Mr. Broadway Pants Returns!

Joe Escalante's arduous journey through the business end of showbiz. This week: Mickey Mouse enters the public domain, Joe's lifelong love affair with Steve Martin, and Mr Broadway Pants returns to talk about some of the great shows you can catch in LA this winter. Whatever you do... DON'T TAKE JOE TO SEE RENT.

Episode Transcript

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Hollywood. If by Hollywood you meanBurbank, across the street from a Wiener
Snitzel that serves beer. This istwo hours of the business end of show
business right here on k e IBeleven fifty on your AM dial. Sam
joins me here live from Burbank ona pretty nice Sunday evening, the seventeenth

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of December. Sam, how's thethings working? Did I did all that
work? Things worked? Yes?Okay, we seem to be on the
air. We seem to be floating. This is good, okay, good.
Well, we have a special guesttoday. We're going to be joined
at some point by mister Broadway Pants. Sometimes some people know me as mister

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Hollywood Pants, but they don't knowis my nephew is mister Badway Pants.
And he's got a he's got atheater report for us, So you're gonna
hear all about what is happening,what is hot in live theater. And
he's straight from Broadway, just gotoff the plane, and he's gonna tell

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us what's going on there and howit might affect you, the Los Angeles
person that might want to see someshows. Okay, let's get right into
the intellectual property issue going on rightnow. Sam, this is a this
is a joggernaut. I don't knowif you know this, but January first

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is the day that has long beenfeared, the day that Mickey Mouse goes
into public domain. This is nojoke. Can you hear the evil in
my laugh? Do you know howmany Mickey Mouse and like all of these
different Disney character themed idea that Iwant to roll with now that they're now

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in the public domain. You're anevil person. I don't consider you an
American. I just don't. Iam just anti American. I am going
to have some fun with Mickey.Okay, well, there's some restrictions,
Okay, okay, please tell me. I'd like to know what my legal
boundaries here are. Basically, therat faced Mickey from Steamboat Willie. You

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can play around with that, okay. Cool. You could probably show Steamboat
Willie in your anti American club thatyou belong to. I guess maybe you
could. You could show you couldcharge money to come in and watch it.
You could do you can manipulate it. Things like that. You just
can't take like newer Mickey, Likedon't try to take new Mickey. Don't

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try to you can't they still ownthat. They only lost they're only losing
control over Steamboat Willie Mickey. Okay, So the old stuff basically at what
year prior, like at what's thecutoff of between old Mickey and new Mickey?
Well, right now, just tryto be safe and use Steamboat Willie
Mickey. Okay, that was releasedin nineteen twenty eight. It's got ninety

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five years. This is the ninetyfifth year and it only has ninety five
years because it used to have seventyfive year years. But they extended it
in nineteen ninety eight, I thinktwo twenty years more because they were in
a panic and now they're ready,you know, they're kind of ready.
All right. This is it's veryrare for an image to go this long

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and still be recognizable and be valuablebecause when you look at the stuff the
other stuff that goes into the publicdomain, and every year stuff's going into
the public domain. But some ofit is like who cares? What have
we got? Like like a animalfarm? People care about that. But

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you know, there's there's this there'sa lot of stuff that just goes just
goes in. And at one point, maybe in nineteen fifties, it was
very valuable stuff, and then aftera while it just fades and then it
who cares? You know, Like, but people get alarmed when they hear
about like Sherlock Holmes going into thepublic domain. Now, not all Sherlock

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Holmes is in the public domain,but some of it is. And then
there's we Need the Pooh last yearwe all know went into the public domain
and the result was a horror filmon the Variety Magazine's Worst Films of twenty
twenty three. And now I assumethey'll be a you could be you know,

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Steamboat Willie, slasher film, youcan do that, Steamboat Willie and
Train of Death. Is that whatyou're going with? I guess a train.
Yeah, he's on a train.Yeah. Why isn't it a steamboat?
Oh that's true. Steamboat of Death. Steamboat of Death, that's what
everyone's afraid of. Yeah, itlooked like a train conductor in it,
though I did that was the thing. I think it was the outfit that

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he had on. But yeah,no, it was. It was a
steamboat Willy. Obviously, you know, there was some song called Steamboat Bill
that that was based on that wasa hit, and that went into the
public domain too. And all hellbroke loose when that went into Maybe I
should make one about both of themfighting each other, Steamboat Bill and steamboat

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Willie. Yeah, who's Steamboat Bill? I have no idea. Okay,
why don't you just follow me?Follow along with me today? And like
Virginia Wolf's novel Orlando went into thepublic domain last year, Virtual Brecks musical
play the Three Penny Opera. Haveyou heard of that, mister Broadway pants.

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I can't say I've seen that one. I like how his voice sounds
like he's in another punishment chamber ofsome kind. Don't fix that? Uh
yeah, Virginia Wolf's Orlando. Whocame Charlie Chaplin's Circus? I heard the
Circus Circus Hotel went into the publicdomain just because of the fifth in the
hallways. The government is no longerwilling to protect it. I say that

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because I was at the Circus CircusHotel, not last night, but the
night before. Because that's one ofthe best steakhouses in all of Las Vegas,
is inside the Circus Circus. Really, it's called the Steakhouse. I
don't think there's a better one.Many people would say the Golden Steer is
the best steakhouse. And yes,the rat Pack used to hang out there,

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but I think you can make anargument that the steakhouse in the Circus
Circus is better than that, andit's more exciting to It's like going into
a bad neighborhood and then there's likea like a speakeasy type. Yeah,
it's like somewhere in between, likethe two ninety nine buffet, and like
the restaurants, it will kill you. Yeah, seriously, Yeah, don't

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patron hontail. Whatever you do,don't eat the shrimp cocktail. It's made
of it's made of overgrown sea monkeys. Stay away from it. And the
people in the Circus Circus, itlooks like everybody's looking like it looks like
everybody in there is looking for socialservices of some kind and and they just
happen to be in a in acasino and then you turn the corner and
bam, the steakhouse. Uh.So I recommend these steakhouse. And the

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reason why it's still there and stillgood is because no, there's no uh
celebrity chef that's like got their eyeon that facility, that building. Yeah,
oh you know what I would doif I was in this hotel.
I would, I would take outthis stale musty uh thing from yesteryear,

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and I would I would put ahot, new fusion restaurant. No one's
doing that. Nobody wants to bethere, so they're stuck there. The
management is stuck with them, andthey can't get a more, a newer,
more prestigious client, so they justkeep going and it is excellent.
So then after that we went toto the to the Win Hotel to see

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Steve Martin and Martin Short. Ohnice. And if you look at my
Instagram or my Facebook page, youwill notice that I was hauled up on
stage as the honorary three Amigo andthey did a routine and they, you
know, they teach us the threeguys. Yeah, I'm one of them.

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And then and they teach us thethree Amigo dance. You were the
Chevy Chase probably, and then itwas like a dream come true. That
that is actually a I would qualifythat as being a dream come true.
That is absolutely true. That's amazinggetting up on stage with Steve Martin,

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Martin Short and being one of thethree Amigos. Yeah, yeah, that
counts. And it was the keyboardplayer, mister Jeff Babco came up the
aisle and he was looking for volunteers. And then my wife was taking my
arm and just failing it. Italmost broke it. And then and then
I got up on stage and didthe thing. And then afterwards I'm leaving,
and then Jeff Babco, the keyboardplayer who plays along with them during
their show, comes up to me. He goes, I'm friends with Josh

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Freeze. I love the Vandals.Nice because when I got up there,
people started yelling the Vandals, youknow, and I'm not used to that
in a like a mainstream show,celebrity, high level, mainstream thing.
And I'm like, they start yellingthe Vandals, and I go, okay's
Vandals. Fans in the audience veryweird. And then I'm wearing a tie,
you know, in a jacket.I don't look like a punk rock

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musician. Then Steve Martin asked mewhat I do for a living. I
didn't know what to say. Iwas like, well, I'm a TV
producer, I'm the manager of Sublime. I play bass in the Vandals.
But they're yelling Vandals. I go, I'm I guess I'm the guy in
the Vandals. You know, theycaught me here and then he goes So
you play bass anyway, Just talkingto Steve Martin, even for a minute,
is it is pretty amazing. Butwe're going to take a break now

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and we come. I'm going totell you the first time I was a
part of Steve Martin's act in nineteenseventy five, did you put the arrow
through his head? But it wasit was during that era. Joe Scalante
continues after the traffic Joe'scalante Live fromHollywood. By Hollywood, you mean Burbank

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two hours of the business end ofshow business every Sunday here and kaeib when
we were talking, I teased this, this amazing story about well last night
I'm on stage with Steve Martin andMartin short just randomly. You got to
see that show. I don't evenif they're doing it anymore. These were
two postponed shows, okay from theCOVID because someone didn't follow my advice and

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not get tested for COVID. Andif you do get tested, don't tell
anyone. I'm not a doctor licensedto practice in California, but in Guatemala.
However, what my word is gospelanyway, So someone, so now
he had to do it in Decemberfifteen. But it worked out good for
me because I won the lottery andgot to be the honorary amigo. How

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cool is I would have loved tohave gone at least watched that, just
so I'd be like, I knowhim. A lot of people were doing
that just to be up on stagewith those two legends. That's outstanding.
They really. When I thought aboutit later, I go, wow,
they really bestow a gift on threepeople every night to that like that's once

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in a lifetime. But for me, it was twice in a lifetime because
in nineteen seventy five, I wasa huge Steve Martin fan. I'm twelve
years old and watching Johnny Carson everynight. My mom like doesn't know what
to do with me. Other parentshave problems with their kids or drugs or
gender, just phouria or whatever thesepeople have these days. My parents had

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the problem with this kid wants tostay up and watch Johnny Carson, and
he begs and he negotiates, andhe said, just let me watch the
monologue and then you know, stretchit into the first guest. Anyway,
whenever Steve Martin was on I wasjust out of my skull with excitement.
And then I convinced my brother totake me to see him when he was
playing at the Golden Bear, whichis just like, you know, five

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or ten miles down pH an oldnightclub in Hollywood. I'm in Huntington Beach.
Then we watch him and he's sofunny, you can't you can't even
take it, such such an advancedstyle of humor. If you could read
his biography autobiography he wrote, he'slike a philosophy major of some kind and

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he was infusing that into his comedyand it was different than anybody would come
before him, and me, beingthe intellectual twelve year old, you know,
really appreciated that. So it's sohilarious. Then at the end,
they say you can stay and watchthe second show, so we stayed and

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we went moved down to the front. So now we're in the front tables,
it's like tables in the States.I'm just now I'm in his face.
After the second show, he's doinghis happy dance and he's and he's
just reveling, and everybody's you know, because he killed it with some closing
joke and routine or something, andeveryone going nuts, and then he's dancing

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around, saying good bye, goodbye, bay bye, starts climbing the
staircase that goes up to the backstagein that in that club, and he's
doing these dances, you know,like snoopy dancing, and then all of
a sudden he sees me and helocks eyes on me, and he goes,
wait a second, wait a second, wait, stop stop stop,
are you Joe Escalante? No,He says, what the heck, and

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he walks back down the steps andhe comes up to me and goes,
how old are you? And Igo, I'm twelve, twelve years old.
There's been a twelve year old herethe whole time. Oh my lord,
I had no idea. Okay,I got a joke for you twelve
year olds. Twelve years man.Yeah, all right, there's these two
lesbians and into a bar, rightnineteen seventy five. Oh that's outstanding.

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Yeah. So that was it.And then he went crazy and even more
uproar, and then he goes onand then I tell that story every day
of my life, and tell today, and I'll continue telling it. So
it turns out as I'm walking offthe stage, the keyboard players say Hey,
I'm Jeff. I know Joss Freese, the drummer of your band Love
the Vandals. And then so Isent him an email afterwards it and then

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I told him that story. Andmy dream, my real dream in life,
is for Steve Martin to hear thatstory that that young boy that was
you and grew up to have oneof the lowest rated radio shows in the
entire history of the medium, andyou know, all because of him.
Yeah, and no offense in Martinshort. I'm a huge I could tell

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them Martin short stories of how muchI worshiped SETV. That's for another day.
But ayway, that was my LasVegas trip. I encourage Las Vegas,
like, you know, five hoursaway. It's kind of like as
La gets to be five hours awayfrom Orange County with the traffic. Yeah,
sometimes it's just easier to go toLas Vegas to see something that's no

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joke. That's no joke. Okay, let's get to the movies. You
saw a movie this week, didn'tyou. I saw it Godzilla. That's
a movie, al right. Thatwas a great movie they had. It
was a terrifying Godzilla first off,and second that actors were actually good.
The actual human actors. They paidattention to how they were acting. It

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was like because it was in Japanese. Yeah, and you didn't have to
worry about dubbing. It was justlike seeing a you know, a Kirosawa
film or Uzu film in on theCriterion channel or something. It was just
a serious you could take it moreseriously. Yeah, it was really good.
I really enjoyed it, and I'mdefinitely gonna go see it again whenever

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I have the chance. I wasvery pleased with this one. Yeah,
I'm going with you on a hundredpercent. Mister Broadway Pants is coming up
in the next segment. But misterBridy Pants, did you see Godzilla?
No, No, I've missed that. I missed that one. What's wrong
with his microphone is that? Howit has to be sound like? Why
does he sound like that? Becausehe's from Broadway? Could be not sure.

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I could turn him up a littlebit. Maybe that helps. I
don't know. Okay, I personallylike that trapped in a dungeon sound Okay?
All right, let's go through theWe only have a couple of minutes,
but we're gonna start going through thetop ten of the box office this
week. I'll just rattle it off, and then we'll take a break and
we'll talk about what a little bitmore of the movies that we saw,
and then we're gonna get into theBroadway portion of our show. I like

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how you saying that last part.I have to number one, number one
movie in the country, Wonka,number two, Hunger Games, number three,
Bad the Boy and the Heron whichis a studio, the best one,
the last one, Godzilla minus one, Number four, Trolls Band Together,
number five, number six, Wish, number seven, Christmas with the

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Chosen does Christian film? The usuallydo well? Napoleon is he Heathen film?
It's doing pretty good too. Actually, Renaissance, a film by Beyonce,
must viewing for anybody that works onthis show. And number ten Poor
Things from search Light Films. Whenwe come back, we will discuss the
the movie that I saw, andthen we'll get into a little more Broadway

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with mister Broadway pants. And thisis the part of the show where usually
you play some music. Then Ijust wry know, I have to wait
about five seconds, give me amoment a second. Four and three and
two and one Joe Scalante Live fromHollywood back after this Joe Escalante Live from
Hollywood. If by Hollywood you meanBurbank. Uh, two hours of the

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Business, End of show Business,every Sunday here on KiB eleven fifty on
your AM dial. The movie list. We just went over the weekend box
office. The Wonka is the winner, demolishing everybody. It's not even a
second place, really, thirty ninemillion dollars and the second place was The

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Hunger Games, directed by the GreatFrancis Lewis, only had five zero point
eight million, so thirty nine million. Everybody was seeing Wonka and I wanted
to see Well, I wanted tosee Wonka, so I went to see
Wonka, and there was another moviewith I can't find it out it didn't

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do Oh, Eileen was Eileen?I wanted to disease but I ended up
not seeing it. And then soWonka. What did you think of it?
Joe? Oh, thanks for asking. Uh, let me ask around
the panel here, Sam, Yes, did I give a thumbs up or

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a thumbs down to the new versionof Wanka? I think you gave it
a thumbs up. I'm gonna gowith thumbs up. Mister Broadway Pants.
Do you think I gave it athumbs up or a thumbs down. I'm
thinking of thumbs down right, becausehe knows how it feels about all the
musicals, mister Broadway pants. Itnever stops going to well, let me
tell you, let me surprise oneof you. I thought the Wonka Movie

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was a beautiful film, and itjust doesn't care that there were two Wonka
movies already. It's you know,one of those walk of films is really
stupid. One of them is perhapsthe greatest family film ever made. And
then this one's a musical. Man, there's a lot of room for cringey
disasters here. But the songs werefantastic. They were just like, just

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very fitting for a prequel to theGene Wilder musical. Let's take the musical
that the other one is a JohnnyDepp. Let's put that one away,
the Johnny Depp Wonka one. Let'sput that one to the side. Let's
bury it too much style, notenough substance. And that's from a guy

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who has never seen it. Okay, it was the c g I Opa
Lumpas for me, I just couldn't. Yeah, I just didn't. I
don't anyway. I looked at itand I'm just like, does that really
needed to happen? And then thenafter he ruined Dumbo, I was like,
well, if he can't even doDumbo, right, how is he

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gonna do Willie Wonka? So Iwas never looked back and then I then
then this one came. I.Oh, you know Timothy chacoal Lot or
Chala may or whatever his name is. He, uh, he's good enough.
Timothy sports Shelley. Yeah, that'sa good one. Timothy sports Shelley.
Let's just go with that. SoTimothy sports Shelley. He you know,

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I like him in some things Icould care less than others. Is
something wrong with him? He's aflavor of the month. My wife is
all into it, you know Iwould, so I'm willing to give him
a shot. And I watched itand loved it. Everyone in this involved

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in this movie should be very proud, except for Hugh Grant, who was
He was great in the film,but he couldn't just leave it. He
was actually in the film. Okay, I thought you're just throwing him in
there. I mean, he wasgreat in the film, but then he
you know, he he just squirtedhis own stinky chocolate all over the film
before it was even released, complainingabout being an oopa loopa and all the

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CGI stuff and how they made andhe thought they made him look stupid.
Shame on him. The headline fromthis the release of this film should have
been convicted John spoils otherwise successful launchof assumed to be classic film, because
I just thought, since he's complainingabout this great movie and he's lucky to

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be in it, I'd bring uphis shadowy past. Let's go around the
panel here. Do you remember hisshadowy past? Grant? Yes, I
do, do you It wasn't soshadowy, do you. Yeah, we
can get to that. It wasn'treally you know, but it was.
I mean, it was out inthe open, mister Broadway pants. Did

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you do you know about Hugh Grant? Since I have heard a few stories,
yes, about his engagement with somewomen. Yeah, a woman named
Divine Brown. He engaged in publicsex with a prostitute. And you know,
he had to pay a thousand dollarsfine and he had to go on
an AIDS education program, which Ithink is an insult to assume that that

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Divine Brown had AIDS or her coworkers. Yeah, a little bit of
horror shaming. I don't know,did I just horses shame by saying that,
by coining the phrase horse shaming?No, no, not okay,
so uh and then she had togo to jail for like eighteen months,

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you know, and she was shewas she wasn't bad looking, and she
she you know, things didn't turnout so great for her, but they
weren't going to turn out probably thatgreat anyway, if that's how she ended
up. And then ah, anyway, anyway. The only reason I'm bringing
it up because I'm just mad hehad a tantrum about his being a part
of this this cool movie. It'sa cool movie. Songs are good.
It's it's kind of like a WesAnderson meets Harry Potter meets the original Willie

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Wank in the Chocolate Factory film,and it's you know, like you don't
necessarily think of Gene Wilder as ayou know, like a musical a lead
man in a musical, but hepulled it off in that movie and it
defined him and Timothy challummey as soonas he started singing, You're like,

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you know, it's very reminiscent ofGene Wilder because it's not you know,
like it's not like perfect, like, oh, I became I started as
a singer and I won American Idoland now I'm an actor. So he's
an actor. You can sing.It's charming, he fits the part.
Some people say he was miscast,but those are people that just don't like

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it anyway. Some people are bitter. I could have been bitter about this.
Willie Wanka is a sacred film tome. But I would see this
again and again. Is it reallyfun? And the cast Mark Lucas from
the Great British actor that was inGreat Britain, Little Britain, he was

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in it. And Olivia Coleman.I don't know if you if you familiar
with her oscars studied career and andHugh Grant and everybody was good. Anyway.
I can recommend Wanka and you canrecommend, and we can both recommend
minus one. And I honestly wantto see more films with Timothy sports Chalet

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and I would love to see himwork alongside Ham and Cheese bandersnatch. Ham
and Cheese bandersnatch. Oh is thatBenedict cumber Patch. That's what I said,
because because it sounded like you said, Ham and Cheese bandersnatch. Same
thing. Okay, all right,well we don't have a lot of time.
We only have one minute left formister Broadway pants, mister Robbie pants.

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Did you go see some plays?I did. I saw some plays.
I saw some musicals out in NewYork City, and I had a
wonderful time doing it. All right, Well, thank you for stopping by,
and the Jenny out front will validate, yes' validate your partnerfect. Thank
you so much, and we'll haveyou back again. Great. I'll have

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a lot more to report next time. Okay, good, okay, let's
take a break. We'll check thetraffic. And Joe Scalante live from Hollywood,
coming at you, all right,Joe Scalante live from Hollywood's by Hollywood.
You need burd Bank And uh,of course Ponio, the the Great

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Fishy in the Sea from the GhibliStudio. Uh. The hair On the
Boy and the hair On is outin theaters right now, the last Studio
Ghibli movie. I guess we're evergoing to see. It's like Tarantino,
you know, shop after ten orsomething. I don't know how many do
they did? That's it's it feelsbittersweet, it does. This one has

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Florence pew in it. Oh cool, And I know how big of a
fan of Florence Pew you are.I'm the pewiest they caused the Pewbies.
They call you the pubes. Wellyou would go there, but no,
run a tight ship here, Okay, Studio Ghibli, So I haven't seen

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that one. I'll probably see itthis week. No, let's go back
to the movies for a second.So we were talking about Wonka and Wanka
is a musical we've brought in.Mister Broadway pants. We pulled them back.
We didn't kick him out, misterBroadway Pants. How are you?

(27:33):
I'm good, Joe, thank you, thank you for having me here.
He sounds like Enoch from the Landof the Lost, like the high level
slee stack. Is that what kindof a station we got? Now?
Yes, yes, okay, thisis the Land of the Lost. Evidently
we were just talking over the breakthat I'm Everybody's Christmas party is KLA C

(27:55):
KF I where's the KiB Christmas Party? And since I'm the only live uh,
you're very lucky. You're driving aroundund and you're here, You're hearing
the only live radio personality in thisstation. And I don't have a Christmas
party. I don't know, soSam, I think you should this.
Here's the Christmas party. I'm tellingyou. We are festive right now.

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Sure, but there should be someWe're gonna do some live events. I've
got a ham cooking in the back. This is perfect. Yeah, I'm
not as music by it. Ineed I need a party, But I
brought a ham. Where's my where'sall my radio listeners that you know that
are going to punish me at aparty? Like? I really like?

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If I had a party, i'dgo to it. I probably hate every
second of it. But since Idon't have one, I'm upset about it.
Okay, let's go with mister Broadwaypants. You you really did go
to New York for ten days toto do an in depth Broadway musical and
other kinds of plays search for us? What? What did you find?

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What are the highlights the low lights? What's coming to Los Angeles? Yeah?
Yeah, so I was there forten nights. I saw all the
shows that are brand new on Broadway. The biggest ticket item that I would
say I saw was Merrily We RollAlong the revival of Stephen Sondheim's musical That
Sounds legit because some of the onesyou talk about sound like the worst evening
one could spend sitting in a chair. What's this Merrily We Roll Along about?

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So it stars Daniel Radcliffe, LindsayMendez and Jonathan Groth. Are you
talking about Harry Potter? That's theone and the same. Yeah, weird
out the naked or he was nakedon Broadway originally? Yes, Angels in
America, right, Angels in America? Okay, So Merrily We Roll Along.
It's a like a nineteen thirties showtune filled extravaganza. Definitely not.

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No, it takes place and whatwas present day when it originally aired on
Broadway in early nineteen eighties, andit goes back in time to see how
they originated their relationship with those threecharacters. So it starts present day and
then you see how it happens andit's great and something. Groth has a

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great performance. I was actually sittingin the front row and I could just
have him spitting really in my oldfashioned cocktail drink. So yeah, that
was a really nice That's good becausethere's so much bourbon in an old fashioned
Yeah, it's good. It's gonnakill it. It doesn't matter. That's
what Steve Martin said the other night. Laughter is the is the best way

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to spread COVID and AIDS and stufflike that. Not aids. He didn't
say that. He said he grantsit. Always wear a condom while laughing.
Folks, Yeah, maybe, okay, So Merrily We Roll Along?
Okay, so that's that's a bigdeal. Good for you. How much
is a ticket like that cost?So that one is the highest cost of
all the shows, it'll run youabout two to three hundred dollars. They

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just extended it through July, sothere are some lower priced tickets available.
Plus there's a rush and a lottery, as there are for many shushes,
like when the student's going and theyget it's when Getty Lee comes out and
okay, yeah that's cool. Hey, look I do all the comedy on
the show. All right, excuseme, I'm sorry. What about when
would like a place like that?Like how does this work? Like Merrily

(31:18):
We Roll Along? It's like abig on Broadway. When can someone in
Los Angeles see it at one ofthese theaters in Hollywood or wherever? So,
yeah, it usually takes about oneto two years, depending on how
it does on Broadway, or ifit's a limited run. So this one
is actually a limited run, butthey could always, you know, change
it and decide that they want totake it on tour as they did are
doing with Parade Parade, And isParade new or is that one of these

(31:44):
old Parade was a revival. Itoriginally came out about twenty years ago and
it came back this year with BenPlatt as the lead of Dear Evan Hanson,
Fame of What Fame Dear Evan Hanson, the twenty seventeen Tony winner for
Best Musical. He's the kid Hansenall grown up, cut the hair and
everything. Yeah, all right,if you say so, parade? And

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then what else you got? Andwhat else did you see? That was
the cut your eye? What wasyou? What is the sleeper hit that
you saw? I would say thatthat was Buenavista's Social Club. Oh that's
a good one, now you speakingmy land Atlantic Stage or at yeah,
Atlantic Theater, the Atlantic Theater.Yeah, it was off Broadway and is
a story about the making of therecord in nineteen ninety six and their backstory

(32:34):
in nineteen fifty six when Fidel Castrowas coming into power and so It tells
that story that reminds me of theMusical that Didn't go, which was the
making of the Vandal's Piece through VandalismEP, when Ronald Reagan was coming into
power. That would have been aheck of a musical. It didn't make
it. That's a shame. Itwas less popular than that than Springtime for

(32:59):
Hitler. Well, you know,Merrily We Roll Along was initially a flop,
and now it's thriving on Broadway,so it could be your time.
They can revive flops. Yeah,well, I mean it's a Stephen Sondheim,
so it has that name attached toit, a provenance we know.
Is Stephen Sondheim still alive? No, unfortunately, he passed away two years

(33:20):
ago. He's very much alive onBroadway and in the theater. He's got
Sweeney Todd. He's got Sweeney Toddgoing. The movie Here we Are is
playing at the Shed, and thatis off Broadway, and a company ran
on Broadway two years ago and nowit's on a national tour. You're mister
off Broadway as mister off Broadway pants. Yeah. Well, see the thing

(33:44):
is that I had seen all theshows on Broadway that I had to dive
deeper to find the things that arecoming to Broadway. It's like the minor
leagues of theater. And we're payingfor all of this. Not a dime
he's doing. He's digging into hisown pocket for the Joe Scalante Live from
Hollywood. It's on. You know, IOU's okay when when you come back,

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we're going to talk more about whathappened in Broadway and when he got
pushed onto the subway tracks and jumpedright back off. Right here on Joe
A. Scalante Live from Hollywood,and he's going to tell you how you
can see some of these some whatare the best plays and musicals to see
in Southern California. Joe Scalante Livefrom Hollywood. If by Hollywood you mean

(34:28):
Burbank, across the street from aWiener Snitzel that serves beer. And this
is two hours of the business,end of show business. This is our
number two tonight. Sometimes we don'tmake it this far, but here we
are. It is live December seventeenth. It is six oh six in the
city, joined here by Sam theEngineer of the Stars, and mister Broadway

(34:51):
Pants, the live theater expert thatwe send all over the country to at
the updates on the live theater world. Because I'm mister movie I'm taking a
photo right now. Yeah, that'sme on the mic. And then uh,

(35:13):
people coming in all the time takingphotos. I mean, I get
used to it. Anyways, youget the paparazzi chasing you, it happens.
Oh never. Actually, I thinkI'm you know, I'm happy with
the level of fame. I havea radio host, you know, no
problems. Every once in a whilesomeone goes, hey, I like the

(35:34):
vandals, or I like your radioshow. I like your shoes. I
like your shoes. I like you, I like your shoes. As code
in the backstage for my band andI go to the manager, hey don't
you have shoes like that? Andthat's his cue when I walk away to
get that person out of the dressingroom. But it doesn't have to be
me. It's not like, hey, manager, can you kick this guy

(35:55):
out? He's a punisher. No, you go coat. You always have
to have coats show business. Okay, mister broadway pants. What if I
wanted to thanks for your report onNew York. We might get back into
some of your New York stuff.What if I wanted to see some theater
in Los Angeles? What would Ido? Where would I go? Well,

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it is Christmas time, so thereare a few different Christmas shows that
are playing in the upcoming weeks.One would be How the Grinch Stool Christmas
Musical. That's a musical, itis, They got songs and everything.
It's at the Segerstrom Center and Coastto Mesa. That's a very nice theater,
it is. It's wonderful. Andthen we also have a Christmas story
that's playing at the almonds En.Well that's for hipsters only, though,

(36:39):
isn't it hipster's only for the mostpart. Yeah, you got to you
gotta have the glasses, you gottabe really cool. Peter Billingsley in it.
Greig at Unfortunately I don't think theywere cast in this production, but
he could be in the audience.Okay, never know. It's basically the
same story. It is the samestory. I haven't seen it. I'm

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gonna see it Tuesday. Oh onTuesday. See he doesn't mess around.
Wow, Okay, where's it atat the Oh? Yeah, the Omnis
that's a nice place too. It'sno, it's no secret stroom, but
you know it's it's it's one ofmy favorite theaters. Yeah, it's a
great, great venue. And isit better than Dorothy Chandler or is that
more for like opera? You know, I haven't even been to the Dorothy
Chandler. I'm not cool enough.They don't let me in there. They

(37:22):
let me in and they don't havea metal detector and that's the way I
like it. They do have oneat the Seagrums. I don't like it
goes. I got metal on memost of the time. Okay, it's
a nuisance, Yeah it is.Okay. So what if you wanted to
see, like what's like coming upwith the Pantages, these like big productions

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that they have there. That's wherepeople Is that the premiere Uh yeah,
I mean Hollywood Pantages. That's whereall the big Broadway shows come as their
first stop on national tour. Sothe Pantagious season is actually starting up very
soon and Jay is the first inits lineup that's a Michael Jackson musical.
So he's been rehabilitated to the pointwhere he can have his own music musical

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and and people will take their familiesto this. This is correct, yes,
but it focuses more on pre nineteenninety five. So it's him go
about to go on his Big Worldtour. It's framed as the MTV interview
that he did, and then itgoes back in time to his youth and
how he grew as an entertainer.That's interesting. Do you know, guys

(38:32):
know so many Michael Jackson jokes.I don't think. I don't think I'll
tell them because that's a new Joe. I don't tell Michael Jackson, Joeason.
It's very very grown up, matureof you. Yeah, okay,
so there's a Michael Jackson plague,MJ. So that's the hot ticket for
it now. So that was alreadyon New York. Yes, that was
in New York, assasce do well. It did great. It's actually still

(38:53):
playing in New York on Broadway.Actually, it's funny that when I did
see it on Broadway, Madonna wassitting three rows in front of me.
That can happen, huh in NewYork because they can't go have their own
private thing, so Madonna's gonna haveto sit in with the pubble. She's
in the house seats. Hmmm.That's kind of fun, very cool how
she looked you know she looked Okay, I'll say I got a close up

(39:17):
view of her hands that weren't youknow, Oh the hands you give it
to, hands, give it awayagain. Yeah, she just walked right
by me down the aisle and tonsof rings and jewelry and things. That's
kind of exciting. That's a veryexciting, uh Broadway experience. You never
know who you're going to see whenyou go to his show in New York.
Who else did you see? Anyother exciting people? I saw Lindsay

(39:38):
Lohan. That's really good. That'sa good one. That's a good one.
Michael Jackson can have a musical.I think Lindsay Lohan can have a
musical. The most recent one Isaw was Zoe Chow. I saw her
in the play called Appropriate. Shewas sitting two rows in front of me.
She's in Party Down and the AfterParty to two good comedies on streaming

(40:00):
sites. According to you, whodid I see? I saw? What
is the woman with the curly hairthat was married to the guy and the
top gun who's married to the guyin Topcunt Katie Holmes, the curly hair

(40:21):
Nicole Nicole kidd O, that onefrom AMC Fame, Yes, yeah,
the AMC. Well, I don'tgo to the MC, so you have
to watch that. Does everybody cheerwhenever that happens at the theater you go
to? There isn't much cheering now. I think it's just more every single
time. I just went to seeGodzilla and that there with Nicole Kidman shows
up and everybody starts cheering Nicole Kidmanas soon as it's like the movie The

(40:42):
Room at this point, Oh dude, don't get don't even get me started
on the Room. I've got pictureswith me and Tommy Wisso and everything like
that. You do now, yeah, it's like the Room. It comes
up, they laugh at they're laughingat her. I think kind of they,
you know, because it's it's well, they told the joke on the
Oscars. That was it was rememberthat jokes in the Oscars. Remember it
feels better in a place like this. They have that a line from the

(41:05):
Room, but no, it's aline from the from the They have AMC
backpacks that has the speech, theall text of what she says, all
text. Yeah you can okay,Yeah, they're leaning into it. Yeah,
I like that. They don't haveanything that good at the cinemak where
I go. But the they cinemahas they don't have that. They don't
have a Nicole, they have athey don't have. I mean, I'm

(41:28):
kind of jealous. You have aNicole Kidman. What time was I was
in New York and I saw NicoleKidman at lunch, sitting next to me
at the in Italy. You goto Italy, I've been there a few
times. Yeah, probably with mywife, No, but she did recommend
it. Yeah, I was inItaly, Nicole Kidman's sitting at the table
next to us. And then laterI went to see Cabaret with Ali coming.

(41:53):
Yeah, and the women forgot hername. Uh, the one that
you know that it was famous fordoing it and know that one that was
a long time ago. And Nicolekid Move was in the theater with us.
So lunch and at the theater.So yeah, you feature you go

(42:15):
to these things you're gonna. Ifyou're gonna, you can see some celebrities,
which is kind of fun. Okay, any other any other Broadway things
that we've forgotten before we take ourbreak and some people are like, oh
my gosh, I don't have atraffic app and I need to hear the
traffic from iHeartMedia, So they're reallywaiting for me to get to get into

(42:37):
this traffic. But before that,what do you got? I would say,
if you're looking for a comedy onBroadway, spam a Lot is a
very fun time. It's Monty Python. You're speaking the language of Sam and
Joe here, right. Oh yeah, spam a Lot. So that's good.
That lives up to the the tothe the standards of Monty Python humor.
Yes, yes it does. It'svery funny. What's the plot of

(42:58):
spam Alot? That's the Knights onthe quest to seek the Holy Grail.
It's and they got the coconuts andeverything, the coconuts to make the noise.
Right, that's got to be fun. Do you think that will come
to Los Angeles or better yet,do you think that will come to Seal
Beach? Yeah, it'll It'll cometo Main Street in twenty maybe the new
Bay Theater. Yeah, the BayTheater just live action, love it.

(43:22):
I mean you could put live theaterin the Bay Theater. Right, Why
don't you be become a promoter?There you go, Now, she takes
some money off this mister promoter pants, this hobby of you of yours?
Yeah, mister promoter pants. Okay, what about the Fat Mike musical?
I let you hear some of those. That's the no effects singer songwriter wrote

(43:43):
a musical and it's really good.I would love to see it or hear
some more music send it my way. But you saw it. It was
I mean you listened to I listenedto. Yeah, you played me a
song. Yeah, it's good stuff. It's better than Rent. Oh,
I wouldn't say that. I'm abit worse than Larson fan. So if
Jonathan Larson had anything to do withthe play Rent, shame on him.

(44:05):
He is the only one to dealwith the musical event. Isn't like a
documentary about his uh tic tick boom, Yeah, tick tick boom. Don't
get me started on tick tick boomfantastic. That's a pick tick tick disaster.
Like, the only thing worse thanthan the musical Rent is is going
through the pain of watching this guyuh you know, concoct it or whatever.

(44:29):
The songs are so uh substandard,they're They're just like the songs that
like your your nine year old wroteuh in a for an English class project,
and somehow he flubbed his way allthe way to Broadway and then and
which is a shame, and it'san insult to like Soundheimen and and uh

(44:50):
and uh, who's that guy?Uh that wrote Jesus Christ Superstar Harriet Beecher
Stowe, Jonathan Lord Taylor. What'shis name? You you were referring to
the fan of the opera creator.Yeah, Andrew Lloyd Webber. Andrew Lloyd
Webber. I thought it was somebodywith three names, that that guy's good,

(45:15):
that guy writes good songs. Maybeyou saw Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor
dream Coat and yes, and itwas many different colors that that is those
are good songs. Rent, Really, I mean, I'm watched I didn't.
I never went to see it.Someone threw a cassette and our tour
bus once and we just started listeningto it. And after like three songs,

(45:38):
I was about to just like takeone of the drumsticks from our drummer
and just shove it into my brainand take a chance on you know what's
on the other side. It wasthat painful. But you like it?
I guess, Uh what do youlike it? Why do you like it?
Just give me one sentence? Ithink the music is really and I've

(46:00):
just found myself drawn to enjoying it. I'm happy for you. Yeah,
I'm concerned for you, but I'mhappy for you. But it doesn't it
doesn't. It doesn't compare with AndrewLloyd Webber. It doesn't have the depth.
It's it's more kind of like poppy, cheesy, just fun. It's
like, I wrote this song infifteen minutes, but it's also about AIDS,
so it's fun with the well aidIt's gonna be fun. So I

(46:22):
hear yeah, starts out great,let's go to break all right, this
is you're listening to a show.I'm not even saying my name after that
because it's better not to say yourname because then people have to look up
who is the guy that said doeshorrible things? So this is a Phil

(46:42):
Henry show on k E. Ib AM eleven fifty Joe Scolante live from
Hollywood, if by Hollywood you meanBourbhand. We are here with mister Broadway
Pants talking Broadway and other things,and Sam the engineer running the spaceship Mister
Broadway Pants. I hope you'll indulgeme while I get back to the regular
topics that we talk about here onthe Live from Hollywood program. Okay,

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and since you're I ride home,I'm very happy that you have agreed to
that. Sam Terrence Howard, whatdo you think of him? Empire star?
He's talents a actor. He hada lot of hype coming out real
fast and real you know, hardand fast early in his career, and

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then it kind of faded and thenhe got on He was like on like
one of those C s I typeshows for a while, and then but
then he got on Empire and thenEmpire Empire shot straight up and then it
kind of fizzled. But he's nowsuing. This is a very interesting legal
case. He is suing his agency, c AA, the ones that made

(47:54):
the deal, because there were someprofits the the the show did well for
a while, so he's arguing thathe should have got profits and he was

(48:15):
cheated out of these profits because CIAwould have got him a sweet ass deal
if not for the fact that hewas black. So this is a show
with an all black cast, andbecause he's black, he did not get

(48:35):
a good deal. Is there likesome minor character that got all the profits?
And do we call that a sadsweet ass deal? It was a
sad ass deal is what he got. He's suing because he got a sad
ass deal or a spicy deal.What's the opposite of sweet sour? He
got a sour deal. Yeah,he got a soury deal. Wasn't a

(48:55):
savory He's very salty. So Imean it's interesting because he's not with CIA
anymore. And the show, likeI said, it got very high ratings,
is up to like maybe thirteen millionpeople or more, and then it
then towards the end it went backdown to like three million people. So
it did have a period where itwas doing very well, but then it

(49:19):
wasn't doing well and then and thenit had the Jesse Smollett situation where the
guy pretended that he was a victimof racism. A lot of racism involved
in this show, and so he'ssaying it was racism to not give him
the sweet ass deal that would havegiven him a bigger paycheck because he would

(49:39):
have these profits that he'd be swimmingin right now, Sam, what do
you think this should this should weshould actors be suing their old agencies for
not getting them the best deal thatthey could have got them in hindsight?
Does that sound like a world youwant to live in. Sure, he's

(50:01):
you know, he never plays along. Well, let me tell you,
since i'm the lawyer here to inthe Hollywood and mister Hollywood pants, that's
not a world you want to livein. So if you're an actor and
you get an agent, and theagent now has to worry about you suing
them if you don't, I mean, the pressures on anyway you get.
If you don't get a good deal, they're going to get rid of you,

(50:22):
and now they're going to sue youlater and then they're going to call
you a racist. So his agentsare now like if you talk to his
agents now, they're like, whatare you doing? Well, you know,
I'm being sued for being a racistbecause Terrence Howard. Well you know

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it was my client and I gothim a job on Empire. But because
he says because he was black,I didn't get him the good, the
good stuff, that's too bad.I didn't know you're a racist. But
I can'sociate with you anymore because that'sthat's horrible. I mean, So that's

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where that guy is now. Thedeal that he got him gave him three
hundred and fifty thousand dollars an episode. That's what he was earning on Empire.
That's really good. That's a sweetast deal. Three hundred and fifty
thousand dollars an episode. I'll takeit to walk in there and pretend you're
someone else for I don't know whatis eight nine ten days an episode.

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That's a lot more than a Broadwayshow would make an actor. That's very
good because I used to make TVdeals, mister Broadway pants, and when
we would bring, when we wouldam I My job was at CBS to
pay people as little amount of moneyas they're willing to work for, because
that's the marketplace. So you didit by the quote system, which is
since become illegal. And the quotesystem was call around and see what this

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person made, and if they wereon a TV show and it was a
successful TV show, bump them upfive ten thousand an episode. If it
was if it never aired, butthey were on a pilot, you're going
to get the same thing you gotlast time, and tell you we're on
a successful show. So that's howwe did it, and you know you
could. It's a it's a businessyou could count on. Uh, it's

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a little more complicated now, butif we had someone from Broadway, and
I would say, like, whodo we got here? Uh, Sidney
Portier. This is a true story. I got Sidney Portier's gonna read for
this role in this stupid TV show. Okay, I'll call up and make
an offer, and then the castingdepartment go, okay, Joe. Now,

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I don't know if you know whoSidney Portiers, but guess who's coming
to dinner? And he is inthe Uh, well it's one that one.
I forgot that one exactly yeah,but exactly yeah. I go,
really, I only heard of oneof them. Anyway, I knew he
was a a legend. But myjob was to pay Sidney Portier the least

(52:55):
amount of money he's willing to workfor. So I got to do the
quote system. So I call allaround. How much does he? Uh?
What was he making? Uh?In Broadway? Think something? Meanwhile,
I'm paying two hundred and fifty granda week for William Shatner, two
hundred and fifty grand an episode forWilliam Shatner, two hundred grand for Chuck

(53:15):
Norris. At the time, Wow, Uh, Sidney Poortier, he was
making like forty five hundred a week. Uh Uh In Broadway. So I
you know, they asked me,what are you going to offer him?
Don't know, forty five hundred episode. I knew I would offer him a
little more than that, but Ijust wanted them to panic. Oh boy
did they panic. Oh my lord, they hit, They just hit the

(53:37):
ceiling. I forgot what I endedup. I think I ended up offering
him like seventy five an episode.And his agent was said, are you
kidding me? You know, somethinglike that or whatever. If you want
to hear Sidney Portier Cuss, goon Spotify and look for the crank call
called tussor with Love, which Ibelieve is on there. And he's a

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he's a beautiful, wonderful man,but this crank caller, guy Longmont postion
Castle, got him to lose it. And there are other stories coming up
after the break. Joe Ascalante Livefrom Hollywood, Well Hollywood, you mean
Burbank. We're here with mister BroadwayPants and Sam the Engineer, and we

(54:21):
were talking about Terrence Howard suing cAA, the biggest agency in the world,
over the show Empire because he claimshe was underpaid on the Fox series.
And you know, legally, I'mhere to tell you, I don't
get it. You make an arm'slength negotiation and you hire your agents and

(54:42):
their agents when you sign with them, they'll tell you that they you know,
I would, I would, Iwould assume like in the language I've
seen for representations, I can't alwayspromise the outcome. You know, we're
not here to promise you the idealoutcome, and you don't have to go
here. And you can also makethese deals yourself. But if you want

(55:02):
us to work on behalf of you, you know, you got to kind
of tell it. You work withus, but you got to live with
the results unless you find some negligence. And so I guess in a trial
we would be looking for some negligence, but I don't think we're going to
find them because he just said itwas racism just that caused them to not

(55:28):
pursue as good a deal as theycould have because he was black. So
I asked, Sam, if youwanted to live in a world where you
could just, you know, sueyour agent if you didn't like how the
deal turned out absolut years later,and Sam, Sam is a I think
that you should go ahead and dothat. I, on the other hand,

(55:51):
think that agents have it hard enough, and everybody's sitting around the table
saying, Okay, we're gonna we'regonna try to get you the most money
that we can get you, andwe also want you to understand that the
more money you get, the morewe get. So it's not like an
agent. So you would have toif I'm in the jury, you would
have to make me believe that thisagent is trying to get the most money

(56:16):
he can to pay for his boatand everything. But if the client's black,
he'll pull back a little because it'sjust not right to ask for that
much money because we all understand that, you know, given the situation,

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he shouldn't have as much money asa white person. Does he think a
jury is going to go for that? And the answer, by your eyes
is no, no, that's no, a jury won't go for that.
But that doesn't it doesn't mean thathe doesn't have the right to sue.
Well, what about I'd like touse in the case like this is the

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courts are there for the people whodon't have access to justice on their own.
So the court comes in and isfor every man and the underprivileged to
fight the power. And if youclog the courts with cases from people who
are making three hundred and fifty thousanddollars an episode so that they can I

(57:21):
like it to say, it's themillionaires trying to become billionaires and now they're
going to use the court system todo it. It could be described as
wrong, and you know, hehe's using the courts in a way that
they can be used. But morally, I think you should let someone else

(57:43):
have access to justice and kind ofjust move on to your next You're also
like in Hollywood in general, it'snot your first deal that's going to get
your rich. You're second or thirddeal, So just you don't cry so
much about your first deal. Andthis is not his first. It might
be a second or third deal,but three hundred and fifty thousand an episode.
He's a superstar, and you know, maybe you should have got profits,

(58:07):
but wow, you know, youmove on, You move on to
your next show, and you getthem. There's no reason why he can't
get a million in episode someday,likely like other people that have gotten those
fears. There's no there's no reasonwhy he can't. So my advice to
you, Terrence is look to thefuture and get to a million dollars and

(58:28):
get those profits, but or produceyour own shows and get those profits.
But this is a way to notget to a million dollars. Because he
even said, he goes, Imay never work again because I'm doing this.
I'm going after the most powerful agency. And this agency has does have
power. Yeah, and they Andlet's say a movie comes out and says

(58:49):
this is a movie. We've alreadygot Terrence Howard attached. We want to
go after this CAAA client of yours. Let's say it's Florence Pugh. I
don't know who a re agent is, but we want Florence Peugh to be
in this show with with with TerrenToward. How's that gonna go? Sam?
Not well, no, no oh, we have a TV show.

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It's a million in episode, butit's not for you. We have another
one one hundred one thousand in episode, and we we will put Florence Pew
in that one because there's only elevenone point one million available for the cast,
and we're gonna give a one millionto Florence Pugh. We're gonna give
a hundred thousand to Terrence Howard becausewe hate him and he sued us and

(59:34):
he called us racist, and we'rethe most powerful agency in the business.
So if he would have called me, I would have advised against this,
and I would think he would hewould someday he could get He's a great
actor. He was in wo wasin Hustle and Flow. What a great
movie A long time ago Greig Brewerfilm. He hit his peak right off
the bat, though, Yeah,he like his critical peak was right off

(59:55):
the bat. He was great anywayhe would he could, he could get
there, but the I don't knowif this is the best way to get
there. He also had problems whenthey got him this show. He had
a restraining order against him for domesticviolence against his wife, Michelle Howard.
She claims that he abused her throughouttheir short marriage, even threatening to kill

(01:00:15):
her. That's her version of it. But the agents, I'm not saying
that's true. There's no evidence thatI see, you know, just she
said he said whatever. But that'swhat his agents had to go through.
And then they had to say,hey, look I got Terrence Howard.
He's mprobably know, he's got someproblems in the past. None of that
was true, blah blah blah.What he got for him. I got
three fifteen episode. Wow, that'spretty good. And do they throw out

(01:00:38):
a figure that he thinks would justifyhis value. Not yet, because I
would like to I'd be curious toknow what his market price. He just
says there's a lot of wealth there, that there's so much that there was
for a while there was fifteen millionviewers, so that the generated wealth from
the advertising revenue should be shared withhim. Now they don't share advertising revenue

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with anybody, So what they shareis what your profits come from is not
from advertising revenue. It's from syndicationrevenue. Because when you sell a show
to a TV series, they're barelypaying for the cost of the show.
They might even be underpaying for thecost of the show. But when you

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sell it in its afterlife, allthe Empire episodes, if they're on My
TV or Cozy TV or even Netflixfor a few years, that's going to
generate some money, and that moneywould be shared with the profit participants.
It's arguable whether he should have gotthat or not, but it's one of

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those things where you can go forwardand you can get it next time,
or you can sue these people andcall them races. And I guess the
idea is enough is enough, I'mgoing to sacrifice my career to oh that
this happens to other people of colorand they've got and we've got to stop.

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I think that's his point. He'sdoing it. He's taken one for
the team. He doesn't mind ifhis career suffers because he's gonna do it
for actors coming forward. Do nottreat other actors of color like this.
And if white people get profits,everybody gets profits if they're talented actors.
I'm sure that's what he would tellyou he's doing, and he's and it's
a noble thing. I'm not smartenough to know whether in the long run

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that's a more noble thing. Theguys who are being called racist to them,
they're just like, I'm gonna probablyget out of this business and get
into the felt industry or something.I can just you know, working on
his day without someone trying to destroyme with accusations like this. Ah.
The felt industry is a growth industry, you know what. It's a it's

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a good business. There's a there'sa good business. The filth industry.
You get a lot of benefits andall the markers you can handle, and
you can you can you help childrenbecause sometimes you know, they make those
felt uh storyboard hour, you knowyou here's the sun, you know,
and then here's the here's the birdflying by. Those are fun, beauty,

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Thanks Sam for making it beautiful.Towards the end, here we got
one more segment coming up. Joe'scalanteLive from Hollywood continues, Yeah, Joe,

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ask Colorante. Here's my lawyer.You don't want Joe'scalante Live from Hollywood
by Hollywood, you means bird Bank. All right, I've got a lot
of stuff to cover before we getout of here. Uh. The we
were talking earlier about January first,Mickey Mouse goes in to blic domain this

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January first, twenty twenty four,Mickey Mouse from the Steamboat Willie era.
Though, So don't be running aroundgetting crazy with the guy, you know,
the guy in the wizard hat.None of that. It's just the
old rat faced one. A lotof stuff goes into public domain every year.
And mister Broadway Pantry were talking aboutthe Great Gatsby recently went into public

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domain. Yes, yes it did. And so now there are two musicals
that are gonna make make their attemptat reaching Broadway from two different production companies.
One ran in October in New Jerseyat the paper Mill Playhouse and that
started Evan Noble Azzada of Hadestown fame. And then the other one will be

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premiering in Cambridge in twenty twenty fourfrom the American Repertory Theater, and that
one's just called Gatsby. Gats Nowwas there or the is the first Broadway
treatments of the of the Great Gatsby? To my knowledge it is. I
know there is an immersive theater offBroadway immersive production of the Great Gatspeed,
but I don't know if there's everbeen a Broadway show. As long as

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there's not an immersive rent, thenI'll be okay, okay, well yeah,
so And the one thing to keepin mind about Mickey Mouse in the
as your attorney, I have toadvise you there's still a trademark on Mickey
Mouse for theme parks. So thisisn't like you can associate Mickey Mouse with

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your product. You know, youcan't say I've got Mickey Mouse cupcakes or
whatever Mickey Mouse rave I'm putting onor whatever. They have a trademark.
They have so many trademarks they willcome after you. But so you could
take the rat face Mickey mouse andyou could put them on something and get

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away with it. But you gotto be really careful because just because you
think you're following all the rules doesn'tmean they won't send you a cease and
desist and just make your life hell. So you got to be careful with
that kind of stuff. All right, back to what we were talking about
before with Terrence what's his name,Terrence Howard and some we got another case.

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Well, actually this one doesn't haveanything to do with that one.
This one involves fifty Cent. He'sdeveloping a documentary on the P Diddy allegations,
because you know P Diddy has gota lot of women suing them for
sexual assault, and isn't that weird? Like fifty Cent's going to take the
lead on this very strange. Yeah, So I mean, why would you

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want to, like, why wouldyou want to do that? And you're
gonna make any money? Well,actually this thing might make money. He
put on Twitter that he is goingto proceeds from this documentary will go to
victims of sexual assault and rape verygood, not just sexual assault, also
rape very good. We got tosupport those shorties. You know, yeah,

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okay, so I just thought thatwas weird. I just thought that
was weird. Now we got anotherstory about trying to like get to everything
Adam McKay's don't look up. Didanybody here see it? Uh no,

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but I remember you telling me aboutyour feelings about it. I thought it
was good. A lot of peoplesaid it was uh. You know,
Leonardo DiCaprio in it, and he'salways good. And it was one of
those streaming movies like during the pandemic. You're like, hey, we don't
have to go to the theater,We're going to watch premiere Hollywood Entertainment right
here in our homes. And Ihad didn't have a problem with it.

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Some people thought it was dumb.I'm one of those people. You thought
it was dumb, mister Broadway andhester didn't care for it. But there's
a problem. So we don't knowhow much it made. It was on
Netflix. They didn't really tell you. But in twenty twelve, a Louisiana
Baths author published a book called Stanley'sComment and he claims they stole his book.

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He says they just and then okay, what do you okay? Could
that be true? What do youhave to have. What are the two
things we must have for a copyrightinfringement case. Well, I don't expect
you to remember, but number oneis we need substantial similarity. Are these
products or these works substantially similar?Meaning could it would it be too hard

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to believe that they were independently created. One of them had to copy from
the other. So to the pointwhere you say, oh, they are
substantially similar in a legal sense,okay, so you have to have that.
The number one is you have tohave access. The one person had
to have access to the material.So if you send it to somebody and

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they say, oh, thank youvery much, and then they make something
very similar, that's the access.If you if it was widely disseminated and
published and everybody saw it, likemaybe the movie Star Wars. Everybody had
access to Star Wars. So thatwe assume the axis is there substantial similarity
we're gonna for the tryers of factmaybe to discover. And it's kind of

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like it. It couldn't have beenindependently thought of, you know, like
monkeys in a typewriter, monkeys ina room with the type of a thousand,
monkeys with a thousand typewriters, andthey all work, and it goes
on for a long time, andthe monkeys live long enough to spit out
some Shakespeare. It's a lot ofwork hours. Yeah, it's a lot
of work hours, and there's nolost time accidents. Then you could if
that, if it couldn't happen thatway, then you have substantial similarity.

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In this case, the access thatWilliam Caller is is asserting is that he
gave it to this one girl whogave it to this one guy who worked
for the company that represented Adam McKay, And so there is a little chain
and it was sent over there,and you could infer that it was sent

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there to his representative. He gota chance to look at it. That's
if you're trying the other if you'reAdam McKay or so, I didn't see
that book. I don't read everythingbook that comes into my my manager's office.
I don't know who this guy is. So where did the idea come
from? So if there's a lawsuit, he'd have to reveal, Well,
here's where I got it from.I thought of it very creative, and

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Adam McKay is very creative. Now, what about the substantial similarity as I
have gone over this thing, soyou don't have to. It looks to
me like there's no smoking gun.It's just, well, there's a guy
who discovers that a comment's going toland on the earth and he's trying to

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tell everybody, Hey, everybody,you got to pay attention to this,
and for political reasons, they ignorehim, and then you know the comment's
coming and m mister Brody pinch.Do you think two people could think of
that same plot if they've seen themovie armyged In? Ooh ooh possibly oh
sick per sicker. Yeah, it'sthat kind of thing where you kind of

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go back. Or maybe he didn'tsteal from them, maybe he stole it
from someone else. Yeah, Sowe'll follow this story and keep you up
to date on who's gonna win andwhether this guy's going to get a pay
day or they're gonna because if they, you know, because he either fight
if you're Adam and Kay, eitherfight it like screw that guy, or
you're like, well, I justgive him some money, but then I'm
gonna have to admit that I stoleit, So that's how these things go.

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Or he has to share his storyabout how he came up with the
idea. Yeah, maybe that's nota pretty story. No, maybe he
stole it from a child something thatwas Yeah, yeah, starving African child.
That would be even worse. Allright, So, Uh, anyway,
we're gonna wrap up things here prettysoon, and I want to let
you know that the Vandal's Christmas Showis sold out at the at the Anaheim

(01:11:58):
Uh how the Blues. It's soldout really early this year, so you're
not going to get to see thatthere if you don't already have tickets.
But we added a second night atthe Ventura, the Majestic Ventura Theater in
Ventura, California. It's a nicespot, right, so you can see
it there. And there's a milliontickets available for that. I mean not

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a million, but there's some.By the time you're hearing this in the
podcast, that could be gone,so you better hurry. The entire population
of Ventura County will be there.All the Nardcourt people we have will be
there. We have to celebrate Josh'sbirthday. Yeah, Josh Frees, our
drummer, was born on Christmas Dayand that's always special. And this year

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the theme of the Christmas shows isfruitcake delicious. I was thinking we could
start calling it Josh Miss Josh Miss. Keep working on that, all right,
I'll run it through some people andsee if we can come up with
something better. That's pretty good.See my nephew over here, mister brodbay
pants beat you there, you go, all right? Let's I now will

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leave you with just a taste ofthe greatest song ever written. What would feel