EITM: America's Oldest Organ Donor 6/23/24

And possibly the world!

Episode Transcript

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Josh made me think of something yesterday? Yes, made you think of something?
Yeah? And I'll give Josh alittle bit of credit for this,
is we like Oregon. Donation comesup from time to time. And I
don't know if anybody knows this ornot, but Josh at one point donated
a kidney to his sister, andso whenever I see something donor related,

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I might think of Josh. Oh, so something made you think of Josh?
Yeah, Okay, you said itbackwards. Oh no, Josh didn't
make me think of something. YeahNo, no, No, something I
saw made me think of Josh,got it? So there was a guy
he is I'm looking to see wherehe is from. I know how old
he is. Saint Louis, homeof Cardinals, No Bigsie, He's from

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Saint Lewis. So this guy isout of Saint Louis, right, ninety
eight year old man. He justdonated his liver to somebody. Whoh that
was safe and like signed off.Well they didn't just take it and throw
it in down and go, well, let's hope. No, But I
mean I'm surprised, like they don'twant older people like that under anesthesia?

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Yeah, any sort of operation yeah, okay. Can I ask a question,
do you donate like a liver?This is horrible? Did he die?
And that's how they got the lyric? Can you donate a liver if
you're alive? Can't you donate partof a liver? Lived a lifetime of

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service? Nope? He died?Got it? Oh? Okay, now
it makes sense he died. Yeah, but okay, Still you can remove
a portion of a healthy liver froma living person. Oh not in this
case. They didn't. Okay,Well, that's now that you've read the
article. The well, no,I read the whole article. I just
didn't remember it. Died. He'dactually fought in both WW two and the

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Korean Thank you sir, But he'sstill okay? Can we not get hung
up on whether he was dead oralive. It sounds like you're going to
take issue with whatever claim is madeby this article. Oh I don't know
that I take issue with it.I'm weirded out by it. A ninety
eight year old man's liver was donated. He is now believed to be the

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oldest American organ donor ever. Hisliver went to a seventy two year old
good is But is there an agecutoff for organs, apparently not if this
guy was healthy. If you wouldhave told me, if you would have
asked me, can you donate atninety eight, wouldn't you have said no?

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I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn'tthink they'd want anything of mine at
ninety eight. And then even ifyou pushed back, I would be convinced
you were still wrong. Yes,how long? Like this woman that got
his liver is seventy two. Ifshe lives to his age, that's twenty

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more years. Yeah, twenty eight, almost thirty more years. You're gonna
tell me a liver can live toone hundred and thirty. So it sounds
like, just as you've said,would driver's licenses, how they need to
automatically be taken away? You'd alsolike organ donor at some point to come
off of licenses. Well no,no, but at what point? Like

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again, his liver, if shelives to his age, that liver's going
to be one hundred and thirty yearsold? Right? How long? How
old can organs live? Don't tellme forever? No old people die again
if they If the hospitals signed offon it, they must feel pretty confident

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in doing the procedure or else theywouldn't have I agree. Oh no,
no, I agree with that.I don't think they were like, hey,
no one's looking. No, Idon't think it was like that.
I think obviously they did it knowingthat what they were doing. But I
see what you're saying, because youmay think, well, this guy,
perhaps for his age, was extremelyhealthy. But when you look at the
long term, when that healthy,you do start to think about, okay,

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if you live to ninety eight,okay, well he won that healthy.
He just died. But when youthink of well, wait a second,
what's the life of a liver,that's an interesting, yes, perspective
on it, like for example,and this is what made me think of
Josh. Right, So, Josh'skidney that he donated to his sister,
which is which is fantastic, goodon Josh. How long? Like how

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long? How long will a kidneylive? Hasn't he told us before?
It's think twenty fifteen to twenty Nono, no, no, no,
no, no, no, nono no, that's not what I'm asking.
That's not what I'm asking. TheYes, they believe it'll last in
his sister for fifteen to twenty years, right, And then they'll take Josh's
second kidney, and that'll give heranother fifteen to twenty years, and finally

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everybody's dreams will get answered. Stop. No, no, But what I'm
saying is, let's pretend that Josh'ssister needed the kidney later in life,
and Josh is now ninety yes,right, what and even if he died,
which I'm not wishing that on him, I'm just saying he's ninety and
it's going to live another twenty years. Will a kidney live to be one

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hundred and ten one hundred and twentyyears old? That is, I think
a fantastic question, and one we'venever addressed for as much as Josh begs
us to talk about organ donation,right and yeah, rightfully, so it
saves people's lives. But is ita matter of the woman's condition? What

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do you mean? Would she essentiallyalso have been deaf here and like it
was the last ditch you something consideredas a patient for one of these experimental
animal organs, Like she was sobad off she's going to get this,
which really shouldn't go to either ayounger. Oh you know what, I
don't know the answer to that.Haitian or somebody who may live well into

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their nineties. My other question isthis, can you can you multi use
the liver? What does that mean? So like if if if she ends
up rejecting it? No, no, no, no, no, let's
say let's say let's say, andthis is a horrible thing to say.

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Let's say she dies in five years. Clearly they didn't give her a liver,
thinking in five years you're done,though, this will just kind of
get you through. She dies infive years, can they take that liver
and now donate it to someone else? Another great question like how many?
How many runs around the track?Do I get with? Like? I

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want to use another example, butI feel horrible saying it that it involves
you it does? No, No, but god no, I can't even
bring myself to say it. Yeah, so how about you? It just
I'll stick with this lady. Yeah? Can they can they? Can they
run it back again? Does itdepend on which organ it is? I

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don't know because with Joshua it waskidney, right, I believe, so
I'd have to double check. Comeon, Kristen, smile. No,
But could they can they run itback for a third person? I don't
know? Diane di you, Idon't know. I would tend to think
not, but why? But youwould have also said that about can a
ninety eight year old give his Iwould have said, you know, in

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defense of the donor? They saidhe was he doesn't need any defense.
No, no, but I mean, but you were like, well,
he couldn't have been that healthy.He fell and injured his head. That
was the injury that led to hisdeath. Other than that, he was
in phenomenal shape as a ninety eightyear old, which is the reason they

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posted the idea to his family oflike would he would you guys be the
hospital asked, can we have yourliver? Swelling around his brain could not
be healed and is a family?I'm just telling you. As the family
was preparing to say goodbye, thestaffers said, would you consider donating his
liver? Diane? What do commentsand the article itself have in common?

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Disabled? You never read it?Oh don't read them? Oh printam just
the headlines? Elliet? He fell? Yes, why does it matter how
he died? Because they said hewas in robust health until he suffered his
fall while he was out picking upstorm debris. Okay, not every ninety

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eight year old's out doing that,so he was in great shape. Okay,
you know there's more than one articleto every story. Well, my
mind just seems to be thorough.Orville lived a lifetime of service, was
a veteran of WW two in Korea. That's what I have. I don't
have that he bunked his head whilehe was out picking up storm debris.
I even had to add to mystory that Bigsie's from Saint Louis. I

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had him in a word for thecolumn. Wait say again, Oh yes,
so yeah, I don't have.I didn't know how he died.
Knowing their dad's nature, always thefirst to check in on others, always
at the doorstep of a needy neighbor. The siblings did not hesitate, right,
And that's what I'm going to sayabout Josh one day. What a

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hero many times over. Yeah,Josh giving one more gift, No this
guy, Yes, absolutely, anybodywho donates an organ is a hero.
Whether you guys want to look downthe hall and admit that to yourselves or
not, Josh is a hero.Yeah, we did the whole hashtag campaign
for him. Remember no mine too. Unless it was on a big whiteboard,

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I don't remember it. Hi Elliottin the morning. Hey Elliott,
Hey class, how are you Hey? I'm doing great, how are you
good? Very very good. Soquick story about my father. He was
a police officer in Montgomery County andin January or excuse me, June of
nineteen eighty three, he was crushedbetween two pars during the course of traffic.

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Stuff out underknown to us twenty plusyears later. The blood transfusion at
the hospital is what gave him hadthe Titus sea right and he developed liver
disease because of it. So heultimately retired in nineteen eighty four. But
again we didn't find that out untilfifteen, twenty years later. So because

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of the liver disease, he foughtit. But I obviously contested and I
was going to donate half of myliver to him. I had all the
testing done. The surgery was scheduledfor February of twenty twelve, but he
ultimately didn't survive. He passed awayin January of twenty twelve. But a

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quick story about the liver donation.Your liver regenerates after approximately ninety days,
so my liver would have regenerated ninedays. His liver would have regenerated after
ninety days and back then in twentytwelve, it would have given him approximately
another fifteen to twenty years of life. So is the liver would have been

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obviously growted because of the heppatitis.Again, so the So nobody should ever
Hey, thank you, my friend, sorry about that story. Nobody should
ever die of liver disease. Yes, in a perfect world. Fill in
the blank and then say no,no, But I'm saying if it regenerates.

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Let's say my livers are just shot. My liver is shot, right,
cut yours in half, throw itin there. Mineill grow to full.
Yours will be full. Diane getssick, chop her liver out,
give her half of mind. Mygood half will grow back. And then
she gets one who grows back.Nobody should ever have a liver problem in
this utopia. We're constantly being monitoredand seeking out doctor's appointments, and we

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feel like something is off or gettingour vitals and our bloodscheck. I mean,
people just don't go for help,and then you also need somebody to
know not to help complications from thatliver disease. Okay, well I know
what I mean. No, no, but you know What I mean is,

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so is is liver the only onethat that that you could donate over
and over and over again. No, I'm saying you can do kidneys,
So Josh can donate. So Josh'ssister could donate Josh's kidney to somebody else.
It says it's quite rare, butit can be done. What about
heart? Do you have that oneDiane? I don't. If my heart

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goes to Diane and then Diane diesnot from a heart problem, she fell
while picking up storm debris, couldthey move that heart to someone else?
What about my skin? I seea story where her heart transplant with six
essful twice Wow, a reuse ofa previously transplanted heart for how long?
Like? How long did the heartlive? I'm so fascinated by how long

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an Oregon can live. It wasin the new patient at the time of
this report for at least two years. It does not say how long the
first recipient had it. Would youwant a third great heart if you're on
one of these lists, absolutely,yeah, you're probably right. Yeah.

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That's why all these animal cases,and unfortunately they have not had the long
term success that they're looking for,but they've learned a lot from exactly.
No that I mean, listen,you got to you got to crawl.
Yeah, Josh crawled so we couldrun. It's away away, He's what's

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my kid? I looked it up. The hashtag was hashtag my kid in
the Hero. Yeah, solutely rememberthe artwork. When he came in and
took three Jersey Mike sandwiches this morning, I thought, you know what,
here's a guy who's taking care ofhimself. Oh yeah, exactly. Trophy
number one. Hi Elliott the morning. Ell yeah, Donna, Yeah,

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it's donnah. Hey, what's goingon? Not a whole lot. My
husband attempted to donate a portion ofhis liver about two thousand and eight or
so, and he had made itall the way on to the operating table
he was under and cut open,and then they looked in and he had
had scar tissue from previous surgery,and they closed him back up and the

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guy didn't get the portion of theliver. Oh god, I know.
Good thing is he ended up gettingsix weeks off with pay, so that
was nice. He ended up gettinga cadaver liver, and he, as
far as I know, he mightstill be alive. Probably look into that,

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but Yeah, I know he gota cadaver liver and he was definitely
doing well. But he mightn't stillhave a scar lit old scar on his
valley from it. But I knowhim, he would have. He you
know, he would have tried todo it again if he could. But
the whole thing about doing it twice, that's amazing to me. I'm sitting
there listening and I'm like, Ihad no idea you could donate a previously
donated That's like everybody's like, thatshow's stupid. Look how much goddamn information

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you learn on this show. Yeah, it's like a used car. You
just keep selling it, you know, But how long? At some point
engines break at? What? Howlong do organs last if it were healthy?
How long does an organ it wasa Toyota, Toyota or a Honda,
you could go, you could goforever with good oil changes. Good

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point. I'm curious about eyes aswell. Yeah, no, that's a
good one. Hey, Donnie,can I ask you? Can I ask
you? What? Can I askyou? A serious question? Sure?
Maybe? Yeah? The what doeswhat does your husband have? It's called

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ib M disease and the easy wayto remember, at least for you,
guys. Is that Peter Frampton hasit. It's called inclusion body miocytis.
Does that prevent like when you saidhe was going to donate his his years
in between Oh yeah, no,no years between the two. I'm just

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saying now, like, now,would that does that prevent him from being
a I mean, obviously this yourhusband is somebody. He's a hero,
he was ready to be a donor. He's a good guy, he's a
really good guy. Well, Iwould hope you'd know. I don't know
if it would prevent him. Iwould think they would probably want to look
at somebody else just because he hasa little smaller underlying issues now circulation type

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things that may prevent him from donatingnow because he's in a wheelchair full time.
Very good. I appreciate it.Thank you, Donna. I love
you to mean it fascinating to methough, And again, ninety eight year
old Liver, I guess you'd takeit. I mean like at that point,

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you're a beggar, not a chooserOrville. Thank you for all you've
done. Okay, he's not hearingyou. But he wasn't a cadaver,
Liver, Yeah he was. No. I think they were keeping him alive.
Oh, but he's still dead.Fought for this country most yes,
absolutely, Wait, he's a heroon many fronts, but he was still

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dead. I think he was braindead, right, Oh yeah, Okay,
Like when I have to finally getthe surgery for my gums that are
regressing, and I get the cadavergums, I'm not getting Orville's gums.

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Well, you're not getting his teeth. Wait, so you can get cadaver
gums. I don't want that.I haven't explained to me quite a bit
how that graph will work, becauseI'm not stopping the recession. Dude,
you will lick around like you'll havea piece of food calling and be like
I got and you're licking a deadman's gums, like I know. I

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also hear the person say no,it's mine, no, but googar,
like if I had a dead person'sheart or liver, like, I'm not
doing anything with it. I mean, I'm living with it, obviously.
And I cracked my tooth. Theyhad to use cadaver like marrow in my
mouth so the tooth would fuse toit. But you can't lick it if

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they put cadaver gums in his mouthhe's licking his dead man. Sure it's
gum. Yeah, I mean ashot in gum. Here look it's a
wait, so it is a deadman's gums in your mouth. It looks
like when you pull up the photos, looks like Frankenstein's monster with the stitch
is like stitching and and what's uhwait, but you don't have that now,

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No, I'm gonna get it.When are you getting it? When
the pain is that unbearable, becauseit gets to a level where it's like,
okay, now it's time. Butyeah, no, it's it's just
it looks like you have silly puttypush push pushed against your existing What happens
if you don't what happens if youdon't get it? The sensitivity will kill

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me? Oh really so it's thatbad? Oh? Will you be able
to feel like yeah, it's likeadding layers. I may sound different.
Did you hear that? Hello?Not from there, just from like what
if it turns you like full bro, it's not going to give me the

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voice of the donor. You don'tknow that. It's just gonna gumb What
if he was a dipper and allyou want to do is do now?
Oh, yes, you're getting hit. You're getting his gums and his riz
Wait where are you going? Now? I'm gonna let Jersey Mike's demonstrate with

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a cold cut. Oh you're gonnatake some more todella and slap it on
the side of your gust. It'slike when they were trying to help Joey
who claimed he was a lost referencecircumcised. So I'm taking here we go.
I got the meat here, here'shere's the gum, and they're just
gonna put it up. It's uphere right, Oh like a zin a

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little a little bit of lettuce inmy ghost that not that was his favorite
thing. We left it there.Let us right here, bro ready?
So do I shot a little different? He's not like Kristen. What if

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every day I had to put mygums in like you mean dentures? No
either? Five? Wait, sodo you know you're getting that eventually?
Oh yeah, yeah, it's justit's just a part of that was an
onion. I choked to death inmy own gums. Oh myre up for

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availability? Where am I going?Lying Jersey mics? Now I'm eating my
gums? Hi Elliott in the morning, Hey, I have have cadaver gums?
What did you used to sound likea woman. Wait? Do you
know who they came from? No? No, I don't know where they

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came from. I feel like they'renot even I and don't quote me on
this, but I feel like it'snot even. I feel like it's uh,
I feel like it's pig, pigcadaver? Right, you want the
wait, Tyler, is it cadaver? Is it? Is it animal cadaver?
Uh? They're just always referred tome as cadaver. They're human.

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You would refer to a pig asa cadaver. You refer to it as
a pig. Hey, what isthe Can you feel them? No?
No, It's like I whenever Ihad it done, I like I couldn't
even I didn't. I couldn't seea difference in like skin type or anything
like that. And you really can'tfeel them once they're like a part of

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your mouth, Like once the healing'sdone, you can't tell the difference.
No. No, But what Imean is like if I if I poked
the gum that came from the cadaverversus yours, is there feeling in the
cadaver gums? Oh? Uh,I don't think so. No, So
you don't coffee in your mouth andyou don't feel it on that spot.

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It's such a focused area, Idon't think. So why'd you get them?
Because I have a Tyler has,I have receding gums and Alex and
Toddler. Not to disparage you,but I've had a lot of like dental
stuff. That one hurt the most. Yeah, they took a dead man's

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mouth and put it in your uns. Like, just like the cutting and
the stitching of everything is probably superpainful. Well, you're probably also super
under anthesia. Yeah, I wouldsay I have my pain collerance is that
of a of a regular thirty fiveyear old man. But the other option

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they give you is they can doa skin graph and take a piece from
the roof of your mouth and usethat as the skin graph. Uh,
dead dude all day? That likecutting that right? Yeah. They likened
it to burning the roof of yourmouth from pizza, and I was like,

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well that sucks because I hate burningmy roof of my mouth from pizza,
and like my mouth was messed upfor like three or four days and
I can't imagine having like a roofburn on top of that. Hey,
can I ask you this, andI'm I don't know why I'm asking,
because I know clearly you could gomale kidney to female recipient. I mean

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this old guy, This ninety eightyear old dude, he gave his organ
to a woman for cadavers. Itwouldn't matter. You could do gums of
a woman gums of a man,right, guy, I would assume,
so, yeah, gums, gumsbe gums. It's probably true. Can
I tell the difference between a man'sgums and a woman's gums? I don't

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think so, Diane, Let mesee your gums. Oh there's that thing
too, all right, dude,Hey, I appreciate it, Thank you,
my friend. All right. OhI don't like that you can mm
hmmmm mm hmmm. Well I currentlydon't like that I spilled tomato on my

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seat. Stupid gum graft.