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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Aren't you the one that always says, like, if you
get like during a performance review or like a like HR,
that you should never nark out somebody because they'll, like
HR is going to tell them what you said.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I don't remember ever saying that.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Diane. You always do not believe when we are told
stuff is anonymous.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh no, I never believe.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
She's like militant about that's right, that's right, yes, but
same thing, Oh that's right, Like if it is a
like Aaron will sometimes send out the thing of like, hey, review,
what's going on and stuff, and Diane's like, uh huh,
they know who.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It is, absolutely no, But it says anonymous on the
thing the same way that like during.
Speaker 6 (00:49):
Companies lie, the people lie because there are any of
that they're thinking if if they think it's not anonymous,
then nobody's going to want to fill it out. So
if there's a few people who get conned and think
that it is, then at least theyn't have some sort
of data to.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Doesn't Aaron come back in the past and said, it
is anonymous.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
But it's not anonymous. But I also love anonymity.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And I like anonymity born, did you?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Because you you are very, very cautious when we are
told that our our surveys or our responses will be
kept secret.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I wish i'd dream But was she?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Were you burnt badly by someone promising you that one
great question? Or did you see it go down?
Speaker 7 (01:41):
You remember?
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I don't think I was victim to it, But I
feel like I've heard over the years where people are like, yeah,
one anonymous, I got I got.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Crap for that talking like that, Wait they got crap
for it?
Speaker 7 (01:56):
Well?
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Yeah, like were people were something that you had written
and I supposed an anonymous post be it whatever, then
comes back to bite you in the ass. And then
somebody calls you out for it.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No, no, but but you understand a lot of times
it's anonymous because they want to they maybe it could
help affect change. So if you see the change take place,
do you assume that they're going to come back to
you and say something.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Not necessarily, but why risk it?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But even stuff that you want changed, well, you're not
helping affect the change.
Speaker 8 (02:29):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
I like in the old days when they used to
have a suggestion box the oh, because then that was
unless somebody saw you put it in. There was truly
anonymous handwriting, not if you had somebody else write it
for you. Now it's all about your digital footprint, and
there's no way that you can't be traced.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true.
So you think if you fill out like one of
their survey monkeys or whatever it is, Yeah, hold.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
On, Diane's venturing and a territory where she just starts
swinging together words. It is not exactly sure what they
all mean. Let's see where this goes.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So you do a survey monkey and it's it's it's
it's anonymous. Aaron says, it's anonymous. You think that they're
gonna go through and go all right, check the IP adress.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
If some if somebody says something that is accusatory of
somebody else, like if somebody has got some intel on somebody, right,
then they're going to come back and question you about it.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
And I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Oh that was maleim survey monkeys. Damn, that's on me,
that's on me. I'm being very public about it. I
don't need to hide or be anonymous.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
That was my fault.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So I was reading about a guy yesterday. This is
what made me think of you. I was reading about
a guy yesterday. He was having a performance review, and
in his performance review he said, hey, listen, I work
in a department and a lot of the people are
are gone frequently, like a lot, and I'm left to
do essentially the job of four people because this one's
(04:13):
gone or this one's gone, or dumb's gone today, ass
is gone tomorrow, like people are just like, nobody does
any work and I'm left to do it.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So he went through that performance review, right.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And that's when the HR person went to the manager,
and the manager then went to the three people and
were like, hey, listen, Calvin's very tired here it is.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Why did they have to call him out by name?
Why couldn't they just say, hey, listen, we've gone over
and your productivity is down waylow.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And Calvin, well maybe they don't, but maybe they don't
know the productivity is down because Calvin is picking up
all of that.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Slack right right, So they didn't even need to figure
out it was Calvin. They used his name.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
They went to there's four of us, and so you're slack.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
No, no, no, let's say no, let's say it's the
four of us, right, it's the four of us, and Kristin,
Diane and Tyler are very lax and are gone all.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
The time, half ass in it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Diane shows up two three hours late for the shift,
like whatever it is, leeverly of course, yeah whatever, but
like and but I'm left here working my my fingers
to the knobs.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Right, So I go in for my performance.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I go in for my performance review, and I go, hey, listen,
not for nothing. But you know, Kristen's gone half the time,
Diane is, she lives, and I don't give an f land.
Tyler's always gone, like I'm doing everything right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And they're like, okay, all right, very good.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well you know what, let us this is a performance review.
We're gonna go over stuff. Performance review goes to Aaron
and says, hey, listen, we got a problem. Elliott is
upset with the other three team members. He's he feels
like he's picking up all the slack. So anyway, Aaron
comes down the hall and go says, is Elliott here,
And You're like, no, you know, he's he's what, he's
(06:00):
taking a piss And he's like, good listen, let me
talk to you guys.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Elliott just had his peers. This is how it happened.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Elliott just had his his review and he says that
he's like, he's having to pick up the slack for
all three of you guys who are never here.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
But that's now creating a hostile environment.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Oh yeah, Calvin is leaving the job. Oh yeah, Calvin.
Oh it's got.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Because the other three are like us exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Oh yeah, and bad like now, so not not only
have the other three had to now change what the
work that they've become accustomed to doing, they hate Calvin
for it, right yeah, not like oh I got away
with this for a long time. No, f Calvin. So
now they're being they're being real pricks to Calvin. And
Calvin's like, so now I have to decide do I
(06:45):
want to sit in uncomfortable land where I'm getting, you know,
crap from three of my employee co workers, or am
I gonna leave?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
He's leaving leaving so you're because it wasn't anonymous.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Effect change and now he's got to change his job.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh it's affecting change, right, Like when Diane fills out
the survey monkey.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Why don't do it.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
This is not going to help with them convincing her
to at least complete some of the questions because of
her I think you your words were digital footprinted? Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Where am I going?
Speaker 8 (07:32):
Line to?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Hi Elliott in the morning?
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Hey Elliott, how are you today? Sir?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I am doing well? But hey, hold on one second,
bear with me, sir. But Diane, wouldn't you wouldn't you
want to like affect change on the other people that
aren't doing their job.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Sure, but instead of filling out a survey monkey, maybe
I just drop little hints verbally.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
What hints are you going to drop? What hints are
you going to drop?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You drop four hits during this break about stuff, and
it's not going to affect any change.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Was that the hint you're gonna like huff and puff?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Maybe if you because then no, maybe because maybe if
you if you say something kind of like a snotty remark,
somebody's gonna go, what's wrong? Aaron's gonna Aaron's gonna stop
me in the kitchen. Wait, so what's wrong? So they're
gonna go with I mean I could say something that
go I could say something, but nothing will be done.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Anyway, I'm sorry, sir, back to you, Back to you.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
No apology needed. You guys are running a show. So
I'm a I'm a leader of people, and I can
tell you right now that most of the surveys are
anonymous systemically, like you don't get to see who did what.
Somewhere there's a log of it, but they keep it anonymous.
If you're a good leader, and you know you're If
you're a good leader and you know your people, I
can tell you who wrote what and what the feedback
is without I've been even seeing the data and I've
(09:00):
been able to do that for ten years. So there
is some credence on both sides of it. The companies
work hard to try to keep it private, but good leaders,
good managers, good people, heres absolutely know who wrote what,
and it's you just can't say that, don't.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I can tell you who.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
Wrote what every time they write it.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
By the way, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I like that. So do you think?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's very anonymous and it's part of the leader.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
It's harder the leader for you then to compartmentalize something.
Let's suck get conveying bad news to people.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So it's what you get out of it.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
But one hundred percent of the time, I guarantee you
good people who listen and have the ability to really
understand what people're saying. They absolutely know who wrote what.
If you care about your people and know them. If
you don't, then you're like, hey, whatever. So I've been
able to do that through the last three leadership positions
I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
No, that's awesome, that's great. So that was now.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That begs it, Thank you, sir. That begs the question.
Would Aaron know what we wrote without us right, without
saying who it is?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And are people quick to think that it's instantly identifying
you as it submits your responses instead of wondering, oh,
maybe my tone is identifiable, or my style of writing,
or just the change I looked to effect. Because there's
a message here from an anonymous listener. I worked at
(10:25):
a place in the day after the anonymous survey, a
PD recited my feet Sorry, somebody recited my feedback. Sorry,
then come on, there are quotes around feedback. Someone recited
my quote unquote feedback verbatim and asked me why I
would say those things, But it was anonymous. But Diane,
(10:48):
that's exactly what the caller just said. It was anonymous that.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
It was so good.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
He knew exactly what that salesperson was saying.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
If the team you oversee or even your business is
that small, that's very believable.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Mine would be years would be what. They would know
it's mine. They would know it's mine.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I hate, iHeart oh Elliot's okay, but they would.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Know locally if if you did something that was not
sent directly to the head of d C and Baltimore
and went corporate, would they know it was you?
Speaker 8 (11:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh that was even more so. Yeah, yeah, I've been
on the receiving end of those emails.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh, just encouraging me that maybe I not make my
dislike so public. Stop And I said, no, no, no, no,
just no on the air about my some of my
grievances with the company, and my response has always been, well,
fixed them, and one day they're fixed them, is going
to be get.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Rid of me?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yes, I mean you know how it works.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Well, that's fun.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Who was the one that told the feedback guy, you're
feeding the beast? This is exactly what Diane is nervous about.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
What else is she nervous about?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Her, what.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Her digital footprint whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
That's not just in this moment, that's ongoing.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Nine one Hi Ellie in the morning. Yeah, Hi, who's this.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Hey, my name's Brad. I drive a truck for a
company out of Winchester, Virginia.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yes, sir, And we had an anonymous.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Survey, and I side with Diane. We had to log
into the survey with our employee number. By the way,
we have to do the same thing. Our surveys come
to us through iHeart.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
So yeah, they know that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Ooh, Diane may be right.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
But try to tell them no, no, that's not tracked.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Oh that's a good question. Did they tell you ahead
of time there's nothing to worry about. Everything is good?
Speaker 8 (13:09):
Uh, maybe I don't remember. I don't do their stupid
surveys that don't matter.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
But by the way, you do bring up a good point,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I do think a lot of people don't take those
surveys seriously because they think they don't matter.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
So they do fill them out, they just don't do
so honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, then nothing is ever going to improve.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
True.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
But at the same time, you just told a story
about where a guy was hoping for improvement and lost
his job.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
At well, yes, believe yeah, because they went back and
they were like, hey, Calvin's tired of you guys.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Oh, Calvin's tired, Diane. The last thing we need now
is Elliott's baby voice. Then you'll hear from New York.
So yeah, but I do believe that.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I bet there are a lot of people that go like, hey,
if they were asking for input on coworkers and stuff,
people would just go, yeah, they're fine, they're fine, they're fine,
instead of going, well, let me tell you what bothers
me about this one, in this one and this one
because they think nothing's gonna happen anyway. It's why do
we have to do those It's the same reason we
have to do those stupid online sessions.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Oh the certification for two reason.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It's number one so they can cover their ASSID number
two because Bobby Bones is stupid.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Those are the two reasons.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Is this what the other networks say about ESPN?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Didn't they just get again? Yes they did.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
A couple people have said this on Instagram then on
x here, and one of them is actually a Josh
from down the hall. You use AI to write the feedback.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Oh, so all the managers won't know that it's your writing.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And Lava said the same thing, and then there were
a couple of messages AI Instagram too. I never would
have thought of that if you were really trying to
hide your voice. Yeah, no, I mean it's very smart,
but could be connected to you.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
What do you mean like like, oh, obviously he's gonna
complain about this. Yeah, I mean you do run into
that risk.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Local bill. But here's the other thing I would tell Josh.
You could use AI or you could use your own stuff.
It's not like anybody's digging through the pile to go, Oh,
let me see what Shoehorn thinks.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Nobody cares.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Do you think that he did that for the last survey? Yeah,
there were some open ended questions on that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I believe, Hey, Josh, come here, because Josh won't be
honest what he just said.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
He's doing so through the mask of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
What was on the last survey?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
The last survey is the one we get every year.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Did you use AI on the last one? I will
not answer that question, so that's a yes. Well I
may as well ask anal.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I will not answer that.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Do you always do you always fill it out?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I will not answer that question.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Stop, get out, get out. This is how, this is
how you lose your ability to talk. Then get out
of the room. If you're not going to talk, get
out of the room. Let me hear what No, get
out of the room.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
You'll still hear.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You won't answer that question.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
No, he's going to respond to this because it's a compliment.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You're like free money. Oh yeah, Oh I will answer
that question.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Go ahead, because I have not talked to Josh in months. Face.
We were texting during raw last night.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Awesome. No, how much weight have you lost?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Thirty pounds?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah you can see that.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, you knew he lost weight. He told us about
it in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I'll talk about it in there. Get out of the room.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
The room.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
No, you don't come stand in front of a microphone
and then say you're not going to talk. I I
have I know, I don't do it every time.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But okay, all right, very good. So there's your answer.
I don't even care much like Aaron with your responses.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Which do you recognize him without such harsh lighting?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, he still looks like Josh. I don't know if
I would you would recognize him?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Well, if he was sitting in that same studio, I
probably think, who's that guy that looks like Josh? Like Josh, he.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Hasn't lost that much weight. No, I mean, don't get
me wrong, he's lost thirty pounds. That's a lot of weight. Wow,
and he's still working on it. But the but yes, you.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Would not you would know it's him. Okay, yeah, no,
he looks good. He's horrible on a microphone, but he
looks good. But we'll not answer that. How about you
say I'm not coming in next time.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Aren't you the one that always says, like, if you
get like during a performance review or like a like HR,
that you should never nark out somebody because they'll, like
HR is going to tell them what you said.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I don't remember ever saying that.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Diane. You always do not believe when we are told
stuff is anonymous.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh no, I never believe.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
She's like militant about that's right, that's right, yes, but
same thing, Oh that's right, Like if it is a
like Aaron will sometimes send out the thing of like, hey, review,
what's going on and stuff, and Diane's like, uh huh,
they know who.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It is, absolutely no, But it says anonymous on the
thing the same way that like during.
Speaker 6 (00:49):
Companies lie, the people lie because there are any of
that they're thinking if if they think it's not anonymous,
then nobody's going to want to fill it out. So
if there's a few people who get conned and think
that it is, then at least theyn't have some sort
of data to.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Doesn't Aaron come back in the past and said, it
is anonymous.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
But it's not anonymous. But I also love anonymity.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And I like anonymity born, did you?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Because you you are very, very cautious when we are
told that our our surveys or our responses will be
kept secret.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I wish i'd dream But was she?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Were you burnt badly by someone promising you that one
great question? Or did you see it go down?
Speaker 7 (01:41):
You remember?
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I don't think I was victim to it, But I
feel like I've heard over the years where people are like, yeah,
one anonymous, I got I got.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Crap for that talking like that, Wait they got crap
for it?
Speaker 7 (01:56):
Well?
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Yeah, like were people were something that you had written
and I supposed an anonymous post be it whatever, then
comes back to bite you in the ass. And then
somebody calls you out for it.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
No, no, but but you understand a lot of times
it's anonymous because they want to they maybe it could
help affect change. So if you see the change take place,
do you assume that they're going to come back to
you and say something.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Not necessarily, but why risk it?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But even stuff that you want changed, well, you're not
helping affect the change.
Speaker 8 (02:29):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
I like in the old days when they used to
have a suggestion box the oh, because then that was
unless somebody saw you put it in. There was truly
anonymous handwriting, not if you had somebody else write it
for you. Now it's all about your digital footprint, and
there's no way that you can't be traced.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true.
So you think if you fill out like one of
their survey monkeys or whatever it is, Yeah, hold.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
On, Diane's venturing and a territory where she just starts
swinging together words. It is not exactly sure what they
all mean. Let's see where this goes.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So you do a survey monkey and it's it's it's
it's anonymous. Aaron says, it's anonymous. You think that they're
gonna go through and go all right, check the IP adress.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
If some if somebody says something that is accusatory of
somebody else, like if somebody has got some intel on somebody, right,
then they're going to come back and question you about it.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
And I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Oh that was maleim survey monkeys. Damn, that's on me,
that's on me. I'm being very public about it. I
don't need to hide or be anonymous.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
That was my fault.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So I was reading about a guy yesterday. This is
what made me think of you. I was reading about
a guy yesterday. He was having a performance review, and
in his performance review he said, hey, listen, I work
in a department and a lot of the people are
are gone frequently, like a lot, and I'm left to
do essentially the job of four people because this one's
(04:13):
gone or this one's gone, or dumb's gone today, ass
is gone tomorrow, like people are just like, nobody does
any work and I'm left to do it.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So he went through that performance review, right.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And that's when the HR person went to the manager,
and the manager then went to the three people and
were like, hey, listen, Calvin's very tired here it is.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Why did they have to call him out by name?
Why couldn't they just say, hey, listen, we've gone over
and your productivity is down waylow.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And Calvin, well maybe they don't, but maybe they don't
know the productivity is down because Calvin is picking up
all of that.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Slack right right, So they didn't even need to figure
out it was Calvin. They used his name.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
They went to there's four of us, and so you're slack.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
No, no, no, let's say no, let's say it's the
four of us, right, it's the four of us, and Kristin,
Diane and Tyler are very lax and are gone all.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
The time, half ass in it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Diane shows up two three hours late for the shift,
like whatever it is, leeverly of course, yeah whatever, but
like and but I'm left here working my my fingers
to the knobs.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Right, So I go in for my performance.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I go in for my performance review, and I go, hey, listen,
not for nothing. But you know, Kristen's gone half the time,
Diane is, she lives, and I don't give an f land.
Tyler's always gone, like I'm doing everything right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And they're like, okay, all right, very good.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well you know what, let us this is a performance review.
We're gonna go over stuff. Performance review goes to Aaron
and says, hey, listen, we got a problem. Elliott is
upset with the other three team members. He's he feels
like he's picking up all the slack. So anyway, Aaron
comes down the hall and go says, is Elliott here,
And You're like, no, you know, he's he's what, he's
(06:00):
taking a piss And he's like, good listen, let me
talk to you guys.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Elliott just had his peers. This is how it happened.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Elliott just had his his review and he says that
he's like, he's having to pick up the slack for
all three of you guys who are never here.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
But that's now creating a hostile environment.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Oh yeah, Calvin is leaving the job. Oh yeah, Calvin.
Oh it's got.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Because the other three are like us exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Oh yeah, and bad like now, so not not only
have the other three had to now change what the
work that they've become accustomed to doing, they hate Calvin
for it, right yeah, not like oh I got away
with this for a long time. No, f Calvin. So
now they're being they're being real pricks to Calvin. And
Calvin's like, so now I have to decide do I
(06:45):
want to sit in uncomfortable land where I'm getting, you know,
crap from three of my employee co workers, or am
I gonna leave?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
He's leaving leaving so you're because it wasn't anonymous.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Effect change and now he's got to change his job.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh it's affecting change, right, Like when Diane fills out
the survey monkey.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Why don't do it.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
This is not going to help with them convincing her
to at least complete some of the questions because of
her I think you your words were digital footprinted? Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Where am I going?
Speaker 8 (07:32):
Line to?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Hi Elliott in the morning?
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Hey Elliott, how are you today? Sir?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I am doing well? But hey, hold on one second,
bear with me, sir. But Diane, wouldn't you wouldn't you
want to like affect change on the other people that
aren't doing their job.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Sure, but instead of filling out a survey monkey, maybe
I just drop little hints verbally.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
What hints are you going to drop? What hints are
you going to drop?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You drop four hits during this break about stuff, and
it's not going to affect any change.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Was that the hint you're gonna like huff and puff?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Maybe if you because then no, maybe because maybe if
you if you say something kind of like a snotty remark,
somebody's gonna go, what's wrong? Aaron's gonna Aaron's gonna stop
me in the kitchen. Wait, so what's wrong? So they're
gonna go with I mean I could say something that
go I could say something, but nothing will be done.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Anyway, I'm sorry, sir, back to you, Back to you.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
No apology needed. You guys are running a show. So
I'm a I'm a leader of people, and I can
tell you right now that most of the surveys are
anonymous systemically, like you don't get to see who did what.
Somewhere there's a log of it, but they keep it anonymous.
If you're a good leader, and you know you're If
you're a good leader and you know your people, I
can tell you who wrote what and what the feedback
is without I've been even seeing the data and I've
(09:00):
been able to do that for ten years. So there
is some credence on both sides of it. The companies
work hard to try to keep it private, but good leaders,
good managers, good people, heres absolutely know who wrote what,
and it's you just can't say that, don't.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I can tell you who.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
Wrote what every time they write it.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
By the way, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I like that. So do you think?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's very anonymous and it's part of the leader.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
It's harder the leader for you then to compartmentalize something.
Let's suck get conveying bad news to people.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So it's what you get out of it.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
But one hundred percent of the time, I guarantee you
good people who listen and have the ability to really
understand what people're saying. They absolutely know who wrote what.
If you care about your people and know them. If
you don't, then you're like, hey, whatever. So I've been
able to do that through the last three leadership positions
I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
No, that's awesome, that's great. So that was now.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That begs it, Thank you, sir. That begs the question.
Would Aaron know what we wrote without us right, without
saying who it is?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And are people quick to think that it's instantly identifying
you as it submits your responses instead of wondering, oh,
maybe my tone is identifiable, or my style of writing,
or just the change I looked to effect. Because there's
a message here from an anonymous listener. I worked at
(10:25):
a place in the day after the anonymous survey, a
PD recited my feet Sorry, somebody recited my feedback. Sorry,
then come on, there are quotes around feedback. Someone recited
my quote unquote feedback verbatim and asked me why I
would say those things, But it was anonymous. But Diane,
(10:48):
that's exactly what the caller just said. It was anonymous that.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
It was so good.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
He knew exactly what that salesperson was saying.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
If the team you oversee or even your business is
that small, that's very believable.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Mine would be years would be what. They would know
it's mine. They would know it's mine.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I hate, iHeart oh Elliot's okay, but they would.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Know locally if if you did something that was not
sent directly to the head of d C and Baltimore
and went corporate, would they know it was you?
Speaker 8 (11:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh that was even more so. Yeah, yeah, I've been
on the receiving end of those emails.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh, just encouraging me that maybe I not make my
dislike so public. Stop And I said, no, no, no, no,
just no on the air about my some of my
grievances with the company, and my response has always been, well,
fixed them, and one day they're fixed them, is going
to be get.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Rid of me?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yes, I mean you know how it works.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Well, that's fun.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Who was the one that told the feedback guy, you're
feeding the beast? This is exactly what Diane is nervous about.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
What else is she nervous about?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Her, what.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Her digital footprint whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
That's not just in this moment, that's ongoing.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Nine one Hi Ellie in the morning. Yeah, Hi, who's this.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Hey, my name's Brad. I drive a truck for a
company out of Winchester, Virginia.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yes, sir, And we had an anonymous.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Survey, and I side with Diane. We had to log
into the survey with our employee number. By the way,
we have to do the same thing. Our surveys come
to us through iHeart.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
So yeah, they know that.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Ooh, Diane may be right.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
But try to tell them no, no, that's not tracked.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Oh that's a good question. Did they tell you ahead
of time there's nothing to worry about. Everything is good?
Speaker 8 (13:09):
Uh, maybe I don't remember. I don't do their stupid
surveys that don't matter.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
But by the way, you do bring up a good point,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I do think a lot of people don't take those
surveys seriously because they think they don't matter.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
So they do fill them out, they just don't do
so honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, then nothing is ever going to improve.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
True.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
But at the same time, you just told a story
about where a guy was hoping for improvement and lost
his job.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
At well, yes, believe yeah, because they went back and
they were like, hey, Calvin's tired of you guys.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Oh, Calvin's tired, Diane. The last thing we need now
is Elliott's baby voice. Then you'll hear from New York.
So yeah, but I do believe that.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I bet there are a lot of people that go like, hey,
if they were asking for input on coworkers and stuff,
people would just go, yeah, they're fine, they're fine, they're fine,
instead of going, well, let me tell you what bothers
me about this one, in this one and this one
because they think nothing's gonna happen anyway. It's why do
we have to do those It's the same reason we
have to do those stupid online sessions.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Oh the certification for two reason.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It's number one so they can cover their ASSID number
two because Bobby Bones is stupid.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Those are the two reasons.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Is this what the other networks say about ESPN?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Didn't they just get again? Yes they did.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
A couple people have said this on Instagram then on
x here, and one of them is actually a Josh
from down the hall. You use AI to write the feedback.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Oh, so all the managers won't know that it's your writing.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And Lava said the same thing, and then there were
a couple of messages AI Instagram too. I never would
have thought of that if you were really trying to
hide your voice. Yeah, no, I mean it's very smart,
but could be connected to you.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
What do you mean like like, oh, obviously he's gonna
complain about this. Yeah, I mean you do run into
that risk.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Local bill. But here's the other thing I would tell Josh.
You could use AI or you could use your own stuff.
It's not like anybody's digging through the pile to go, Oh,
let me see what Shoehorn thinks.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Nobody cares.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Do you think that he did that for the last survey? Yeah,
there were some open ended questions on that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I believe, Hey, Josh, come here, because Josh won't be
honest what he just said.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
He's doing so through the mask of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
What was on the last survey?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
The last survey is the one we get every year.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Did you use AI on the last one? I will
not answer that question, so that's a yes. Well I
may as well ask anal.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I will not answer that.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Do you always do you always fill it out?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I will not answer that question.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Stop, get out, get out. This is how, this is
how you lose your ability to talk. Then get out
of the room. If you're not going to talk, get
out of the room. Let me hear what No, get
out of the room.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
You'll still hear.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You won't answer that question.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
No, he's going to respond to this because it's a compliment.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You're like free money. Oh yeah, Oh I will answer
that question.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Go ahead, because I have not talked to Josh in months. Face.
We were texting during raw last night.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Awesome. No, how much weight have you lost?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Thirty pounds?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah you can see that.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, you knew he lost weight. He told us about
it in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I'll talk about it in there. Get out of the room.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
The room.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
No, you don't come stand in front of a microphone
and then say you're not going to talk. I I
have I know, I don't do it every time.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But okay, all right, very good. So there's your answer.
I don't even care much like Aaron with your responses.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Which do you recognize him without such harsh lighting?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, he still looks like Josh. I don't know if
I would you would recognize him?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Well, if he was sitting in that same studio, I
probably think, who's that guy that looks like Josh? Like Josh, he.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Hasn't lost that much weight. No, I mean, don't get
me wrong, he's lost thirty pounds. That's a lot of weight. Wow,
and he's still working on it. But the but yes, you.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Would not you would know it's him. Okay, yeah, no,
he looks good. He's horrible on a microphone, but he
looks good. But we'll not answer that. How about you
say I'm not coming in next time.
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