It Ends with Litigation

Joe Escalante's weekly dip into the business end of showbiz. This week: the latest from the Kendrick Lamar/Drake lawsuit. Don't know why people call it that, when Drake is suing everyone except Kendrick Lamar... Also, the latest from the box office, and how things got so bad on the set of a Blake Lively's film that they had to call together a crisis meeting to stop the director from showing random people porn on his phone. And Adele is getting sued by a Brazilian guy for stealing a song that he may have taken from the Phantom of the Opera... or not... We'll let Joe decide before the courts decide.

Joe didn't see any movies this week because he was managing Sublime in Cancun, and planning a Christmas show for his own band. Someone will watch Sonic 3 by next week, I promise.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Joe'scolante live from Hollywood. By Hollywood, you mean Burbank, across
the street from a Wiener Schnitzel that sells beer. It's
also a combination Wiener Schnitzel dairy queen. Did you know that, Sam?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, I actually like the ice cream too.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh yeah, it's tremendous over there. This is two hours
of the business end of show business. So you're lucky
you just tuned into the right radio station, KiB eleven
fifty on your AM dial. When we do this every Sunday.
A lot of times during the NFL were preempted by
the National Football League, But today, Wow, Sam, they just

(00:48):
going to we're doing a live show. Even when we
don't have a live show, we still do a podcast version,
and this show will be a podcast in just a
few hours.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah. Yeah, as soon as we're done, I'm gonna sit
down and cut it up and we'll we'll give the
baby a name and let it fly.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
All right. We were talking before we got on. I
had I think I talked about this before. I wasn't
going to talk about it, but Sammy had some interesting
takes on the the Drake situation.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, well, and I don't know if you've paid attention
to it.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
You know what I paid attention to it. I talked
about it, yeah, and then I forgot about it.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, because it's interesting. It stems from the rap beef
that's going on between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, and both
of them very good rappers. Kendrick Lamar basically ended the
rap battle with a song called They Not Like Us,
and it was a song that really pointed a lot

(01:53):
of fingers, a lot of negative stuff, made some accusations
about Drake and things like that, and Drake went on
the offensive, but not by picking up a mic, by
picking up a lawyer, and he sued everybody associated with
the song except for Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, it's pretty strange. He's he. What I had read
was that he was suing Universal, his own label.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
And which is also Kendrick's label.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, Kendrick label, and iHeart, which is our employer, Yeah,
and saying that they manipulated airplay to get more plays
for this. They they aren't like They They not like us. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure that's a typo. Did they Did someone

(02:45):
check that out? They not like us?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
They not like us?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
No, They're not oh, they they not like us, like
they don't like us or they they just forgot.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
The verb they are not they are not the verb
he forgot.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I wonder why he left that out. And then maybe
it's so people like me wouldn't know what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Maybe maybe maybe, But in.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Any case, so he's that's that's your understanding of it too.
I I did this and I forgot about it, he's suing.
He's saying that that that they shouldn't have the airplay
that it does.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah. Well, also they're saying that it's uh, it's not
just the airplay, it's the fact that the label promoted
it knowing that Drake is one of their more renowned
stars and this is going to be something that defames him.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, are they? Does he have a defamation part of
the suitors. I thought that it was just the airplae stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Well, no, the defamation is real. He they made some accusations.
Shall we say it was the song itself had some accurate.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yes, it's I I did read it. He's got a
song called certified lover Boy. Yeah, and then uh, then
Drake says, more like certified pedophile pedophiles And that's pretty bad.
It makes me believe that Drake Drake is the pedophile or.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's the accusation from Kendrick even had a line in
the song.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Which ones and when they're calling who's the certified lover boy,
that's Drake or that's Kendrick.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Drake is the one who is having the Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, Certified lover Boy is an album by Drake. So
Kendrick Lamar says, more like certified pedophiles and that makes
me believe. So what do we need for a defamation case.
We go through this all the time, and it's really
good for people that know this because people are always
thinking they're being defamed and they're I'm going to sue

(04:49):
you for that. But if they listen to this show,
they we could save him some time and some trouble.
On this show, we point out that number one, the
claim has to be defamatory in the sense that it
would make people spit on the ground if they heard it.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
There's a lot of spit on the ground right now,
just saying do just.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Take the pedophile part. If someone if tells you that,
like your neighbor is a pedophile, you spit on the
ground and go that's disgusting. Yeah, you don't spit on
your hands by all means.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Unless you're planning on coming up with a deal with
somebody else and both of you spit on your hands
and shake hands. Yeah, that's kind of the of the West.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
But you spit on your hands and you go disgusting. Oh,
now that is defamatory. That's definitely defamatory statements. But there's
a couple other things. It has to be not true.
So if you sue someone and then they go ladies
and gentlemen, their defense is I point you to the
Drake computer screen where there are pictures of naked children,

(05:57):
and here's one of him assaulting one, and we have
certified this computer and that it is his, then he
would be a certified pedophile. You can only say that
if it's true. You can't say it if it's not true. However,
there's one now that if that was just a regular person,
But if you're a celebrity, there's one more hurdle that

(06:18):
the plaintiff would have to overcome, and that would be
was there malice because he's famous? So people people are
always throwing around things to famous people that like maybe
they might say Lebron James is a bum. Now you know,
bum that means you don't work, you don't support your family. Disgusting.

(06:43):
But you say he's a bumb. You can say that
every day in your sports call him and call him
a bum because he's famous. So it has to get
this across this threshold of malice. You're not saying it
because you're saying because you believe he's a bum or
he's your opinion, he's a bum in terms of sports,
and you're not, so you the malice would be. Let's

(07:04):
say there was a you had some official capacity of
like you're the coach, and you said he is a
bum because you thought he was about to be like
he was going to be go for another team and
then go work for another team, and the team was
like gonna gonna pay him, they were thinking about what
to pay him, and then you said, I have to

(07:26):
warn you the guy is a bum. He doesn't work,
he doesn't support his family. All the money that that
that we give him he uses for drugs or whatever
like and then and then the other team would not
and you're trying to get the other team not to
hire him. Yeah, that would be malice. You you you
had an agenda in this case, he's calling this guy
a pedophile. Do you think that he gets past the

(07:52):
the public figure threshold by virtue of that being malicious
to try to do something? Is there a goal.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Here, that's the thing. It's a rap battle. Yes, So
he didn't sue the rapper. He sued the distributor.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Right, So they're saying, where's my malice. Your malice is
you're trying to make my records not sell. And they're like,
why not, why would we do that? We own your
record label and we make money if you make money.
But this is a rap battle and it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, fire back, it's making everybody money.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yes, So a judge might go, look, this is not malice.
This is just rap battles. And so he's suing the
wrong people because if he did sue this one, if
he did sue.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
If Drake sued Kendrick, he lost the battle.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, it's no longer a rap battle. It's just like, hey,
you went too far. Yeah, because in a rap or
any honorable contest, there is a point at which you
go too far, and that could be you went too far,
and the whole case could be about this guy going
too far, and maybe Drake's kids are kicked out of

(09:14):
their private school, their their preschool or whatever that they
you know, wait waitlisted forever to get into. And then
he's dropped by his agency because they think he's a pedophile.
And he can show these damages that people take it seriously,
then I would say Lamar has a problem. Yeah, so

(09:37):
this will be interesting if it goes forward.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
The funny part is that that Lamar, Kendrick Lamar had
a concert up in Canada recently up I believe, up
in Toronto in Drake's neck of the woods. And it
was a sold out show and Drake bought the first
three rows out.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Oh yeah, I heard about this.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
So then Kendrick Lamar went and just made it a
free show.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Made the whole thing a free show.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh, you just started letting people in. So what if
you what if you bought the first and fourth row
you paid?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I think he gave people refunds for refunds. Yeah, so
it just became a free concert.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
And then uh, then Drake said, Nina, Nina, Nina, I
made you spend a bunch of money. And then then
Lamar said, I have more money than you. You'll never
know what it's like to have the money I have.
It's funny that you're mad about that, because money is
nothing to me. I have so much of it. That's
how I wrap battle.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh it was so good, you like, I just love it.
No ever one thing. You just just don't piss off
Kendrick Lamar's everybody.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, I knows. I don't know what the trouble is
with these two musicians. I think they should patch it up.
But because also the courts, my friend, are not supposed
to be used for childish stuff like this. They're used
for so people to get access to justice. I'm uh,

(10:56):
there's a lawsuit that I'm advising on right now, and
the trial day is you know, it just it just
got filed a couple of weeks ago. The trial leaders
in two thousand and six, twenty six, twenty twenty six,
So it's there's you know, justice delayed is justice denied,
they say. And it's people like this that are making
things worse, not making things better. But I don't know

(11:18):
too many things that have ever been made better better
by rap music. You know, sometimes it's fun, but nothing
has ever made better rarely. All right, Joe Scalante Live
from Hollywood. Let's stick to traffic. Oh, we don't have
traffic today because there is no traffic. I just drove
here and I sailed right through.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah. Nothing, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Nothing to check. Nope, Joe'scalante Live from Hollywood. If by
Hollywood you mean bird Bank. So Sam in the Celebrities
Behaving badly department, we have Blake Lively, the star of
It ends with us. This thing I don't watch. You

(11:59):
know that's a TV series, right, I hope?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
So?

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, so it ends with us, you know, I just
I just don't see this one. There's too many. I
like the penguin. Do you like the penguin?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I need to watch the Penguin. We've mentioned this one
last week. The penguin sounds amazing, and I guess it's.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Oh, it's a movie. It ends with us. It's my apology. Oh,
this is movie news. The director and co star Justin
Baldoni has been sued by the star Blake Lively, who
says that she was sexually harassed by Justin Baldoni. Do

(12:43):
you know do you hear about this? Sam?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
I didn't. I just saw this headline right now, and
it's I know who they are. I'm just trying to
figure out exactly what the intricacies are and of this
one is because it just happened about a day ago.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, we're going to get to this later in the show.
And while we're talking about movies, let's go look at
the box office. See what's going on. Because, as I
mentioned in a week's previous there with all the negative
things about the movie box office and all the people

(13:18):
that are supposedly not going to the movies and movie
theater shutting down, et cetera, over Thanksgiving, that the biggest
box office ever. So, the biggest box office ever happened
over Thanksgiving, like the biggest numbers. I mean, it's not
adjusted for inflation really, but it's going up, not down.

(13:41):
And then here's another story about the box office. Disney
has been the first studio since the pre pandemic days
to reach five billion in box office as a studio,
So Disney and we have some there's some So Disney
haters on like on the internet, like in the clickbait

(14:06):
is always is is Disney going out of business? Or
is is bob Iger? Uh? Can bo bob Iger possibly
save Disney from bankruptcy? Stuff? Like that where it's like
super extreme. I don't know why people like I know

(14:28):
why you could. You can like a company, you can
aid a company. A lot of people don't like them
because of their professed uh morality that they're uh infusing
into their programming. Okay, fine, but what you're going to
spend time creating content to bash them? I don't understand that.

(14:55):
I mean, you can disagree with what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
A lot of people have issues with the fact that
they're just by into everything that they've held sacred. Marvel,
Star Wars, a lot of these things that like they
want Disney to just be Disney as like as far
as their memory goes, and not try to invade all
of these other properties that people really have this deep

(15:19):
seated affection for, yet are totally like hateful about every
bit and piece of product that comes out from these
properties and are totally critical of them because they don't
like the fact that it's not being totally one up
to Cannon. And it's like, you know, these people nowadays
are trying to do stuff that's different that picking up

(15:40):
more of an audience or whatever. And you know, you
saw Star Wars basically get railroaded by its own fans.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Well, it is terrible though you have to admit, ye,
Star Wars movies are terrible. They was good, but that.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
That and and or are Piggyback and all the Star
Wars right now. But it's still like at all of
that problem started when Disney started getting their hands into it.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
But people also are mad at their political agenda, oh
for sure, and but two and I think that's fair
if you want to be mad at them or not
to me, it's just like there's there's probably things that
you know, they they probably shouldn't do, should probably stay
more middle in the middle of the road. But if

(16:31):
you're offended by if you don't want any gaze to
work at Disney, there's not gonna be any good Disney
stuff because they're very creative. So then you can say, well,
then I just won't watch it. Okay, there's a lot
of people like that. I know. I know some people,
and they will not give one cent to Disney. They
won't go to the park, they won't get Disney. Plus,
they won't go to Nutsberry Farm, even though Disney doesn't

(16:52):
own nuts Berry Farm, but they they but it has
roller coasters. I'm just kidding. They So is this having
an effect on Disney. Uh, there's a there's a story
out now that says claims that there's an animated series
called Win or Lose by Pixar and it no longer

(17:15):
includes a transgender storyline, and so they're just getting rid
of that. They just decided. A spokesman person for Disney said,
when it comes to animated content for a younger audience,
we recognize that many parents would prefer to discuss certain
subjects with their children on their own terms and timeline.
This is in direct uh contradiction to their their previous thing,

(17:43):
which was you know that executives saying it is important
that we steer the culture in a progressive direction. I
mean they were like pretty pretty uh transparent about that,
and now they're saying, only many transgender storylines and our stuff,

(18:03):
But the parents do that, I mean, you know, really
it's just for the parents. So yeah, they did about face.
Now did they do it because they were it was
costing them money? Or did they do it because somebody
finally won a battle over there and said, you know what, guys,
you got to stop it. It's a headache. You give
me a headache. I'm getting complaints. Do we have to

(18:24):
have these gig characters, these transgenders, these do we have
to can't we just let the parents do that? What
do you think it is?

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I think they finally realized that they were alienating a
good chunk of their audience, and just by the sheer,
just by the sheer mention of that of Disney, by
people like Ron DeSantis as soon as it gets mentioned.
It's everything is so polarized in this country that you're

(18:55):
falling on one side or another of every single topic
instead of just saying, look, it's not our fight.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah are yeah, or like yeah, we don't like that,
but we still go to Disney, And pretty soon it's like,
you know, the they're the two camps. If you're in
the camp that hates Disney and something, well you're going
to Disney. They go to Disney. Wow, I would never
do that. Ye are you really? Don't you? Don't you
love your children? Don't you want him to grow up
solid citizens? How dare you spit on the ground? Right? Yeah? So?

(19:25):
I mean for me, I don't like to boycott things
because I'm such a weak person. I can't really sooner
or later I got to boycott Disney, and I'm like,
but I love the Jingle Cruise, So I'm just gonna
go the Jungle Cruise and then and then I'm gonna leave.
I'm not gonna buy a pineapple doll whip. You know,
I just don't. I just don't listen.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I go.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
You guys do that, and I'm over here. Every once
in a while, I might punish a company if I
see him doing something stupid, but it's you know, I'll say, well,
I'm not gonna buy that today, I'm gonna I'm gonna
buy the other one. But you start boycotting these things
and you're just like yourself into a corner. And then
when you get out of it and you've decided you

(20:03):
have to you have to buy the product or go
back or see the actor in a movie. Now you
look like a hypocrite. So I don't do it. All right,
let's take a break, and then we're gonna see how
Disney and other movies fared at the box office this weekend.
Shoe Ascolante Live from Hollywood Show business stuff. Hey, so

(20:28):
people you know are going to movies now, Sam, have
you seen any movies in the last week since since
we were on there.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I need to remember to keep pushing my button. I
keep talking and it's not on. Yeah no, not since
last week. No, I have not caught anything. I stayed
in I stayed in bed and slept. I'm so happy
that I'm done with school.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, I was just oh my gosh, too much. I
had the Kyrock Acoustic Christmas last Saturday or Friday, an
think it was.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
How was it?

Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's a big spectacle, you know, it's great, it's great,
it's it's no. iHeart Radio Fest though obviously no. But
it's cute at the Fabulous Forum and Sublime played, as
you know, that's the band that I manage, and there
was us who Beck and Smashing Pumpkins and three eleven

(21:21):
and the Linda Linda's and it was fun, you know,
because you know, playing in a band most of my life.
The Forum is the biggest like target I think of
any rock band at least like we're going to sell
out the Forum. And you know, my own band, the Vandals,

(21:42):
can only sell out the House of Blues, which is
a major achievement for a stupid punk band. But we're
not getting near the Forum. But now that I'm in
the manager racket, hey, my band's at the forum. Hey,
my band's on the main stage at Coachella. I can
live through these kidstually two of them are my same age,
but there's a kid singer. And then it was it

(22:06):
was good, but then after that, I'm saying that. And
then two nights before that they played in CanCon two
nights in a row.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
And a company Christmas no less.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, there was a company Christmas. I think we talked
about last week.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I heard pay attention. I mean, I love I love
the California Adventure Christmases. Those are amazing. Thank you k
Coast one oh three point five for all of your
lovely work and everything.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
But man, can coon can Coon at the Moon Palace.
It's a it's an upscale resort down there. And then
Post Malone and Weezer and Sublime, and then they had
like Whiz Khalifa the day before and then Nelly the
day before that. It's just like, you know, they like
rock and roll over there at that company. It was

(22:49):
a power company that rehabs houses. I think like they
get destroyed and hurricanes and things like that. Really yeah, wow,
you might think that disaster profiteers, but I wouldn't look
at it like that, I would say, these guys are
helping people and getting justly compensated and giving some of

(23:09):
it to me. Okay, now I think it's all on
the up and up. And then you know, and then
then then we fly back and then we got to
play the form that night, and then I had these
Vandals Christmas shows, and then the House of Blues in
San Diego and then House Bols Anaheim, and then we

(23:31):
then we have to rehearse. Then had to go to
something at this like this pizza place down in Newport
Beach and appear, you know, because you got to sell tickets,
so you got to do things to sell tickets. Now,
the Anaheim one was sold out, but the San Diego
one wasn't. So I gotta go, uh play with this
band called Tasty Nugs at a at the Remember the

(23:51):
poor Man on the radio? Oh yeah, So the poor
Man has a he has a radio station down there
in San Diego in it's more Orange County. I think
it's called KOs or something like that. So anyway, he's
on the air there and they do annual Christmas show there.
So now that's four Christmas shows I've been to, including
my own. So I went and played that thing. Uh,
and you know, I just not get any rest. And
then tonight I got to drive to Burbank. Yes, we're

(24:14):
in Burbank, across the street from a Wienerschnitzel. It's selling
beer right now.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
And ice cream.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah you got a beer float?

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Oh, I guess you could. And uh yeah, just like
so that's a long way of saying, I didn't see
any movies this week. When was I going to see
a movie?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
You didn't have any time.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Not gonna go see a movie next week? So but
number one at the box office, take a guess.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Moana dos no.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Sonic Sonic two or Sonic three and Hedgehog today.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
I've heard very good things.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's gotta be good if Jim Carrey is sticking with it.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I think he was very much not wanting to be
a part of the second one, but a lot of
people saw his performance in the first one and we're like, dude,
you gotta come back and do this again. Do it big,
do it, do it bigger.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
So that's number one. I'm doing sixty two million dollars
in money.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's the one I'm going to be seeing with the
kids once they get back in town. They're up. They're
going to have a white Christmas in the snow, which I'm.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Going to be which mountains, because there's no mountains in
this where my cabin is. Shasta is no snow.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
They to Shasta.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
I've climbed. No, I haven't climbed out Chesta. I climb
out Lasson. Okay, it's not it's just walking up a trail.
But it's right by over there. Okay. So Mufasa the
Lion King is number two, and that's a new one.
That's a lion king, you know, adjacent thing. Number three
is the movie Wicked. Never heard of it? Number four Moana.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Does how many of these top four or five are
Disney adjacents?

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Well, this is two, and then Homestead's number five, Gladiators
number six, So two of the top five, and so
people are going to Disney movies and even though people
are complaining about Disney movies, did you know that? Okay,
So they remove the transgenderness in the character of that

(26:13):
TV series, and then the girl that played the role
was transgender because they put out a casting call for
transgender actresses, which is a little bit weird. It's like, hey, everybody,
if you're a transgender. You're so special, you get a
prize and get to be in a cartoon, And I

(26:35):
think that probably creeped out people too.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
It's like, I think it's kind of the same thing
that made it so it became offensive for Hanka's area
to be a pooh on The Simpsons. They wanted to
have people who are more representative of the culture than
just random voice actors coming in just to voice a character.
I think they were just trying to aim towards the
representation chick that a lot of people were into, and

(26:59):
we just don't want it.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, exactly. We know what they were trying to do
when people and people are having less of it. Yeah,
some people still I think that's great. Maybe half the
country think it's great, but there's enough people that are
just like, don't do it. I don't I don't want
to stop it, so.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
They remove the entire character. Rather than just have like
somebody who wasn't transgender voicing a transgender character, they just
got rid of the character.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
So here's another outaword. Charctress Homestead gladiat I didn't see
that gladiator to us on I think I've talked about
this gladiator too, you know, there's no great writing, no
great acting, but the special effects in the scenery are
worth seeing that movie. See it in a theater, see

(27:49):
it in a IMAX or a cinemak x D. This
is what I saw it, and you will be It's
an enjoyable day at the movies. I mean, you can't
beat it. You look at it and you go thank
the Lord for these people that are, you know, spending
as much time on money in movies, because this is awesome,

(28:10):
you know. But if you see it on your phone
or in an airplane, you're gonna go like nang, it's
not much. It might even change a channel. Now, the
movies that people are talking about are Anora for awards
from Neon Pictures. I'm just saying, this is people talking

(28:31):
to me about it. Oh my gosh, you've seen have
you seen Anora? You got to see Anora. And then
the other one people are talking about talking about, well,
as you said, the Wild Robot is still in some theaters,
maybe the best movie of the year. And then people
are talking about the Robbie Williams movie where it's a

(28:53):
story of a boy band and it's kind of it's
kind of the story of Robby Williams and his experiences.
But the instead of a transgender.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Person, there's Robbie Williams.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
They're playing Robbie. They have it as a monkey. A
monkey plays Robbie Williams.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Wait a minute, is this like Lancelot Link style.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, it's a little bit like my favorite TV series
of all time Lancelot Link. Yes, Secret Chimp. Yes, well,
maybe Green Acres is my favorite of all time. But
after that, it's maybe the Adams Family. But right up there,
maybe it's it's hard to pick, but Lancelot Link's Secret Chimp,

(29:38):
which was a detective series where everybody was an ape, yep,
chimpanzee or something.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well dressed too, all of them. Yeah, better dressed than me.
That's saying something. I need to go and actually hit
up some better clothes. The chimps are better dressed than me.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
People said that on the set, most of those monkeys.
It was hard to work with him because they all
have peanut butter breath.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, that's how they got them to go. Yeah, makes sense.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I'm a talking parrot.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Now, what does it say?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
It says hello, and it says I love you, and
it says and it says what you think? It watched it,
watched licorice pizza. Okay, he doesn't say that, not yet.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I just I just love. I just love the fact
that there's so much love going on in your house
that this bird has nothing vulgar to say.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
No, he doesn't. He might say full of grace, full
of grace, but we're like, you know, we teach him
to say nice things.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
It's the most wholesome bird ever.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
But we found it, you know, so we as a baby.
We rescued it. So it hasn't known anybody except for us.
Oh anyway, all right, So the movies are movies are
alive now with Nora, that one's happening. Other anticipated movies
are the Venom movie, of course, is coming out, and

(31:16):
these other movies. No one cares. You know, you don't.
I'm gonna tell you to some name of the movie
you never heard heard of. I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
What's the Honora film about? Because I know what Vendom
is about, and it was closing out Sony. That is
like gonna be the big thing that Sony goes out
with like a whimper, not a bang. As far as
their Spider Man stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Goes, well, I'll take your word for that. Honora is
the a story of a young street girl from Brooklyn,
which is a city or a borough yes, and gets
her chance at a Cinderella fairytale when she meets and
impulsively marries the son of an oligarch Tune. As the

(32:00):
news reaches RuSHA, her fairy tale is threatened as her
parents head to New York to have the marriage and
noled don't break my heart in order don't break my heart.
I'm just adding my own dialogue even to this review.
But from what I've from what I've been told, this

(32:22):
is one of the best movies of the year. Okay,
so I haven't seen it yet, but.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
The way that accent really got me, I'm now sold.
I have to see this movie just because of the
accent that you threw.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, perfectly. Yeah, it's you know.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I based off of that accent. It's my pick for
film of the year.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
I am model.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
I have to see this movie now.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, it's not as funny as I'm making it out
to be. Probably, But did you ever see the TV
series We're Gonna Take a breakle Soon? But you ever
see the TV series Russian Dolls?

Speaker 4 (32:58):
No?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Is that what it's called No, there's a there's a Yeah,
it's a it's a reality show about Russians like living
in like, you know, New York area, And uh, it's
pretty good because.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
You know, like Russian oligarchs.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Russian Doll, is not it that?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
That's you know where people who Odessa.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, people that just got here and then they're trying
to raise their kids here and their kids are very
materialistic as you can imagine. And but it's I forgot
what it's called. But Russian Doll is a TV series
starring uh Natasha Leone as a game developer who repeatedly
dies and then relives the same night in an ongoing
time loop and and tries to resolve it.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
It's like a roguelike, that's what they call games like that,
where you die and learn a little bit more every
time you die, but you keep resetting.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
I guess, but that's the whole you know, premise. I've
only seen a couple episodes, but it's interesting, pretty good. Okay,
let's take a break and we'll come back and we're
gonna explain to you what that guy was doing to
Blake Lively on the set of It Ends with Us.
Joe Scalante Live from Hollywood, Joe Ascalante Live from Hollywood. Yes,

(34:17):
we are two hours of the business into show business
every Sunday at five pm. Sometimes you'll turn on the
TV and it'll be either a football game or the
evil Matt money Smith talking about the Chargers. But that
just means we're preempted that week and we'll be back
the next week maybe. But we're always on the podcasting.
Always said podcast every week, right Sam?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, yeah, I know. We get it up there. We
do it routinely, religiously.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Just getting rich off these podcasts, how about you, Sam.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
We are no, No, I'm getting the same money that.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I ever got, getting personally rich. Hey hey, personal like
personal development, yeah, fulfillment, fulfillment, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
I feel like I feel like just part of me
gets sacrificed every show.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
You die inside just a little more, a little bit
in that freeway, for sure. So Blake Lively, there's a
movie called It Ends with Us and it's I saw
the trailers. I remember it now and I'm like, Noop.
I think I might have said out loud, no, that's
a hard no when I saw Sometimes I do that
in case my wife's even thinking about it. Yeah, hard

(35:33):
no on it ends with us. But so it stars
Blake Lively. And then there's like a director actor named
Justin Baldoni if that's his real name. Uh, and he
has been accused by Blake Lively and there's a lawsuit
they filed with the courts.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I think he changed his name from Luigi Mangoni.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh yeah, nobody wants to be called Luigi Mangoni anymore
except for some people.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Some people are totally happy with it.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I have guy's a hero to many people. Those people
are are are disturbed and they're disordered, but he is
a hero to them. Now, Justin Baldoni, what did he do?
He he he made Okay, this is what. They had

(36:27):
a meeting to talk about it, and then they had
all hands on meeting on the set. Things got so
bad during the filming they had to do that.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
He was so sexually harassing that they needed to call
in a team meeting.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, they did more than that. You could have got
a job on this. They had some professionals coming in
to U two.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
I need to figure out how to become like an
intimacy coordinator on this. Yes, I think that would be
very helpful.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
You could you could do that. So they said in
the list of things after the meeting that they all
agreed there that that Baldoni wouldn't do or anybody would
do is No more mentions of Baldoni's not showing nude
videos or images to women. Okay, hey, look at this.

(37:17):
You know you don't do that with those guys. It's
a number game, you know. They get slapped, to get slapped,
to get slapped, to get slapped, and then someone says,
well that's interesting. Do you like this?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Is this what you like?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
So you don't do that in the workplace. No more
mentions of Baldoni's alleged previous pornography addiction. Okay, that's another one. Hey,
you know I used to have a pornography addiction. Really yeah,
you know, and then you might get some number. You
might get someone to react like, eh, yeah, me too,

(37:53):
or how'd you get how'd you get over it? Would
you help me get you know, it's just oh it's gross.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
No more discussion about sexual experiences in front of lively
h No more further No further mentions of casting cruised Genitalia.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Okay, Genitalia, I can't believe they need to have a
meeting for this, like this guy's this guy is that
diabolical that they had to have a meeting about the
whole Like that meeting was like the video training that
we have to take for sexual harassment for like the company.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Lesley Snipes in it. Wow, he was in the one
on My How CBS, And uh, yeah, I can't don't
mention your genitalia. I know girl named Jen and that
in Genitalia is her Instagram name?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Is she from Italy? Just Italia, Orange County?

Speaker 1 (38:48):
And then uh, no further mentions of cast and cruise
in Genitalia, and no more increase inquiries about Lively's weight. Hey, Blake,
how much do you weigh today?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Like that's his best pickup line?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
You're way, let's see. The filing also included other demands like,
now this is the filing. Let's making demands. But she's
saying this meeting took place. We don't know if if
he says it took place, you know, because it's like,
but if she lies in this, she's in trouble. And
this is a court paper. So the the other demands

(39:31):
included no more adding of sex scenes, oral sex or
on camera climaxing by blake Lively outside the scope of
the script. Blake Lively approved that she signed when when
she joined the project. So yeah, I mean there's a
lot of actors and actresses just won't do that in

(39:52):
a movie. Yeah, and they're probably better off because to me,
it's I've made a few movies and I would never say, like, oh,
we need a sex scene here. It's like, I'm just
gonna assume. And then a lot of people disagree with me.
There's a lot of there's a lot of critics out
there that are like, this is what's wrong with movies.
They don't have sex scenes anymore. And the one that
they had in Oppenheimer was like everybody's talking about it

(40:15):
because they don't have them anymore, and there and there,
and why don't they have them? Who wants to direct
a sex scene these days? You know? Yeah, it will
come back to bite you, for lack of a better term.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
The room had three of them, and like two of
them were exactly the same.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
The room. Yeah, yeah, so that guy's a pervert. Let's
all be honest. Who wants to be the room the
pervert going around? Hey?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
And it was him and all three of the sex scenes.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
You guys all have sex with me and you're in
and we'll film it. And this guy is in the
movie too. I mean, this guy is the director of
the movie. So anyway, Wow, he's the director too. Yeah,
I think so okay, So that okay, Yeah, that's it,
claims the demand. The demand claims, yeah that the oh.

(41:03):
It claims in the demand that these things at the
meeting were embraced by Wayfair Studios, the studio that's paying
for all this, the cash and crew of It ends
with us, was also under a contractual obligation to promote
the film. Okay, soon after they're done, and it's a
horrible experience, they have to promote the film, and they

(41:24):
they decided nobody's going to see a movie about domestic
violence that I want to. So let's concentrate on the
when we're campaigning about this film, to talk more about
the Lively's character's strength and her resilience, as opposed to
describing the film as a story about demxus violence.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
And sexual harassment.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Apparently they were supposed to avoid talking about this film
that makes it feel sad or heavy, and I'd rather
say it's a story of hope. But in the days
leading up to the film's release, Baldoni pivot and began
focusing on the more serious aspects of the story, and,
according to the film the filing, the actor and his
team did so in an effort to explain why many

(42:08):
of the film's cast and crew unfollowed him on social
media and refused to appear with him in public. Se Yeah,
they don't want me to talk about desert violence because
it's a hard subject to talk about, and these people
are cowards. I'm not, and I you know, I think
so he was doing that, and they were saying that
he was manipulating the whole campaign to throw a smoke
screen on on what he did and just to change

(42:32):
the topic. He says, the claims are completely false, and
we will take a break here. We've got one more hour.
Joe Scalante Live from Hollywood. Joe'scalante Live from Hollywood. If
by Hollywood you mean Burbank, we're still talking about Justin
Baldoni and Blake Lively in the movie. It ends with us. Evidently,

(42:58):
Baldoni is also like the producer, like the studio they
keep talking about way for her Studios is his company
and he uh is, yes, like he's making this movie,
and he's creeping the girl out, according to her, and
he's making her have sex scenes and he's uh, you know,

(43:21):
talking about his package and this this headline says Blake
Lively alleges Justin Baldoni intended to use friendship with Taylor
Swift against her. It's she had a she had a relationship.
She's a friends with Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Ah, so she was weaponizing Taylor Swift in this He.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Was using that against her somehow.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
And I don't how dare they weaponize Taylor Swift? Sorry,
I can't straight face.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
So in the movie they were during the filming of
the movie, they had to bring on crisis managers and
stuff and and uh.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Oh yeah, bring me in for that.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I'm good with that, as you could beat you could
be a crisis manager. And then they each have their
own PR people, saying it's just an ugly fight. So
the each have the PR people, they're each you know,
telling their stories. But Baldoni, the director, actor, co.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Star, producer, boom mic operator.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
That's how I made movies, he says, these claims. We
got to give him a side, you know, because this
woman's either telling the truth or she create and you know,
we've seen both in the in the news. These claims
are completely false, he says, outrageous and intentionally salacious with

(44:53):
the intent to publicly hurt and rehash a narrative in
the media. So he's he's he's thrown out the malice.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
These are lies and false propaganda.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
We go and there's malice, according to him, But he's
not suing her. But that could be the countersuit. Wayfer Studios,
which is his company, made the decision to proactively hire
a crisis manager prior to the marketing campaign of the
film to work alongside someone else due to the multiple

(45:26):
demands and threats by miss Lively during production, which included
her threatening to not show up into the set, not
to promote the film, and you know, ultimately she would
try to hurt the film if her demands were not
matt but you know, I mean hoarders. Her demands don't
show me in naked videos anymore. It was also discovered

(45:52):
that Miss Lively enlisted her own representative PR person to
plant negative. This is what he says. They found out
that she hired this PR person to plant negative and
completely fabricated by the way, and false by the way.
Stories with the media even prior to any marketing commenced

(46:13):
for the film, which was another reason that Wayfer Studios
made the decision to quo hire a crisis professional to
commence internal scenario planning in the case blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah. Now there was talk of
a sequel.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yes, it was going to be called It Ends in Litigation.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah, well they did have a title, it starts with Us,
but based on the second novel in the series.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Oh so it.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Starts, it ends with us. It starts with us.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
And then the third it ends in a courtroom.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I'm not going to see this movie. I'll just tell
you that right now. I just just don't want to.
And I said that, uh now, speaking of movies that
are like, like, you've seen this stuff about the.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Snow White, what about snow White?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
About the the star of snow White talking uh too
much in the media and getting and then they h
everybody getting mad and boy getting ready for a big giant,
good old fashioned right wing boycott of this movie.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I have not seen this. What happened?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
You don't know about this? No, I mean you got
heads in the sand. We've talked about it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
The actress that plays snow White uh in the in
this version of the movie, which is a you know remake,
is uh Rachel Ziggler, and she's a lovely uh actress,
but she keeps talking about like, yeah, that old stuff
for the guy saves the girl. We're not doing any

(48:01):
of that. Then people right away are just like, oh, go,
here it comes and uh. And then they released pictures
of the of the Seven Dwarfs and it looked like
a DEI meeting or something like everybody was diverse, and
people like, oh, here we go. And then they couldn't
use actual little people because that would be offensive to

(48:26):
give seven little people jobs. I think Peter Dinklich had
something to say about that. Uh. And then so they
they I guess the the the Dwarfs look so bad
that they had to reshoot everything and put digital dwarves
in it. So now they're not real people. They're just
digital wacky wack geek cartoon people. And then people are

(48:50):
looking at that and saying.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Can't we just go that's terrible, just leave the cartoons
be I mean, really, do we need to real We
don't need to see gi re create live action every
single Disney classic. Are they gonna do Fantasia next?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I'm waiting for very realistic hippos and Tutus at this point.
If I don't have that by the end of the decade,
I'm gonna be throwing stuff.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Well, if more people would just go to the movies,
then we wouldn't have this problem. Because the only way
you can make money on a movie, you know, you
have to make a one hundred million dollar movie to
you know, make it just break even. And then you
let's say you spend two hundred on the movie and
two hundred on the print and marketing and stuff, and
then you have so you got to have four hundred
dollars four hundred million dollar movie worldwide to just break even.

(49:40):
Then you're making you know, And then if you want
to make movie, you're gonna make and then let's say
you just barely make some money on that, and it's
five hundred million dollars that you make, you made a
hundred million profit. Now, if you make smaller movies that
aren't based on rehashed ideas, they're gonna make you know,
you could make it for ten million, and then you

(50:03):
could make forty million at the box office and you
made thirty million. Oh that's a triple. That's tripling your money.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
But it's no one hundred million. No.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
They're going for the knockouts for every big punch that
they can land, and they're throwing whatever they can at
the wall, you know, sacred goats, sacred cowsby damned.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah, so this would looks I mean, it's there's so
many haters on the internet for this one. I mean
to me, it's just like, again, yeah, you can disagree
with what they're doing, but do you have to make
like two hundred hours of podcasts about it? It's why
did we start talking about this?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
It's like gal Gadot is in it too, like.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
As herself or as the voice of something. She's the
queen as herself physically.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, yeah, like the queen. Okay, okay, So people are
saying she's uh, overshadowing Zigler, and they're using her to
market the movie because she is. I know, I always
started talking about this. They're usual, they're kind of uh,
this is the what people are saying. They're using Galga
doot on the marketing more than Rachel Zego because Ziggler

(51:14):
is now hated by uh, you know, half the country.
So she uh, I she'll learn, she'll learn her lesson
on this, I imagine, because you've got to because you can.
You can talk too much sometimes if you're promoting a

(51:34):
movie and you're just like, you got to be a robot.
But some people, like when you start do marketing and
you start, you don't want to be like everybody else,
So you say, like, I'm not gonna be by everybody else.
I'm gonna speak my mind because I have a personal
personality that's amazing, and so I'm gonna share it with everybody.
And then after you put your foot in your mouth,
you go, I guess this is why you're supposed to

(51:56):
give bland answers so you don't wreck your career. And
then now people talking about movies just becomes like another
like clickbait and headline. James Gunn says Battered Superman in
new film represents the US. Now what rud right, It's

(52:18):
a broken country and Superman is broken. Now we're gonna
hear about fights about that. But it seems like he's
saying that, like, hey, there are good people on both
sides of in ideologies and politics and stuff like that.
So I don't really know where this is going to

(52:39):
end up. But Superman, I would say James Gunn is
capable of making a good Superman, right, wouldn't you. I've
given up.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I've given up hope on DC doing anything productive in
the film realm.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Okay, I mean I think that's fair. What about Bobby
Williams is a monkey?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
If he is as one of like the like the
band the Monkey, cool. If it's him as Lancelot link
style cool. If it's just him playing with monkeys and.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Men, well, we'll get to that one later, okay. And
then let's see before that though, remember this story about
Ron Meyer from a Universal. He was the executive vice
chairman and then he found out he was fooling around

(53:40):
and then making payments to this uh uh what do
you call her? Some angeneu a angue Charlotte Kirk, and
then he lost his whole job as executive vice chairman
of Universal. The new wrinkling, that is, he was also

(54:01):
diddling her manager. I'll show you a picture, like you know,
it's just like, you know, hey, why not a good first?
I got that one. But the problem is he was married,
and it just was like not wow, cool.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Oh I thought he was just single and diddling. Now
he's like married and double diddling, triple diddling.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
He was just you know, living his worst life. Let's
go break all right, Joe's Galante Live from Hollywood. Joe
was Galante Live from Hollywood. If by Hollywood you mean
burd Bank. Hey, coming to Leader in the show. We're

(54:47):
going to talk about a Dell who has a song
that uh is uh she been accused of plagiarizing it,
and then we'll sam we can do that. We can
maybe play the song and everyone can hear it and
decide whether they think it's plagiarized.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I love it whenever we go in and figure out
if like these songs have like we figured it out.
I think we figured it out back in the day
when Robin Thick or Alan well, Alan think's kid Robin Thick.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
That one Williams.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Yeah, yeah, they did the Marvin Gaye one.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Yeah, that one was wrongly decided in the in the
lower courts. All right, we'll get into that a little
bit later. Do you remember the college admission scandal? Right?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yeah, back in the day, Laurie Laughlin, what was a
lifetime Channel veteran.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
It's a full house star. She served two months in prison,
and I remember them. I mean they were it was like,
you know, you made a mistake, and then they were
just being dragged across the through the mud in the media,
and you know, they're were just really torn apart, and

(56:05):
I think she was mad, you know. And then she
went to prison for two months. And then now she's
playing a law enforcement officer in an upcoming series on
Prime Video called on Call, and she plays Lieutenant Bishop.
I think that's her character in that one. And now
she says she likes law enforcement. That's the news, like

(56:28):
anybody anything. She says, it's like, yeah, I have a
new appreciation for law enforcement because I'm now playing cops.
She had to go on a lot of ride alongs
and are you going to be watching on Call?

Speaker 2 (56:41):
So she's now a playing a police officer.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Wow. I don't think I'm gonna watch that.
There's too many things to.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Watch, No, too many things to watch, and I just
can't take that much irony. I'm a big fan of irony,
just not that much.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Too much. What's the new show with Harrison Ford. It's
about analysts or psychiatrist or something like that. Do you
know about this one?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
No, this sounds amazing though.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Yeah, I'm mentioning it to you because I know you're
in that business.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Well yeah, is he a therapist or a lawyers called shrinking?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Huh yeah, so I have heard. It's very very good.
Him and Jason Siegel are therapist.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
So fascinating. There was that other show that what was it?
There was a therapist show that had the guy from
the office in it, the main guy from the office.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah yeah, And that one was intriguing because he became
he like was kidnapped by one of his patients who
was psychotic and had was locked in his basement as
the guy did crazy things and then came home to
be animals, which was interesting.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
But the best analyst movie of all time? What about Bob.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, easily, that one is one of
the funniest movies ever made. And you can totally like
doing what I do. You could totally picture some of
your clients pulling that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Showing up at your home. Oh yeah, well, it's very
similar to when Robert de Niro showed up at Jerry
Lewis's house in the film that I the Uh. I
told you to watch it a little bit ago. Do

(58:41):
you remember Jerry Lewis movie Jerry Lewis Robert de Niro,
It's called The King of Comedy and oh yeah, I
insist everybody that comes back.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
That's right, you're talking about this one.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
You must see it. Okay, it's on Prime video right now. Yeah,
so watch it. You're gonna like this movie, yeah, because
it's it's these people are are disturbed and disordered and
and weird, and it's about the search for fame and
stuff like that, like I want to be famous kind
of thing, and those are you know, I like those
kind of movies.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yeah, well, and definitely anything that goes into like the
mental health aspect of stuff like that, and especially for
comedy brilliant. It sounds like something I need to watch.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Yeah, you're gonna see that and then see if I
have anything else for you. I don't think I think
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, let's go. Even the monitors are giving up on us.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
For people that are not subscribed to the premium club
of the show and can't see the studios, we have
these giant lizards around that are walking around that he's
talking about. Yes, that's what you're talking about, right.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Yeah, No, not actual computer monitors. I'm talking about like monitored.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Reptiles, monitor reptile. Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Way, they are giving up, they're walking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Out, all right, So I'm we're gonna go to break.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Okay, let's just take a break. Let's just take a break.
Let me see if I can squeeze some stuff in
here so that we can make it a full break. Yeah,
how about that break? Okay, here we go. Good luck
to us all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Joe Ascalanti live from Hollywood by Hollywood, you mean bur Bank,
two hours of the Business, end of show Business, and
we are live tonight. It is December twenty second, it's
six thirty five in the evening, and we are. We
had some technical issues because we were trying to set

(01:00:46):
up this this this Adele song. Adele is being sued
for plagiarizing an old not an old song with some
of the nineties a Brazilian classic though by Martino.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
And the audio or the link that I got is
one that has just a picture. So I'm going to
find the the audio itself myself.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Okay, you got to use that one though, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Well no, it's just the one that you sent me
is just a picture.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna send it to you again. Then how's that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Perfect, we can do that, and then it's I'm pushing
your address here, s M.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
That one, yes, s M. Not to be suggestive. Yeah,
that one with the last name before the thirty two.
You could just hit the scent button and it'll pop
up and you can just send it to that one again. Also,
I saw this one headline here that the what was it? YouTube?

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More people are getting their news off of YouTube, never
before and it's never going back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Well, that's what we're doing right now. Yeah, that's what
did I say to you. I said, go to YouTube.
That's where we're gonna find the best information about Adele
and this song. Because they're gonna go someone will have
done a mashup. Yeah see, And then I mean you're
going to YouTube. You know you're gonna find it and
you get it. And then YouTube, to me is where

(01:02:24):
for the vandals. I've told our social media guy, stop
what you're doing. You just start developing our YouTube channel
that kind of sits there and does nothing, because that's
where people are. That's where I am there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I think I found this one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Pay I pay for the full YouTube thing, which seems silly,
but it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Now that's the guy who they're saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
She's the original guy. Yeah, nineteen ninety five, and that's
her singing over his music.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
This would be in move to earn my styles after
pay my lads.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
Together.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Okay, keep turning it down a little bit. That didn't
sound like anything that did. That was just authentic, frontier gibberish.
But then when she comes back in, you're going, now
this sounds so familiar. Okay, Now I'm going, yeah, what's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
This reminding me of? There's another song that both of
these songs are reminding me of.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
What we'll say?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yeah, okay, this song is famous. People know it. Yeah,
try to find try to find his song just by itself.

(01:04:13):
Find a version, find a version. It's just him doing
that song, this one. I mean, because I want to
make a decision here. Yeah, let me hear the guys,
let me hear mister Martino da villa.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Well, let me get the actual song name first.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Martin, it's called Women.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yes, let's see here we go said to me. I
don't know. All I know is we have to wait
for anything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I know. Oh, you got to pay for YouTube. That's
what I do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
I just don't have it on my work computer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
You gotta pay for YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
There you go, Let me get rid of via dell one.
There we go and a dodge?

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Is that? That sounds like a different songs that preceded
this one?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Okay? Now let's now let's play her song, just a
clean version of her song. They're all over YouTube. Okay,
because what what's going on? While you find that? I'm
going to tell you what's going on in the court system.
The courts has said she has to respond. She he
filed a preliminary injunction. So when you have when you

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have something like this, first she might ask for money
and say stop doing that and give me Reddit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Learning to Fly Learning duram I let my it's the
same cadence.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I'm here because I'm trying to make a decision here
that it's going to affect humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I must have always known that this would be inevitable.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Okay, all right, you can get rid of it. The
it's it's it's a preliminary injunction. It's they're seeking a
preliminary injunction. Now, preliminary injunction would stop her from distributing it,
and they'd have to tell the label and all the
streamers you can't play this song anymore anywhere. I don't

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know what kind of a power a kangaroo court in
Brazil has, but they are that's what their The court
would rule that, and if you didn't do it, then
there'd be some consequences. In Brazil, they can't really do
anything to you to hear, and I don't know if
any services or aggregators would stop playing it, but that's

(01:07:11):
what they're looking for. So there has to be enough
to where the judge goes, Okay, there might be something here.
I'm going to grant the preliminary injunction. Now if she wins,
if he wins, you get a permanent injunction. So if

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to give a temporary injunction, there had to be like
the judge would have to go, you know, there might
be something here, so I could see I think there's
maybe enough to move forward to have a trial. But
because in the t but I wouldn't give a temporary
injunction because I think, you know, there's a case here,

(01:07:56):
but okay, let's go hash it out. But not like, oh,
I'm gonna stop adele from You know, it's not that
bad because, as you said, it sounds like some other song.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
It sounds like the song from the stage show and
I guess the movie Phantom of the Opera. It sounds
like Phantom of the Opera. Danaananana, Nana Nana has the
exact same cadence. And so if they're gonna pay anybody,
they need to go and pay the people that did
Phantom of the Opera.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Mister Andrew Lloyd Webber, Yes, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Just sir, and yes he's been knighted.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
He was, so I think he was. That.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
See, that's the thing right now, I think we just
shot both of their cases.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Okay, yeah, well it's Venom of the Opera. Why don't
you play some Fantom of the Empera.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
I see if I can dig it out that one. Yeah,
that's not that's still her.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
I need to get I need a computer with something
I can figure out exactly here. I'll play it for
them coming out of this next break. Let's break time.
I think it's Fandom of the Opera.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
All right, we'll play Fantom in the Opera. We'll see
if if we've just already solved this case, as it is,
but I definitely wouldn't give give I wouldn't give a
preliminary injunction. But I think what might be going on
here is a judge in Brazil trying to become famous

(01:09:25):
himself because he can have his power and he's in
the news, and so if he's if he doesn't, granted
it's kind of you could still have a trial without
having that, but you know, if he stops it, he's
some kind of hero to a lot of people that
hate Adele.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
And I think that Adele that much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Well, I mean the people now it plays into the
you know, this is under privileged country or third world
or whatever it is down there. It's a freaking crime. Ah,
it's a crime. Uh what do you call what I
used to call it. I used to call it like
a crime scene with a country code Brazil. I mean,

(01:10:06):
there's so much crime down there. There's a lot of
you know, great things going on too, but it could
be known for you know, they're underdogs and then Dall's
coming in and she's a white person trying to steal
from these people. That's a narrative that the media likes,
so I could see why it's it's got legs but
you would have to go to trial because you need

(01:10:29):
to break it down. You need to break down this
song and see and the proper way to do it
is say what was the copyright that was? What was
wrong with that other one. We'll take a break, we'll
review the Pharrell case to Joe Sclante Live from Hollywood,
Joe Scolante Live from Hollywood. If by Hollywood you mean

(01:10:50):
Burt Bank. It is two hours of the business, end
of show business, and we do this every Sunday at five.
If you're listening to this live, yeah it's fifty we're
almost out of here. If you're listening to it on
the podcast, sorry it so long. But Sam here, when
we were going over the songs of the Adele song

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and the Brazilian guy Martino da Villa, he says she
stole his song when she has her song called a
Million years Ago. It was a very good song. It's
like a popular song. And he says he filed a
for a temporary restraining order or a junction for for

(01:11:35):
that song to be ever played anywhere, so it's gonna
be like band or whatever. I don't know how they
enforce all that around the world, but you know, the
problem is that, well, Sam caught it right away when
I when I heard when I heard the two songs
go side by side, and you can see this on
YouTube or hear it on YouTube. There to me, it's like, okay,

(01:11:59):
they sound similar. So if you really, you know, go
ahead and plead your case. Plead your case and these
guys can answer it. And then if we have a trial,
the jury will be able to listen to the two
songs side by side. But what was wrong with the
Pharrell side is they had Marvin gay had copyrighted just

(01:12:20):
the sheet music, so that's all it's protected, is the
sheet music, and so they should have brought in, like,
you know, a guy with the piano play the sheet
music or a combo play the sheet music, and the
jury would listen to that, then they would listen to
Pharrell's song. But they didn't. They were out allowed to
do side by side from the finished products. So they

(01:12:42):
listened to the Marvin Gaye's finish product and they were like, yeah,
I like the way this is, the you know the
feel of this, and I'm influenced by Marvin gay like
everybody else, and I'm gonna lay that down on my
own tracks that's not illegal, and that court declared that illegal.
And what you can't steal is the stuff that's protected.

(01:13:03):
You can only protected stuff is protected. That's why it's
called protected. So Marvin Pharrell, Williams and Robin Thick were ruined,
not ruined, but it was just probably the worse.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
You know, Robin Thick, you don't hear from anymore. Farrell,
he's a genius and he can come up with anything
he wants.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
But it was just like probably the worst period in
the period in their professional lives. And it was a
sham because they were sued and defeated for taking things
that aren't protected. So in this case, you could have
a trial and say what's not protected or what is

(01:13:41):
protected and try to make that clear and then say
did Adele steal that? And I would say it's you
know ed. Jury could come out either way. Maybe I
don't think it's that strong. It's just one of those
things where I like to say, like, really, so she
should have been prevented from writing that amazing song she

(01:14:03):
wrote that everybody loves so much because of the law,
you know, or she has to go to him and
try to get a sample rate from him. Uh, I
don't think that we want to live in that world.
We just want people to be a little bit influenced.
And is that hurting hurt him? Is he stealing customers
from him? And so he would get more streams if
she hadn't written that song and stealing all his all

(01:14:25):
his wealth.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
I guarantee you he got more plays on YouTube as
a result of this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
We just gave him money. Yeah, So I don't think
it's a sin what she did, and I don't think
she should be prosecuted for it. But then Sam came
and said, you know what, I think that uh Brazilian
guy stole that wy don't you play the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Song folks in a sleepy sang.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
In? All right, just stop it right there now play
a little uh of that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Now, I'll play that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Let's see if I can catch it out of spots
that age.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
So don't say that Moulage got this jes to catch it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Yeah, not yet. Keep going. Imagine whom I dallish And
this isn't part It sounds like adel right here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Anyway, this part sounds you need to come to itself.

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
They thought that that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
We're in a spot.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Yeah, I'll started from earlier Okay, there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
We go, Shachil.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
You thought as a swoosh is dodge, I'm woodish.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Yeah, nothing's feeling either one. But my Adele, now here
we go, Adele, we won't to. Yeah, there's much more
similarity between these two family the opera one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Do you think they're more similar than the family?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Okay, turn it off again. So you think they're more
similar to each other than they are similar to found them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
In the opera similar, much more.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
But so you're saying your family the opera theory.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Is and his not near doesn't hold as much water.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Yeah, but it might be worth going to court and
saying listen, and if you manipulated it like the way
they do on YouTube, it might go like, oh, well,
what of that part? Why why don't why doesn't this
guy pay them for that little part right there? Yeah?
I uh so I I but she has to answer.
If she doesn't answer, then the thing gets taken off
of all these you know, services, and she's got a

(01:16:43):
judgment against her because I think there's a fine involved
or something, and then she has to go down and
to the Brazilian kangaroo court. You know, it's not really
a kangaroo court. I don't know anything about it, but amount.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Of money that she makes. Throw the guy at half
a mill and he'll be happy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This guy doesn't deserve a half
a million dollars if she didn't steal anything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
If she didn't know. But that's that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
We should half a million dollars. It takes me more
than a month to make that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah, I know, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I need I need that kind.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Of So it what you well, what if he wins?
He gets credit and he gets a retroactive payments back
three years. So that's the len You can't go back
in the US copyright, at least you can't go back
more than three years. So you do you look at
you would give him credit and then you would give
him a share. They would like. The best thing they
would do he could hope for, I think, is to

(01:17:38):
negotiate a penny rate they call it, and then he
would get that going forward and he would get credit
and that would.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
What do he get like credit on the YouTube video
views and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Like that on the song area? Wow, okay, I mean
he'd be entered in the system. This song would be
taken out of every system and put back as co authors.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Interesting, Okay, So in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Sound exchange you don't have to know not sound exchange
because sound exchange just covers the recording of it, and
he's not he's not suing over the recording. He's suing
over the underlying rights the composition.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
See, that's a lot of intricate, like legal active stuff
going on underneath this, like behind the scenes with all
of the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
It's probably not that much money because it only goes
back three years. You know, it's probably not more money
than he's going to spend on this legal case. He's
gonna spend more money in legal case, and he's gonna
get going back three years. But in the future he
gets royalties. Okay, And in the future, I don't know
if you know, this hasn't happened yet, so you know

(01:18:41):
he'll get that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
So if they decide, like say, for example, they want
to use this song in a film, would they have
to go then to get permission from him as well
as a co writer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
As a co author, they need the if the co
ofthers can make non exclusive deals as long as the
account to the other the other one to the other person,
but exclusive deals like maybe like exclusive, like putting in

(01:19:11):
a movie it's exclusive. Yeah, I think you got to like,
if you're saying, oh, I'm gonna sell this to a publisher,
is gonna have exclusive rights to all this? You have
to have the other guys. I'm just doing a bad
way of explaining that. But there is ways for a
co author to make certain deals without talking to the

(01:19:31):
other person. But they would probably make an arrangement to
have a third party handle licensing of this song going
forward so they don't have fights all the time. And
I think it's time for me just leave everybody with
just a taste of the greatest song ever written. That
that if you steal any of this straight to jail, Yeah,
you steal the chorus straight to jail. Still the verse

(01:19:53):
straight to jail. You steal too much of it straight
straight to jail. You're still too little of it Straight
to jail. All right, Joe's Conte Live from Hollywood. See
you next week.