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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is it illegal for management to go through your desk drawers?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Illegal?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:10):
Illegal?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I mean it looks bad. The unless they're unless they
could say, oh, I'm looking for something. I knew that
you would put this paper somewhere or whatever, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
The no, I actually don't.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Can anything in the office be private property?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
But if they did it, So if you needed it,
wouldn't you just say to them, Hey, so like Diane,
like they need some paper, right, wouldn't you just say
to them, Hey, Diane, I need some pay I need
this piece of paper, this, this, this form or whatever, Yeah,
and then you would get it.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Why do I have to go through your desk?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Right?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Or I would send you a message if you were
working from home, Diane, do you have any of those
those PBX ninety forms? And you'd be like, yeah, they're
in the upper left hand side of my drawer.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
But if you just found out out that after we leave,
Dustin go through your drawers, would you be pissed?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
What are you doing that for?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Is he allowed to?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Does this fall under their workmen's rights? Winegarden? Is this
sort of like the reasonable expectation.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, I mean to me, it does. To me, it
absolutely does. Or are they Have you ever gone through
somebody's drawers?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I have. It's very no.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You feel like you're doing something wrong, Diane, I'm sure
you have some.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I was trying to think of. I mean, remember when
on snow days we used to give away.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Stuff from people's desks. But yeah, like it was different.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It was a bit the.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
No no but there.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I mean even something simple, right like if I like
if I run out of Staples, Yeah, and you go
through and you go walking through the pit and you're like,
you know what, I bet they have staples and you
start going.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Through their drawers.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You feel awkward and I'm not looking to find anything.
Well I am actually staples, but like I'm not snooping
for something. You feel awkward, like you're you're invading somebody's space.
Is it against Is it against the law? Like I
don't think that, Like the police are coming, but is there.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
There a company policy somewhere?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It should be illegal?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, maybe they're not calling the cops, but could you
could I go to hle Avenue. You do not want
to go to HR, but they tell you to go
to HR. We've learned over the years. Who HR is
there to protect now company? Yes, no, because you could
a lawyer pursue some sort of suit if something's been found,
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and maybe you are terminated or whatever the outcome may be,
and then you go back to that expectation of privacy.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
But what if they find something bad.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Like that lube?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Okay, loub is good.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
But unexpected in a drawer on top.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Of a stack of porn magazines. Bob Newman.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No, not Bob Newman, who was Sorry Bob, but thank
for but thank you for creating that.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Sorry Bob Newman. Cruise.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It was not this cruise, Not this cruise.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
No, not this cruise.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
There was a previous cruise to another one.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Let's make it great, sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Bob Newman. Bob Newman's stuff is the one we gave away.
Cruise is the one we had to mail him his
magazines and his lube. And again, not this cruise. This
cruise just gets botox.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Now, well, some the other crews used it for butt talks.
Some managers or bosses. Will they tell you upon your
first day, we occasionally will go through your desk.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Oh, then I would tell you I have the right
to put a lock on my desk.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
And by the way, by the way, what about I
know you often say that whenever we're talking about the
corporate setting. This is a bad example because it is
it's not a real business, like I'll go through dust
and stuff right now. But technically that's not his desk.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
True, this is an open floor plan. You sit wherever
you want.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So, yes, they've decorated, but everybody, everybody sits in the
same place every single day.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
So that's the president that becomes his or her desk. Yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
He's got personal things.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I guarantee you right now, he's got personal things in
his desk.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
I just wondered if that's the workaround instead of being
awkward that first day, Hey we may look in here,
you just say it's open seating, and that gives you
the right to check any desks.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
And does it change if you work for a government office?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Doesn't that change everything? Usually it does, I would assume so.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Out of Richmond City officials this week conducted searches of
employee desks in the city's finance department. According to a
city spokesperson, Richmond's Deputy Communications director, Margaret Ekam said the
searches were conducted as is customary with financial services industry
best practices, but did not immediately respond when asked what
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the search is produced and how often they have occurred.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So they don't know how many times they've done this.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
A spokesperson for the union that represents city employees called
the searches quote intimidation tactics by the finance department, but
did not say what the searches were intended to turn up.
So nobody's talking about why they were done. They were
just saying, don't do them.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So now we want to find someone very much involved
in that case.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Oh, I would love to find somebody who works in
the city's finance department in Richmond.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Kristen says, a lot of the people in these public
desks lock the drawers.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
If they're a public desk. Though, you can't lock the
drawers if I wanted to sit down.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
She's saying, yes you can.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh well, I guarantee you for every desk that there's
a master key, that manager's.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Hat's here in this so called open seating sit wherever
you want, people.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Could lock key. Asks why it makes hide something?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
The no, no, but maybe they just maybe maybe there's
something of value that they keep in there that they
don't want stolen.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
In theory, if I came into work today, I would
be able to sit at Dustin's desk because well, number one,
I'm here before him, and number two, I know he's
working from home today. So if I wanted to sit there,
I should be able to sit there. But I couldn't
put something in the drawers because he could lock them.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Well, that's that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, but you're right. Somebody's got to have a master.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Key, Aaron, he keeps them in. Bad ass.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Matthew writes, I walked in one morning with two drawers
of my desk wide open. I am the office manager,
and sent an office wide email for people to stop
doing this overnight.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Oh so he sent that email. I got you.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I thought you were gonna say they had sent an
email saying we're going through your desks. No, don't go
through my stuff. Keep your goddamn hands away.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I'd be hot.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
You said, for the can I have nothing in there?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
The case out of Richmond, you said, there was no
heads up. It just happened. And then there was word
that it had happened many times before.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Further, it happened while workers were out of the office,
and adding that the searches were not consensual and involved
multiple picked locks. So that's that we locked our death,
not unlocking well looking locks.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
This was done without any sort of popular dot pop
proper documentation. Workers are concerned about job security and safety.
In a statement, the union's local chapter chair, Felicia Boney
Uh said the searches were illegal maneuvers to harass workers.
They are just outright and plain unacceptable. According to boney,
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it's not clear what rules governed searches of city property
assigned to employees. Multiple requests were sent to Richmond Chief
Administrative Officer Lincoln Saunders, but they were not returned.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Please somebody from Richmond. Here we go. Line two, Hi
Elliott in the morning.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Four?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Hey is this me?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (08:31):
So I work in finance on the private side, and
death searches are completely normal.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Wait a minute, normal?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
How is that?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Wait? So are you calling me?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
But you don't work for this for the Richmond City
Finance Department.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
No, no, but I'm in finance in general, and at
any time your death can be looked at.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
When you say you're in finance. What does that mean?
I work for a national bank, So at a bank,
they can come by. If you're a manager at a bank,
or you have access to a bank, you do you
do like like like insurance or home loans or whatever.
They can come to your desk at any point and
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just go through it to see if you've got money in.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
There, Have you got money in there, if you've got alcohol,
client information, anything.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Oh my god, like listen if you thought without But
do they need to have probable cause? No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
It's part of our audit. I don't like that. I
don't like that, sir.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But I wonder if a thank you, if you know
that's going on, does that prevent you from steel?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
No, you put it somewhere else. I put in Diane's desk.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You're framing me.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Now what are you looking at there?
Speaker 5 (09:54):
This is the employee handbook where for us, Yes, and
they're is a partner here. That's going to make you
even angrier than finding out they can search your desk.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
They can search your desk at any time, at.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Any time, at its discretion, and can search filing cabinets, desks, lockers, purses, briefcases, containers, packages,
and vehicles.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Okay, why are they going into a vehicle? How about you?
How about my purse?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Any employee, any employee failing or refusing to promptly permit
a search under this policy will be subject to discipline
up to and including suspension and or termination.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So they want to search my car, I tell them
they eat, eat a big bag of it, and then
you get fired. Yes, no, well it's in the handle.
Is that most companies?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Can most companies just search your again?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Your car again? The the I don't know why I
keep using probable cause, but why are you searching my car?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Like? Do I go downstairs?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And like sometimes if I go by Aaron's office and
I don't see him as he down in P two
with his with his nose pressed up against windows, like
looking in cars. But it doesn't even sound like they're
just looking in It sounds like Aaron through cars. Aaron
could grab give me somebody who works in sales. Somebody
works in sales who comes to the office cars. You
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better be on his way now with the goddamn Jersey
Mike sandwiches.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
You get one thing done.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, he can take caruso by the Oh sweet awesome
good he showed up for work.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Ears are ringing.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I can take Aaron could grab Caruso by the arm
and take him into the parking garage and say unlock
your car.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I'm searching.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
And it's not because you think that there's.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You've got seatback, because that ass got.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
To get in.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Explosives are weapons.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I just want to look.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You can say, we think you've removed company property.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, you took that file. You you took the Ronniemrvis file.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
That's been improperly taken from the office.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Man, would I fight that and lose because it's in
the hand books?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Sorry you got fired?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Do most people right now are they learning that a
company could do that? Probably so they can go through
the desks, filing cabinets, purses, my computer, backpack.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I would break someone's hands.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
That's it right there. Yeah, briefcases, purses. I imagine most
people right now are trying to remember how to sign
into workday right, which is what I did before I
found the handbook.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Okay, let's go through Dustin's desk. Well, well, I'm a manager.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I think you have to look at your tree to
determine who can search who? Line two Hi, hi Ellie
of the morning.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Hello is this man?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Hi, who's this?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Hey? This is Mike Man.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Hey, what's going on? Mike?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Not a whole lot? Hey, I'm a county employee. And
how they get around all that is, your desk is
considered county property. So therefore they can go in at
any given time. Where are you, Justine, I having to
make this department.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Where are you where?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Like?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Where?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Where where do you work? Can you say fair pact
count fair FAC's count Now? Can they go in your car?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Not that I know?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
So they can only go into their property.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Correct. So in this Richmond finance thing, is that is
that going to be their win? That these desks are
government property. We can go through them whenever we want,
whether you're here or not.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Ten four. That that's that's the wrap around because you
know when you when you sign on to be employed,
they everything you do off, your phone, your computer, your
all of that stuff, it all belongs to them. So
they have the right to it at any given time.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Okay, So if I heart wanted to make that argument, Okay,
you own the desk, you don't know my computer backpack,
you don't know my car.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, but if your computers, if my computer's in your backpack.
I can go in your backpack and get my computer.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well, it's my computer. I have my own computer.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
It doesn't matter initial the receipt of this handful. So
in what scenario, hey, thank you sir. On what context
is there a reasonable expectation of privacy?
Speaker 4 (14:33):
None?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Not even in your car, your house, once you leave
the once I leave the premise.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
No.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
No, I'm not saying the pullman drive to my house
and like, look through my car in your light.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I'd be like, Tom, why don't you look at my butthole.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I'm saying, if something is government owned, or the company
claims it's theirs, or it's in the handbook, that we
can search you up and down, when can they not?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Bathroom?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
That's your only place of privacy.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
That's where when I steal everything, I take it right
into the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
But are there companies I'm saying that that know they
can't go through your desk because they don't have it
outlined in the handbook.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I don't know why, but I want to say nonprofits,
And I don't know why I say it.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You like to pick on them. Yeah, they're not in
it for the money anyway.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Don't you make money. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe every
company can.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Kristen are are Kristin r Kristen?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Oh she wants to go through Dustin's desk?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
No, no, no, She ends us with the hashtag God
bless Oh America. I'm not letting them search or remove anything.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I remember, she's got knives.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
She's got knives, she's got spray, she's got a crossbow.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I better discus.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Like movies rapped, Ira is curious, Diane if this will
in the future stop you from stealing printer paper.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Three.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
This may be the most eye opening conversation all week.
Hi Ellie in the morning.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Dude? Not much so.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I work in public school, and I know it sounds like,
you know, if you had this conversation about school, probably
a little bit more accepting that your stuff is, you know,
not private anymore. But I don't think the law knows
any different. There's legal precedents, like your own public property,
and you're, you know, spending the day on public property,
so your stuff is not public property. You can't come
to school and hide things places and say oh, you.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Can't look in there because it's mine. Doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
No, No, And I understand listen, if I'm a school
teacher and they they think that, you know you you've
been drinking on the job, right and you were out
at lunch and they went through your desk, I could
understand them going, hey, you know what, then sue us
because we believe he's been come to the school drunk
and everything. But if you were, if you're you're you're
an exemplar re employee, you believe that, like the principal
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could just come in and go through your crap.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Well yes, And also, the kids have custodial jobs at
my school, so the last thing I'm going to be
doing is leaving you know, hot button stuff in my desk.
And because the kids, I'm sure snoop around when are cleaning.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Wait a minute, there's kids at your school, like after school,
they like.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Clean the school. That's correct. Aren't they good at goodies?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Or is that just a job for them?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:25):
Yeah, it's like thirteen bucks an hour. It's like it's like,
are you Thomas competing? Yeah, dude, they're like kids want
to clean the school because the money.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Timer wanted to clean the school. But just because he
wanted to clean, just wanted the gold star exactly. Oh,
my god.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
If I did, thank you, sir, thirteen bucks an hour,
and I could look at every teacher's desk. Sign me up,
you know what I need to check now?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
And I guess I get that they're busy with the
video game actors. But the union, what does your bad
elective bargaining agreements say?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Oh so they may be able to check Russo's car,
but Annie may prevent them from checking my car.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
That's what I'm saying. You have to immediately pull out
your sad car.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Force major, Forest Major.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Where's Jones? Remember wine Carton?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Oh so, when Aaron wants to take you to the car,
Jones has to go with you. Yes, he's my rap.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
What a sad train of people, especially when it's all
over printer paper.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Diane Line eight, Hi, Elliott the morning. Can I go
look at Dusson's desk? I gotta know what's in there?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
He cannot.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Why you don't?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It doesn't say no, But I'm a I'm a student customer.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Somebody needs to ordain you having those rights.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Jones. I'm sorry, Yes, who is this?
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Yeah? Hi, Hi, Yes Chelsea, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
So, I work in a hotel. I work in hotels
basically my whole adult career. And it's completely normal, like
you know during orientation that they're able to search your bag,
search your purse, search your car if you're parked on property,
Like it's.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
What, no, no, well you know what, I'm no longer
parking on P two.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
P two.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
That's not No, that's not Iheart's property.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It's that's that's the building and the parking company that
rents from them.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
That's not iHeart.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
That is true.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Yeah, I guess, I guess it depends it like for
me personally, like if I park on my building, they
have the right to search.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Or is this like where I get confused, where if
the police are chasing me, but I pull into like
my driveway, they can't because now it's private property.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I always get that mixed out.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You pull in it was a pit maneuver, that's spun
you in. Wait a minute, so is that is that
is that company property?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I'm going to go park over at the hotel.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
You can't.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
That would be I'm assuming that would be a workaround.
But you may have something and or beyond to something
with them not own.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Then the parking garage the garage.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
No, no, all right, So Bob Duckman owns the party.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But they'll just say, well, you're in here. You're here
in the capacity of being an employee. That's why you're here.
So we'll still be able to What.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
About people start take the metro, Search them on the metro.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
How they get out of it?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Lay down, lay down on the search you line five? Hi,
Yellie in the morning.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
Good morning class, Good morning Elliott. How are you good?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
You sound very astute.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
I used to work for a patent lawyers were searched regularly,
and our purses and everything. And the scandal at our
work that happened was one of the managers dumped out
this girl's person in front of a bunch of people
in a pregnancy test popped out and they made eye contact.
She took off running, crying, and he grabbed the nearest
trash can and jumped up his lunch. It was hysterical
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and oh.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yes, because he knocked her up. He knocked her up.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yes, yes,
Is it illegal for management to go through your desk drawers?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Illegal?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:10):
Illegal?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I mean it looks bad. The unless they're unless they
could say, oh, I'm looking for something. I knew that
you would put this paper somewhere or whatever, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
The no, I actually don't.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Can anything in the office be private property?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
But if they did it, So if you needed it,
wouldn't you just say to them, Hey, so like Diane,
like they need some paper, right, wouldn't you just say
to them, Hey, Diane, I need some pay I need
this piece of paper, this, this, this form or whatever, Yeah,
and then you would get it.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Why do I have to go through your desk?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Right?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Or I would send you a message if you were
working from home, Diane, do you have any of those
those PBX ninety forms? And you'd be like, yeah, they're
in the upper left hand side of my drawer.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
But if you just found out out that after we leave,
Dustin go through your drawers, would you be pissed?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
What are you doing that for?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Is he allowed to?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Does this fall under their workmen's rights? Winegarden? Is this
sort of like the reasonable expectation.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, I mean to me, it does. To me, it
absolutely does. Or are they Have you ever gone through
somebody's drawers?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I have. It's very no.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You feel like you're doing something wrong, Diane, I'm sure
you have some.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I was trying to think of. I mean, remember when
on snow days we used to give away.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Stuff from people's desks. But yeah, like it was different.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It was a bit the.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
No no but there.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I mean even something simple, right like if I like
if I run out of Staples, Yeah, and you go
through and you go walking through the pit and you're like,
you know what, I bet they have staples and you
start going.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Through their drawers.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You feel awkward and I'm not looking to find anything.
Well I am actually staples, but like I'm not snooping
for something. You feel awkward, like you're you're invading somebody's space.
Is it against Is it against the law? Like I
don't think that, Like the police are coming, but is there.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
There a company policy somewhere?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It should be illegal?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, maybe they're not calling the cops, but could you
could I go to hle Avenue. You do not want
to go to HR, but they tell you to go
to HR. We've learned over the years. Who HR is
there to protect now company? Yes, no, because you could
a lawyer pursue some sort of suit if something's been found,
(02:41):
and maybe you are terminated or whatever the outcome may be,
and then you go back to that expectation of privacy.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
But what if they find something bad.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Like that lube?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Okay, loub is good.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
But unexpected in a drawer on top.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Of a stack of porn magazines. Bob Newman.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No, not Bob Newman, who was Sorry Bob, but thank
for but thank you for creating that.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Sorry Bob Newman. Cruise.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It was not this cruise, Not this cruise.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
No, not this cruise.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
There was a previous cruise to another one.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Let's make it great, sorry.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Bob Newman. Bob Newman's stuff is the one we gave away.
Cruise is the one we had to mail him his
magazines and his lube. And again, not this cruise. This
cruise just gets botox.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Now, well, some the other crews used it for butt talks.
Some managers or bosses. Will they tell you upon your
first day, we occasionally will go through your desk.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Oh, then I would tell you I have the right
to put a lock on my desk.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
And by the way, by the way, what about I
know you often say that whenever we're talking about the
corporate setting. This is a bad example because it is
it's not a real business, like I'll go through dust
and stuff right now. But technically that's not his desk.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
True, this is an open floor plan. You sit wherever
you want.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So, yes, they've decorated, but everybody, everybody sits in the
same place every single day.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
So that's the president that becomes his or her desk. Yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
He's got personal things.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I guarantee you right now, he's got personal things in
his desk.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
I just wondered if that's the workaround instead of being
awkward that first day, Hey we may look in here,
you just say it's open seating, and that gives you
the right to check any desks.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
And does it change if you work for a government office?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Doesn't that change everything? Usually it does, I would assume so.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Out of Richmond City officials this week conducted searches of
employee desks in the city's finance department. According to a
city spokesperson, Richmond's Deputy Communications director, Margaret Ekam said the
searches were conducted as is customary with financial services industry
best practices, but did not immediately respond when asked what
(05:09):
the search is produced and how often they have occurred.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So they don't know how many times they've done this.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
A spokesperson for the union that represents city employees called
the searches quote intimidation tactics by the finance department, but
did not say what the searches were intended to turn up.
So nobody's talking about why they were done. They were
just saying, don't do them.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So now we want to find someone very much involved
in that case.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Oh, I would love to find somebody who works in
the city's finance department in Richmond.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Kristen says, a lot of the people in these public
desks lock the drawers.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
If they're a public desk. Though, you can't lock the
drawers if I wanted to sit down.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
She's saying, yes you can.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh well, I guarantee you for every desk that there's
a master key, that manager's.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Hat's here in this so called open seating sit wherever
you want, people.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Could lock key. Asks why it makes hide something?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
The no, no, but maybe they just maybe maybe there's
something of value that they keep in there that they
don't want stolen.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
In theory, if I came into work today, I would
be able to sit at Dustin's desk because well, number one,
I'm here before him, and number two, I know he's
working from home today. So if I wanted to sit there,
I should be able to sit there. But I couldn't
put something in the drawers because he could lock them.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Well, that's that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, but you're right. Somebody's got to have a master.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Key, Aaron, he keeps them in. Bad ass.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Matthew writes, I walked in one morning with two drawers
of my desk wide open. I am the office manager,
and sent an office wide email for people to stop
doing this overnight.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Oh so he sent that email. I got you.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I thought you were gonna say they had sent an
email saying we're going through your desks. No, don't go
through my stuff. Keep your goddamn hands away.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I'd be hot.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
You said, for the can I have nothing in there?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
The case out of Richmond, you said, there was no
heads up. It just happened. And then there was word
that it had happened many times before.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Further, it happened while workers were out of the office,
and adding that the searches were not consensual and involved
multiple picked locks. So that's that we locked our death,
not unlocking well looking locks.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
This was done without any sort of popular dot pop
proper documentation. Workers are concerned about job security and safety.
In a statement, the union's local chapter chair, Felicia Boney
Uh said the searches were illegal maneuvers to harass workers.
They are just outright and plain unacceptable. According to boney,
(08:07):
it's not clear what rules governed searches of city property
assigned to employees. Multiple requests were sent to Richmond Chief
Administrative Officer Lincoln Saunders, but they were not returned.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Please somebody from Richmond. Here we go. Line two, Hi
Elliott in the morning.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Four?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Hey is this me?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (08:31):
So I work in finance on the private side, and
death searches are completely normal.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Wait a minute, normal?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
How is that?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Wait? So are you calling me?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
But you don't work for this for the Richmond City
Finance Department.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
No, no, but I'm in finance in general, and at
any time your death can be looked at.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
When you say you're in finance. What does that mean?
I work for a national bank, So at a bank,
they can come by. If you're a manager at a bank,
or you have access to a bank, you do you
do like like like insurance or home loans or whatever.
They can come to your desk at any point and
(09:15):
just go through it to see if you've got money in.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
There, Have you got money in there, if you've got alcohol,
client information, anything.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Oh my god, like listen if you thought without But
do they need to have probable cause? No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
It's part of our audit. I don't like that. I
don't like that, sir.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But I wonder if a thank you, if you know
that's going on, does that prevent you from steel?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
No, you put it somewhere else. I put in Diane's desk.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You're framing me.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Now what are you looking at there?
Speaker 5 (09:54):
This is the employee handbook where for us, Yes, and
they're is a partner here. That's going to make you
even angrier than finding out they can search your desk.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
They can search your desk at any time, at.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Any time, at its discretion, and can search filing cabinets, desks, lockers, purses, briefcases, containers, packages,
and vehicles.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Okay, why are they going into a vehicle? How about you?
How about my purse?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Any employee, any employee failing or refusing to promptly permit
a search under this policy will be subject to discipline
up to and including suspension and or termination.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So they want to search my car, I tell them
they eat, eat a big bag of it, and then
you get fired. Yes, no, well it's in the handle.
Is that most companies?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Can most companies just search your again?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Your car again? The the I don't know why I
keep using probable cause, but why are you searching my car?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Like? Do I go downstairs?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And like sometimes if I go by Aaron's office and
I don't see him as he down in P two
with his with his nose pressed up against windows, like
looking in cars. But it doesn't even sound like they're
just looking in It sounds like Aaron through cars. Aaron
could grab give me somebody who works in sales. Somebody
works in sales who comes to the office cars. You
(11:29):
better be on his way now with the goddamn Jersey
Mike sandwiches.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
You get one thing done.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, he can take caruso by the Oh sweet awesome
good he showed up for work.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Ears are ringing.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I can take Aaron could grab Caruso by the arm
and take him into the parking garage and say unlock
your car.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I'm searching.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
And it's not because you think that there's.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You've got seatback, because that ass got.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
To get in.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Explosives are weapons.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
I just want to look.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You can say, we think you've removed company property.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, you took that file. You you took the Ronniemrvis file.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
That's been improperly taken from the office.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Man, would I fight that and lose because it's in
the hand books?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Sorry you got fired?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Do most people right now are they learning that a
company could do that? Probably so they can go through
the desks, filing cabinets, purses, my computer, backpack.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I would break someone's hands.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
That's it right there. Yeah, briefcases, purses. I imagine most
people right now are trying to remember how to sign
into workday right, which is what I did before I
found the handbook.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Okay, let's go through Dustin's desk. Well, well, I'm a manager.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I think you have to look at your tree to
determine who can search who? Line two Hi, hi Ellie
of the morning.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Hello is this man?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Hi, who's this?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Hey? This is Mike Man.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Hey, what's going on? Mike?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Not a whole lot? Hey, I'm a county employee. And
how they get around all that is, your desk is
considered county property. So therefore they can go in at
any given time. Where are you, Justine, I having to
make this department.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Where are you where?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Like?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Where?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Where where do you work? Can you say fair pact
count fair FAC's count Now? Can they go in your car?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Not that I know?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
So they can only go into their property.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Correct. So in this Richmond finance thing, is that is
that going to be their win? That these desks are
government property. We can go through them whenever we want,
whether you're here or not.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Ten four. That that's that's the wrap around because you
know when you when you sign on to be employed,
they everything you do off, your phone, your computer, your
all of that stuff, it all belongs to them. So
they have the right to it at any given time.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Okay, So if I heart wanted to make that argument, Okay,
you own the desk, you don't know my computer backpack,
you don't know my car.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, but if your computers, if my computer's in your backpack.
I can go in your backpack and get my computer.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well, it's my computer. I have my own computer.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
It doesn't matter initial the receipt of this handful. So
in what scenario, hey, thank you sir. On what context
is there a reasonable expectation of privacy?
Speaker 4 (14:33):
None?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Not even in your car, your house, once you leave
the once I leave the premise.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
No.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
No, I'm not saying the pullman drive to my house
and like, look through my car in your light.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I'd be like, Tom, why don't you look at my butthole.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I'm saying, if something is government owned, or the company
claims it's theirs, or it's in the handbook, that we
can search you up and down, when can they not?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Bathroom?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
That's your only place of privacy.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
That's where when I steal everything, I take it right
into the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
But are there companies I'm saying that that know they
can't go through your desk because they don't have it
outlined in the handbook.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I don't know why, but I want to say nonprofits,
And I don't know why I say it.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You like to pick on them. Yeah, they're not in
it for the money anyway.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Don't you make money. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe every
company can.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Kristen are are Kristin r Kristen?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Oh she wants to go through Dustin's desk?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
No, no, no, She ends us with the hashtag God
bless Oh America. I'm not letting them search or remove anything.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I remember, she's got knives.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
She's got knives, she's got spray, she's got a crossbow.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I better discus.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Like movies rapped, Ira is curious, Diane if this will
in the future stop you from stealing printer paper.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Three.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
This may be the most eye opening conversation all week.
Hi Ellie in the morning.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Dude? Not much so.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I work in public school, and I know it sounds like,
you know, if you had this conversation about school, probably
a little bit more accepting that your stuff is, you know,
not private anymore. But I don't think the law knows
any different. There's legal precedents, like your own public property,
and you're, you know, spending the day on public property,
so your stuff is not public property. You can't come
to school and hide things places and say oh, you.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Can't look in there because it's mine. Doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
No, No, And I understand listen, if I'm a school
teacher and they they think that, you know you you've
been drinking on the job, right and you were out
at lunch and they went through your desk, I could
understand them going, hey, you know what, then sue us
because we believe he's been come to the school drunk
and everything. But if you were, if you're you're you're
an exemplar re employee, you believe that, like the principal
(16:56):
could just come in and go through your crap.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Well yes, And also, the kids have custodial jobs at
my school, so the last thing I'm going to be
doing is leaving you know, hot button stuff in my desk.
And because the kids, I'm sure snoop around when are cleaning.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Wait a minute, there's kids at your school, like after school,
they like.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Clean the school. That's correct. Aren't they good at goodies?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Or is that just a job for them?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:25):
Yeah, it's like thirteen bucks an hour. It's like it's like,
are you Thomas competing? Yeah, dude, they're like kids want
to clean the school because the money.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Timer wanted to clean the school. But just because he
wanted to clean, just wanted the gold star exactly. Oh,
my god.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
If I did, thank you, sir, thirteen bucks an hour,
and I could look at every teacher's desk. Sign me up,
you know what I need to check now?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
And I guess I get that they're busy with the
video game actors. But the union, what does your bad
elective bargaining agreements say?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Oh so they may be able to check Russo's car,
but Annie may prevent them from checking my car.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
That's what I'm saying. You have to immediately pull out
your sad car.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Force major, Forest Major.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Where's Jones? Remember wine Carton?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Oh so, when Aaron wants to take you to the car,
Jones has to go with you. Yes, he's my rap.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
What a sad train of people, especially when it's all
over printer paper.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Diane Line eight, Hi, Elliott the morning. Can I go
look at Dusson's desk? I gotta know what's in there?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
He cannot.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Why you don't?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It doesn't say no, But I'm a I'm a student customer.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Somebody needs to ordain you having those rights.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Jones. I'm sorry, Yes, who is this?
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Yeah? Hi, Hi, Yes Chelsea, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
So, I work in a hotel. I work in hotels
basically my whole adult career. And it's completely normal, like
you know during orientation that they're able to search your bag,
search your purse, search your car if you're parked on property,
Like it's.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
What, no, no, well you know what, I'm no longer
parking on P two.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
P two.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
That's not No, that's not Iheart's property.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It's that's that's the building and the parking company that
rents from them.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
That's not iHeart.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
That is true.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Yeah, I guess, I guess it depends it like for
me personally, like if I park on my building, they
have the right to search.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Or is this like where I get confused, where if
the police are chasing me, but I pull into like
my driveway, they can't because now it's private property.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I always get that mixed out.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You pull in it was a pit maneuver, that's spun
you in. Wait a minute, so is that is that
is that company property?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I'm going to go park over at the hotel.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
You can't.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
That would be I'm assuming that would be a workaround.
But you may have something and or beyond to something
with them not own.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Then the parking garage the garage.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
No, no, all right, So Bob Duckman owns the party.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But they'll just say, well, you're in here. You're here
in the capacity of being an employee. That's why you're here.
So we'll still be able to What.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
About people start take the metro, Search them on the metro.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
How they get out of it?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Lay down, lay down on the search you line five? Hi,
Yellie in the morning.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
Good morning class, Good morning Elliott. How are you good?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
You sound very astute.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
I used to work for a patent lawyers were searched regularly,
and our purses and everything. And the scandal at our
work that happened was one of the managers dumped out
this girl's person in front of a bunch of people
in a pregnancy test popped out and they made eye contact.
She took off running, crying, and he grabbed the nearest
trash can and jumped up his lunch. It was hysterical
(21:17):
and oh.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yes, because he knocked her up. He knocked her up.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yes, yes,
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