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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Miscommunication, misunderstanding or conversational misfire cost them their job potential immediately.
I'm sure there's some instances. So you're gonna tell me
you've never fallen into that category. I've never fallen into it.
You know what. Good on you? Good? No, good on you,
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good on you?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
All right? Very good?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Diana and Tyler?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Was that supposed to be me or Diana? You just did?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's just bad, Just be course, just course. When filling
out forms for a client, every line marks sign as
in for your signature. The candidate just wrote sagittarius. My god,
these are like major. Oh but that's kind of funny.
That's kind of fun cost them the job. It's should
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cost them the job.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I thought this was going to be like gray area stuff.
What do you mean you said? Just would you? She
is a communicational misfires or something.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Miscommunication, misunderstanding or conversational misfire.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Conversational misfires? Yeah, one person was. Guy's not even that's
on a four in person. You could see where you
get like diarrhea of the mouth, and then you you
dig yourself a hole. You can't.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I did that, climb out, I did that in a
bad way. Mine was horrible.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You've told us this story before.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, it was horrible.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I was interviewing for a job at a radio station
and I went out with I'd never met the general manager,
but she was pretty conservative. And I was there and
we were all there was a group of like four
of us and we were talking and they mentioned somebody
else that works at the station, and I go, oh,
I know them. They used to work at a different station,
and she and some other guy at that station they
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got caught in the station van having anal sex and
down goes Segal. Years later, a buddy of mine who
ran into her brought me up and she was like, yeah,
probably the worst interview ever had.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah it was bad. That was bad. That was bad.
That's a misfire. That's a communication misfire from somebody who
works at YO Staffing Services. I had one candidate who
went in for a face to face interview and just
gave snarky, literal answers the whole time. Like they asked
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him what his ideal job would be, and he said
one where I would get paid to do nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
OK.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But that's that's that's like a that's an icebreaker.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So the candidate thought me, being clever or quote unquote cleverness, yes,
would appeal to the hiring manager.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Why well, then they asked what his ideal commute would
be like, and he said the office would be next
to my house. Again, that's that's it. That one is
the office manager being a little too rigid.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Rigid, I think you can't walk in with that sort
of strut when you're interviewing.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
From Kinney recruiting, one of my former colleagues had a
candidate interview for a legal assistant position at a law firm.
Great job. That day, her phone rings. All I could
hear was my colleague saying, what no, really, Then she
came over and told me she told her candidate to
wear a suit to the interview. Her candidate showed up
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in a juicy couture sweatsuit. I'm with you, Christen, that's hysterical, okay,
But shame on, no shame no, no, shame on the
shame on the the candidate, you you know, not the candidate,
the hiring person.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
No shame on the candidate.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Why why shame on that they showed up? You're matching
matching couture.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Okay, it's not a couture, it's a sweatsuit. Then you're
just dumb. Why'd you say the position was uh, legal
assistance assistant.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I'm not from facing. I'm not from facing.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Because they're behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I wish now, Diane. When my interview with Diane went
very well, But I don't even remember what you wore.
You could have wore sweatsuit.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
No, I didn't, I remember, did you really?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Did you really that? Maybe the last time I saw
you on a skirt, I mean, other than a funeral?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Probably was it?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Really? It wore a skirt.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
It was a job interview. I was dressing up.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I probably had shorts on. Yeah you did. I was
definitely the most overdressed one in the group.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But I wasn't trying to get a job. I had
a job. I could have worn the juicy couture. I
like this one a lot. Okay, Major Lindsay and some
but I don't know some company. Follow me back. When
I was at another firm in private equity, I was
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interviewing a candidate and one of the questions I asked
him was have you ever had a challenging relationship with
a manager. If so, how did you approach that to
try to alleviate the relationship.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, that's a great question. Don't they say, though, let
me let me hit pause if they say, have you
ever had a challenging relationship? Aren't you just supposed to
say nothing bad, just keep your eye?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
No, because because then it's like, well.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
We butted heads on a few projects, but we always
ended up working it out.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I don't even think you should say that, because then
it makes it look like, oh, so you were you
were you were abstinate guy.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Well maybe, okay, whatever perpose?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You know what I meant.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
That was a conversational miss fire. Maybe everyone knows at
some point it's not always honky door. Yes, if you're
being honest, you're going to say yes to this question.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, but you're also not being honest for most of
the questions. No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Commute? Was the office next price house?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Or yes?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Anyway, how did you approach and try to alleviate the
relationship with the manager? The candidate said he really didn't
like his current manager, and while you don't want to
speak negatively about your manager when you're in an interview,
he told me that his manager was very weight conscious,
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always dieting, watching what he ate and struggled. So the
candidate decided, this is what he told the recruiter. The
candidate decided he would go to Krispy Kreme every morning
and bring in half a dozen donuts to his manager
as a nice gesture. The candidate said he would put
the box on his boss's desk so that he would
always have the temptation to eat him and be mad
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at himself.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Dick, So he's sabotaging his health efforts. Yeah, that's horrible.
Did that person get the job? Okay?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Good? No, they this person went on and said, that's
the most messed up response I've ever had. That would
make me chuckle.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, it means the person is like having fun.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Dieting is hard. You don't need to have a box
of Krispy Creams on your damn desk every day.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I didn't fire Kristen for bringing in chips and salta today.
You asked her to, well, she asked, and I said yes,
she said go get it. No, christ was like should
I bring it in? I was like, yeah, why are
you even typing this? Just do it please?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh that is the Krispy tree thing.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Is that's awesome. That one's good. Oh, my god, that one's.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Good once you can understand not every day.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oh, I've had some managers, Number one, I have had
some big boy managers that I didn't like. I wish
I would have thought of that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You've wanted to poison people's food.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
True, that true in all this case. So this for
me is a step up.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
This case is a little bit better, unless there could
have been some sort of allergic reaction.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Mister Durrow used to eat like crazy. He was He
worked at one of the movie theaters I worked at.
He spent a lot of time in the back room
of the concession area. He loved the chocolate covered almonds.
I'd bought him donuts all the time. That's a good one.
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That's a really good one.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Steve writes, had an applicant start talking crap about the
program and the director, with the director sitting in on
the interview. Ooh, We politely told her the director was present,
but the applicant continued to talk crap. But you know what,
what a plus for being honest, Like you said, your
most recent employment. You're not supposed to speak negatively about that.
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You were supposed to if you're telling a story, make
it far back in the past.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
But why why can't why why I'm Elliott after X
many years you're leaving? Why? Oh, just it's the greatest place. No,
it really is. I love the people. Everybody's right. You're
leaving for a reason.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, but you're also taking a very traditional model of
occupational longevity. People don't stay at places for decades and decades, right,
so you do go from job to job, But it's
not good to while you're interviewing for somebody your current
self is beefing with your manager. Maybe back in the day.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
When has Kristen Derris she raised her cheek like she
was being maybe.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Back in the day when you were younger you but
has you don't want to hear that. You're bringing in
somebody now that.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
But you're not bringing in a mouth content. Now, why
are you leaving? Listen? I didn't get along with my manager.
He was very lazy, fair and didn't push and I listen,
my biggest fault, you know this, I worked too hard.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I worked too many hours. It's a red flag. And
for Steve when they're talking, as he said, crap about
the future job.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, that I don't get although is there any like
is he trying to say? Is there any relevance of
going listen? I've done my homework. I've studied your company
and there are some flaws here that I think I
could fix. Is that good? You gotta be careful, like what, well,
I'll tell you what. The director doesn't do a good job.
Stay vague sitting right there, because you have to say
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you can improve it. You can.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I've got some really good ideas that I'd like to
talk to you.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
See, I don't like saying that.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That's positive.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
You don't have to say the director said.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I don't like saying that. I don't like saying that.
And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Oh
what kind of ideas? Like what could you bring? And
that's when you got to look at them and go
them ideas ain't free. No, you don't say that, Yes,
you just what my idea? My ideas deal with raising revenue.
One of those ideas.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
We're really successful with this plan that I implemented that
helped us raise our revenue.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
That's great and that's what we're looking for here at
McGillicuddy and sons. Give me an idea, what kind of
plan was it?
Speaker 5 (11:12):
But my P and L statements around in the same world.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That's why you can't do that.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Because I'm not in that world and you're asking me
to come up with something.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Like that, like and again, the only job I know
are movie theaters in radio and so I like when
they ask a program director, what would you do, like
write out a plan, what would you do to fix
the station? And they all do it. They're all sheeple
because what I would do is go you pay for that,
hire me, hire me.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Yeah, but that's combative.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Oh I didn't get the job, Well, here's what you
should have done. Then I give it to them for free.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Be careful what you say if you don't get the job,
because there may be another position that you're qualified for
that opens up at that.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Oh APD business, what are they going to hire me for?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I'm not talking specifically about radio.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Oh so the Juicy cout tour. I didn't get the
legal assistant, but I could be the assistant to the assistant.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
No, when they come back, I'm saying and say, you
didn't get it for something. Maybe that wasn't as obvious
as wearing a suit versus the Swiss balls exactly. You
don't want to do that unless you you've been so
turned off in the process.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I have that director set right there, that director sat right.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
There, we'd never want to work there.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Where am I going to? Kristen Line four? Hi, Elliot
the morning? Hey, good morning? How are you? What'd you say?
What'd you do?
Speaker 6 (12:32):
I was interviewing candidates for a role and this young woman,
she was great. She said, how much longer is this
going to take? Do you mind if I have a
smoke break?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
That's good?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Now are you supposed to are you a thank you?
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Sir?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Did she not get the job because of that? I
hired her? She's wonderful, see thank you? No, No, that's
what I was going to say, thank you sir? Aren't
two part question? Aren't you supposed to give them a
break while doing the interviews? You have to take a break,
gather yourself a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That would be maybe a nice gesture between if they're
meeting with multiple people, but in the middle of one sit.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Down with somebody, I gotta have a cigarette?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
How long I maybe are these interviews? Sometimes these days.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
They'll go on forever. Yeah, they go on.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
We've talked about it before. What is it called when
you sit in front of a board.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
And they sort of like rotate through you.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, they basically all get to ask you a questions for.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Interview.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Now I'm thinking of penthouse for him.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Amen, dude, if that didn't give you a chub back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Oh my god, unfortunate time for me to look. Be
looking right at Kristen.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
From Ivan Adler Associates. A candidate was interviewing with a
client in a room with a large window looking out
onto the streets of Washington d c.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
The candidate was facing the window. The hiring manager had
their back to the window. During the interview, the candidate
all of a sudden blurted out, Wow, that's a great
looking chick who just walked by.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Jesus that this is happening in a professional.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Settle, because that just catches are supposed to somebody who's observant.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You are supposed to be on your best behavior.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I am my best behavior.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Now you should have asked for a break instead.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Would you not? You? No, Dan, you can't vape in
the office, would you? Would you frown on an employee
who walked like you're nervous? Right, Diane you're the hiring manager.
Tyler and I both interview for the job. We're essentially even.
I may even be better by a hare. Tyler came
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in all you know, we both dress fine, everything is good.
But I came in. I was very nervous. I smoked
in the car the entire way there. Does that throw
you off?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Really? Come on, man, that's the scrim Wow, that's a
good look at jig a loss here.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Maybe you were proud of yourself for phrasing your comment
about her beauty in the way you did, because you
know locker room talk, you would have said something much time.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Oh amen, from data Space, there was one candidate. This
goes back to eat balls and be careful how you
respond if you don't get the job. Yes, there was
one candidate who told us to shove it when we
told him the job wasn't going to work out. A
week later, he applied for another job with us. There
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you go, and he kept doing it for years.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
In our applicant tracking system, you could see the same
candidate's email is tied to all these applications. You can
also see the correspondence we've had and there are numerous
times that when we've sent a message like our apologies,
but this role has been closed. He simply responds with,
I don't accept apologies.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm gonna love this guy.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That sounds like you as well.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Shove it, Hi, Elliott the morning.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Hi is this name?
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Who's this?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Hi? My name is Ellie.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
What'd you do?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So, when I was in my late twenties almost thirties,
if it was offered a first round interview for a job,
and the date they offered me was my birthday, and
I wrote back and said I can't do that day,
it's my birthday.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Did they reply throw the f up?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
They were forgiving and offered me another date and I
got the job.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Are you siria?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
My god?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
By the way, who in this building most likely to
respond to a job interview requests? That way? As a couple,
who would be most likely to go I can't. I
can't do the job interview that day? It's my birthday?
Who in this building?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Again? There's a couple somebody that we worked directly with?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yes? On three? Just do you do you have a guess?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay? On three, say the name Wait Kristen wants you
have a guess okay, wait, hold on, turn yourself on.
Three wait well one, don't don't say it? One, two,
three names okay? You ready? Okay? One? Two, three dustin? Okay,
I got three dustins? Who did you say that?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Chili?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I can see Toby too, won't make it that far. Then,
Thank you, Diane, thank you, thank you. He can't come in.
It's his birthday. My god, that would be him. I'm
mind too, Hi yelly in the morning. Hey up, how
you doing man? What'd you do? That wasn't me?
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I interviewed a guy. I run a car dealership. I
interviewed a guy at came in, said y'all should hire me.
I'm a I like the party, and then started snorting.
I started and then said you'll see when you hire me.
I then looked at him and said, awesome. I'm a
retired narcotics investigator. Oh no, said, He stood up, said thanks,
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and walk out.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
He applied again a couple.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
He applied again a couple of months later, and we
hired him. And today is his first day?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Wait? Today is.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
He starts?
Speaker 6 (18:44):
He starts today in about goes That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That's awesome. Oh my god, that is great. I'm very good,
Thank you, thank you, my friend. Can I can I
ask a question though, is that like if I if
I got told like the one, the one interview, that
I really did screw up, I would never apply to
work there again. Right, So like the place with the
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car dealership. His response was, I like to party.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
That's not changing for the next job.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
He tried again and he got I mean, god bless
he got the job. Would I would never even dawn
on me to apply for something else there? Now if
they came back and said, hey, Elliott, listen, you're not
really qualified for A. We do have some positions and
B is this interesting? Yes, well, then go home and
apply for that. Like that's different. That happens than just
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being like you bombed, you embarrassed yourself, get out and
then you I would never like I would, I would
yell shove it before I would reapply. I don't accept apologies.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
There are people who are shameless. There are people who
don't recognize these stories are being told after the fact,
but they may have no idea that it was even
a problem for the interviewer. So that's that's awareness, maybe
just something they don't possess.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Oh, look at that chick and you didn't get the job,
and somebody's like, did you ever hear from them?
Speaker 6 (20:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Not since I blurted out, look at that hot chick.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
This is a comment from a Justin had A candidate
at the end of an otherwise successful interview, ask if
the fact that I'm a registered sex offender going to
be a problem?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Oh but you know, what can I can I ask
an honest question. Don't you have to disclose as part
of just as a job.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
No, no, no, think now your status on a sex
offender registry.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Because again, you would much rather for two reasons. Number one,
you don't want somebody just doing like the like the
neighborhood watchdog fit and you show up. Number two is
what if you're one of those people that legit was
like peing in public and your people, wouldn't you rather
get ahead of that?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It looks like most jobs that have a lot of
contact with children, do you ask?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
They should?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
But not every job is like.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
This place doesn't this place, No, no, this place doesn't.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
This at least twenty some years ago, this place didn't
have a question about that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I don't. I don't think they do now.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Kristen, do they do they have a sex offender question.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Or did they just ask have you been?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
If somebody's on it, who would it most likely be.
You're ready on three
Miscommunication, misunderstanding or conversational misfire cost them their job potential immediately.
I'm sure there's some instances. So you're gonna tell me
you've never fallen into that category. I've never fallen into it.
You know what. Good on you? Good? No, good on you,
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good on you?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
All right? Very good?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Diana and Tyler?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Was that supposed to be me or Diana? You just did?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's just bad, Just be course, just course. When filling
out forms for a client, every line marks sign as
in for your signature. The candidate just wrote sagittarius. My god,
these are like major. Oh but that's kind of funny.
That's kind of fun cost them the job. It's should
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cost them the job.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I thought this was going to be like gray area stuff.
What do you mean you said? Just would you? She
is a communicational misfires or something.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Miscommunication, misunderstanding or conversational misfire.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Conversational misfires? Yeah, one person was. Guy's not even that's
on a four in person. You could see where you
get like diarrhea of the mouth, and then you you
dig yourself a hole. You can't.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I did that, climb out, I did that in a
bad way. Mine was horrible.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You've told us this story before.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, it was horrible.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I was interviewing for a job at a radio station
and I went out with I'd never met the general manager,
but she was pretty conservative. And I was there and
we were all there was a group of like four
of us and we were talking and they mentioned somebody
else that works at the station, and I go, oh,
I know them. They used to work at a different station,
and she and some other guy at that station they
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got caught in the station van having anal sex and
down goes Segal. Years later, a buddy of mine who
ran into her brought me up and she was like, yeah,
probably the worst interview ever had.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah it was bad. That was bad. That was bad.
That's a misfire. That's a communication misfire from somebody who
works at YO Staffing Services. I had one candidate who
went in for a face to face interview and just
gave snarky, literal answers the whole time. Like they asked
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him what his ideal job would be, and he said
one where I would get paid to do nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
OK.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But that's that's that's like a that's an icebreaker.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So the candidate thought me, being clever or quote unquote cleverness, yes,
would appeal to the hiring manager.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Why well, then they asked what his ideal commute would
be like, and he said the office would be next
to my house. Again, that's that's it. That one is
the office manager being a little too rigid.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Rigid, I think you can't walk in with that sort
of strut when you're interviewing.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
From Kinney recruiting, one of my former colleagues had a
candidate interview for a legal assistant position at a law firm.
Great job. That day, her phone rings. All I could
hear was my colleague saying, what no, really, Then she
came over and told me she told her candidate to
wear a suit to the interview. Her candidate showed up
(03:32):
in a juicy couture sweatsuit. I'm with you, Christen, that's hysterical, okay,
But shame on, no shame no, no, shame on the
shame on the the candidate, you you know, not the candidate,
the hiring person.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
No shame on the candidate.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Why why shame on that they showed up? You're matching
matching couture.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Okay, it's not a couture, it's a sweatsuit. Then you're
just dumb. Why'd you say the position was uh, legal
assistance assistant.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I'm not from facing. I'm not from facing.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Because they're behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I wish now, Diane. When my interview with Diane went
very well, But I don't even remember what you wore.
You could have wore sweatsuit.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
No, I didn't, I remember, did you really?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Did you really that? Maybe the last time I saw
you on a skirt, I mean, other than a funeral?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Probably was it?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Really? It wore a skirt.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
It was a job interview. I was dressing up.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I probably had shorts on. Yeah you did. I was
definitely the most overdressed one in the group.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But I wasn't trying to get a job. I had
a job. I could have worn the juicy couture. I
like this one a lot. Okay, Major Lindsay and some
but I don't know some company. Follow me back. When
I was at another firm in private equity, I was
(05:06):
interviewing a candidate and one of the questions I asked
him was have you ever had a challenging relationship with
a manager. If so, how did you approach that to
try to alleviate the relationship.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, that's a great question. Don't they say, though, let
me let me hit pause if they say, have you
ever had a challenging relationship? Aren't you just supposed to
say nothing bad, just keep your eye?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
No, because because then it's like, well.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
We butted heads on a few projects, but we always
ended up working it out.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I don't even think you should say that, because then
it makes it look like, oh, so you were you
were you were abstinate guy.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Well maybe, okay, whatever perpose?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You know what I meant.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
That was a conversational miss fire. Maybe everyone knows at
some point it's not always honky door. Yes, if you're
being honest, you're going to say yes to this question.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, but you're also not being honest for most of
the questions. No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Commute? Was the office next price house?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Or yes?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Anyway, how did you approach and try to alleviate the
relationship with the manager? The candidate said he really didn't
like his current manager, and while you don't want to
speak negatively about your manager when you're in an interview,
he told me that his manager was very weight conscious,
(06:34):
always dieting, watching what he ate and struggled. So the
candidate decided, this is what he told the recruiter. The
candidate decided he would go to Krispy Kreme every morning
and bring in half a dozen donuts to his manager
as a nice gesture. The candidate said he would put
the box on his boss's desk so that he would
always have the temptation to eat him and be mad
(06:56):
at himself.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Dick, So he's sabotaging his health efforts. Yeah, that's horrible.
Did that person get the job? Okay?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Good? No, they this person went on and said, that's
the most messed up response I've ever had. That would
make me chuckle.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, it means the person is like having fun.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Dieting is hard. You don't need to have a box
of Krispy Creams on your damn desk every day.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I didn't fire Kristen for bringing in chips and salta today.
You asked her to, well, she asked, and I said yes,
she said go get it. No, christ was like should
I bring it in? I was like, yeah, why are
you even typing this? Just do it please?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh that is the Krispy tree thing.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Is that's awesome. That one's good. Oh, my god, that one's.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Good once you can understand not every day.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oh, I've had some managers, Number one, I have had
some big boy managers that I didn't like. I wish
I would have thought of that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You've wanted to poison people's food.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
True, that true in all this case. So this for
me is a step up.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
This case is a little bit better, unless there could
have been some sort of allergic reaction.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Mister Durrow used to eat like crazy. He was He
worked at one of the movie theaters I worked at.
He spent a lot of time in the back room
of the concession area. He loved the chocolate covered almonds.
I'd bought him donuts all the time. That's a good one.
(08:29):
That's a really good one.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Steve writes, had an applicant start talking crap about the
program and the director, with the director sitting in on
the interview. Ooh, We politely told her the director was present,
but the applicant continued to talk crap. But you know what,
what a plus for being honest, Like you said, your
most recent employment. You're not supposed to speak negatively about that.
(08:55):
You were supposed to if you're telling a story, make
it far back in the past.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
But why why can't why why I'm Elliott after X
many years you're leaving? Why? Oh, just it's the greatest place. No,
it really is. I love the people. Everybody's right. You're
leaving for a reason.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, but you're also taking a very traditional model of
occupational longevity. People don't stay at places for decades and decades, right,
so you do go from job to job, But it's
not good to while you're interviewing for somebody your current
self is beefing with your manager. Maybe back in the day.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
When has Kristen Derris she raised her cheek like she
was being maybe.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Back in the day when you were younger you but
has you don't want to hear that. You're bringing in
somebody now that.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
But you're not bringing in a mouth content. Now, why
are you leaving? Listen? I didn't get along with my manager.
He was very lazy, fair and didn't push and I listen,
my biggest fault, you know this, I worked too hard.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I worked too many hours. It's a red flag. And
for Steve when they're talking, as he said, crap about
the future job.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, that I don't get although is there any like
is he trying to say? Is there any relevance of
going listen? I've done my homework. I've studied your company
and there are some flaws here that I think I
could fix. Is that good? You gotta be careful, like what, well,
I'll tell you what. The director doesn't do a good job.
Stay vague sitting right there, because you have to say
(10:29):
you can improve it. You can.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I've got some really good ideas that I'd like to
talk to you.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
See, I don't like saying that.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That's positive.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
You don't have to say the director said.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I don't like saying that. I don't like saying that.
And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Oh
what kind of ideas? Like what could you bring? And
that's when you got to look at them and go
them ideas ain't free. No, you don't say that, Yes,
you just what my idea? My ideas deal with raising revenue.
One of those ideas.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
We're really successful with this plan that I implemented that
helped us raise our revenue.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
That's great and that's what we're looking for here at
McGillicuddy and sons. Give me an idea, what kind of
plan was it?
Speaker 5 (11:12):
But my P and L statements around in the same world.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That's why you can't do that.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Because I'm not in that world and you're asking me
to come up with something.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Like that, like and again, the only job I know
are movie theaters in radio and so I like when
they ask a program director, what would you do, like
write out a plan, what would you do to fix
the station? And they all do it. They're all sheeple
because what I would do is go you pay for that,
hire me, hire me.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Yeah, but that's combative.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Oh I didn't get the job, Well, here's what you
should have done. Then I give it to them for free.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Be careful what you say if you don't get the job,
because there may be another position that you're qualified for
that opens up at that.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Oh APD business, what are they going to hire me for?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I'm not talking specifically about radio.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Oh so the Juicy cout tour. I didn't get the
legal assistant, but I could be the assistant to the assistant.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
No, when they come back, I'm saying and say, you
didn't get it for something. Maybe that wasn't as obvious
as wearing a suit versus the Swiss balls exactly. You
don't want to do that unless you you've been so
turned off in the process.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I have that director set right there, that director sat right.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
There, we'd never want to work there.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Where am I going to? Kristen Line four? Hi, Elliot
the morning? Hey, good morning? How are you? What'd you say?
What'd you do?
Speaker 6 (12:32):
I was interviewing candidates for a role and this young woman,
she was great. She said, how much longer is this
going to take? Do you mind if I have a
smoke break?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
That's good?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Now are you supposed to are you a thank you?
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Sir?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Did she not get the job because of that? I
hired her? She's wonderful, see thank you? No, No, that's
what I was going to say, thank you sir? Aren't
two part question? Aren't you supposed to give them a
break while doing the interviews? You have to take a break,
gather yourself a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That would be maybe a nice gesture between if they're
meeting with multiple people, but in the middle of one sit.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Down with somebody, I gotta have a cigarette?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
How long I maybe are these interviews? Sometimes these days.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
They'll go on forever. Yeah, they go on.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
We've talked about it before. What is it called when
you sit in front of a board.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
And they sort of like rotate through you.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, they basically all get to ask you a questions for.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Interview.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Now I'm thinking of penthouse for him.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Amen, dude, if that didn't give you a chub back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Oh my god, unfortunate time for me to look. Be
looking right at Kristen.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
From Ivan Adler Associates. A candidate was interviewing with a
client in a room with a large window looking out
onto the streets of Washington d c.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
The candidate was facing the window. The hiring manager had
their back to the window. During the interview, the candidate
all of a sudden blurted out, Wow, that's a great
looking chick who just walked by.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Jesus that this is happening in a professional.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Settle, because that just catches are supposed to somebody who's observant.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You are supposed to be on your best behavior.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I am my best behavior.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Now you should have asked for a break instead.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Would you not? You? No, Dan, you can't vape in
the office, would you? Would you frown on an employee
who walked like you're nervous? Right, Diane you're the hiring manager.
Tyler and I both interview for the job. We're essentially even.
I may even be better by a hare. Tyler came
(14:58):
in all you know, we both dress fine, everything is good.
But I came in. I was very nervous. I smoked
in the car the entire way there. Does that throw
you off?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Really? Come on, man, that's the scrim Wow, that's a
good look at jig a loss here.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Maybe you were proud of yourself for phrasing your comment
about her beauty in the way you did, because you
know locker room talk, you would have said something much time.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Oh amen, from data Space, there was one candidate. This
goes back to eat balls and be careful how you
respond if you don't get the job. Yes, there was
one candidate who told us to shove it when we
told him the job wasn't going to work out. A
week later, he applied for another job with us. There
(15:48):
you go, and he kept doing it for years.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
In our applicant tracking system, you could see the same
candidate's email is tied to all these applications. You can
also see the correspondence we've had and there are numerous
times that when we've sent a message like our apologies,
but this role has been closed. He simply responds with,
I don't accept apologies.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm gonna love this guy.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That sounds like you as well.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Shove it, Hi, Elliott the morning.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Hi is this name?
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Who's this?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Hi? My name is Ellie.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
What'd you do?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So, when I was in my late twenties almost thirties,
if it was offered a first round interview for a job,
and the date they offered me was my birthday, and
I wrote back and said I can't do that day,
it's my birthday.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Did they reply throw the f up?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
They were forgiving and offered me another date and I
got the job.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Are you siria?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
My god?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
By the way, who in this building most likely to
respond to a job interview requests? That way? As a couple,
who would be most likely to go I can't. I
can't do the job interview that day? It's my birthday?
Who in this building?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Again? There's a couple somebody that we worked directly with?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yes? On three? Just do you do you have a guess?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay? On three, say the name Wait Kristen wants you
have a guess okay, wait, hold on, turn yourself on.
Three wait well one, don't don't say it? One, two,
three names okay? You ready? Okay? One? Two, three dustin? Okay,
I got three dustins? Who did you say that?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Chili?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I can see Toby too, won't make it that far. Then,
Thank you, Diane, thank you, thank you. He can't come in.
It's his birthday. My god, that would be him. I'm
mind too, Hi yelly in the morning. Hey up, how
you doing man? What'd you do? That wasn't me?
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I interviewed a guy. I run a car dealership. I
interviewed a guy at came in, said y'all should hire me.
I'm a I like the party, and then started snorting.
I started and then said you'll see when you hire me.
I then looked at him and said, awesome. I'm a
retired narcotics investigator. Oh no, said, He stood up, said thanks,
(18:31):
and walk out.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
He applied again a couple.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
He applied again a couple of months later, and we
hired him. And today is his first day?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Wait? Today is.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
He starts?
Speaker 6 (18:44):
He starts today in about goes That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That's awesome. Oh my god, that is great. I'm very good,
Thank you, thank you, my friend. Can I can I
ask a question though, is that like if I if
I got told like the one, the one interview, that
I really did screw up, I would never apply to
work there again. Right, So like the place with the
(19:13):
car dealership. His response was, I like to party.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
That's not changing for the next job.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
He tried again and he got I mean, god bless
he got the job. Would I would never even dawn
on me to apply for something else there? Now if
they came back and said, hey, Elliott, listen, you're not
really qualified for A. We do have some positions and
B is this interesting? Yes, well, then go home and
apply for that. Like that's different. That happens than just
(19:42):
being like you bombed, you embarrassed yourself, get out and
then you I would never like I would, I would
yell shove it before I would reapply. I don't accept apologies.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
There are people who are shameless. There are people who
don't recognize these stories are being told after the fact,
but they may have no idea that it was even
a problem for the interviewer. So that's that's awareness, maybe
just something they don't possess.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Oh, look at that chick and you didn't get the job,
and somebody's like, did you ever hear from them?
Speaker 6 (20:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Not since I blurted out, look at that hot chick.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
This is a comment from a Justin had A candidate
at the end of an otherwise successful interview, ask if
the fact that I'm a registered sex offender going to
be a problem?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Oh but you know, what can I can I ask
an honest question. Don't you have to disclose as part
of just as a job.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
No, no, no, think now your status on a sex
offender registry.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Because again, you would much rather for two reasons. Number one,
you don't want somebody just doing like the like the
neighborhood watchdog fit and you show up. Number two is
what if you're one of those people that legit was
like peing in public and your people, wouldn't you rather
get ahead of that?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It looks like most jobs that have a lot of
contact with children, do you ask?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
They should?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
But not every job is like.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
This place doesn't this place, No, no, this place doesn't.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
This at least twenty some years ago, this place didn't
have a question about that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I don't. I don't think they do now.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Kristen, do they do they have a sex offender question.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Or did they just ask have you been?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
If somebody's on it, who would it most likely be.
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