in Austen.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
And yeah, I brought I brought one kid to H Tucker,
and I brought another kid to Rogan and now I
got to get two more kids to two other shows.
But you know, the best part of it was the
kids and having them have some pride in their mother
because what they're hearing from other people.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
It also caused your social media presence where you talk
a lot about what you're going through, and you talk
a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the
regulation and all of those sorts. I mean, it really
amplified your message dramatically.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
I guess. I mean I didn't see my follower count
explode or anything like that. I mean it just, you know,
it's been going up very steadily. I didn't see some
sort of huge explosion.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Guess is there any regret you have through all of this,
going back to the day before you got involved.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
I mean, it has taken as tall.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I am exhausted, and if you.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Know, I've been given and if I had been given
a choice, I don't know that I would have chosen us.
But I mean I've learned a lot and I'm a
lot stronger. I mean I used to hate public speaking,
and I'm pretty introverted, and so I've been forced to
use my voice, and yeah, I feel like I can

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help people by speaking out and so, you know, it
hasn't been great, but I wouldn't I wouldn't change it
at this point.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I think we all have purpose in life, and some
of us find it and some don't, and sometimes that
purpose changes with each season in life. But I think
you met your moment, and I think maybe you never
expected to be in the situations where you ended up,
and yet you rose to the occasion in a way

(28:53):
you probably never could have guessed you would summon that
level of strength, and that has to be has to
be a pretty cool experience to look back on that.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, I mean, things came together in a way that
made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems
sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
It just kind of happened. Uh, And yeah.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
It's like I said, it's.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Strengthened me in ways I never imagined. And yeah, I
would just encourage people. I mean, it's hard when you
speak the truth and you're outspoken about what you're seeing,
it's it's difficult. But after going through a very low point,
I feel like I'm going, you know, I'm rising now.
I'm still in survival mode, but I do have I

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have one win I did.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
I sued the FDA in.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
One but we have we still have so much more
fighting to do. So yeah, I want I want my
story to be a triumph, not just survival.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, and that brings us to the next thing and
what your life looks like and where you see that
going forward in the near and long term. Obviously you've
moved your clinic, you have they change. I get emails
from folks who say they can't get an appointment with you,
and I say, she's not taking new patients. She has

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her political side and she has her medical side. What
does that look like for you in the near and
long term?

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I
was moving and it was just too chaotic to try.
I didn't want to, you know, take on more than
I could bite shoe off. And I'm going to you know,
I mean conten us at practice. I think that's key
because it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's
going on.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
I am going to.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
Do a weekly podcast.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
I'm collaborating with an independent journalist, Shannon Joy and coming
on after her show. It's going to be called on
Call with doctor Mary Tally Boden. I'm going to focus
on answering questions because I'm sure you can relate my
dms on social media.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Are just flooded with people with.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Questions and requests and I just can't keep up with it.
So I see this as a way, okay, I can.
I can answer the questions that the most people have
and get it all done once a week and give
people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing people on
this other podcast platform called America out Loud News, and

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I find it very gratifying because, like you, you gave
me a voice and it really was helpful. And so
I like giving other people a voice when they've been
you know, persecuted or beaten down and giving them a
chance to share their story.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
I find that very gratifying.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
And when will that begin?

Speaker 3 (31:52):
In September, first week of September. It will be on Wednesdays.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Is it on call? C a l L or c
a w L because that's the national dish of Wales.
It's a it's a thick, it's like a stew. I
think it would be awesome if you did it as
on call and people tune in and they think they're
going to get COVID talk and instead you talked about
how to make the best Welsh stew. Now, that would
be very Norm McDonald.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
That that is the first I've heard.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Of that, so give it some thought, give it some thoughts.
I could see you being big and Cardiff, and it's
a whole new audience for you. You know, there's have
you been to Wales? It's really beautiful.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
No, I haven't Wales.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's like parts of Colorado that have no industry, no business,
no hardly anything, just a little resort shop there where
you hire some guide to go for a hike. And
I could see that being I could see that being
really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh, others. There's
all these different guys out there doing the medical thing.
You could do the Welsh stew thing ironically but never

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never acknowledge it. That's that would be the memory of
Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly Boden. I am so
proud to call you my friend. You are really and
I know you don't take well to compliments. You're like
Chad Knakanishi, but you really are a hero. What you
have done, the people you have saved, and the voice
you have found, and your willingness to continue to fight

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and show people to fight the way Trump did after
he got shot in the head. It's incredibly inspiring. The
book is dangerous misinformation by it today, the virus, the
treatment and the lies. Thank you, my dear, Thank you
for spending an hour with us.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Thank you, Michael Yon.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Do you know what that would cost If we had
gone into her clinic, It have been on our show
and they would have been needles involved. Thank you, and
good night.