December 2, 2025 • 33 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Katillion. I never took it. My kids never took it.
Now I have friends whose kids took it. Is it
a middle school thing?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I think so it's it's etiquette and right, yeah, but
like when.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You were like, we never did any of that when
I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Now, but do you learn that, like if it's not in,
if it's not in, Like I don't even know who
they took Katilion through?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Is that through a school?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
So pre Katillion is grades K through four, Junior is
five through eight, and high school Katilion is ninth or twelve.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So you have to take it three times?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Well, do you have to be in from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So you you do all of them?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
No, I'm saying, do you have to be in from
the start?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Oh? I have no idea. I have no clue.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
How do you like is Katillion just offered by? Like?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Do you When I say do you go to a school?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't mean the school like you're middle school or
your element entary school or your high school. Do you
go to like an etiquette school? But they just call
it Katillion.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I thought it was a league, like a national organization and.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
The National League of Junior Katilions.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Are you serious?
Speaker 5 (01:15):
And it looks like there's chapters all around.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So where like where would it be if you lived
in Arlington, where would you where would you take it?
Like they host it.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Somewhere Northern Virginia Junior Katilian, Oh god. And then there's
the Ivy Foundation, which is high school ages.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So Ivy Foundation is high school version of Katilion.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
And there's a Capital Cotilion, which is kids who are
even younger.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're like, you wouldn't learn you wouldn't learn katillion stuff?
Like what is what is? Like?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I had friends that did was it CCD?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
That's that's like religious education.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Oh so you wouldn't learn. You wouldn't learn katillion in there?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Now you learn how to properly pray except the Eucharist.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Right, No, but it wouldn't be like yeah, but like
a katillion you learn, don't you learn?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Like I was not a person that had it put
right on my tongue. I just feel like that needs
to be said. I I went into my hands.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I believe that I tried to hand you a candy
this morning and you were like you a napkin.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Because I had to get it out of the out
of a box.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
See, it's it's not gonna be the same as.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, so that's completely different. And in till Sunday school
the oh here we go? Where am I going? Line three?
Should I have put my no? Never mind? Never mind?
Hi Elliot in the morning, just me Hi.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Are you a Kotillion child?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (03:02):
My parents taught Katilion.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh got shut?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
So you went whether you liked it or not.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Oh god, you.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Could never get away from it. Oh hey, so but
now can I ask you this? Like Number one, I
bet friends hated a sleep over at your house?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Number two?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
If you like when in hindsight, I'm sure in the
middle of it you were like, Kotillion sucks. In hindsight,
was it beneficial?
Speaker 7 (03:35):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
My parents taught the ballroom dance section of the Kotilion.
They're actually pretty outside of that, they're actually pretty cool
and laid back. But yeah, looking back on it, I'm
really glad I had it. I hated it at the time.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Can I so now I'm a little confused.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I thought Katillion was like manner and like what to
do if you are out at a function or a
fancy dinner or which in.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Order that kind of they think, what are they teaching you?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But who's what do you need ballroom dancing for.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Dinner and dancing.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
No, I have one friend and she and her husband
they took some ballroom dancing thing before they got married,
and now they think it's still fun to do, and
so whenever they're at like another wedding, they'll go out
on the dance floor and do it. And you've never
seen two bigger jackasses in your life.
Speaker 8 (04:40):
No.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
I mean they teach you how to like go and
behave at a wedding. I mean ninety percent of it's
the manners, the you know, the dinner table and things
like that which they teach and then they say, okay,
well now you need to know how to hold yourself
at one of these events, you know, debutante ball, wedding,
you name it.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I've never been to a debutante ball.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I feel like it'd be awesome, though maybe not it
maybe that sounds bad at my age, but.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
With a bunch of sixteen year old yeah granddaughter No.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
No, but I was gonna say, like, I like, I
didn't have any friends who had daughters that were debutante,
so I've never been to one of those. I've been
to more kyans and areas I do all voice notes
from there.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
He said, a lot of private schools do it.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Private schools do Katilian?
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Oh yeah, in the DC area. You know all those
Georgetown pre fully crossed people, so.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Like like Gonzaga does it. Georgetown Prep Council. Yeah right,
Bishop O'Connell, doesn't they teach, They teach how to perform
moral sex in the hallways?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Here we go?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
AnyWho?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
All right, very good, very good, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
The word itself I'm just now learning. Is this eighteenth
century lively French social dance that's what Kittilian was?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh? Really, so you may have gone down to the
inn and met up with a with a young lady
in Katilian, the inn being what it's something in town
in some French town.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, that's some farm or something. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I don't know if people who were doing Katilion were
farm workers.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Line for be anybody, Hi Elliott in the.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Morning down in the seventeen.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I am well, I'm good morning. I am well, thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Very good.
Speaker 9 (06:34):
See there there's a little bit of that Katilian training
there and I didn't even have it. My daughter's been in.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
It, like, been in it for how long.
Speaker 9 (06:43):
She's sixteenth, So she's in tenth grade. She has done
it since fourth grade except for COVID obviously, but you know, especially.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's not like a six week class.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
No, she's done it every year, but it's it's like
from September to like, I don't know, like March and something.
It's like once a month basically, from like September to March,
and then they have like a spring ball at the
end of it. So, yeah, the dancing does come in handy,
but they also do really cool stuff. Like they just
had an outing to Mount Vernon in November and they
(07:21):
went and they that guy can't remember his name, but
he's a mentalist, George Washington. No, no, but there was
a show there and you know, and and so they
went to that.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
They do all kinds of stuff. They go to shows,
they have dinners, you know, they they really do kind
of get them out. They do an interview training how
to you know, speak and you shake hands and you.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Know, make guy contact. I could do that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I never took a continued.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Average grade boy who's looking at his shims.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Right, Okay, he's in sixth grade.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
No, but it's that's what they're teaching him. Make eye contact. Yeah,
I told good firm hand.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I told my boys, looked, when somebody talks to you,
look him in the eyes.
Speaker 9 (08:11):
They do exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (08:13):
Yeah, But take a look at all the kids that
don't you know they're there. They're like staring into space,
staring at their phones. They don't even talk to each other.
And so this, this helps prepare them for the futures.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I could have been a Katilion teacher.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Here's okay, all right, very good. Katillion also teaches you
not to put people down. All right, very good, thank you?
Speaker 7 (08:37):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It sounded complimentary. It sounded very complimentary.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
ABC means you're better at this.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
The yeah, that could be line five.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Hi, elliot in the morning with me. Yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 9 (08:52):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (08:52):
This is that from Fairfax?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 10 (08:55):
I grew up with four siblings in my household. What
katillion was the ultimate form of punishment, and all four
of my siblings they never had to go, and I
was like the good I'm the youngest of four and
they were all like good.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I was good.
Speaker 10 (09:12):
But for some reason, like the other moms in my
seventh grade class, thought it'd be a great idea. Then
all the boys to Katalian In day one, everybody showed
up crying. It was brutal.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
But now that you are, now that you have done it,
now that you're on the other side of it as
an adult, do you look back and go, you know what,
that was a good experience?
Speaker 10 (09:34):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Okay, all right, all right, very good, very good. Here's why,
thank you, sir. Here's why I asked. Remember yesterday and
it even came up again this morning. We were talking
about that French restaurant, La La Bear's Provencal where the
wine got stolen. So we were talking about that, and
(09:56):
remember we learned it's very fancy, it's very formal, you
have to wear a jacket, all those other things. So
somebody sent me this. What is it the sixteen rules
every gentleman should know?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Wait, specifically for eating.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Congratulations, you've scored a reservation. Now you're going to dinner
with that person. You're into meeting their parents or celebrating
an anniversary. Maybe you're sharing a table with your boss,
an important client, or both. Your friend just graduated, got promoted,
or engaged.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It sounds so much like Joe Nolan's Salute to Summer.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Whatever brought you to this table, it's essential at the
Crabs claw to know how to conduct yourself once you're
in there. Good table manners might sound boring and outdated,
but they're really.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
About respect for yourself and your other.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Diners before you get to them. How many of these
do you violate frequently?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I don't think many. I mean there's some that just
seem very outdated to me. Number One, dressed for the
occasion I.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Was talked about yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Rarely is anyone overdressed, and it's much better than being underdressed.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I have changed my tune.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
On that about underdressing and overdressing.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yes, I used to try to dress up if I
was going to a nicer place.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I'm that I listen.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Am I walking into a fancy restaurant in a CAP's jersey?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
No, it's a suersey.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Now? Would I walk in there in jeans and a
T shirt? Yes?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Oh, it is actually a T shirt.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Number one. You don't have to dress up anymore unless
it is like that laber's place, where it's a jacket required.
And if it's excuse me, if it is jacket I
hope on here it says something about not interrupting if
it is a jacket required place, then I would I
would dress up other than that. Does my credit card
(12:10):
work here? Because that's how I'm coming. But it's not
I'm not wearing you.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
It's not just about you. And that's what I think
you always because you've argued this for years, so you
can wear whatever you want, and I think you ruined
the experience for others who are paying a lot of
money to go out to eat.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
How am I ruining it for anybody else?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
It brings down what the restaurant is trying to establish
as it's aesthetic.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
No way, Yes, I'm not bringing down the restaurant.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yes, you're the one part standing out.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah yeah, okay, I may put pants on.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
It makes the night feel less fancy for those who
want it to be a knight on the town.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Stand when someone older than you comes to the table,
shake their hand and introduce yourself if you don't know them.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
But if they're younger and you don't know them, you
don't do anything.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
That's what it sounds like when someone older than you
comes to the table. Now, I will thought you do
that for everyone, not a woman? Well, man, I definitely
I do, and I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
We're spitting on the list. Oh, my god, it hit
my temple and splashed onto my glasses. Is that a kid?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well you got COVID again? No, I do, and I
don't like. For example, for example, at the Caps game
over the weekend, the Sayjack family was there, and I
got up and hugged missus.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Sayjack, Okay, this is not a dinner table.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, we were in the clou Yeah, and they walked.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
They walked your table and yes.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Okay, and as they they didn't sit with us.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But yeah, it was the whole family, Pat, his wife, Maggie,
and his son. So I got up and hugged missus Sajack.
That's katilian.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I don't know if you can use the word that way.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I don't. I don't necessarily always get up, and I
get it if it's somebody younger. I think they mean
like if it's a kid, I'm not getting up. If
if somebody's kid gets there, unless I'm.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Hugging him, that sounds weird.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
No, But like for example, better at the debutop balls.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
No, No, but like like like who's a good like Bigsie,
if his son was with him, I would give his
son a hug. That sounds really awkward.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Now stand when a woman leaves and returns to the table,
that's rarely done anymore. Pull out her chair before she sits.
It's the chivalrous thing to do. That's outdated.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
It's not that it's outdated, it's just like Diane says,
rarely done.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
A lot of this is rarely done. But I would
never ever.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I can't even think like if let's say the say
jack sat down with us, right, and we're sitting there
Jackie and I invited them to sit with us, and
they sat with us, right, and we sat down, And
if Maggie had to go take a piss, you think
I'm getting up well when she goes to take a leak,
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and then when she gets back, I'm standing up here.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Once in a while you'll see someone do it and
you're like, wow, I haven't seen anybody do that in years.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's as shocking as the couple that sits on the
same side of the booth.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
How about if it was just you and Jackie, though,
would you never hear?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
No, I wouldn't even stop eating. I wouldn't. I wouldn't
No phones on the table, outdated, face down, silent, Fine.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
But you're not putting it in like your soup pocket.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I'm not wearing a showhere and a soup.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
No, I would not.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
If he has plenty of pockets on a short see, I.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Would keep it in my front pocket. Or I would
set it down on the table. Either one, and I
think either one would be acceptable. No, you're no phone
at all.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
This isn't a fast food restaurant.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I'm not going to a fast food restaurant. I am
at lo Bear's provencal right. No elbows on the table outdated,
that's outdated. I'm not talking about sitting like this.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
No, that's that is still very much a thing.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
But if I, let's say I turn my chair a
little bit right, because we're just we're conversing. We're talking
here like yeah, no, we're talking about bonds and acquisitions.
Why James, No, But why couldn't I like this? Like
I'm not I'm not leaning on it, but I have
my I'm talking and my elbow is on the table.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
If we're still seated, and this is not up at
a bar, You're we're at a table. You're not turning
like that in my chair. Your shorts, I'm seeing so
much thigh.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I would put my elbow on a table again, I'm
not like sitting like little.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Hell No, when the kids were younger, we developed such
an easy way of me motioning to them to remind
them of what was going on.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Just raised hand and cocked back to slap.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
It was just like a little like two fingers and
just sort of waved them away like they knew what
it was.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I do eye contact, elbow eye contact.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Wait, you get mad at Scott if he puts his elbows.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
On the table, Mary's done.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That does Scott put his elbows on the table. Scott
definitely has a phone on a table face down and
when you get up.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
If we were in a formal situation, I think he
would have it in a suit pocket.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I think if it were formaleh formal ast tucks then yes.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
But then just even just a suit.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
You're talking back tie, that's formal, it would be a suit.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I think it's fifty to fifty. I think who else
is at my table? By the way, if you in.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
My pockets are still sewn shut.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
If we were if you were at a dinner, even
a fancy dinner with Scott and you got up to
take a piss, Scott is not standing up for you
to go bathroom?
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Probably not, and neither are you?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Uh no, but I the answer is no, I would definitely.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Help, And that's fancy help.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I would you could because you can then push the
chair back in for them.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yes, why wouldn't they push their own chair back in?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
That's all when they're scooting the chair.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Oh, once they sit back down. Yes, so you're gonna
get up behind them, No, slide it.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
In, hop it in. I think you can help with
its share? Am I standing upon no departure? You're probably not?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, and forget Lindsey. If we were just at you
were at the club, it was you and me and
the Sajax joined us, and Maggie gets up to take
a piss, you're not sins standing up?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
No, thank you? No hats at the table.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, inside or during any meal.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
We went about backward.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
The No, we were good. We did make the boys
take their hats off during dinner. It hasn't stuck always.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
So you good.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
My hair's a fed up but so nah?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
No, no, but like they know, like if we're at
dinner somewhere, like if we go out somewhere, no hats
at home? Wow? Yeah? Does that bother you no bothers, Jackie.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I'm from the one photo you sent of your younger
one at Thanksgiving. He had had on and I was like,
e tacky.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
He also wasn't at a dinner table.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, he was just waiting on that. Uh, he was
waiting on that voice note from Juliana to finish napkin
on your lap? Yes?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
No, duh?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Always of course always?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Or are they saying not in your shirt?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
No, I'm good about that. I'm good about that everywhere.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Good.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Chew with your mouth closed.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Okay, so much of this like dumb that you have
to point it out.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well. Also back to interrupting and don't speak with your
mouth full, Elliott, I'm fifty to fifty on that. I definitely,
I definitely chew with my mouth closed unless I am
speaking with my mouth full. Everyone already saw your meal
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when it arrived. We don't need to see it again.
Oh Dane, If someone asked for the salt or the pepper,
what do you do.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Pass it to them?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
So?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
If I said, will you pass me the salt, you
pass me the salt. No, you pass them together. Even
if I don't please Tyler.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
The salt I give you both. Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, I didn't either. I had no idea because.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Elliot and I bet you also when asked for the
salt pepper when.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I use it, yeah, I got one second.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
That throwing it over the soul.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Now oh if it spills, that one for good luck.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
If you're asked to pass it and they use it
before they pass it to you, oh, I don't mind that.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
That's why if somebody says pass the bread, you're like
one sex. Yeah, this is they're always together, right, so
if someone asked for them later, it's not like, hey,
is there pepper? Who's got the pepper? It's always with
the salt, didn't No, also, taste your food before you
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season it, right, I've been here enough.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Says the man who puts salt on a salad.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Don't dominate the conversation. Give others a chance to chime in.
I'm good at that.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I'm good at that, A good at dominating.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
No, No, I'm good. I'm good at letting people talk. Okay,
maybe not in this room, but Diana has interrupted me
a thousand times this break. Well, you're because you're not well,
I'm doing katillion.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
He's very Cotilian, river.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Don't blow on hot food.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Because you always do it so like obvious and cartoony.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
No, but I'll tell you sometimes you gotta.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Because it's hot these I can't wait, No.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Because you know what's worse this room team the bite
and then like a ha, and you gotta like put
your hand like a shelf under your mouth. So sometimes
sometimes you gotta blow on it, and I do sometimes.
You know where I'm bad about blowing on food? Soup?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Do you blow on each individual spoonful or your entire
bowler cup?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Oh? Yes, No, no, no individual spoonful because.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
A surface area.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Oh my god, you think.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I'm gonna cool off a pot of soup? No?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Sometimes the tea cups are pretty tiny.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Now you know what I did learn?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Though? How do you how do you spoon soupposed to.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Away away from you?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You know who doesn't? Not this?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Not this guy?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Because sometimes if especially if it's got stuff in it,
you got to use a finger to get it on
to the spoons.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
The yeah, a finger? What for like a dumpling?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
The yeah? Or do you ever you get one tongup?
You ever have to try? You ever try to cut
the wanton in half?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, you think you could do that shoving away. You
got to chop towards you transfer butter to your plate
before you spread.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It on your bread.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Obviously fifty to fifty, fifty to fifty at home.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
No, but out you'll do it.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
No, I'm meant out like sometime out. If I'm with
my family, I'm not putting butter on my plate.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I'll butter my bread.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
What if you're with the Sajax, We're not fancy, We're
not at a fancy place.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
It doesn't matter. That should be done at the most
diveest of dives.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
With the little pad. Well that it's already right there
for you.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Well, yeah, if they're individually wrapped, it's different.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
But shared stand up again, Maggie's going to piss.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
It draws attention to what may be an infection.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, the butter.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I think I'm alright at Like I know, like the
last the last what was the last fancy thing I
was at? I think the last fancy thing I was
at where there was dinner was when I sat with
Ben Andatti at the at the Emmy thing.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
What about the Hope Awards.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Oh I definitely was at that.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Was there food?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, that leans fancier.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I was wearing a suit.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Right. Definitely have my phone out because.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I like to look things up and what if I'm
bidding on something?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
What were your notes for your speech on there too?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
What speech?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Oh you didn't talk at the Hope Awards.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I thought you talked every year.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Oh no I've never talked.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Oh no, I you know what one of my dreams are.
I'd love to be asked to be the host. Hm,
I'd love to be asked to be the host. But
no I. As a matter of fact, I've been shushed
more than I've been asked. No slouching, Yeah I'm bad. Well,
no I'm not. But I don't sit Ramrod.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
You're supposed to like this? Yep, no, straight, not so
not like that, like that, not how you're supposed to.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
This is comfortable.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
That posture of not slouching was like textbook definition slouching
because you dropped every part of your body.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah like this. Do I look slouched right now?
Speaker 8 (26:36):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So I have to sit like this? Oh well, welcome
to stand and sit. Do not blow food? No, like
you you're like a robot like this.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Nobody sits like this.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
But it's not just for your health and the ergonomics.
It also helps for the way you're eating.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Use your overwear to bring the food to you.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yeah, you're not supposed to go face down into your plate.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I know.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Well I use silverware.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Oh, Congress, but you are touching it at your hands, you.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Said, so if I'm just sitting, I'm sitting like this, right,
I'm ramrod as can be, and I'm gonna have my
bite of soup.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yes, I spoon away, so my arm is here.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I gotta get it from there to here.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
No way you should lift the ball, you know what.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You do, lean a little bit and come here.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
No, because then if I dribble, I'm on the table.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Oh there's a lot, and there's a there's an art
to doing it to where you don't seem obvious that
you're trying.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, I've never seemed obvious.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
I'm nearing that.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Hold on, let me check my phone. Know how to
use your silverware? I am good at that. I am
good at that.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
In terms of outside.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Outside in desserts above the plate, I'm good at that.
Remember I'm the one who got on ben Andatti because
he ate his entree with his salad fork. Use your
silverware to signal to wait staff whether you're done or
just pause.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
In terms of like putting your no, no, no, you're
not waving it. Oh my god, No, you put it
on your plate.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Like I use this to signal I'm ready for the.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Check out, isn't it? You putting it on the plate?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I don't know what that means, Like, I just not
in the middle.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You you rested on the edge of the plate. I
thought that's how you did it. For what that signals
that they can come retrieve your plate?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Where do I put my silverware if I'm in between
bites on my plate? So they're gonna come take it away,
I'll break their goddamn hands. Ah well, I don't understand
what that means.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
But you got up to go to the bathroom. That's
why I still hold that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Stand again, Maggie's where is that boot? You sit down
before they come back? Right?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Okay? Oh my god, that's two up and down.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Oh my god, I'm looking this up. What is do
you have to.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
This says place your utensils in a triangle pointing away
from you to signal a pause.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Oh okay, so it's on either side of the plate.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
No, no, it's on the plate, Diane, No, no.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
No, But I'm saying, like, the fork is here and
the knife is on the other side.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
But facing away, but pointing in the middle. Place your
utensils together on the plate. Typically at four o'clock. I
don't even know what that means.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
That signals you're done too early for dinner. What do
they mean by four o'clock?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
It says that they handles that approximately the time and
the times facing up, so there are they're like almost
not a parallel, but the knife blade should point toward
the center of the plate.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You know how they know I'm done because it's empty?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
No, well, first of all, there's nothing left on this plate.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
And you see this. You see what I did here?
You see what I did here? You see my napkin?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I put it right there in the plane.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
You don't Can.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I get a clean napkin for dessert? Also, if you
know you're giving a toast, prepare something beforehand and keep
it brief.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Why your phone work in case I have to give
a speech for my toast.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
So I'm pretty good on that.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I'm about fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
You certainly observe more than I expect thank you.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I'm not an animal.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I go to places now with somebody from Katillion here
that and go, well, let me tell you what they
messed up. They've left a lot out the Oh why
haven't even gotten into the ballroom dancing, not the after
dinner events.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
But there wasn't much outside of don't hog the conversation.
There wasn't much about topics of conversation.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Oh, don't talk about abortion, don't talk about.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The first one on the list. I'm sorry, I'm pre Katillian.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
You hear that? Fifth grader?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Wait? Where am I going? Kristen line line four? Hi,
Elliott the morning?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Hey Elliott? This is Kevin and Chantilla Virginia.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Oh so can I say this?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Where was the last when we went to dinner in Vegas? Right?
That was at the last time we all went to
dinner together. Yeah, when we were at that one restaurant.
I can't even remember the name, Beauty and Essex. If
if I if we in the middle of dinner, Diane
would have gotten up to go to the bathroom and
I stood up. Everybody be like, what are you doing?
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What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I would have looked ridiculous. So don't go ask it
got my back hurts. I'm trying to sit up straight anyway,
I'm sorry, Yes.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Sir, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
So, yeah, I was just I wanted to call. And
I went to Katillion when I was a child, and
and it was kind of a drag at the time,
but it definitely benefited me professionally. And you know, looking
through rose color colored glasses at the time, it was
a time where you knew you were going to see
all the hot girls, and like you could look forward
to it and you got to nail it down at
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the end with the ball.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Like the with the dance, with the dance. Yeah, not
with the ball.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
All right, very good, very good?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And maybe maybe I would maybe I would think differently
if I had to go to a lot of like
business meetings, meetings.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Or dinners both oh two ords, one zone.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, I'm like, if I was having a dinner meeting
or like a business dinner, I don't know that I'm
great at that. I mean I am.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
It also depends are you meeting with Dustin.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Seriously you've never had oh yeah, no, but that's not
a business dinner. We're just talking.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
It is if you're doing business.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
No, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Who are you talking about a meeting with like your
financial advisor? It may not be your job.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I'm not worried business. No. No, I was talking about
like if I went to dinner with like ted Leonsis
and Raoul.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Okay, yeah, like then I've got it.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Like then I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I gotta be a big boy.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I won't wear my hat.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
No, but my phone's out. Can we be happy to
see me in a jersey.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
In case there's a toast, or just say, oh you're bidding.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I'm on the Silent Auction
Katillion. I never took it. My kids never took it.
Now I have friends whose kids took it. Is it
a middle school thing?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I think so it's it's etiquette and right, yeah, but
like when.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You were like, we never did any of that when
I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Now, but do you learn that, like if it's not in,
if it's not in, Like I don't even know who
they took Katilion through?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Is that through a school?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
So pre Katillion is grades K through four, Junior is
five through eight, and high school Katilion is ninth or twelve.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So you have to take it three times?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Well, do you have to be in from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So you you do all of them?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
No, I'm saying, do you have to be in from
the start?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Oh? I have no idea. I have no clue.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
How do you like is Katillion just offered by? Like?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Do you When I say do you go to a school?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't mean the school like you're middle school or
your element entary school or your high school. Do you
go to like an etiquette school? But they just call
it Katillion.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I thought it was a league, like a national organization and.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
The National League of Junior Katilions.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Are you serious?
Speaker 5 (01:15):
And it looks like there's chapters all around.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So where like where would it be if you lived
in Arlington, where would you where would you take it?
Like they host it.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Somewhere Northern Virginia Junior Katilian, Oh god. And then there's
the Ivy Foundation, which is high school ages.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So Ivy Foundation is high school version of Katilion.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
And there's a Capital Cotilion, which is kids who are
even younger.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're like, you wouldn't learn you wouldn't learn katillion stuff?
Like what is what is? Like?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I had friends that did was it CCD?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
That's that's like religious education.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Oh so you wouldn't learn. You wouldn't learn katillion in there?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Now you learn how to properly pray except the Eucharist.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Right, No, but it wouldn't be like yeah, but like
a katillion you learn, don't you learn?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Like I was not a person that had it put
right on my tongue. I just feel like that needs
to be said. I I went into my hands.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I believe that I tried to hand you a candy
this morning and you were like you a napkin.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Because I had to get it out of the out
of a box.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
See, it's it's not gonna be the same as.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, so that's completely different. And in till Sunday school
the oh here we go? Where am I going? Line three?
Should I have put my no? Never mind? Never mind?
Hi Elliot in the morning, just me Hi.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Are you a Kotillion child?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (03:02):
My parents taught Katilion.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh got shut?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
So you went whether you liked it or not.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Oh god, you.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Could never get away from it. Oh hey, so but
now can I ask you this? Like Number one, I
bet friends hated a sleep over at your house?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Number two?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
If you like when in hindsight, I'm sure in the
middle of it you were like, Kotillion sucks. In hindsight,
was it beneficial?
Speaker 7 (03:35):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
My parents taught the ballroom dance section of the Kotilion.
They're actually pretty outside of that, they're actually pretty cool
and laid back. But yeah, looking back on it, I'm
really glad I had it. I hated it at the time.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Can I so now I'm a little confused.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I thought Katillion was like manner and like what to
do if you are out at a function or a
fancy dinner or which in.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Order that kind of they think, what are they teaching you?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But who's what do you need ballroom dancing for.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Dinner and dancing.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
No, I have one friend and she and her husband
they took some ballroom dancing thing before they got married,
and now they think it's still fun to do, and
so whenever they're at like another wedding, they'll go out
on the dance floor and do it. And you've never
seen two bigger jackasses in your life.
Speaker 8 (04:40):
No.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
I mean they teach you how to like go and
behave at a wedding. I mean ninety percent of it's
the manners, the you know, the dinner table and things
like that which they teach and then they say, okay,
well now you need to know how to hold yourself
at one of these events, you know, debutante ball, wedding,
you name it.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I've never been to a debutante ball.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I feel like it'd be awesome, though maybe not it
maybe that sounds bad at my age, but.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
With a bunch of sixteen year old yeah granddaughter No.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
No, but I was gonna say, like, I like, I
didn't have any friends who had daughters that were debutante,
so I've never been to one of those. I've been
to more kyans and areas I do all voice notes
from there.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
He said, a lot of private schools do it.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Private schools do Katilian?
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Oh yeah, in the DC area. You know all those
Georgetown pre fully crossed people, so.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Like like Gonzaga does it. Georgetown Prep Council. Yeah right,
Bishop O'Connell, doesn't they teach, They teach how to perform
moral sex in the hallways?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Here we go?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
AnyWho?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
All right, very good, very good, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
The word itself I'm just now learning. Is this eighteenth
century lively French social dance that's what Kittilian was?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh? Really, so you may have gone down to the
inn and met up with a with a young lady
in Katilian, the inn being what it's something in town
in some French town.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, that's some farm or something. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I don't know if people who were doing Katilion were
farm workers.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Line for be anybody, Hi Elliott in the.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Morning down in the seventeen.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I am well, I'm good morning. I am well, thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Very good.
Speaker 9 (06:34):
See there there's a little bit of that Katilian training
there and I didn't even have it. My daughter's been in.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
It, like, been in it for how long.
Speaker 9 (06:43):
She's sixteenth, So she's in tenth grade. She has done
it since fourth grade except for COVID obviously, but you know, especially.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's not like a six week class.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
No, she's done it every year, but it's it's like
from September to like, I don't know, like March and something.
It's like once a month basically, from like September to March,
and then they have like a spring ball at the
end of it. So, yeah, the dancing does come in handy,
but they also do really cool stuff. Like they just
had an outing to Mount Vernon in November and they
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went and they that guy can't remember his name, but
he's a mentalist, George Washington. No, no, but there was
a show there and you know, and and so they
went to that.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
They do all kinds of stuff. They go to shows,
they have dinners, you know, they they really do kind
of get them out. They do an interview training how
to you know, speak and you shake hands and you.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Know, make guy contact. I could do that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I never took a continued.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Average grade boy who's looking at his shims.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Right, Okay, he's in sixth grade.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
No, but it's that's what they're teaching him. Make eye contact. Yeah,
I told good firm hand.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I told my boys, looked, when somebody talks to you,
look him in the eyes.
Speaker 9 (08:11):
They do exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (08:13):
Yeah, But take a look at all the kids that
don't you know they're there. They're like staring into space,
staring at their phones. They don't even talk to each other.
And so this, this helps prepare them for the futures.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I could have been a Katilion teacher.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Here's okay, all right, very good. Katillion also teaches you
not to put people down. All right, very good, thank you?
Speaker 7 (08:37):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It sounded complimentary. It sounded very complimentary.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
ABC means you're better at this.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
The yeah, that could be line five.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Hi, elliot in the morning with me. Yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 9 (08:52):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (08:52):
This is that from Fairfax?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 10 (08:55):
I grew up with four siblings in my household. What
katillion was the ultimate form of punishment, and all four
of my siblings they never had to go, and I
was like the good I'm the youngest of four and
they were all like good.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I was good.
Speaker 10 (09:12):
But for some reason, like the other moms in my
seventh grade class, thought it'd be a great idea. Then
all the boys to Katalian In day one, everybody showed
up crying. It was brutal.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
But now that you are, now that you have done it,
now that you're on the other side of it as
an adult, do you look back and go, you know what,
that was a good experience?
Speaker 10 (09:34):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Okay, all right, all right, very good, very good. Here's why,
thank you, sir. Here's why I asked. Remember yesterday and
it even came up again this morning. We were talking
about that French restaurant, La La Bear's Provencal where the
wine got stolen. So we were talking about that, and
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remember we learned it's very fancy, it's very formal, you
have to wear a jacket, all those other things. So
somebody sent me this. What is it the sixteen rules
every gentleman should know?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Wait, specifically for eating.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Congratulations, you've scored a reservation. Now you're going to dinner
with that person. You're into meeting their parents or celebrating
an anniversary. Maybe you're sharing a table with your boss,
an important client, or both. Your friend just graduated, got promoted,
or engaged.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It sounds so much like Joe Nolan's Salute to Summer.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Whatever brought you to this table, it's essential at the
Crabs claw to know how to conduct yourself once you're
in there. Good table manners might sound boring and outdated,
but they're really.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
About respect for yourself and your other.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Diners before you get to them. How many of these
do you violate frequently?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I don't think many. I mean there's some that just
seem very outdated to me. Number One, dressed for the
occasion I.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Was talked about yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Rarely is anyone overdressed, and it's much better than being underdressed.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I have changed my tune.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
On that about underdressing and overdressing.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yes, I used to try to dress up if I
was going to a nicer place.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I'm that I listen.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Am I walking into a fancy restaurant in a CAP's jersey?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
No, it's a suersey.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Now? Would I walk in there in jeans and a
T shirt? Yes?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Oh, it is actually a T shirt.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Number one. You don't have to dress up anymore unless
it is like that laber's place, where it's a jacket required.
And if it's excuse me, if it is jacket I
hope on here it says something about not interrupting if
it is a jacket required place, then I would I
would dress up other than that. Does my credit card
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work here? Because that's how I'm coming. But it's not
I'm not wearing you.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
It's not just about you. And that's what I think
you always because you've argued this for years, so you
can wear whatever you want, and I think you ruined
the experience for others who are paying a lot of
money to go out to eat.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
How am I ruining it for anybody else?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
It brings down what the restaurant is trying to establish
as it's aesthetic.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
No way, Yes, I'm not bringing down the restaurant.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yes, you're the one part standing out.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah yeah, okay, I may put pants on.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
It makes the night feel less fancy for those who
want it to be a knight on the town.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Stand when someone older than you comes to the table,
shake their hand and introduce yourself if you don't know them.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
But if they're younger and you don't know them, you
don't do anything.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
That's what it sounds like when someone older than you
comes to the table. Now, I will thought you do
that for everyone, not a woman? Well, man, I definitely
I do, and I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
We're spitting on the list. Oh, my god, it hit
my temple and splashed onto my glasses. Is that a kid?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well you got COVID again? No, I do, and I
don't like. For example, for example, at the Caps game
over the weekend, the Sayjack family was there, and I
got up and hugged missus.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Sayjack, Okay, this is not a dinner table.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, we were in the clou Yeah, and they walked.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
They walked your table and yes.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Okay, and as they they didn't sit with us.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But yeah, it was the whole family, Pat, his wife, Maggie,
and his son. So I got up and hugged missus Sajack.
That's katilian.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I don't know if you can use the word that way.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I don't. I don't necessarily always get up, and I
get it if it's somebody younger. I think they mean
like if it's a kid, I'm not getting up. If
if somebody's kid gets there, unless I'm.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Hugging him, that sounds weird.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
No, But like for example, better at the debutop balls.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
No, No, but like like like who's a good like Bigsie,
if his son was with him, I would give his
son a hug. That sounds really awkward.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Now stand when a woman leaves and returns to the table,
that's rarely done anymore. Pull out her chair before she sits.
It's the chivalrous thing to do. That's outdated.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
It's not that it's outdated, it's just like Diane says,
rarely done.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
A lot of this is rarely done. But I would
never ever.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I can't even think like if let's say the say
jack sat down with us, right, and we're sitting there
Jackie and I invited them to sit with us, and
they sat with us, right, and we sat down, And
if Maggie had to go take a piss, you think
I'm getting up well when she goes to take a leak,
(15:45):
and then when she gets back, I'm standing up here.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Once in a while you'll see someone do it and
you're like, wow, I haven't seen anybody do that in years.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's as shocking as the couple that sits on the
same side of the booth.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
How about if it was just you and Jackie, though,
would you never hear?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
No, I wouldn't even stop eating. I wouldn't. I wouldn't
No phones on the table, outdated, face down, silent, Fine.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
But you're not putting it in like your soup pocket.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I'm not wearing a showhere and a soup.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
No, I would not.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
If he has plenty of pockets on a short see, I.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Would keep it in my front pocket. Or I would
set it down on the table. Either one, and I
think either one would be acceptable. No, you're no phone
at all.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
This isn't a fast food restaurant.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I'm not going to a fast food restaurant. I am
at lo Bear's provencal right. No elbows on the table outdated,
that's outdated. I'm not talking about sitting like this.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
No, that's that is still very much a thing.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
But if I, let's say I turn my chair a
little bit right, because we're just we're conversing. We're talking
here like yeah, no, we're talking about bonds and acquisitions.
Why James, No, But why couldn't I like this? Like
I'm not I'm not leaning on it, but I have
my I'm talking and my elbow is on the table.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
If we're still seated, and this is not up at
a bar, You're we're at a table. You're not turning
like that in my chair. Your shorts, I'm seeing so
much thigh.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I would put my elbow on a table again, I'm
not like sitting like little.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Hell No, when the kids were younger, we developed such
an easy way of me motioning to them to remind
them of what was going on.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Just raised hand and cocked back to slap.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
It was just like a little like two fingers and
just sort of waved them away like they knew what
it was.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I do eye contact, elbow eye contact.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Wait, you get mad at Scott if he puts his elbows.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
On the table, Mary's done.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That does Scott put his elbows on the table. Scott
definitely has a phone on a table face down and
when you get up.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
If we were in a formal situation, I think he
would have it in a suit pocket.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I think if it were formaleh formal ast tucks then yes.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
But then just even just a suit.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
You're talking back tie, that's formal, it would be a suit.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I think it's fifty to fifty. I think who else
is at my table? By the way, if you in.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
My pockets are still sewn shut.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
If we were if you were at a dinner, even
a fancy dinner with Scott and you got up to
take a piss, Scott is not standing up for you
to go bathroom?
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Probably not, and neither are you?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Uh no, but I the answer is no, I would definitely.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Help, And that's fancy help.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I would you could because you can then push the
chair back in for them.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yes, why wouldn't they push their own chair back in?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
That's all when they're scooting the chair.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Oh, once they sit back down. Yes, so you're gonna
get up behind them, No, slide it.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
In, hop it in. I think you can help with
its share? Am I standing upon no departure? You're probably not?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, and forget Lindsey. If we were just at you
were at the club, it was you and me and
the Sajax joined us, and Maggie gets up to take
a piss, you're not sins standing up?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
No, thank you? No hats at the table.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, inside or during any meal.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
We went about backward.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
The No, we were good. We did make the boys
take their hats off during dinner. It hasn't stuck always.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
So you good.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
My hair's a fed up but so nah?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
No, no, but like they know, like if we're at
dinner somewhere, like if we go out somewhere, no hats
at home? Wow? Yeah? Does that bother you no bothers, Jackie.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I'm from the one photo you sent of your younger
one at Thanksgiving. He had had on and I was like,
e tacky.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
He also wasn't at a dinner table.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, he was just waiting on that. Uh, he was
waiting on that voice note from Juliana to finish napkin
on your lap? Yes?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
No, duh?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Always of course always?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Or are they saying not in your shirt?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
No, I'm good about that. I'm good about that everywhere.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Good.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Chew with your mouth closed.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Okay, so much of this like dumb that you have
to point it out.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well. Also back to interrupting and don't speak with your
mouth full, Elliott, I'm fifty to fifty on that. I definitely,
I definitely chew with my mouth closed unless I am
speaking with my mouth full. Everyone already saw your meal
(21:00):
when it arrived. We don't need to see it again.
Oh Dane, If someone asked for the salt or the pepper,
what do you do.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Pass it to them?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
So?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
If I said, will you pass me the salt, you
pass me the salt. No, you pass them together. Even
if I don't please Tyler.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
The salt I give you both. Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, I didn't either. I had no idea because.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Elliot and I bet you also when asked for the
salt pepper when.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I use it, yeah, I got one second.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
That throwing it over the soul.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Now oh if it spills, that one for good luck.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
If you're asked to pass it and they use it
before they pass it to you, oh, I don't mind that.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
That's why if somebody says pass the bread, you're like
one sex. Yeah, this is they're always together, right, so
if someone asked for them later, it's not like, hey,
is there pepper? Who's got the pepper? It's always with
the salt, didn't No, also, taste your food before you
(22:13):
season it, right, I've been here enough.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Says the man who puts salt on a salad.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Don't dominate the conversation. Give others a chance to chime in.
I'm good at that.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I'm good at that, A good at dominating.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
No, No, I'm good. I'm good at letting people talk. Okay,
maybe not in this room, but Diana has interrupted me
a thousand times this break. Well, you're because you're not well,
I'm doing katillion.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
He's very Cotilian, river.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Don't blow on hot food.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Because you always do it so like obvious and cartoony.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
No, but I'll tell you sometimes you gotta.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Because it's hot these I can't wait, No.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Because you know what's worse this room team the bite
and then like a ha, and you gotta like put
your hand like a shelf under your mouth. So sometimes
sometimes you gotta blow on it, and I do sometimes.
You know where I'm bad about blowing on food? Soup?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Do you blow on each individual spoonful or your entire
bowler cup?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Oh? Yes, No, no, no individual spoonful because.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
A surface area.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Oh my god, you think.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I'm gonna cool off a pot of soup? No?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Sometimes the tea cups are pretty tiny.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Now you know what I did learn?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Though? How do you how do you spoon soupposed to.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Away away from you?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You know who doesn't? Not this?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Not this guy?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Because sometimes if especially if it's got stuff in it,
you got to use a finger to get it on
to the spoons.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
The yeah, a finger? What for like a dumpling?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
The yeah? Or do you ever you get one tongup?
You ever have to try? You ever try to cut
the wanton in half?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, you think you could do that shoving away. You
got to chop towards you transfer butter to your plate
before you spread.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It on your bread.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Obviously fifty to fifty, fifty to fifty at home.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
No, but out you'll do it.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
No, I'm meant out like sometime out. If I'm with
my family, I'm not putting butter on my plate.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I'll butter my bread.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
What if you're with the Sajax, We're not fancy, We're
not at a fancy place.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
It doesn't matter. That should be done at the most
diveest of dives.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
With the little pad. Well that it's already right there
for you.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Well, yeah, if they're individually wrapped, it's different.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
But shared stand up again, Maggie's going to piss.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
It draws attention to what may be an infection.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, the butter.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I think I'm alright at Like I know, like the
last the last what was the last fancy thing I
was at? I think the last fancy thing I was
at where there was dinner was when I sat with
Ben Andatti at the at the Emmy thing.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
What about the Hope Awards.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Oh I definitely was at that.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Was there food?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, that leans fancier.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I was wearing a suit.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Right. Definitely have my phone out because.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I like to look things up and what if I'm
bidding on something?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
What were your notes for your speech on there too?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
What speech?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Oh you didn't talk at the Hope Awards.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I thought you talked every year.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Oh no I've never talked.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Oh no, I you know what one of my dreams are.
I'd love to be asked to be the host. Hm,
I'd love to be asked to be the host. But
no I. As a matter of fact, I've been shushed
more than I've been asked. No slouching, Yeah I'm bad. Well,
no I'm not. But I don't sit Ramrod.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
You're supposed to like this? Yep, no, straight, not so
not like that, like that, not how you're supposed to.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
This is comfortable.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
That posture of not slouching was like textbook definition slouching
because you dropped every part of your body.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah like this. Do I look slouched right now?
Speaker 8 (26:36):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So I have to sit like this? Oh well, welcome
to stand and sit. Do not blow food? No, like
you you're like a robot like this.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Nobody sits like this.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
But it's not just for your health and the ergonomics.
It also helps for the way you're eating.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Use your overwear to bring the food to you.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yeah, you're not supposed to go face down into your plate.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I know.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Well I use silverware.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Oh, Congress, but you are touching it at your hands, you.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Said, so if I'm just sitting, I'm sitting like this, right,
I'm ramrod as can be, and I'm gonna have my
bite of soup.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yes, I spoon away, so my arm is here.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I gotta get it from there to here.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
No way you should lift the ball, you know what.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You do, lean a little bit and come here.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
No, because then if I dribble, I'm on the table.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Oh there's a lot, and there's a there's an art
to doing it to where you don't seem obvious that
you're trying.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, I've never seemed obvious.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
I'm nearing that.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Hold on, let me check my phone. Know how to
use your silverware? I am good at that. I am
good at that.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
In terms of outside.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Outside in desserts above the plate, I'm good at that.
Remember I'm the one who got on ben Andatti because
he ate his entree with his salad fork. Use your
silverware to signal to wait staff whether you're done or
just pause.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
In terms of like putting your no, no, no, you're
not waving it. Oh my god, No, you put it
on your plate.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Like I use this to signal I'm ready for the.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Check out, isn't it? You putting it on the plate?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I don't know what that means, Like, I just not
in the middle.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You you rested on the edge of the plate. I
thought that's how you did it. For what that signals
that they can come retrieve your plate?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Where do I put my silverware if I'm in between
bites on my plate? So they're gonna come take it away,
I'll break their goddamn hands. Ah well, I don't understand
what that means.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
But you got up to go to the bathroom. That's
why I still hold that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Stand again, Maggie's where is that boot? You sit down
before they come back? Right?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Okay? Oh my god, that's two up and down.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Oh my god, I'm looking this up. What is do
you have to.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
This says place your utensils in a triangle pointing away
from you to signal a pause.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Oh okay, so it's on either side of the plate.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
No, no, it's on the plate, Diane, No, no.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
No, But I'm saying, like, the fork is here and
the knife is on the other side.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
But facing away, but pointing in the middle. Place your
utensils together on the plate. Typically at four o'clock. I
don't even know what that means.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
That signals you're done too early for dinner. What do
they mean by four o'clock?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
It says that they handles that approximately the time and
the times facing up, so there are they're like almost
not a parallel, but the knife blade should point toward
the center of the plate.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You know how they know I'm done because it's empty?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
No, well, first of all, there's nothing left on this plate.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
And you see this. You see what I did here?
You see what I did here? You see my napkin?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I put it right there in the plane.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
You don't Can.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I get a clean napkin for dessert? Also, if you
know you're giving a toast, prepare something beforehand and keep
it brief.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Why your phone work in case I have to give
a speech for my toast.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
So I'm pretty good on that.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I'm about fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
You certainly observe more than I expect thank you.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I'm not an animal.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I go to places now with somebody from Katillion here
that and go, well, let me tell you what they
messed up. They've left a lot out the Oh why
haven't even gotten into the ballroom dancing, not the after
dinner events.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
But there wasn't much outside of don't hog the conversation.
There wasn't much about topics of conversation.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Oh, don't talk about abortion, don't talk about.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The first one on the list. I'm sorry, I'm pre Katillian.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
You hear that? Fifth grader?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Wait? Where am I going? Kristen line line four? Hi,
Elliott the morning?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Hey Elliott? This is Kevin and Chantilla Virginia.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Oh so can I say this?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Where was the last when we went to dinner in Vegas? Right?
That was at the last time we all went to
dinner together. Yeah, when we were at that one restaurant.
I can't even remember the name, Beauty and Essex. If
if I if we in the middle of dinner, Diane
would have gotten up to go to the bathroom and
I stood up. Everybody be like, what are you doing?
(32:07):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I would have looked ridiculous. So don't go ask it
got my back hurts. I'm trying to sit up straight anyway,
I'm sorry, Yes.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Sir, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
So, yeah, I was just I wanted to call. And
I went to Katillion when I was a child, and
and it was kind of a drag at the time,
but it definitely benefited me professionally. And you know, looking
through rose color colored glasses at the time, it was
a time where you knew you were going to see
all the hot girls, and like you could look forward
to it and you got to nail it down at
(32:39):
the end with the ball.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Like the with the dance, with the dance. Yeah, not
with the ball.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
All right, very good, very good?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And maybe maybe I would maybe I would think differently
if I had to go to a lot of like
business meetings, meetings.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Or dinners both oh two ords, one zone.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, I'm like, if I was having a dinner meeting
or like a business dinner, I don't know that I'm
great at that. I mean I am.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
It also depends are you meeting with Dustin.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Seriously you've never had oh yeah, no, but that's not
a business dinner. We're just talking.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
It is if you're doing business.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
No, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Who are you talking about a meeting with like your
financial advisor? It may not be your job.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I'm not worried business. No. No, I was talking about
like if I went to dinner with like ted Leonsis
and Raoul.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Okay, yeah, like then I've got it.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Like then I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I gotta be a big boy.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I won't wear my hat.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
No, but my phone's out. Can we be happy to
see me in a jersey.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
In case there's a toast, or just say, oh you're bidding.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I'm on the Silent Auction
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