September 3, 2025 • 30 mins
Flying restrictions and the pilots who shove them.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There was a great story that came out about what happens,
and so the numbers are up over the last couple
of years, and they believe part of the I don't
want to say the problem, but one of the reasons
is there's just more people doing it, but more people
who have their private pilot's license, just their own license
to be able to fly, and that is accidentally flying
(00:24):
into restricted airspace. Dude, it is terrifying when you read
about it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
What happens.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yes, and so CHRISTI, will you do me a favor?
And they said, well, let me one thing at a time.
Will you find me somebody that's either a somebody who
has their private pilot's license and can fly. I'd love
to talk to somebody who flies fighter jets who's had
to go up and intercept a plane in restricted airspace
(00:56):
and listen, the best thing is.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
They get in there.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And they get the attention of the pilot and everything
works itself out and there's some stuff that goes on afterwards,
but that it's not somebody who's really violated airspace with
with a harmful intention that they accidentally fly into restricted airspace.
So if there's somebody anybody who has a private pilot's license.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Or somebody who flies fighter jets.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
That would be freaking awesome eight six six to Elliott
eight six six two three five five four six eight.
So they were talking about how number one, more and
more people have pilot's licenses. Now it continues to it
continues to go up. That's number one. Number two, the
areas that are considered restricted airspace have also gone up.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, there's more places, or they said.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
The other thing that'll happen is something may be not
on every day restrict like you can't fly over the
White House at any point it's restricted airspace. But they
one of the things they point out is that if
if the president goes to one of his golf courses,
that becomes restricted airspace. So you may be able to
(02:12):
fly over it any other day, but when he's there,
then it becomes restricted airspace. And a lot of times
like when the when the I don't know what it is,
but when your when your machines or your computers on
your plane, they don't update when you turn the plane on,
so you may not even know it's restricted airspace, so
(02:34):
you just fly over it accidentally because two days ago
you flew over it.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And everything was fine, and there's no way to know
say again, and there's no indication.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
If if the if the systems don't talk to each other.
It sounds like when you turn your systems on that
there should be it should kick it immediately, you know,
like if you turn ways on, like ways will tell you, oh,
don't go this way, go that.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Way, and it picks stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But sometimes I'll like, sometimes I'll take Clara Barton and
it'll want me to exit Clara Barton. I'm like, why
would I do that? I'm there's no traffic, it's not
blocked off. It's because my ways hasn't updated. Or every
so often you'll be driving it'll go like, oh crash
has happened.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Go this way so it'll update.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, sometimes the flight equipment doesn't update, so you have
no idea that whether it's the like one of the
ones they pointed out where there used to be a
lot of problems, Trump doesn't go to Camp David anymore,
or doesn't really go at all right, where many other
presidents did. Now Camp David is restricted airspace. It gets
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bigger if it's being occupied. So he said there used
to be used to get them a lot around like
Thermont in that area from people that were flying them,
like I had no idea, Like my equipment didn't come
on and say that I was in restricted airspace, so
I didn't know. So a lot of times it's totally biack,
(04:01):
which is why all the fighter pilots say, every time
they fly up next to somebody, the pilot has a
look on their face of what the f is going on?
And they said, sometimes the pilots don't understand and they
think that it's the fighter pilot's jacking with them, so
they'll look at them and go what or they'll flip
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them off because they just think it's the fighter pilots
screwing with them.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
When you flew out of Frederick, yes I did. I
don't remember, and if you told us, I'm sorry. I
also was afraid to go up with you, so I
wasn't a part of it. But did you guys have
to have a conversation about Camp David?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Oh, so you don't know that from that experience.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
No, I just know that from reading.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Did you guys discuss restricted airspace?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I wasn't in charge of where we were going.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Because you're not that far from Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
No, no, you're very close.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But I wonder if you started to veer that way,
they would have told you.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Okay, keep in mind, I also I flew the plane once.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
We were like we were over a quarry when I
flew the plane, but getting to there.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
No, I was not in charge of where we were.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
If we flew over restricted airspace, that was on the
That was on the AOPA pilot, not on me.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Now did your son learn about that when he went
up recently?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
No, that was on Stove. Stove knows where to fly.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
By the way, if anybody's gonna accidentally hit restricted airspace.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's gonna be Stove.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But again, for some of these guys, it's not even
I don't want to say it's not their fault, but
it's not their fault. It's just the two systems don't
talk to each other, or it doesn't the if you will,
the app doesn't update like that. So Stove could be
flying over Bedminster golf Course and the next thing you know,
Stove's got a couple fighter pilots right.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Up his ass.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Wow, I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That has got to be the scariest moment ever.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
They said that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So they talked to a couple of fighter pilots, and
I guess the way that it works is, once a
plane hits restricted airspace, they go. I mean that we
know they go, and normally, I believe the normal protocol,
and then I'll grab a bunch of people are on hold.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I believe the normal protocol.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
From what I read was two fighter pilots will scramble.
One goes right for the plane, the other one lags
back a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So the one that goes right for the plane will
get up next to the.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Small little private plane, which I imagine, like you're listen, I
really know nothing about small private planes, but I can
tell you they're not a billion dollars like fighter jets.
And I would bet when you see a fighter jet
pull up next to you, you're like.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Oh my god, well you could probably also hear it coming.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But they said no, they said, in some cases, you
don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So like sometimes they have to fire flares to get
your attention.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Jesus, are you're sewing that zone.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But there's this whole flipping of the wings thing that
you have to do, so like the fighter pilot will
make eye contact with you, hopefully you make eye contact
with him.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
If not, the flares will get your attention.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Which I think are missiles.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So I guess as you're flying, they say that you
almost have to tip your wing twice, where it's almost
like the sign.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Of like some sort of acknowledgement.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Now, if I were flying the if, I'm like, sorry,
I screwed up.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yes, could you imagine flying the private plane. I'm already scared.
I just made the biggest turd of my life in
my pants because there's a fighter jet out of me,
and I have to be calm enough to tip my wings.
I'm afraid i'd barrel roll the plane. I would, I
would be terrified.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
But immediately after that, you have to make the tightest
you turn possible.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You'll I'll fly with you and escort you to where
we're going.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
They decide.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Now that part I don't know. I just know they
go with you. Now, remember you got a plane about
a mile two miles, I can't remember how far back,
but you got that second fighter jet. Because they said
sometimes pilots, the private pilots, they freak out and they're like,
oh crap, there's a fighter jet. I better go this way.
(08:30):
We call that the inadvertent flea. And that's where you
take off. Well, the next thing, you know, if.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
You're getting even further into the restriction, Guy, you.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Got a fighter jet who's now banking and coming at you.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
And I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The rear view mirror looks like, but I bet when
that fighter jet creeps up your ass real quick, woo f.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
That's gotta be rough.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Does that second one also have air to air missiles?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I guarantee you that second one can shoot you down,
no question, no question. Then they they escort you back
to wherever you're landing. I don't know where you go,
little smaller airport.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
If you flew over restricted airspace in DC, they may
just make you land at National just to get you
on the ground. I have no idea. Wait, I don't
know if I'm flying all the way out to Manassas.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
That's true, then we're gonna they're yours, your honor.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Then you're gonna do some question and answer and apparently
and rightfully so I get it, they climb up your ass.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I totally understand that, Like, you should cancel your plans.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Oh you're gonna be late.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, I know that you thought you were saving time
by flying yourself You're gonna be a little late.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Where am I going line?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
It's not quick?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Hi Elliot in the morning.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Hey, good morning Joe from hart Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Hey Joe, how are you good?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Good? Love your show?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Hey? Thank you? Have you are you? Do you have
a pilot license?
Speaker 5 (10:06):
I do, and I was also a naval aviator for decades,
and then I was a test pilot with the Naval
Aviation I have never done interceps though, of civilian aircraft.
That's more like an Air National Guard mission.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But do they But they go up in fighters though, right.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Oh, yeah, right, I'm guessing most of them would be
F sixteens and in Air National Guard units is what
you usually hear.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So and I don't I assume their only job isn't
to sit in the cockpit and wait to be launched,
but maybe it is.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
It's rare. You sit in the cockpit and the carrier
we sit on the cockpit. But you have different ready levels,
and I would assume their ready level is going to
be hanging out in the ready room with a jet
on the flight line ready to launch.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Right, So yeah, no, because I mean, listen, ninety.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Of the time it's going to be my kid's friend
stove who didn't realize I can't fly over this golf
course versus somebody's meeting some harmful intent and is flying
into intentionally into restricted airspace.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So yes, but you still want them to be ready.
I totally understand that.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
I think the majority of them are going to be
that that private pilot wasn't where he thought he was
because most of the restricted airspace. Of course, you're going
to have a temporary restricted airspace, but most of the
restricted airspace you're going to know about, and if you
do your due diligence, you know that. The idea is,
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you know, just because you can buy an airplane, like
you know, nothing against medical doctors, but you know the
doctors out there is the old stereotype buys an airplane.
Most people don't understand airspace classification in detail, and the
majority of them just stay away from all their MOA's,
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the military operating areas and the restricted airspace. But yes,
once you bust a restricted airspace, it's a serious interaction,
without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And here they said they attributed a lot of it
to a flight planning program failing to refresh with the
latest warnings.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So it's almost like the app does an update.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah, that could be part of it. To what it is,
that's an over reliance on the apps that you can
download on your phone that are navigational apps today that
you still are required to. You know, there's notice to
airmen of any temporary restricted airspaces. The other restricted airspaces
are all clearly marked. So it's you usually someone thinking
(13:01):
they're skirting it and they don't know exactly where they are,
which is going to be you know, a recreational private pilot, right.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And when you say skirting it, do you mean like
like if if Bedminster golf Course or any of any
of Trump's golf courses and he was he was there golfing.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
That skirted is like I'm just going to fly es
around the.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Outside, Yeah, exactly. Usually what happens is those guys don't
have instrument ratings, so they get pushed further say yeah,
I always followed that ninety five down or something like that,
Oh I got you right, right right, And then they
have to stay certain cloud clearances and there's clouds, so
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it pushes them over a little further than they would
normally be, is it. So you know, just like anything
in life, it's the Domino stack. So the clouds push
them off their normal route. Next thing they know, they're over,
but they don't think they are as far as they are,
and some of their ground references are obscured, and now
they've busted restricted air I.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Got youa very informational I appreciate it. Thank you, my friend,
Thank you, sir. Absolutely hey, you got to talk to
you later. I still can't imagine. I can't imagine sitting
in there and watching a fighter jet pull up next
to you.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Of course not and he sort of gave you the
reasons it may happen. While at the same time, I
feel like the sentiment is being shared online suggesting there's
no excuse like that the notice to airman that.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
He reference, I don't know. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
A bunch of people have brought that up. It's n otams.
They're saying, you should absolutely know, like there's no reason
you are not aware that it's restricted airspace.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
But would you know if it's not always restricted. It's like,
for example, it seems like you should I don't. Well,
I don't have a pilot's license, but I I know
I can't fly over the White House. I know I
can't fly over the Pentagon. Those are the two things
(15:06):
I no, But like I would imagine I can't fly
over the CIA building.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
From Mandy. Notice to airmen are put up for the
restricted areas and then disseminated to airspace users. They absolutely know.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
But what is like everybody keeps saying notice to airman?
What is a notice to airmen?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And are we It's not like you're up in the
sky and all of a sudden, it's like like a
like a yellow triangle pops up and it's like, well,
don't fly over that.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
You have no idea? Where Like I don't know what
that is. I don't know what a notice to airman is.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
But first, because it's written as NTAM, is it notem like?
Are we not sounding cool? Because we've got the lingo off?
Like should Bagel know about this?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
You know?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Not them? Not them? There's no excuse, no them? My friend?
Am I going to seven? Hi Ellie at the morning?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Hey man? How are you?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I am doing great? Thank you? What can I do
for you?
Speaker 5 (16:08):
So you got?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Oh damn it? Are you there? Are you there?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
All right?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Hold on, I'll see if I can catch you. I'll
see if I can catch you.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Note them driving around Kaktokdin Mountain Park.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Hi Ellie at the morning.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Hey, good morning, this is Camden from Fairfax.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Hey, how are you are you? You're a pilot.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
I'm a pilot, yeah, and also a flight instructor out
of a flying club out of Manassas.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Oh, very good, nice to talk to you.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
You've never been intercepted, have you?
Speaker 7 (16:39):
No, I've never been intercepted. I'm not a fire pilot.
But it is something that before someone gets their private
pilot license, they're expected to know the interception procedures and
they're definitely expected to know how to stay out of
restricted airspace. So there's kind of two buckets to this.
So you have normal charted restricted airspace, it's on the
aviation charts. It's the air all the time. You know
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to stay away from it. Where some of these pilots
are getting into trouble is they're not doing their proper
pre flight briefing. And that's where, as Tyler mentioned, is
pronounced nodems notice to airmen. That's where they miss that.
It's like a text notification. The other problem with it
is there's so many notems that can come out everything
from a cell phone tower that has the lights not
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working correctly, like the notem will be issued for that.
So sometimes the restricted airspace nodems, the temporary flight restrictions
can be just lost in the white noise of all
the other nodems and the pilots just don't read.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
It, so I could live.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So is that is that a flaw in the system
or is that a flaw in the pilot.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
It's a little of both. So modern day the modern
day system, they're trying to make it more user friendly,
and there's a lot of flight apps that will visualize
the node of information, so you can, for example, on
your iPad, rather than having a paper chart, it will
show you visually where the temporary flight is. So flight
restriction is so like you guys mentioned the golf courses
(18:04):
for the presidential temporary flight restrictions, those can pop up
and you know, relatively short notice, within twelve, twelve or
twenty four hours, So if a pilot hasn't done their
pre flight, they might miss that. Just fly right through it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Is it in like you said, like twelve to twenty
four hours. So it's not possible that I'm taking off
out of Manassas and then all of a sudden, like
two seconds later, as I'm heading down the runway, it's
like he's at a golf course and uh, restricted airspace.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I wouldn't even have time to know.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Usually, I mean it can be shorter than the twelve
hour window, but it's not going to be. I mean
it takes time to process it. So if you've done
your pre flight planning within the previous.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Hour or so before you take off, you.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Should be catching any of the temporary flight restrictions that
are going into effect.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I gotcha.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And then, like you the other thing you said, like
I if there's a cell phone tower where the lights
are off, understand why a pilot would need to be
told that, right, I mean you can't see the red
light flashing or whatever it is, but that doesn't mean
I can't fly near it.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
No, So that my example of that is just there
can be so many notems they're issued, from everything from
the tower lights being out to a runway light that's broken,
to then you know the more serious ones like the
temperate flight restrictions that pilots aren't reading through the pre
flight information careful, gotcha. Over the more important ones.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Right, So I could have I could have, like just
using a regular person's phone, I could have three hundred
text messages and be like, oh, I guess.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I missed one. Yeah, exactly, God, I hope.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I missed the light out on the runway one.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Well, and allie, And if you ever do get an intercepted,
don't worry. I don't know if you'll be able to
see over the window to actually see them without your
booster sipt.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, thank you, sir, thank you, recall man.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Fantastic listening, yes to you. Somebody is wondering that would
be terrifying if you read about the head butt. What
is the head But I have no idea head butt
and I can't find it. It's pulling up a lot
of different results.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
The head butt.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Now, somebody did call who used to be stationed at
Camp David and said, regular occurrence.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
What is the head butt?
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Oh, here we go. H Air force pilots perform headbut
aerial intercept. But what is the maneuver.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
There's no way they bump a plane. There's no way.
There's no way.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
We need someone who knows it, doesn't explain it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Okay, in real life, if I head butt you. I
head butt you like this. Yeah, I'm hitting you with
my head.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
There is no way Goose.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Maverick is flying up behind me and bumping the rear
end of my plane.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Now this right, I refers to it as a standard procedure,
so it doesn't seem maybe too extreme, although you know.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
How much diarrhea they would have to clean out of
the plane if a fighter pilot bumped me from behind.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
They're not bumping you, Okay, that's what is aheadbutt. We
don't know it's gonna it's figurative in some way.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Do they fly at you?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I don't know, because again, that's a lot of so
much diarrhea on the canopy. Also, if I were the
fighter pilot and I was flying directly towards the plane,
that's a weird game of chickens. As if you both
go to the same direction, there's a problem. Thinking back,
(21:45):
don't you think it'd be great to be a fighter.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Pilot because you think you'd be well suited for that role.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No, I know I'm not tall enough to be a
fighter pilot.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I feel like they told me that when I flew
with the Angels.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I would think you would have to be on the
smaller side to fit in.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Some of those guys are like six' five and made
are the fighter? Pilots, yes they're, tall they are good.
Looking remember The, okay The Blue angels guys told me
they hadn't paid for a drink since the day they
Became Blue.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Angels if you're a if you're and.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Again it probably works For, Thunderbirds Blue Angel any fighter,
PILOT i bet you never paid for a beer and
you've never heard the word. No but, yeah fighter pilots are, Tall,
DAN i can't see over the dashboard of a.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Plane, Hi elliot in the.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Morning, hey how's it? Going?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Hey who's This? Michael, Yes? Michael what CAN i do for? You?
Speaker 8 (22:50):
Yeah i'm an air traffic controller also a. PILOT i
haven't flown in like fifteen years, Though but it sounds
like you guys are talking about like two different. Things
established restricted areas that exist all the. Time or if
supreme leaders over up At, bedminster you know that's going
to be a different type of restricted. Area notems come into.
(23:11):
Play but do you all REMEMBER i don't, know five
six years ago when all the planes were grounded in
the system early one, morning.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Not because of, well, no they didn't shut down planes FOR.
Covid well yeah they, did actually, no but you're just
talking about like where everything got shut, down where it
was like the whole system crapped.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
Down it was it was the it was the first
time since nine to eleven that they grounded.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Every, flight and that would be.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Familiar that's because THE notem system went down because, old
antiquated doesn't. Work it's, needed it needs it needs to be,
upgraded to say the. Least SO i do think there
could be, uh you, know, yes it's incumbent on a
private pilot or any pilot to be aware of. This
but if the system's not working properly to deliver the information.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Properly, RIGHT i don't, Know hey what an?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Idea what?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That? Oh, yeah go, ahead go. Ahead it could be.
Speaker 9 (24:12):
A fighter jet flying in front of the path of
a smaller plane and making them fly through the jetwake
with like rockster plane throws them through turbulence like it
wouldn't necessarily like knock them out of the sky or.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Anything i'm a NEW.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I would think like for, example like, listen OBVIOUSLY i
CAN'T i can't equate what that's. Like but there are
times Like i've been on a jet ski and you
ride through somebody else's. Wake sometimes that that that that'll
get you a little air or. Something now GRANTED i
didn't fall off my jet, ski but that'll look that'll
get you a little that'll get your little.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
AIR i THINK i think it'll be times ten in
an airplane and plus the diarrhea.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Factor, yeah you know WHAT i don't.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
NEED i don't need that times ten fat When i'm
a dart going into the beltway like that?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Seems is that what it?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Is?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Though where you just create you create a wake of
a jet.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Wake Does kristen?
Speaker 8 (25:11):
KNOW i, mean that's my guess where's my?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
WELL i like that, Though thank, you, sir thank.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
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Speaker 3 (25:24):
Me he's never he's never had to, intercept has He?
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Speaker 6 (25:30):
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But Air force pilots could have been as short as
five to. Four so in The Air, force you're. Good
they said five four to six, five we're going with
the build.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Height and they even, Said i'll tell you what they didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Make they didn't make the six to five guy put
on the five four guys.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Uniform i'm cuffing my.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
PANTS i think there's have since been.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Relaxed and they even said there were plenty of people
below five four who applied for waivers and were.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Fine you left fighter pilot who's five to.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
One i'm just this maybe could have been there to
be flying.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
There, hey that's.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Restricted why do they have a tiny? Voice is that?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
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Speaker 3 (26:24):
Is, oh this will be. Good mike's call? Sign give
me a.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Hint does it relate To? Kristen, no because he had
it Before. Christen, no it has to do with, stature with,
stature tall, boy.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
STRETCH i mean long. Dog oh my, god we're on
the right.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Track, stretch tall.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Treat TO i don't.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Know oh that's, Good Diane, Redwood.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Longwood you guys just want to keep you.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Guessing, Well i'm not, well nobody's given me hot or.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
COLD i said you were pretty. Warm you're.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Hot, yeah But i've said a thousand.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Things you actually said the, word but there's one more
modifier ahead of.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It oh, duck.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Oh too.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Tall oh that's his. Nickname that's his call, Sign mike's
too told to be a. Pilot suck At, MIKE i
could be a. Pilot mike's too told to be a.
Pilot no, kidding.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You're sitting height to that plays a major part of.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It to my slouch. Clouch, also do they measure do they?
Measure my dicky. Doo i'm going to need to let
out the uniform a little.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Bit we call sign muffin topped your.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Bagel, Yes, oh it's just for. Ahead.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yes you fly underneath the target aircraft and then fly
up nearly vertical in front of.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It oh, dude that's like break checking somebody on a freeway.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
To ensure you have their. Attention, oh you got my.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Attention So i'm. Flying you get right up under me
as a fighter. Jet maybe you're probably. Wondering, no those
guys they fly this close to.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Each other and then at the stunt, pilots and they're
usually all stunt.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Pilots so here's here's here's the raliot being stove fighter fighter.
Pilot here comes here comes too, Tall he gets right
in and then he gases it and just cuts up
like that.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Just to be my.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Head that you.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
See, god you know it's.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
WEIRD i was just checking my notees at the. TIME
i was, Texting, wow, wow that would get your. Attention
that would get your, attention and like.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
That one color, said does that disturb the air enough
that it rocks your?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Plane, well we're gonna test my ability to prevent a
crash that it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
DOES i would lose control on the. Plane.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Wow, Man, wow it's almost easier not to be a.
Pilot but there's no way that happens. OFTEN i bet
if that happens five times a, year it's a. Lot
LIKE i think they said last year there were seventy two,
intercepts so just over one a.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Week there's no way more than five of. THOSE i were.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Headbutted be careful pulling that number out of your, ass
because you'll mess up the phone book you're sitting. On,
seriously could that be any more founded in? Nothing Diane.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Line Three Hi elliott in the, morning Going, hey what's
going on? Dude?
Speaker 10 (30:02):
Yeah SO i actually WHEN i was a, KID i
desperately wanted to be a fighter, pilot and in high
SCHOOL i got really. Tall and if your steamers are too,
long you can't eject to lose your, legs so they
won't actually let you fly most fighter.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
JETS i tell, you one of the things THAT i
love about myself so much AS i have short, FEMURS
i am good to.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
GO i am good to, go by the.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Way maybe this is my, secondary this is MY i
always Said i'd be a truck.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Driver Maybe i'll be a hook Maybe i'll be a fighter.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
Pilot, yeah just gotta have one of Those Barbara booster,
seeds you'd be.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Okay, YES i already flew on. One thank. You
There was a great story that came out about what happens,
and so the numbers are up over the last couple
of years, and they believe part of the I don't
want to say the problem, but one of the reasons
is there's just more people doing it, but more people
who have their private pilot's license, just their own license
to be able to fly, and that is accidentally flying
(00:24):
into restricted airspace. Dude, it is terrifying when you read
about it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
What happens.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yes, and so CHRISTI, will you do me a favor?
And they said, well, let me one thing at a time.
Will you find me somebody that's either a somebody who
has their private pilot's license and can fly. I'd love
to talk to somebody who flies fighter jets who's had
to go up and intercept a plane in restricted airspace
(00:56):
and listen, the best thing is.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
They get in there.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And they get the attention of the pilot and everything
works itself out and there's some stuff that goes on afterwards,
but that it's not somebody who's really violated airspace with
with a harmful intention that they accidentally fly into restricted airspace.
So if there's somebody anybody who has a private pilot's license.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Or somebody who flies fighter jets.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
That would be freaking awesome eight six six to Elliott
eight six six two three five five four six eight.
So they were talking about how number one, more and
more people have pilot's licenses. Now it continues to it
continues to go up. That's number one. Number two, the
areas that are considered restricted airspace have also gone up.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, there's more places, or they said.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
The other thing that'll happen is something may be not
on every day restrict like you can't fly over the
White House at any point it's restricted airspace. But they
one of the things they point out is that if
if the president goes to one of his golf courses,
that becomes restricted airspace. So you may be able to
(02:12):
fly over it any other day, but when he's there,
then it becomes restricted airspace. And a lot of times
like when the when the I don't know what it is,
but when your when your machines or your computers on
your plane, they don't update when you turn the plane on,
so you may not even know it's restricted airspace, so
(02:34):
you just fly over it accidentally because two days ago
you flew over it.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
And everything was fine, and there's no way to know
say again, and there's no indication.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
If if the if the systems don't talk to each other.
It sounds like when you turn your systems on that
there should be it should kick it immediately, you know,
like if you turn ways on, like ways will tell you, oh,
don't go this way, go that.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Way, and it picks stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But sometimes I'll like, sometimes I'll take Clara Barton and
it'll want me to exit Clara Barton. I'm like, why
would I do that? I'm there's no traffic, it's not
blocked off. It's because my ways hasn't updated. Or every
so often you'll be driving it'll go like, oh crash
has happened.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Go this way so it'll update.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, sometimes the flight equipment doesn't update, so you have
no idea that whether it's the like one of the
ones they pointed out where there used to be a
lot of problems, Trump doesn't go to Camp David anymore,
or doesn't really go at all right, where many other
presidents did. Now Camp David is restricted airspace. It gets
(03:41):
bigger if it's being occupied. So he said there used
to be used to get them a lot around like
Thermont in that area from people that were flying them,
like I had no idea, Like my equipment didn't come
on and say that I was in restricted airspace, so
I didn't know. So a lot of times it's totally biack,
(04:01):
which is why all the fighter pilots say, every time
they fly up next to somebody, the pilot has a
look on their face of what the f is going on?
And they said, sometimes the pilots don't understand and they
think that it's the fighter pilot's jacking with them, so
they'll look at them and go what or they'll flip
(04:23):
them off because they just think it's the fighter pilots
screwing with them.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
When you flew out of Frederick, yes I did. I
don't remember, and if you told us, I'm sorry. I
also was afraid to go up with you, so I
wasn't a part of it. But did you guys have
to have a conversation about Camp David?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Oh, so you don't know that from that experience.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
No, I just know that from reading.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Did you guys discuss restricted airspace?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I wasn't in charge of where we were going.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Because you're not that far from Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
No, no, you're very close.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But I wonder if you started to veer that way,
they would have told you.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Okay, keep in mind, I also I flew the plane once.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
We were like we were over a quarry when I
flew the plane, but getting to there.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
No, I was not in charge of where we were.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
If we flew over restricted airspace, that was on the
That was on the AOPA pilot, not on me.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Now did your son learn about that when he went
up recently?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
No, that was on Stove. Stove knows where to fly.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
By the way, if anybody's gonna accidentally hit restricted airspace.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's gonna be Stove.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But again, for some of these guys, it's not even
I don't want to say it's not their fault, but
it's not their fault. It's just the two systems don't
talk to each other, or it doesn't the if you will,
the app doesn't update like that. So Stove could be
flying over Bedminster golf Course and the next thing you know,
Stove's got a couple fighter pilots right.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Up his ass.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Wow, I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That has got to be the scariest moment ever.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
They said that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So they talked to a couple of fighter pilots, and
I guess the way that it works is, once a
plane hits restricted airspace, they go. I mean that we
know they go, and normally, I believe the normal protocol,
and then I'll grab a bunch of people are on hold.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I believe the normal protocol.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
From what I read was two fighter pilots will scramble.
One goes right for the plane, the other one lags
back a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So the one that goes right for the plane will
get up next to the.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Small little private plane, which I imagine, like you're listen, I
really know nothing about small private planes, but I can
tell you they're not a billion dollars like fighter jets.
And I would bet when you see a fighter jet
pull up next to you, you're like.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Oh my god, well you could probably also hear it coming.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But they said no, they said, in some cases, you
don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So like sometimes they have to fire flares to get
your attention.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Jesus, are you're sewing that zone.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But there's this whole flipping of the wings thing that
you have to do, so like the fighter pilot will
make eye contact with you, hopefully you make eye contact
with him.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
If not, the flares will get your attention.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Which I think are missiles.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So I guess as you're flying, they say that you
almost have to tip your wing twice, where it's almost
like the sign.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Of like some sort of acknowledgement.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Now, if I were flying the if, I'm like, sorry,
I screwed up.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yes, could you imagine flying the private plane. I'm already scared.
I just made the biggest turd of my life in
my pants because there's a fighter jet out of me,
and I have to be calm enough to tip my wings.
I'm afraid i'd barrel roll the plane. I would, I
would be terrified.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
But immediately after that, you have to make the tightest
you turn possible.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You'll I'll fly with you and escort you to where
we're going.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
They decide.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Now that part I don't know. I just know they
go with you. Now, remember you got a plane about
a mile two miles, I can't remember how far back,
but you got that second fighter jet. Because they said
sometimes pilots, the private pilots, they freak out and they're like,
oh crap, there's a fighter jet. I better go this way.
(08:30):
We call that the inadvertent flea. And that's where you
take off. Well, the next thing, you know, if.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
You're getting even further into the restriction, Guy, you.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Got a fighter jet who's now banking and coming at you.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
And I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The rear view mirror looks like, but I bet when
that fighter jet creeps up your ass real quick, woo f.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
That's gotta be rough.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Does that second one also have air to air missiles?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I guarantee you that second one can shoot you down,
no question, no question. Then they they escort you back
to wherever you're landing. I don't know where you go,
little smaller airport.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
If you flew over restricted airspace in DC, they may
just make you land at National just to get you
on the ground. I have no idea. Wait, I don't
know if I'm flying all the way out to Manassas.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
That's true, then we're gonna they're yours, your honor.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Then you're gonna do some question and answer and apparently
and rightfully so I get it, they climb up your ass.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I totally understand that, Like, you should cancel your plans.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Oh you're gonna be late.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, I know that you thought you were saving time
by flying yourself You're gonna be a little late.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Where am I going line?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
It's not quick?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Hi Elliot in the morning.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Hey, good morning Joe from hart Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Hey Joe, how are you good?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Good? Love your show?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Hey? Thank you? Have you are you? Do you have
a pilot license?
Speaker 5 (10:06):
I do, and I was also a naval aviator for decades,
and then I was a test pilot with the Naval
Aviation I have never done interceps though, of civilian aircraft.
That's more like an Air National Guard mission.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But do they But they go up in fighters though, right.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Oh, yeah, right, I'm guessing most of them would be
F sixteens and in Air National Guard units is what
you usually hear.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So and I don't I assume their only job isn't
to sit in the cockpit and wait to be launched,
but maybe it is.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
It's rare. You sit in the cockpit and the carrier
we sit on the cockpit. But you have different ready levels,
and I would assume their ready level is going to
be hanging out in the ready room with a jet
on the flight line ready to launch.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Right, So yeah, no, because I mean, listen, ninety.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Of the time it's going to be my kid's friend
stove who didn't realize I can't fly over this golf
course versus somebody's meeting some harmful intent and is flying
into intentionally into restricted airspace.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So yes, but you still want them to be ready.
I totally understand that.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
I think the majority of them are going to be
that that private pilot wasn't where he thought he was
because most of the restricted airspace. Of course, you're going
to have a temporary restricted airspace, but most of the
restricted airspace you're going to know about, and if you
do your due diligence, you know that. The idea is,
(11:51):
you know, just because you can buy an airplane, like
you know, nothing against medical doctors, but you know the
doctors out there is the old stereotype buys an airplane.
Most people don't understand airspace classification in detail, and the
majority of them just stay away from all their MOA's,
(12:14):
the military operating areas and the restricted airspace. But yes,
once you bust a restricted airspace, it's a serious interaction,
without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And here they said they attributed a lot of it
to a flight planning program failing to refresh with the
latest warnings.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So it's almost like the app does an update.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah, that could be part of it. To what it is,
that's an over reliance on the apps that you can
download on your phone that are navigational apps today that
you still are required to. You know, there's notice to
airmen of any temporary restricted airspaces. The other restricted airspaces
are all clearly marked. So it's you usually someone thinking
(13:01):
they're skirting it and they don't know exactly where they are,
which is going to be you know, a recreational private pilot, right.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And when you say skirting it, do you mean like
like if if Bedminster golf Course or any of any
of Trump's golf courses and he was he was there golfing.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
That skirted is like I'm just going to fly es
around the.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Outside, Yeah, exactly. Usually what happens is those guys don't
have instrument ratings, so they get pushed further say yeah,
I always followed that ninety five down or something like that,
Oh I got you right, right right, And then they
have to stay certain cloud clearances and there's clouds, so
(13:41):
it pushes them over a little further than they would
normally be, is it. So you know, just like anything
in life, it's the Domino stack. So the clouds push
them off their normal route. Next thing they know, they're over,
but they don't think they are as far as they are,
and some of their ground references are obscured, and now
they've busted restricted air I.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Got youa very informational I appreciate it. Thank you, my friend,
Thank you, sir. Absolutely hey, you got to talk to
you later. I still can't imagine. I can't imagine sitting
in there and watching a fighter jet pull up next
to you.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Of course not and he sort of gave you the
reasons it may happen. While at the same time, I
feel like the sentiment is being shared online suggesting there's
no excuse like that the notice to airman that.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
He reference, I don't know. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
A bunch of people have brought that up. It's n otams.
They're saying, you should absolutely know, like there's no reason
you are not aware that it's restricted airspace.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
But would you know if it's not always restricted. It's like,
for example, it seems like you should I don't. Well,
I don't have a pilot's license, but I I know
I can't fly over the White House. I know I
can't fly over the Pentagon. Those are the two things
(15:06):
I no, But like I would imagine I can't fly
over the CIA building.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
From Mandy. Notice to airmen are put up for the
restricted areas and then disseminated to airspace users. They absolutely know.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
But what is like everybody keeps saying notice to airman?
What is a notice to airmen?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And are we It's not like you're up in the
sky and all of a sudden, it's like like a
like a yellow triangle pops up and it's like, well,
don't fly over that.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
You have no idea? Where Like I don't know what
that is. I don't know what a notice to airman is.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
But first, because it's written as NTAM, is it notem like?
Are we not sounding cool? Because we've got the lingo off?
Like should Bagel know about this?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
You know?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Not them? Not them? There's no excuse, no them? My friend?
Am I going to seven? Hi Ellie at the morning?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Hey man? How are you?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I am doing great? Thank you? What can I do
for you?
Speaker 5 (16:08):
So you got?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Oh damn it? Are you there? Are you there?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
All right?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Hold on, I'll see if I can catch you. I'll
see if I can catch you.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Note them driving around Kaktokdin Mountain Park.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Hi Ellie at the morning.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Hey, good morning, this is Camden from Fairfax.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Hey, how are you are you? You're a pilot.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
I'm a pilot, yeah, and also a flight instructor out
of a flying club out of Manassas.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Oh, very good, nice to talk to you.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
You've never been intercepted, have you?
Speaker 7 (16:39):
No, I've never been intercepted. I'm not a fire pilot.
But it is something that before someone gets their private
pilot license, they're expected to know the interception procedures and
they're definitely expected to know how to stay out of
restricted airspace. So there's kind of two buckets to this.
So you have normal charted restricted airspace, it's on the
aviation charts. It's the air all the time. You know
(17:00):
to stay away from it. Where some of these pilots
are getting into trouble is they're not doing their proper
pre flight briefing. And that's where, as Tyler mentioned, is
pronounced nodems notice to airmen. That's where they miss that.
It's like a text notification. The other problem with it
is there's so many notems that can come out everything
from a cell phone tower that has the lights not
(17:22):
working correctly, like the notem will be issued for that.
So sometimes the restricted airspace nodems, the temporary flight restrictions
can be just lost in the white noise of all
the other nodems and the pilots just don't read.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
It, so I could live.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So is that is that a flaw in the system
or is that a flaw in the pilot.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
It's a little of both. So modern day the modern
day system, they're trying to make it more user friendly,
and there's a lot of flight apps that will visualize
the node of information, so you can, for example, on
your iPad, rather than having a paper chart, it will
show you visually where the temporary flight is. So flight
restriction is so like you guys mentioned the golf courses
(18:04):
for the presidential temporary flight restrictions, those can pop up
and you know, relatively short notice, within twelve, twelve or
twenty four hours, So if a pilot hasn't done their
pre flight, they might miss that. Just fly right through it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Is it in like you said, like twelve to twenty
four hours. So it's not possible that I'm taking off
out of Manassas and then all of a sudden, like
two seconds later, as I'm heading down the runway, it's
like he's at a golf course and uh, restricted airspace.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I wouldn't even have time to know.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Usually, I mean it can be shorter than the twelve
hour window, but it's not going to be. I mean
it takes time to process it. So if you've done
your pre flight planning within the previous.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Hour or so before you take off, you.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Should be catching any of the temporary flight restrictions that
are going into effect.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I gotcha.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And then, like you the other thing you said, like
I if there's a cell phone tower where the lights
are off, understand why a pilot would need to be
told that, right, I mean you can't see the red
light flashing or whatever it is, but that doesn't mean
I can't fly near it.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
No, So that my example of that is just there
can be so many notems they're issued, from everything from
the tower lights being out to a runway light that's broken,
to then you know the more serious ones like the
temperate flight restrictions that pilots aren't reading through the pre
flight information careful, gotcha. Over the more important ones.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Right, So I could have I could have, like just
using a regular person's phone, I could have three hundred
text messages and be like, oh, I guess.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I missed one. Yeah, exactly, God, I hope.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I missed the light out on the runway one.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Well, and allie, And if you ever do get an intercepted,
don't worry. I don't know if you'll be able to
see over the window to actually see them without your
booster sipt.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, thank you, sir, thank you, recall man.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Fantastic listening, yes to you. Somebody is wondering that would
be terrifying if you read about the head butt. What
is the head But I have no idea head butt
and I can't find it. It's pulling up a lot
of different results.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
The head butt.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Now, somebody did call who used to be stationed at
Camp David and said, regular occurrence.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
What is the head butt?
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Oh, here we go. H Air force pilots perform headbut
aerial intercept. But what is the maneuver.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
There's no way they bump a plane. There's no way.
There's no way.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
We need someone who knows it, doesn't explain it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Okay, in real life, if I head butt you. I
head butt you like this. Yeah, I'm hitting you with
my head.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
There is no way Goose.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Maverick is flying up behind me and bumping the rear
end of my plane.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Now this right, I refers to it as a standard procedure,
so it doesn't seem maybe too extreme, although you know.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
How much diarrhea they would have to clean out of
the plane if a fighter pilot bumped me from behind.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
They're not bumping you, Okay, that's what is aheadbutt. We
don't know it's gonna it's figurative in some way.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Do they fly at you?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I don't know, because again, that's a lot of so
much diarrhea on the canopy. Also, if I were the
fighter pilot and I was flying directly towards the plane,
that's a weird game of chickens. As if you both
go to the same direction, there's a problem. Thinking back,
(21:45):
don't you think it'd be great to be a fighter.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Pilot because you think you'd be well suited for that role.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No, I know I'm not tall enough to be a
fighter pilot.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I feel like they told me that when I flew
with the Angels.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I would think you would have to be on the
smaller side to fit in.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Some of those guys are like six' five and made
are the fighter? Pilots, yes they're, tall they are good.
Looking remember The, okay The Blue angels guys told me
they hadn't paid for a drink since the day they
Became Blue.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Angels if you're a if you're and.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Again it probably works For, Thunderbirds Blue Angel any fighter,
PILOT i bet you never paid for a beer and
you've never heard the word. No but, yeah fighter pilots are, Tall,
DAN i can't see over the dashboard of a.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Plane, Hi elliot in the.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Morning, hey how's it? Going?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Hey who's This? Michael, Yes? Michael what CAN i do for? You?
Speaker 8 (22:50):
Yeah i'm an air traffic controller also a. PILOT i
haven't flown in like fifteen years, Though but it sounds
like you guys are talking about like two different. Things
established restricted areas that exist all the. Time or if
supreme leaders over up At, bedminster you know that's going
to be a different type of restricted. Area notems come into.
(23:11):
Play but do you all REMEMBER i don't, know five
six years ago when all the planes were grounded in
the system early one, morning.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Not because of, well, no they didn't shut down planes FOR.
Covid well yeah they, did actually, no but you're just
talking about like where everything got shut, down where it
was like the whole system crapped.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
Down it was it was the it was the first
time since nine to eleven that they grounded.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Every, flight and that would be.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Familiar that's because THE notem system went down because, old
antiquated doesn't. Work it's, needed it needs it needs to be,
upgraded to say the. Least SO i do think there
could be, uh you, know, yes it's incumbent on a
private pilot or any pilot to be aware of. This
but if the system's not working properly to deliver the information.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Properly, RIGHT i don't, Know hey what an?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Idea what?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That? Oh, yeah go, ahead go. Ahead it could be.
Speaker 9 (24:12):
A fighter jet flying in front of the path of
a smaller plane and making them fly through the jetwake
with like rockster plane throws them through turbulence like it
wouldn't necessarily like knock them out of the sky or.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Anything i'm a NEW.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I would think like for, example like, listen OBVIOUSLY i
CAN'T i can't equate what that's. Like but there are
times Like i've been on a jet ski and you
ride through somebody else's. Wake sometimes that that that that'll
get you a little air or. Something now GRANTED i
didn't fall off my jet, ski but that'll look that'll
get you a little that'll get your little.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
AIR i THINK i think it'll be times ten in
an airplane and plus the diarrhea.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Factor, yeah you know WHAT i don't.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
NEED i don't need that times ten fat When i'm
a dart going into the beltway like that?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Seems is that what it?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Is?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Though where you just create you create a wake of
a jet.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Wake Does kristen?
Speaker 8 (25:11):
KNOW i, mean that's my guess where's my?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
WELL i like that, Though thank, you, sir thank.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
You he's what he's listening secret the text.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Me he's never he's never had to, intercept has He?
No by the, Way mike is taller than.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Me by the, way previous height requirements different by. Branch
But Air force pilots could have been as short as
five to. Four so in The Air, force you're. Good
they said five four to six, five we're going with
the build.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Height and they even, Said i'll tell you what they didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Make they didn't make the six to five guy put
on the five four guys.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Uniform i'm cuffing my.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
PANTS i think there's have since been.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Relaxed and they even said there were plenty of people
below five four who applied for waivers and were.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Fine you left fighter pilot who's five to.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
One i'm just this maybe could have been there to
be flying.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
There, hey that's.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Restricted why do they have a tiny? Voice is that?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Private or is? That CAN i share that what you just?
Said did we know What mike's call sign?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Is, oh this will be. Good mike's call? Sign give
me a.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Hint does it relate To? Kristen, no because he had
it Before. Christen, no it has to do with, stature with,
stature tall, boy.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
STRETCH i mean long. Dog oh my, god we're on
the right.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Track, stretch tall.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Treat TO i don't.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Know oh that's, Good Diane, Redwood.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Longwood you guys just want to keep you.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Guessing, Well i'm not, well nobody's given me hot or.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
COLD i said you were pretty. Warm you're.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Hot, yeah But i've said a thousand.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Things you actually said the, word but there's one more
modifier ahead of.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It oh, duck.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Oh too.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Tall oh that's his. Nickname that's his call, Sign mike's
too told to be a. Pilot suck At, MIKE i
could be a. Pilot mike's too told to be a.
Pilot no, kidding.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You're sitting height to that plays a major part of.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It to my slouch. Clouch, also do they measure do they?
Measure my dicky. Doo i'm going to need to let
out the uniform a little.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Bit we call sign muffin topped your.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Bagel, Yes, oh it's just for. Ahead.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yes you fly underneath the target aircraft and then fly
up nearly vertical in front of.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It oh, dude that's like break checking somebody on a freeway.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
To ensure you have their. Attention, oh you got my.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Attention So i'm. Flying you get right up under me
as a fighter. Jet maybe you're probably. Wondering, no those
guys they fly this close to.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Each other and then at the stunt, pilots and they're
usually all stunt.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Pilots so here's here's here's the raliot being stove fighter fighter.
Pilot here comes here comes too, Tall he gets right
in and then he gases it and just cuts up
like that.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Just to be my.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Head that you.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
See, god you know it's.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
WEIRD i was just checking my notees at the. TIME
i was, Texting, wow, wow that would get your. Attention
that would get your, attention and like.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
That one color, said does that disturb the air enough
that it rocks your?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Plane, well we're gonna test my ability to prevent a
crash that it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
DOES i would lose control on the. Plane.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Wow, Man, wow it's almost easier not to be a.
Pilot but there's no way that happens. OFTEN i bet
if that happens five times a, year it's a. Lot
LIKE i think they said last year there were seventy two,
intercepts so just over one a.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Week there's no way more than five of. THOSE i were.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Headbutted be careful pulling that number out of your, ass
because you'll mess up the phone book you're sitting. On,
seriously could that be any more founded in? Nothing Diane.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Line Three Hi elliott in the, morning Going, hey what's
going on? Dude?
Speaker 10 (30:02):
Yeah SO i actually WHEN i was a, KID i
desperately wanted to be a fighter, pilot and in high
SCHOOL i got really. Tall and if your steamers are too,
long you can't eject to lose your, legs so they
won't actually let you fly most fighter.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
JETS i tell, you one of the things THAT i
love about myself so much AS i have short, FEMURS
i am good to.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
GO i am good to, go by the.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Way maybe this is my, secondary this is MY i
always Said i'd be a truck.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Driver Maybe i'll be a hook Maybe i'll be a fighter.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
Pilot, yeah just gotta have one of Those Barbara booster,
seeds you'd be.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Okay, YES i already flew on. One thank. You
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