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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and Load. Michael
vari show is on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The air because after dawn on October seventh, these Hamas
militants wearing body cameras took off from Gaza on motorcycles
loaded with weapons. Their target the small Israeli community of Sufa,
home to around fifty families.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
What people are starting to see, at least in the
occupation of Palestine is just an increasing crisis of humanitarian condition.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
The shocking events of early on Saturday morning.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
You can see people.
Speaker 6 (00:43):
Dancing at the no the music festival with no inkling
of the horror that's about to unfold.
Speaker 7 (00:48):
Two weeks ago or so, we celebrated or just it
took a moment I think in our country to remember
the Holocaust, and there's, you know, there's a kind of
a calming feeling. I always tell folks when I think
of the Holocaust and the tragedy of Holocaust.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
And while Israel's military is not releasing the clips because
they're so graphic, they allowed us to describe what we saw,
including a terrorist throwing a grenade into a bomb shelter.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
October seventh, it was the day of the attack on
Israel and Denesh Desuza has made a movie called Dragon's
Prophecy based on the book of the same name, and
that movie has just hit theaters. He will be our
guest to discuss his theories related to whether the Book
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of Revelation and other biblical prophecies foretell what has happened
in Israel, Gaza with the Philistines, a modern day Palestinians,
and much more.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You don't have to agree with it.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I take on a lot of conversations where I don't
even know if I agree with any of what the
person is saying. Sometimes I don't bother to form an opinion.
I just like to hear people's opinion. I like to
hear what they have thought through and how they presented
and let it sit there, let it lie for a moment.
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So to commemorate October seventh. He will be our guest
coming up in just a few moments.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So we're not a.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Breaking news show, but I will tell you that it
was important story.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The news broke. Oh, I don't know midday to day.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
That four hundred National Guardsmen from Texas will be dispatched
by the President to Chicago for the crime crackdown in
that city.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
It's just It's just.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Amazing to me how we've allowed this country to become
so derelict, how we have allowed such decay. It's you know,
I grew up in a in a home of a
mother and a father who may not have had a
lot of money, but they took great pride self respect.
And I was taught a series of values that some
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of you were probably taught as well, and that was
that you take care of your things. You think, you
keep things clean, you repair things, you don't throw away
good things, you don't waste things. You know, these are
these are important part of the Christian ethos. And you know,
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there are a number of things that are not biblical
per se. Many people think they are. Cleanliness is next
to godliness, for instance. But these are things that pastors
and Christian writers have sort of shared over the years.
And I don't know how much much of my opinions
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and values were instilled by my parents, and I don't
realize it and how much.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I came do on my own.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
But I can tell you that I physically enjoy I
feel more comforted, I feel more balanced. In a state
of orderliness, and disorder and chaos is unpleasant to me,
and I have the opinion that when you look at
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the urban areas of this country, which are predominantly black
much of them, and crime is rampant, and corruption is rampant,
and they have black mayors and black police chiefs and
black fire chiefs and black people walking the streets, and
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there is an absolute state of misery. That's partly because
there became a sort of hands off policy that we
don't don't want to disagree and be called a racist.
So when bad things happened, nobody would care. They would
just move out. And so you started having not just
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the white people move out, started having black people wanting
out of the neighborhood as well. And so what you
saw was what we used to call white flight, but
now I call it bright flight. The bright people are moving,
and that's the whites, but it's also the blacks, it's
also the Hispanics. Because people don't want to live in
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a crime riddled neighborhood. And Stephen Miller was talking about
the fact that if you were to ask a member
of Congress to live in some of the just wretched
neighborhoods of where trend' aragua or the cartels or the
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gangs are running rampant, where there's a murder a day
sort of thing. None of them would live there. They
wouldn't agree to live there. They avoid it like the plague.
And he said, there's no amount of money I could
pay you to live there, to have your daughter live
there where she could be raped or murdered, where your
wife or you could be every single day. You wouldn't
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live there, no matter how much I paid you. It
is that bad. And the gangs and the cartels have
terrorized these neighborhoods and made them unlivable, and yet your
constituents are forced to live there. And that is the consequence.
That is the cost of illegal aliens coming to this country,
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basically being recruited to come to this country and then
rewarded once they're here, and given a sort of official
state protection, like a diplomatic immunity that they can run rampant,
and all of these things. And you sound crazy saying it,
but it doesn't make it any less true. All of
these things create a tribute to the collapse of our country. Well,
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the country itself has not collapsed, but the cities have.
Chicago is broken, and in fact, if you look at
the mayor of the City of Chicago during a press conference.
I wish he were white, and then everybody would feel
comfortable talking about how stupid he is. He's an absolute
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idiot with horrible, horrible policies, and I feel certain we'll
find out later that he's incredibly corrupt and self dealing.
You know, I knew Ray Nagan was engaged in criminal
activity long before he was arrested, convicted, and sent to prison.
Because of the types of things he was up to
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and the type of person he is. It had been
a whole lot easier if he was white. The fact
that he was black just about got him and get
out of a jail free card. But we have got
to get focused, you know. Pete heg Seth was talking
to the I don't know if it was the sailors
or the troops or soldiers and marines, but he was
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telling a group a couple of days ago. He said,
your diversity is not your strength, your unity of purposes
and I.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Thought, wow, I like that. That's good.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Your diversity is not your strength.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Your strength is your unity of purpose, your shared mission, your.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Love of mit the Michael Berry.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
We keep learning more and more things that were revealed
called conspiracies and have now been verified.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And yet.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Nobody's ever arrested, nobody's ever punished. I saw it yesterday,
a list that was created by a Twitter personality called
I don't know who he is, and some of these
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names I don't recognize, and some of them you will. Said,
here's a list of all Republicans arrested under the Joe
Biden administration.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Donald J.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Trump, Walteene, Walt Nauta, Carlos de Olivera, Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro,
Tom Barrick, Matthew Grimes, Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, John Eastman,
Heath Cheesebro, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, Scott Graham Hall, Sean Steele,
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David James Schaeffer, Kathy Latham, Jeffrey Clark, Travan Cootie, Robert
David Cheeley Harrison, William Prescott, Floyd Stephen Cliff, Guard, Lee Race,
Darling Smith, Michael Roman, Misty Anne Hampton. These are Republicans
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arrested during the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I'm not done.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Kelly Ward, Tyler Bauer, Nancy Cottle, Jake Hoffman, Anthony Kern,
James Lahman. I might get some of these mispronounced because
they are varying degrees of celebrity. Robert Montgomery, Sam Morehead,
Lorraine Pellegrino, Gregory Sastin, Michael Ward, Boris Epstein, Christina Bob Alan, Weiselberg,
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Michael McDonald, Jesse Law, Jim Degraffenride Durward, James Hindle the Third,
Seawn Meehan, Eileen Rice, Kathy Burden, Hank Schote, Amy Factionanello,
Clifford Frost, Stanley Gratt, John Haggard, Mariann Henry, Timothy King,
Michelle Lundgren, Mishaun Maddock, James Renner, myro Rodriguez, Rose Rook,
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Mary and Sheridan Ken, Thompson, Kent Vanderwood, Steve Bannon, We
already had Bannon, Tina Peters, George Papadopoulos plus one, two
hundred and sixty five January sixth defendants. Now Here is
a list of all Democrats arrested under the Donald Trump administration.
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There aren't any. How about we get to the business
of punishing criminals. I'm not afraid of calling it revenge,
but I understand most people are uncomfortable with that. When
the Democrats arrested Donald Trump, when they dragged him to court,
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when they did all those awful things, they did it
because they knew they could get away with it, And
if in fact they get away with it, it will
get so much worse. This is the moment. Now we
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learn Republicans are now acknowledging that they are aware that
former Special Counsel Jack Smith tracked the private communications and
phone calls of nearly a dozen Republican senators as part
of his investigation into January sixth ron Johnson says, this
doesn't surprise me. It doesn't, but it should shock every
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American of what the Biden administration has done. Why don't
you stop worrying about shocking Americans and do something about it.
It's like these people think they're actors at the theater. Oh,
I don't mind that they've done these horrible things to
me as a senator, which would prevent me from doing
my job and intimidate me. But I want the American
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people to be upset. Why why you don't need the
American people to be upset so then they force you
to do your job.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Just do your job.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
But our side is scared to do its job. They're
scared to punish because then they'll be Then they'll have
to answer questions from Caitlyn Collins.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Is this revenge?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Is this bad?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Is this a threat to democracy? Is this horrible?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
But nobody asked that question when Trump was being arrested,
or Bannon was being arrested, or all the other folks
were being arrested. Our folks live in fear. There folks
don't period, end of story. Our people are weak, their
people are vicious. Here's Ron Johnson saying what I just
told you. He said, this is outrageous, what has happened.
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I just want to give you a timeline this.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
I think you've already got the the FDA sheet that
shows the number of members of Congress that are targeted
Representative Kelly Sanader's, Graham Haggerty, Holly Sullivan, Tuberville, myself, Santa.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Lummus, and BlackBerry.
Speaker 9 (13:56):
This never was dated September of twenty twenty three. To
put it all into context, the mar Lago raid occurred
in August of twenty twenty two. Jack Smith announced the
indictments against President Trump in August of twenty twenty three,
so this is almost two months later. They're casting this
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net fishing accident expedition against members of the Senate in
the House. Yeah, I've been investigating this with Sander Grassley.
This doesn't surprise me, but it should shock every American
of what the Biden administration has done. And by the way,
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this is the first time I was targeted by the FBI.
Under the Obama administration, the same thing happened to Bill,
Sander Grassley and I as part of the Foreign Influenced
Task Force. We were giving a briefing to try and
convince us that the Hunter Biden laptop was no big deal,
basically trying to throw us off the track. So this
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is major corruption just being revealed inside the Obama and
Biden department.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Justin's the FBI.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
So this is really bad, but we're not surprised by
it because they do these things all the time. Okay, well,
that's why they do it, because you're weak and you
don't punish them. You're Senator Bill Haggerty.
Speaker 10 (15:22):
My colleagues and I found out all of US Republicans
by the way, that we were placed under investigation by
this FBI under the Joe Biden FBI that was led
I presume by Jack Smith and his predecessors. This isn't
the first time that it's happened though Senator Johnson just
mentioned this. I served on the truck transition team in
Trump Tower in twenty sixteen. Senator Blackburn was vice chair
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of the transition committee. Then, as we're probably a dozen
or more members of Congress to think that we were
all surveiled back then by the Obama FBI. This corruption
to run deep, runs deep, and it's gone on for
far too long. And the fact that it's happened here again,
the fact that they are looking at our records in
twenty twenty three, sitting members of the United States Senate. Again,
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the only thing that we have in common, the only
thing that common in this entire list, is that we're
all Republicans. They've decided to come after us. This is
as partisan as it gets. The FBI and the corruption's
running there has to be cleared out. Thank god, we
have cash hotel and Dan Bongino there. This has to
be addressed, it has to be resolved. It needs to
happen today.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
This is the Michael Barry Show.
Speaker 11 (16:32):
Then another sign appeared in heaven, an enormous red dragon
of relationship twelve three.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Once again an armed attack in the Middle East, but
this time it's different.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Over seventh plus the devil's habit.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
It's very hard to believe what happened, even though I
was there and seeing with my own eyes and seeing
them laughing and killing and having fun with it. Because
if you don't open the door, they.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Are going to kill you, and they are going to
kill me. So please open the doors. So who are
the Jews?
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Who are the Palestinians? And whose land is it?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Really?
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Who could the fate of the world of humanity itself
be somehow tied to this place.
Speaker 12 (17:38):
The nation of Israel is a resurrected issue, So what
if there was going to be a resurrection of another
people and enemy people of Israel. The Bible speaks about
this whole war as a dragon representing the enemy attacking
a woman representing Israel.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Civilian deaths on both sides represent victories on the part
of the dragons.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Everything within their ability to maximize the civilian casualty.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
We came back to a land that was largely barren
and empty, and we brought it back to life, and
we're good to.
Speaker 12 (18:15):
Keep it to The Devil eats the Jewish people because
they represent the existence of.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
God, because without that Jewish foundation, there is no Christianity.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
If we're approaching the end of time, God will reveal.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
Himself more and more dramatically, speak back through the stones.
Speaker 11 (18:36):
The story that they've been telling is that Israel is
a colonial project.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
The problem with that is the city of David.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
We are an inconvenient truth.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Are you aware of any significant archaeological finding that contradicts
with the Bible? God's word stands firm to get The
Dragon will not prevail.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
To a message.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
Here is a homy Dragon.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Flaber and based Jonathan Conn's number one international.
Speaker 11 (19:13):
Bestseller, The Dragon's Prophecy.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
This film contains graphic finance of October seventh.
Speaker 11 (19:18):
In theaters only October sixth and October eighth, streaming a
DVD starting October ninth.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
The NASA has just about done it all. He has
taught at university. He has been the president of university.
He has written books. He has debated on college campuses.
He has made movies. He has appeared on television. He
is a five tool player. To be clear at the
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honor and privilege of working together with him. After a
movie he made that was promoted by Lionsgate that became
the biggest selling movie per movie theater in the country
its opening weekend, and then I had the opportunity of
traveling the country with his executive producer, who had been
one of the producers on Jurassic Park and a number
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of other projects. We went to Baton Rouge, Nashville, I think, Birmingham,
a whole lot of fun, very very influential movie. I
think the last time I was in the same room
with Densh was the premiere of a movie he did,
The President Trump screened for an invitation only list at
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mar A Lago a couple of years ago, which was
pretty pretty neat in and of itself.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
He is back. He's pretty good at this.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
He's got it down now, he's got the whole production team,
and it gets a lot easier economies of scale. I
guess with time, it's called The Dragons Prophecy and Denish
de Suze as our guest.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Well, we have a different kind of project for Dnsh.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
My earlier films have all been in one way or another,
about the meaning of America. But this is a film
that is based on a bestselling book. It's about October seventh,
it's about Israel hamas radical Islam, but it's also about
biblical archaeology and biblical prophecy. So it's weaving together a
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tapestry of the political and the spiritual in a way
I have not attempted before. And the Dragon's prophecy.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
The title refers to a passage in the book a
Revelation where a dragon representing the Devil goes to war
with a woman representing Israel, and the woman is pregnant,
representing the Messiah. So right away, but we're giving you
a sense of what the stakes are. This is sort
of the idea, is that the events we're seeing in
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front of us are, in a way the reverberation of
a great spiritual battle that has raged from the beginning
between nothing less than God and the devil themselves.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Do you think this is the times we are living?
Or is this a timeless piece? How much of your
interest in this project is related to exactly what's going
on versus more eternal concepts.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
You know, it's incredibly it's sort of both, and I
didn't quite mean it that way.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Some of it is that the timeless themes that I
made have sort of sprung to relevance, because, for example,
these ferocious battles on the right over replacement theology and
are the Jews of today really descended from the ancient Israelites.
I begin to film in a very great way. There's
ten minutes of putting you right on the scene of
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October seventh, and you're not seeing it from the side
of Israel, the victims.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
You're seeing it's almost like you are in a motorcycle
with a go pro and you're writing in with Hamas
over the fence and right into the kibbutzs.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Why Because Hamas took that footage and I've been collecting
it for two years. I didn't use some of the
most brutal footage, but I used enough that it's going
to give you a riveting introduction to what it was
actually like to be on the scene of October seven.
So it begins in that very kind of concrete way,
and then the movie takes the more kind of wide
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angled or enlarged perspective, engaging not just the political side
of it, but also you can say, the biblical side.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Why did you do that?
Speaker 5 (23:37):
I moved into the film somewhat sideways. I became exposed
to biblical archaeology, and I began to realize that there
are figures in the Bible like conscious pilot or the prophet.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Isaiah or King David.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
And for thousands of years these guys were in.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
The Bible, but only in the Bible. You couldn't produce
external proof that they even existed.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
But kind of in the last few decades, out of
the ground in Israel have come stones and seals, play seals,
and inscriptions and monuments, and suddenly all these Biblical figures
jump out of the pages of the Bible and write
into the pages of history and archaeology. And when I
encountered this, I was like, why isn't this being shouted
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from every synagogue and the rooftop of every church. So
that's kind of how I got started. Then October seventh
came along, and I began to think about the connections
between Biblical archaeology and October seventh. And it turns out
there is a.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Connection, namely, whose land is it really? I mean, who
were the original inhabitants of this land? And as it
turns out, the Biblical archaeology doesn't just sort of authenticate
the historicity of the Bible, it also establishes definitively the
presence of the Jews in that land, going back really
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four thousand years ago to Abraham.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
She was twelve, I was thirty, but any of it
was wonderful to have you, mister President. The Michael Barry,
Joe Denesh Desusa is our guest.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
The book The Dragon's Prophecy by Jonathan Kahn. It is
now a project that began limited release yesterday and then tomorrow.
Is that right, Denesh? It's streaming on Salem now on
October nine. Can you tell me how folks can see this?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, so it's in theaters one more day, four hundred
theaters around the country. Go to the website, which is
the Dragonsploral, the Dragons Prophecyfilm dot Com. Put in your
zip code, it'll pull up the theaters around you, playing,
of course, in a whole bunch of places. And then
the next day, Thursday, October ninth, it's streaming and DBD.
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It'll be streaming on Rumble also streaming up and again
go to the Dragons Prophecyfilm dot Com. You can sign
up for the d You can order your DVDs right now.
So whether you want to watch in the theater or
at home, we make it easy for you.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
You have not shot away from ecumenical subjects, but this
seems to be more of a deep dive, full plunge
into the.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Matter it is.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
And yet at other times the film seems just pressingly
for contemporary I take a question that Tucker Carlson post
or Ted Cruz, and then I take it straight to
Ned and Yahoo and I go, Okay, Tucker Carlson ask
the question, are Net and Yahoo's Jews really the true
descendants of Abraham?
Speaker 8 (26:36):
What do you say?
Speaker 5 (26:37):
And Ned and Yahoo goes right into it, and then
it becomes a kind of a very spirited dunking on
Tucker by the Prime Minister of Israel. So this part
of it feels like it's ripped out of social media,
ripped out of the headlines. And at other times it
feels like you're witnessing the primordial battle in heaven between
God and the rebel angels. You have both those elements
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in the film.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
So basically, you're or it's foretelling or are covering a
dangerous force from ancient times it's now operating in the
world and determining the course of world events today.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
And it also brings it right home to people because
it's saying that this isn't just about Israel or a
computation of us interests in Israel. We do all that,
but it's ultimately about like a choice that each of
us has to make in this great spiritual war kind
of whose side are we on, God or the Dragon?
Speaker 8 (27:37):
You know?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
The Dragon in today's world operates really, I would say,
through two platoons. On the one hand, the Islamic Jihadis
and on the other hand, the cultur are Left. And
the weird thing is that these two groups seem very distant.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
From each other. They don't have the same goals.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
They cannot easily inhabit the world, and yet they are
jointed of the hip they marched together at like Columbia University,
And it's because they have the same targets. They hate
the same people. They hate Israel, they hate the West,
they hate the Christians, and so kind of the message
of the film is, all right, we know, we now
understand who the forces of the dragon are. Well, why
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don't the Jews and the Christians, Why don't the Christians
and Israel come closer together? Because we are the platoons
of the other side.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
And that's the way that the.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Film kind of lays it out to give people a
kind of clear sense of what the configuration of forces
are on both sides.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Did a three thousand year old mystery foretell the invasion
of Israel by Hamas? And if so, in your opinion,
how close did it did it get to that?
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Well, I would put it this way. It's not so
much that it was foretoll three thousand years ago. It's
that when you look at October seventh and the war,
you can.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
See the eerie parallel.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Between today's events and what happened between the ancient Israelites
and the Philistines a two thousand years ago. Now, first
of all, the Philistines the Palestinians.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
That is the same name.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
It's the same word transported through history. But the point
Jonathan Khan makes, and this is where his argument really
takes off, is he says that the tactics are the same.
So to give an example, there's the Biblical hero called Samson.
He represents the strength of Israel. And Samson is captured
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by the Philistines. They blind him in much the same
way Israel was quote blinded on October seventh. The Bible
says they dragged him Samson to Gaza. Gaza's mentioned in
the Bible. The Philistines control the area that we now
call the Gaza Strip. And the Bible says the people
of Gaza came out and said, bring out Samson, take
off his clothes and bring him out so that he
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might quote entertain us. Sure enough, after October seventh, hostages
and captives were taken to Gaza, stripped to the waist,
paraded out while people danced around them cheered a lahuakbar.
And so Jonathan Khn makes this very arresting statement. He goes, hey,
Samson three thousand years ago was in some way the
first stage of Gaza. So this is not so much
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a kind of forecasting as it is a.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Observing of parallels on the largest canvas of history and theology.
And I think it helps give us a much deeper
insight that what we're witnessing here is not just historical events,
but to some degree biblical events.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Reading about this project, it appears that there is a
reference to a secret to the Book of Revelation that
reveals what is taking place, If not in our immediate time,
then certainly in this era.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Is that right?
Speaker 8 (31:01):
Well, I think a.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Lot of it can be connected to this very interesting
structure right in the middle of Jerusalem called the Temple mount.
The templeunt is sort of the retaining wall, that's where
the Jews pray. But that is the site of the
original Temple of Solomon and later, of course reconstructed under Herod.
That's the place where when Jesus's parents lost him, they
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found him in the temple. It's that temple. Now very interestingly,
that temple doesn't exist anymore, and sitting right on top
of that is a you could call it an Islamic
victim dome of the Rock, adjoining the Al Aksa Mosque.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
And so it's almost as.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
If the dragon, the devil has decided to occupy himself
the holiest site in Judaism and Christianity.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Now the Bible seems to.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Forecast it's a little marquie, but that we know we
are in the last days when essentially the Temple is rebuilt.
And there are actually some Jews, serious Jews in Israel,
who think that not only we should the temple be rebuilt,
but rights and sacrifices, including the sacrifice of so called
red heifers, to be resumed in the temple after thousands
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of years. And I found those red heifers in Shilo
in the middle of Israel, and so they're in film.
So this is the way in which the film doesn't
tay to make definitive pronouncements, but it just teases the
issue of biblical prophecy, asking questions, could it be that
we're seeing some signposts that we are in last age?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
It's an interesting consideration, not one that I've given a
lot of time to, but I know many many people do.
I've got about a minute left. What do you make
on purely current events of the split between sort of
Tucker and candiceans on one side and a number of
folks on the right. With regard to the Jewish question,
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the Israel question.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
We should do a show on this, or do it
at more length.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
But I'll just say very briefly that the ultimate issue
is can the New Testament be severed from the Old?
Has the New Testament replaced the Old?
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Has the New.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Covenant somehow canceled.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Out the Old? Does this mean that we don't have
to pay any attention to like creation, Genesis One, Abraham,
the Exodus, Moses, the Ten Commendments, the Hebrew prophets. To me,
this is such an outrageous sort of betrayal of Christianity.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
This is not something like denominate argument about replacement theology.
It's about people who are especially.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
Saying that when Jesus came, everything that happened before him
is obsolete. That was certainly not Jesus.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
It will be a conversation heave another time. The Dragon's prophecy,
denish Jesusa.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Thank you, good sir, thank you, thank you, and good night,
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and Load. Michael
vari show is on.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The air because after dawn on October seventh, these Hamas
militants wearing body cameras took off from Gaza on motorcycles
loaded with weapons. Their target the small Israeli community of Sufa,
home to around fifty families.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
What people are starting to see, at least in the
occupation of Palestine is just an increasing crisis of humanitarian condition.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
The shocking events of early on Saturday morning.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
You can see people.
Speaker 6 (00:43):
Dancing at the no the music festival with no inkling
of the horror that's about to unfold.
Speaker 7 (00:48):
Two weeks ago or so, we celebrated or just it
took a moment I think in our country to remember
the Holocaust, and there's, you know, there's a kind of
a calming feeling. I always tell folks when I think
of the Holocaust and the tragedy of Holocaust.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
And while Israel's military is not releasing the clips because
they're so graphic, they allowed us to describe what we saw,
including a terrorist throwing a grenade into a bomb shelter.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
October seventh, it was the day of the attack on
Israel and Denesh Desuza has made a movie called Dragon's
Prophecy based on the book of the same name, and
that movie has just hit theaters. He will be our
guest to discuss his theories related to whether the Book
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of Revelation and other biblical prophecies foretell what has happened
in Israel, Gaza with the Philistines, a modern day Palestinians,
and much more.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You don't have to agree with it.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I take on a lot of conversations where I don't
even know if I agree with any of what the
person is saying. Sometimes I don't bother to form an opinion.
I just like to hear people's opinion. I like to
hear what they have thought through and how they presented
and let it sit there, let it lie for a moment.
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So to commemorate October seventh. He will be our guest
coming up in just a few moments.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So we're not a.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Breaking news show, but I will tell you that it
was important story.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The news broke. Oh, I don't know midday to day.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
That four hundred National Guardsmen from Texas will be dispatched
by the President to Chicago for the crime crackdown in
that city.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
It's just It's just.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Amazing to me how we've allowed this country to become
so derelict, how we have allowed such decay. It's you know,
I grew up in a in a home of a
mother and a father who may not have had a
lot of money, but they took great pride self respect.
And I was taught a series of values that some
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of you were probably taught as well, and that was
that you take care of your things. You think, you
keep things clean, you repair things, you don't throw away
good things, you don't waste things. You know, these are
these are important part of the Christian ethos. And you know,
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there are a number of things that are not biblical
per se. Many people think they are. Cleanliness is next
to godliness, for instance. But these are things that pastors
and Christian writers have sort of shared over the years.
And I don't know how much much of my opinions
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and values were instilled by my parents, and I don't
realize it and how much.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I came do on my own.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
But I can tell you that I physically enjoy I
feel more comforted, I feel more balanced. In a state
of orderliness, and disorder and chaos is unpleasant to me,
and I have the opinion that when you look at
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the urban areas of this country, which are predominantly black
much of them, and crime is rampant, and corruption is rampant,
and they have black mayors and black police chiefs and
black fire chiefs and black people walking the streets, and
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there is an absolute state of misery. That's partly because
there became a sort of hands off policy that we
don't don't want to disagree and be called a racist.
So when bad things happened, nobody would care. They would
just move out. And so you started having not just
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the white people move out, started having black people wanting
out of the neighborhood as well. And so what you
saw was what we used to call white flight, but
now I call it bright flight. The bright people are moving,
and that's the whites, but it's also the blacks, it's
also the Hispanics. Because people don't want to live in
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a crime riddled neighborhood. And Stephen Miller was talking about
the fact that if you were to ask a member
of Congress to live in some of the just wretched
neighborhoods of where trend' aragua or the cartels or the
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gangs are running rampant, where there's a murder a day
sort of thing. None of them would live there. They
wouldn't agree to live there. They avoid it like the plague.
And he said, there's no amount of money I could
pay you to live there, to have your daughter live
there where she could be raped or murdered, where your
wife or you could be every single day. You wouldn't
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live there, no matter how much I paid you. It
is that bad. And the gangs and the cartels have
terrorized these neighborhoods and made them unlivable, and yet your
constituents are forced to live there. And that is the consequence.
That is the cost of illegal aliens coming to this country,
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basically being recruited to come to this country and then
rewarded once they're here, and given a sort of official
state protection, like a diplomatic immunity that they can run rampant,
and all of these things. And you sound crazy saying it,
but it doesn't make it any less true. All of
these things create a tribute to the collapse of our country. Well,
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the country itself has not collapsed, but the cities have.
Chicago is broken, and in fact, if you look at
the mayor of the City of Chicago during a press conference.
I wish he were white, and then everybody would feel
comfortable talking about how stupid he is. He's an absolute
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idiot with horrible, horrible policies, and I feel certain we'll
find out later that he's incredibly corrupt and self dealing.
You know, I knew Ray Nagan was engaged in criminal
activity long before he was arrested, convicted, and sent to prison.
Because of the types of things he was up to
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and the type of person he is. It had been
a whole lot easier if he was white. The fact
that he was black just about got him and get
out of a jail free card. But we have got
to get focused, you know. Pete heg Seth was talking
to the I don't know if it was the sailors
or the troops or soldiers and marines, but he was
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telling a group a couple of days ago. He said,
your diversity is not your strength, your unity of purposes
and I.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Thought, wow, I like that. That's good.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Your diversity is not your strength.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Your strength is your unity of purpose, your shared mission, your.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Love of mit the Michael Berry.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
We keep learning more and more things that were revealed
called conspiracies and have now been verified.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And yet.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Nobody's ever arrested, nobody's ever punished. I saw it yesterday,
a list that was created by a Twitter personality called
I don't know who he is, and some of these
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names I don't recognize, and some of them you will. Said,
here's a list of all Republicans arrested under the Joe
Biden administration.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Donald J.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Trump, Walteene, Walt Nauta, Carlos de Olivera, Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro,
Tom Barrick, Matthew Grimes, Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, John Eastman,
Heath Cheesebro, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, Scott Graham Hall, Sean Steele,
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David James Schaeffer, Kathy Latham, Jeffrey Clark, Travan Cootie, Robert
David Cheeley Harrison, William Prescott, Floyd Stephen Cliff, Guard, Lee Race,
Darling Smith, Michael Roman, Misty Anne Hampton. These are Republicans
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arrested during the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I'm not done.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Kelly Ward, Tyler Bauer, Nancy Cottle, Jake Hoffman, Anthony Kern,
James Lahman. I might get some of these mispronounced because
they are varying degrees of celebrity. Robert Montgomery, Sam Morehead,
Lorraine Pellegrino, Gregory Sastin, Michael Ward, Boris Epstein, Christina Bob Alan, Weiselberg,
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Michael McDonald, Jesse Law, Jim Degraffenride Durward, James Hindle the Third,
Seawn Meehan, Eileen Rice, Kathy Burden, Hank Schote, Amy Factionanello,
Clifford Frost, Stanley Gratt, John Haggard, Mariann Henry, Timothy King,
Michelle Lundgren, Mishaun Maddock, James Renner, myro Rodriguez, Rose Rook,
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Mary and Sheridan Ken, Thompson, Kent Vanderwood, Steve Bannon, We
already had Bannon, Tina Peters, George Papadopoulos plus one, two
hundred and sixty five January sixth defendants. Now Here is
a list of all Democrats arrested under the Donald Trump administration.
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There aren't any. How about we get to the business
of punishing criminals. I'm not afraid of calling it revenge,
but I understand most people are uncomfortable with that. When
the Democrats arrested Donald Trump, when they dragged him to court,
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when they did all those awful things, they did it
because they knew they could get away with it, And
if in fact they get away with it, it will
get so much worse. This is the moment. Now we
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learn Republicans are now acknowledging that they are aware that
former Special Counsel Jack Smith tracked the private communications and
phone calls of nearly a dozen Republican senators as part
of his investigation into January sixth ron Johnson says, this
doesn't surprise me. It doesn't, but it should shock every
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American of what the Biden administration has done. Why don't
you stop worrying about shocking Americans and do something about it.
It's like these people think they're actors at the theater. Oh,
I don't mind that they've done these horrible things to
me as a senator, which would prevent me from doing
my job and intimidate me. But I want the American
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people to be upset. Why why you don't need the
American people to be upset so then they force you
to do your job.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Just do your job.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
But our side is scared to do its job. They're
scared to punish because then they'll be Then they'll have
to answer questions from Caitlyn Collins.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Is this revenge?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Is this bad?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Is this a threat to democracy? Is this horrible?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
But nobody asked that question when Trump was being arrested,
or Bannon was being arrested, or all the other folks
were being arrested. Our folks live in fear. There folks
don't period, end of story. Our people are weak, their
people are vicious. Here's Ron Johnson saying what I just
told you. He said, this is outrageous, what has happened.
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I just want to give you a timeline this.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
I think you've already got the the FDA sheet that
shows the number of members of Congress that are targeted
Representative Kelly Sanader's, Graham Haggerty, Holly Sullivan, Tuberville, myself, Santa.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Lummus, and BlackBerry.
Speaker 9 (13:56):
This never was dated September of twenty twenty three. To
put it all into context, the mar Lago raid occurred
in August of twenty twenty two. Jack Smith announced the
indictments against President Trump in August of twenty twenty three,
so this is almost two months later. They're casting this
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net fishing accident expedition against members of the Senate in
the House. Yeah, I've been investigating this with Sander Grassley.
This doesn't surprise me, but it should shock every American
of what the Biden administration has done. And by the way,
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this is the first time I was targeted by the FBI.
Under the Obama administration, the same thing happened to Bill,
Sander Grassley and I as part of the Foreign Influenced
Task Force. We were giving a briefing to try and
convince us that the Hunter Biden laptop was no big deal,
basically trying to throw us off the track. So this
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is major corruption just being revealed inside the Obama and
Biden department.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Justin's the FBI.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
So this is really bad, but we're not surprised by
it because they do these things all the time. Okay, well,
that's why they do it, because you're weak and you
don't punish them. You're Senator Bill Haggerty.
Speaker 10 (15:22):
My colleagues and I found out all of US Republicans
by the way, that we were placed under investigation by
this FBI under the Joe Biden FBI that was led
I presume by Jack Smith and his predecessors. This isn't
the first time that it's happened though Senator Johnson just
mentioned this. I served on the truck transition team in
Trump Tower in twenty sixteen. Senator Blackburn was vice chair
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of the transition committee. Then, as we're probably a dozen
or more members of Congress to think that we were
all surveiled back then by the Obama FBI. This corruption
to run deep, runs deep, and it's gone on for
far too long. And the fact that it's happened here again,
the fact that they are looking at our records in
twenty twenty three, sitting members of the United States Senate. Again,
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the only thing that we have in common, the only
thing that common in this entire list, is that we're
all Republicans. They've decided to come after us. This is
as partisan as it gets. The FBI and the corruption's
running there has to be cleared out. Thank god, we
have cash hotel and Dan Bongino there. This has to
be addressed, it has to be resolved. It needs to
happen today.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
This is the Michael Barry Show.
Speaker 11 (16:32):
Then another sign appeared in heaven, an enormous red dragon
of relationship twelve three.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Once again an armed attack in the Middle East, but
this time it's different.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Over seventh plus the devil's habit.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
It's very hard to believe what happened, even though I
was there and seeing with my own eyes and seeing
them laughing and killing and having fun with it. Because
if you don't open the door, they.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Are going to kill you, and they are going to
kill me. So please open the doors. So who are
the Jews?
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Who are the Palestinians? And whose land is it?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Really?
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Who could the fate of the world of humanity itself
be somehow tied to this place.
Speaker 12 (17:38):
The nation of Israel is a resurrected issue, So what
if there was going to be a resurrection of another
people and enemy people of Israel. The Bible speaks about
this whole war as a dragon representing the enemy attacking
a woman representing Israel.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Civilian deaths on both sides represent victories on the part
of the dragons.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Everything within their ability to maximize the civilian casualty.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
We came back to a land that was largely barren
and empty, and we brought it back to life, and
we're good to.
Speaker 12 (18:15):
Keep it to The Devil eats the Jewish people because
they represent the existence of.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
God, because without that Jewish foundation, there is no Christianity.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
If we're approaching the end of time, God will reveal.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
Himself more and more dramatically, speak back through the stones.
Speaker 11 (18:36):
The story that they've been telling is that Israel is
a colonial project.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
The problem with that is the city of David.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
We are an inconvenient truth.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Are you aware of any significant archaeological finding that contradicts
with the Bible? God's word stands firm to get The
Dragon will not prevail.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
To a message.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
Here is a homy Dragon.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Flaber and based Jonathan Conn's number one international.
Speaker 11 (19:13):
Bestseller, The Dragon's Prophecy.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
This film contains graphic finance of October seventh.
Speaker 11 (19:18):
In theaters only October sixth and October eighth, streaming a
DVD starting October ninth.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
The NASA has just about done it all. He has
taught at university. He has been the president of university.
He has written books. He has debated on college campuses.
He has made movies. He has appeared on television. He
is a five tool player. To be clear at the
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honor and privilege of working together with him. After a
movie he made that was promoted by Lionsgate that became
the biggest selling movie per movie theater in the country
its opening weekend, and then I had the opportunity of
traveling the country with his executive producer, who had been
one of the producers on Jurassic Park and a number
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of other projects. We went to Baton Rouge, Nashville, I think, Birmingham,
a whole lot of fun, very very influential movie. I
think the last time I was in the same room
with Densh was the premiere of a movie he did,
The President Trump screened for an invitation only list at
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mar A Lago a couple of years ago, which was
pretty pretty neat in and of itself.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
He is back. He's pretty good at this.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
He's got it down now, he's got the whole production team,
and it gets a lot easier economies of scale. I
guess with time, it's called The Dragons Prophecy and Denish
de Suze as our guest.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Well, we have a different kind of project for Dnsh.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
My earlier films have all been in one way or another,
about the meaning of America. But this is a film
that is based on a bestselling book. It's about October seventh,
it's about Israel hamas radical Islam, but it's also about
biblical archaeology and biblical prophecy. So it's weaving together a
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tapestry of the political and the spiritual in a way
I have not attempted before. And the Dragon's prophecy.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
The title refers to a passage in the book a
Revelation where a dragon representing the Devil goes to war
with a woman representing Israel, and the woman is pregnant,
representing the Messiah. So right away, but we're giving you
a sense of what the stakes are. This is sort
of the idea, is that the events we're seeing in
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front of us are, in a way the reverberation of
a great spiritual battle that has raged from the beginning
between nothing less than God and the devil themselves.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Do you think this is the times we are living?
Or is this a timeless piece? How much of your
interest in this project is related to exactly what's going
on versus more eternal concepts.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
You know, it's incredibly it's sort of both, and I
didn't quite mean it that way.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Some of it is that the timeless themes that I
made have sort of sprung to relevance, because, for example,
these ferocious battles on the right over replacement theology and
are the Jews of today really descended from the ancient Israelites.
I begin to film in a very great way. There's
ten minutes of putting you right on the scene of
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October seventh, and you're not seeing it from the side
of Israel, the victims.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
You're seeing it's almost like you are in a motorcycle
with a go pro and you're writing in with Hamas
over the fence and right into the kibbutzs.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Why Because Hamas took that footage and I've been collecting
it for two years. I didn't use some of the
most brutal footage, but I used enough that it's going
to give you a riveting introduction to what it was
actually like to be on the scene of October seven.
So it begins in that very kind of concrete way,
and then the movie takes the more kind of wide
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angled or enlarged perspective, engaging not just the political side
of it, but also you can say, the biblical side.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Why did you do that?
Speaker 5 (23:37):
I moved into the film somewhat sideways. I became exposed
to biblical archaeology, and I began to realize that there
are figures in the Bible like conscious pilot or the prophet.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Isaiah or King David.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
And for thousands of years these guys were in.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
The Bible, but only in the Bible. You couldn't produce
external proof that they even existed.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
But kind of in the last few decades, out of
the ground in Israel have come stones and seals, play seals,
and inscriptions and monuments, and suddenly all these Biblical figures
jump out of the pages of the Bible and write
into the pages of history and archaeology. And when I
encountered this, I was like, why isn't this being shouted
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from every synagogue and the rooftop of every church. So
that's kind of how I got started. Then October seventh
came along, and I began to think about the connections
between Biblical archaeology and October seventh. And it turns out
there is a.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Connection, namely, whose land is it really? I mean, who
were the original inhabitants of this land? And as it
turns out, the Biblical archaeology doesn't just sort of authenticate
the historicity of the Bible, it also establishes definitively the
presence of the Jews in that land, going back really
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four thousand years ago to Abraham.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
She was twelve, I was thirty, but any of it
was wonderful to have you, mister President. The Michael Barry,
Joe Denesh Desusa is our guest.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
The book The Dragon's Prophecy by Jonathan Kahn. It is
now a project that began limited release yesterday and then tomorrow.
Is that right, Denesh? It's streaming on Salem now on
October nine. Can you tell me how folks can see this?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, so it's in theaters one more day, four hundred
theaters around the country. Go to the website, which is
the Dragonsploral, the Dragons Prophecyfilm dot Com. Put in your
zip code, it'll pull up the theaters around you, playing,
of course, in a whole bunch of places. And then
the next day, Thursday, October ninth, it's streaming and DBD.
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It'll be streaming on Rumble also streaming up and again
go to the Dragons Prophecyfilm dot Com. You can sign
up for the d You can order your DVDs right now.
So whether you want to watch in the theater or
at home, we make it easy for you.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
You have not shot away from ecumenical subjects, but this
seems to be more of a deep dive, full plunge
into the.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Matter it is.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
And yet at other times the film seems just pressingly
for contemporary I take a question that Tucker Carlson post
or Ted Cruz, and then I take it straight to
Ned and Yahoo and I go, Okay, Tucker Carlson ask
the question, are Net and Yahoo's Jews really the true
descendants of Abraham?
Speaker 8 (26:36):
What do you say?
Speaker 5 (26:37):
And Ned and Yahoo goes right into it, and then
it becomes a kind of a very spirited dunking on
Tucker by the Prime Minister of Israel. So this part
of it feels like it's ripped out of social media,
ripped out of the headlines. And at other times it
feels like you're witnessing the primordial battle in heaven between
God and the rebel angels. You have both those elements
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in the film.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
So basically, you're or it's foretelling or are covering a
dangerous force from ancient times it's now operating in the
world and determining the course of world events today.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
And it also brings it right home to people because
it's saying that this isn't just about Israel or a
computation of us interests in Israel. We do all that,
but it's ultimately about like a choice that each of
us has to make in this great spiritual war kind
of whose side are we on, God or the Dragon?
Speaker 8 (27:37):
You know?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
The Dragon in today's world operates really, I would say,
through two platoons. On the one hand, the Islamic Jihadis
and on the other hand, the cultur are Left. And
the weird thing is that these two groups seem very distant.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
From each other. They don't have the same goals.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
They cannot easily inhabit the world, and yet they are
jointed of the hip they marched together at like Columbia University,
And it's because they have the same targets. They hate
the same people. They hate Israel, they hate the West,
they hate the Christians, and so kind of the message
of the film is, all right, we know, we now
understand who the forces of the dragon are. Well, why
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don't the Jews and the Christians, Why don't the Christians
and Israel come closer together? Because we are the platoons
of the other side.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
And that's the way that the.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Film kind of lays it out to give people a
kind of clear sense of what the configuration of forces
are on both sides.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Did a three thousand year old mystery foretell the invasion
of Israel by Hamas? And if so, in your opinion,
how close did it did it get to that?
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Well, I would put it this way. It's not so
much that it was foretoll three thousand years ago. It's
that when you look at October seventh and the war,
you can.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
See the eerie parallel.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Between today's events and what happened between the ancient Israelites
and the Philistines a two thousand years ago. Now, first
of all, the Philistines the Palestinians.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
That is the same name.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
It's the same word transported through history. But the point
Jonathan Khan makes, and this is where his argument really
takes off, is he says that the tactics are the same.
So to give an example, there's the Biblical hero called Samson.
He represents the strength of Israel. And Samson is captured
(29:38):
by the Philistines. They blind him in much the same
way Israel was quote blinded on October seventh. The Bible
says they dragged him Samson to Gaza. Gaza's mentioned in
the Bible. The Philistines control the area that we now
call the Gaza Strip. And the Bible says the people
of Gaza came out and said, bring out Samson, take
off his clothes and bring him out so that he
(29:59):
might quote entertain us. Sure enough, after October seventh, hostages
and captives were taken to Gaza, stripped to the waist,
paraded out while people danced around them cheered a lahuakbar.
And so Jonathan Khn makes this very arresting statement. He goes, hey,
Samson three thousand years ago was in some way the
first stage of Gaza. So this is not so much
(30:23):
a kind of forecasting as it is a.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Observing of parallels on the largest canvas of history and theology.
And I think it helps give us a much deeper
insight that what we're witnessing here is not just historical events,
but to some degree biblical events.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Reading about this project, it appears that there is a
reference to a secret to the Book of Revelation that
reveals what is taking place, If not in our immediate time,
then certainly in this era.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Is that right?
Speaker 8 (31:01):
Well, I think a.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Lot of it can be connected to this very interesting
structure right in the middle of Jerusalem called the Temple mount.
The templeunt is sort of the retaining wall, that's where
the Jews pray. But that is the site of the
original Temple of Solomon and later, of course reconstructed under Herod.
That's the place where when Jesus's parents lost him, they
(31:23):
found him in the temple. It's that temple. Now very interestingly,
that temple doesn't exist anymore, and sitting right on top
of that is a you could call it an Islamic
victim dome of the Rock, adjoining the Al Aksa Mosque.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
And so it's almost as.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
If the dragon, the devil has decided to occupy himself
the holiest site in Judaism and Christianity.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Now the Bible seems to.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Forecast it's a little marquie, but that we know we
are in the last days when essentially the Temple is rebuilt.
And there are actually some Jews, serious Jews in Israel,
who think that not only we should the temple be rebuilt,
but rights and sacrifices, including the sacrifice of so called
red heifers, to be resumed in the temple after thousands
(32:09):
of years. And I found those red heifers in Shilo
in the middle of Israel, and so they're in film.
So this is the way in which the film doesn't
tay to make definitive pronouncements, but it just teases the
issue of biblical prophecy, asking questions, could it be that
we're seeing some signposts that we are in last age?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
It's an interesting consideration, not one that I've given a
lot of time to, but I know many many people do.
I've got about a minute left. What do you make
on purely current events of the split between sort of
Tucker and candiceans on one side and a number of
folks on the right. With regard to the Jewish question,
(32:52):
the Israel question.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
We should do a show on this, or do it
at more length.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
But I'll just say very briefly that the ultimate issue
is can the New Testament be severed from the Old?
Has the New Testament replaced the Old?
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Has the New.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Covenant somehow canceled.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Out the Old? Does this mean that we don't have
to pay any attention to like creation, Genesis One, Abraham,
the Exodus, Moses, the Ten Commendments, the Hebrew prophets. To me,
this is such an outrageous sort of betrayal of Christianity.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
This is not something like denominate argument about replacement theology.
It's about people who are especially.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
Saying that when Jesus came, everything that happened before him
is obsolete. That was certainly not Jesus.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
It will be a conversation heave another time. The Dragon's prophecy,
denish Jesusa.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Thank you, good sir, thank you, thank you, and good night,
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