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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, this is Luke of Panover. How you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm doing great. What can I do for you? Sir?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Well, you got some questions about frost nip, frost fern,
and frost bike.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What what did you do? You have frost nip?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
So there's several different categories. You have frost nip, which
is like class one burned, then there's uh frost bite,
which is like a class two, then the frostper which
is like a three degree burn. And then he asked
class four, which is amputation.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So what did you have?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh? Yeah, I had stuff removed. So if you want
to know stuff, ask away, Hey.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
What did you Well, let's start with the obvious. What
did you have removed?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well, I used to wear a size thirteen shoe and
I'm gonna size eleven.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Dude, they took off your toes.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
They took out more than that. They took the bones
at the top mule.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Oh wait, so do you like it's the end of
your foot just like like like you know, like sometimes
you get a steak and it's just kind of squeezy.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Is that what the end of your it is?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Like? I wear steel toes every day because I don't
know where my feet ends.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
What do you mean you don't know where your feet end?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You can't feel it?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You can, you can feel your feet right.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
If you don't know where your feet in, its very
easy to stump your uh, pump into things, not walk
up steps correctly, hit stuff with them, drop stuff, not
move your foot back far enough. You gotta protect what's left?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Can I ask you this? And I'm not I'm not trying. Really,
I'm not trying to be a dick.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I'm not go ahead, that's the way.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Like, like, think back to before.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, how how did you end up losing your how'd
you end up losing your toes?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It was about twenty five years ago, and I was
mountain climbing up a mount Chehawk, and I got caught
in a freak winter storm. And I went ahead and
bunker down inside my sleeping bag, and I even took
a three liter water bottle and put it up against
my chest inside of my sleeping bag and my five
sack and my tent, so when I would wake up,
that would have liquid water rose to death.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well you didn't die, I yes.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yes, they did. I was found several days later, uh,
and I was taken off the mountain and taken to
a ranger station, and then they took me down to
the local morgue and put me in the freezer.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
They thought you were dead.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, so were you like that Indian woman in the
coffin like two weeks ago, where like.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
All of a sudden, you were started to move. How
did you how did you come about?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
The doctor before they do the official certification of death,
had to try to listen deeper for a heart rate
or just check me out or whatever, and they found
a very faint weak pulled and then they took me
out of the morgue and put me in the like
emergency room, stripped me down, put me in like a
very again lukewarm bath, and I try to revive me
(02:56):
during this process. When I woke up, I could. When
I finally woke up, the doctors were arguing about what
to cut off and what to take, where to cut where,
where to amptate. One doctor was saying we need to
cut off at the calf muffled. The other one was
trying to save more of the foot and just take
out the destroyed bones, frozen bones. Before you know, dangreen
(03:21):
set in and you know fully poisoned my blood and
run off. They were taking kind of like a metal
copper wire and scraping off a lot of stuff. It
was pretty gruesome.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Dude, How did they?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You don't feel it right away, but once they get
down to the nerves that are still alive, then he
start feeling it.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
How did they? How'd they find you on the mountain?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's too elderly couple, is what the rangers said, found
me and dragged me off. Wow, winter storm. No one
lives up on there. No one should have been up there.
And they said, an old man and an old woman.
Don me. Did you ever need to the ranger station.
(04:06):
I've tried since, you know, twenty five years ago to
find out who they were. No one knows them. No
knows who they are, just some random dude.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So now the question I was going to ask is
gonna sound very stupid, but like think back before when
you had toes, Like if you if you like jammed
your toe into something, like you kick something in a hurt,
if you hit that mushy part of your front foot,
do you have any feeling there?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, very stupid.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So I wear socks all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
But I still bang my toes.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I could take a torch to the bottom of But
I could walk on burning asshole around a swimming pool
and I won't know I'm hurting myself.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Wow, dude, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So that's what I mean. Like, I wear like steel
toe's slippers. I wear steel toe or aluminum toe running shoes.
I don't wear sandles, I don't wear cross I very
protective of what's back.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Well, I bet where do you I've never even heard
of steel to slips.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
That's amazing. That's amazing. See, I was thinking they're made
in Japan.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
They're really cool. They got bell crow rattom and it's
they're very light, very thin canvas, and they have a
still toe. Did you still on and bell crowlman real
quick in the morning when you got to go out,
like you know.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, sure, well it doesn't matter, you can't feel anything
hold on, yes, Tyler.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
More than the subtoe follow ups, I was thinking more
about like the seismic shift in just philosophy of life. Yeah,
this isn't a near death experience. This is a death experience.
Did it totally alter your your feelings about your purpose? Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And do you wake up every day since then?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Elliott I wasn't asking. No, you don't wake up every
day he thinks about that every day I.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Was dead, Sir, I mean you do look at your
feet every time.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You put your Okay, that's looking at your.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Feet, right, and it is part of life. I mean
it's part of a daily life.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
No, no, I get that. I look at my feet
every day, but constant.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Like, oh, I'm so lucky to be alive, like, I
mean that just that just doesn't even.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Seem realistic, sir. Yes, yeah, but yeah, but you don't.
You don't. I mean, you don't live every day like that,
do you.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I don't dread it. I don't dwell on it.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Ye, you know it it is yeah, yeah, I mean
you got bad and good days, just like me.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Did you die and not to be resuscitated? Please? And
I I hate to be a stickler. I hate to
be he was dead. He was not dead. He was
This is the closest game I gotten dead. Yeah, and
we've come close.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
We've had near death experience calls before. This is unbelievable. Oh,
I agree, this is fascinating. The other day who also
is not dead and was pointed out just now in Thailand, Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Whatever, okay, not America.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
No, No, but you you don't you're and again I'm
not trying.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
To split short and curlyes here, but you're not. You're
not dead, You're near dead, You're just not dead. If
you're dead, you're dead. This is as close as you're
gonna get.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
All those people thought he was dead until somebody found
a faint pulse.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I I agree with all of that.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Do you have any memory of anything that happened while
you were quote dead?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I remember laying down and thinking I was going to die,
and preparing for that. I took my data book, journal
book and wrapped it underneath my skull, and I was
wearing everything possibly could. I mean, I have full winter kit.
And I remember in that delusional hypothermic, you know, you
are a very in a lucid state almost like how
(08:09):
do I say, hallucinating, right, and that questionable state of mind.
And I remember hearing what sounded like little footprints or
footprints in the snow around me, and this massive storm
it's a probably fifty sixty mile an hour when you
know double negative digits temperature wise. Trees were falling around. Wow,
(08:32):
you know, a brutal winter storm and I remember hearing
like it could have been like a bear or like
a raccoon or something, and thinking myself like, how was
anything outside able to you know, walk survive around me.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Maybe it was your guardian angel walking around and.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That I remember waking up with the doctors, you know,
deciding what the cutoffs. That's a terrifying to wake up
to and not knowing where you are are, what happened?
How do I get here?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Oh? Sure?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And they're arguing about what leg to take off and
where to cut.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So other than other than the toes on, was it
just one foot or did you lose toes on both
on both your tootsies.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Both feet? U? There are ten and a half and
eleven right thirteen The bones on the top of the foot.
If you if you take your hands down to the
top of you feel like a little bump or a ridge.
There's a bunch of little I don't even remember the
names of them all, but there's like a million bones
in each foot or something, and they had to be
taken out because they were no longer alive.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah they're dead. Wow, that's fascinated.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Inside had frozen and exploded to the cell walls are destroyed,
and then all the blood vessels and the nerves that
feed those cells. You know, the each nerve is like
a telephone wire and there's like a rubber insulation around it,
but not rubber, but it's it's like a rubber insulation
and a metal wire nerve that goes down the center.
(10:02):
And once that rubber insulation and your nerves is gone,
the wire is exposed and very painful. But if the
wires is gone and destroyed and dead, but the rubber
insulation is still there, the theory at the time was
that maybe the nerves could grow back, right, It'll be
(10:23):
very very slow over a long period of time. If if.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Hey can you was like.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Could you regain you know, the ability to walk or
what would be your motion?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
What?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
There was always questions going on because this is not
very typical, normal everyday medical event that happens even in America.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
But you could walk, Like if I saw you walking, would.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I know.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You'd probably you have a talent that I run really
funny because I kin't like run up my toes. I
don't really sprint right on like the ball of my feet.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Hey, you know what, I'll trade you something?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You send me a picture of your foot with your address,
and i'll send you a shirt, all right, I'll give
you a shirt anyway. Hold on one second for me,
all right, okay,
Hey, this is Luke of Panover. How you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm doing great. What can I do for you? Sir?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Well, you got some questions about frost nip, frost fern,
and frost bike.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What what did you do? You have frost nip?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
So there's several different categories. You have frost nip, which
is like class one burned, then there's uh frost bite,
which is like a class two, then the frostper which
is like a three degree burn. And then he asked
class four, which is amputation.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
So what did you have?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh? Yeah, I had stuff removed. So if you want
to know stuff, ask away, Hey.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
What did you Well, let's start with the obvious. What
did you have removed?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well, I used to wear a size thirteen shoe and
I'm gonna size eleven.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Dude, they took off your toes.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
They took out more than that. They took the bones
at the top mule.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Oh wait, so do you like it's the end of
your foot just like like like you know, like sometimes
you get a steak and it's just kind of squeezy.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Is that what the end of your it is?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Like? I wear steel toes every day because I don't
know where my feet ends.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
What do you mean you don't know where your feet end?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You can't feel it?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You can, you can feel your feet right.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
If you don't know where your feet in, its very
easy to stump your uh, pump into things, not walk
up steps correctly, hit stuff with them, drop stuff, not
move your foot back far enough. You gotta protect what's left?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Can I ask you this? And I'm not I'm not trying. Really,
I'm not trying to be a dick.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I'm not go ahead, that's the way.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Like, like, think back to before.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, how how did you end up losing your how'd
you end up losing your toes?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It was about twenty five years ago, and I was
mountain climbing up a mount Chehawk, and I got caught
in a freak winter storm. And I went ahead and
bunker down inside my sleeping bag, and I even took
a three liter water bottle and put it up against
my chest inside of my sleeping bag and my five
sack and my tent, so when I would wake up,
that would have liquid water rose to death.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well you didn't die, I yes.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yes, they did. I was found several days later, uh,
and I was taken off the mountain and taken to
a ranger station, and then they took me down to
the local morgue and put me in the freezer.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
They thought you were dead.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, so were you like that Indian woman in the
coffin like two weeks ago, where like.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
All of a sudden, you were started to move. How
did you how did you come about?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
The doctor before they do the official certification of death,
had to try to listen deeper for a heart rate
or just check me out or whatever, and they found
a very faint weak pulled and then they took me
out of the morgue and put me in the like
emergency room, stripped me down, put me in like a
very again lukewarm bath, and I try to revive me
(02:56):
during this process. When I woke up, I could. When
I finally woke up, the doctors were arguing about what
to cut off and what to take, where to cut where,
where to amptate. One doctor was saying we need to
cut off at the calf muffled. The other one was
trying to save more of the foot and just take
out the destroyed bones, frozen bones. Before you know, dangreen
(03:21):
set in and you know fully poisoned my blood and
run off. They were taking kind of like a metal
copper wire and scraping off a lot of stuff. It
was pretty gruesome.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Dude, How did they?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You don't feel it right away, but once they get
down to the nerves that are still alive, then he
start feeling it.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
How did they? How'd they find you on the mountain?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's too elderly couple, is what the rangers said, found
me and dragged me off. Wow, winter storm. No one
lives up on there. No one should have been up there.
And they said, an old man and an old woman.
Don me. Did you ever need to the ranger station.
(04:06):
I've tried since, you know, twenty five years ago to
find out who they were. No one knows them. No
knows who they are, just some random dude.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So now the question I was going to ask is
gonna sound very stupid, but like think back before when
you had toes, Like if you if you like jammed
your toe into something, like you kick something in a hurt,
if you hit that mushy part of your front foot,
do you have any feeling there?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, very stupid.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So I wear socks all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
But I still bang my toes.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I could take a torch to the bottom of But
I could walk on burning asshole around a swimming pool
and I won't know I'm hurting myself.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Wow, dude, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So that's what I mean. Like, I wear like steel
toe's slippers. I wear steel toe or aluminum toe running shoes.
I don't wear sandles, I don't wear cross I very
protective of what's back.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Well, I bet where do you I've never even heard
of steel to slips.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
That's amazing. That's amazing. See, I was thinking they're made
in Japan.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
They're really cool. They got bell crow rattom and it's
they're very light, very thin canvas, and they have a
still toe. Did you still on and bell crowlman real
quick in the morning when you got to go out,
like you know.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, sure, well it doesn't matter, you can't feel anything
hold on, yes, Tyler.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
More than the subtoe follow ups, I was thinking more
about like the seismic shift in just philosophy of life. Yeah,
this isn't a near death experience. This is a death experience.
Did it totally alter your your feelings about your purpose? Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And do you wake up every day since then?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Elliott I wasn't asking. No, you don't wake up every
day he thinks about that every day I.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Was dead, Sir, I mean you do look at your
feet every time.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You put your Okay, that's looking at your.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Feet, right, and it is part of life. I mean
it's part of a daily life.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
No, no, I get that. I look at my feet
every day, but constant.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Like, oh, I'm so lucky to be alive, like, I
mean that just that just doesn't even.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Seem realistic, sir. Yes, yeah, but yeah, but you don't.
You don't. I mean, you don't live every day like that,
do you.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I don't dread it. I don't dwell on it.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Ye, you know it it is yeah, yeah, I mean
you got bad and good days, just like me.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Did you die and not to be resuscitated? Please? And
I I hate to be a stickler. I hate to
be he was dead. He was not dead. He was
This is the closest game I gotten dead. Yeah, and
we've come close.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
We've had near death experience calls before. This is unbelievable. Oh,
I agree, this is fascinating. The other day who also
is not dead and was pointed out just now in Thailand, Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Whatever, okay, not America.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
No, No, but you you don't you're and again I'm
not trying.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
To split short and curlyes here, but you're not. You're
not dead, You're near dead, You're just not dead. If
you're dead, you're dead. This is as close as you're
gonna get.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
All those people thought he was dead until somebody found
a faint pulse.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I I agree with all of that.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Do you have any memory of anything that happened while
you were quote dead?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I remember laying down and thinking I was going to die,
and preparing for that. I took my data book, journal
book and wrapped it underneath my skull, and I was
wearing everything possibly could. I mean, I have full winter kit.
And I remember in that delusional hypothermic, you know, you
are a very in a lucid state almost like how
(08:09):
do I say, hallucinating, right, and that questionable state of mind.
And I remember hearing what sounded like little footprints or
footprints in the snow around me, and this massive storm
it's a probably fifty sixty mile an hour when you
know double negative digits temperature wise. Trees were falling around. Wow,
(08:32):
you know, a brutal winter storm and I remember hearing
like it could have been like a bear or like
a raccoon or something, and thinking myself like, how was
anything outside able to you know, walk survive around me.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Maybe it was your guardian angel walking around and.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That I remember waking up with the doctors, you know,
deciding what the cutoffs. That's a terrifying to wake up
to and not knowing where you are are, what happened?
How do I get here?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Oh? Sure?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And they're arguing about what leg to take off and
where to cut.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So other than other than the toes on, was it
just one foot or did you lose toes on both
on both your tootsies.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Both feet? U? There are ten and a half and
eleven right thirteen The bones on the top of the foot.
If you if you take your hands down to the
top of you feel like a little bump or a ridge.
There's a bunch of little I don't even remember the
names of them all, but there's like a million bones
in each foot or something, and they had to be
taken out because they were no longer alive.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah they're dead. Wow, that's fascinated.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Inside had frozen and exploded to the cell walls are destroyed,
and then all the blood vessels and the nerves that
feed those cells. You know, the each nerve is like
a telephone wire and there's like a rubber insulation around it,
but not rubber, but it's it's like a rubber insulation
and a metal wire nerve that goes down the center.
(10:02):
And once that rubber insulation and your nerves is gone,
the wire is exposed and very painful. But if the
wires is gone and destroyed and dead, but the rubber
insulation is still there, the theory at the time was
that maybe the nerves could grow back, right, It'll be
(10:23):
very very slow over a long period of time. If if.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Hey can you was like.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Could you regain you know, the ability to walk or
what would be your motion?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
What?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
There was always questions going on because this is not
very typical, normal everyday medical event that happens even in America.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
But you could walk, Like if I saw you walking, would.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I know.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You'd probably you have a talent that I run really
funny because I kin't like run up my toes. I
don't really sprint right on like the ball of my feet.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Hey, you know what, I'll trade you something?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You send me a picture of your foot with your address,
and i'll send you a shirt, all right, I'll give
you a shirt anyway. Hold on one second for me,
all right, okay,
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