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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Barry Show. Charlie Kirk was not afraid to
let his leaves down and take on the liberal media.
He joined Bill Maher's podcast, where they covered just about
everything because conversation is good. Charlie was really good at
making his points and backing them up without needing to
get angry. In this podcast, It's almost like he was
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interviewing Bill Maher on his own show, even though he
was Bill Maher's guest. And that is a very very powerful,
but subtle technique to pull off.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Here, I am here Kirk, rewarding for duty, That's what
they call me. How are you nice to meet you?
Thanks for having us us? Well, pardon me?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Is there someone with you? Thanks for having me? Not
expecting trouble? Are you not quite any travel with security? Unfortunately?
You doo yeah wow? Like what kind you know security? Well,
I'm sorry that you have to do that, but that's
the price of fame. And boy, you're you, I mean, man,
you're everywhere. Well like it now. It's true.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
We have different Gihati's that want to kill me. The
purple hair gihattis the woke guys.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
They want they kill me. They want to kill me
just as bad. Oh they really do.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
No, you you've been very outspoken on the woke stuff
they do.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yes, I mean, and they just the way within a
religion they hate their own apostates more. I would say
they hate me more because I'm supposed to get on
the short bust of crazy town with them and I won't.
And yet I'm still a liberal and still like you know,
I mean, we probably could argue all day about Donald
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Trump and what he's doing, which I'm not down with.
But you know, uh, it's always the people who are
closest to think, oh gosh, you shouldn't have you're a
traitor somehow.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Because they thought you were one of them, and that I.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Am one of them. They're not one of me. I mean,
it's the liberals of Jue.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
So that they've left you, you look well, I.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Think I feel like there's liberal and woke are two
completely different things. It was the theme of my last
stand up special that I just did a few months ago,
and it's basically I mean, it wasn't the whole special,
of course, but it was a large part of it
devoted to that, to proving that case that you know
what liberals believe woke is something completely different. It's very
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often the opposite of it. You know, Liberalism is let's
live in a colorblind society. That's the goal. Woke's goal
is we see race everywhere.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
In a subsession.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yes, okay, so that's not liberal. You change liberal is
they're a two state solution. Woke is river to the sea. Okay,
those are just don't take my word and say you're that.
You took this and took it to you got off
the f train, you fell asleep, and you got off
the twenty stops too far, and don't blame me for
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that drink no good, thank you. You don't drink or
smoke pot and you're married and super Christian. We're gonna
get along great.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
This is this is going to just be perfect.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
But can I just ask it because I want to
find out a lot about you, because you're you're obviously
a super bright guy. But you do think that I
have the right to live completely opposite than you do.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I think you can get as drunk as you'd like.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And you're you're that kind of an American, right You're not.
You're not forcing your opinions.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
As I'm not here to say you can't.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
What do you do? Okay, so you think pat should
be legal?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's a complicated I have a very unpopular view on pot.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Can I tell my case on pot?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Please do.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It's not the depression that it might be causing, or
the fact that might be hurting kids' brains. It's the smell.
It's the stench that drives me crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's not hurting their brains. I mean, kids shouldn't do it.
Of course kids shouldn't. Definitely hurt didn't hurt my brain.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
But let me yes, do you think that more more
teenagers are doing pot today or that before legalization? Or
you know what do you think you sage rates are
going up or down?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Answer.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Oh, you'll be fascinated by this because you know, I'm
not married, so I go out. So sometimes I'm out
with like people that were a great deal younger than me.
I don't know how they get in my group. They do.
And so I've been to sometimes parties like the Hollywood parties.
And this is probably not most of America exactly this way,
but I wouldn't be surprised if it's that different. And
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first of all, in this town, it's all run by,
like the Nepo babies, the Nepple babies, the trust Fund kids.
Is all these little funny two year old the JB.
Pritzker types. Well, no, no, I'm sure I know who
you mean. The governor of Illinois.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
He inherited the Hyatt.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh sure, well, baby, we've invented neo baby out here comes.
But yes, it's everywhere now, even on the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Hey, that's that's that's real privilege there. You know, you
got some privilege if you can get.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, okay, I don't want to I want Lebron met
at me like he is at my friend stephen A.
But I mean that is I you know. But the
point is that when you go out to these I've
been to these parties where like it's a bunch of
twenty two year old kids and none of them are
smoking pot. Why they're on real drugs pots. So like
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my generation, it's like I couldn't find pot at one
of these parties. I was the only were asking me
for it. A few kids want it, they're all they
take this this.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
They're psychedelicshrooms, lsc oh whatever, KETA mean that has some menist,
but not at a party.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
They're all, it's all ingested before they even leave the house.
So that's where the good newest parents. Your kids aren't
on pot, but they're they're on way worse. I think
they're on a big, big trip.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So but do you think that since we've legalized less
teenagers are doing like thirteen, fourteen, fifty ten year olds?
Because that was always the argument, right, did we legalize
it less kids would do it?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I don't know what fourteen year olds are doing.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, I don't know the answer.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I just that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
But we can agree that kids shouldn't that totally.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
But we also should be able to agree that we
shouldn't force adults to organize their lives around what kids
might get into.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's a good argument. I mean, do you think that it's.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean, you're not against porn, are you? Well?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I actually once struggled with porn. Thankfully I'm free of that,
but I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Can you struggle with it? I mean mean so easy?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, you could grow addicted to it. I mean it
can I was kidding nobody else. I mean, yeah, I
don't have that that issue anymore, thankfully, But I would
ask the question, though, like do you think since the
legalization of marijuana in LA, it's made it a better
or worse place to live, or just it hasn't changed
at all.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It certainly hasn't changed my life. Okay, I grow it
right outside here. Do you think this?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Do you think the quality of life has gone up
or down?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well? I don't know, but that's not really The relevant
question is even if there is a deleterious effect, there
is too many things we do and we would not
use that as a reason to prescribe our basic freedoms.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Should people I mean be able to do drugs? Should
we outside like on.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
The street or no, definitely not on the street.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So there are some limits, of course, limits yes.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And maybe of certain drugs, or certain drugs should be
by prescription, as we do with pharmaceutical drugs, you know,
but base but certainly pot is more as more benign
than alcohol. I mean, I could give you the stats
on that. We all know that is it health food? No,
I'm not crazy like some of my hippie friends are
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complaint trying to portray it as something that's actually good
for your lungs, But I don't think it's. Well, it's
a trade off when you're an adult. You have the
right to make trade offs. Trade offs the is the
essence of life. I'm going to have this piece of
cake tonight and be a little fatter tomorrow, or I'm
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not going to do that and feel better tomorrow. And
we all make those choices on a daily basis. With everything, Yes,
have I probably cut off some years of my life.
Maybe with POT. Who knows, I may have increased them
because it helped me. It made me certainly made me richer,
It made me better at my job, better at writing,
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better a lot of things I like to do. So
you know, I might be living in a two veteran
apartment in Van Nis if it wasn't for POT, and
I'm probably going to live longer.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Here, or who knows how successful you could have been
without it.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That's true too. That is true too.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Do you think there's any merit to the argument that
the pot is has more THC and it's more intense
than it was thirty forty years ago. It's so, I
don't know. I hear these things and oh I hear.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Those things too, And I'm sure that's true because once
it became as commercialized as it has. Of course you're
going to try to maximize the potency of it just
because the customer comes back. Just like a restaurant is
not interested in your health. They're interested in making the
food selling more product delicious as they can. So you've
come back to that restaurant. So but it's so hard
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for me to tell you because I've been smoking for
fifty years and I'm different. Who knows what I was thinking.
I mean, I remember when I first smoked, we would
just sit in the car and laugh at nothing for
an hour. That doesn't happen anymore. So my guess is
the pot is stronger, but my resistance is weaker. Hey,
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stop playing with your fanny pack.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
You need the bear skin tactical hood.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Okay, anyway, it's you know, I'm people think I'm some
sort of giant podhead. I've always been very circumspected about
my pot smoking. I mean, I don't smoke every day.
The most I smoke is right here once a week.
I like to be in party mode when I'm with someone.
I'm getting to know. This is one of the joys
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in my life. And you know, I understand that it
doesn't connect with some people or make some people paranoid
or something. But the people it's just I mean, you know,
some people like a scotch and some people like la
la lah, and some people like complete sobriety. If that's
your If that's your thing, that's fine. But to me,
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the most interesting place I can ever travel is inside
my own mind, and drugs do help you get there?
Is there?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Do you think all hard drugs should be illegal, like
heroin illegal?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
No? I mean, well heroin, is there any uses for it?
I mean, like for what.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
San Francisco did they suito legalized it, right, I mean
they said, hey, we're going to have make it easier
for you to do heroin.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
We shouldn't make it easy. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Where they had drug induction sites basically no, I know,
but that's that was called the policy position of Seattle,
Portland and San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's the low lying fruit for you right now, for you,
right question.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
No, But but isn't it I want it?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's the low lying fruit.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Who it's like, No, it's right to create a boundary.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And you're right, you know, I mean again, I'm for
picking that fruit too. It's silly to help drug addicts
be drug addicts and keep them on the street. It's
stupid to keep homeless on the street.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Oh, I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
There's another another way liberals are different than the wolk.
The liberal thing for forever was for compassion's sake, get
them off the street. That's not the wolf version. Their
version is they're an endangered species. Don't touch them in
their natural habitat, living under defecate.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Let them do whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It's their thing. And you know, I mean, there should
be nothing more basic than a government claiming the streets.
The streets are for the citizens. Then it's not the living.
Build a barracks. I mean, why are these things? Maybe
you can answer, why are these kind of things so difficult?
You think such common sense? Build a fucking barracks. I know,
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hollless people say they don't want to live there. You
don't have a choice. Oh we'll get robbed there, higher security,
it's pennies on the dollar. Why is it so difficult?
I feel like I, with no real knowledge of this field,
could do it. Could just if I had people who
would carry out my I would say, okay, get me specs.
I want to see where a place we could build it.
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I want to see what the barracks looks like I
want to see who works there, is it really and
the toilets whatever, And somebody must be Mitt Romney, somebody
who will be Olympics, somebody who could come in and.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Just know how to clean up the streets. I mean,
Gavin Newsom cleaned up the streets of San Francisco and
Gigipan showed up. I mean, it's just the act of
the will. They don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Right, like when they get the whoors up the street,
when the mayor is like doing whatever clean.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Up, or when the MLB All Star Game goes to Seattle,
all of a sudden, it's America's clean a city.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Right, So you're saying, if we can do it that
one day.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I think it's an act of the will. It's all
that it is. And it looked left woke. I won't
even say left it woke. Philosophy is they believe, they
don't really believe in private property, and at its core,
why shouldn't someone be able to defecate on the side
of the street. Who are you to judge?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, that's a woke Yes, maybe.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I'm saying woke not even liberal, right, I'm making that distinction,
which I think it's a fair distinction.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
That's another reason, another one we can add to the
list of woke is not liberal.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And I think left versus liberal or woke versus liberal
is an important distinction. Right, I will say, what makes
you different is few liberals stand up to the woke,
and that is that few liberals are willing to stand
up to woke.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Absolutely, and few conservatives stand up to Trump fair enough.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I mean, you can stand up or disagree, but I
guess you could say the question, well, is Trump woke?
Is an ideology? Is Trump an ideology? I mean, he's
a person, maga is an ideology, But I mean we
can I disagree with Trump on a lot of stuff.
I mean, I don't think we should go to Worth run.
I think there'd be a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Also when you get to we're going to send home
grown American citizens to foreign prisons? Oh see the thing
he said? You mean home grown Americans?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
No, And if he were to do that, I wouldn't
support great, But I don't. I think that is a
one liner that he gave to Bukell. I think that
is you met the man, Yes, do you think he
actually believes that, like he would.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Do that it's worse if he does, or would, It's
still horrible that an American president would say that. Look
me in the eye and tell me. If Obama had
said that, what your reaction would be.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Wouldn't like it, wouldn't like it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I think it would be a little more bitriolic than that.
We would be. We'd be apislectic. Okay. I'm just I'm
finding out how honest you are, Charlie, and so far
you're I think you're doing good, and I hope I'm
doing good with you, because if we don't have the honesty,
we can't really you know.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Look, but to be also to be fair to the
whole you know topic in general, the outrage around deportations
as we've seen, you know this these last couple of
you know, last couple of weeks is like the American
people voted for it, it's perfectly legal.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, they didn't vote for they don't vote for people
without any I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Do you mean that Maryland case is what you're talking about, right?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The guy who they're trying, who they se as thirteen member, Well,
there's no evidence that he's they don't they did not
present evidence. I mean, I don't really want to get
into the weeds on this one because I got to
do it on my show Friday. But and but the
Supreme Court, I guess we have to get into the
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weeds there.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You know, there is there's there's even new evidence in
the last couple of hours that I don't you you
you you lead the conversation. You tell me how deep
you want to go on?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Eh? None?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I mean, but I hope that if it comes to light,
let's put let me button it up this way. I
hope that if it does come to light that they're
really is no evidence that this guy was a gang member,
that he got swept up, which is very understandable that
when you do a sweep, when you're doing big things, yes,
there's nothing is going to go perfect. But if it
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does come to light, I would hope that some Republicans
have the spine to say, yeah, that's not right, that
this guy should not be there. I mean, the Bill
of Rights, it's pretty clear that you can't just disappear
people without any sort of trial. Well, but and deportation
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is not the same thing as sending someone to a prison.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
But you are allowed to deport under the Alien Enemy Zach, correct,
someone who is part of a recognized terrorist organization is
pretty close to a terrorist organism.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, okay, I mean you know you're you're bending all
these words.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Not an American citizen. You got to acknowledge that. No, absolutely,
so that's important. But he wasn't here illegally. He was
illegally the Maryland man, as long as we're not talking
about two different cases. Garcia, Yes, he was an the
illegal immigrant to the country.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I thought he was waiting for asylum.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Okay, you could be illegal waiting for assilum.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I see, so we okay, so they could deport him,
that's right, Yes, but we never did it, but to
a prison.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
It's an edge case. I acknowledge it's on the edge.
But good no, but the edge is so there's three
ways you can deport people. It could be the Alien
Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight, it can be.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Expert he used only three times.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
That's fine, But hey, look and you quote the First
Amendment all the time. That's from seventeen eighty seven. Right,
So old things are important. I'm just saying just but.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's when used, that's when used more than three times.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Fair enough, But just because things are old, doesn't mean
and I'm not saying no, you're using that talking pot.
But some people are trying to invalidate it just because
it's old. It's also expedited release.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
They're trying to invalidate because it doesn't really apply to this.
It's stretching.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I mean, how is MS thirteen not a terrorist organization?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah you can, Yeah, you can make.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
It trendy or ragua, I mean well organized.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Because because terrorism really is a political movement, it's it's
it's it's it means terrorizing the civilian population to achieve
a political goal. These guys just want to grab your locket.
You know, this is oh a lot more than that. Look,
I've said that all this stuff I don't like about Trump.
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I did it in my piece the other week when
I was talking about the meeting at the White House
that no, he was tweeting about me. I've never liked anything. No,
check the tape. There are things I like. And one
thing I liked was that the police are have their
morale back maybe now. And you know, when you live
in a city, it's not a good thing when the
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police lose their morale because they feel like they've been
painted with a bloodbrush, which they were after twenty twenty,
you know, and they're like, okay, yeah, And I've been
very critical of the cops when I think they did
bad things. But do I think that it's a racist,
you know, tack squad. It's not. There's issues. There's always
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issues in everything, and you know, when you insolve the
cops if a way of kind of brooding about it.
And it's just not a good place to be when
you're when you're a city dweller, and so you know,
I don't want to be killed by a gang member
because they do random killings, you know, just to as
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gang initiation so they can get the fucking tear drop
under their eye. Okay, I want to be someone's tear
drop tattoo, you know, Rando out to dinner. So I
get it, you know. I mean, these are the things
that lost the Democrats the election. You know, you've got
to take care of this shit.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And there's real Americans that die, I mean, Rachel Moore
and Can Riley, there's real I mean, Joscelyn Well.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Probably not at greater rates than are killed by regular Americans.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That's debated, but let's just put that aside. They shouldn't
be here, and so none of those murders to happen, right,
And so anyway back to the core question, does the
president have the ability to remove illegals that have come
here under an enemy gang? Of course he does. He
has the power given to him by that law.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
What's your background? I'm gonna have to like Larry King this.
You know what Larry King used to just famously, and
I love Larry. I did a show a billion times.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
He was a legend.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, and his thing was like, I don't prepare. I'm
like the regular guy who just wants to know. He's
curious about this person. So I don't know. So I
asked the questions that this person would ask you, trying
to kirk. You're thirty one years old.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
You're Jewish, right, No, yeah, that's Muslim.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Next, now you're married. How long you have been married?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It will be four years in May?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Wow? And kids? Two kids? Yeah? Two kids already.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well, we got to.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Work now, Charlie. It shouldn't be work, that's all I'm kidding.
I know, it's an enjoy work.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It's okay. We got in to the fundations and.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And and you're gonna have more God willing God willing
right right. And you know we don't see eye to
eye on the religion.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
D You know someone told me that I got I.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Gotta tell you. You should see my movie Religious.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Actually saw it, really and to your credit, what you
did on Islam was awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
The other ones not so much. That's correct, buddy.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Secondly, so if you just isolate the Islamic part, but
it was fun. Secondly, Jesus, to your credit, you treated
Woke like a religion, yes, and you criticize them with
the same intensity, and you did, and that does you
deserve a lot of credit. I mean that because you
looked at it as this has catechism, it has religious
type undercurrents, it has almost a metaphysical presence to itself,
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and so you're an equal opportunity.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Well I critic I mean yeah. And it's funny because
the director of Religionist, Larry Charles, and I had dinner
about a year ago and I suggested, and of course
it went nowhere because we're both too old to really
act on it. But I said, people keep asking me
and I'm sure him also to do Religionist too, But
they when they say it, they think we're going to oh,
now we're going to go to India and make fun
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of the Hindus. I'm like, I'm not doing that. Okay,
I'm not going to India and the news aren't that funny? Okay,
we did it. It was. The movie did great, and
we love that it stands the test of time, and
people keep always keep coming up to me and seeing it.
Movies are amazing that way. But I said, somebody gave
me a great idea, why don't we do religious too,
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But the religion is wokeness, and then that's what I
was suggested to. And I said, yeah, but then you
can have to do the right side of it too,
because that's also a religion, Christian nationalism. I mean, come on,
your boys. Some of the people I think you're fond of,
they mix religion and politics in a way that I
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think is not according to the Constitution. But I have
to tell you, we'll give you a lot of credit.
I saw a video of yours where you were talking
about how christy the original documents were, which is you know.
I mean my view is that the founding part is
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we know a number of them were dists mostly that
was their religion. But you did and you boy, you
have your facts down. I mean, you can spiel when
you get out of the subject, you really do. And
I trust you. You know, I'm going by what you
but you know that they were a little christier than
I thought, you know, And I'm always happy to learn
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new information. And if it doesn't satisfy people that I
don't stay exactly where I am, it satisfies the people
who are actually my fans who always want me to
do that, to be like, oh if I take in
new information. I mean, that's why you know the far
left hates me because I went to the White House
and said, well, privately, Trump's different.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I didn't thank good for you for see, yeah, and I.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Didn't give an inch on anything. I believe. I confronted
him on things that I think, you know, he probably
maybe never hears from anybody else. But that's not good
enough for them, because you know they had to. But no,
if you take in new information, just tell me. And
so I do think after listening to your spiel that yes,
they were a little more into Jesus then I thought.
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I mean, I know Jefferson wrote that Bible and took
hold heavily edited it, took all the miracles out. He
took all the religiosity out of it and just made
him a moral a moral philosopher. You know, you have
to admit that's not exactly the act of a Christy person.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
No, but at least to acknowledge that there was something
profound there. Got to give them credit for that.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I could even acknowledge them.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay, that's I'm glad to hear.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well. Jesus as a philosopher was a true revolutionary. I
mean when he said the meek shall inherit the earth,
I think.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
The response wils that are the peacemakers. Yeah, but the idea.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
That it gets good in the next life was fairly
I think revolutionary. And the fact that you know, if
you're a good person in this life, there's a much
greater or this is just the pregame you want the
after party, and the after party is just going to
be fucking awesome. You're up there with me and my
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dad God, and it's just you know.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
What, do you think cre would create a better society
or better action? People that think that there isn't there
isn't afterlife based on how you act, or people that
think there isn't one.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
That's a great question, because it certainly can turn people
either way. It can make you fly planes into a building.
I'm not speaking of any specific example.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I can't think of anything.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I can't either, but it can make you do that,
you'll admit that.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Sure it could also make you do like blow up
Oklahoma City too.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yes, and it can also and I fully acknowledge that
it also keeps millions of people in line. Like Mark Wahlberg,
I'm guessing without Catholicism, it just looks like a guy
who would be in a lot more trouble. But I
think it just as has made his life, you know,
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much more under control. So there's one Mark Wahlberg I
think really benefits from Catholicism. But I think there's lots
of people like that. They just like they truly are
worried that if they do something out of line, illegal
or immoral, that the devil will, in short order after
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they die, be poking them in the ass with a pitchfork.
And so they don't do that, And I got to
give it up. That's a you know, that is a positive?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Do you do you are you at all worried that
when a nation becomes too secular, it might not know
what it believes. There's no cultural cohesion, there's no glue
that keeps it together.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
But this isn't that a nation. This is isn't secular.
There's a bunch of fucking religious.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Readings increasingly secular though.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well, thank you. I'm trying, but I appreciate.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You are quite the evangelist cause of no afterlife and
my creator.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
You know what, It creeps up a little, but people,
people always are going to want it. They want that.
People always are going to want to believe the story.
It's much better than the truth, which is that things
are random. We don't know the big questions. We don't
know how we got here. We don't know why we're here.
We don't know how the universe started. We're alone in
the universe. You know, is there a God? What is
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the nature of God? Which one is the right God?
We just don't. Nobody knows. I mean, that's why they
call it faith.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Do you hope you're wrong? That's that's the most important
ques that's a great question. Well, how do you hope
there's a heaven?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I hope they figure out how I can live forever.
I like it here with you, Charlie, drinking this and
smoking a great time. I really can't imagine it better.
I mean I can't. And maybe it is. I'm sure
it is. I'm sure you know people have.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
But something in you probably hopes that I don't know, Yes,
Hitler gets ultimate judgment or the most evil things, right, something,
and you want to see your loved ones, And I
don't think about there's got to be a desire something.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
A lot of people just think about it, I know.
But I'm just saying Hitler comes up a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
He really fair enough that there's a desire, that there's
some something beyond this that.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Is just yes, I do, but I mean it's very
hard to find that justice on earth. Ask an Aid's
baby Bill.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
That's why when you say, hey, I'm happy here, there's
a lot of suffering on earth too. And that's the
is and that's the Christian argument.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And some of it is, you know, we obviously can
see it comes from no bad deed done, you know,
child children with cancer. Of course, it's it's it's and
then they say, well that's you know, God works in
mysterious ways, which is sort of a get out of
jail card.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It's the hearty kind of non Admittedly it's the hardest.
We as Christians have to explain unjust suffering. Atheists have
to explain everything else.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
How do you explain it?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
We don't. It's hard. It's a mystery. We can say
God works mysterious ways. We can say original sin. However,
we don't have to explain creation or the miracle of life,
or no love for justice.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Certainly we don't have to explain it either, because it's
not explainable, because we don't know. We say we don't know.
That's honest. You say, no, somebody told a story a
long time ago, and we're going to stick with that.
That to me, I'm not trying to be insulting.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
You can't offend me. Trust me. I mean that you
could be as as Okay, I just mean that it's not.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But I find that intellectually embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Fine.
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The Michael Barry Show. Charlie Kirk was not afraid to
let his leaves down and take on the liberal media.
He joined Bill Maher's podcast, where they covered just about
everything because conversation is good. Charlie was really good at
making his points and backing them up without needing to
get angry. In this podcast, It's almost like he was
(00:23):
interviewing Bill Maher on his own show, even though he
was Bill Maher's guest. And that is a very very powerful,
but subtle technique to pull off.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Here, I am here Kirk, rewarding for duty, That's what
they call me. How are you nice to meet you?
Thanks for having us us? Well, pardon me?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Is there someone with you? Thanks for having me? Not
expecting trouble? Are you not quite any travel with security? Unfortunately?
You doo yeah wow? Like what kind you know security? Well,
I'm sorry that you have to do that, but that's
the price of fame. And boy, you're you, I mean, man,
you're everywhere. Well like it now. It's true.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
We have different Gihati's that want to kill me. The
purple hair gihattis the woke guys.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
They want they kill me. They want to kill me
just as bad. Oh they really do.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
No, you you've been very outspoken on the woke stuff
they do.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yes, I mean, and they just the way within a
religion they hate their own apostates more. I would say
they hate me more because I'm supposed to get on
the short bust of crazy town with them and I won't.
And yet I'm still a liberal and still like you know,
I mean, we probably could argue all day about Donald
(01:45):
Trump and what he's doing, which I'm not down with.
But you know, uh, it's always the people who are
closest to think, oh gosh, you shouldn't have you're a
traitor somehow.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Because they thought you were one of them, and that I.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Am one of them. They're not one of me. I mean,
it's the liberals of Jue.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
So that they've left you, you look well, I.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Think I feel like there's liberal and woke are two
completely different things. It was the theme of my last
stand up special that I just did a few months ago,
and it's basically I mean, it wasn't the whole special,
of course, but it was a large part of it
devoted to that, to proving that case that you know
what liberals believe woke is something completely different. It's very
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often the opposite of it. You know, Liberalism is let's
live in a colorblind society. That's the goal. Woke's goal
is we see race everywhere.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
In a subsession.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yes, okay, so that's not liberal. You change liberal is
they're a two state solution. Woke is river to the sea. Okay,
those are just don't take my word and say you're that.
You took this and took it to you got off
the f train, you fell asleep, and you got off
the twenty stops too far, and don't blame me for
(03:02):
that drink no good, thank you. You don't drink or
smoke pot and you're married and super Christian. We're gonna
get along great.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
This is this is going to just be perfect.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
But can I just ask it because I want to
find out a lot about you, because you're you're obviously
a super bright guy. But you do think that I
have the right to live completely opposite than you do.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I think you can get as drunk as you'd like.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And you're you're that kind of an American, right You're not.
You're not forcing your opinions.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
As I'm not here to say you can't.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
What do you do? Okay, so you think pat should
be legal?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's a complicated I have a very unpopular view on pot.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Can I tell my case on pot?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Please do.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
It's not the depression that it might be causing, or
the fact that might be hurting kids' brains. It's the smell.
It's the stench that drives me crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's not hurting their brains. I mean, kids shouldn't do it.
Of course kids shouldn't. Definitely hurt didn't hurt my brain.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
But let me yes, do you think that more more
teenagers are doing pot today or that before legalization? Or
you know what do you think you sage rates are
going up or down?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Answer.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Oh, you'll be fascinated by this because you know, I'm
not married, so I go out. So sometimes I'm out
with like people that were a great deal younger than me.
I don't know how they get in my group. They do.
And so I've been to sometimes parties like the Hollywood parties.
And this is probably not most of America exactly this way,
but I wouldn't be surprised if it's that different. And
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first of all, in this town, it's all run by,
like the Nepo babies, the Nepple babies, the trust Fund kids.
Is all these little funny two year old the JB.
Pritzker types. Well, no, no, I'm sure I know who
you mean. The governor of Illinois.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
He inherited the Hyatt.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh sure, well, baby, we've invented neo baby out here comes.
But yes, it's everywhere now, even on the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Hey, that's that's that's real privilege there. You know, you
got some privilege if you can get.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, okay, I don't want to I want Lebron met
at me like he is at my friend stephen A.
But I mean that is I you know. But the
point is that when you go out to these I've
been to these parties where like it's a bunch of
twenty two year old kids and none of them are
smoking pot. Why they're on real drugs pots. So like
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my generation, it's like I couldn't find pot at one
of these parties. I was the only were asking me
for it. A few kids want it, they're all they
take this this.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
They're psychedelicshrooms, lsc oh whatever, KETA mean that has some menist,
but not at a party.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
They're all, it's all ingested before they even leave the house.
So that's where the good newest parents. Your kids aren't
on pot, but they're they're on way worse. I think
they're on a big, big trip.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So but do you think that since we've legalized less
teenagers are doing like thirteen, fourteen, fifty ten year olds?
Because that was always the argument, right, did we legalize
it less kids would do it?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I don't know what fourteen year olds are doing.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, I don't know the answer.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I just that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
But we can agree that kids shouldn't that totally.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
But we also should be able to agree that we
shouldn't force adults to organize their lives around what kids
might get into.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's a good argument. I mean, do you think that it's.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean, you're not against porn, are you? Well?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I actually once struggled with porn. Thankfully I'm free of that,
but I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Can you struggle with it? I mean mean so easy?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, you could grow addicted to it. I mean it
can I was kidding nobody else. I mean, yeah, I
don't have that that issue anymore, thankfully, But I would
ask the question, though, like do you think since the
legalization of marijuana in LA, it's made it a better
or worse place to live, or just it hasn't changed
at all.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It certainly hasn't changed my life. Okay, I grow it
right outside here. Do you think this?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Do you think the quality of life has gone up
or down?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well? I don't know, but that's not really The relevant
question is even if there is a deleterious effect, there
is too many things we do and we would not
use that as a reason to prescribe our basic freedoms.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Should people I mean be able to do drugs? Should
we outside like on.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
The street or no, definitely not on the street.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
So there are some limits, of course, limits yes.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And maybe of certain drugs, or certain drugs should be
by prescription, as we do with pharmaceutical drugs, you know,
but base but certainly pot is more as more benign
than alcohol. I mean, I could give you the stats
on that. We all know that is it health food? No,
I'm not crazy like some of my hippie friends are
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complaint trying to portray it as something that's actually good
for your lungs, But I don't think it's. Well, it's
a trade off when you're an adult. You have the
right to make trade offs. Trade offs the is the
essence of life. I'm going to have this piece of
cake tonight and be a little fatter tomorrow, or I'm
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not going to do that and feel better tomorrow. And
we all make those choices on a daily basis. With everything, Yes,
have I probably cut off some years of my life.
Maybe with POT. Who knows, I may have increased them
because it helped me. It made me certainly made me richer,
It made me better at my job, better at writing,
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better a lot of things I like to do. So
you know, I might be living in a two veteran
apartment in Van Nis if it wasn't for POT, and
I'm probably going to live longer.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Here, or who knows how successful you could have been
without it.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That's true too. That is true too.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Do you think there's any merit to the argument that
the pot is has more THC and it's more intense
than it was thirty forty years ago. It's so, I
don't know. I hear these things and oh I hear.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Those things too, And I'm sure that's true because once
it became as commercialized as it has. Of course you're
going to try to maximize the potency of it just
because the customer comes back. Just like a restaurant is
not interested in your health. They're interested in making the
food selling more product delicious as they can. So you've
come back to that restaurant. So but it's so hard
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for me to tell you because I've been smoking for
fifty years and I'm different. Who knows what I was thinking.
I mean, I remember when I first smoked, we would
just sit in the car and laugh at nothing for
an hour. That doesn't happen anymore. So my guess is
the pot is stronger, but my resistance is weaker. Hey,
(09:36):
stop playing with your fanny pack.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
You need the bear skin tactical hood.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Okay, anyway, it's you know, I'm people think I'm some
sort of giant podhead. I've always been very circumspected about
my pot smoking. I mean, I don't smoke every day.
The most I smoke is right here once a week.
I like to be in party mode when I'm with someone.
I'm getting to know. This is one of the joys
(10:03):
in my life. And you know, I understand that it
doesn't connect with some people or make some people paranoid
or something. But the people it's just I mean, you know,
some people like a scotch and some people like la
la lah, and some people like complete sobriety. If that's
your If that's your thing, that's fine. But to me,
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the most interesting place I can ever travel is inside
my own mind, and drugs do help you get there?
Is there?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Do you think all hard drugs should be illegal, like
heroin illegal?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
No? I mean, well heroin, is there any uses for it?
I mean, like for what.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
San Francisco did they suito legalized it, right, I mean
they said, hey, we're going to have make it easier
for you to do heroin.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
We shouldn't make it easy. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Where they had drug induction sites basically no, I know,
but that's that was called the policy position of Seattle,
Portland and San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's the low lying fruit for you right now, for you,
right question.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
No, But but isn't it I want it?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's the low lying fruit.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Who it's like, No, it's right to create a boundary.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And you're right, you know, I mean again, I'm for
picking that fruit too. It's silly to help drug addicts
be drug addicts and keep them on the street. It's
stupid to keep homeless on the street.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Oh, I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
There's another another way liberals are different than the wolk.
The liberal thing for forever was for compassion's sake, get
them off the street. That's not the wolf version. Their
version is they're an endangered species. Don't touch them in
their natural habitat, living under defecate.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Let them do whatever they want.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It's their thing. And you know, I mean, there should
be nothing more basic than a government claiming the streets.
The streets are for the citizens. Then it's not the living.
Build a barracks. I mean, why are these things? Maybe
you can answer, why are these kind of things so difficult?
You think such common sense? Build a fucking barracks. I know,
(12:00):
hollless people say they don't want to live there. You
don't have a choice. Oh we'll get robbed there, higher security,
it's pennies on the dollar. Why is it so difficult?
I feel like I, with no real knowledge of this field,
could do it. Could just if I had people who
would carry out my I would say, okay, get me specs.
I want to see where a place we could build it.
(12:21):
I want to see what the barracks looks like I
want to see who works there, is it really and
the toilets whatever, And somebody must be Mitt Romney, somebody
who will be Olympics, somebody who could come in and.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Just know how to clean up the streets. I mean,
Gavin Newsom cleaned up the streets of San Francisco and
Gigipan showed up. I mean, it's just the act of
the will. They don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Right, like when they get the whoors up the street,
when the mayor is like doing whatever clean.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Up, or when the MLB All Star Game goes to Seattle,
all of a sudden, it's America's clean a city.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Right, So you're saying, if we can do it that
one day.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I think it's an act of the will. It's all
that it is. And it looked left woke. I won't
even say left it woke. Philosophy is they believe, they
don't really believe in private property, and at its core,
why shouldn't someone be able to defecate on the side
of the street. Who are you to judge?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, that's a woke Yes, maybe.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I'm saying woke not even liberal, right, I'm making that distinction,
which I think it's a fair distinction.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
That's another reason, another one we can add to the
list of woke is not liberal.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And I think left versus liberal or woke versus liberal
is an important distinction. Right, I will say, what makes
you different is few liberals stand up to the woke,
and that is that few liberals are willing to stand
up to woke.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Absolutely, and few conservatives stand up to Trump fair enough.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I mean, you can stand up or disagree, but I
guess you could say the question, well, is Trump woke?
Is an ideology? Is Trump an ideology? I mean, he's
a person, maga is an ideology, But I mean we
can I disagree with Trump on a lot of stuff.
I mean, I don't think we should go to Worth run.
I think there'd be a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Also when you get to we're going to send home
grown American citizens to foreign prisons? Oh see the thing
he said? You mean home grown Americans?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
No, And if he were to do that, I wouldn't
support great, But I don't. I think that is a
one liner that he gave to Bukell. I think that
is you met the man, Yes, do you think he
actually believes that, like he would.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Do that it's worse if he does, or would, It's
still horrible that an American president would say that. Look
me in the eye and tell me. If Obama had
said that, what your reaction would be.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Wouldn't like it, wouldn't like it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I think it would be a little more bitriolic than that.
We would be. We'd be apislectic. Okay. I'm just I'm
finding out how honest you are, Charlie, and so far
you're I think you're doing good, and I hope I'm
doing good with you, because if we don't have the honesty,
we can't really you know.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Look, but to be also to be fair to the
whole you know topic in general, the outrage around deportations
as we've seen, you know this these last couple of
you know, last couple of weeks is like the American
people voted for it, it's perfectly legal.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, they didn't vote for they don't vote for people
without any I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Do you mean that Maryland case is what you're talking about, right?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The guy who they're trying, who they se as thirteen member, Well,
there's no evidence that he's they don't they did not
present evidence. I mean, I don't really want to get
into the weeds on this one because I got to
do it on my show Friday. But and but the
Supreme Court, I guess we have to get into the
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weeds there.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You know, there is there's there's even new evidence in
the last couple of hours that I don't you you
you you lead the conversation. You tell me how deep
you want to go on?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Eh? None?
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I mean, but I hope that if it comes to light,
let's put let me button it up this way. I
hope that if it does come to light that they're
really is no evidence that this guy was a gang member,
that he got swept up, which is very understandable that
when you do a sweep, when you're doing big things, yes,
there's nothing is going to go perfect. But if it
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does come to light, I would hope that some Republicans
have the spine to say, yeah, that's not right, that
this guy should not be there. I mean, the Bill
of Rights, it's pretty clear that you can't just disappear
people without any sort of trial. Well, but and deportation
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is not the same thing as sending someone to a prison.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
But you are allowed to deport under the Alien Enemy Zach, correct,
someone who is part of a recognized terrorist organization is
pretty close to a terrorist organism.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, okay, I mean you know you're you're bending all
these words.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Not an American citizen. You got to acknowledge that. No, absolutely,
so that's important. But he wasn't here illegally. He was
illegally the Maryland man, as long as we're not talking
about two different cases. Garcia, Yes, he was an the
illegal immigrant to the country.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I thought he was waiting for asylum.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Okay, you could be illegal waiting for assilum.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I see, so we okay, so they could deport him,
that's right, Yes, but we never did it, but to
a prison.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
It's an edge case. I acknowledge it's on the edge.
But good no, but the edge is so there's three
ways you can deport people. It could be the Alien
Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight, it can be.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Expert he used only three times.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
That's fine, But hey, look and you quote the First
Amendment all the time. That's from seventeen eighty seven. Right,
So old things are important. I'm just saying just but.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's when used, that's when used more than three times.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Fair enough, But just because things are old, doesn't mean
and I'm not saying no, you're using that talking pot.
But some people are trying to invalidate it just because
it's old. It's also expedited release.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
They're trying to invalidate because it doesn't really apply to this.
It's stretching.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I mean, how is MS thirteen not a terrorist organization?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah you can, Yeah, you can make.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
It trendy or ragua, I mean well organized.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Because because terrorism really is a political movement, it's it's
it's it's it means terrorizing the civilian population to achieve
a political goal. These guys just want to grab your locket.
You know, this is oh a lot more than that. Look,
I've said that all this stuff I don't like about Trump.
(18:31):
I did it in my piece the other week when
I was talking about the meeting at the White House
that no, he was tweeting about me. I've never liked anything. No,
check the tape. There are things I like. And one
thing I liked was that the police are have their
morale back maybe now. And you know, when you live
in a city, it's not a good thing when the
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police lose their morale because they feel like they've been
painted with a bloodbrush, which they were after twenty twenty,
you know, and they're like, okay, yeah, And I've been
very critical of the cops when I think they did
bad things. But do I think that it's a racist,
you know, tack squad. It's not. There's issues. There's always
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issues in everything, and you know, when you insolve the
cops if a way of kind of brooding about it.
And it's just not a good place to be when
you're when you're a city dweller, and so you know,
I don't want to be killed by a gang member
because they do random killings, you know, just to as
(19:39):
gang initiation so they can get the fucking tear drop
under their eye. Okay, I want to be someone's tear
drop tattoo, you know, Rando out to dinner. So I
get it, you know. I mean, these are the things
that lost the Democrats the election. You know, you've got
to take care of this shit.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And there's real Americans that die, I mean, Rachel Moore
and Can Riley, there's real I mean, Joscelyn Well.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Probably not at greater rates than are killed by regular Americans.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That's debated, but let's just put that aside. They shouldn't
be here, and so none of those murders to happen, right,
And so anyway back to the core question, does the
president have the ability to remove illegals that have come
here under an enemy gang? Of course he does. He
has the power given to him by that law.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
What's your background? I'm gonna have to like Larry King this.
You know what Larry King used to just famously, and
I love Larry. I did a show a billion times.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
He was a legend.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, and his thing was like, I don't prepare. I'm
like the regular guy who just wants to know. He's
curious about this person. So I don't know. So I
asked the questions that this person would ask you, trying
to kirk. You're thirty one years old.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
You're Jewish, right, No, yeah, that's Muslim.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Next, now you're married. How long you have been married?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It will be four years in May?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Wow? And kids? Two kids? Yeah? Two kids already.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well, we got to.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Work now, Charlie. It shouldn't be work, that's all I'm kidding.
I know, it's an enjoy work.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It's okay. We got in to the fundations and.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And and you're gonna have more God willing God willing
right right. And you know we don't see eye to
eye on the religion.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
D You know someone told me that I got I.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Gotta tell you. You should see my movie Religious.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Actually saw it, really and to your credit, what you
did on Islam was awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
The other ones not so much. That's correct, buddy.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Secondly, so if you just isolate the Islamic part, but
it was fun. Secondly, Jesus, to your credit, you treated
Woke like a religion, yes, and you criticize them with
the same intensity, and you did, and that does you
deserve a lot of credit. I mean that because you
looked at it as this has catechism, it has religious
type undercurrents, it has almost a metaphysical presence to itself,
(22:08):
and so you're an equal opportunity.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Well I critic I mean yeah. And it's funny because
the director of Religionist, Larry Charles, and I had dinner
about a year ago and I suggested, and of course
it went nowhere because we're both too old to really
act on it. But I said, people keep asking me
and I'm sure him also to do Religionist too, But
they when they say it, they think we're going to oh,
now we're going to go to India and make fun
(22:31):
of the Hindus. I'm like, I'm not doing that. Okay,
I'm not going to India and the news aren't that funny? Okay,
we did it. It was. The movie did great, and
we love that it stands the test of time, and
people keep always keep coming up to me and seeing it.
Movies are amazing that way. But I said, somebody gave
me a great idea, why don't we do religious too,
(22:53):
But the religion is wokeness, and then that's what I
was suggested to. And I said, yeah, but then you
can have to do the right side of it too,
because that's also a religion, Christian nationalism. I mean, come on,
your boys. Some of the people I think you're fond of,
they mix religion and politics in a way that I
(23:16):
think is not according to the Constitution. But I have
to tell you, we'll give you a lot of credit.
I saw a video of yours where you were talking
about how christy the original documents were, which is you know.
I mean my view is that the founding part is
(23:38):
we know a number of them were dists mostly that
was their religion. But you did and you boy, you
have your facts down. I mean, you can spiel when
you get out of the subject, you really do. And
I trust you. You know, I'm going by what you
but you know that they were a little christier than
I thought, you know, And I'm always happy to learn
(23:59):
new information. And if it doesn't satisfy people that I
don't stay exactly where I am, it satisfies the people
who are actually my fans who always want me to
do that, to be like, oh if I take in
new information. I mean, that's why you know the far
left hates me because I went to the White House
and said, well, privately, Trump's different.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I didn't thank good for you for see, yeah, and I.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Didn't give an inch on anything. I believe. I confronted
him on things that I think, you know, he probably
maybe never hears from anybody else. But that's not good
enough for them, because you know they had to. But no,
if you take in new information, just tell me. And
so I do think after listening to your spiel that yes,
they were a little more into Jesus then I thought.
(24:44):
I mean, I know Jefferson wrote that Bible and took
hold heavily edited it, took all the miracles out. He
took all the religiosity out of it and just made
him a moral a moral philosopher. You know, you have
to admit that's not exactly the act of a Christy person.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
No, but at least to acknowledge that there was something
profound there. Got to give them credit for that.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I could even acknowledge them.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay, that's I'm glad to hear.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well. Jesus as a philosopher was a true revolutionary. I
mean when he said the meek shall inherit the earth,
I think.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
The response wils that are the peacemakers. Yeah, but the idea.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
That it gets good in the next life was fairly
I think revolutionary. And the fact that you know, if
you're a good person in this life, there's a much
greater or this is just the pregame you want the
after party, and the after party is just going to
be fucking awesome. You're up there with me and my
(25:39):
dad God, and it's just you know.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
What, do you think cre would create a better society
or better action? People that think that there isn't there
isn't afterlife based on how you act, or people that
think there isn't one.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
That's a great question, because it certainly can turn people
either way. It can make you fly planes into a building.
I'm not speaking of any specific example.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I can't think of anything.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I can't either, but it can make you do that,
you'll admit that.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Sure it could also make you do like blow up
Oklahoma City too.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yes, and it can also and I fully acknowledge that
it also keeps millions of people in line. Like Mark Wahlberg,
I'm guessing without Catholicism, it just looks like a guy
who would be in a lot more trouble. But I
think it just as has made his life, you know,
(26:30):
much more under control. So there's one Mark Wahlberg I
think really benefits from Catholicism. But I think there's lots
of people like that. They just like they truly are
worried that if they do something out of line, illegal
or immoral, that the devil will, in short order after
(26:51):
they die, be poking them in the ass with a pitchfork.
And so they don't do that, And I got to
give it up. That's a you know, that is a positive?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Do you do you are you at all worried that
when a nation becomes too secular, it might not know
what it believes. There's no cultural cohesion, there's no glue
that keeps it together.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
But this isn't that a nation. This is isn't secular.
There's a bunch of fucking religious.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Readings increasingly secular though.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well, thank you. I'm trying, but I appreciate.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You are quite the evangelist cause of no afterlife and
my creator.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
You know what, It creeps up a little, but people,
people always are going to want it. They want that.
People always are going to want to believe the story.
It's much better than the truth, which is that things
are random. We don't know the big questions. We don't
know how we got here. We don't know why we're here.
We don't know how the universe started. We're alone in
the universe. You know, is there a God? What is
(27:46):
the nature of God? Which one is the right God?
We just don't. Nobody knows. I mean, that's why they
call it faith.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Do you hope you're wrong? That's that's the most important
ques that's a great question. Well, how do you hope
there's a heaven?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I hope they figure out how I can live forever.
I like it here with you, Charlie, drinking this and
smoking a great time. I really can't imagine it better.
I mean I can't. And maybe it is. I'm sure
it is. I'm sure you know people have.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
But something in you probably hopes that I don't know, Yes,
Hitler gets ultimate judgment or the most evil things, right, something,
and you want to see your loved ones, And I
don't think about there's got to be a desire something.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
A lot of people just think about it, I know.
But I'm just saying Hitler comes up a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
He really fair enough that there's a desire, that there's
some something beyond this that.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Is just yes, I do, but I mean it's very
hard to find that justice on earth. Ask an Aid's
baby Bill.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
That's why when you say, hey, I'm happy here, there's
a lot of suffering on earth too. And that's the
is and that's the Christian argument.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And some of it is, you know, we obviously can
see it comes from no bad deed done, you know,
child children with cancer. Of course, it's it's it's and
then they say, well that's you know, God works in
mysterious ways, which is sort of a get out of
jail card.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It's the hearty kind of non Admittedly it's the hardest.
We as Christians have to explain unjust suffering. Atheists have
to explain everything else.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
How do you explain it?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
We don't. It's hard. It's a mystery. We can say
God works mysterious ways. We can say original sin. However,
we don't have to explain creation or the miracle of life,
or no love for justice.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Certainly we don't have to explain it either, because it's
not explainable, because we don't know. We say we don't know.
That's honest. You say, no, somebody told a story a
long time ago, and we're going to stick with that.
That to me, I'm not trying to be insulting.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
You can't offend me. Trust me. I mean that you
could be as as Okay, I just mean that it's not.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But I find that intellectually embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Fine.
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