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November 27, 2024 23 mins
When sex education fails.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do we do a good job with sex education in
the US?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
No, some districts it's gotten better, Okay, No, No, there
are places that are severely, severely lacking in terms of educating.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Okay, But would we say, would collectively we say we
don't do a great job.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I think the school districts that do it right. I
can speak for my own kids. They talk about so
much more than was ever addressed with us right when
we were in elementary school and now middle school. But
there are some districts that barely touch it. And that's
a problem. Okay, all right, for not just awareness but safety.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Would we say that we think.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm eating Yes, I moved to the side.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
But there would be room for improvement everywhere.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I think you're better to improve and
stick with the status quo then disimprove.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
So yeah, we'll start there now.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I learned a very valuable lesson when I when I
lived in New York and was working at the at
the radio station in New York, there was a show
that was on at night called Love Phones. Those are
by doctor Judy right, And then there were a couple
of other people that went through there.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Like Chris Jagger. Nobody cares Elliott. So anyway, I wish
you had a recent photo of it. So anyway, but
doctor Judy.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
So people used to call in and talk to Doctor
Judy all the time, right, So it was it was
it was the East Coast version of Doctor Drew essentially, right.
So anyway, people would call in and they would talk
to Doctor Judy, and they had if they had questions
about sex, or they didn't understand something or something had
gone wrong. And sometimes people used to say to us
all the time, like, hey, are they lying, and Doctor

(01:51):
Judy would always go, maybe they are, Maybe they are,
but I promise you if somebody is thinking it, it's happened.
So this person may be lying, this person may be
trying to be funny, this person may be thinking that
like oh, I'm just going to be like whatever, but
I promise you somebody is really going through that or

(02:13):
thinking that.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Right. So she used to say that all the time.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
So if somebody called in and asked something stupid or
something that where you would roll your eyes and go seriously,
she'd be like, trust me, there's somebody out there that
does not know that. Or if somebody called in and
said that they tried something that was completely ridiculous and
off the wall whatever. She would go again. They may
be lying, but trust me, somebody's tried that. There's one

(02:39):
story that's still to this day.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I think about a lot like it is, think about
it a lot. A phone call that at the time
I was like, no way, but then eventually meeting up
and working with my radio hero who did mornings on
that station, Thank you, he told me. No, Doctor Judy
told us this.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
What was the call?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I can't even I can't even say. It's gotta be
after ten pm?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I gotcha. Yeah, some of them are pretty aggressive. Some
of them are pretty aggressive. It involved.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Savoring the intimacy from a night before, and not in
like a big meat Henderson way.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
So I give you all of that as a background. Okay,
now let me ask you this. Let me go back
to my first question. We think that some parts of
the US do a good job, but there would be
room for improvement.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Do we do better than other countries? Oh? In sex education,
I don't know. I can't come on that. I have
no idea, right, I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I've never I've never asked anybody from another I'll ask
Daniel today, but I've never asked.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
He's not rocking out? Turned the playlist down for a second.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, I mean ooh got jaga.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
No, no, But I don't know. I don't know what
sex ad is like in other countries. I have no idea.
So I want to tell you something I read yesterday,
and I already know what the response is.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Hey man, hey, hey, stupid.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Was that someone calling from Everest?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Oh? My god, happy Turkey. The thirty year old dude, okay,
is married? Right?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
So I was reading about this guy yesterday.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Thirty year old guy's been married to his wife for
a couple of years, four or five years, whatever it is,
I don't remember the exact number.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
They decided that they wanted to have kids, Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
So they were trying, and they were trying, and they
were trying, and.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
They had been going at it pretty aggressively for about
a year.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Nothing, nothing was working.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
She couldn't get pregnant, right, so they went to a
fertility clinic. Now I will say this, they're not from
the US, Okay, The.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Couple's not from the US.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
I don't know where they're from other than the guy
said that where they grew up, sex education was was
pretty basic. Okay, what got And the guy says, what
got drilled into our heads over and over and over
again was wear a condom or you'll catch a horrible disease.

(05:31):
Oh okay, right now, I've said this before. I wore
a condom because I didn't want a kid. Give me
VD all day, give.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Me VD all day. I didn't want a kid.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
However, this guy grew up of you wear a condom
so you don't get a disease, and that was drilled
into his head over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and and sex ed
was pretty basic for him. So he and his wife,
like I said, they married four or five years. They're

(06:06):
trying to have a kid.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Nothing. They go to the fraternity clinic.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
They start talking to the doctor and they're like, listen,
we've been trying to do all of this whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Doctor meets with them and they're really going over stuff.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
I've never been to with fertility clinic, so I don't
know what all like the questions and everything are.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
So I don't know if they were like, hey, how
do you like, what are you doing there?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Like position off like yeah, I don't know, but they
discovered what the problem was.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Okay, now he has developed a problem since then.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
But what the initial problem was of why they couldn't
get pregnant because the guy was wearing a condom? Oh right, okay, okay,
And I see the face where you're like.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Hey man, how stvid are?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
You can't let those bad boys out if they're all
trapped in. But the guy didn't know. And like I said,
what would doctor Judy say? Right now, He's not the
only person. He is not the only one. He is
not the only one who doesn't realize you have to
take the condom off in order to get pregnant.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I believe the guy.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Oh, I don't think he's lying. I don't think I
don't think he's lying. Now I will tell you this.
They've run into a problem. So then he was like, well,
let's take the condom off and get after it. Here's
the problem. He doesn't like having sex without the condom.
That turns into a whole other issue because he's never
had sex without it. So I, who was trying not

(07:37):
to have a kid would take VD all day, is
also going like, ugh, god, you may as well shoot
it with novacane. This guy's like, WHOA.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
What's that feeling? I wish I knew.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Where he was from, because I don't, but I would
believe that somebody from overseas or not from here or
had really piss poor sex education. And yes, I get it,
just conventional wisdom is I can't get pregnant because all
my skeeters are right in here. But if you don't

(08:11):
know any better, it's very innocent, and I'm with you.
I believe him. I don't think this is a guy
just calling doctor Judy and going, hey, watch this, and
then I'll fart at the end of it that people.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Used to do that all the time.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Oh it was the best.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
And then I have some for Geo the hit man.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, I believe the guy, and I wouldn't have I'll
tell you what without Doctor Judy. God, I can't believe
I just said that. I would have said total scam.

(08:55):
But I really do believe the guy. But even if
you if you had no sex ad.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, and you're just going would you would you?

Speaker 3 (09:05):
No?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
See?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Because now I feel like I almost set it up
to be too sensitive to him.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Is it is? Is it?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
And we're all smarter than him, and I'm not calling
him dumb, but we're all were we all we all
know better.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Right, is it still dumb?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
He admitted no, but he's not dumb.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
He's not, but that he maybe felt dumb, oh, one
hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
But as soon as they're like, well, I don't know,
you know, none of this toothpaste is coming out. Have
you unscrewed the lid?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Ah?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Not on a beach?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
And then you got to take it off. I don't
know where he's from. Also, you could see where like
the spermicidal lubri can't could throw you off?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Oh my god, no it can't. This guy, we'll not
like that's I don't know if you like the guy.
But go back to the original writing.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
You said that safe sex was drilled into their heads
use of economies of economy.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Safe sex was drilled into their head, but not safe
as in don't get pregnant, safe as and don't get
a disease. Right?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
But did he wait until marriage to have sex that?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I don't know. That I don't know. That's a great question.
That's a great question.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Because then it's like this was his first time even
engaging in that behavior.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
But wouldn't you even ask? But for four years he's
been he's been nailing this girl with a condom on.
But that's all he knows.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
But when you ask a friend like, hey, how'd you
get pregnant? But I guess you wouldn't ask, like you're
taking the jimmy off. Maybe it's a very maybe he
just doesn't talk about it. Yeah, but people could be
like that in the United States, that that theyn't want
to discuss them. Well, that's ridiculous, So it's not There
are still I know, don't beat taboo, So I don't

(10:59):
think that matters.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
He is and he doesn't say.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
But in the US you could find someone who may
be embarrassed to talk about that subject with not only friends,
but certainly with doctors.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
People aren't honest with their doctors. You should feel comfortable
asking me, I used.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
To be really good friends with a obgy N. I'm
still friends with him, he's just no longer in ob
G I N right, And he would tell.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Me I'm sure all the time.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Absolutely, I'm sure he's seen some stuff that you couldn't
even draw a picture of.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
No, but he would just say, like, trying to break
that wall down because because they don't want to tell you.
You can't help someone if they're not helping you.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
To the truth. I'll tell you all about it after
ten pm. Right, Hey g o oh, hey g o
love for hi Elliott in the morning.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Morning.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, Hi, who's this?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
My name is Cory.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
I have a thought, what about the wife. Don't you
think the wife would have known? I mean, it seems
ironic to people who just don't know that condomns are
contraceptions for getting pregnant, just randomly find each.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Other in the dark.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Now he does no, no, he does say. We're not
from the US, So I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I don't know where they're from. She's not she's not
from the US either. I don't know if they're from
the same place. I don't know if they came over together.
I don't know if they are. I mean, listen, there's
a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot
of people who marry people like them, right, And what
I mean by that is if I'm if I'm Indian,
I may marry another Indian. If I'm Italian, I may

(12:39):
marry another Italian or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
So that may be that.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, they both came over from Mumbai and and that's
how they that's how they were both taught.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
I mean, unfortunately you got to fill in some blanks.
But I know that they're both. It's not like he's
from Mumbai and she's from.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Glenn Burnie. Yeah, exactly, exactly, all right, very good, real quick,
real quick.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
From twenty years ago.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
What about having the type of area code before a
phone number?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Thank you by the way, if you
think you too, have a good Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
But there are certainly communities in the US that may
be very sheltered.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
And that sheltered and you don't know what if you
you think that I could find a community in the
US and I walked in and just handed them a
condom with no explanation, and they would look at it and.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Go, I have no idea what to do with this.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
No way, I agree with Tyler.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
No, somebody that is not like, there's not something wrong
with them.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I'm not talking about any sort of I mean, you
maybe think it's wrong the way they're being raised, but
they're definitely areas.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
They would have no idea what a condom is. No,
what age are you even talking?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
No, it's somebody who's old enough. If I, hey, baby,
what is this they're not gonna know. No, I'm talking
about an eighteen nineteen twenty year old person. Boy, your
girl easy, I could find you, no way.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
No find them, find them.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
You could go to the the middle of the most
horse and buggy Amish and they would know what a
condom is, absolutely, Kristen.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
They would know. You don't think of you don't.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Think a diehard Amish would know what a what a
condom is? Absolutely, And I'm not picking on any source.
I'm not picking on anybody community.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I like the homage. They have great fried chicken.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I don't think it's just the Amish or their Mennonites
or whatever. The Definitely it's a good joke. Though time
this week you reference a horrible joke. There are pockets,
certainly worldwide, but but America, pockets where people don't know
what condoms are. No.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I may hate them, but they know what it is.
They may think it's it's dirty, it's taboo, but they.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Know what it is.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
But no, but knowing what just oh, that's a condom.
You may know the word, but you may not know.
You could look at it and know where it goes,
but how but how to use it or what exactly
it's used for this guy.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
If you told me a diaphragm, I would go, yeah,
they get it, Like what do I need a trampoline
like that for?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
But con I handed you a diaphragm today. For as
many times as we've discussed them and joked about them,
you would be like, what do I do?

Speaker 3 (15:34):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Nope? No, that's a buoying it open and then my
my sperm answer it goes buying, buying, buying, buying.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
But you've said you would also be confused as to
how to use a dental Damn.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I would have no.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I don't even know what one looks like like it
better look like a like like I have no idea.
Is it's just a big plastic like Reynolds rat that
goes over that thing.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Kind of yeah, yeah it is. It's like it's like
a more rubbery Yeah, but it's like a it's like
a like a barf bag for the cooter. Oh my god, wow.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Heavy thanks give me seriously. I don't think any generation
knows what that is. Every generation knows what a cooter is.
Line five, Hi elliot in the morning.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Hi, Hi, who's this?

Speaker 5 (16:35):
It's Karen. I'm a sex a teacher, and I taught
everything from middle school all the way up to high school, right,
And I'm not going to mention what school system I
work for because it's a little frightening. But you wouldn't
believe the ignorance of the kids and what they tell
each other. And we're talking kids that have access to

(16:55):
the internet. Come from educated families, and I'm shocked at
how many parents, educated parents that don't want their kids
to have sex heads, but you see for their kids.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
You do you Let me ask you this two questions.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Number One, you think you could find an eighteen year
old nineteen year old.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
In the US who has no idea what a condom is?

Speaker 5 (17:21):
Absolutely, and I taught them, Oh my god, Yeah, am
you're parents out there? There are parents out there that
are very adamant that their children do not are not
exposed to birth control methods, and they are not they
are exempt from that in their health education.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Now, let me ask you this, though, do you do
you buy the story that if we're bad here like
this guy who for five years were a condom because
he didn't want to get no disease on his thing,
but had no idea that you have to take it
off in order to get pregnant.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
I'm a I don't concerned. I'm a little concerned about that.
But but again, I don't know what country they're from.
You know, they could be, you know, a country that
we're very repressed and so their exposure to sex. Said,
the fact that he even knows about a condom is
a little concerning. You know, he knows to even put

(18:20):
it on, So you would think he'd have some information
about you know, google it, you know what I mean, Like,
if he knows about a condom, why is it he
on the internet? That's a more information about it.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
That's a great question.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
I kind of questioned that boss story.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
No, you know what, that's a good that that that
I didn't think about that.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
But by the way, I would say that, find me
a twenty year old who doesn't know what a condom is.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
I mean, like, oh my god, watch porn.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Well, very restrictive as far as as far as cell
phone use and internet and stuff like that, and you'd
be surprised. I mean, I teach him. I teach him
one of the best school systems in the area. And
we're talking to educated, affluent families and there are lots

(19:10):
of them that do not will not let their kids
have sel foods, even on the high school level.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Oh, come on, I got a start. I got to start.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I gotta start teaching, like I got to get hired,
like Elliott's classes, Elliot and Judy.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
All right, very good, very good, Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.
That's eye opening. That's eye opening.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm not surprised in the least.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
And by the way, I do get and I understand
what she's saying that there's some parents who are like,
I don't want my kids expose to that. When I say,
I understand that, not personally, I was like, tell them
everything the but I do understand that that exists.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
But even those kids know what a condom is.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Jonathan Jonathan on Facebook. Right's, yeah, it's called the Bible Belt. No,
but even people in the Bible Belt know what a
condom is. But there's plenty of preachers daughters who have
had sex. They didn't think they could get pregnant, and
if they pulled out the well, that is true, and.

Speaker 6 (20:05):
Then you get a splash pregnancy show Hold, Oh my god,
give me more bts goss.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
About well you remember Milkman's role on that show.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yes, I do yeah, he would if somebody was I
if the person who called was stupid, you wouldn't hear
Sam on a mic. Sam would pick up the phone
in the other room and tell the girl, you know
you sound dumb and hang up.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Which made them very comfortable. Well, how do I give
my boyfriend a misnomer? Classic?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Would I do the trump hands?

Speaker 2 (20:52):
You know what I'm going to bring up at Thanksgiving
dinner that I can do a trumpet pressure? Do you
see this? Is that pretty accurate, Kristen.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I'm not implying see that. Do the dance the same
dance I did the dance last week?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
My Santa on my tree dances like.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
That hill the morning?

Speaker 6 (21:13):
Is it me?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Hi?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Who's this? Hi?

Speaker 4 (21:16):
This is a theme from Rhode Island?

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Your what is your name?

Speaker 4 (21:20):
A theme like the thing could holds your shirt together?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
A seam?

Speaker 1 (21:23):
A seam? A seam? Yes, a seem from Rhode Island?
What may I do for you?

Speaker 4 (21:29):
So you were talking about condoms in this whole story, right,
and in reality, like especially in Africa, in India, in
places like in Thailand, condoms are advertised as venereal disease
protection and not birth control.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Okay, I understand that I understand that. So that's that
that kind of goes to what I was saying. If
this guy only thought that, so he thought I'm banging
my wife for four years, I haven't gotten an ounce
of filth on my junk. But so no, like at
no point or you you taught over receives like, hey,
take it off to get pregnant.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
So maybe in your family, right, obviously there's birth rates
that are there skyrocketing everywhere. So clearly people are having sex.
But see when you're young, if that's all you're being
taught and your parents never talk about it, then you
may not know.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, no, I mean and I get that overseas, I
get that a scene. Where are you from? I know
you said Rhode Island, So yeah, so I was born in.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
The United States. My parents are from India. My mom
grew up in Africa. So like, I've been all over
the world and like seeing all of that, and it's
very very different than here where even in your remedial
sex and like the most basic they're talking about it
in the US over there, like a lot of times
that's just not happening.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Doctor Judy fur the wind, how about that? How about that?
How about that.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Your your mom, you're you're like all the way back then,
but your mom wouldn't know what a dental damn is.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Let's not ask you know what. I don't need to.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Hoppy Thanksgiving, but I don't want to know. Right.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Revery goes over the cooter. Hey, that's a good question.
Would your mom know what a cooter is?

Speaker 4 (23:10):
I'm sure you could use contact clues. He's pretty modern
and pretty smart. But you know, if you after thirty
years ago, maybe.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Not interesting interesting.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
So barfbag for the couter.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Figure that out, do not do not Telliot? All right,
very good, Thank you, sir, thank you. Oh is it
dirt yet?

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Not yet?

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Man?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Hi, Elliot in the morning. Hey man, hello, Hello, This
is where Sam would pick up the phone. You know
you sound stupid.
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