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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I feel like bad crap always happens around your birthday,
seems man, God, damn, yesterday it was horrible. Yesterday was horrible.
What a disgusting, horrible, horrible day. Between the Charlie Kirk
assassination and then you had the you had the school
shooting in Denver.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, it was horrible yesterday, just horrible.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Now the school shooting I feel like, for reasons related
to Kirk's death isn't even on most news stations radars I.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Know, and that's horrible. It's sad. It's sad.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
But going to Charlie Kirk, it doesn't matter if you
agreed with him, didn't agree with him, didn't know.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Who he was.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It is a tragedy because it is who we are
as a society now and that should frighten and be
horrific to anyone who believes in this country.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Horrible. It's horrible.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And so with political violence, all it leads to is
more and it's an acknowledgement of ideological defeat. So for
something that is championed in the First Amendment, which is
the freedom of speech, something that Charlie Kirk clearly was
(01:32):
someone who celebrated and openly challenged those to debate him on.
For this to be the way it ends, it stops nothing.
It will lead to at best, overreach by the government
(01:55):
and at worst, like I said, more of the same.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Look, a candidate was shot at during the last election cycle. Oh,
you can go through the Minnesota lawmakers with the fatal shootings.
It will not end sadly, and that's why it should
be viewed as something that scares everybody. I was sickened,
(02:24):
and it was certainly something that I guess I shouldn't
be surprised by, but I was disgusted by those that
found some sort of whether it be a quick mention
on social media or in evesdropped conversations yesterday when I
(02:44):
was out any sort of happiness in this. This should
sadden everybody, no matter which side you're on, and it
should terrify you because this is not going to stop
unless you can mitigate the polarization of this country. It
(03:06):
is not going to stop. And as we saw last
night from the remarks and the Oval office, it is
inflaming and inflammatory what's already being said. So I am
just scared to death for what comes next.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
The Yeah, you mentioned Minnesota, you had.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
The fire at the Pennsylvania Governors.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Governor of Governor of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You go to Nancy Pelosi's husband and it is it's
both sides, and.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Listen there to Gabby Gifford's.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Gabby Gifford's the January sixth, January sixth, the But yeah,
it's all it's all horrible. It is all horrible. But
where is the you know, like it's all frustrating, it's
all very sickening, it's all very sad.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I hate it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Everybody should hate it, is I. But I every time
it happens. And you know, we mentioned the school shooting,
and I always.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Think of Sandy Hook, Sandy Hook and go.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But I always and like the frustrating part is well,
I mean there's so many parts of it are frustrating,
is I always?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I always wake up peeling the same way, Like you
get lost.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I don't want to say lost, but you get you
get tied up in the in the in the cycle
of it yesterday, and and then you want to know
is there you know, the shooters still on the on
the loose. They they brought two people in as as
persons of interest. They have both been released, So there
is still a gunman on the loose, you know, you
(04:37):
go back to you know, Denver, and we could sit
here probably.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
For weeks and name off every school shooting.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But I always go to I always go to Sandy Hook,
and I always go to Steve Scalise. There was another
one who was the shot playing in del Rey, Like
when is when is the at what point? Is it
the tipping point? Like that's the part that just frustrates
the hell out of me. Is at what point? At
what point is it? Like?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Go?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I think is Scalise?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And everybody came out after Scalise was shot in Delray
and it was everybody's got it tone down politically, everybody's
got to tone down the hatred. Everybody's got to tone
down the volatility. Everybody's got to find a way to
pull people, try their best to pull people together.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Let's always say the bar is low.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Just be a decent human being, Just be decent. The
So everybody after Scalice got shot was like it's gotten
out of hand. It's got to tone it down. I
can't even remember how bad it was during Scalise because
it's gotten so much worse. And I always think of
Sandy Hook and go, you know, little kindergartener kids, you know,
a little kindergartener, first second grade kids, and they all
(05:50):
got blown away.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And still nothing has changed. And I understand that there
are people who go.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Like, yeah, but don't take this, and don't take that,
and don't take this, and don't push me into this corner.
Just be a decent human being. Like it's not asking
for much. So, like going back to yesterday, where's the gunman?
What's going on? I feel horrible for obviously, you feel
horrible for Charlie Cook's, Kirk's family, you feel horrible for
his friends.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I feel horrible for everybody.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That sat at the at the at the event and
watch somebody essentially get their head blown off in the
in the middle of an event, just going out for like.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You said, free speech. That's all just free speech.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You don't have to agree with him, you don't have
to like him, you could even hate him.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Just be a decent human being.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And so I wake up today and I hate coming
in on days like this because I do just sit
there and go, what where is the tipping point? Like,
at what point does it get to be enough? And
you go, okay, now, maybe we do take a step
in the right direction. It's not going to go to perfect.
I get that, I'm not dumb, but at what point
(06:58):
does it at least take a step in the better
direction and not feel like it keeps taking a step
in the worst direction. Because I do agree with you,
it's not going to end. I don't feel like it's
going to end. I'm hopeful that it ends, but it's
got to start by just taking one step towards a
decent direction. And I just don't know that. I feel
(07:19):
like what happens to take a step in the right direction.
I have no idea because I don't wake up today
thinking like, you know what, yesterday was the one you
had a school shooting and had you had a political assassination.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's it, We're done.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Tomorrow, we'll wake up it'll be September eleventh, a day
that we should be remembering what happened and feel like,
you know what, We're going to take a step in
the right direction, just a small step towards decency. And
I just don't I have no faith that that'll be today.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
No, because, like I said, the remarks made last night
from the West Wing or a step in the wrong
direction mhm, blaming what happened on radical left politics to
Charlie Kirk is not going to help anything.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It leads to.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
More polarization, and what we need is someone who will
mitigate or people who will mitigate that. So sadly, it
wasn't going to end with the death, and it certainly
didn't move anyone closer to thinking it would when we
went to bed last night.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
No, I don't even think, because everybody goes back to
nine to eleven, two thousand and one, right, and how
everybody sort of came together and there were flags everywhere
and everybody was rallying around Ground zero in the first
responders and everything.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I was like, I thought about it today.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I was like, I don't even think that something as
horrific as that happening again would change anything.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I really don't. It wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, sadly, you're
probably right.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I mean, you know, my head immediately goes to, well, god,
I hope that's not what it is, so we find out. Obviously,
I know that's not what you're saying, but no, you're
probably right. Sadly that makes me sad, but you're probably right,
that's something like that probably doesn't even do enough.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
But I'll go back to how I started. It is,
without debate, a tragedy.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Oh, it's horrible.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's a horrible, tragic moment for this country. Yeah, it
is a chapter in a book that's filled with much
too many examples.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But you got to remain hopeful. You have to remain
hopeful that there does come a tipping point.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I do. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
You know who I always think of when when something
like this happens. I think of and not the boxer,
but I think of Muhammad Ali, who was our tour
guide in South Africa, and he always talked about the
obviously that was coming out of apartheid, and they all
(10:15):
Muhammad Ali just kept talking about and you had groups
of people there and you still do unfortunately, but you
had groups of people that hated each other, race, religious beliefs, sexuality,
all the same crap that should sound familiar. But Muhammad
Ali talked about how they would look at their kids
(10:39):
as the greatest natural resource that they have and if
they can raise their kids as adults. As parents, they
may continue to hate people, they may continue to think
or look down upon with just severe hatred, if they
(11:00):
could at least raise their kids to be decent good
accepting people no matter the difference is, differences are going
to exist.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
They know that.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Maybe that's a step in the right direction. Listen, my
youngest one gets torn apart by stuff like this. Yeah,
So I was on the phone with him yesterday talking
to him about it, and you know, and I listen,
I hope I do a good job of raising him,
in my older one, to again, just be decent. Just
(11:34):
be a decent human being. I'd love for you to
be a good human being. I'd love for you to
be a great human being, but just let's start with
being decent to each other. So I spent the day
or a part of the day on the phone yesterday
with my younger one, because it does it rips him apart,
it doesn't. He just he doesn't understand how people can
(11:54):
be so angry.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
That they'd go to that extent.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It just it doesn't compute to him, and he doesn't
know how to filter that out. It just does not
process to him. And so he's like, you know, I'm
at school, there's people you know, saying this stuff, in
this stuff and this stuff, and I I just try
to tell him, Powell, just be you be cool to people.
Be decent to people. You don't have to agree with them,
(12:19):
you don't have to love them, but don't attack them,
don't go after them because they disagree with who you are,
what you believe in.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Right, it's that step to violence because, as we said
when we were talking about the First Amendment, it protects
people and they may say indecent things, but the respect
for human life and not resorting to violence of any kind.
(12:50):
There's the off quoted saying that it is the last
refuge of the incompetent. That's where I feel like the
decency has to shine through when you're faced with a
decision and a choice like that, because people are not
(13:12):
always with their views going to be decent people who
accept others. But you have to accept that the price
of losing human life is not worth it when it
comes to violence.
I feel like bad crap always happens around your birthday,
seems man, God, damn, yesterday it was horrible. Yesterday was horrible.
What a disgusting, horrible, horrible day. Between the Charlie Kirk
assassination and then you had the you had the school
shooting in Denver.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, it was horrible yesterday, just horrible.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Now the school shooting I feel like, for reasons related
to Kirk's death isn't even on most news stations radars I.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Know, and that's horrible. It's sad. It's sad.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
But going to Charlie Kirk, it doesn't matter if you
agreed with him, didn't agree with him, didn't know.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Who he was.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It is a tragedy because it is who we are
as a society now and that should frighten and be
horrific to anyone who believes in this country.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Horrible. It's horrible.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And so with political violence, all it leads to is
more and it's an acknowledgement of ideological defeat. So for
something that is championed in the First Amendment, which is
the freedom of speech, something that Charlie Kirk clearly was
(01:32):
someone who celebrated and openly challenged those to debate him on.
For this to be the way it ends, it stops nothing.
It will lead to at best, overreach by the government
(01:55):
and at worst, like I said, more of the same.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Look, a candidate was shot at during the last election cycle. Oh,
you can go through the Minnesota lawmakers with the fatal shootings.
It will not end sadly, and that's why it should
be viewed as something that scares everybody. I was sickened,
(02:24):
and it was certainly something that I guess I shouldn't
be surprised by, but I was disgusted by those that
found some sort of whether it be a quick mention
on social media or in evesdropped conversations yesterday when I
(02:44):
was out any sort of happiness in this. This should
sadden everybody, no matter which side you're on, and it
should terrify you because this is not going to stop
unless you can mitigate the polarization of this country. It
(03:06):
is not going to stop. And as we saw last
night from the remarks and the Oval office, it is
inflaming and inflammatory what's already being said. So I am
just scared to death for what comes next.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
The Yeah, you mentioned Minnesota, you had.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
The fire at the Pennsylvania Governors.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Governor of Governor of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You go to Nancy Pelosi's husband and it is it's
both sides, and.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Listen there to Gabby Gifford's.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Gabby Gifford's the January sixth, January sixth, the But yeah,
it's all it's all horrible. It is all horrible. But
where is the you know, like it's all frustrating, it's
all very sickening, it's all very sad.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I hate it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Everybody should hate it, is I. But I every time
it happens. And you know, we mentioned the school shooting,
and I always.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Think of Sandy Hook, Sandy Hook and go.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But I always and like the frustrating part is well,
I mean there's so many parts of it are frustrating,
is I always?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I always wake up peeling the same way, Like you
get lost.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I don't want to say lost, but you get you
get tied up in the in the in the cycle
of it yesterday, and and then you want to know
is there you know, the shooters still on the on
the loose. They they brought two people in as as
persons of interest. They have both been released, So there
is still a gunman on the loose, you know, you
(04:37):
go back to you know, Denver, and we could sit
here probably.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
For weeks and name off every school shooting.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
But I always go to I always go to Sandy Hook,
and I always go to Steve Scalise. There was another
one who was the shot playing in del Rey, Like
when is when is the at what point? Is it
the tipping point? Like that's the part that just frustrates
the hell out of me. Is at what point? At
what point is it? Like?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Go?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I think is Scalise?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And everybody came out after Scalise was shot in Delray
and it was everybody's got it tone down politically, everybody's
got to tone down the hatred. Everybody's got to tone
down the volatility. Everybody's got to find a way to
pull people, try their best to pull people together.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Let's always say the bar is low.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Just be a decent human being, Just be decent. The
So everybody after Scalice got shot was like it's gotten
out of hand. It's got to tone it down. I
can't even remember how bad it was during Scalise because
it's gotten so much worse. And I always think of
Sandy Hook and go, you know, little kindergartener kids, you know,
a little kindergartener, first second grade kids, and they all
(05:50):
got blown away.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And still nothing has changed. And I understand that there
are people who go.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Like, yeah, but don't take this, and don't take that,
and don't take this, and don't push me into this corner.
Just be a decent human being. Like it's not asking
for much. So, like going back to yesterday, where's the gunman?
What's going on? I feel horrible for obviously, you feel
horrible for Charlie Cook's, Kirk's family, you feel horrible for
his friends.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I feel horrible for everybody.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That sat at the at the at the event and
watch somebody essentially get their head blown off in the
in the middle of an event, just going out for like.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You said, free speech. That's all just free speech.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You don't have to agree with him, you don't have
to like him, you could even hate him.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Just be a decent human being.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And so I wake up today and I hate coming
in on days like this because I do just sit
there and go, what where is the tipping point? Like,
at what point does it get to be enough? And
you go, okay, now, maybe we do take a step
in the right direction. It's not going to go to perfect.
I get that, I'm not dumb, but at what point
(06:58):
does it at least take a step in the better
direction and not feel like it keeps taking a step
in the worst direction. Because I do agree with you,
it's not going to end. I don't feel like it's
going to end. I'm hopeful that it ends, but it's
got to start by just taking one step towards a
decent direction. And I just don't know that. I feel
(07:19):
like what happens to take a step in the right direction.
I have no idea because I don't wake up today
thinking like, you know what, yesterday was the one you
had a school shooting and had you had a political assassination.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's it, We're done.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Tomorrow, we'll wake up it'll be September eleventh, a day
that we should be remembering what happened and feel like,
you know what, We're going to take a step in
the right direction, just a small step towards decency. And
I just don't I have no faith that that'll be today.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
No, because, like I said, the remarks made last night
from the West Wing or a step in the wrong
direction mhm, blaming what happened on radical left politics to
Charlie Kirk is not going to help anything.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It leads to.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
More polarization, and what we need is someone who will
mitigate or people who will mitigate that. So sadly, it
wasn't going to end with the death, and it certainly
didn't move anyone closer to thinking it would when we
went to bed last night.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
No, I don't even think, because everybody goes back to
nine to eleven, two thousand and one, right, and how
everybody sort of came together and there were flags everywhere
and everybody was rallying around Ground zero in the first
responders and everything.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I was like, I thought about it today.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I was like, I don't even think that something as
horrific as that happening again would change anything.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I really don't. It wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, sadly, you're
probably right.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I mean, you know, my head immediately goes to, well, god,
I hope that's not what it is, so we find out. Obviously,
I know that's not what you're saying, but no, you're
probably right. Sadly that makes me sad, but you're probably right,
that's something like that probably doesn't even do enough.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
But I'll go back to how I started. It is,
without debate, a tragedy.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Oh, it's horrible.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's a horrible, tragic moment for this country. Yeah, it
is a chapter in a book that's filled with much
too many examples.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But you got to remain hopeful. You have to remain
hopeful that there does come a tipping point.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I do. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
You know who I always think of when when something
like this happens. I think of and not the boxer,
but I think of Muhammad Ali, who was our tour
guide in South Africa, and he always talked about the
obviously that was coming out of apartheid, and they all
(10:15):
Muhammad Ali just kept talking about and you had groups
of people there and you still do unfortunately, but you
had groups of people that hated each other, race, religious beliefs, sexuality,
all the same crap that should sound familiar. But Muhammad
Ali talked about how they would look at their kids
(10:39):
as the greatest natural resource that they have and if
they can raise their kids as adults. As parents, they
may continue to hate people, they may continue to think
or look down upon with just severe hatred, if they
(11:00):
could at least raise their kids to be decent good
accepting people no matter the difference is, differences are going
to exist.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
They know that.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Maybe that's a step in the right direction. Listen, my
youngest one gets torn apart by stuff like this. Yeah,
So I was on the phone with him yesterday talking
to him about it, and you know, and I listen,
I hope I do a good job of raising him,
in my older one, to again, just be decent. Just
(11:34):
be a decent human being. I'd love for you to
be a good human being. I'd love for you to
be a great human being, but just let's start with
being decent to each other. So I spent the day
or a part of the day on the phone yesterday
with my younger one, because it does it rips him apart,
it doesn't. He just he doesn't understand how people can
(11:54):
be so angry.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
That they'd go to that extent.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It just it doesn't compute to him, and he doesn't
know how to filter that out. It just does not
process to him. And so he's like, you know, I'm
at school, there's people you know, saying this stuff, in
this stuff and this stuff, and I I just try
to tell him, Powell, just be you be cool to people.
Be decent to people. You don't have to agree with them,
(12:19):
you don't have to love them, but don't attack them,
don't go after them because they disagree with who you are,
what you believe in.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Right, it's that step to violence because, as we said
when we were talking about the First Amendment, it protects
people and they may say indecent things, but the respect
for human life and not resorting to violence of any kind.
(12:50):
There's the off quoted saying that it is the last
refuge of the incompetent. That's where I feel like the
decency has to shine through when you're faced with a
decision and a choice like that, because people are not
(13:12):
always with their views going to be decent people who
accept others. But you have to accept that the price
of losing human life is not worth it when it
comes to violence.
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