PM Show Hr 2 | Victor Davis Hanson: Why Trump Won the 2024 Election

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and loud change
from Michael Very show is on the.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Air, replace where we went, the carry and the sense
of joy. I know it's incredibly disappointing now and look candidly,
it's it's a bit scary because there's a very different
vision that's being put out there.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
And tonight we're getting some new details about that Trump
Trudeau dinner from two people who were at the table.
We are told that when Trudeau told President like Trump
that new tariffs would kill the Canadian economy, Trump joked
to him that if Canada can't survive without ripping off
the US to the tune of one hundred billion dollars
a year, then maybe Canada should become the fifty first

(00:50):
state and Trudeau could.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Become It's got.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
We are huge fans of the Victor Davis cancers, and
I decided long ago that our show was not just
going to be me yammering, that when we found good things,
we would share them with you. You know, back when
Matt Drudge was at his most influential in the Drudge Report,
Drudge didn't write hardly anything. What he did is he

(01:34):
went out and found interesting things and that was a
place to go and he would curate it. But we
kind of view our show that way. We're a team
of folks, not just me, and while I do most
of the talking, a lot of it is somebody else's
idea on our team, or something I've read or something
I've heard. So what we thought we would do today
during this last hour of the show, and maybe we'll

(01:56):
take up the whole hour.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
We'll see is h.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Victor Davis Hansen, and we will not be able to
get to all of it on the show today, and
it was my intention to, But today we pulled just
some of my favorite.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Parts of this.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
Discussion on why Trump won the twenty twenty four election,
and I think he's done a wonderful job explaining some
things that you might not have noticed but that you
were a part of.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
One of Australia's top journalists, Paul Kelly, has just said
this about the American election. The wide swathes of Middle
America knew Trump wasn't any saint, but they turned the
electoral matte red because they endorsed his bedrock positions that
living standards were in retreat, inflation was too high, borders

(02:49):
were not secure, and elites were too arrogant. Is that
a fair assessment.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I think it's a very fair it's a very accurate assessment.
I think they also saw that the occasional crudity of
Donald Trump was almost a mechanism and their desperation that
was necessary to get the attention of the elites. In
other words, they wanted somebody who wouldn't equivocate and didn't

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come from that milieu. And so they were really saying,
your agenda has no support, and yet you're ramming it
down our throats, so you won't listen to us, and
you make fun of us, You call us garbage, deplorables.
They were deemables, clingers, chumps, gregs. These are all pejoratives
at Biden and Obama and the Clintons of us. And

(03:40):
you forced us to do this. But we have now
a champion, and he's going to cut through all of
this and remind you that we run the country in
not Hollywood or the institutions, or's academia Silicon Valley. And
so they were in a complete bubble about what this
earthquake was about to hit them, or this storm. Everybody

(04:03):
could see it. I think some of them saw it
but the media felt in the last seventy two hours
maybe or four days, if they rigged a poll in Iowa,
or they said that it was dead even or that
the Senate was going to be held by the Democrats,
that would either get people to the polls or it

(04:25):
would raise money or create momentum. But John, there were
so many indicators that would prove what mister Kelly said
that the registrations were an all time high for Republicans.
They had gained six hundred thousand registrations since the last
time they contested Pennsylvania in twenty twenty. They had been

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completely dumbfounded in twenty twenty on non election day balloting,
and yet they had more people non election day ballot.
They mastered the art of early and mail in ballot
than the Democrats. They got almost twenty five percent of
black males. That really and then that wasn't really the

(05:09):
key statistic. Black males who did not vote for Donald
Trump stayed home, and so these big centers that they
count on to swarm rural areas in Detroit, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia
were not there in sufficient numbers. They said there was
a female gap and that Donald Trump was a sexist
and he had alienated women. He got in many states,

(05:30):
he got more suburban white women than he did than
did Harris. The Hispanic vote, and we've talked about that.
I had never seen a and I live in a
Mexican American community overwhelmingly so. But I had not talked
to a Mexican American over the age of forty male

(05:51):
male who was going to vote for Kamala Harris. And
that had not been true. In twenty sixteen. They even
had the Omish going out. They worked the Arab American
Muslim vault, they split the Jewish vault, which usually is
seventy thirty. All of that was known to the pollsters
and to the media, and yet they kept telling us
that Donald Trump was dumbfounded by Saturday Night Live, that

(06:16):
Donald Trump had threatened to kill Liz Cheney, that Donald
Trump wanted to kill the media, and they didn't. Everybody
got sick of them. They didn't like to be lectured to,
and they knew what was going to happen. Everybody that
I knew from the middle classes thought Donald Trump was
going to win, and I could feel it.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
The pick to the reality is it looks to be
the case from here all the money, all the celebrities,
all the so called influences. Most of the media were
absolutely one sided and painting Trump as a threat to democracy.
This is surely actually in the end a win for
democracy because people saw brutal. They had not the mugs

(07:03):
that the elites take them to be.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
No, they, as you say, they had academia, Hollywood entertainment,
the celebrities, the money, Wall Street, the foundations. All they
lacked was the people because their agenda they had lied
to the American people. They had said Donald Trump was
a disruptor, a disuniter, and we under old Joe Biden

(07:30):
from Scranton in twenty twenty will unite the country under moderation,
And that was a complete lie. They used him as
a vessel and empty vessel for an Obama extreme agenda
of open borders with no health or background checks, twelve
million illegal aliens, uninhabitable downtown of our major cities. They

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were overridden with crime, an attack on fossil fuels, nuclear power.
A disaster was foreign policy that you could define it
by the Afghanistan debacle, or the two wars in Ukraine
and Middle East, or the Chinese balloon or China threat
to plot in Taiwan.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
More Victor Davis Hanson, Why Trump won the twenty twenty
four I'm coming up. They remain scared to death of you,
and they remain scared to death of Trump.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Michael Barry Show. You're not going anywhere even if Trump does.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
You're not.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
So I'm turning over some of our space.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Is something we and that is Victor Davis Hanson's why
Trump won the twenty twenty four election. We thought it
was rather insightful and we wanted to share it with you.
We won't be able to get to all of it
on the show today. This is something that we I know, Ramon,
I got it. Yes, can I finish?

Speaker 4 (08:48):
So?

Speaker 5 (08:50):
Uh, it's amazing things I have to do while we're
most distracted me. Anyway, we thought it was really good
and so we pulled a few from it. In case
you don't get to listen to the entire Saturday podcast here,
here's Victor Davis Hanson on why Trump won the twenty
twenty four election.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
Did you see yourself or imagine such a dicasive victory?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Did I imagine the victory such a defaucion victory?

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Is?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, I thought he had a good chance of winning
the popular vote just because if you have a Republican candidate,
and the way it works here, as you know, they
lose the urban areas and the minority votes, and they
count on the rural areas. And under the Obama massaging,

(09:41):
those urban areas had reached such a you know, when
Obama ran in twenty twelve against Romney for reelection, he
won one precinct in Philadelphia, very dubiously, so thirty thousand
to one. How can you ever make that out When
you hear that Donald Trump was going to get half

(10:05):
of the Latino vote, or he was going to get
twenty five percent of the Black vote, or he was
going to get union people or the United auto Workers
or the Teamsters. That hasn't happened here. And this was
a man that they said was racist and polarizing and hateful.

(10:29):
And then when you saw that suburban white women were
going over him at the time, we were told all
they care about his abortion on demand. Yeah, you can
see that he had made inroads. And you had to
superimpose that fact on the reality that unlike a Bob
Dole or Mitt Romney or John McCain, he had a

(10:51):
fanatical base in rural and small town America, and I
mean fanatical is defined by they would do anything to
vote for him. If there's a hurricane in rural North Carolina,
it didn't matter. They were going to get out and
win in that state. Nobody had ever seen such loyalty
by these irredeemables. These were the people of East Palestine

(11:14):
and Ohio that the administration completely ignored when they had
a toxic fume. They are the people that were in
the hurricane damage that they were very tardy in helping.
And so I think it's a very good lesson because
it's democracy and representative democracy in its best formed. You

(11:35):
know what. Another irony we were told John that with
the National Voters Compact that the Blue states had were
only sixty one votes short of getting rid of the
electoral College, which has a lot of constitutional protections in
it and has a long history of utility for both sides.

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And these state legislatures had voted to go around the
amendment process, which they could never do. You need two
thirds of Congress, three fourths of the state and just
have the states adhere to the national vote and reject
the state vote. Because they were sure they were going
to win the national vote. And they had won the

(12:17):
national every national vote since two thousand and four, for
twenty years, and they hadn't They a Republican hadn't gotten
fifty one percent of the majority vote since nineteen eighty eight.
And guess what. Donald Trump was the first person in
twenty years on the Republican side to win the popular vote.
He will probably be the first republicans' ninety eighty eight

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to win fifty one percent of the popular vote. And
all the states that swore in pass legislation they would
unconstitutionally reflect the national vote. They're not doing it. California
is pledging all of its electors to Harris, who won
the states as they should. So the more that the

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aftermath is really making the left look pretty bad. He moved.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
Trump moved quite quickly in his acceptance speech, victory speech,
whatever you might choose to call it, to say that
he would seek to heal America, given that he may
in fact have secured that first majority vote for so
long and so forth is in a position to do so.

(13:29):
America looks so bifurcated, so at war with itself. I mean,
the constant him as a fascist, I have to he is.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
People apparently don't know what the word means. Oh. I
must remember that after twenty sixteen, after they were he
and Hillary, she was calling him a Russian agent and
he was calling her quicken Hillary. Everybody thought that, given
she had destroyed thirty thousand emails and the devices upon

(14:01):
them and they were under subpoena, that he would have
the do j goo after And when he say the
first thing he said, she's suffered enough, people went to
him and said, you've got to fire James Comey, the
director of the FBI. He tried to sabotage. I'm not
going to do that. He never did any of that.
But how can he heal the country when Latita James,

(14:22):
a prosecutor in New York who tried to bankrupt him,
has said that she's going to press down. How can
you do when Alvin Bragg at the end of the
month is going to try to put him in jail
and Jack Smith has re indicted him a federal prosecutor
for all of these were minor matters. That know whether
prosecutor would have picked up They've never done it against
the next president. And now we're facing a situation where

(14:45):
the left is openly saying, well, we may have lost
the election, but maybe Fanny Willis or Latita James or
Alvin Bragg or Jack Smith can put him in jail,
and that would cause the constitution crisis. He's been two
people try to shoot him. People are very afraid of

(15:06):
his health in the next ninety days until he takes power.
Everybody had heard a new Kamala Harris that had rejected
thirty years of her radical, very radical socialist agendas to
be palatable. But everybody now is so cynical. They know

(15:26):
that when she has ninety days left on her vice
presidential tenure, she'll just revert back to what she was
before the campaign. So the hostility is coming from the left,
and it's always been that way in this cycle of
politics that we've seen. There's something about Donald Trump that

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and you see it in your country. You see it
in Europe. Among wealthy elites, educated elites. They feel that
he you should not represent them, even though he has
constitutionally won that privilege of representing, they still don't want
him to be represented by.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Him more Victor Davis Hanson Why Trump won the twenty
twenty four.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Americans a nation that can be defined in a single word.
I was going to pot him number nine not only
authentic frontier.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Gibbery expressed the.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Scene of the state of the Michael Barry Show.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
Mostly I talked too much and just to play it.
So here is why Trump won the twenty twenty four election.
These are some clips we pulled from Victor Davis Hanson
that we really liked. But here give it a listen.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
He will return to Washington, presumably vastly more experienced.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
He now.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
Knows I think how the place works. Yes, and he
will know. I would imagine who are real change agents
and who to put, who to build around him if
you'd like a good team around himself, that presumably with
a sympathetic House and Congress, as it appears he will have.

(17:09):
The Cynics might say that will give him unfettered power.
Others might say it will help him govern in a
very clean way. To respond, let's face it to America's
vital concerns. The economy is not doing well for them,
immigration is a problem, and the elites and their workism
are mad. He will know now much more effectively how

(17:32):
to start to change these things.

Speaker 7 (17:34):
Would that be a fair assessment? Yeah, I think it
is he doesn't see that as radical. He sees that
he's called it common sense. He's taken example of Mexico.
Mexico is sent by deliberation twelve million illegals.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Here. We have three hundred and fifty thousand people with
criminal records that were knowingly let in from Latin America
and Mexico. They've committed horrendous crimes. We have the cartels
that have killed indirectly but by design in a way,
by masking fentanyl with prescription drugs and candy, even one
hundred thousand Americans. And Biden was so afraid to say

(18:10):
anything to Mexican first. Saint Trump said, and he even
said it before the election. I'm going to call the
president of Mexico up and I'm going to say, no
more fentanyl and no more illegalation immigration. I'm going to
slap a twenty five percent tariff on you, and I'm
going to probably tax your remittance. If you get sixty billion,
we'll see how you like it. And he's serious about that.
He's not trying to bully people, but he does things

(18:32):
like that. So if you have an international incident where
Australia isn't a very vulnerable to take your country and
they feel that they need the support and encouragement of
the United States. He's not going if he believes that.
If he were to agree with you, he's not going
to call up and say, well, on the one hand,
on the other hand, he would say, what do you need,

(18:54):
when do you need it, and I'll do it. And
that's the type of ally he is. He's not wish
you and that's what bothers the left. They think in
nuances are in gradations and incrementalism. He's not that. For
better or worse. He's very decisive. He's not reckless, but
he's very decisive, and he moves very decisively with China,

(19:16):
with Russia, with the radical Islamic world. And if you
think what he said he was going to do in
two thousand and fifteen, he said he was going to
get rid of Isis and in fact they use the bulgarity,
I'm going to bomb the shi t out of them.
He said he was going to deal with the Iranians
who had killed Americans in Iraq. That was Solomani. He

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said that he was going to cut off Iran and
brankrupt him. He almost did. He would have if they
hadn't uplifted the sanction, all of those things he did.
And I was talking to, you know, to some Israelis diplomats,
and they said, we've had so many sophisticated people who
knew the Middle East, and we've asked them for support,
and they always give us a thousand reasons why they

(19:58):
couldn't do it. And they were asking me, as an American,
what is it with your president? He came over here
and our team said to him, we'd like to finally
get the embassy in Jerusalem. He said it always belonged there.
And then they said they keep talking about the Golden Heis,
but Israeli. He said, yes, it is, that's done. And
then they said in Iran is the cause of all

(20:20):
these problems. Is there any chance that we could discuss
the Iran deal or the one hundred billion in oil revenue.
He said, they're done, We're out of the Iran deal.
We're going to get this. And then they would say
things like the Huthis are terrorists, but no American would
wants to ruffle their Well, we'll just call them terrorists.
And as this diplomat spoke to me, he said he

(20:43):
did more for Israel that needed to be done, not
just because he liked Israel, but we're fair and we're
for the greater good of the Middle East. He did
more in two months than the last fifty years of
American presidencies. And he said the odd thing about it
was he probably was not a sophisticated are as well
read in the intricacies and the nuances of Middle East

(21:04):
history and diplomacy, but he had an innate, I mean,
and sense of morally what had to be done and
why it wasn't done. And so that's why he's kind
of you know, yo to Israel today and he doesn't
mention Israel much, he doesn't really talk about it, but
when you go to Israel, he's almost a sainted figure
because he did more for the autonomy of Israel than

(21:26):
any other president has done, and yet he didn't really
He may John have got forty percent of the Muslim
vote in Michigan, the more the left pan or two. Yeah,
he did. Part of it was one of his daughters
in the West.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
We do have a look in the wish that there
are many many people in the Middle East who are
quality cheering Israelan because they're frightened of Iran.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yes, he did, and he was He made the argument
that Hamas does not represent or it may have been
elected once, but it's not in the interests of the
people of Gaza that Iran. If you cut off the
head of the snake, then people would be free to
deal with Hesbalon and Hamas and the Hutis a lot
of people from the Middle East appreciate that, and so

(22:14):
I think it's an exciting time. We'll see if he
gets good people around him. One of the problems that
when you talk to people surrounding him in twenty sixteen,
no one wanted to work for him, the Maverick, the Outsider.
Twenty twenty, it was sort of he had a team.
Now they're getting six and seven applications for even minor position.

(22:35):
Everybody wants to work for Donald Trump. And I don't
know if he's going to be able to filter out.
But suddenly the thing in Washington is all of these
never Trump. Anybody wants to be part of this team.
They're very excited and they're going to have a terrible
time trying to find people who will not do what
happened last time with the anonymous the person in Homeland

(22:58):
Security that was bragging to the New York Times, and
he was sort of an insurrectionist and derailing executive orders
or people in the Defense Department that we're overriding Trump's orders.
He's got to get a team that is loyal, but
he's got so many people that want to participate.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
He did say, as I understand it, at one point,
that Israeli should go after Iran's nuclear capability. Presumably he's
likely to revisit that, and presumably the Iranians are now
deeply concerned because plainly they've been hit much harder already

(23:38):
by the Israelis, and they're admitting plainly they now know
that Israeli is highly effective with American encouragement. I would
have thought the Israelis could do a men's damage to
Iran and they would be extraordinarily subdued by that.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
At the moment, Yeah, I would say that because of
you have a lot of people RFK Tulci Gabbard around him,
and he is campaigned strenuously against optional military wars in
the Middle East, especially land engagements. Cost of benefit analysis,

(24:14):
these are not worth it. But as I understand, his
message to net Yahoo is it would be better for
you if you feel that Iran is going to attack
you again, either to write it out and then take
it in retaliation. Given the Trump to take out the

(24:35):
nuclear facilities, their military bases, they're oil before I'm president,
that would be easier. So that is the message that
I think he's telling me.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Israelis more Victor Davis Hanson, Why Trump won the twenty
twenty four elected.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Coming up.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
And listen to the Michael Berry Show.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Good that.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Final segment of the show.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
We don't normally do serious in the last segment of
the show, but today I wanted.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
To get to this. It's really good.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
It's important that we understand why we won this election.
What did Gordon Bethoun say, Tell him what you're going
to do, do it, and then tell them what you did.
It's important that we own the narrative of why we
won this election.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
We know, of course that he he doesn't like the
leader of North Korea very much, refers to him as
a little rocketman. Little Rocketman appears to be supplying mercenaries
and quite substantial numbers to Russia. I would imagine Trump
will be onto that one very quickly.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I think so he was last time. Even there, though
he confounded the left The left started out saying that
he was too mean, he was too reckless. When he
said my button's bigger than yours. He came in where
North Korea was just being a very useful bulldog. That
the I'm a master cut loose and caused havoc, and

(26:02):
then China kind of chuckled about it. And when they
started threatening to send missiles into the West Coast, Trump
was alarmed and said, I have a bigger button than
you do, and we can do the same thing to you,
and ours will work. He said, ours will work. The
left went crazy, and then he did what everybody who
read any of his books or followed his career knew

(26:24):
he would do. He wrote a letter to North Korea
and said, this is not in your interest to be
on the wrong side of my administration. I'm willing to talk.
They talked, and then he did exactly what he wrote
about in his books. He said, I like mister Kim
Jong un. We can cut a deal. I didn't find
him to be a monster. If you read anything he

(26:46):
wrote about. That's what he always said. When you make
a deal, you do not insult your opposition. And then
when you make the deal, you make sure you get
an advantage, and then after the deal is over, you
did not vivately ridicule him, that you praise him to
the skies. And that's exactly what he does. So I

(27:06):
would imagine that he would tell Kim Jong un in
stage one, what you're doing is unacceptable. If you keep
doing it, it's going to end badly for you. Then
stage two is I'm willing to make a deal, and
then make some kind of deal and then praise Kim
Jong un. And that's where the left came in and said,

(27:27):
look at this, he's praising a dictator, even though he
had just they had just told us that he's deliberately
antagonizing a dictator. They had no idea the modus operandi
of how he works. But it was working, and it
worked with Putin, and it worked with Chi and we
didn't have a war, and it worked with the radical islamanses.

(27:49):
As soon as he did this, he said, Iran is
an outlaw nation. He killed Solomani. No one even dared
to do that. He bombed the crap, he said, out
of Isis. And then he Iran called him up and said,
you've made us look ridiculous. And Trump said, well, I'm
about ready to hit you. And they said, can we
send sixteen or seventeen missiles over to you in Iraq

(28:12):
and Syria and get close to your base, will tell
you the time and the location. Put everybody in and
it'll save it. So he said, yeah, as long as
you don't kill one American. If you kill one American,
we're going to send a salvo. So there's some disagreement.
The military felt some people suffered shell shock from the
but the Iranians basically did what they said they were

(28:34):
going to do it. It was a put tempkin attack.
And then Trump didn't cause a war, but Iran behaved,
and then he put sanctions on and yet they criticized
him for that. They said he was provoking a war
with Iran. And then when Iran didn't do anything and

(28:55):
back down, and they said, well, they send missiles in
and he didn't reply to them. He didn't care about America.
So we got to the point whatever he did they
were going to criticize, but it all had utility, and
they haven't come up with any formula solution that improved
on his own. And as soon as he left the
world fell apart. It really did.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
What does bring us to presidency. There's a general view
in many quarters at the next four or five years,
in other words, during the next presidential term. Well, it
is the most dangerous time of all the warnings that
the Chinese military has been told to be ready by

(29:40):
twenty twenty seven to take Taiwan by force it necessary.
I would imagine that Trump's reelection is hardly being welcomed
in Beijing today.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
No, it is not welcomed. And of course, on the
far there was always a conspiracy theory because of the
lab nique that people felt. I don't subscribe to that,
but this is a sign of what the right thought
of China. They felt that the cold COVID that originated

(30:17):
in China was somehow connected to the Chinese fear of
dom fump and wanting them out. When in November of
twenty nineteen and it was almost sure that he was going
to be re elected, he was ahead of the polls.
He would have been re elected if it had not
been for COVID and the lockdown. And then the George
Floyd ryots, which I think in themselves were a result

(30:39):
of the lockdown their intensity. So China realizes that for
all the talk about there, they are ascendant, and they
are all powerful, and they have a bigger military. They
still have I think in most economists will agree that
they still have only about seventy to eight eighty percent

(31:00):
of our GDP. They have four times the population, and
of very crude for nations, that takes four Chinese workers
to approximate seventy percent of what one worker does in
the United States. We're a very productive society and in
many areas, for all of the Chinese stealing and copying,

(31:25):
we're much more pre eminent. And under Trump, I think
China will be faced with a lot of things that
is going to bother them. They have over three hundred
thousand students come here. Most people think two or three
percent are actively engaged in espionage. I don't think that's
going to continue. I think that they have a lot

(31:46):
of asymmetrical tariffs. They know that. I think for everyone,
Trump will try to outdo their tariffs. Not a blanket tarraff,
but a tit for tat. I think he will tell
the Chinese, if you go and bully the Taiwanese, or
the Philippines or any of our more prominent allies, we

(32:07):
have ways of retaliate. Against you, and we will do that,
and we wish you wouldn't do that. The thing about
it so strange is that under prior Republican administrators candidates
that believed in the same theory of deterrence as Trump,
there was kind of a bragadaccio that was different than Trump's.

(32:28):
They actually would kind of brag that we want to
go to war with him or something. Trump talks a
great game, but he does not want to destroy relations
with China or any of our adversaries. He just wants
to remind them that they have overreached and what they're
doing is not in their interests and they will stop it.

(32:50):
But he doesn't really want to go to war. And
there's no idea of going into Iraq or Afghanistan or
bombing Libya like Hillary did to create some type of utopia.
He doesn't have any dreams like that. It's all Jacksonian
and he wants to protect the Western world. And when

(33:14):
I go to Europe, it's very bizarre john to hear
people who are going to be beneficiaries of Trump's foreign
policy damn him and then praise people who would not
lift a finger to help Europe in a crisis or
would you know what Trump said to the Germans. You're

(33:38):
playing with fire with a Norstern pipeline number two, and
you're heavily dependent on natural gas, and we better stop
that for your own benefit.