EITM: Perfect Makes Miserable 7/24/25

When you need to do everything right.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Hey, who's this?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hey, it's Kathy.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, Kathy. How are you good? I am doing excellent?
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Are you the Are you the perfectionist seeker? I?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, I am a perfectionist.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
To the point of doesn't it sound like and I
don't mean this with any disrespect, but doesn't it sound
like when you say that out loud, like it sounds very.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
What's the word I'm looking for? Almost bougie?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
No?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
No, yes, a little bit.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh, I'm such a perfectionist like it almost it almost
carries a little bit of.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
An error to it. But she's willing to admit, Oh, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
But when you just say that, it's it sounds a
little it sounds like there's a little bit of an
error to it anyway, But for you, it's debilitating. It is.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
It's to the point where I actually seek therapy. I
go to therapy weekly. It's part of my OCD diagnosis.
It's gotten so bad to the point where it's almost
ruined my marriage because with my perfectionism, I have preconceived
notions of how everything should be, including my marriage, including

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my husband or those around me, and when they don't
meet those expectations, that only I have created. It shatters
my world. I just can't handle it, and so luckily
my husband and I also go through couples counseling.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
To try to work through this.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
But it's like I have a fantasy of what perfection
should be. Everyone should be it, and when they're not,
it really shatters my world.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Can I first say thank you? Because what your expectation
of me is must be very low? No, I love you,
but you have no expect no expectation of me.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Well, it's funny. You're actually part of my OCD in a.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Really weird way.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, in what way?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Okay? I love you very much.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
But you tend to repeat yourself or stutter sometimes, and
so I have to count the number of times you
do it.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
So if you repeat a word, I have to count it.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
And you do this every day? Oh can you call
every year?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Guy?

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Wait a minute, I don't understand that.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's it's part of my OCD. It's just a compulsion.
I can't help it. I just anytime.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
I mean, you tend to do it a lot, so
it happens with you, but it's with everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
If they repeat themselves, I have to count it.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I don't even understand what you mean by repeat your
repeat myself.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Like if you'd say, the last night.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I went to a restaurant. What was it called? What
was it called? What was it called?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
When I stammer, I stammer, yeah, boy, yeah, okay, Well
you know what, you don't.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
You mess up? Oh she's perfect.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I don't like you.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well you think I like.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Sitting there going what's it called? What's it called? What's
it called? That's how I think I think out loud
like that.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I have a mental problem. It's okay, yeah you do.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Wait, wait, don't make it worse. See, well she came
at me. She can't. No, don't say that again. Don't
say that again. Hey, but so can I ask you this?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
So the thing that I was reading in I am
so self conscious about myself.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Talking right now. For one. No, that's okay, that's all right, man.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
So this thing that I was reading about perfectionism, and
it sounds like yours is a little bit different. The
thing that I was reading made it sound like people
who struggle with this, and I guess it can manifest
itself in several ways. The thing that I was reading
is it's not for the people that struggle with it,
where it's really debilitating. It's not that other people aren't

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meeting an expectation that they have set out, not just
for themselves but for other people. Is that their fear
is people who struggle with perfectionism, their fear is is
even though they think that they're doing right, others may
not perceive them as having been perfect, and that bothers them,

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Like what report card?

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Great? Are they getting right?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Kind of that like imposter syndrome?

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, I mean, I can understand why you're saying that
it's not accurate. But I can understand why you would
say that. But they were saying for a lot of
these people, they get so overwhelmed with how are they be?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
They also said this, I thought this was weird.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
They also said that for these people, they don't believe
in unconditional love for the most part's what do you
mean you get that?

Speaker 4 (05:00):
I don't think it's possible with this world full of
what eight billion people, that only one person is supposed
to fulfill your entire needs one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I don't think it's possible.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
That's not really unconditional.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, I would say my interpretation would have been different,
where it is that that person can't do. Like I've
always said, the first the first, the first time I
really felt unconditional love. This will get me in trouble.
Later was my kids. No, it's true.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, I know why it's gonna get you in trouble. No, no,
and I'll tell you why.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Because I can't conceive of my kids doing something that
I would I could hate them for I could get
very any well. I could hate them, like if they
if they became horrible people and and just did horrible things,
I could hate them, but they would still be my
kids and I would still I believe in my heart
I would still love them, but I would be very angry.

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I can I can go down that same road with
Jackie and go I would hate you, and that that
would be it. Like I could conceive of and listen,
I love Jackie to death, but I could conceive of
not if that makes sense, yes, where she could do
something that I wouldn't love her anymore. I don't think
I could. I don't think I could do that with

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my kids. So I believe that that is the first time,
and it took me a while with my kids, but
that was the first time that I really think I
understood what unconditional love was.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think that's really important.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I mean not thank you.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Unfortunately I don't have parents that provide conditional love.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Our relationship is very.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Conditional, so it does make sense that healthy relationships have
that aspect, but.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Unhealthy relationships it's right.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
No, No, I would say that from a growing up standpoint,
but not from a.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Not from a speaking as the parent.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, as a parent. Yeah, And but that doesn't mean
it's bad. Like I love Jackie, would really have to
f up for me to hate her. Like if I
walked in and Jackie had a room full of guys
that she was banging, I'd hate her like I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I wouldn't love her anymore.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Right, But if my kids did something criminal, I would
still I would be I would hate them, but I
would still love.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Them where I don't think that would exist with anybody else.
But also what you said about constantly being graded by others, Yes,
then I can understand the unconditional love comment, because that
person who's suffering from perfectionism doesn't think they can be
loved unless they're perfect. Oh, I get that. I get that.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, that was me growing up, Like it was straight
a's perfection always doing what was right.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
There was no love.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
So this is you think that your perfectionism came out
of your environment, wouldn't it always?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Now, I guess there may just be some people who
are born with it. Yeah, yeah, I mean that would
make sense. I mean, listen, I was a straight A student.
Has he ever repeated that before?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
A couple times?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Here's I like this. This is how it was written.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Perfectionism is a trait that makes life an endless report
card on accomplishments or looks. When healthy, it can be
self motivating and drive you to overcome adversity and achieve success.
When unhealthy, it can be a fast and enduring track
to unhappiness. They said, a lot of people who are
who suffer from perfectionism are insomniacts. They can't sleepy, they

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are miserable. They have such anxiety and such stress that
no even if they think that their performance was perfect,
their behavior was perfect, that what what their their their
project was perfect. Unless everybody else sees it that way,
it was a failure. And that I don't want to

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say that you spend your whole time trying to please
everybody else, but you're just trying to not make a mistake, yeah,
or disappoint that or or they look.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
At you as though, no, you lost, You're a loser.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
It's very exhausting.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
And to cap things off, I also am a professional dancer,
so coming from the world of dance where unless your body,
your image, everything you do is perfect, you also are
a failure.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
So just adding to the list.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Hey, what kind of dancer are you? Like, like like
good guys or I mean that's professional, or like a ballerina?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
A ballerina?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Are you really? Yeah, you make mistakes all the time?

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Not you, I mean just no, no, but you would
make mistakes all the time.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I bet those teachers didn't help your.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Condition, right, No they did, no.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
But that that's what makes it okay. No, not the
high I make mistakes every single day. You're comparing you
to being a professional dancer. This is actually harder than
being yes.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
No, you're you're doing the same routine every single night.
This is different every single day.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
You can't mess up. I mess up all the time.
I know, So it's clearly that there there's no repercussions
for you screwing up.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Who's the most famous ballet person in Sorry, don't count
that one.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
That's a that don't count that. Who's the most famous Barishnikov.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
For male dancers?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Or Misty Copeland, she's the famous female dancer.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, I don't know that is the but I guarantee
you even Mikhail Barishnikov makes mistakes, and that I don't
know what they are. I don't know what perfect ballet
looks like, but I can tell you this if he
has a performance, if he's doing a show, I don't know,
I don't know how it works. But if he's doing
a three week run somewhere and he's doing like a

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ballet thing, a ballet thing, I promise you he makes
a mistake in every single show, right.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
And he probably feels terrible about it when it comes
off stage and everyone saw it.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
No, in his and in his eyes.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, I make mistakes every day and we all hear
them because.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Of us write them down to count. Then does this
sound familiar? Man Britain writes often, I won't start things
if I know it won't be to my standards. Yeah,
so that's not performance, No, that's fear.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
That's fear of Is that control or judgment or both?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
It's both, Like you're just control it down to the t.
Then why should I even try?

Speaker 3 (12:15):
So Perfectionists are big procrastinators.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
They just they put everything off or don't even attend.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, right, they don't even try because there's the fear
of failure, and it stops you from wanting to try.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
But then when you do try, somebody wants to fail. No,
it's a different fear of it.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
There's no such thing as failure except a perfectionist. If
you learn something from your mistakes, perfection I would.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Wouldn't you rather? Wouldn't you rather be like ninety percent?

Speaker 5 (12:55):
Right?

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Then never even try it? That's not perfect. Yeah, but
that's good. I mean, well, then I say that's good enough.
It makes it sound like I'm a loser.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
That's good enough. It's not part of my vocabulary.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Now, I agree you don't want to no, no, but
I agree you don't want a half acid and be like, well,
that's good enough.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I understand that mentality. But you're you're you're painting it
with such a broad stroke. It's not just doesn't do
it half ass?

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (13:28):
And does it well? It's it's percentages. It's smaller slices
of a pie, and for perfectionists it's only well, it'll
never be one hundred percent. It would be so rare.
That's why this is a disorder.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Oh yeah, I guess so, Hey, can I ask you this?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Can I ask you this?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
I said that sentence twice.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
If you feel like you were alone in documenting that,
it looks like the social media has joined you in
this journey.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
What did you? If it's not too personal? And I
do thank you because you've been very open. What do
you say to your husband?

Speaker 4 (14:15):
It's more what I think he should be doing as
a husband, how he should be attending to my needs,
how I feel as though even when we communicate, if
he makes a joke or says words that I don't like,
I'll call him on it and say I didn't like that,
those aren't appropriate words. Don't say that I don't like
how you're talking. And he's his own person. He's allowed

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to think and speak how he wants to. But if
they don't line up with what I feel as though
he should be doing or saying, I don't it crushes
me like our wow to turn miss Elliott.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Sorry, our arguments are.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Terrible because I have a rolling list in my mind
always of all the things he's said or done that
have upset me and I will always rattle through them.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Oh you're a scorecard keeper.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I am right, Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Here, let me say this to you.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Never get rid of this guy because most people would
most people wouldn't put up with that.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah. Yeah, sounds like together for a long time.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
And like I said, it's it's weekly therapy and and
couple counseling.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Is what's telled us together?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Do you think? But at the same time, there's something
very attractive about you, and I think it's the perfectionism.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
The other than no no, because like she's a ballerina.
Other than your feet, I bet you're a very attractive woman.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Talking about physically, I'm talking about in personality disorders.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
The no I would do. You know how badly I
would lash out at you if you were like, you
can't say that.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I'd be like, bitch, no, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (16:02):
If he says, well, let me, well hold on, let
me get out my scorecard, what do you do?

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Then I have more proof to show how those things
that he said that I've done are okay. So I
can do the worst thing possible, but I can justify
it because nothing I do is ever wrong or bad.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I say the same word three times, and you're all
over me.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
That's you.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
That's not for me.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
I gotcha, I gotcha. Got well.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Two things Number one, I'm very glad that you called
you're great. Number two like I also, I do appreciate
that that you and your husband both go to therapy
to try to I don't want to say fix you,
but like.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
To to be able to to be able to deal
with it. Sorry, I stuttered there for a moment. It's
all right, very good, very good.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Light to me yourself. You can let tell you, you
can let it, Diane Kristen, I don't lying in our relationship.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Okay, all right, very good, Thank you, Ballerina.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Thanks Wow, that was great.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
Sounds exhausting and she agreed to it that it was.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
It would be exhausting. I'm doing it in my head.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
It's exhausting. I'm sure for the husband too.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
That guy is sounds like it's saying absolutely no. But
were you going to describe him that way? They say again,
were you gonna say he was a saint?

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, okay, I was gonna say, angel I thought you
were going to use some more pejorative term pussy. No
the yeah, why he's a pussy like he gets what
walked all over i'bout tolerant the no what what what what?

Speaker 3 (17:47):
That's pejorative what I already said it twice.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
I just would to God, it is so. She is
so in my head. She is so in my head.
And I just said that twice. Maybe every once in
a while she needs to call in and just remind
you she's listening store card. It could do you well,

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I think, I don't think so. If it's just gonna
make yourself constable, makes you think more before you speak.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
But I don't even let words out now, like I'm
counting all of them as they come out of my mouth.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
That's not how I that's not how the that's you
know what. I'm also count just say we can cross
reference at the end of the show. Let me get
out of my calculator, because it's going to be some
complex man. Hi, elliot in the morning. He Hi, who's this?

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (18:54):
My name's Andrew. How are you Andrew? I am doing well?
What can I do for you, sir?

Speaker 8 (18:59):
I just call to let you know that I treat
people with perfection issues and I figured I can share
some information if you have questions.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Agree or disagree with this statement. That's gonna be a
couple of statements.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Agree or.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Perfectionism knows no age, knows, no race, knows no culture.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
That is true.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
And they said that they're starting to see it they
being people like you doctors, it creep in or showing
signs of itself at a younger and younger and younger age.
So what used to be late and I don't want
to say later in life, like into your fifties and sixties,
but when you're an adult, they're starting to see it
creep up or at least it's more, it's more recognized

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younger and younger.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
Well so, yeah, but let me give you a little
bit of background that may put it in perspective. So
we all know that social media gives us exposure to
things that we would not have seen, you know, pre
social media. So there's all this desire to be perfect,
like the pictures that are dockered and all these types
of things. But basically, in general, when you're talking about perfectionism,

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you're talking about one of three things. You're talking about
someone who's got some sort of an anxiety disorder, they
have obsessive compulsive disorder, or they have obsessive compulsive personality disorder.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Those are all three separate things.

Speaker 8 (20:33):
There's other things as well, but these are the three
primary things, and the way that you differentiate between those
is why the person feels the need to be perfect, which,
by the way, there is no such thing as perfection
because you can always be more perfect. Right, So they're
chasing an unsolvable puzzle.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
But if you have anxiety.

Speaker 8 (20:55):
Disorder, generally you're thinking to yourself things like, oh, well,
I don't want to go to that party because everybody's
going to think that I'm stupid, or everybody's going to
think that I'm dressed wrong.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
So that's like, that's like where Britain said he won't
even attempt to start something because it won't reach his standards.

Speaker 8 (21:16):
Yeah, it's already already decided that he can never achieve
the perfectionism that he's trying to achieve. But the common
phrase that I use with patients there is stop worrying
about what you think other people are thinking about you,
because you don't know what other people are thinking about you.
And to make that generalized broad statement that everybody is

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thinking such and such, it's just not true. But it's
hard for them to get past that.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Well, I was going to say, that seems like like, oh,
oh okay, well problem solves like that, seems like it
would be.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
It's it sounds like.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
An easy solution, oversimplify, but for them, it's not.

Speaker 8 (21:56):
Right. For them, it's not they can't see it. And
then you have the second part, which is those with
ocd OBS. That's a compulsive disorder where they feel the
need to be perfect. They don't want to be They
hate the fact that they feel that need, but they
can't get past it. So that's not like that.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Like that, and what's the other one personality disorder.

Speaker 8 (22:19):
Right o CD personality disorder is they like being perfect,
but it goes so far that they get debilitated by it.
So in other words, all the books on their bookshelf
have to be lined up just perfectly, Diane. But then
it gets to the point where I can't even leave
the house because it might be you know, an eights

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of a fraction of an inch off, and I got
to make sure that I get that one just right.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, Diane, isn't that far. But they all have to
way lined up.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
Yeah, But you know, so there's you know, there's people
that enjoy having things lined up.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
There's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 8 (22:59):
But when it gets to the point that it's stabilitating,
then it turns into that personality disorder part. So there's
there's different things that can lead to this perfectionism, and
therefore the treatments are different. So it's it's much more
complex than just someone who wants to be perfect.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
So, like you said the ballerina example, wouldn't you just
tell her, hey, you're not going to be perfect.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Like you're not like, you're not gonna no, no, no,
She's in weekly therapy, so.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I understand that, but now I'm being her therapist. Listen,
this guy just went with, don't let it bother you.
Is the You're you're not going to be perfect, know
that going in, So just strive to be the best one.

Speaker 8 (23:39):
Well, but that's easy for someone without perfectionism to say,
because of logical what they're doing is not.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
A logical, logical person. I'm a very logical person.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, I don't need to be I don't need to
be the fastest. I don't need to be the perfect runner.
I just need to be faster than everybody else.

Speaker 8 (23:57):
That's all right, But to them, you know, think about it.
You've got an olympian, right who sets the world record
in swimming, whatever it may be. But they can still
think to themselves, yeah, but I wasn't perfect because I
could have done a tenth of a second more and
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I still won the I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
No.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
No, But like the don't hit it the.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
No.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
But like Katie Ladeci comes to mind, thank.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
You doctor, another great call?

Speaker 8 (24:30):
She owns?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
She owns? How many?

Speaker 3 (24:33):
She owns a lot of world records. I guarantee you
she gets out of the pool and goes.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
I f that up.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yes, I agree, of course she does. That's my Barishnikov.
He made he made a hundred mistakes during his performance. Okay,
but he's still the best one. I bet Katie Ladecki
would tell you she's never swam a perfect race, but
she's done well enough to be the best one.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Good enough.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
But again, I don't like saying good enough because that
makes it sound like you're half ascid.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
But you do hear from some athletes later in their
careers or after retirement where they talk about the struggle mentally,
not the physical struggle, but the emotional exhaustion of striving
for that level where they did seem's eyes to be
good enough because they were setting records, they were winning championship. Yeah,

(25:31):
well he sought for Alex Rodriguez, he sought help to
make him even better than his own natural ability. A legend.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
No, I guess he confessed the anyway, that's neither here
nor there.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
You brought him up. What's his lame thing?

Speaker 7 (25:48):
Is that gum disease he talks about?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's real. I have it too. Yeah, I don't know
what what was that?

Speaker 3 (25:59):
That was fine?

Speaker 1 (26:01):
But it was it was fine. Oh, I just didn't
do line seven. Hi, Elliot in the morning, I got you.
Who's this?

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Hi? Uh? My name is Steve from Bethesa sir. Uh
so uh. You guys are spot on with this perfectionism thing.
I'm an art teacher and one of the things I
try and teach my students is aim for perfection, but
accept precision. You know, in you've got the you've got

(26:39):
the vision in your head, and you've got the process,
and in the process you're going to make so called mistakes.
I think you're absolutely right with Borisha Kopf and and
the Decky. You know, none of those things are flawless.

Speaker 8 (26:57):
But to to to us.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
We see this perfection.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
In the art world, you would say that, like, who's
the guy who painted the sixteen Cistine Chapel?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Michaelangelo? Michelangelo.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
I bet I bet he would look at the Sistine
Chapel and I don't know if that's considered the greatest
painting of all time, but he's famous. I bet he
would look at it. Yeah, I think he would look
at it and go like jack that up.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Well, And that's what I try and teach my kids.
You know, you, as the artist, you see all the
should have beens and the mistakes. But the average person,
they're not going to see all that. They see the
Sistine Chapel, they see this. Yeah, would you Yeah, you're
you're You're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Thank you, thank you, all right, very good, very good.
I appreciate it. Thank you, sir, Absolutely you got it.
Talk to you later. That's good. A lot of people
are feeling seen after those calls. Not what I thought
you were going to say. I'm only twenty nine and
my perfectionist trait has led me to stage two hypertension.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Oh god, oh, they said, a lot of people with it,
frequently accompanied by depression, anxiety, OCD, eating disorders, why would
that cause an eating disorder?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Ask god Ballerina. Yeah, your body?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, oh yeah, I guess I didn't think of that
because that's not that's not your.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Performance, it's she kind of alluded to her image, oh,
constantly being jeous.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
Yeah, I bet it's common or like fitness professionals too.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Oh see, because I looked at it, like, go back
to athletes. If I don't eat the same meal every
single day, it changes my performance.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
But that's kind of OCD and maybe a little bit
of superstition in there, superstition, but a lot of it
is also nutritional. But there, Yeah, there are some people
who feel like they poison their diets with one cheat snack.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, then I won't have the perfect game again, strive
to win, not to be perfect.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Who was the thing I care if I'm perfect? Father
who abused his son?

Speaker 7 (29:05):
Yeah, the one who couldn't have birthday cake?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Right, Marinovich Todd Marinovitch's old man, right, they said.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
And obviously in extreme cases, you know where that ends up.
Suicidal tendency for sure. Yeah, that's bad. Hopefully if you
identified with any of these symptoms, call me, no, call
a therapist.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
That woman called I had a great conversation where she
goes to therapy. Right, so I'm a good supplemental to that.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
You're certainly not alone, Thank you, not you