September 23, 2024 • 25 mins
How a DNA ancestry service helped find a 1951 kidnapping victim.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nineteen fifty one. How many years ago is that?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Seventy three? Seventy three, seventy three years ago. There's a
six year old boy living in.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Oakland, California. Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Anyway, he's living in Oakland, California.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
What was the county in Michigan? The see Tucker.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
He's six years old.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
He's playing at a park in Oakland, California with his sibling. Sister,
sister or brother, doesn't matter. He's with his sibling. A
woman approaches them and says to the kid in Spanish,
do you want some candy? And like, hey, come with
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me and I'll give you candy. And the kids six
and he goes and that was the last his family
ever saw of him. Six years old, he's abducted out
of this park in front of his sibling in Oakland, California.
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Seventy three years later, he was located living on the
East Coast. Through genealogy, his family never knew, I mean,
they knew he had been taken or he had walked
away with this woman.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Never knew what happened to him.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So keep in mind, there's, you know, a mom who
unfortunately has passed, but he had a sibling and they
were like, we're never going to give up trying to
find whatever happened.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
To is his name Louise Luise?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, yeah, we're never going to try We're never going
to stop trying to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Well, anyway, did that hold true for seventy years? Hey,
you said some people have died, But was there an effort?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I don't know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Ongoing effort, I should say ongoing. Probably not.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm sure there were ebbs and flows and peaks and valleys.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Well, especially you're talking about a child.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's seventy three years.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And again I don't say that meaning like, well, after
fifty years you just say, oh screw it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And forget it.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No, I mean your kid was abducted, your sibling was abducted.
You never let go. I understand that, But I don't
know if every single day, I'm like I said, I'm
sure there were ups and downs and ebbs and flows.
The case had gone unbelievably cold. Well, anyway, this guy
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who's now seventy nine, right, if he was six and
it's been seventy three years, you do the math, So
he's seventy nine years old. He grew up on the
East Coast, with this family. He didn't know, he didn't
know he was abducted.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But was he abducted by the family or did the
abductor give him to a family that I don't know,
Like there's something that definitely happened.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh, that happens a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean, well, never mind, like did the family I mean, like, hi,
get in there and get me a baby?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Is the family aware that this was and a I
mean forget being above board that this was a horrific kidnapping.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Wait, which which family?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
The East Coast family?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
We have none of those deals.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I don't know any of those details. I know nothing about.
Here's what they won't even say what city on the
East Coast he lives in. In my mind, I put
him in Virginia. But I have no idea. The kid
gets brought back east right at six, he grows up
on the East Coast. He doesn't know he was abducted.
(04:03):
He's got no memory of being abducted. He's got no
idea the family that raised him on the East Coast
to him is his family that raised him.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Right, he wasn't to the best that I can tell.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And told him. You know, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And again, the best that I could tell in there's
there's very limited information about what his life was like
on the East Coast.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Is it for the family's protection, Ah.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think yes. I think it's for privacy. I think
it's for protecting. I think it's for everything. But again
I don't I don't know that he was He may
have been brought up very happy and healthy and in
a great, loving family on the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Now just so happens he was abducted and put into
that house.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
But you know what I mean, Like, I don't have
any indication that he was abused or anything was wrong
with him.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, and again that family may have thought this was
a completely legitimately.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
The family with him.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, they could have. They could have paid the let's
call him a mule to go do it. They may
they may have no idea. So anyway, the niece does
his niece his his blood niece.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, he's got He's got nieces and nephews
in the East Coast family.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
That's not his family, that's his, that's his.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Okay, But I'm talking about what blood knows, right, his
his bloodline niece, bl she does twenty three and me
and whatever the whatever the feature is where you where
you look matches some unbelievable amount with some guy on
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the East coast who they say is a likely match.
So what do they do? Give you a percentage? This
is where I need help, Yeah, because I don't know
what that percentage? What is my forget every other scenario?
What is my percentage to my aunt? Hi?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I would imagine I'm gonna look it up.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
For what percentage of DNA do I share with my aunt?
I know what percentage I wanted to share with my
cousin twenty five? That's it?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
In my head, In my head, I feel like it
said that the niece and the dad or the child
who was abducted was twenty two percent.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Does that sound right?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I don't know why that number stands out in my head.
It says a niece can be up to twenty five,
So maybe that was it. Maybe it was up to
one third actually, so maybe they were at twenty two.
Maybe it was more than that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
But if that person is popping up and by name
it looks like a stranger, a number of twenty two percent.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Would stick out in a big way. Now, keep in mind.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
The niece knows she's got somebody out there that had
been abducted.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
She doesn't know him, but she knows the story.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Oh she didn't realize that.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
She knows her aunt had a child or her uncle
had a child that was abducted. It wasn't like they
hid it from the entire family. So she knows there
is somebody out there who is related to them, who
was abducted. She doesn't know where, she doesn't know what,
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she doesn't know the name, she doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Any of that.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Are you were right? A test?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Shit?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
A twenty two percent match?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Anyway, they got the investigation started up again.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And they went to him and sure is s it's him.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
So does twenty three and meters. Because interpreting results may
not be the easiest thing to do. And like you thought,
the percentage would be much higher, just in a relationship
that's known, right, Will they say to you, Hey, not
for nothing, but this is an extremely high match. It
(08:09):
may be worth your time to further investigate this. Should
you choose or are you left to be like, wait
a second, that does seem high? Should I do something
about this? Like are you are you in the dark?
Or do they guide you through the results that allows
you to uncover an incredible story about this. Yeah, but
(08:29):
the way you're saying is it's almost they encourage you
or do you have to do? They kind of take
a step back just because of legal reason. They don't
want to get too involved. See what you'll get asked.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I feel like I would step back and go, eh, but.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
This is something Diane never agreed to. Yeah, you never
did the sharing or whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It is.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
As amazing as a story is, this scares me from
ever doing this sharing or I've never done any part
of it.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I see this and think I should immediately get on. Seriously,
what if I got people out there?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
What if?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What if somebody's searching for me? How do I know
I'm even Phyllis's kid? Well, what if Phyllis and Peter
adopted me? I had an adopted brother?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Is your mom on twenty three and me? I have
no idea?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You never asked?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
No, it doesn't even come up. Diana's people. You may
know just because of your networks.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
No, I mean I haven't delved into that. I was like,
if if there is a siffing out.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
There, what if your real parents are looking for you. No, No,
but you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Oh my god, that's heavy for a Monday morning.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
You know your parents or your.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Parents stupar jeans are I would bet one hundred percent
that I am my dad's daughter.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So you think this guy stupid for not thinking that
the family that raised him didn't look anything.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like No, by the way, by the way he could look.
He could be. I'm gonna say this because I know
what he's not.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He could be raised by two black people and they
would go, yeah, we adopted you, like you wouldn't know.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
And again we do not know the story he was.
I know nothing about his story or the story the
parents were even told.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, do you remember coming out of Pearl?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I'm telling you, you believe that I am one my
my dad's daughter.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh did they? Twenty three?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And me?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Also?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
No, I looked like him, Diane. People people No, yes, no,
yes they.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Do, and if they do, there is a step or
out there.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So you're happy going through life note just not knowing
whether you were an abducted child.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I saw this and I was like, I gotta, I gotta,
I gotta get on it.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Careful what you wish for Yeah if I had, if
I had like siblings out there that I didn't know about,
I wouldn't care to meet them.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
What if I what if I find my brother David's
siblings or parents, Well, why would I zero match with them?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Right? What?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
What?
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Oh, You're suddenly going to strike up a relationship with them?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
What if my sister and I aren't?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Like what if all three of us were adopted and
my sister's not even my sister?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Who she is?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We were raised his sister?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, maybe not my blood but yeah, yeah, I don't
know where.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know where she was abducted from.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Now you think, what if they abducted all of you?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
My family was a trio of abducted kids. No, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Like, doesn't that make you think these people have been
searching for their family member for seventy three years. The
only thing that and again, somebody may see me walking
down the street going I wonder if I wonder if
that's my sibling that was abducted and the only the
only thing separating it is my my pig headedness about
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not doing one of these Now, Also, they could get
my DNA off a glass and I end up get
arrested or something, but I'm stolen the news.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yes, the police departments have used these databases as well, But.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Don't you feel like if if there's somebody searching, you
may be connected.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
But this is a very common gift for the holidays,
and I just feel like if one was to get
this for you would play incessant from Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I got now, I got to take a spit test
and a tish test. I gotta definitely here's here's a flock.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Of my hair.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
That's who's the closest relative to you that you know
has done this?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't know any relative. Well, I don't know any
of my relatives though, really I don't know that. I
don't know if like, like, do I have to start
getting into cousins? Yeah, I have no idea. Like, I
don't think Aunt Wendy and uncle Myron.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Have done it.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
I think my parents did it.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Did they really?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
But I'm is that why you're afraid to do it?
What if you were abducted? What if you're not really
your mom's kid?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, I guess that is a possibility.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And what if your real family is looking for you?
I didn't love that they did it. But do you
think there's any chance that you were abducted as a
child and delivered to your parents? No, Bob, you're free
and clear. You did nothing wrong. You married into this crime. No,
(13:21):
but I mean think about it. Everybody thinks that they're
part of the family.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
They are. What if you're what if you're an abducted child.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I'm gonna have to follow up, though, because I do
remember them talking about getting I don't remember them ever
a kid, No, ever talking about the results.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
What's the point in doing this if you're going to
keep it to yourself? Well told us, though she was
honest about it. At least my parents are trying to
cover up a scandal.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, ninety nine European.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Again.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
No, I just logged in to see what my report said.
I'm not sharing anyone.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Watch this.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Watch this, hey, Ane, you'll do me a favor. My
clients are they're looking for a baby needs to be
European looking. Go to Michigan, Oakland, go to Michigan. See
what you can get. Yeah, and then there's little Diana
out with one European family. Hey, little girl, Well some
(14:24):
faygo next thing? You know, bya bing you're you're with
frankin Pearl also European.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Look how easy.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yep ninety six Eastern European with Poland and Slovena.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Right.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Parents said that from the day I was born.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well, of course they did, because they paid someone to
get you.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Uh it too funny, says there is no guidance by
the companies. They just give you the data.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Good. Yeah, they can't guide. They can't guide. But wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Know, like there has to be some page or something
that says you know your like you pulled up nieces, nephews, whatever,
twenty three percent, cousins, blank percent.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Yeah, you click on family and friends and it said
you you shared DNA with other customers see all relatives.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
No, not clicking on that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
What about what about real parents or is it just
a click?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I don't know and I'm not clicking on it? Why because.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
What if we just found your birth parents? Oh my god,
we may have just solved a crime.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Now these poor people have been sitting with a candle
on yearning to get their baby girl back.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
In the meantime, you have no idea. You've spent your
whole life thinking old.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Just on Friday, we were talking about how Frank pearled
the wall and then all of a sudden, now you
got you could you could go to your real parents.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
No, not going to click on it.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
It's fun sharing a real hotel all with Elliott after
a morning like that, and he tells you every time
you go into your hey, you may hear me getting pearled.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Line eight.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Hi Elliet in the morning.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Hi, good morning. Hi.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Who's this?
Speaker 5 (16:16):
This is Jennifer from Stafford.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yes, yes, are you on like one of the genealogy sites?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Absolutely? Yeah, I have twenty I both got twenty three
meter and then I have that ancestor dot com one
but yeah, hey.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
What oh premium?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Hey, why why did you go? Where have you found anybody?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, let's answer a couple of things right. Number one,
not only did not only did did the knees have
to be on twenty three and me? But also the
guy had to be on twenty three and me? That's
the crazy part. They both were.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Right. And so I get reminders, like you know, I'll
get emails every two dasis's like you have new DNA
relatives And I did actually one for my daughter as well,
and so same thing. It'll just pop up well, you
have new DNA relatives and my daughter and I share
you know, fifty percent. I mean, so it's I'm sure
if I had the rest of everybody else is like
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zero point three six or one point.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh to you.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, now that's yeah, nineteenth cousin once removed through like exactly, yeah,
I don't care about that. What is the but they
go ahead, No, no, no, you go, you go.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I would just say they edited a new they added
a new feature where you can look see if you're
related to any like historical people, and so they'll say, like,
I'm there's like eight different vikings, you know what I
mean that the burial sites that I share some distant
DNA with.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That's I think I've got about that.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
The But now let me ask you this, though, do
they will they highlight one and go, you share a
large amount of DNA with this person.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
No, so it'll break it in categories like you're close
DNA and you know, just sant But no, they don't
highlight it. They don't anything. It just it will essentially
populate the list like greatest to least, right, so every time,
you know, whenever I log in and it'll show the
relatives I share the greatest amount of DNA with and
then downward.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But then you can get say anything.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
For example, let's pretend I'm your uncle, right, and I'm
not on twenty three in me premium, and you are.
If I signed up and I did all the SPIT tests,
the Tish test and all of that, and then they
found me, when you would get an alert and I
did premium, you would get an alert that says you're
thirty percent likely with this one. Well, obviously neither of
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us is abducted. But you would then have to figure
out who is that person? Does it tell you who
that person is or does it just say there is someone?
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Well, if it tells me there is somebody, that means
that other person who is also shared or opened up
their thing, right, But sometimes is there a picture to
them and then sometimes there's not. But you can reach
out to them and like type of message or what
try to connect with them, right, like you can try
to connect your family. Sure you're connecting that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Way, but yeah you can I don't know what the
twenty three and me languages, but like you can poke
them or swipe them or whatever it is, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
You can message them just you like shoot them an
email or whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Yeah, I'm telling you, and you can connect your trees
right certainly?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
All right, very good, very good, thank you. This is
this is the first time I've thought about doing it.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
So you are almost going to sign up. Diane is
being asked by Jordan, which is more likely Diane clicks
that button or gets a strike and bowling. But Timmy
brings up a good point, Diane, coming off of Friday's discussion,
this should make it less awkward you having heard them
have sex. They weren't your parents.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Hi, Elli in the morning.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Hey, Elliott, I'd want to find out if I were
not related to the family, so I so I can
start dating.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Hey, I do have a question, though you have to
keep it in your pocket. Hey, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The the is the most shared DNA You can have
fifty percent?
Speaker 4 (20:19):
No, what about an identical twin? Oh it's one hundred.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Oh yeah, so okay, but the most with your parent
would be fifty Yeah, the most with a sibling is
what that's not identical?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Can't that because we've talked about this before, can't I
go a little over fifties? Like sixty so.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I can have twixty percent with my sister. No, no
for just sil no just siblings.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Like let's say, let's say, like me and my sister,
what do we have.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Let's see here we go full sibling between thirty eight
and sixty one percent.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
What if we came back as zero or at like
point zero three two one nine because we were both abducted.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I'm telling you it's almost worth doing to put people
at ease. Okay, I would I would hate for somebody
to think that I could be theirs.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
They're a child.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It'll make Christmas shopping, but we're.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Not related, don't have to buy anything.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
But it also depends on you actually tishing in the vial.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You got that I would do. Hey, Also, what is that?
What is that company?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Col guard O color Guard.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Hey should be off a piece for twenty three and meters.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I bet, I bet the genealogy services are not. At
least their boxes are not as upsetting to the delivery
guys as we heard. The color Guard boxes are.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Hi, Ellie in the morning, Yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Hey Tony from Richlin?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Hey, Tony, what can I do for you?
Speaker 7 (22:04):
I did twenty three and me trying to find my
father found when I was twenty that guy thought was
my father was not really my father. So I tried
to link in the connection later on in life to
try to find out who he may be because my
mom was from Idaho, and I guess that's where she
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had met my father. But she was sixteen and her
mother had left and went to West Virginia and she
had to leave and go over there. So I never
knew any of that until I.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Was like twenty.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
But you know, yeah, I mean, listen, you and I
could be siblings. Let me get on twenty three and me.
But you know what I mean, Thank you, sir. It's
also think about it. Both parties have to do it
and both have to agree. That's what's so amazing about
this story.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
There are quite a few listeners who have found children
who were either given up for adoption secret pregnancies. Aaron writes,
this is how my biological son found me.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
WHOA oh my god, like did she did she put
him up for adoption?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Or was he abducted?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I knew he was adopted in placed the day he
was born, but he that would be hard. He did
twenty three and meter and was told my sister was
one hundred percent match. Aunt oh wow, looked her up,
found me, saw pictures of my son and thought they
could have been in pictures of him because they looked
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so similar, and reached out. But now we see him
all the time.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Now I can't tell if that makes me comfortable or uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
All of the stories ended with like it all worked out,
Amanda said. We for the past three years, we've seen
each other once a year. So it seems like these
these newly identified regisents and in some cases very close related,
closely related people here we had a son are either
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extending the arm or have developed a relationship.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I think that's awesome. I think that's the only downside
really is getting framed on a crime.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
They're like, oh, you know what, that that tissue chipped off,
It matches, It matches the toilet paper in his trash.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I love this story though, of the kid out of California.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I love it so I love them. Do you want
to set yes or no?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know what it's I want to say yes, but
it's not for me. It's for those searching. If Elliott
gets one, will you, Diane, will you open it?
Speaker 4 (24:50):
That button?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
No?
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Why I don't want that mess.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Why did you do it in the first place?
Speaker 6 (24:55):
It does I was given as a gift, but it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Seem like I got it.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
We did it just to see like the definitive ancestry report.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Okay, you got a star as a gift.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
You didn't go searching for it in the sky, because
that's stupid.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
You got the definitive report, you didn't click.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Through if I, if I have, you are that I
don't know about.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I don't want to know. I'm too old for that crap.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
No, and Kristen reminded us, have you done one of these? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
No, no, no, I mean that everybody everybody in Oh hey,
I think.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
We saw a lot of our relatives and since not
in Kentucky, Kristen, no,
Nineteen fifty one. How many years ago is that?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Seventy three? Seventy three, seventy three years ago. There's a
six year old boy living in.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Oakland, California. Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Anyway, he's living in Oakland, California.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
What was the county in Michigan? The see Tucker.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
He's six years old.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
He's playing at a park in Oakland, California with his sibling. Sister,
sister or brother, doesn't matter. He's with his sibling. A
woman approaches them and says to the kid in Spanish,
do you want some candy? And like, hey, come with
(00:56):
me and I'll give you candy. And the kids six
and he goes and that was the last his family
ever saw of him. Six years old, he's abducted out
of this park in front of his sibling in Oakland, California.
(01:19):
Seventy three years later, he was located living on the
East Coast. Through genealogy, his family never knew, I mean,
they knew he had been taken or he had walked
away with this woman.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Never knew what happened to him.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So keep in mind, there's, you know, a mom who
unfortunately has passed, but he had a sibling and they
were like, we're never going to give up trying to
find whatever happened.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
To is his name Louise Luise?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, yeah, we're never going to try We're never going
to stop trying to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Well, anyway, did that hold true for seventy years? Hey,
you said some people have died, But was there an effort?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I don't know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Ongoing effort, I should say ongoing. Probably not.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm sure there were ebbs and flows and peaks and valleys.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Well, especially you're talking about a child.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's seventy three years.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And again I don't say that meaning like, well, after
fifty years you just say, oh screw it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And forget it.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No, I mean your kid was abducted, your sibling was abducted.
You never let go. I understand that, But I don't
know if every single day, I'm like I said, I'm
sure there were ups and downs and ebbs and flows.
The case had gone unbelievably cold. Well, anyway, this guy
(02:49):
who's now seventy nine, right, if he was six and
it's been seventy three years, you do the math, So
he's seventy nine years old. He grew up on the
East Coast, with this family. He didn't know, he didn't
know he was abducted.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But was he abducted by the family or did the
abductor give him to a family that I don't know,
Like there's something that definitely happened.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh, that happens a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean, well, never mind, like did the family I mean, like, hi,
get in there and get me a baby?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Is the family aware that this was and a I
mean forget being above board that this was a horrific kidnapping.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Wait, which which family?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
The East Coast family?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
We have none of those deals.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I don't know any of those details. I know nothing about.
Here's what they won't even say what city on the
East Coast he lives in. In my mind, I put
him in Virginia. But I have no idea. The kid
gets brought back east right at six, he grows up
on the East Coast. He doesn't know he was abducted.
(04:03):
He's got no memory of being abducted. He's got no
idea the family that raised him on the East Coast
to him is his family that raised him.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Right, he wasn't to the best that I can tell.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And told him. You know, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And again, the best that I could tell in there's
there's very limited information about what his life was like
on the East Coast.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Is it for the family's protection, Ah.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think yes. I think it's for privacy. I think
it's for protecting. I think it's for everything. But again
I don't I don't know that he was He may
have been brought up very happy and healthy and in
a great, loving family on the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Now just so happens he was abducted and put into
that house.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
But you know what I mean, Like, I don't have
any indication that he was abused or anything was wrong
with him.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, and again that family may have thought this was
a completely legitimately.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
The family with him.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, they could have. They could have paid the let's
call him a mule to go do it. They may
they may have no idea. So anyway, the niece does
his niece his his blood niece.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, he's got He's got nieces and nephews
in the East Coast family.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
That's not his family, that's his, that's his.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Okay, But I'm talking about what blood knows, right, his
his bloodline niece, bl she does twenty three and me
and whatever the whatever the feature is where you where
you look matches some unbelievable amount with some guy on
(05:50):
the East coast who they say is a likely match.
So what do they do? Give you a percentage? This
is where I need help, Yeah, because I don't know
what that percentage? What is my forget every other scenario?
What is my percentage to my aunt? Hi?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I would imagine I'm gonna look it up.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
For what percentage of DNA do I share with my aunt?
I know what percentage I wanted to share with my
cousin twenty five? That's it?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
In my head, In my head, I feel like it
said that the niece and the dad or the child
who was abducted was twenty two percent.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Does that sound right?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I don't know why that number stands out in my head.
It says a niece can be up to twenty five,
So maybe that was it. Maybe it was up to
one third actually, so maybe they were at twenty two.
Maybe it was more than that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
But if that person is popping up and by name
it looks like a stranger, a number of twenty two percent.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Would stick out in a big way. Now, keep in mind.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
The niece knows she's got somebody out there that had
been abducted.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
She doesn't know him, but she knows the story.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Oh she didn't realize that.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
She knows her aunt had a child or her uncle
had a child that was abducted. It wasn't like they
hid it from the entire family. So she knows there
is somebody out there who is related to them, who
was abducted. She doesn't know where, she doesn't know what,
(07:28):
she doesn't know the name, she doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Any of that.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Are you were right? A test?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Shit?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
A twenty two percent match?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Anyway, they got the investigation started up again.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And they went to him and sure is s it's him.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
So does twenty three and meters. Because interpreting results may
not be the easiest thing to do. And like you thought,
the percentage would be much higher, just in a relationship
that's known, right, Will they say to you, Hey, not
for nothing, but this is an extremely high match. It
(08:09):
may be worth your time to further investigate this. Should
you choose or are you left to be like, wait
a second, that does seem high? Should I do something
about this? Like are you are you in the dark?
Or do they guide you through the results that allows
you to uncover an incredible story about this. Yeah, but
(08:29):
the way you're saying is it's almost they encourage you
or do you have to do? They kind of take
a step back just because of legal reason. They don't
want to get too involved. See what you'll get asked.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I feel like I would step back and go, eh, but.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
This is something Diane never agreed to. Yeah, you never
did the sharing or whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It is.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
As amazing as a story is, this scares me from
ever doing this sharing or I've never done any part
of it.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I see this and think I should immediately get on. Seriously,
what if I got people out there?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
What if?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What if somebody's searching for me? How do I know
I'm even Phyllis's kid? Well, what if Phyllis and Peter
adopted me? I had an adopted brother?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Is your mom on twenty three and me? I have
no idea?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You never asked?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
No, it doesn't even come up. Diana's people. You may
know just because of your networks.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
No, I mean I haven't delved into that. I was like,
if if there is a siffing out.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
There, what if your real parents are looking for you. No, No,
but you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Oh my god, that's heavy for a Monday morning.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
You know your parents or your.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Parents stupar jeans are I would bet one hundred percent
that I am my dad's daughter.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So you think this guy stupid for not thinking that
the family that raised him didn't look anything.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like No, by the way, by the way he could look.
He could be. I'm gonna say this because I know
what he's not.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He could be raised by two black people and they
would go, yeah, we adopted you, like you wouldn't know.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
And again we do not know the story he was.
I know nothing about his story or the story the
parents were even told.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, do you remember coming out of Pearl?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I'm telling you, you believe that I am one my
my dad's daughter.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh did they? Twenty three?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And me?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Also?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
No, I looked like him, Diane. People people No, yes, no,
yes they.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Do, and if they do, there is a step or
out there.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So you're happy going through life note just not knowing
whether you were an abducted child.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I saw this and I was like, I gotta, I gotta,
I gotta get on it.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Careful what you wish for Yeah if I had, if
I had like siblings out there that I didn't know about,
I wouldn't care to meet them.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
What if I what if I find my brother David's
siblings or parents, Well, why would I zero match with them?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Right? What?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
What?
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Oh, You're suddenly going to strike up a relationship with them?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
What if my sister and I aren't?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Like what if all three of us were adopted and
my sister's not even my sister?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Who she is?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We were raised his sister?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, maybe not my blood but yeah, yeah, I don't
know where.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know where she was abducted from.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Now you think, what if they abducted all of you?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
My family was a trio of abducted kids. No, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Like, doesn't that make you think these people have been
searching for their family member for seventy three years. The
only thing that and again, somebody may see me walking
down the street going I wonder if I wonder if
that's my sibling that was abducted and the only the
only thing separating it is my my pig headedness about
(11:54):
not doing one of these Now, Also, they could get
my DNA off a glass and I end up get
arrested or something, but I'm stolen the news.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yes, the police departments have used these databases as well, But.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Don't you feel like if if there's somebody searching, you
may be connected.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
But this is a very common gift for the holidays,
and I just feel like if one was to get
this for you would play incessant from Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I got now, I got to take a spit test
and a tish test. I gotta definitely here's here's a flock.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Of my hair.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
That's who's the closest relative to you that you know
has done this?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't know any relative. Well, I don't know any
of my relatives though, really I don't know that. I
don't know if like, like, do I have to start
getting into cousins? Yeah, I have no idea. Like, I
don't think Aunt Wendy and uncle Myron.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Have done it.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
I think my parents did it.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Did they really?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
But I'm is that why you're afraid to do it?
What if you were abducted? What if you're not really
your mom's kid?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, I guess that is a possibility.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And what if your real family is looking for you?
I didn't love that they did it. But do you
think there's any chance that you were abducted as a
child and delivered to your parents? No, Bob, you're free
and clear. You did nothing wrong. You married into this crime. No,
(13:21):
but I mean think about it. Everybody thinks that they're
part of the family.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
They are. What if you're what if you're an abducted child.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I'm gonna have to follow up, though, because I do
remember them talking about getting I don't remember them ever
a kid, No, ever talking about the results.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
What's the point in doing this if you're going to
keep it to yourself? Well told us, though she was
honest about it. At least my parents are trying to
cover up a scandal.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, ninety nine European.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Again.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
No, I just logged in to see what my report said.
I'm not sharing anyone.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Watch this.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Watch this, hey, Ane, you'll do me a favor. My
clients are they're looking for a baby needs to be
European looking. Go to Michigan, Oakland, go to Michigan. See
what you can get. Yeah, and then there's little Diana
out with one European family. Hey, little girl, Well some
(14:24):
faygo next thing? You know, bya bing you're you're with
frankin Pearl also European.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Look how easy.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yep ninety six Eastern European with Poland and Slovena.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Right.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Parents said that from the day I was born.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well, of course they did, because they paid someone to
get you.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Uh it too funny, says there is no guidance by
the companies. They just give you the data.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Good. Yeah, they can't guide. They can't guide. But wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Know, like there has to be some page or something
that says you know your like you pulled up nieces, nephews, whatever,
twenty three percent, cousins, blank percent.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Yeah, you click on family and friends and it said
you you shared DNA with other customers see all relatives.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
No, not clicking on that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
What about what about real parents or is it just
a click?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I don't know and I'm not clicking on it? Why because.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
What if we just found your birth parents? Oh my god,
we may have just solved a crime.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Now these poor people have been sitting with a candle
on yearning to get their baby girl back.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
In the meantime, you have no idea. You've spent your
whole life thinking old.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Just on Friday, we were talking about how Frank pearled
the wall and then all of a sudden, now you
got you could you could go to your real parents.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
No, not going to click on it.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
It's fun sharing a real hotel all with Elliott after
a morning like that, and he tells you every time
you go into your hey, you may hear me getting pearled.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Line eight.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Hi Elliet in the morning.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Hi, good morning. Hi.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Who's this?
Speaker 5 (16:16):
This is Jennifer from Stafford.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yes, yes, are you on like one of the genealogy sites?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Absolutely? Yeah, I have twenty I both got twenty three
meter and then I have that ancestor dot com one
but yeah, hey.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
What oh premium?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Hey, why why did you go? Where have you found anybody?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, let's answer a couple of things right. Number one,
not only did not only did did the knees have
to be on twenty three and me? But also the
guy had to be on twenty three and me? That's
the crazy part. They both were.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Right. And so I get reminders, like you know, I'll
get emails every two dasis's like you have new DNA
relatives And I did actually one for my daughter as well,
and so same thing. It'll just pop up well, you
have new DNA relatives and my daughter and I share
you know, fifty percent. I mean, so it's I'm sure
if I had the rest of everybody else is like
(17:12):
zero point three six or one point.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh to you.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, now that's yeah, nineteenth cousin once removed through like exactly, yeah,
I don't care about that. What is the but they
go ahead, No, no, no, you go, you go.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I would just say they edited a new they added
a new feature where you can look see if you're
related to any like historical people, and so they'll say, like,
I'm there's like eight different vikings, you know what I
mean that the burial sites that I share some distant
DNA with.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That's I think I've got about that.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
The But now let me ask you this, though, do
they will they highlight one and go, you share a
large amount of DNA with this person.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
No, so it'll break it in categories like you're close
DNA and you know, just sant But no, they don't
highlight it. They don't anything. It just it will essentially
populate the list like greatest to least, right, so every time,
you know, whenever I log in and it'll show the
relatives I share the greatest amount of DNA with and
then downward.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But then you can get say anything.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
For example, let's pretend I'm your uncle, right, and I'm
not on twenty three in me premium, and you are.
If I signed up and I did all the SPIT tests,
the Tish test and all of that, and then they
found me, when you would get an alert and I
did premium, you would get an alert that says you're
thirty percent likely with this one. Well, obviously neither of
(18:36):
us is abducted. But you would then have to figure
out who is that person? Does it tell you who
that person is or does it just say there is someone?
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Well, if it tells me there is somebody, that means
that other person who is also shared or opened up
their thing, right, But sometimes is there a picture to
them and then sometimes there's not. But you can reach
out to them and like type of message or what
try to connect with them, right, like you can try
to connect your family. Sure you're connecting that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Way, but yeah you can I don't know what the
twenty three and me languages, but like you can poke
them or swipe them or whatever it is, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
You can message them just you like shoot them an
email or whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Yeah, I'm telling you, and you can connect your trees
right certainly?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
All right, very good, very good, thank you. This is
this is the first time I've thought about doing it.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
So you are almost going to sign up. Diane is
being asked by Jordan, which is more likely Diane clicks
that button or gets a strike and bowling. But Timmy
brings up a good point, Diane, coming off of Friday's discussion,
this should make it less awkward you having heard them
have sex. They weren't your parents.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Hi, Elli in the morning.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Hey, Elliott, I'd want to find out if I were
not related to the family, so I so I can
start dating.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Hey, I do have a question, though you have to
keep it in your pocket. Hey, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The the is the most shared DNA You can have
fifty percent?
Speaker 4 (20:19):
No, what about an identical twin? Oh it's one hundred.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Oh yeah, so okay, but the most with your parent
would be fifty Yeah, the most with a sibling is
what that's not identical?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Can't that because we've talked about this before, can't I
go a little over fifties? Like sixty so.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I can have twixty percent with my sister. No, no
for just sil no just siblings.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Like let's say, let's say, like me and my sister,
what do we have.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Let's see here we go full sibling between thirty eight
and sixty one percent.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
What if we came back as zero or at like
point zero three two one nine because we were both abducted.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I'm telling you it's almost worth doing to put people
at ease. Okay, I would I would hate for somebody
to think that I could be theirs.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
They're a child.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It'll make Christmas shopping, but we're.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Not related, don't have to buy anything.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
But it also depends on you actually tishing in the vial.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You got that I would do. Hey, Also, what is that?
What is that company?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Col guard O color Guard.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Hey should be off a piece for twenty three and meters.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I bet, I bet the genealogy services are not. At
least their boxes are not as upsetting to the delivery
guys as we heard. The color Guard boxes are.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Hi, Ellie in the morning, Yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Hey Tony from Richlin?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Hey, Tony, what can I do for you?
Speaker 7 (22:04):
I did twenty three and me trying to find my
father found when I was twenty that guy thought was
my father was not really my father. So I tried
to link in the connection later on in life to
try to find out who he may be because my
mom was from Idaho, and I guess that's where she
(22:28):
had met my father. But she was sixteen and her
mother had left and went to West Virginia and she
had to leave and go over there. So I never
knew any of that until I.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Was like twenty.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
But you know, yeah, I mean, listen, you and I
could be siblings. Let me get on twenty three and me.
But you know what I mean, Thank you, sir. It's
also think about it. Both parties have to do it
and both have to agree. That's what's so amazing about
this story.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
There are quite a few listeners who have found children
who were either given up for adoption secret pregnancies. Aaron writes,
this is how my biological son found me.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
WHOA oh my god, like did she did she put
him up for adoption?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Or was he abducted?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I knew he was adopted in placed the day he
was born, but he that would be hard. He did
twenty three and meter and was told my sister was
one hundred percent match. Aunt oh wow, looked her up,
found me, saw pictures of my son and thought they
could have been in pictures of him because they looked
(23:38):
so similar, and reached out. But now we see him
all the time.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Now I can't tell if that makes me comfortable or uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
All of the stories ended with like it all worked out,
Amanda said. We for the past three years, we've seen
each other once a year. So it seems like these
these newly identified regisents and in some cases very close related,
closely related people here we had a son are either
(24:07):
extending the arm or have developed a relationship.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I think that's awesome. I think that's the only downside
really is getting framed on a crime.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
They're like, oh, you know what, that that tissue chipped off,
It matches, It matches the toilet paper in his trash.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I love this story though, of the kid out of California.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I love it so I love them. Do you want
to set yes or no?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know what it's I want to say yes, but
it's not for me. It's for those searching. If Elliott
gets one, will you, Diane, will you open it?
Speaker 4 (24:50):
That button?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
No?
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Why I don't want that mess.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Why did you do it in the first place?
Speaker 6 (24:55):
It does I was given as a gift, but it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Seem like I got it.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
We did it just to see like the definitive ancestry report.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Okay, you got a star as a gift.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
You didn't go searching for it in the sky, because
that's stupid.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
You got the definitive report, you didn't click.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Through if I, if I have, you are that I
don't know about.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I don't want to know. I'm too old for that crap.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
No, and Kristen reminded us, have you done one of these? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
No, no, no, I mean that everybody everybody in Oh hey,
I think.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
We saw a lot of our relatives and since not
in Kentucky, Kristen, no,
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