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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dane.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
When is the last time you hitch hike college? Were
you by yourself or were you with a group?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
I myself, that's okay, not proud of it.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Why Why are you not proud of it?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Because it was dumb? Why I was? I was drunk
trying to get back to campus?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Right? So was it dumb because you were drunk? Or
was it dumb because you hitch hike? All of the above,
I would I'd only half agree with that. I would
only half agree with that. I think it's dumb because
you were drunk, but it's not it's not dangerous.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
How far were you from campus?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Great question?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Probably like five minutes if that by car?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
No, that's by car, right, so that's about a half
hour walk, maybe maybe thirty five.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
To forty minute walk.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, and you're hammered and you don't want to be
staggering around, right, I don't I don't like that you
were drunk.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
And hitch hiking, but I don't mind that you that
you hitch hiked home.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I was thinking back, I'm going to guess the answer
is you have never hitch hiked.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
You know what, you know what would be good? Christian?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Can you pop yourself on first second, because Kristen was
grew up in the middle of nowhere land like b effie,
Oh hi Kristen, how are you good in you?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm wonderful, thank you. Did you ever hitch hike? I
don't think so.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
And if I did, it was by somebody you knew.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's called getting a ride, you know, when.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
You first started driving and you get a flat tire
and don't have your phone or anybody, and somebody drives
by and you know them.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Right, So that's like that's like if I say, hey,
Kurt when we for old Man Hockey, will you come
pick me up? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Okay, okay, So that didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Right, Okay, But if I were broken down on the
side of the road and coast guard Kurt pulled by,
I'm not hitch hiking. That's just somebody you know. Luckily
you know who pulls over and helps you.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
But that's what I'm saying. Everybody knows everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So so there was no hitch hiking. I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You'd stull like I remember some truckers one time, right,
but I didn't stop to ask them if they needed help.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Right, No, No, But you don't have to just be fine.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I was gonna say, you don't have to just be
giving somebody a right who needs help. It could just
be somebody who is standing on the side of the
road with their thumb up, trying to hitch a ride
to get to wherever, whatever their destination is. It could
be to college, it could be the next town. It
could be I'm hitchhiking across the country, and they may
go like you may pull over and go, I'm not
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driving all the way to California, but I'm going as
far as Texas, And you might drive them to Texas
and then they would get out and then try to
thumb a ride and go somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
No, I'm too scared to do that. Why because there's
murderers out there. You hear the stories.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
What's the out of curiosity?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
What was the last hitchhiker murder story that you're referencing movies? Okay,
in real life, what was the last hike her murder story?
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I don't know. But people go missing all the time,
all the time. I like truck stops.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
All right, very very good, Thank you, Kristen. Now that
I think back, like we used to hitchhike a lot,
hold on.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I just she did get a ride once. I'm just
keeping tracking. Dian was once for hitch hiking and Kristen
was once for getting a ride.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'm gonna I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Gonna put myself down for even though I've claimed that
I hitchhiked, that I have gone hitchhiking in the past,
I'm actually going to remove myself from that list.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I thought you were our go to source.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
We used to hitchhike a lot, but we always hitch hike,
hitch hitchhiked in groups.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
That doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I don't think so, I don't I don't know where
to rule on that. Like we would we would hitchhike
to school because we would miss the bus and we
would stand on the side of a busy road.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Like four of us, three or four of us thumbs
up yeah, and somebody would stop and we do.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I mean, we'd get in the back of a pickup
truck and ride to the back. And then there was
one time that we we hitchhiked for probably forty miles.
But there was again it was a group of like
four or five of us and we were about forty
miles away from Houston, and we hitchhiked our way back.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
But that was does that count?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
You don't have to be by yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think of like, when I think of traditional hitch hiking,
I think of like one or two people.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I think I have another one too that I remember.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Wait or de Scott drive by to give you a ride? Now,
where did you hitchhike.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That time when I was in Costa Rica by myself?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
That's what I thought you were gonna say.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
And that was more recent than college. That was like
like a five years ago or so, right, more than
a little more than that. That was by far one
of the dumbest things I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Tell me why it's dumb because.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It was very dangerous, okay, and the passenger in that car.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It was dangerous because of how the person drove.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
No, no, but the passenger in the because I basically
gave them cash and a bottle of vodka.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That's okay, and you pay him.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And the guy who is.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
The passenger was drinking the vodka and getting more and
more belligerent.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Were you scared?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yes, you were, Yes, I thought I was going to die.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You could ask them to pull over and let you out.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I would have been in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So I was reading about the history of hitchhiking, and
it's actually starting to see a bit of a resurgence.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It is, Yeah, it actually is.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Even with all the fascination with true crime, and like
Kristen said, you can't you can't cite a specific case,
but all you've heard all over your over the course
of your lifetime is how dangerous it is and how
people go missing.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And you know who made it dangerous? I know the
answer to that.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
What are you saying, that's all a myth?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
There was a there serial killer who made it dangerous.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, there was actually a campaign launched to make it dangerous,
kind of like dare No, was this something taught in schools?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
No, I don't know. I mean it predates my hitchhiking.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I don't know the FBI.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
What they call it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
They started a campaign. Here you go, you ready for this?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Hitch Hiking routes stretch all the way back to the
early twentieth century. By the nineteen thirties, hitch hiking wasn't
just mainstream, but was necessary as high employment during the
Great Depression forced many Americans to hitch rides and travel
long distances in search of scarcely available jobs. When World
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War Two began, hitchhiking became a patriotic duty to conserve
resources for the war. Ever, war effort posters were up
all over the place. If you ride alone, you ride
with Hitler. Oh my Tom, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
No, it was encouraged ride hitchhike.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
By the nineteen fifties, though, fear took hold. The FBI
branded hitchhiking a menace, a with FBI director j Edgar
Hoover framing it as a safety and national security risk
as he believed that undercover agents could use it to
slip through the country undetected.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
That's quite the lesson that you've just given us. I'm
looking at the posters for the when you ride alone,
you ride with Hitler. They featured a drawing of a driver,
and next to that driver in the empty seat is
a silhouette of a ghost like Adolf Hitler.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, because you weren't conserving for the war effort.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Geez.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So if you didn't, if you didn't have a hitchhiker,
you were for Hitler. But yes, j Edgar Hoover framed
hitchhiking as a national security risk.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Did that come from or stem from a high profile story, though.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No Hoover instilled a campaign of fear in the US
consciousness that largely still remains a few decades later, coverage
of high profile crimes from US serial killer Edmund Kemper
an Australian backpack killer Ivan Malot, both of whom selected
victims by offering rides to hitchhikers, cemented the dangerous reputation.
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So when people go, oh, what about all the serial killers,
which is why I was asking Kristen, I was not
expecting her.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
To go, you know Edmund Kemper or Ivan Malot?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
What's kepper story? I don't know the co ed killer.
Ten victims are attached to him.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And yes it's bad.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I mean, I'm not going to argue, like, boy, Kemper
got a bad rap, but that's two high profile cases
and that's it.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
In his youth, Kemper performed writes with his younger sisters
dolls that culminated in his removing their heads and hands.
On one occasion, when his elder sister teased him and
asked why he did not try to kiss his teacher,
he replied, if I kiss her, I'd have to kill
her first.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
They talk to these two people separately of each other
who have documented their four thousand car rides through hitchhiking.
And they even said, and one of them's a woman,
and they even said to her, aren't you afraid? And
she's like, I got a pretty good gut read on people.
For the most part, people want to help you. Yeah, right,
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most people. There are more helpers than there are serial killers.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, but you're still taking your chances.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I say all of that, but if my kid was like, Hey,
I got to get back down to Knoxville this week,
I'm just gonna throw my crap at a big sack
and I'm going to stand on the Beltway with my
thumb up, I'd be like, over.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
My dead body.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But that's because I think that we're all brain trained
to think that way.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
You're thinking of Ed Kemper exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
One of his favorite games to play as a child
was a electric chair, in which he would be asked tyler,
he would be asked to or he would ask to
be tied up and have someone flip an imaginary switch.
He would then tumble over and writhe on the floor. Okay,
but wouldn't you know that game? Wouldn't you know if
that guy picked you up like I'm in trouble. But
that's not everybody. But you're also jumping to the extreme,
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which would be death serial killers. Like it's some rob
you or beat you up, or or just creepy people
who make you feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, not doing anything illegal, but you could find creepy
people anywhere I knows.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Willing to pick up it, I know.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
But what I'm saying is it doesn't mean that they're
not getting you from A to B safely and healthy.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
But mental health is at play there. If you're uncomfortable
during the ride.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And then you get out and now you're comfortable, it's temporary,
be traumatized the again, or you know what, it could
be awesome. No, I'm being serious. These people have taken
four thousand car rides. You think they're traumatized.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
No, I'm sure they've had some bad experiences.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Listen, We've all been in situations where where like, you
get a weird not in your stomach, but a lot
of times that's your own internal fear talking to you.
You ever take the dogs out for a walk at
like one o'clock in the morning and you hear something
You're like, uh, and you're.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Like yeah, exactly, that's your own internal fear.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You're fine, right, and then you can run back in
the house where you're safe, right.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Or I could jump out of the car, but I
don't have to jump out of the car. The only
by the way, the only time you ever see a
sign that says don't pick up hitchhikers is where.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
On the highway or like an entrance or exit ramper.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
No, No, you get a hitchhike where is? You can
go stand on ninety five.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I could go get on ninety five in Woodbridge and
hitchhike to Richmond right now, and nobody can say anything
about it.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
That's not illegal. No, if a trooper, you don't think
you're getting in trouble. If a trooper spots you, If.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
A trooper spots me, he has one of two choices.
He could drive by.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
He's gonna pull over anyway and be like, what are
you doing here? Did you break down?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, well, number one officer, you don't see a car.
Number two, No, I didn't break down. I'm trying to
get to Richmond, And he would either he has one
of two choices. Sorry, son, I'm not going that far.
I could take you as far as I don't know wherever,
or he could just drive on by. But you're not
getting arrested for hitchhiking. On ninety five, I was gonna say,
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the only time I remember seeing then is by prisons.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Because you're going to get it in.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Make not do not pick up hitchhikers in case it
is a jail break.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
They don't want that to be a getaway car.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I feel like i've seen that also.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I've definitely seen that. Remember that was my fight with
Dexter Manley. Was it Dexter Manley.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
What you had a couple issues with him when he
he told me he was never in jail them right,
And I was like, dude, I've been by that jail.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
There's a big sign outside that says do not pick
up hitchhikers. I wasn't in jail, Dexter, you were in
I'm reading you the story. But yes, Dexter Manley was
in jail. But I always remember that we'd ride our
bikes by there and you would see the sign that
said do not pick up hitchhikers. But to go back
to Diane's thing, yes I could go get I could go.
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I could go to Columbia, Maryland and get on ninety five.
I can hitchhike from Merriweather you alions, and nobody can
say anything about it.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So because some people are pointing out that in certain
states it is illegal, not just near prisons, it is
illegal in the entirety of the state Maryland and Virginia, Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
When there are only six states where it is illegal,
illegal because they still live in a world of scarem
New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah. And I
don't know why it's illegal there.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Now?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Did it used to be illegal in these parts and
those laws have just come off the books?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I doubt it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I doubt it. I know it was in the illegal
when I was riding with Hitler.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
That campaign, and I understand the backdrop of that is
the war.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
When you hear it now and you're not in the
midst of that, it is a striking message.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
How'd you get to work today? I drove by yourself?
You ride with Hitler?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah? Now that is aggressive? Where am I going? Line four?
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Elliott the morning?
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Hey the sea? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (15:12):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Who's this?
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (15:14):
This is naughty? This is your Australian Nursing friend, I
got a doozy for you. Okay, so not ivan a lot,
but in Canada look up Robert Picton.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
It was two thousand and five. It was after my
freshman year of college. I had platinum blond dreads. My
friend had graduated.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
She and I drove out to Oregon and then from
there I hitchhiked. It was Eugene, Oregon. I hitchhiked to
Portland and then Seattle and then into Vancouver, Canada completely alone.
Got to Vancouver and I did the entire US Canada
border by myself when I was nineteen years old.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Do not know how I survived.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
Uh, and got picked up.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
He told me his name was Eddie. It wasn't a
pickup truck.
Speaker 9 (16:05):
And I should have known the signs because he was
wearing overalls.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
And uh not uncommon. And so they just like, do
you your parents know where you are?
Speaker 9 (16:18):
They'd be here to Dath's blah blah blah, and it's
that's a very common question that they ask you. And
I said, no, Uh, they they don't. And then he
kind of paused and said, uh, does anyone.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Know where you are? And I said, yeah, I got
friends that I call into.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
I mean, I didn't have a cell phone on me nothing.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Okay, yeah, I mean this is two thousand and five.
Uh well, I mean we had cell phones.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
But anyways, and then uh then he was like ten
miles down the road and said is that your natural
hair color? And I was like, I have to go
to the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So so wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So was this this guy who was doing this is
Robert Pickton?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
What is his story?
Speaker 7 (17:11):
So he?
Speaker 9 (17:11):
I mean, uh so, Robert Pickton is one of Canada's
most infinous serial killers. He owned a hog farm or
let me finish the story. So I said I had
to go to the bathroom. He pulled over to gas station,
waited around for half an hour, and then took off.
And then I got back into the highway, got into
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Calgary and his front his his face is on the
cover of every newspaper and I'm.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Like, Eddie, I was like, Eddie, what the hecker you owned?
F Yeah, he owned a he owned a hog farm.
I think it was in Saskatchewan.
Speaker 9 (17:53):
And he would drive down to the trans Kenaga Highways
known as the one that runs the entire border.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
Pick up hitchhighers and prostitutes.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Also, uh, is this the guy where they where they
eventually dug up his his farm, and it was like
a staggering amount of bodies yep.
Speaker 9 (18:14):
Yeah, because he would see him to hogs, yes, and
through solid bones.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And it was a ton.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You're right, it was a ton of prostitutes and hitch hikers. Okay,
so now we're going, we're gonna put how about that
you were in the car with him? Did you ever
tell the police?
Speaker 9 (18:32):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (18:32):
What what to say?
Speaker 8 (18:33):
What?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (18:34):
You know that guy that you already caught, Yeah, didn't
catch me?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Can I ask you this other than your ride with
Canada's most notorious serial killer? But like the rest of
the time was was it? Was it a fun experience?
Like did you meet some cool peopeople?
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Lovely? Yes? Oh my goodness, the most I have.
Speaker 9 (18:56):
Been high, higher, uh than anytime in my entire life
when I was hitchhiking, because there well one I was
hitchhiking through Oregon and Seattle. First guy I got a
ride with with an old VW Van. His name was
Blue Jay, and he was like, I hope you don't
mind him on my way home.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
From work and I always smoke with Jay if you want.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
Some, And I'm like, not a problem. Man and then
going through Canada. Sometimes it took me like five rides
to get from Vancouver into I think the next.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Time was medicine hat.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Sure, I mean it was a long time ago.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
I mean yeah.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
And so it's like there were bubblers, there were joints,
there were blunts, et cetera.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
So I'm by the side of the road on my
fourth ride being like, well.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I don't want to be rude. Now, hey, thank you, ma'am,
thank you. Oh my god. Okay, that hurts. That hurts.
The argument that it's cool.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
How do you go to any other story that, No,
he's got six confirmed he was killed by another inmate
in jail, Yes, but six confirmed. But they're saying investigators
secrets full fifty they think he killed fifty women.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh I thought it was more than that.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I can say all of those people who just disappeared
and they're cold cases.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
But let me ask you this, will you would you
ever stop and pick up a hitchhiker?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Some people pointed that out, that we were leaving out
the other part of the formula.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Right, No, Well that's the part I was going to
get to. And why won't you pick them up?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Because they're crazy and they're gonna kill me.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So now every hitch hiker and every hitchhiker, hitchhiker picker
upper is everybody's a murderer.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Better saysan Sorry.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
The okay, then you should never leave your house.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I'm fine with that. From mud Turtle. I pick up
hitchhikers all the time. There are chances of two serial
killers being in the same car at one time or astronomical.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
That's actually and if you could script it, that's what
you want.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
But literally the next message after that one came through
was from Brittany, who said, my half sister's mother got
killed the hitchhiking.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
My god, can we note please? I feel horrible about that.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, I feel horrible about course.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I can't get over the way she told that story.
Is it because she's told it so many times. It
was like a smile.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Through her through the radio. You could sense, well, she's
no longer in fear. She had a great experience minus Eddie.
And at the end of the day at a party,
you own the story. I got picked up by Canada's
most notorious. That would be like saying John Wayne Gacy
picked me up while I was hitch hiking.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
My goodness, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But again, none of us want a hitchhike because we're afraid.
And then none of us want to pick up hitchhikers
because we're afraid.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
If you had to do one, which one won't you pick?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I'd rather hitchhike.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I think I would too.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I'd rather hitch hiking than pick up a hitchhiker.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yep, because Diane, you're picking up a hitchhiker.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Because you know hitchhikers are crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
No, And I don't know why you know what?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
You know?
Speaker 10 (22:12):
Why?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know why? I think that is is I think
I I I.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Romanticize the adventure of myself hitch hiking, versus feeling bad
that I'm only giving you a ride from A to
b okay, like I would feel like no, I would
just feel like they're afraid of me. They think I'm crazy.
I'm not really giving them a long ride, like you
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know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Like I don't. I don't know why. I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I just keep thinking of Large March.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
The large large that says, O, my sister got killed
by Well, I shouldn't say.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I saw two guys in Stirlington on Saturday at the
entrance to three five South try and hit ride with
a sign that just said Richmond.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Did he give a ride? No, Hey, I'm going as
far as Xel Road.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Bet nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, that's the other thing. You got to have a
cool sign.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Do you have to have a sign?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
No, But a lot of times they do, because there
are times where like I do remember, I clearly remember
my buddy and I want stopping to give a hitchhiker
a ride and the guy came running up to the
car because we had pulled over, and he was like.
We were like, hey, where are you going? And it
was far away and we're like, we're not going that
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far and he was like I don't care. And we
were like, oh damn. It took off and then you
feel horrible, like we spit.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Your gravel at this guy. It was horrible.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
That's worse.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, no, it is. That's a dick sight.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Like this guy probably like, oh thank god, I'm out
of the Texas heat and I don't care how far
I'm going. Can I just put my face in front
of the air van And we dusted this guy with gravel?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Fine too, But like if Marley.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Colton was like, hey, I want to come home and
see you and Dad, I'm going to hitchhike from Savannah.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
You'd lose your mind. And the truth is she'd be fine.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
No, she wouldn't. Yeah, she was, she wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
You want to talk about somebody who's like hyper suspicious
of people, she wouldn't do that, and.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Nobody that's good to be hyper suspicious.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But then you also know there are good people out
there that'll just give you a ride. I just wrapped
up an Astro beer hall and now I need to
make it to Richmond. No.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
But I always feel like you should have a sign.
You should always have a sign that says.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Where you're trying to get to see Neil Young.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
The no, I don't mean like going to the show,
but what city you're going to? So that way I
know I'm going. I'm not going to go that far.
I'm going again. I'm going to Edsel Road. But whatever,
and then closer than you were before, and I'll tell
you this, you know where else. A lot of people
get really weirded out about picking up a hitchhiker.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Have kids in the car? Yes, the okay, what can
I finish the sentence?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
So you open the side door and look in the back.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No, no. But if it was like me, Jackie and the.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Boys, and I'd be like when they were younger, I'd
be like, Hey, you know, listen, we're all going to Richmond.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Why don't you hop in and go with us? Oh
family trip? Yeah? Why not. I would never pick somebody
up with kids.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
That sounds horrible because then I think they're just going
to take my car for their family and then kill me.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Obviously, I'm sorry. Where am I going? Line too? Hi?
Elliet the morning, Hey, don't be scared.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He'll be here by the way. No, actually he'll billy.
I'm glad that you called that in rural In rural areas,
like we take it for granted. We've got we've got Metro,
we've got Uber, we got e bikes, we got scooters.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You get out into rural areas, you.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
May not have any of that, and you may need
to get from cow Pop to dun Dilly.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And there's no other way. There's no other way to go.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
You just gotta have phones. That's it.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Hey do you do you?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah? The answer the answer to both is yes. Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 8 (26:12):
So I couldn't believe you're talking about this because and
as much as I encourage my wife to listen to
the show. I don't want her listening right now because
I told her I'm not picking up any more hitchhikers.
Well what I did the other day, Well, well there
was there was the hiker, and I opened the door.
I said, just let you know, I got two pistols
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aimed at it right now.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
If you want to ride, you.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Can have it.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
And he said no, thanks to shut the door, and
I kept going.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
No good.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
He's like, this guy's crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
But you could see you could see where, you could
see where that would be.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Alarming to somebody, because the reason.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You don't hitchhike is the guy who picks you up.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Is going to kill you. Well, no, doe.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
The guy was probably just a friendly gentleman trying to
secure a ride somewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
But then you have no offense. I got two pistols
about Tyler.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
That's all you need to do.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
He was established, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
No sunscreen, all right, h'll billy, thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Could you imagine telling Lindsay that you were on your
way home and you picked up a hitchhiker on two seventy.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
That's a story I would never tell.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Oh, you would keep it a secret like hillbilly.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
It would be even harder to imagine telling her, I
promise I won't pick any more up.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Line eight, Hi elliot the morning. Yeah, Hi, who's this.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
Richmond?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Are you a big hitchhiker? No?
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Actually, we were always like scared not to pick up
pitchhikers because my mom's stepmom.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
Her oldest daughter, was murdered by the Casanova killer.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Who's this one?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Who's the Casanova killer?
Speaker 11 (28:05):
He's like a famous serial killer that killed a bunch
of pitch shikers, like ran away with her boyfriend in
Georgia and he picked them both up and he murdered
the boyfriend in the field, and then he took my
mom's stepsister into the woods and murdered her.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Confirmed eighteen victims to his Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But was it all hitchhikers?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
It was a multi state crime spree.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Jesus Christ, Can I can I ask this?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Obviously I don't. I don't like hearing that. I don't
like hearing that.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But do we have more listeners who have interacted with
serial killers than most shows?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Jesus Christ?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And you did and your you said it was your
your aunt, your mom's sister, it was.
Speaker 10 (28:45):
My mom's Yeah, it was my mom's like stepsister, but
they had never met. It was my mom my stepmom,
my stepgrandma's oldest daughter. So she just didn't really like
to talk about it.
Speaker 11 (28:56):
She just told us all not to ever hitchhike.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That'll stick with you.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I guess if I had a relative who'd gotten it
that way, I would probably feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Hey, you want a shirt? I don't know what to do.
All right, very good, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
So was he referred to as the Casanova color because
of his good looks.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well, I was gonna say, like, just looking at that
picture of him, he's got kind of like an old
Hollywood look smoking a cigarette, Like he looks like he
looks like not James Dean, but kind of that like rebel.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Without a cause. So he died in seventy four.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Sheriff Sheriff Earl Lee and agent Ronnie Angel from the
GBI were traveling down I twenty with Knowles, who was
handcuffed in the back seat. Their destination was Henry County,
the Juro the Duro. The Georgia Bureau of An Investigation
reported that Knowles grabbed a Lee's handgun, discharging it through
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the holster in the process, and while Lee was guggling
with Noles and attempting to keep control of the vehicle,
Agent Ronnie Angel fired three shots into his chest, killing
him Instille.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
While they were wrestling for the gun.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
And control of the car.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Wow, wow, damn, So what do we take from this?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Don't hear better?
Dane.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
When is the last time you hitch hike college? Were
you by yourself or were you with a group?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
I myself, that's okay, not proud of it.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Why Why are you not proud of it?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Because it was dumb? Why I was? I was drunk
trying to get back to campus?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Right? So was it dumb because you were drunk? Or
was it dumb because you hitch hike? All of the above,
I would I'd only half agree with that. I would
only half agree with that. I think it's dumb because
you were drunk, but it's not it's not dangerous.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
How far were you from campus?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Great question?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Probably like five minutes if that by car?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
No, that's by car, right, so that's about a half
hour walk, maybe maybe thirty five.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
To forty minute walk.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, and you're hammered and you don't want to be
staggering around, right, I don't I don't like that you
were drunk.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
And hitch hiking, but I don't mind that you that
you hitch hiked home.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I was thinking back, I'm going to guess the answer
is you have never hitch hiked.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
You know what, you know what would be good? Christian?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Can you pop yourself on first second, because Kristen was
grew up in the middle of nowhere land like b effie,
Oh hi Kristen, how are you good in you?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm wonderful, thank you. Did you ever hitch hike? I
don't think so.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
And if I did, it was by somebody you knew.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's called getting a ride, you know, when.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
You first started driving and you get a flat tire
and don't have your phone or anybody, and somebody drives
by and you know them.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Right, So that's like that's like if I say, hey,
Kurt when we for old Man Hockey, will you come
pick me up? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Okay, okay, So that didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Right, Okay, But if I were broken down on the
side of the road and coast guard Kurt pulled by,
I'm not hitch hiking. That's just somebody you know. Luckily
you know who pulls over and helps you.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
But that's what I'm saying. Everybody knows everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So so there was no hitch hiking. I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You'd stull like I remember some truckers one time, right,
but I didn't stop to ask them if they needed help.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Right, No, No, But you don't have to just be fine.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I was gonna say, you don't have to just be
giving somebody a right who needs help. It could just
be somebody who is standing on the side of the
road with their thumb up, trying to hitch a ride
to get to wherever, whatever their destination is. It could
be to college, it could be the next town. It
could be I'm hitchhiking across the country, and they may
go like you may pull over and go, I'm not
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driving all the way to California, but I'm going as
far as Texas, And you might drive them to Texas
and then they would get out and then try to
thumb a ride and go somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
No, I'm too scared to do that. Why because there's
murderers out there. You hear the stories.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
What's the out of curiosity?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
What was the last hitchhiker murder story that you're referencing movies? Okay,
in real life, what was the last hike her murder story?
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I don't know. But people go missing all the time,
all the time. I like truck stops.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
All right, very very good, Thank you, Kristen. Now that
I think back, like we used to hitchhike a lot,
hold on.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I just she did get a ride once. I'm just
keeping tracking. Dian was once for hitch hiking and Kristen
was once for getting a ride.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'm gonna I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Gonna put myself down for even though I've claimed that
I hitchhiked, that I have gone hitchhiking in the past,
I'm actually going to remove myself from that list.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I thought you were our go to source.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
We used to hitchhike a lot, but we always hitch hike,
hitch hitchhiked in groups.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
That doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I don't think so, I don't I don't know where
to rule on that. Like we would we would hitchhike
to school because we would miss the bus and we
would stand on the side of a busy road.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Like four of us, three or four of us thumbs
up yeah, and somebody would stop and we do.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I mean, we'd get in the back of a pickup
truck and ride to the back. And then there was
one time that we we hitchhiked for probably forty miles.
But there was again it was a group of like
four or five of us and we were about forty
miles away from Houston, and we hitchhiked our way back.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
But that was does that count?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
You don't have to be by yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think of like, when I think of traditional hitch hiking,
I think of like one or two people.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I think I have another one too that I remember.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Wait or de Scott drive by to give you a ride? Now,
where did you hitchhike.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That time when I was in Costa Rica by myself?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
That's what I thought you were gonna say.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
And that was more recent than college. That was like
like a five years ago or so, right, more than
a little more than that. That was by far one
of the dumbest things I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Tell me why it's dumb because.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It was very dangerous, okay, and the passenger in that car.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It was dangerous because of how the person drove.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
No, no, but the passenger in the because I basically
gave them cash and a bottle of vodka.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That's okay, and you pay him.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And the guy who is.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
The passenger was drinking the vodka and getting more and
more belligerent.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Were you scared?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yes, you were, Yes, I thought I was going to die.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You could ask them to pull over and let you out.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I would have been in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So I was reading about the history of hitchhiking, and
it's actually starting to see a bit of a resurgence.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It is, Yeah, it actually is.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Even with all the fascination with true crime, and like
Kristen said, you can't you can't cite a specific case,
but all you've heard all over your over the course
of your lifetime is how dangerous it is and how
people go missing.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And you know who made it dangerous? I know the
answer to that.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
What are you saying, that's all a myth?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
There was a there serial killer who made it dangerous.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, there was actually a campaign launched to make it dangerous,
kind of like dare No, was this something taught in schools?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
No, I don't know. I mean it predates my hitchhiking.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I don't know the FBI.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
What they call it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
They started a campaign. Here you go, you ready for this?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Hitch Hiking routes stretch all the way back to the
early twentieth century. By the nineteen thirties, hitch hiking wasn't
just mainstream, but was necessary as high employment during the
Great Depression forced many Americans to hitch rides and travel
long distances in search of scarcely available jobs. When World
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War Two began, hitchhiking became a patriotic duty to conserve
resources for the war. Ever, war effort posters were up
all over the place. If you ride alone, you ride
with Hitler. Oh my Tom, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
No, it was encouraged ride hitchhike.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
By the nineteen fifties, though, fear took hold. The FBI
branded hitchhiking a menace, a with FBI director j Edgar
Hoover framing it as a safety and national security risk
as he believed that undercover agents could use it to
slip through the country undetected.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
That's quite the lesson that you've just given us. I'm
looking at the posters for the when you ride alone,
you ride with Hitler. They featured a drawing of a driver,
and next to that driver in the empty seat is
a silhouette of a ghost like Adolf Hitler.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, because you weren't conserving for the war effort.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Geez.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So if you didn't, if you didn't have a hitchhiker,
you were for Hitler. But yes, j Edgar Hoover framed
hitchhiking as a national security risk.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Did that come from or stem from a high profile story, though.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No Hoover instilled a campaign of fear in the US
consciousness that largely still remains a few decades later, coverage
of high profile crimes from US serial killer Edmund Kemper
an Australian backpack killer Ivan Malot, both of whom selected
victims by offering rides to hitchhikers, cemented the dangerous reputation.
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So when people go, oh, what about all the serial killers,
which is why I was asking Kristen, I was not
expecting her.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
To go, you know Edmund Kemper or Ivan Malot?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
What's kepper story? I don't know the co ed killer.
Ten victims are attached to him.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And yes it's bad.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I mean, I'm not going to argue, like, boy, Kemper
got a bad rap, but that's two high profile cases
and that's it.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
In his youth, Kemper performed writes with his younger sisters
dolls that culminated in his removing their heads and hands.
On one occasion, when his elder sister teased him and
asked why he did not try to kiss his teacher,
he replied, if I kiss her, I'd have to kill
her first.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
They talk to these two people separately of each other
who have documented their four thousand car rides through hitchhiking.
And they even said, and one of them's a woman,
and they even said to her, aren't you afraid? And
she's like, I got a pretty good gut read on people.
For the most part, people want to help you. Yeah, right,
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most people. There are more helpers than there are serial killers.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, but you're still taking your chances.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I say all of that, but if my kid was like, Hey,
I got to get back down to Knoxville this week,
I'm just gonna throw my crap at a big sack
and I'm going to stand on the Beltway with my
thumb up, I'd be like, over.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
My dead body.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But that's because I think that we're all brain trained
to think that way.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
You're thinking of Ed Kemper exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
One of his favorite games to play as a child
was a electric chair, in which he would be asked tyler,
he would be asked to or he would ask to
be tied up and have someone flip an imaginary switch.
He would then tumble over and writhe on the floor. Okay,
but wouldn't you know that game? Wouldn't you know if
that guy picked you up like I'm in trouble. But
that's not everybody. But you're also jumping to the extreme,
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which would be death serial killers. Like it's some rob
you or beat you up, or or just creepy people
who make you feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, not doing anything illegal, but you could find creepy
people anywhere I knows.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Willing to pick up it, I know.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
But what I'm saying is it doesn't mean that they're
not getting you from A to B safely and healthy.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
But mental health is at play there. If you're uncomfortable
during the ride.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And then you get out and now you're comfortable, it's temporary,
be traumatized the again, or you know what, it could
be awesome. No, I'm being serious. These people have taken
four thousand car rides. You think they're traumatized.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
No, I'm sure they've had some bad experiences.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Listen, We've all been in situations where where like, you
get a weird not in your stomach, but a lot
of times that's your own internal fear talking to you.
You ever take the dogs out for a walk at
like one o'clock in the morning and you hear something
You're like, uh, and you're.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Like yeah, exactly, that's your own internal fear.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You're fine, right, and then you can run back in
the house where you're safe, right.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Or I could jump out of the car, but I
don't have to jump out of the car. The only
by the way, the only time you ever see a
sign that says don't pick up hitchhikers is where.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
On the highway or like an entrance or exit ramper.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
No, No, you get a hitchhike where is? You can
go stand on ninety five.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I could go get on ninety five in Woodbridge and
hitchhike to Richmond right now, and nobody can say anything
about it.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
That's not illegal. No, if a trooper, you don't think
you're getting in trouble. If a trooper spots you, If.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
A trooper spots me, he has one of two choices.
He could drive by.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
He's gonna pull over anyway and be like, what are
you doing here? Did you break down?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, well, number one officer, you don't see a car.
Number two, No, I didn't break down. I'm trying to
get to Richmond, And he would either he has one
of two choices. Sorry, son, I'm not going that far.
I could take you as far as I don't know wherever,
or he could just drive on by. But you're not
getting arrested for hitchhiking. On ninety five, I was gonna say,
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the only time I remember seeing then is by prisons.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Because you're going to get it in.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Make not do not pick up hitchhikers in case it
is a jail break.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
They don't want that to be a getaway car.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I feel like i've seen that also.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I've definitely seen that. Remember that was my fight with
Dexter Manley. Was it Dexter Manley.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
What you had a couple issues with him when he
he told me he was never in jail them right,
And I was like, dude, I've been by that jail.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
There's a big sign outside that says do not pick
up hitchhikers. I wasn't in jail, Dexter, you were in
I'm reading you the story. But yes, Dexter Manley was
in jail. But I always remember that we'd ride our
bikes by there and you would see the sign that
said do not pick up hitchhikers. But to go back
to Diane's thing, yes I could go get I could go.
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I could go to Columbia, Maryland and get on ninety five.
I can hitchhike from Merriweather you alions, and nobody can
say anything about it.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So because some people are pointing out that in certain
states it is illegal, not just near prisons, it is
illegal in the entirety of the state Maryland and Virginia, Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
When there are only six states where it is illegal,
illegal because they still live in a world of scarem
New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah. And I
don't know why it's illegal there.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Now?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Did it used to be illegal in these parts and
those laws have just come off the books?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I doubt it.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I doubt it. I know it was in the illegal
when I was riding with Hitler.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
That campaign, and I understand the backdrop of that is
the war.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
When you hear it now and you're not in the
midst of that, it is a striking message.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
How'd you get to work today? I drove by yourself?
You ride with Hitler?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah? Now that is aggressive? Where am I going? Line four?
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Elliott the morning?
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Hey the sea? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (15:12):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Who's this?
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (15:14):
This is naughty? This is your Australian Nursing friend, I
got a doozy for you. Okay, so not ivan a lot,
but in Canada look up Robert Picton.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
It was two thousand and five. It was after my
freshman year of college. I had platinum blond dreads. My
friend had graduated.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
She and I drove out to Oregon and then from
there I hitchhiked. It was Eugene, Oregon. I hitchhiked to
Portland and then Seattle and then into Vancouver, Canada completely alone.
Got to Vancouver and I did the entire US Canada
border by myself when I was nineteen years old.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Do not know how I survived.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
Uh, and got picked up.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
He told me his name was Eddie. It wasn't a
pickup truck.
Speaker 9 (16:05):
And I should have known the signs because he was
wearing overalls.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
And uh not uncommon. And so they just like, do
you your parents know where you are?
Speaker 9 (16:18):
They'd be here to Dath's blah blah blah, and it's
that's a very common question that they ask you. And
I said, no, Uh, they they don't. And then he
kind of paused and said, uh, does anyone.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Know where you are? And I said, yeah, I got
friends that I call into.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
I mean, I didn't have a cell phone on me nothing.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Okay, yeah, I mean this is two thousand and five.
Uh well, I mean we had cell phones.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
But anyways, and then uh then he was like ten
miles down the road and said is that your natural
hair color? And I was like, I have to go
to the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So so wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So was this this guy who was doing this is
Robert Pickton?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
What is his story?
Speaker 7 (17:11):
So he?
Speaker 9 (17:11):
I mean, uh so, Robert Pickton is one of Canada's
most infinous serial killers. He owned a hog farm or
let me finish the story. So I said I had
to go to the bathroom. He pulled over to gas station,
waited around for half an hour, and then took off.
And then I got back into the highway, got into
(17:32):
Calgary and his front his his face is on the
cover of every newspaper and I'm.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Like, Eddie, I was like, Eddie, what the hecker you owned?
F Yeah, he owned a he owned a hog farm.
I think it was in Saskatchewan.
Speaker 9 (17:53):
And he would drive down to the trans Kenaga Highways
known as the one that runs the entire border.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
Pick up hitchhighers and prostitutes.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Also, uh, is this the guy where they where they
eventually dug up his his farm, and it was like
a staggering amount of bodies yep.
Speaker 9 (18:14):
Yeah, because he would see him to hogs, yes, and
through solid bones.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And it was a ton.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You're right, it was a ton of prostitutes and hitch hikers. Okay,
so now we're going, we're gonna put how about that
you were in the car with him? Did you ever
tell the police?
Speaker 9 (18:32):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (18:32):
What what to say?
Speaker 8 (18:33):
What?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (18:34):
You know that guy that you already caught, Yeah, didn't
catch me?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Can I ask you this other than your ride with
Canada's most notorious serial killer? But like the rest of
the time was was it? Was it a fun experience?
Like did you meet some cool peopeople?
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Lovely? Yes? Oh my goodness, the most I have.
Speaker 9 (18:56):
Been high, higher, uh than anytime in my entire life
when I was hitchhiking, because there well one I was
hitchhiking through Oregon and Seattle. First guy I got a
ride with with an old VW Van. His name was
Blue Jay, and he was like, I hope you don't
mind him on my way home.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
From work and I always smoke with Jay if you want.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
Some, And I'm like, not a problem. Man and then
going through Canada. Sometimes it took me like five rides
to get from Vancouver into I think the next.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Time was medicine hat.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Sure, I mean it was a long time ago.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
I mean yeah.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
And so it's like there were bubblers, there were joints,
there were blunts, et cetera.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
So I'm by the side of the road on my
fourth ride being like, well.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I don't want to be rude. Now, hey, thank you, ma'am,
thank you. Oh my god. Okay, that hurts. That hurts.
The argument that it's cool.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
How do you go to any other story that, No,
he's got six confirmed he was killed by another inmate
in jail, Yes, but six confirmed. But they're saying investigators
secrets full fifty they think he killed fifty women.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh I thought it was more than that.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I can say all of those people who just disappeared
and they're cold cases.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
But let me ask you this, will you would you
ever stop and pick up a hitchhiker?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Some people pointed that out, that we were leaving out
the other part of the formula.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Right, No, Well that's the part I was going to
get to. And why won't you pick them up?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Because they're crazy and they're gonna kill me.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So now every hitch hiker and every hitchhiker, hitchhiker picker
upper is everybody's a murderer.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Better saysan Sorry.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
The okay, then you should never leave your house.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I'm fine with that. From mud Turtle. I pick up
hitchhikers all the time. There are chances of two serial
killers being in the same car at one time or astronomical.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
That's actually and if you could script it, that's what
you want.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
But literally the next message after that one came through
was from Brittany, who said, my half sister's mother got
killed the hitchhiking.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
My god, can we note please? I feel horrible about that.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, I feel horrible about course.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I can't get over the way she told that story.
Is it because she's told it so many times. It
was like a smile.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Through her through the radio. You could sense, well, she's
no longer in fear. She had a great experience minus Eddie.
And at the end of the day at a party,
you own the story. I got picked up by Canada's
most notorious. That would be like saying John Wayne Gacy
picked me up while I was hitch hiking.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
My goodness, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But again, none of us want a hitchhike because we're afraid.
And then none of us want to pick up hitchhikers
because we're afraid.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
If you had to do one, which one won't you pick?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I'd rather hitchhike.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I think I would too.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I'd rather hitch hiking than pick up a hitchhiker.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yep, because Diane, you're picking up a hitchhiker.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Because you know hitchhikers are crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
No, And I don't know why you know what?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
You know?
Speaker 10 (22:12):
Why?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know why? I think that is is I think
I I I.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Romanticize the adventure of myself hitch hiking, versus feeling bad
that I'm only giving you a ride from A to
b okay, like I would feel like no, I would
just feel like they're afraid of me. They think I'm crazy.
I'm not really giving them a long ride, like you
(22:41):
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Like I don't. I don't know why. I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I just keep thinking of Large March.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
The large large that says, O, my sister got killed
by Well, I shouldn't say.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I saw two guys in Stirlington on Saturday at the
entrance to three five South try and hit ride with
a sign that just said Richmond.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Did he give a ride? No, Hey, I'm going as
far as Xel Road.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Bet nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, that's the other thing. You got to have a
cool sign.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Do you have to have a sign?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
No, But a lot of times they do, because there
are times where like I do remember, I clearly remember
my buddy and I want stopping to give a hitchhiker
a ride and the guy came running up to the
car because we had pulled over, and he was like.
We were like, hey, where are you going? And it
was far away and we're like, we're not going that
(23:36):
far and he was like I don't care. And we
were like, oh damn. It took off and then you
feel horrible, like we spit.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Your gravel at this guy. It was horrible.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
That's worse.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, no, it is. That's a dick sight.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Like this guy probably like, oh thank god, I'm out
of the Texas heat and I don't care how far
I'm going. Can I just put my face in front
of the air van And we dusted this guy with gravel?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Fine too, But like if Marley.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Colton was like, hey, I want to come home and
see you and Dad, I'm going to hitchhike from Savannah.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
You'd lose your mind. And the truth is she'd be fine.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
No, she wouldn't. Yeah, she was, she wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
You want to talk about somebody who's like hyper suspicious
of people, she wouldn't do that, and.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Nobody that's good to be hyper suspicious.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But then you also know there are good people out
there that'll just give you a ride. I just wrapped
up an Astro beer hall and now I need to
make it to Richmond. No.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
But I always feel like you should have a sign.
You should always have a sign that says.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Where you're trying to get to see Neil Young.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
The no, I don't mean like going to the show,
but what city you're going to? So that way I
know I'm going. I'm not going to go that far.
I'm going again. I'm going to Edsel Road. But whatever,
and then closer than you were before, and I'll tell
you this, you know where else. A lot of people
get really weirded out about picking up a hitchhiker.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Have kids in the car? Yes, the okay, what can
I finish the sentence?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
So you open the side door and look in the back.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No, no. But if it was like me, Jackie and the.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Boys, and I'd be like when they were younger, I'd
be like, Hey, you know, listen, we're all going to Richmond.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Why don't you hop in and go with us? Oh
family trip? Yeah? Why not. I would never pick somebody
up with kids.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
That sounds horrible because then I think they're just going
to take my car for their family and then kill me.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Obviously, I'm sorry. Where am I going? Line too? Hi?
Elliet the morning, Hey, don't be scared.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He'll be here by the way. No, actually he'll billy.
I'm glad that you called that in rural In rural areas,
like we take it for granted. We've got we've got Metro,
we've got Uber, we got e bikes, we got scooters.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You get out into rural areas, you.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
May not have any of that, and you may need
to get from cow Pop to dun Dilly.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And there's no other way. There's no other way to go.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
You just gotta have phones. That's it.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Hey do you do you?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah? The answer the answer to both is yes. Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 8 (26:12):
So I couldn't believe you're talking about this because and
as much as I encourage my wife to listen to
the show. I don't want her listening right now because
I told her I'm not picking up any more hitchhikers.
Well what I did the other day, Well, well there
was there was the hiker, and I opened the door.
I said, just let you know, I got two pistols
(26:34):
aimed at it right now.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
If you want to ride, you.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Can have it.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
And he said no, thanks to shut the door, and
I kept going.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
No good.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
He's like, this guy's crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
But you could see you could see where, you could
see where that would be.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Alarming to somebody, because the reason.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You don't hitchhike is the guy who picks you up.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Is going to kill you. Well, no, doe.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
The guy was probably just a friendly gentleman trying to
secure a ride somewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
But then you have no offense. I got two pistols
about Tyler.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
That's all you need to do.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
He was established, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
No sunscreen, all right, h'll billy, thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Could you imagine telling Lindsay that you were on your
way home and you picked up a hitchhiker on two seventy.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
That's a story I would never tell.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Oh, you would keep it a secret like hillbilly.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
It would be even harder to imagine telling her, I
promise I won't pick any more up.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Line eight, Hi elliot the morning. Yeah, Hi, who's this.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
Richmond?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Are you a big hitchhiker? No?
Speaker 10 (27:50):
Actually, we were always like scared not to pick up
pitchhikers because my mom's stepmom.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
Her oldest daughter, was murdered by the Casanova killer.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Who's this one?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Who's the Casanova killer?
Speaker 11 (28:05):
He's like a famous serial killer that killed a bunch
of pitch shikers, like ran away with her boyfriend in
Georgia and he picked them both up and he murdered
the boyfriend in the field, and then he took my
mom's stepsister into the woods and murdered her.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Confirmed eighteen victims to his Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But was it all hitchhikers?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
It was a multi state crime spree.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Jesus Christ, Can I can I ask this?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Obviously I don't. I don't like hearing that. I don't
like hearing that.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But do we have more listeners who have interacted with
serial killers than most shows?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Jesus Christ?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And you did and your you said it was your
your aunt, your mom's sister, it was.
Speaker 10 (28:45):
My mom's Yeah, it was my mom's like stepsister, but
they had never met. It was my mom my stepmom,
my stepgrandma's oldest daughter. So she just didn't really like
to talk about it.
Speaker 11 (28:56):
She just told us all not to ever hitchhike.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That'll stick with you.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I guess if I had a relative who'd gotten it
that way, I would probably feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Hey, you want a shirt? I don't know what to do.
All right, very good, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
So was he referred to as the Casanova color because
of his good looks.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well, I was gonna say, like, just looking at that
picture of him, he's got kind of like an old
Hollywood look smoking a cigarette, Like he looks like he
looks like not James Dean, but kind of that like rebel.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Without a cause. So he died in seventy four.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Sheriff Sheriff Earl Lee and agent Ronnie Angel from the
GBI were traveling down I twenty with Knowles, who was
handcuffed in the back seat. Their destination was Henry County,
the Juro the Duro. The Georgia Bureau of An Investigation
reported that Knowles grabbed a Lee's handgun, discharging it through
(29:57):
the holster in the process, and while Lee was guggling
with Noles and attempting to keep control of the vehicle,
Agent Ronnie Angel fired three shots into his chest, killing
him Instille.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
While they were wrestling for the gun.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
And control of the car.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Wow, wow, damn, So what do we take from this?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
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