PM Show Hr 2 | Teaching The Bible with David Klingler

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and Load.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Michael Very Show is on the air.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
David Kleinwood as our guest. He resides in the Greater
Brinham area now. His son's a head football coach at
Somerville High School. His other son is the offensive coordinator there.
You probably remember the name if you've been in Houston
or followed football for very long. He was a star
quarterback at the University of Houston in the early nineties.

(00:41):
He was third runner up for second runner up for
the Heisman Trophy. First round draft pick of the Cincinnati
Bengals ended up going to the Raiders, but his elbow
was blown by then and came home and decided he
really wanted to learn the Bible, and now he teaches
others and teaches people well how to learn the Bible. He,

(01:01):
of course, in the meantime, went and got a pH
d in at seminary in theology. David, let me ask
you a question. You were talking earlier about theological studies
and the types of people who go there. I have
heard it said of people I've known who were Theologians
that went to Harvard Divinity School that there aren't actually

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any Christians there that it's as if it's sort of
like you go to a literature school and there's no
writers there, that there are people who reduce it to
something that does not involve any faith. Do you find
that to be the case?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yes, well, yeah, we have in our desire to make
the Bible more acceptable because of what we were talking
in the last session that you know, the Bible calls
to suffering. You know, James is going to say, considered

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all joy in my brethren one year on our various trials,
knowing that the testing of your faith works for endurance,
and let endurance have it. That's not fun talk right, suffering,
you know. And so in our desire to make the
Bible more appealing, less offensive, more tolerant, more all accepting,

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we water down the Gospel, We water down the teachings
of the Bible. And it's all around us today. But
it's not just today. That's always been the case, Paul,
from the very beginning, all of the letters that we
see in the New Testament were actually in we're having
a conference coming up in March fourteenth and fifteenth where

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we're going to talk about the letters, but all of
the letters in the Bible, whether it's Romans or Ephesians
or Galatians or whatever it is. These were letters written
to people or to the church to address theological issues
that have come up that are causing people to to change,
to compromise. And so every school, Princeton, Harvard, so many

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of our great schools, Yale, they all began as theological institutions.
And unfortunately we tend to wander from the faith. And
it wouldn't surprise me if even schools that had historically've
been really good Dallas Seminary or you know, all of

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these denominations, we're seeing it. They all wonder from the
faith and compromise, often under the guise of being tolerant
and more loving. But what happens is we we changed
the definitions right of these words. And you see it
even in constitutional law and government and these types of things,
that if you're allowed to change the definitions, you can

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make it mean whatever you want, right.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
And so I see it's the ultimate or right that
that's what new speakers are out. He gave us the
tools to understand this, that words have meaning, and that
if you need to change concepts, you simply change words
and change meaning. And it's very powerful you made a
reference to the church, and I'm never you know, people
like to paint with a broad brush and refer to

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the black community as if all black people live in
a certain neighborhood and make the same amount of money
and do the same things. And it's just not true.
And so I'm going to paint with a bit of
a broad brush. But when you look at the church today,
organized Christianity in the form most of us would identify with,
where do you see that as compared to where it was?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And what would you most like to change?

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I tell you know, when we walk down that that's
a great question, and we walk down the trail of
church history. And one of the things that we're doing
at our church, Champion Fellowship and Brenham is we are
I'm helping us think through the reality the distinction between
the church or a church. A church simply a gathering

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of believers, and so you know, and so once a
you know, a group of believers gathers, we can call
it a church. But the Body of Christ, the Body
of Christ is is all believers in all places, in
all times. At the end of the story, people from
every nation, every tribe, every people, every tongue. Uh, this
is the body of Christ. And we have so divided

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the body of Christ. We so you know, we have
factions Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Catholic, Baptist.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I sort of just referred to it as Southern Baptist
and the non Christians.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Well, that's what everybody, that we're the only ones who
are who are saved, right, We're the only ones who
are in And and I love what Paul says to
the Corinthians jail that this is uh, you know, very
early one of uh, one of the early letters that
Paul writes. And there's division in the church at Corinth

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and they've divided over following. Some of them are following Paul,
some of them are following Apollos, who's the pastor of
the church there.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Some of them are following Peter, who's the leader of
the of the Jews and the church in Jerusalem. And
I love what he says. He says, you know, I
hear that there are divisions among you. Some are saying
I'm of Paul, or I'm of Apollos, or I'm of
Peter of Christ. And then he asked this question, was
Paul crucified for you or were you baptized in the

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name of Paul. I, Thank god, I didn't baptize any
of you, so none of you could say you were
baptized in my name, right. And then he goes on
to say, and this is where it kind of makes us,
you know, Baptists uncomfortable. He says, the Lord didn't send
me to baptize, but to preach the Gospel. And so
he goes on to explain in this whole letter that

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everything he does is to build up the body of Christ.
And so we do great error, and we fail to
recognize that all believers in all places, in all times,
in all churches, and none of us have the you know,
we're all heretics in the sense that we all believe

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false doctrine. We just don't know what the false doctrine
is that we're believing. So that's what we've got to
go back to the scriptures all of the time to
make sure that what we're saying is So we've got
to be breand and I think that you've got to
have a lot of humility when you come to the
scriptures and put yourself under the authority of the text,

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not under the authority of a teacher, a Bible teacher,
a ministry, even if it's teached me the Bible or
whatever it is, we all have to answer to the Lord.
And so so you know, the church has always been
in some ways a mess because church is the bride
of Christ, sure, and the Church is the bride of

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Christ and himself for the Church. And so one of
the things.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
David David Kleinler is our guest, I'm going to ask
him in his teach Me the Bible dot com and
Teach Me the Bible podcast sort of way to teach
me about one of my favorite people in the Bible,
and that is the Apostle Paul.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Finish. I just said it's the Judge in Spanish, because
I feel that she forgets that we're Hispanic and that
we're the people that.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
She targeted for a boot the Michael Barry Show. David
Klingler is our guest. You may remember him as a
football star.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
He went on to get his pH d in theological
studies with an expertise in the Old Testament. You can
go to teach Me the Bible dot com in a
very accessible way to learn about the Bible. He also
has a podcast, Those of you always looking for a
fun new podcast, and he's our guest of David Klingler.
If you would teach me the Bible about Paul. Saul

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of Sarsus, one of my favorite, one of my favorite
people in all the Bible is uh Saul of Tarsus because.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Of well, for many reasons. But anyway, teach me the
Bible about Paul.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
What au You know, Paul was a he's a pharisee. Uh.
You know, he kind of lists his credentials in in
Philippians chapter three. You know, he was of the tribe
of Benjamin, circumcised on the eighth to day. He was
steadfast in his holding to Judaism, persecution of the church

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and uh. And so the thing about Paul is he
knew the Old Testament scriptures stone cold. I mean he
knew Uh, he knew the Bible. He knew the Old
Testament scriptures. And when he comes to Christ, it just
changes everything for him. Uh and uh. And so he
wholly devotes himself to the Lord. And and we were
talking in the last segment about the Corinthians and and

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and everything that he does is for the building up
of the body of Christ. He explains that we are
members of one another. And I love how he how
he sets that out. That John says the same thing.
It's all bringing a little bit of John here in
first John. But how can you say that you love
Christ him? You haven't seen None of us have seen Jesus.

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None of us have heard his voice. We talk about,
you know, we use that kind of language. You know,
I've heard the voice. But you know, but how would
you know? Right, Paul was going to say, Look, I
don't care if an angel appears, and you know, in
the room, if if someone appears to you, if an
angel appears to you and presents a gospel different than
that which I preached, let him be a cursed And

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you know. And so if we haven't seen Jesus, don't
tell me about your love of Jesus. Show me your
love of Jesus through your love of his body. That
is the Church, the body of Christ. And so we
need to be about building up the body of Christ.
It's everything he does. He sacrifices his whole life, all
his credentials, to build up the body of Christ, to

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take the gospel to the gentiles. And and boy, he
is bold, I mean unbelievably bold. And ultimately goes to
his death because of it. Just an amazing character.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
What I find interesting is that.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Perhaps the verses that that I have most really enjoyed
diving into and really taking them apart. I like to
put take things apart and put them back together, not
physical things, but people and literature and the Bible. And
I find that with Paul's letters, I do that. And

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I didn't know until later that these were letters, that
this was a sort of an untraditional, unconventional.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Portion of the Bible.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
How do you think that affects the books that by
that that are attributed to Paul, because they were a
letter formed from prison to those those people's, those churches.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Well, I think that that if we if we first
remember that they're letters, you'll interpret them correctly. Right we
go in. Let's take for example, Paul's letter to Timothy.
He writes two letters to Timothy, and he's going to
say things. He's going to tell Timothy to do things
like look out for Alexander the coppers myth. Well, I'm

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not worried about Alexander the copperce myth, you know. And
he says, bring me my cloak impartments before winner and
I'm not trying to find Paul before winter. I'm not
praying for Paul. You know, Paul's you know, but he
tells Timothy to do other things that are very applicable to today.
And and so when we remember that Paul, for example,

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was writing to the Romans, the print insalationis Ephesians. Whoever
was to address specific issues that had arisen in that congregation,
or with by Layman, or or with with Timothy, or
in the church at Thesalonika. Then we can read them
and it makes sense. We see what he was doing
back then, and we can draw implications for today because

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we're still in the church today, and you know, the
church still has its struggles and the world is still
the world. Nothing is new, as Solomon would say in
ecclesiastic there's nothing new under the sun. It's the same issues.
People are still pursuing wealth in a big name and
fame and fortune, and then they die and it's all vanity.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
David Kleanler is our guest.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
David, let me ask you, you know, having gone to
law school and then getting another law degree. When people
ask me questions about, you know, how do I learn
more about the law, I often say that you have
to begin by unlearning many things that were told to
you that are not true because they create blocks, and
how you understand, you know, how our legal code is written,

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and how how our legal code is interpreted and applied
and precedent and case law and all these sorts of things.
What are some things that you think corrupt our general
understanding of the Bible in a conventional sense that you
have to undo to go in with a properly open mind.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
M boy, what a great question. I think that our
denominationalism doesn't help. Our church history doesn't help, our Americanism
doesn't help. And I'm you know, look, I I'm profoundly
proud of our American history and so many of the

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things there. But when we equate being American with being Christian,
or or being whatever it is with being Christian, that's
that's not helpful. And so, as you said, so many
of the things that we have learned, not only you know,
limit us from understanding the Bible.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
David Klingler is our guest. We had a momentary glitch.
The devil was was working on our phone lines. You
did that for a moment, But yeah, throughout his career
he has uh He has been perseverant and resilient, if if.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Nothing else, and and he will continue to be.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Just a second before we go to a quick break,
and then we'll move on to the next thing. What
do you love most about what you do now in
addition to being a dad and a husband and a friend.
But this, I don't want to call it a job
per se. But what do you love most about it.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
To watch people understand the Bible. It was the thing
that drove me. And in the Bible doesn't need to
be hard to understand. The churches don't need to be
set against each other. We need to all be pursuing truth.
And and so when we understand the Bible becomes so simple,
and it's fun to watch students they're you know, the

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kind of that aha moment, they get it, they understand it,
and and it's just fun to watch. And then you
watch how it changes their lives and they devote themselves
to very different things than they had before. And and
so that's what I love, That's what I do. I'm
thankful for the ministry of teaching the Bible. So many
great people behind that thing and make that go. I

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I just say on the in the microphone what I
teach at at the seminary, But just so thankful to
be a part of that, and that the Lord can
use any of us. You know, you don't have to
be a retired football player with a big name.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
The Lord had always used the smallest each and it's
good that.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
You do use it. David Klingley is our cleaner, is
our guest more than from me, And listen to the
Michael Berry Show that.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
David Kleomer is our guest football star turned PhD in theology.
Now teach me the Bible dot Com. There's a podcast,
Teach Me the Bible dot Com. I noticed, let's talk
about your team. I noticed you've got some folks. See
if I can pull the page back up here, You've
got some folks that are associated with churches who are

(17:08):
part of I guess this podcast team. Tell me what
this entity looks like that you are a part of.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
It looks like you run.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's actually just a very small group of very committed people.
Our budget is next to nothing, and you don't need
a lot of money to do ministry. You need just
some passion and care for people. And so there's still
Porter phil Is He's our worship pastor at Champion Fellowship,

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Tim Webb. Tim's the relieve pastor at the church, and
just a wonderful guy. We've become just steadfast friends and
just such a faithful guy. Alex Wolfe is actually one
of our PAC students and also a pastor at the church.
And then there's several men who I've trained through the

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PhD program who are pastoring at other churches. And we
all just have a passion to help the people of
God understand the Word of God. And that's what brought
us together and and so that's what we're what we're doing,
will teach me the Bible.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
And when people engage in this and they want to
understand the Word of God, how do you think that
changes them?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
How what is their reaction after this? What do you
hear back?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Mostly just you know, thank you, it makes sense now.
And and I don't want any of the focus. I
always tell our students. I tell our you know, with
the seminary, we're training pastors, we're training professors, and say
if anyone ever comes up to you after you've taught
or preached and say, boy, you're such a gifted speaker,

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such a gifted communication or or you know, communicat or whatever,
you're doing something that's bringing attention to you. In our
job is to bring attention to the Lord into his word.
And so that's really it when they come up and
they say, man, I really thought that I knew Jesus,

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but this just is is just so eye opening. It's,
you know, thank you that makes it worth everything we're doing.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
You have a Bible conference coming up March fourteenth and fifteenth,
and I'm reading about it and it's to teach me
the Bible Conference twenty twenty five and it says, this
was an interesting line.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I thought.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Our mission is to help the people of God understand
the Word of God. And when you leave this conference,
you will be able to open your Bible and understand
all the epistles.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Is there a particular focus on the epistles? Why do
you mention that?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, last year we did the story of the Scriptures,
and so what we're doing, we're always just taking a
section of scripture and say, let's understand what this section
of scripture is doing, and we're going to dive into
six specific epistles. Three Paul line epistles, three what we
call general epistles, UH and so we'll be doing Ephesians,

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uh and uh, Philippians James first, John first, Peter missing
the missing one of them. I don't remember which ones.
They're all running together. I think Philippians Upheasians of Philippians
and uh one margin. We'll we'll teach six of them.
But helping people understand, Oh, this makes sense. I know

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what he's saying now, and it kind of demystifies in
some in some way what Paul saying. Paul's just writing
to a historic group of people to address a historic situation.
Uh and uh, And they go, wait a second, this
makes sense. I understand this now, and that's our goal.
That that is simply our goal. Uh, in everything that

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we're doing.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
What does your personal Bible study look like? Do you
have a time of day, do you have a place
where you go? Do you have and I know you
do to teach me the Bible in the year, which
I know a lot of people have done. If not,
your course of courses and programs like that. You know,
the consistency seems to help folks, But what is your
personal Bible study?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Your personal nourishment?

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I'm you know, I tell people all the time, I
can't believe that I get to do what I do.
Basically my day involves waking up and or reflecting on
what I was thinking about all night. You know, it
is things wake you up in the middle of the night. Recently,
I was trying to think through first Thessalonians five ten

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in the middle of the night, trying to figure out
what's going on there. And so I get to wake
up and interest reflect on the Bible all day I.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Do.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
You know, I use the Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic textters a
few sections of their make in the Bible and just
try to understand it better so that it changes my
life and hopefully changes the lives of those around us.
And boy, we need more people who handle the Word

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of God will to lead the church bring desperate need.
We are losing pastors. Not many folks are going into
the ministry. Why is that, Well, it's a great question.
I think that there's not a lot of glitz to it.

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It's a hard job. People are hard to deal with sometimes.
I think one statistic I heard was that about ten
percent of our students are our graduates that go into
the full time ministry are still in ministry within five
to seven years.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
And well, you know as well as that pastoring a church,
tending a flock is a very different undertaking, in a
more difficult undertaking than what might be more considerate, you know,
in the of Joel ostein preaching, whether that be on
TV or in a megachurch or whatever it is, the
concept of preaching is only one aspect of pastoring. But

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the pastoring is is is tough because you are really
as tending a flock. And that's that's where the heavy
lifting comes in in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Oh sure, yeah, I mean you can't. You can't. Pastor
the multitude Doctor Swindle Chuck Swindall, famous Bible teacher. I
remember one day I was talking with him. And there's
so many I've just benefited from, so many profoundly wise people,
but the one day I was talking to him and
I just thanked him for his giant impact that he's

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had in ministry, and I was thinking about, you know,
his insight for living ministry and radio ministry, and he
stopped me and he said, let me explain something to you,
you know, kind of like when you take the little
kid in your on your arms, you let me explain
up to you very clearly. So you don't misunderstand that.
He said you can impress from afar, but you can

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only impact up close. And I think about that a lot.
That uh that that we've we live in this world
and you know, podcasts do it and radio does it,
and you can influence a lot of people. But the
amount of time that you can actually spend to get
to know someone and to to to get deep into

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their life, that it's not many. And and that's the
that's the hard part of pastoring. We were so driven
by this megachurch model where we all want to have
the giant, biggest churches and the biggest ministries and you know,
the podcast that reaches millions and all that stuff. But
you know, but in doing that, you pass over the

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people that are right in front of you, uh that
that you should be caring for and you're not. And
and so pastoring is hard work and and and it's
not often met with the all the praiser of the
world and even the praiser of Wickham the church. Often
it's met with cricketers in and so it's hard work,

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but it's very rewarding.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Hold with this one more one more segment with David
Kleingler m.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Duck, King of Ding and this other guy, Michael Barry.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
These are the kind of guys you like to smack an.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
I found out recently that David Klingler in a Where
Are They Now? Episode v H one style, who was
the star quarterback when I was at the University of Houston.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
For the Cougars UH. He was.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
He was nationally celebrated, a finalist for the Heisman Trophy,
beloved following Andre Ware and numbers even more impressive than
Andrea and Andre to be the first day this heyday
of UH football. And I found out that he went
to a theological seminary, got his pH d. And now
he's teaching in any different roles, and one of them

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is sort of a to the general public, and it's
called Teach Me Thebible dot Com.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
You can find them online.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
And a podcast, so if you'd like to do that,
they do learn the Bible in a year. They have
a conference coming up. I noticed, let's talk about the
dollars and cents, And I know people are uncomfortable with
that sometimes, but it is a part of everything we do.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
It doesn't appear to me that you're trying to.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Make much, if any money off of this thing, because
I noticed that the conference schedule, a two day conference
is a whopping twenty nine dollars and you have to
defray the costs of all sorts of things to even
put that on. Is that a conscious decision of you know,
this isn't a business enterprise.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yes, yes it is. And again I think that you know,
I want to criticize churches. You know, we do need
somewhere to meet and all that, but for the most part,
ministry takes no money. It takes time. And so you
know when we said, well we need to do a podcast,
well how much does that does that take? It takes

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some some people who are committed in some time. It
takes a computer, It takes a couple of of microphones
and uh and focus to sit in front of them.
And so really, you know, we can do this, this
whole ministry for a very very small amount. And I've
covered that expense. And and I love what Paul says.
It seems like we keep going back to the Corinthians.

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But you know that Paul works in their midst and
and wasn't a burden to any of them. And the
reason why he does this is so that none of
them could say that his motivation was financial. His motivation
was for money. Everything that he was doing was for
the building up of the Body of Christ and to

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benefit the church. And so our mission. So often mission
statements of an organization are are state admission, but they're
not the real mission. Our real misis is to help
the people of God understand the Word of God. And
that's it. And we want to do it as a
labor of love, and we want to do it for
as cheaply as we can to benefit the church. So

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we don't you know, if you want to give, great
but you know we don't need your gifts.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Let's talk about your life and how you arrived where
you are. And I'm not building you up as perfect
I know you will. You would not be comfortable with that.
It's it's inconsistent with your teachings. But let's talk about
decision making in your life. Obviously, you've made some decisions
that I would consider to be very good decisions. To

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put yourself the ledger of your decision making would be
better than bad. To put yourself in a position where
you're proud of your kids, you're happy in your marriage,
your your skills and talents are being put to good
use toward your faith through your ministry. When you talk
to young athletes, and you've done that over the years,
and you talk to young people, what advice Looking back

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now where you are in your fifties, do you say,
I wish I'd learned this, wish somebody told me this,
or these are some things that really seem to resonate
with young people.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
I'm so thankful Jack Party. You know, back at our
time at u of H, he was a man of
such unbelievable character. So many great men poured into my
life and I really took what they said to hart.
And it troubles me today that we've kind of turned
our whole culture, specifically sports culture into free agency. You know,

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everybody is is a free agent. They're all working for themselves.
We're seeing this in college football, certainly, it's been around
the NFL for you. Even in the youth sports. You know,
I guess you got six year olds play on select teams,
and you know they act as a free agent. And
and somewhere in our culture we need to learn the

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concept of individual sacrifice for mutual benefit, that there is
a mission and nothing worth achieving is going to be
achieved by yourself. It's going to take a bunch of
people single minded in the mission to try to achieve
something greater than yourself. And frankly, I think that's that's

(30:26):
why Nick Saban, I think, has left college football. I
think that that, you know, increasingly, it's become difficult in
our culture to find use these places, and so we're
not interested in personal sacrifice, We're not interested in suffering.
We're not interested in doing anything that's hard, and so
we suffer because of it. That everything that's great that

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you want to achieve in life is going to cost
you to suffer. It's going to be hard, and it's
going to take the help of others to do it.
And so I'm so proud of my two boys, you know, coaching.
You know, I'm not so sure that pastoring is the
most influential thing in our culture anymore. Maybe at one
time it was sports. I think is probably right at

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the top of the list now And at least in
my life, my coaches had the biggest influence on me.
And so I'm so proud of what they're doing there.
They have devoted their their lives not to teaching football
x's and o's or bun and shoot or you know,
some offense or something, but teaching character. They're They're in

(31:33):
the character education business, absolutely, and I'm really proud of
them to that.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
You know, in my life, I think of the people
who have had the biggest influence, and I still have
people like this. You know, it was obviously my parents,
but it was coaches and teachers and administrators and youth
pastors and pastors, and more of those were outside the
church than in. And I think everybody understands the role

(32:02):
you have in raising young people and we see the
results when we don't do our job. And maybe that's
an avuncular role because you know, our brother or sisters
kid needs somebody to talk to on occasion, or maybe
it's a grandparent who steps in on occasion. I think
a lot of people have been afraid to do that,
and we could spend a lot of time on why
that is. I'm going to ask you as we part,

(32:23):
to give me one quick memory of playing ball at
the University of Houston. That is when you will always
fondly remember a moment, a game, something.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
There was a play and I've talked to Andre about this.
It's his favorite play as well. You know, when we
were there together, we were there at the same time.
We were both fierce competitors, but through that became great friends,
lifelong friends. And so we were playing the University of Texas.

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They played Manda Man almost every play, and so John Jenkins,
the offensive coordinator, he put in this play where Andre
was going to you know, as we were always at
the line calling the plays, and so he would kind
of wander out to the right and call the play
to the right, and then he would go to the
left and he would yell out to the receivers at
the left, and as he went out to the left,

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we'd snap the ball and I would My job was
to sneak in with the crowd and replace Chuck Witherspoon,
who was the running back. And so I'm back there
in the shotgun and I catched this snap. And we
were pretty aware that Andre had a pretty good chance
to win the Heisman that year, and he was throwing
for all kinds of yards and touchdowns and if he

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could catch a touchdown pass, that would just be great
and was and I was as nervous as I could be,
because you know, I had to throw this thing. And
so off he goes down the sideline and sure enough
he's wide all pecker and thankfully through a decent ball
if it'd been a little bettery to score it, but
he caught that thing going down the sideline. It's just

(33:57):
a you know, just a great memory that I that
I had, And thank.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
You for sharing that Up against the Clock, David Klingler.
Thank you for sharing a few hours of your time
with us, and thank you for your mention.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Hell us had us a lot for killing. Thank you
and good night.