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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So you'll see the story popping around, But I don't
think people are giving it the credit that it deserves.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
What do you mean.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
The massive cheating scandal at the World Stone Skimming Championships?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Is it because there's there's a little bit of snark
to the headlines about it?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yes, and yeah, you know what, it's being treated like
the when they weighed the fish down with the weight.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Well that was that was massive and treated as such.
We made fun of some of the players in the video.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh so maybe that's maybe that's my fault.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Where's the crowd now?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, so maybe it's my fault. We got weights and fish.
We got weights and fish.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And then there was so much cursing in that video.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
By the way, do you know so the world where
is skimming the.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Same thing as skipping?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I thought so?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Right? Uh?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh is here is there another controversy brewing the this
says skimming? Yeah, I never called it that as a kid.
Now it's always skip.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
You did a lot of stone skipping?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Oh yes, did you really? By the way, us me
four devices.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Do yourself a favor. Go to NAT's Park on Friday.
The barbecue's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Come again, you didn't get through the commercial break, I
said to you. I was like, oh my god, you
guys spent so much time talking about the whiskey and
the verb like the food outstanding is so good?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, I mean you could, you could not care about
any of that. Just go for the food. Jesus H. Christ.
That's good anyway. Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
So I also didn't realize it took place in Scotland.
It does take place in Scotland. I've never heard of
it before. Do you know how many people take part
in this thing? How many people travel from twenty seven
countries around the world to take part in the World

(01:56):
Stone Skimming champions And I am not embarrassed to tell you.
Jonathan Jennings was the male winner this year.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
He is from Kentucky. He is the.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
First American ever to win the World Stone Skimming Championships.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
But he cheated, No, he did.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Not, because I'll be honest, saw the headline quite a bit,
but I did not read what happened. That's causing the
scandal to be erught.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Here's your problem. So when you get there, all of
it's at a quarry. All of the stones are supposed
to be from the quarry. So the organizers go around
and they get all the stones and everything and that
so that there's no there's no cheating. Well, there's started
to be a lot of rumor and a lot of

(02:50):
talk and gossip kind of bubbling under under the tournament.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
That some people brought their own.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Did he bring from Kentucky?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
The American? Who one is fine?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
No, no, I was saying.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I mentioned him during where the biggest You don't understand
how big this competition is. Twenty seven countries, including the
United States of America. So anyway, some people, not the
Kentucky man, brought their own stones, and when they did,
they were, oh, well, how did this guy get a

(03:34):
perfectly round stone with the perfect etchings in it that
would allow it?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
There are certain rules that.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Must be followed when skimming stones, I'm sure as a kid.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Oh my god, that was a bite and swallow.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
You don't understand. I am hungry and this is great.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I thought you were like taking a deep breath to read.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
No, I was inhaling a piece of brisket.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I'm going to move it the south so I can move.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I'm going to move it a.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Sport or tap me when you're about to bite. So
so we know I had no idea anyway, and it
came off as a very pregnant pause. That's where I eat,
which is also how your belly will come off later today.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
So anyway, anyway, at this quarry, there are very specific rules.
For example, like I didn't skim stones when I was
a kid.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I'm a city kid. Where am I? We would throw
rocks in the water, but were skipping stones.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I think maybe I probably, like when I was young,
baby did it two or three times and that's it.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I never like went to a body of water to
do this, but if I was a near one, it
was fun.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Oh, if you buy water in there a rock, it's
going in the water, eated it.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
You throw?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
No, you'd throw for distance, You throw for distance.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Skip for distance. Say again you can skip for distance.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
You threw for distance, and you want to hear that blunked? Yeah,
Like I threw rocks into the Niagara.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Falls when we were with us. No, no, no, no,
on a different trip. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
No.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
If there if there's water and there's rocks, goes in water.
But I don't.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I think maybe like when I was really young, probably
once or twice we tried skimming a stone.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
And you just weren't very good at it, so you
said forget it.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I couldn't tell you if I was good at it
or not. I have no memory. I bet i'd be
all right at it.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
So what are their specific roles?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
The stone must bounce on the water twice?

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Oh you're talking about in the competition. Oh yeah, not
so you So you can pick your own stone.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Out of the stones that are available.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
But so they have already checked through the ones that
are available. It's not like some areas are off limit
at the quarry.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
No, No, the stones have been gathering, okay, and then
the competitors come up and they do it. So you
had competitors that would come up and just kind of
finger the stones and walk away. And now, but look
what's in my pocket, This perfectly round, perfectly etched stone.
So all the gossips started. I don't know if it's
hard to skim a stone. Two hundred and six feet

(06:33):
pretty far?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Who I don't. WHOA that doesn't seem that far to me.
Two hundred feet is how many yards?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
You can't picture it in feet?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
No I can't.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
It's how many scotts. It's over twenty basketball hoops.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
That is fun. Yeah, can you can I throw two
hundred and six feet? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Uh can you?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I don't know. Yeah, I could throw a ball two
hundred and six feet and I got warm up.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
You can throw. It's like a little less than seventy yards.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
No, never mind, back that down, back that down. So
seventy yards, I guess that's a long way to skim
a stone.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah that sounds far.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
So anyway, you it has to bounce at least twice.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
And I guess from where the competitors throw to the
back wall of this quarry is two hundred and six feet,
So everybody throws. Everybody who hits the back wall then
advances into the toss off. Okay, and then that's like
another round. Okay, everybody's making faces. I don't get it. Oh,

(07:52):
toss off, let's be adults the as I do the
motion right, so they and then you advance. And that's
how this guy from Kentucky won. But I don't know
at what point during the competition all the moaning and
groaning started.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Was it the incredible distance?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Well, that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
We're so many people doing it, like making the two
hundred and six feet that they were like, something's wrong, like.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
That would be a red flag immediately based on historical averages.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Because remember, you can't find my stone.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yes, you're right, it sinks you even think of that.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, so it's.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Not like it's not like we got weights and fish
where they can cut the fish open and there's weights.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Remember they even put in filats.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh that's right, the right, they we added meat to
the meat. But so there's no way to go back
and retrieve the stones.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
So they'd noticed. Did they have to kind of spy
on the hawsers to see the shapes of their stones
as they approached their next attempts.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
I guess I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Listen, now that I say that, there's no way of knowing,
Jonathan Jennings, you may have skirted it.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
For something so popular that attracts such a global audience.
You hate to hear this.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
By the way, I did find another article the World
Stone Skimming Championships and the annual celebration of the sport
that some calls skipping. Uh there is held every September
in Western Scotland. By the way, this has been going
on for like forty fifty years.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's a big event.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I would have maybe expected it to be older, but
at least it's half a century.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I also would have expected it to be very small.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Oh, in terms of it's for people in the community,
I wouldn't have expect that some guy from Kentucky is
going to see Scotland to go skimming stones. They are
considering now making new rules for future competitions.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
They didn't say it sounds like their rules were skirted.
So what would you change, Like you have to pick
and present.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Oh, yes, that you would have to show, that you
would have to show, and that there would be more
because I guess what some people will do is there
are stones to choose from, but there are also people
that will walk around the quarry and find stones and then.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Say, hey, can I use these? Maybe so you could?
You could? You could? You choose?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
But it has to but it has to be so
there's buckets. But then there's also like I could be
walking along and be like, oh mate, well it doesn't matter.
I could be from the United States. I'd be like, hey,
how about this stone, and they would say yes or no.
So now they're saying that they think one of the
new rule changes is only from.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Buckets, or perhaps they need more marshals. Am I the
most recent marshal from a sporting event Diya yesterday? I
would say, yes, it's important. You got to keep everyone
in line, Diane, and especially when it's a course.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I asked Tyler Tyler was So Tyler's kid runs a
cross country and so Tyler was a course marshall yesterday,
which I've never heard of in my life.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Technically, if anyone listening was there, I had to do
the RoadHead not well, that's sorry, sorry, excuse me.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Sans done that on eighty one.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I was at the head of the road, so I
made sure cars didn't hit kids. So I guess I
I was. I was on the course. I was a
course marshall, right, I just.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I asked Tyler, like, do you yell at the kids,
Like if kids are trying to cheat, do you yell
at them?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
And He's like, no, we don't interact with the kids
at all.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
You're just there to intimidate cars. Yeah, how'd you feel powerful?

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Now?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
I get why people are crossing arts. I didn't have gloves.
I'm gonna bring him next time, but it is, but
I maintain neutrality. Actually didn't cheer on either of the
teams because I wanted to do my job, which was
protecting the runners from moving vehicles. And they did cross.
They cross, And the reason I said, I was at

(12:19):
the head of it. They cross over five different entrances
to the school right, so it's grass grass cross cross, grass,
and then road grass gross cross. And but we had
a we have a two lane entrance, and I will
say this and then we'll get back to the rock skipping.
If you were a married couple, don't volunteer for a

(12:41):
section that is right next to each other. Because when
the race was over, we're very proud of our son.
He did well. It was for him, his best race.
But I was then told that I yelled at my
wife the whole time about.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
What I stopped that car doing it wrong? That car
she was todhead.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
She was she didn't extend her arm enough to get
cars to stop.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
And you serious, did any child get hit? No good job, Lindsay,
you did your job.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I was yelling at her, allegedly, so.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Would you run over? I'll stop the car, Lindsey.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
But I got so the power went to my head.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
So quickly did you stop cars when they didn't need
to be stopped?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Coach had had. He showed us how to do it
before the meat started. Stop and you can do this
pretty straightforward.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
It is a power trip.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
But he said, you know, stop them at the entrance.
Well I turned that into standing and putting my arm
out and stopping the lane of traffic coming down the
road so a car would be stopped trying to turn
in as the kids are passing by, but behind him
ten more cars waiting. And next time, because I didn't

(14:05):
know that was gonna be my job, I thought it
was gonna be more like embedded. Next time, I'm not
wearing all black.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh you didn't have a neon vest on?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
No, that's whoa.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
It also wasn't ten pm. It's the middle of the
dark and rainy.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I was. I was wearing a black jacket and black pants, right,
so it was, And you're right it was raining during
the meat. So next time I have to wear neon. Yeah,
I ask you a question, Yes, did you buy referee pants?
I wore Mike's joggers.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Kristen gave me. I'm going to be a marshall, I
have to wear referee pants.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
I only became a marshall last second. Remember I didn't
have time to prep for this.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
That's right, that's right. Thank god you knew how to
put your arm out, Lindsay didn't.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
But you're standing there and you're like.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Look at all these idiots. The girl stepped up waiting
for me.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
They can't go until I move my hand, and I
would wait, you know, and make sure this kid doesn't trip,
and we don't count on like momentum and where they'll
be when this car pulls in. No, no, no, no, they
got to get back in the grass. So I get
the importance of wanting to run a clean event.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
So now you're gonna marshal the stone skipping.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, I'm first, I'm gonna marshal the second of two.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Home across country events.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I'll do that. But I but that's it sounds like
they need more eyes on the ground. Absolutely absolutely, Stone.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Am I going to line one? Hi, Ellie in the morning. Hey,
who's this?

Speaker 4 (15:47):
This is this Frank, But I got a funny store
for you.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
When me and my wife first started dating, she and
her dad had this burd dog.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
He was an English Springer Spaniel, beautiful dog.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
And I was trying to press my wife.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
She had a pond on her dad's farm and I
went down to get the rock, and this dog proceeds
to jump into the water.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
And I guess you didn't get the.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Memo that you know, rock sink, birds float.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
But he dives in.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
And I'm sitting there and the dog dives practically into
the water, goes about about five feet.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
I'm sitting there for like a minute, going, OK, he's
gonna come back up.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
He's gonna come back up. My wife starts crying, going, spot,
please come up, please come up.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I have to dive into the water and grab this
dog and bring it up.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
And the damn dog had the rock in his mouth.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Oh no, oh my.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
God, Oh my god, dude, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
That's gotta be terrifying.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
So he's so he should have been in Scotland picking
up rocks for everybody after they threw it.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, back, he'll get it two hundred and six feet
up against the wall and he'd be good to go.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
All right, dude, I appreciate it, sir, Thank you. That's horrible.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I'm surprised that Kristen didn't do rock skipping as like
a regular activity.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, well, I can't hear you, Kristen, can you turn
We didn't have rocks ponds.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, I think she was just calling you names. I'm sorry.
Say again.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
We did it all the time.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
It was just so Yeah, you're so casual about it.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
I thought it's what everybody did.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, hey, sons out, we're skimming.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yeah, let's go there you go. My brother and I
used to like compete against each other.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Oh, I thought you meant like in the town, like
we were on the Mapleton team.

Speaker 7 (17:35):
No, we didn't have that, but no, like but I
mean my friend's family had a lake, so we were
always there, either in the water or skipping rocks. Right,
went out to Montana with my like extended family. We're
all out there. That's where like it's just what you do.
You see rocks, you pick them up.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
If there's water in a rock, rocks going in water,
I'll give you that.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
Yeah, no hesitation, but I do like the.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Sound of a rock going into the water where it's
got that like that real deep er plunk.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
But the skipping too, like every time it's like as.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
It would as it would make its way across. All right,
very good? Wait hold now what thank you Kristen? Now
what am I looking at?

Speaker 3 (18:19):
That's Hugh out skipping rocks as as an adult where
I don't know, but he's claiming that Aeron and Barlow
was there too.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Listen to my rock wait.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Go and I thank you to all those who have offered.
But I don't need to borrow a safety patrol belt.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
How about that shirt?

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I heeart RoadHead, so that that's gonna get dumbed.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Why you're the RoadHead.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I didn't mean to say it's and it came out wrong,
so it doesn't get dumbed. But you definitely can't say.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
That you're a patrol.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
I was at the head of the road.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Again. I was.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Who who who?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
No, you didn't find the uniform.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
That's you.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Just took the baby on board sticker, put it on
a t and wrote my position. I maybe at a
different entry point next week. Oh, if coach is listening,
you won't be I'll tell you this. I won't be
a nexcell lindsay.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Hi, yell in the morning, Hey.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
Ellye, how's it going? I was just calling, uh we
You know, when I was a teenager, we were in
I was in a probation home and we would actually
go out with counselors and skip rocks and you guys
were talking. I thought it was completely awf and just
thought I'd tell.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
You wait a minute. So first of all, why were
you in the probation home.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
Oh? I was a crazy teen man. Just wrong crowd, wrong,
wrong group of people, and you know that's this is
what I was lucky enough that they did send me,
you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
No, no kidding, you could have gotten could have ended
up much worse.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Yeah, absolutely, but it was awesome. And we would go
out and skip skip rocks and it was just I mean,
it was stress relieving. I mean, obviously, you know you
wouldn't take the real crazies out there skipping rocks. That
wouldn't be a good idea, but you know it was.
It was really cool, man. We had a really good
time doing that, and I appreciate the conversation absolutely.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I'm glad I'm doing it for all rock skippers and
probation kids. Probably have more kids, all right, did and
for a huge Invanian Aaron M. Barlow, all right, very good,
thank you, sir. Skip yep, sure booo.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Three skips rare line for Hi Elliott in the morning.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Hey Ellie, I got two things for you, yes, sir.
One of them is you should listen to rock skipping
on ice, and the other one is I could see
Kristen and her brother entering a rock skipping contest like
the Simpsons did in Cheating with a fishing line tied
to the rock.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
All right, very good, thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
I tell Christin and her brother hands out.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
What would Lindsay do? What would Lindsay do?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Tell me I'm yelling at her and everyone can hear it. Luckily,
bus country is not a super well attended now activity.
What's during the day. People have to work. That's why
I had to last second become as I've been corrected,
apparently because I was not standing on the course. I

(21:39):
was actually a street monitor, not which they called for
course martials. But I technically figure did not do that.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
By the way, Lindsay, course Marshall, you pylon
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