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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Christian, will you do me a favor? Will you
do me a favor?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Will you find me somebody who has ever been to
a what are they like?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Fortune teller? Is that the right term?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
There's many different types. What do you mean that's a
massive umbrella. You can tell someone's fortune through many different ways, Christian.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Just figure it out.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Look at Chris. Unless she was suggesting a massive crystal ball.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
No, what she's doing is mocking you.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Remember yesterday when you were demonstrative you got bit.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
You should have seen it after the show when she
was showing me her knives.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, you know she had seven knives in this building?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Is like a machete.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Okay, that's overstated.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Is that thing not? At least we took down. It's invasive,
it's longer than foot.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I don't know, I don't know, no, but just like
if you were to go see a fortune teller, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
I'm like a palm reader. No, no, oh, I don't
know astrology, yeah, numerology and what's the one where they
used the weather?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Weather ology? Christoph, what are you doing the crystal ball? Yeah? Okay,
it's not the.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Wizard of All. Oh, no, I don't you know what
I'll be I'll be very honest.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I don't I think just by reading you like, what
is that called?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Like, I don't know you know what? No, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
When Joe and I went to see Bessie, what did
she do? Was that palm? I don't even remember.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Wasn't she eighty three years old?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Now?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Or was she? Was it eight three or four eighty three?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You're right, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I have no idea. I know I know now it's heavenology.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I know she said Scott was going to write a book.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Is that me?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Either way? Yeah, I ain't gonna write, ain't gonna read.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
That's not I wrote. I read two books for pleasure
over vacation.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
You read two books, two books.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Which was almost with the second one which was no,
it's not it's not a little dinky like like no,
but I mean like short Meltzer books. No, it's not.
It's not a kid's book. One is called five Years
and the one I'm almost done with is called the
(02:42):
most fun We Ever let them.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Oh, it sounds like you didn't read two full books, Diana.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Okay, I've got like, like, uh, maybe like forty pages
left on the second one. It's pretty good to do
two books in a week.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I would know I read notebooks in a week, Bessie.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
All right, I'm gonna look at I'm gonna find my
bestie notes. Oh I know I saved them. Why would
you save that to see if it comes true?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Oh? So you think Scott's still gonna write a book.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh he had his whole life to do that. Yeah,
Oh I thought it.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Was anything, not anything?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Zero chance?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Did she say I was gonna run for public office?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Also? Zero chance? That zero two more of a chance
Scott writes a book.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I'm gonna find my Bessie notes today and put y'all
to shame.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
All right, No, I don't know, To be honest, I
don't know what the I don't know what the answer
is to that, Like how like what kind.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Of fortune is? Right?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It could be okay, So they just give me anybody,
any kind of fortune teller, any kind of fortune teller, please,
eight six six to Elliot eight six six two three
five five four six eight. I don't care what kind
of fortune teller you've been to, but I just need
somebody who's been to a fortune teller eight six six
to Elliot eight six six two, three, five, five, four,
six eight, Hi Elliott in the morning.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Hello, Hey, who's this Hey David? Where are you calling
me from?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Excellent?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You have been to a fortune teller? Yes, how long ago?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
It's been a while maybe next six seven years?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And you went why.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
I was young and we just saw the spine and
we just stopped.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, yeah, so you just went because you were you
were just being stupid.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
We were we'd been drinking, we were high, and we
went to uh yeah exactly. And what kind of did
you did you do? Tarot cards, palm reading? Okay, Kristin,
can somebody tell Christin? None of these shops have a
big crystal ball they do?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Where's something they do even if it's just for decorations.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, Christin is like like spinning the clouds inside of this.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, well eye of Newts.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Wing of wing of Newts whatever, guy is more no
appropriate because news don't have wings.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh sure anyway, anyway, anyway, sir, so you you all
went in, what did they do?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
A palm reading and a crystal reading?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Oh and what did you learn.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
That I needed to concentrate on myself and learning?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
When's your book come out?
Speaker 8 (05:29):
Guy?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Who called about the health stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And then what did you? What did you?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
What did and then you left and it was no
big deal and you've never done anything with it or
thought about it or anything like that.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Incorrect. I actually followed what she said.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
What do you mean you followed what she said?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I went ahead and tried out to learn new things
to see what I was like, you know, doing and
did it lgitating with myself was like working on my health,
mental health, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And how is that work?
Speaker 8 (05:56):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Have you only seen her once? Or do you go
back now?
Speaker 8 (06:02):
No?
Speaker 7 (06:02):
So I just kind of like brushed it off at
the moment, but I kind of like followed what she said.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So interesting and but but but but you found them
to be very like helpful. Even though it was just
like a stupid thing you and your friends were doing,
it actually helped you.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Do you get offended?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And I'm not listen, everybody's gonna believe in what they
want to believe in. But like when people go like, oh,
this asichouse, I was.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Like, this is not helpful. I was like, this is keeping.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, I know, but now you're into it.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Kind of.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh, you're interesting to me. Can I ask you this?
What if?
Speaker 8 (06:44):
What?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Okay, So now you're kind of into it. Would if
you let's let's just say you went back and they said, hey, listen,
I see something bad and I can help you fix it.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Would you trust them enough to go along with it?
Speaker 7 (07:02):
So I'm throw in for another loose.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
My wife does taro reading?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Wait? Your wife does tarot reading?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (07:09):
I've never had to read from you or anything. Because
I I like to believe that I believe what I believe,
if that makes sense. I don't like people tell them
what I should believe or what might happen.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Does your wife it's kind of pretty.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
Does you in your life a little bit?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Now? Does your wife ever tell you I had a
client today and something bad is going to happen to them?
Speaker 8 (07:35):
Kind of?
Speaker 5 (07:36):
But it's never been to like, oh you're in danger,
you're gonna die or you're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So where does your wife do tarot card reading?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well?
Speaker 7 (07:48):
She just does it online people that she meets sometimes. Again,
she's kind of taking a break from it right now, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Interesting? Interesting, All right, very good, very good. Impreciate it.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Thank you. That was not expecting that even though it
was to be a tarot.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Card necessarily like the true sort of interpretation of what
he learned. He still like stopped down and like worked
on himself.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
When does it cross a line from being a fun
bit to being criminal?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Do you have one of these stories? I'm always fascinated
by criminal criminal like if they try to extort money
from you or.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, but what is it? Is it criminal?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I mean, yes, that they're extorting money from you, Yes,
obviously that's.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Beyond you willing to give like the twenty bucks to
sit down.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
But yeah, but if you gave him twenty bucks to
sit down and they said, oh, hey, I see I
see you know.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Whatever, I'm going to need another forty.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They may see something good, Oh I see something that
looks really positive.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Let's have a follow up reading.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And now it's twenty dollars and they're like, oh, you
know what for for let's do the extra time it's
fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So like now they're getting money out of you.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Or it could be something bad of like, oh, I'm
seeing something bad here, I want to really investigate that.
Let's set up so i'd cost you fifty bucks.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But it can either be good or bad. But they're
still getting money out of you.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
To me, it's very subjective, But at.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
What point does it become criminal.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Or does it always fall into the category of, well,
you were the stupid idiot who gave.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Them all the money.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You could argue the whole thing is, Yes, criminal is
a totally I'm not rigged, but a total con.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't think it holds up, but someone could. Certainly.
I'd listen to the argument and.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Believe somebody listen.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
If you don't believe in any of that stuff, then
you think the whole thing is you know what you
think it is. And I'm not saying this to be
to be a dick, but you know what it is.
We're all out for a fun night out. They're going
to read our cards. It's wrestling like it's not it's no, no, no,
it's just for entertainment.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's just for it's just for entertainment.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's fun. They don't really know or do anything, so
it doesn't matter. But we're out having.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Anything because they know everything and do everything.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
No, No, I'm saying it's for entertainment. It's for entertainment,
sports entertainment. Yes, and they know I understand they don't
they don't choreograph the fights, but they know what the
outcome is going to be.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But I'm just saying that it is it is.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's not real sports. It's entertainment, right, But it's sports entertainment. Fine,
So if you were to say that fortune telling it
is there, they're going to tell you your your fortune, You're
going to write a book, Scott's Reading three or whatever
it is.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But it's for entertainment.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So then if you say that, at no point.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Is it criminal?
Speaker 9 (10:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
No, But that's what I'm asking. When does it become
a crime.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Because over the years you do see stories and I
can't remember any of the reasons why these fortune tellers
have come under fire or have been charged. But this
won't be If you have one in front of you,
this won't be the first or last time.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Pamela Olfi was arrested on Thursday evening in charge with
one count of grand larceny and two counts of fraudulent accosting.
M She scammed a woman out of tens of thousands
of dollars, claiming that the victim's son would die if
the mom didn't pay to lift a generational curse.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Oh god, Okay, who's But who's at fault? Who's at fault?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Is it the idiot victim's or is it the idiot
fortune teller?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But what'd you say? Fraudulent accosting? As this says you
read that? Say again, didn't you read fraudulent accosting?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, two counts a fraudulent a costing. The guy who
invested gated the case has worked with federal investigators in
police departments in twelve states on fortune teller cases and
has helped recover over twelve million dollars. Invit invoking psychic
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powers is illegal. People go into a police precinct, they're
told it's a civil matter. It's a civil matter, but
it's not a civil matter. It is a criminal one.
There is a law on the books in many states
it is illegal to take money to practice quote occult powers.
Fortune telling is a Class B misdemeanor punishable by up
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to ninety days in jail. However, it is a law
that is rarely enforced. So does that mean all of
these places, like that guy's wife, it's illegal.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Or or does it depend on the state disclaim? Also,
like this is for entertainment purpose? Like did you have
to even pay Bessie, Diane, I can answer that question.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Go ahead, so, well, you and Joe did go see
her again the first time? The answer was no, the
first time Bessie, Bessie came in and did all of us.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
You and Joe went back to Bessie. I don't know
if you paid the second time.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I don't remember. I would imagine we did.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, when she committed a class B felony.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Come on during the first reading, did she tell you
about a generational curse? No? Is that why you went back?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Or did I just go back because Joe wanted to go.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Definitely wanted to go, and you were into.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It really fortunately fun stop in the ones off of
like Wisconsin Avenue. We were high school all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, because you were drunk.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Any age and go to one, we were definitely in
high school.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I don't think Madam Natalie was a stickler for age.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Is there an age like to pop into one of
those stores? I would think not Like to me, the
whole thing is just for entertainment.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I don't believe in any of it, but there are
people who do.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
This woman thought there was a generational curse on her son.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
She had a little she had a little booth set up.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
This woman walked by and she was like, oh, excuse me,
and the woman looked at her.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
She goes, I, oh, oh, she got a bad vibe
from her.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, she read her aura.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, the thank you and then they and she ended
up telling you, Now, maybe this is where it turns criminal.
The woman said, I need fifty some thousand dollars from you.
Money is the is the is the something of all evil,
root of all evil. Thank you give me the money.
I'm going to clean it and I'll give it back
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to you. Okay, okay, well okay, but now who I
feel like you're you're you're on the woman. They said
that her son had a generational curse. So the woman
was like, oh my god, something's going to happen to
my kid.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, I mean it's awful that people would be gullible
like that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But you just described exactly what you said. The charge was, yeah,
rodulent accosting. This isn't someone who walked into a place
of business right and put the money down, but this
was somebody coming up to her on the street.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But fortune telling as a rule is a class being misdemeanor,
and you can use that law when it can be,
But I don't think it has to be a costing
nailed to this on this one.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, this one's pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
This one's bad, by the way, Diane.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But there are people, by the way, who will go,
this woman's just dumb, Like seriously, you're gonna give her
money and she's gonna go wash it and give it
back to you.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
But you can say that about anyone who's scammed online
that they should know better and see like the people.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Who were like I gave all my money to Brad Pitt, Okay,
like he wants to date you?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Is it Missus Natalie of Georgetown Diane, No, I was
definitely Madam.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So is missus the daughter because that person is still
open for business.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
On Wisconsin Avenue?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yes? Or did Madam get busted and came back?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Maybe Madam has passed.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
The Oh I'm maybe three years old.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I mean, I'm maybe three years old. I don't remember
her as being a young person, right, Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, I mean maybe maybe she's just riding that name.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I don't miss you's got to make the rent. Imagine
that on Wisconsin Avenue.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Missus Natalie does respond to some of the Google reviews.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Oh oh god, is she putting hexes on people.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Because they enjoy your house of horrors?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
The most recent one says, a waste of money telling
me about my past. I know it all better than
anyone else. She got everything wrong. Ask more questions than
gave answers. I came to ask about the future, but
got standard answers.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You will have lumps.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Sorry you're reading. Disappointed your reading? It is revealed past
president and future Missus Natalie usually asked questions to find
out what area of life you want to find more
about if you like to come by for another reading
at no charge, that we can focus on the exact
or in exactly what you want to know or what
lies in your future service.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I see a green shoe.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
You would suck.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Whatever, dude, I just built you in. I don't know
some eighty three year old woman told you were going
to write a book. Hi Elliott the morning, Yeah, Hi.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Who's this?
Speaker 8 (17:56):
This is Tori in Arlington.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yes, Tory, you've been to a uh like a fortune teller.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Yes, I've been going my whole life, but when I
moved here, I actually started going to Miss Natalie's daughter,
who is still in business on Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Oh, there you go. That's her, that's missus. That's awesome.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Yes, yeah her. I've never seen miss Natalie, but I've
seen her daughter. But I have gone to psychics my
whole life. I got to a point where it's super toxic.
I couldn't make a decision in my life without talking
to a psychic first. So until I came to the
realization that it was ridiculous. After one definitely abused the
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situation and charged me way too much money because you know,
you're in low points and they tell you, hey, we
can do this, we can do that, but you think
that they can and then you pay it and then
you're like, what am I doing? They absolutely cannot help
me with this? This is my problem.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Can I can I ask you this, like when you
said one one like got abusive with it, like in
what way?
Speaker 8 (19:02):
Like with money, Like, Okay, if you pay me five
hundred dollars, we can do chakra realignment and I'm going
to give you these crystals. And like what you're saying,
is it criminal? Because they they feed off of you
being desperate and just think that they can charge whatever
they'd like.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
How much money were you spending Okay, Uh, that one.
Speaker 8 (19:28):
I the most I spent, which I am not proud
to admit with five hundred. But I didn't go past that,
but he wanted to. I was like when I was
just like, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Were you following the were you following their advice on decisions.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
When they seemed fit? But they were just like, I'm
thinking about leaving my job. And then they like they
say a lot of the times, I've had a lot
of luck where they say the truth, like can read
it without me saying anything. My mom actually had us
start going to psychics when we were younger because we've
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had like a lot of luck with them. Someone told
my grandmother she was gonna have four kids. She only
had three, and then a few years later she ended
up adopting my uncle. And then a psychic once told
my mom, hey, you're going to have really good luck
on this day, and so my mom didn't know what
it was, but she just played the lotto. We won
like five thousand dollars. So things like that weren't a
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big deal. I also abused it by taking it way
too far and using it too much.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So like when you look back at it, though, like
if somebody were to say so, and I'm not trying
to I'm not trying to be mean. Was she was
she taking advantage of you? Or were you being stupid?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
I think it was equal part, Like I was definitely
being stupid because anyone would be like, why would you
trust that person? Like why would you go to a psychic?
One hundred percent? I should have just stopped.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Right, But also her to like taking advantage of Sure, yeah,
of course, like you're.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Broken and I'm going to fix you.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
By the way, I'll do that for you for free.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Okay, Yeah, you let me know your next big decision.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I'll help you. All right, very good, very good. Thank you, ma'am,
thank you. But you see what I mean, Like people,
I'm sure people are like, oh my god, this wasn't.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Even she says it. You feel stupid?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Does she say she was still those seeing?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, I thought she said she was done. Oh she
had stuff I thought. I thought I thought she said
she was done.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
But do you remember the girl that I dated for
a really long time, yeah, Shannon, Yes, Her mom and
aunt were heavy into psychics.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, heavy like the nine ones or like actual.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
No no going in person.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
They would make appointments to meet this woman and they'd
be like, oh, you have to book months ahead of time.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Did they ever get like advice that sort of seemed
right or a reading that was.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I never saw anything in their life where I was like, wow,
thank god you listened to Miss Chi or whatever her
name was. But yeah, they would go to her house
in like some real Asian part of Houston.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
And through what in manners were fortunes being told what
do you mean? Was it tarot cards? Was it palm reading?
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Crystal not not crystal balls, but crystal this sad does
crystal ball?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Or you would have to yes, I see Kristin. Or
they would bring her. They would bring her a piece.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Of jewelry like from a loved one.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
No, like from their house.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Well it's Sam saying, Or is it from like oh
this was my great great grandma?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
No, no, it was like their own ring or something.
They were also into like turquoise and stuff. But the uh,
but they would bring like a ring in miss miss Chi.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I think that was her name, some Asian woman, but
the but she would she would hold their ring and
then tell them. But yeah, no, they were heavy into it,
heavy like they would get all dressed up, like Miss
Chi would tell them, and they would get all dressed
up to go see him.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Would they like specifically or purposely leave like a piece
of jewelry off to see if that might give her
a clue about something? You know what I mean, like, oh,
I don't want her to think that I have money,
so I'm not gonna wear my ring, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the
answer is yes. Yeah, I don't think the answer is yes.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So people, I don't know this as a like a tactic.
People will walk in and be very very dressed down.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh I don't I don't know. I just know you're
easily no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Misschi asked them to ask them to so they would
get very dressed up. They treated it like they were
going like they weren't. Diane just walking up and down
Wisconsin Avenue with half of her Krgenie sticking out. It
was like they were they were getting dressed up to
go see the fortune teller.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
And was this ever addressed with them by their daughter
and niece.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
So she didn't care, Shannon, Yeah, no, like he live
your life. So she just sat them and they weren't
wrapped up in it.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
She well, no, she definitely thought they were wrapped up
in it too much. I think she was concerned, but
not like anything bad was happening. But it would be like, oh,
we have to make our next appointment. We have to
drive to her house. And Shannon was like that sounds
odd that you're going to your house and I was like,
I'm just high, so who cares. But the but yeah,
I mean it was very She was concerned, but like
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they weren't like giving up money and all that other stuff,
but they were in.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Were they ever late for an appointment?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Well, I don't think so good because.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Missus Natalie does not mess with people who are late time.
Really mm hmmview. Yeah. By the way, if he needs
some entertainment today, I've read the Google reviews for bar
A and Lake Como.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, it is not bar A in Lake Como, it
is in Belmar.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I read him over the break and their accused often
of being racist, and they respond with lol.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Ohays the best way to respond. Hi Elliott in the morning.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Hey, how's it going, got a I got a psychic
story for you? Yeah, go ahead, Okay, So Tyler Hoya sachsabuddy.
This happened at Georgetown my junior year. I was class
of two thousand and five English professor named doctor Wayne Nole.
Hard class to get into because he had this this
wife that would come in and do one lecture each semester.
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So I'm like, all right, I gotta go check it out.
I go to the lecture. His wife, her name is
Beatrice and Demi Noel, used to be a Jesuit and
he like left being a Jesuit to marry this lady.
So she's coming to her little talk. She said she's
had this ability for you know, her whole life. This
and that. She starts having students come up to get
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their readings done. Kids come up, they give her a
bracelet and necklace. She starts talking about their lives, telling
me what their past, their present, their future. These kids
are like crying, balling in front of everybody. So I
was a little freaked. I was like, I'm intrigued. Wow,
got another class journalism class, got to write a paper
on an interesting person. I'm like, I'm gonna interview her.
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Set it up, drive out to her spot in Fairfax.
Tells me more about her life. She used to work
for oil companies, used to work for politicians, this and that.
She's like, okay, you're ready for your reading. I'm like, cool,
let's do it. She goes, who is? And then name
is my like girlfriend now wife since high school? Right
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off the top. This is pre Facebook, no way for
her to know, just like just uncorks the name on
me right there, dude, it was wild.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Look her up.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
She's a There's like an HBO documentary called uh No
One Dies in lily Dale. She's in it. And like,
if you're trying to picture like a like what a
psychic might look like, she like hits it right in
the note.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, and so the hey, who was who was the girl?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Who was the girl? Who was the woman at Georgetown
that we called the professor? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
The doctor?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Oh doctor Rebecca. Wasn't it Rebecca?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
But anyway, can we pull up the thing I'll call
doctor Knowle or professor Knowle.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
He's passed, he passed a couple he passed a couple
of years ago, and she did as well.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Couldn't lead with that, did she?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Really?
Speaker 6 (27:52):
I believe? So he might have to google it.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Her name is Beatrice Anne Gemmon. And the professor's name
was doctor Wayne Nole.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Wayne. All right, very good, very good. I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Thank you, sir, Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Wow. Is hi Elliott the morning?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
What was always the psychic joke about should have seen
it coming or something?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
What is come on? What is that?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
They're out of business? Out of business?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Oh, they should have seen it coming. Yeah, that's always
a good one. Anyway, I'm sorry, Hi.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Who's this? Hello?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Hello?
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Is this me?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Real quick? What can I do for you?
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Real quick? Cautionary tale for people who are interested in
talking to psychics, stay away. I was approached by basically,
I guess, two gypsy gals as I was walking back
from work one day and I was head down, just
kind of in a really bad headspace, and they approached
me and told me about the generational curse thing and
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that I was the only one in the fan who
could clear it. And weeks kind of go on. I'm
seeing them over and over again, and they keep telling
me that they need to go to buy these candles
for church to pray over me, and then it would
cost me five thousand dollars. So I stupidly went and
got alone for it and gave them five thousand dollars,
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and I mean, like the minute I handed them cash
as well, they kind of took it, fanned it all
over me and danced and got all happy. And I
never worked from them again.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
It was it was.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
It was definitely a learning experience for me. But you
just lost it took me years to pay it off.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Oh my god, Oh that's horrible, horrible. Now when you
tell people that story, do people look at you like,
oh my god, you're stupid, or they laugh like Elliott, I've.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Actually never told people that story. I don't go around
sharing it because it's embarrassing. It wasn't something that I
was proud of, especially like the previous caller talked about,
like you're in a bad spot, but then you wake
up as soon as something like this happens and you're like, oh,
that was dumb.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Did you ever go to the police or were you
embarrassed to go to the police.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
I had thought about it many times, many many times,
but they ended up moving and I didn't know where
they ended up, so no way to trace them. Gip
bees and all.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Does it still though?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Come on over?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
No, but I can imagine, like even now as you're
telling me, I could still imagine like somewhere there's a
pit in your stomach where you go. That was god
knows how many years ago. But god, it still makes
me feel dumb.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
It does.
Speaker 9 (30:50):
Yeah, I mean it doesn't hurt me anymore, but it's
just kind of like I also have to recognize where
I was at that time and be real with myself
about that and just be like, you know what, I
have to forgive myself. It was a poor choice, but
I was desperate, and I thought looking to somebody who
thought that they could help me like that on that
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level and like a spiritual level, sure that it was
going to work out, and absolutely not, I think it was.
It was That's when I feel dumb.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh God, it took out a loan.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Oh, I feel horrible because hearing people with similar stories
and make her feel a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, do you feel better knowing that they Yeah, yeah,
they got this other woman too for like fifty grand Well.
Speaker 9 (31:32):
I had heard a lot of stories after it happened
to me and realized how many people had been through it,
tens of thousands of dollars in most cases. Yeah, and
it's it's rampant. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
No, listen this one guy that did the bust in
New York said that it's a you know, twelve states,
twelve million dollars, a million bucks a case.
Speaker 9 (31:52):
Yeah, it's a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
That's crazy. Can I can? I can? I can? I
thank you?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (32:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
No. Like you said, you haven't told many people, but
yet you're willing to call a stupid disc jockey and
tell them.
Speaker 9 (32:07):
Well, ellie, I've listened to you all my life. I've
lived in Northern Virginia. I grew up here, and I
think that this is such an important topic for people
to be aware of. And I think sometimes it's worth
it to expose yourself and just let people know. Hey,
when you're not alone to it. Wasn't that stupid. You
were just in a bad place. And three, anybody who's
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even thinking about it doing it, don't do it?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, no, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, very good.
Speaker 9 (32:33):
Don't drop your money on somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, gotcha. Hey, you know I'm going to give you
a shirt. I'm going to give you a shirt.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I like you. Thanks, all right, hold on you see that,
Hold on one second, hold on one second.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Within thirty seconds, of you saying can I thank you?
You were basically saying you're welcome to her.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Wow. That's good. Though I liked her, I liked.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Her cautionary tale, but you're no better. Okay. I was
out twenty bucks Trust me a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Trust me, trust me,
Hey, Christian, will you do me a favor? Will you
do me a favor?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Will you find me somebody who has ever been to
a what are they like?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Fortune teller? Is that the right term?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
There's many different types. What do you mean that's a
massive umbrella. You can tell someone's fortune through many different ways, Christian.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Just figure it out.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Look at Chris. Unless she was suggesting a massive crystal ball.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
No, what she's doing is mocking you.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Remember yesterday when you were demonstrative you got bit.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
You should have seen it after the show when she
was showing me her knives.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, you know she had seven knives in this building?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Is like a machete.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Okay, that's overstated.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Is that thing not? At least we took down. It's invasive,
it's longer than foot.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I don't know, I don't know, no, but just like
if you were to go see a fortune teller, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
I'm like a palm reader. No, no, oh, I don't
know astrology, yeah, numerology and what's the one where they
used the weather?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Weather ology? Christoph, what are you doing the crystal ball? Yeah? Okay,
it's not the.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Wizard of All. Oh, no, I don't you know what
I'll be I'll be very honest.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I don't I think just by reading you like, what
is that called?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Like, I don't know you know what? No, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
When Joe and I went to see Bessie, what did
she do? Was that palm? I don't even remember.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Wasn't she eighty three years old?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Now?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Or was she? Was it eight three or four eighty three?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You're right, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I have no idea. I know I know now it's heavenology.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I know she said Scott was going to write a book.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Is that me?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Either way? Yeah, I ain't gonna write, ain't gonna read.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
That's not I wrote. I read two books for pleasure
over vacation.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
You read two books, two books.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Which was almost with the second one which was no,
it's not it's not a little dinky like like no,
but I mean like short Meltzer books. No, it's not.
It's not a kid's book. One is called five Years
and the one I'm almost done with is called the
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most fun We Ever let them.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Oh, it sounds like you didn't read two full books, Diana.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Okay, I've got like, like, uh, maybe like forty pages
left on the second one. It's pretty good to do
two books in a week.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I would know I read notebooks in a week, Bessie.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
All right, I'm gonna look at I'm gonna find my
bestie notes. Oh I know I saved them. Why would
you save that to see if it comes true?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Oh? So you think Scott's still gonna write a book.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh he had his whole life to do that. Yeah,
Oh I thought it.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Was anything, not anything?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Zero chance?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Did she say I was gonna run for public office?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Also? Zero chance? That zero two more of a chance
Scott writes a book.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I'm gonna find my Bessie notes today and put y'all
to shame.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
All right, No, I don't know, To be honest, I
don't know what the I don't know what the answer
is to that, Like how like what kind.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Of fortune is? Right?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It could be okay, So they just give me anybody,
any kind of fortune teller, any kind of fortune teller, please,
eight six six to Elliot eight six six two three
five five four six eight. I don't care what kind
of fortune teller you've been to, but I just need
somebody who's been to a fortune teller eight six six
to Elliot eight six six two, three, five, five, four,
six eight, Hi Elliott in the morning.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Hello, Hey, who's this Hey David? Where are you calling
me from?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Excellent?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You have been to a fortune teller? Yes, how long ago?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
It's been a while maybe next six seven years?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And you went why.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
I was young and we just saw the spine and
we just stopped.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, yeah, so you just went because you were you
were just being stupid.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
We were we'd been drinking, we were high, and we
went to uh yeah exactly. And what kind of did
you did you do? Tarot cards, palm reading? Okay, Kristin,
can somebody tell Christin? None of these shops have a
big crystal ball they do?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Where's something they do even if it's just for decorations.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, Christin is like like spinning the clouds inside of this.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, well eye of Newts.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Wing of wing of Newts whatever, guy is more no
appropriate because news don't have wings.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh sure anyway, anyway, anyway, sir, so you you all
went in, what did they do?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
A palm reading and a crystal reading?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Oh and what did you learn.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
That I needed to concentrate on myself and learning?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
When's your book come out?
Speaker 8 (05:29):
Guy?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Who called about the health stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And then what did you? What did you?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
What did and then you left and it was no
big deal and you've never done anything with it or
thought about it or anything like that.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Incorrect. I actually followed what she said.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
What do you mean you followed what she said?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I went ahead and tried out to learn new things
to see what I was like, you know, doing and
did it lgitating with myself was like working on my health,
mental health, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And how is that work?
Speaker 8 (05:56):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Have you only seen her once? Or do you go
back now?
Speaker 8 (06:02):
No?
Speaker 7 (06:02):
So I just kind of like brushed it off at
the moment, but I kind of like followed what she said.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So interesting and but but but but you found them
to be very like helpful. Even though it was just
like a stupid thing you and your friends were doing,
it actually helped you.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Do you get offended?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And I'm not listen, everybody's gonna believe in what they
want to believe in. But like when people go like, oh,
this asichouse, I was.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Like, this is not helpful. I was like, this is keeping.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, I know, but now you're into it.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Kind of.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh, you're interesting to me. Can I ask you this?
What if?
Speaker 8 (06:44):
What?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Okay, So now you're kind of into it. Would if
you let's let's just say you went back and they said, hey, listen,
I see something bad and I can help you fix it.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Would you trust them enough to go along with it?
Speaker 7 (07:02):
So I'm throw in for another loose.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
My wife does taro reading?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Wait? Your wife does tarot reading?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (07:09):
I've never had to read from you or anything. Because
I I like to believe that I believe what I believe,
if that makes sense. I don't like people tell them
what I should believe or what might happen.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Does your wife it's kind of pretty.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
Does you in your life a little bit?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Now? Does your wife ever tell you I had a
client today and something bad is going to happen to them?
Speaker 8 (07:35):
Kind of?
Speaker 5 (07:36):
But it's never been to like, oh you're in danger,
you're gonna die or you're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So where does your wife do tarot card reading?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well?
Speaker 7 (07:48):
She just does it online people that she meets sometimes. Again,
she's kind of taking a break from it right now, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Interesting? Interesting, All right, very good, very good. Impreciate it.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Thank you. That was not expecting that even though it
was to be a tarot.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Card necessarily like the true sort of interpretation of what
he learned. He still like stopped down and like worked
on himself.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
When does it cross a line from being a fun
bit to being criminal?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Do you have one of these stories? I'm always fascinated
by criminal criminal like if they try to extort money
from you or.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, but what is it? Is it criminal?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I mean, yes, that they're extorting money from you, Yes,
obviously that's.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Beyond you willing to give like the twenty bucks to
sit down.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
But yeah, but if you gave him twenty bucks to
sit down and they said, oh, hey, I see I
see you know.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Whatever, I'm going to need another forty.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They may see something good, Oh I see something that
looks really positive.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Let's have a follow up reading.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And now it's twenty dollars and they're like, oh, you
know what for for let's do the extra time it's
fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So like now they're getting money out of you.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Or it could be something bad of like, oh, I'm
seeing something bad here, I want to really investigate that.
Let's set up so i'd cost you fifty bucks.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But it can either be good or bad. But they're
still getting money out of you.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
To me, it's very subjective, But at.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
What point does it become criminal.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Or does it always fall into the category of, well,
you were the stupid idiot who gave.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Them all the money.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You could argue the whole thing is, Yes, criminal is
a totally I'm not rigged, but a total con.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't think it holds up, but someone could. Certainly.
I'd listen to the argument and.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Believe somebody listen.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
If you don't believe in any of that stuff, then
you think the whole thing is you know what you
think it is. And I'm not saying this to be
to be a dick, but you know what it is.
We're all out for a fun night out. They're going
to read our cards. It's wrestling like it's not it's no, no, no,
it's just for entertainment.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's just for it's just for entertainment.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's fun. They don't really know or do anything, so
it doesn't matter. But we're out having.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Anything because they know everything and do everything.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
No, No, I'm saying it's for entertainment. It's for entertainment,
sports entertainment. Yes, and they know I understand they don't
they don't choreograph the fights, but they know what the
outcome is going to be.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But I'm just saying that it is it is.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's not real sports. It's entertainment, right, But it's sports entertainment. Fine,
So if you were to say that fortune telling it
is there, they're going to tell you your your fortune, You're
going to write a book, Scott's Reading three or whatever
it is.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But it's for entertainment.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So then if you say that, at no point.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Is it criminal?
Speaker 9 (10:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
No, But that's what I'm asking. When does it become
a crime.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Because over the years you do see stories and I
can't remember any of the reasons why these fortune tellers
have come under fire or have been charged. But this
won't be If you have one in front of you,
this won't be the first or last time.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Pamela Olfi was arrested on Thursday evening in charge with
one count of grand larceny and two counts of fraudulent accosting.
M She scammed a woman out of tens of thousands
of dollars, claiming that the victim's son would die if
the mom didn't pay to lift a generational curse.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Oh god, Okay, who's But who's at fault? Who's at fault?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Is it the idiot victim's or is it the idiot
fortune teller?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But what'd you say? Fraudulent accosting? As this says you
read that? Say again, didn't you read fraudulent accosting?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, two counts a fraudulent a costing. The guy who
invested gated the case has worked with federal investigators in
police departments in twelve states on fortune teller cases and
has helped recover over twelve million dollars. Invit invoking psychic
(12:23):
powers is illegal. People go into a police precinct, they're
told it's a civil matter. It's a civil matter, but
it's not a civil matter. It is a criminal one.
There is a law on the books in many states
it is illegal to take money to practice quote occult powers.
Fortune telling is a Class B misdemeanor punishable by up
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to ninety days in jail. However, it is a law
that is rarely enforced. So does that mean all of
these places, like that guy's wife, it's illegal.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Or or does it depend on the state disclaim? Also,
like this is for entertainment purpose? Like did you have
to even pay Bessie, Diane, I can answer that question.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Go ahead, so, well, you and Joe did go see
her again the first time? The answer was no, the
first time Bessie, Bessie came in and did all of us.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
You and Joe went back to Bessie. I don't know
if you paid the second time.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I don't remember. I would imagine we did.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, when she committed a class B felony.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Come on during the first reading, did she tell you
about a generational curse? No? Is that why you went back?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Or did I just go back because Joe wanted to go.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Definitely wanted to go, and you were into.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It really fortunately fun stop in the ones off of
like Wisconsin Avenue. We were high school all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, because you were drunk.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Any age and go to one, we were definitely in
high school.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I don't think Madam Natalie was a stickler for age.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Is there an age like to pop into one of
those stores? I would think not Like to me, the
whole thing is just for entertainment.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I don't believe in any of it, but there are
people who do.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
This woman thought there was a generational curse on her son.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
She had a little she had a little booth set up.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
This woman walked by and she was like, oh, excuse me,
and the woman looked at her.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
She goes, I, oh, oh, she got a bad vibe
from her.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yes, she read her aura.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, the thank you and then they and she ended
up telling you, Now, maybe this is where it turns criminal.
The woman said, I need fifty some thousand dollars from you.
Money is the is the is the something of all evil,
root of all evil. Thank you give me the money.
I'm going to clean it and I'll give it back
(14:54):
to you. Okay, okay, well okay, but now who I
feel like you're you're you're on the woman. They said
that her son had a generational curse. So the woman
was like, oh my god, something's going to happen to
my kid.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, I mean it's awful that people would be gullible
like that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But you just described exactly what you said. The charge was, yeah,
rodulent accosting. This isn't someone who walked into a place
of business right and put the money down, but this
was somebody coming up to her on the street.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But fortune telling as a rule is a class being misdemeanor,
and you can use that law when it can be,
But I don't think it has to be a costing
nailed to this on this one.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, this one's pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
This one's bad, by the way, Diane.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But there are people, by the way, who will go,
this woman's just dumb, Like seriously, you're gonna give her
money and she's gonna go wash it and give it
back to you.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
But you can say that about anyone who's scammed online
that they should know better and see like the people.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Who were like I gave all my money to Brad Pitt, Okay,
like he wants to date you?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Is it Missus Natalie of Georgetown Diane, No, I was
definitely Madam.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So is missus the daughter because that person is still
open for business.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
On Wisconsin Avenue?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yes? Or did Madam get busted and came back?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Maybe Madam has passed.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
The Oh I'm maybe three years old.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I mean, I'm maybe three years old. I don't remember
her as being a young person, right, Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, I mean maybe maybe she's just riding that name.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I don't miss you's got to make the rent. Imagine
that on Wisconsin Avenue.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Missus Natalie does respond to some of the Google reviews.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Oh oh god, is she putting hexes on people.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Because they enjoy your house of horrors?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
The most recent one says, a waste of money telling
me about my past. I know it all better than
anyone else. She got everything wrong. Ask more questions than
gave answers. I came to ask about the future, but
got standard answers.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
You will have lumps.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Sorry you're reading. Disappointed your reading? It is revealed past
president and future Missus Natalie usually asked questions to find
out what area of life you want to find more
about if you like to come by for another reading
at no charge, that we can focus on the exact
or in exactly what you want to know or what
lies in your future service.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I see a green shoe.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
You would suck.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Whatever, dude, I just built you in. I don't know
some eighty three year old woman told you were going
to write a book. Hi Elliott the morning, Yeah, Hi.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Who's this?
Speaker 8 (17:56):
This is Tori in Arlington.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yes, Tory, you've been to a uh like a fortune teller.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Yes, I've been going my whole life, but when I
moved here, I actually started going to Miss Natalie's daughter,
who is still in business on Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Oh, there you go. That's her, that's missus. That's awesome.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Yes, yeah her. I've never seen miss Natalie, but I've
seen her daughter. But I have gone to psychics my
whole life. I got to a point where it's super toxic.
I couldn't make a decision in my life without talking
to a psychic first. So until I came to the
realization that it was ridiculous. After one definitely abused the
(18:40):
situation and charged me way too much money because you know,
you're in low points and they tell you, hey, we
can do this, we can do that, but you think
that they can and then you pay it and then
you're like, what am I doing? They absolutely cannot help
me with this? This is my problem.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Can I can I ask you this, like when you
said one one like got abusive with it, like in
what way?
Speaker 8 (19:02):
Like with money, Like, Okay, if you pay me five
hundred dollars, we can do chakra realignment and I'm going
to give you these crystals. And like what you're saying,
is it criminal? Because they they feed off of you
being desperate and just think that they can charge whatever
they'd like.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
How much money were you spending Okay, Uh, that one.
Speaker 8 (19:28):
I the most I spent, which I am not proud
to admit with five hundred. But I didn't go past that,
but he wanted to. I was like when I was
just like, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Were you following the were you following their advice on decisions.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
When they seemed fit? But they were just like, I'm
thinking about leaving my job. And then they like they
say a lot of the times, I've had a lot
of luck where they say the truth, like can read
it without me saying anything. My mom actually had us
start going to psychics when we were younger because we've
(20:07):
had like a lot of luck with them. Someone told
my grandmother she was gonna have four kids. She only
had three, and then a few years later she ended
up adopting my uncle. And then a psychic once told
my mom, hey, you're going to have really good luck
on this day, and so my mom didn't know what
it was, but she just played the lotto. We won
like five thousand dollars. So things like that weren't a
(20:29):
big deal. I also abused it by taking it way
too far and using it too much.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So like when you look back at it, though, like
if somebody were to say so, and I'm not trying
to I'm not trying to be mean. Was she was
she taking advantage of you? Or were you being stupid?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
I think it was equal part, Like I was definitely
being stupid because anyone would be like, why would you
trust that person? Like why would you go to a psychic?
One hundred percent? I should have just stopped.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Right, But also her to like taking advantage of Sure, yeah,
of course, like you're.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Broken and I'm going to fix you.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
By the way, I'll do that for you for free.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Okay, Yeah, you let me know your next big decision.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I'll help you. All right, very good, very good. Thank you, ma'am,
thank you. But you see what I mean, Like people,
I'm sure people are like, oh my god, this wasn't.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Even she says it. You feel stupid?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Does she say she was still those seeing?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, I thought she said she was done. Oh she
had stuff I thought. I thought I thought she said
she was done.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
But do you remember the girl that I dated for
a really long time, yeah, Shannon, Yes, Her mom and
aunt were heavy into psychics.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, heavy like the nine ones or like actual.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
No no going in person.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
They would make appointments to meet this woman and they'd
be like, oh, you have to book months ahead of time.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Did they ever get like advice that sort of seemed
right or a reading that was.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I never saw anything in their life where I was like, wow,
thank god you listened to Miss Chi or whatever her
name was. But yeah, they would go to her house
in like some real Asian part of Houston.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
And through what in manners were fortunes being told what
do you mean? Was it tarot cards? Was it palm reading?
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Crystal not not crystal balls, but crystal this sad does
crystal ball?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Or you would have to yes, I see Kristin. Or
they would bring her. They would bring her a piece.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Of jewelry like from a loved one.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
No, like from their house.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Well it's Sam saying, Or is it from like oh
this was my great great grandma?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
No, no, it was like their own ring or something.
They were also into like turquoise and stuff. But the uh,
but they would bring like a ring in miss miss Chi.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I think that was her name, some Asian woman, but
the but she would she would hold their ring and
then tell them. But yeah, no, they were heavy into it,
heavy like they would get all dressed up, like Miss
Chi would tell them, and they would get all dressed
up to go see him.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Would they like specifically or purposely leave like a piece
of jewelry off to see if that might give her
a clue about something? You know what I mean, like, oh,
I don't want her to think that I have money,
so I'm not gonna wear my ring, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the
answer is yes. Yeah, I don't think the answer is yes.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
So people, I don't know this as a like a tactic.
People will walk in and be very very dressed down.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh I don't I don't know. I just know you're
easily no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Misschi asked them to ask them to so they would
get very dressed up. They treated it like they were
going like they weren't. Diane just walking up and down
Wisconsin Avenue with half of her Krgenie sticking out. It
was like they were they were getting dressed up to
go see the fortune teller.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
And was this ever addressed with them by their daughter
and niece.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
So she didn't care, Shannon, Yeah, no, like he live
your life. So she just sat them and they weren't
wrapped up in it.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
She well, no, she definitely thought they were wrapped up
in it too much. I think she was concerned, but
not like anything bad was happening. But it would be like, oh,
we have to make our next appointment. We have to
drive to her house. And Shannon was like that sounds
odd that you're going to your house and I was like,
I'm just high, so who cares. But the but yeah,
I mean it was very She was concerned, but like
(24:45):
they weren't like giving up money and all that other stuff,
but they were in.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Were they ever late for an appointment?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Well, I don't think so good because.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Missus Natalie does not mess with people who are late time.
Really mm hmmview. Yeah. By the way, if he needs
some entertainment today, I've read the Google reviews for bar
A and Lake Como.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, it is not bar A in Lake Como, it
is in Belmar.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I read him over the break and their accused often
of being racist, and they respond with lol.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Ohays the best way to respond. Hi Elliott in the morning.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Hey, how's it going, got a I got a psychic
story for you? Yeah, go ahead, Okay, So Tyler Hoya sachsabuddy.
This happened at Georgetown my junior year. I was class
of two thousand and five English professor named doctor Wayne Nole.
Hard class to get into because he had this this
wife that would come in and do one lecture each semester.
(25:54):
So I'm like, all right, I gotta go check it out.
I go to the lecture. His wife, her name is
Beatrice and Demi Noel, used to be a Jesuit and
he like left being a Jesuit to marry this lady.
So she's coming to her little talk. She said she's
had this ability for you know, her whole life. This
and that. She starts having students come up to get
(26:14):
their readings done. Kids come up, they give her a
bracelet and necklace. She starts talking about their lives, telling
me what their past, their present, their future. These kids
are like crying, balling in front of everybody. So I
was a little freaked. I was like, I'm intrigued. Wow,
got another class journalism class, got to write a paper
on an interesting person. I'm like, I'm gonna interview her.
(26:36):
Set it up, drive out to her spot in Fairfax.
Tells me more about her life. She used to work
for oil companies, used to work for politicians, this and that.
She's like, okay, you're ready for your reading. I'm like, cool,
let's do it. She goes, who is? And then name
is my like girlfriend now wife since high school? Right
(26:57):
off the top. This is pre Facebook, no way for
her to know, just like just uncorks the name on
me right there, dude, it was wild.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Look her up.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
She's a There's like an HBO documentary called uh No
One Dies in lily Dale. She's in it. And like,
if you're trying to picture like a like what a
psychic might look like, she like hits it right in
the note.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, and so the hey, who was who was the girl?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Who was the girl? Who was the woman at Georgetown
that we called the professor? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
The doctor?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Oh doctor Rebecca. Wasn't it Rebecca?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
But anyway, can we pull up the thing I'll call
doctor Knowle or professor Knowle.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
He's passed, he passed a couple he passed a couple
of years ago, and she did as well.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Couldn't lead with that, did she?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Really?
Speaker 6 (27:52):
I believe? So he might have to google it.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Her name is Beatrice Anne Gemmon. And the professor's name
was doctor Wayne Nole.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Wayne. All right, very good, very good. I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Thank you, sir, Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Wow. Is hi Elliott the morning?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
What was always the psychic joke about should have seen
it coming or something?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
What is come on? What is that?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
They're out of business? Out of business?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Oh, they should have seen it coming. Yeah, that's always
a good one. Anyway, I'm sorry, Hi.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Who's this? Hello?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Hello?
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Is this me?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Real quick? What can I do for you?
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Real quick? Cautionary tale for people who are interested in
talking to psychics, stay away. I was approached by basically,
I guess, two gypsy gals as I was walking back
from work one day and I was head down, just
kind of in a really bad headspace, and they approached
me and told me about the generational curse thing and
(28:58):
that I was the only one in the fan who
could clear it. And weeks kind of go on. I'm
seeing them over and over again, and they keep telling
me that they need to go to buy these candles
for church to pray over me, and then it would
cost me five thousand dollars. So I stupidly went and
got alone for it and gave them five thousand dollars,
(29:22):
and I mean, like the minute I handed them cash
as well, they kind of took it, fanned it all
over me and danced and got all happy. And I
never worked from them again.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
It was it was.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
It was definitely a learning experience for me. But you
just lost it took me years to pay it off.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Oh my god, Oh that's horrible, horrible. Now when you
tell people that story, do people look at you like,
oh my god, you're stupid, or they laugh like Elliott, I've.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Actually never told people that story. I don't go around
sharing it because it's embarrassing. It wasn't something that I
was proud of, especially like the previous caller talked about,
like you're in a bad spot, but then you wake
up as soon as something like this happens and you're like, oh,
that was dumb.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Did you ever go to the police or were you
embarrassed to go to the police.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
I had thought about it many times, many many times,
but they ended up moving and I didn't know where
they ended up, so no way to trace them. Gip
bees and all.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Does it still though?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Come on over?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
No, but I can imagine, like even now as you're
telling me, I could still imagine like somewhere there's a
pit in your stomach where you go. That was god
knows how many years ago. But god, it still makes
me feel dumb.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
It does.
Speaker 9 (30:50):
Yeah, I mean it doesn't hurt me anymore, but it's
just kind of like I also have to recognize where
I was at that time and be real with myself
about that and just be like, you know what, I
have to forgive myself. It was a poor choice, but
I was desperate, and I thought looking to somebody who
thought that they could help me like that on that
(31:10):
level and like a spiritual level, sure that it was
going to work out, and absolutely not, I think it was.
It was That's when I feel dumb.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh God, it took out a loan.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Oh, I feel horrible because hearing people with similar stories
and make her feel a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, do you feel better knowing that they Yeah, yeah,
they got this other woman too for like fifty grand Well.
Speaker 9 (31:32):
I had heard a lot of stories after it happened
to me and realized how many people had been through it,
tens of thousands of dollars in most cases. Yeah, and
it's it's rampant. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
No, listen this one guy that did the bust in
New York said that it's a you know, twelve states,
twelve million dollars, a million bucks a case.
Speaker 9 (31:52):
Yeah, it's a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
That's crazy. Can I can? I can? I can? I
thank you?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (32:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
No. Like you said, you haven't told many people, but
yet you're willing to call a stupid disc jockey and
tell them.
Speaker 9 (32:07):
Well, ellie, I've listened to you all my life. I've
lived in Northern Virginia. I grew up here, and I
think that this is such an important topic for people
to be aware of. And I think sometimes it's worth
it to expose yourself and just let people know. Hey,
when you're not alone to it. Wasn't that stupid. You
were just in a bad place. And three, anybody who's
(32:29):
even thinking about it doing it, don't do it?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, no, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, very good.
Speaker 9 (32:33):
Don't drop your money on somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, gotcha. Hey, you know I'm going to give you
a shirt. I'm going to give you a shirt.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I like you. Thanks, all right, hold on you see that,
Hold on one second, hold on one second.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Within thirty seconds, of you saying can I thank you?
You were basically saying you're welcome to her.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Wow. That's good. Though I liked her, I liked.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Her cautionary tale, but you're no better. Okay. I was
out twenty bucks Trust me a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Trust me, trust me,
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