PM Show Hr 2 | The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk Vs. the Rise of Paganism

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
The Michael Verie Show is on the air.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
I don't want to be one of those people, but
often I fall into the trap of it where I
invite an author on to talk about a book which
is their project, their work, and you work on a
book for so long, and then you birth it out
into the world, and you want it to be taken,
you want it to spread, and you want to share it.
And especially a book on faith, a book on Christianity,

(00:49):
a book on the threat to America, this one in particular,
Pagan Threat Confronting America's Godless Uprising by Pastor Lucas Miles
of tp US A the forward by Charlie Hurt. But
in so doing, sometimes if that person has an interesting
background or everything that's going on with TPUSA, it's easy
to get distracted. I am fascinated by what's in this book.

(01:10):
So let's talk about that. Pastor Lucas Miles. Pagan Threat.
Why do you use the word pagan threat as opposed
to there are some alternatives that come to mind.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Talk a little bit about that if you would.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, well, first off, thanks for having me on and
giving me this opportunity to talk about it and also
to talk about Charlie. Both things are important at once.
And you know, it's it's an honor view with you
when you when you look at where we're at as
a society. This word pagan doesn't get used very much anymore,
sort of an old esoteric word.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
You might think of Zeus or Odin or you know
the Greek, you know, pantheon of gods, and to some
agree that is what I'm writing about, but I think
it's more than that, So I'm using pagan. It's sort
of a broad blanket term. And one of the reasons
I wanted to nod to that word as a as
a general descriptor of this post Christian you know, revival

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that's taking place, is that this is very similar to
what the early Church went through in Pagan Rome as
the Gospel was first taking route. There's not been a
time in history since the days in Rome where Christianity
has been vilified to the extent that it is today in.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Our current society.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Back in early Rome, in the first several centuries, we
had people like Justin Martyr to stand up to give
an offense of the Christian faith because there were accusations
the Church was facing that, you know, that Christians were
cannibalistic because they consumed the body and blood of Jesus,
or that they were ancestual because they would call their
spouses their brother or sister in Christ. They were, you know,

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referred to as being bad for the economy because so
many of those who were in the business of making
idols and making you know, peddling sacrifices that could be
given at various pagan temples, we're going out of business
because so many people were coming to Jesus, and so
it was the Christians fault.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
The economy was failing. So Christians were vilified.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Now, even if you go back thirty years, you know,
in our history, Christians weren't referred to in that way.
They were referred to as holier than now goody two shoes,
maybe self righteous, but they weren't referred to as being bigoted,
they weren't referred to as being racist, they weren't referred to,
you know, in these terms of being you know, misogynistic.

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But now Christians, all of a sudden, the vernacular has
changed and Christians are being vilified in ways in which
we've not seen since early Rome.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
This is this post Christian.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Pagan world that we are now in where we have
to once again develop a new apology for the Gospel.
And by apology, I'm using that in the Greek sense
of the word, not an apology like I'm sorry, but
a defense, a robust defense and polemic for the faith,
that we can demonstrate the necessity for the Christian Gospel

(03:58):
and the you know, the validity of the Christian Gospel,
and the historicity of the Christian Gospel in this area
and age of skepticism and doubt. You know that I
think we are facing and especially this post COVID generation.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Pastor Lucas Miles TPUSA Pagan threat confronting America's godless uprising.
You mentioned a moment ago about the church partnerships. I
forget the exact language you use. How does a church
that's interested get involved, What are the resources? What does
that look like? I think there's gonna be a lot
of people very interested in that.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, So we.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Have a website tpusafaith dot com where you can go
to find out more. We've recently launched a map locator,
so if somebody's listening who's not a pastor, but they
were looking for a church.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Near them, they can go to our map. We are opting.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
All of our churches have to opt into this, so
it's a kind of a slow process of getting all
eight thousand churches on the map. We're up to about
five hundred or so right now. We just rolled this
out a few days ago, and so that numbers me
grow very rapidly as our team processes through the information.
But that map will continue to be present and where
you can go and check your zip code and look
around the United States to see if there any churches

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near you that are working with Turning Point. So there's
no cost. Everything we do for the church is free
of charge. We offer free courses and curriculum. We just
finished a course called First Truths that's become our most
viewed at course that we've ever launched, which is myself
and doctor Jeff Myers from Summit Ministries talking true kind
of really the primary Christian doctrines, things we might see
and say, the apostles creed that help us understand and

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define what is Christian and what is not and how
do these primary Christian beliefs help us think about sort
of the cultural hot button topics around us. So for instance,
when you know that God is creator, that helps you
to be able to have a biblical view of marriage, sexuality,
as well as the sanctity of life, because we see
Him as the origin, you know, for those things, and

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he's the one who's defined them.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
As the genesis of them.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
And so you know, this helps us as we pross
through these primary doctrines. We also have regional managers across
the country, so if churches are looking to connect with us,
they can reach out through our website, fill out an
interest form, one of our team will get a hold
of them. Uh, we'll come out, we'll meet with you,
we'll talk about all the resources we have available, again
free of charge. We're not pushing churches to you know,

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we're driven by you know, our generous donors that are
really allowing this program to be available for the church.
And so we try not to put any sort of
burden on the pastors themselves or the church themselves as
they as they navigate through this. And we're just asking
in response that churches would commit to standing with us
and uniting around primary doctrine and to resist vocism in

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their American and their local pulpit. We want to see
wocism eradicated from the American Church.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
That's that's one of you know, several goals that we have.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
T p U s A States dot Com is the website.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
T p U s A Face dot com. Pastor Lucas
Miles is our guest. The book is Hagen Threat. When
you talk about wocism in the church, I have long
lamented that the invasion by the left, the incredible success
they have had is that rather than compete with the

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church the educational institution, they have instead infiltrated and destroyed
them from within. And that's far more powerful in this
trojan horse sort of way. What are signs to someone
who says, you know, gone to this church, I grew
up in this church, but I'm feeling uncomfortable. What are
some signs of a woke church that you see as
red flags?

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
First off, I think it's important to remember that Satan's
not a builder. You know, God is a builder, and
so Satan is only a hijacker. He's coming in to
try to steel, kill and destroy, and he's only doing
that and things that are you know, existing. He's not
going to create his own thing. He's going to try
to infiltrate the existing frameworks and organizations, and you know,
entities including the church, to use that as a vehicle

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for destruction and some capacity. And so if you're looking
for kind of like asking a question, is as my
church woke or not? First off, it should be obvious
by now, after COVID, after George Floyd, after the rise
of BLM, after you know, UH doctrines and doctrination in schools,
and after the martyred on with Charlie Kirk, if you
couldn't see where your pastor stands and they had a

(08:17):
renounding silence over all of these issues, you know, even
the overturning of Row.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
If you didn't have a standing ovation.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
At your church, if they didn't address it, if they
didn't make mention.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Of him, you got the Michael Berrys Show. Pastor Lucas
Moles is our guest.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
TPUSA faith dot com is their website. He is with
the faith wing of the Turning Point USA organization. The
forward to the book written by Charlie Kirk, and there's
a line I want to quote because I want to
ask you about it. Charlie Kirk writes, a fearless warrior
for Christ, Lucas is a man built to stand for
the truth in a time of great apostasy. Don't just

(08:53):
read pagan threat, internalize what it has to say, then
share its message with your Christian and friends before they
are seduced by paganism themselves.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
We have a faith and a country to save.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
He uses the line share its message with your Christian
friends before they are seduced by paganism themselves. I spoke
at Linked yesterday on the show about the seduction of
particularly young people, but many times poor people buy socialism
throughout history. That's why it takes hold. It's very seductive.

(09:27):
What do you see as the seductive powers of paganism
to a person feeling this temptation.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, I think it actually sort of a spiritual halfway house.
It gives you the ability to feel like you're still spark,
you're still part of some sort of religious framework while
having kind of this choose your own adventure, you know,
kind of create your own morals, create your own pathways.
On the other side of that without any sort of rigidity.
And so, you know, Christianity, it's not that it's it's

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you know, Christ freed us from you know, he live fully,
perfectly the law in order to free us from you know,
the law of sin and death, and and you know, Christianity,
although we are in a relationship that is rooted in
God's grace and freedom and liberty in christ there's a
rigidity to.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
It in that it is well defined.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
It's a well defined moral structure that Paganism does not
share with it. And so, for instance, Christianity has very
clear boundaries about marriage, sexuality, about about things like.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
You know, what is righteous, what is unrighteous.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
About honesty and the truth, and how to treat one another.
Paganism doesn't have this, although Pagans might try to invent
some sort of code or process for that many have tried.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
It has the flexibility.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Without these defining you know, without the defining text of
the Word of God, to sort of be whatever you
want it to be. You can create your own path,
and so you can be an LGBT, you know, a
witch who believes in you know, sho, and you can
kind of just pick and choose what you want to
create this hybrid, much like a you know, a buffet,

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you know at a restaurant, to just get a little
bit of everything and just shape it in a way
that works for you. Christianity isn't like that. It requires
dying to yourself and you know, bowing, you know, your
need to the King of Kings and the Lord of lords,
submitting to him as lord over your life. He is
the arbiter of truth over our life, not ourselves. It's
not a self deification. So paganism is attractive because there

(11:30):
is this false sense of self empowerment, of really self
deification that I get to decide what gender I am,
I get to decide when does life start in the womb.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
I get to decide who lives and who dies.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
And these are sort of the values that we're seeing
especially in this not just only paganism, but in this
what I would call a critical paganism, Paganism plus Marxism
that is becoming kind of this dominant force, you know,
that is driving I think much of the younger generation forward.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
It's interesting because I think you're right, that is a
philosophy that is that is being grabbed onto or whatever
want ideology. But I think there is also and TPUSA
has been a major part of this.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
There is also a.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Revival, including among young folks. I spoke at at a
high school group recently that they were forming at Stratford
High School, which is which is here in Houston, and
and some some parents were trying to keep them from forming,
which really is just odd. It's a student organization. You
can have whatever you want. But I spoke there, and

(12:35):
I'm in a studio all day. I live more of
the rush Limball lifestyle. I'm sure you are out and about,
and I know Charlie was out and about every day.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
I don't get out and about the way I used to,
but I did for that and the energy I felt
from these young people, it was just I wanted to
bottle it. It was beautiful, it was wonderful, fresh faced
optimism and values. It was really just inspiring. And I
see now why Charlie did it. But I also see
rivaling what you were talking about the young people in

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this paganism and socialism. I also see revival amongst young people,
a separate set of young people, and that's inspiring. That's
exciting to me.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, I think the two things can be true at once.
And certainly, you know nobody anticipated this, that the martyrdom
of Charlie Kirk spark this Christian revival, that it's pushing
back against I think this attempt to bring America to
this post Christian place, and it's turning back the clock
on that a little bit. It's not that it's no
longer an issue. It's certainly still a threat. But we

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have this, you know, this temporary right spot right now
that's creating a lot of you know, hope and opportunity.
And I think that you know, it's important to recognize
that we can't spark revival as humans, but only God
can do that, but we can steward it. And so
what we're trying to do is work with our churches
and pastors across you know, tpsa faith on really how
to steward you know, the moment that we're in so

(13:54):
we can see this be effective. There are lots of
hearts and minds to change. You know, we work with
about eight thousand churches, but there's over three hundred and
fifty to four hundred thousand churches.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
In this nation.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
So even though we have a large group of pastors
we work with, it's still only a fraction the pastors
in this country, and many of these pastors are still
pastors that either are afraid to work with us, they're
afraid to speak out on these topics or their pastors
that aren't. They've you know, rejected biblical ideas. They're now
flying you know, BLM and Pride flags above the cross,
and they have really become traitors, I think, to the faith,

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you know, in that sense. And so you know, there's
still a lot of work to do. I'm optimistic God
wins in the end. It doesn't mean the church in
America always thrives. We've seen the church in Europe where
it's faltered, and we have buildings that now act as
these you know, once meccas of you know, Christian spirituality
that are now becoming you know, in many times they're

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being bought out by Muslims and becoming kind of new
meccas for the Islamic faith, you know, in these beautiful
old cathedrals that have been lying dormant for some time.
And so you know, this, this could be America's future
if we don't stand strong and and you know, continue
this this fight for the faith that defend it in
the face of these pagan ideologies.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I will close with a question for you, Pastor Lucas Miles,
and that is a very personal question. Is there an
aha moment you came to in your life that you
found that your ministry, your your walk, your marriage, your health,
that was something that changed. Maybe it was more sleep,
maybe it was more water, Maybe it was prayer in
the morning, maybe it was a walk. Is there some

(15:28):
aspect of your life personally that you would share that
may help someone else?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, I would say just you know, honestly, even going
back just more maybe more recently, the assassination and murder
and martyrdom with Charlie, I think was aha moment for
a lot of people. And what it did for me,
among other things, was it reminded me that life is
a vapor. As much as we worry about our health
and our sleep, and you know, our nutrition, and those

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are good things to think about, certainly, but as much
as we worry about those things, those are things that
are not going to lie last for eternity. What is
going to last for eternity is the impact that you
make on a person's heart with the Gospel. And it's
easy to get so focused on the things of this
world that we lose sight of what really matters and
what had lasting power. And I think that Charlie's a
reminder for us of a life well lived and a

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life focused on what matters, and so it's just you know,
I said, I've said many times that I'm a different
person after September tenth.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
I think a lot of us here at turning point
are and iron it. I want to just focus more
on really what it.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Means to die to myself and to live for Christ
and to do the work necessary today. Not to try
to earn salvation, we can never do that, but to
try to help others, you know, find their hope in Jesus.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
W you're listening to Michael Berry show.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
I know this is going to sound dorky to some folks,
and I'm okay with that, but to some folks that
will resonate. Sometimes I think to myself, there was a
moment in time, not so long ago, in the history
of mankind where that song did not exist. It didn't exist,

(17:06):
and it wasn't a fade of company that it was
going to exist. It didn't have to exist. A lot
of things had to happen for every song that you know,
Amazing Grace, the Star Spangled Banner, it doesn't it didn't
have to exist, but once it is brought into the world,

(17:27):
it is there. And now with recording technology, technology, It's
there really forever. It's there to be shared and enjoyed
and criticized and picked apart and covered and played live.
It's a beautiful, beautiful thing when you think about it.

(17:50):
There was a moment where that song didn't exist, and
then there was a creative process. You know, George Martin
is in there and he's going I change this. How
about how about what about we bring the drums in early?
And if you're not a music person like Michael, could

(18:10):
you just move on. I say that because this is
true of everything.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
There was.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
There was a moment where lasagna didn't exist, and somebody
is messing around and there we go. There was a
moment when the margarita didn't exist, or when Pepperoni pizza
didn't exist, or when democracy as we know it today,
our version to the republic, didn't exist. And I say

(18:39):
that because the role of government in our economy to
stifle innovation. Ask anybody who owns a business how much
energy they spend just trying to keep the government from
shutting them down. They have to be like a naughty schoolboy,

(18:59):
hiding half of what they're doing to keep the government
from shutting them down. In one way or another. If
you've traveled to a third world country, you realize that
in many ways, the richest people in those countries don't
have what some of the poorest people in our country do.
Not plentifully. I don't know I plentifully, so I don't

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know if you can make plentiful into an adverb, not amply,
not abundantly. You have to create an environment. Industry is
not our enemy. Industry creates things that, if we choose,
can bring us joy. Now, many of those are material things.

(19:45):
Some of those things are purely physical. Lasik surgery for us.
How many people's lives have been made immeasurably better from
what has now become a commonplace procedure. I get complaints
in Houston because my show sponsor his names doctor Jeff Witson,

(20:07):
because people procrastinate and they finally they're seventy five years
old and they find out that they got cataracts, and
they go, ah, Michael Berry told me about this guy,
this doctor friend of his, who can do this procedure
that's like Lasik for old people, and it will remove
your cataracts. Obviously it's a lens replacement, and it's so

(20:29):
calmon I mean, think about this, a lens replacement, something
so delicate as the lens on an eyeball, and all day,
every day, they.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Just toop tooptoop, choop, boomtoom. All right, you're done.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Wait what, friend of mine, he said, all right, want
you to sit here for a few minutes and make
sure you're all good, and they'll escort you out to
the waiting room and want you to wait there for
twenty minutes and you're good to go. And my buddy said,
wait what, Yeah, you're done.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, it was literally, I mean, it could have been
measured in seconds. And his life changed. No more glasses.
Now he has to wear God Kareem Abdul Jabbar goggles.
Because we play pickleball together and we like to hit
each other. That's part of it. And you're right, a

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pickleball doesn't hurt that much. But you don't want to
be hitting the eye with it, you really don't. But
you think about these innovations, the food you like. We
take for granted. In fact, we live in such a
land of plenty that we criticize how much we have.
We criticize how much we have that we've become too materialistic.

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You know who's not materialistic? Poor people in poor countries.
They don't get to be materialistic. They spend all their
hours just trying to subsist until they mercifully die and
hopefully don't suffer too much in the process. There are
people around the world suffering. We have created an environment

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that is now under attack. But we have created an environment.
We're smart people, innovative people, clever people, resourceful people create
things for our enjoyment. Yeah, you got to pay for it.
Sometimes it costs more than you can afford.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
That's okay.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
It doesn't harm you that someone else can afford it
and you can't. You don't need to be resentful of that,
because every time you feel that way, just remember this,
there's always somebody beneath you, on the pecking order who
you have certain things that they can't afford. The fact
that you own an automobile, the fact that you own
a house, the fact that you can even go on vacation,

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well it's not a fancy vacation. At the fact that
you can.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Even do it.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
There's all always somebody. As my mother used to the
old rodeo line, there ain't a horse that hadn't been Rode.
There ain't a cowboy that hadn't been throwed.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
It's true. Kind of puts it all into perspective.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
So the rock paper scissors, anybody can win, anybody can lose.
But we have to get back to the fundamentals of
appreciating all the wonderful things. And I say this because
we are at real risk of a retrograde future. We're
at real risk of heading backwards. You know, it's always

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been the American dream that your children will quote unquote
do better than you. That means whatever it means to you,
have more things, make more money, be happier, whatever that is.
I don't believe we're at that point. And I think
part of that is we've removed a lot of the struggle.
Young people today don't work. My kids have been working

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from an early age on projects we do. I have
a family of a business that I created for my
family where we do We do travel trips, and my
boys work in that business with me, and they've learned
the business. They study the p and ls, they understand
the finances. They ask questions like why, you know, why
do we do this? Well, that's an attractive portion of

(24:22):
the trip. It makes people want to join the trip. Well,
what if we cut down These are the kind of
questions kids should be asking from an early age, and
parents should be teaching. By the way, everybody's a teacher.
If you're not teaching your children, if you're not constantly
teaching your children, fix that today. Can your daughters and sons, ladies,

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Can your daughters and sons cook every dish you can
put me?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
If not, why not?

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Who's ever going to teach them? From Levisians to librarians,
everyone listens Michael Arry Show, when mankind lived in caves
to get away from the elements, a rugged life, think
about it, and then began the process of finding, of

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creating dwellings. To the point now we're so advanced that
we have all these materials we use that can be
bent or stacked or formed, all the conveniences. Those were
not created by government. They were created by individuals. And

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they were not created, mind you, with a sense of
philanthropy or a sense of public service. I am reminded
by the great line of the second greatest written work
of the year seventeen seventy six, and that is The
Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith, when he said it

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is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer,
or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from
their regard to their own interest. Their regard to their

(26:20):
own interest. This is fundamental to everything we talk about
every day. It is fundamental to everything you watch on
Newsmax or Fox TV tonight, regard to their own interest.
When our government and our citizenry does not appreciate and

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respect that people act in their own interest, when we
do not applaud that as natural to the carrying on
of life, to the functioning of our system, that's when
we fail because socialism seeks to undermine that. Socialism seeks

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to tell you that everyone should have exactly the same
and what it ensures is that everyone will be equally poor.
That's what ends up happening. But the regard to our
own interest is what drives everything. If you drive a truck,
the thought of driving a little car is probably distasteful

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to you. But what if we required that if you
drive a little car, is you like a small vehicle
you can zip around.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
In and take up much space.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
The thought of driving a big f two fifty or
a big Chevy Silverado, it doesn't sound very pleasant to you?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Does it?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
There are lots of things like this, but it is
the respect for the individual choices of what is in
their best interest. And this is where I get frustrated
when people say, you ought not be able to smoke.
Why it's not good for you? Okay, how about we

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make sure that everyone understand that it's not good for
you to smoke, and then we let them make a
decision if they're an adult.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
No, no, my dad died of a lung cancer.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Okay, my mom died of als Should we not let people?

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (28:34):
What are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Other people's parents died in a car wreck. Should we
now outlaw automobiles? This is stupid, This is stupid thinking.
But what has happened is we have not trained our
people on how to think, because the individual is the
government a collection of individuals. When we don't teach the

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values and principles that underlie the bedrock the foundation of
our system, we end up with people making decisions and
supporting candidates and causes and sitting on juries without an
understanding of why we do what we do and what
makes our system work so well. Our system doesn't work well,

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as some people think because we're over here and they're
over there.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Our system would work anywhere. That's just it.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
A great offensive scheme is one that can work without
having the all star team, great fundamentals coached well, and
it works. Our system works. We have given that system
to the world to varying degrees of success, because in

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many cultures around the world, they can adopt self going governance,
but they don't. You see this when the must when
the Muslim Brotherhood came into Egypt, when when the Egyptian
government was was ousted and you all of a sudden

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had the Muslim Brotherhood. Because there is a failed American
foreign policy that believes that self governance everywhere is a
good thing.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I don't because I believe that there are certain cultures
where self governance is going to lead to tyrannical governance
that is antithetical to our interests, and our foreign foreign
policy should be in our interests. I am America first,
in America only. I am not America first. And also

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we will be beholden to Israel or Saudi policy, or
Ukrainian policy or anything else. I am America first and
America only. And to the extent that our relations with
other countries can aid our own prosperity and are consistent

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with our fundamental principles, then yes we will make alliances,
but we will not fight their wars, and we will
not send aid. Good grief, What are we doing sending
aid to countries? What level of arrogance do we have?
Why are we taking your money, your neighbor's money and

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sending it to somebody in another country. By the way,
they deduct a portion of what we're sending, and that's
why we're sending it. It's never about the end user.
It's about the people that can get paid in the meantime.
Once these industries come up. This is often true of
charities as well. But once you get these organizations and

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departments of the State department, for instance, whose job it
is to administer these funds to foreign countries, well, now
they need more money because if we drive up the
funds and they don't have a job.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
So in order for them to.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Have a job, they fight to keep the aid flowing,
the spigot wide open. And so now we have to
throw money at countries. And so then it gets down
to some of the ridiculous stuff. We start studying the
underside of the testicles, of a Rwandan man to encourage
homosexuality acceptance. You see some of these grants that we're

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giving out, and you go, I'm not sure what's worse
that the money doesn't get to him but was asked for,
or that it does. Where How did we fall so
short that somebody thought that was a good thing to
vote for.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I'd be ashamed to even ask for that. Even Alice
has left for him vision. Thank you, and good night.