December 4, 2025 • 37 mins
This week on Black on Black Cinema, the crew returns to announce the next film to be reviewed, "On Becoming a Guinea Fowl." The film starts on an empty road in the middle of the night, where Shula stumbles across the body of her uncle. As funeral proceedings begin around them, she and her cousins bring to light the buried secrets of their middle-class Zambian family. The random topic of the week is all about Juelz Santana's comments on kids not needing to know how to read in the modern era and that it is somehow more important to know how to start a business instead. The host discuss the levels of anti-intellectualism that is within these ideas and why we as a community need to push back on them hard.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know I did man a lesson about the village
right now, gon't find the last down before I make change.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And let's reputa on it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello, Welcome to a brand new preview episode for Black
of Black Cinema.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm your host, Jay. I'm here with my co host
Micah Hey and Terrence. What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, guys, We're back. Tiara's out this week. H
This is a preview for episode ninety one on Becoming
a Guinea Fowl. Uh. This you can watch on HBO
Max if you have that, so make sure you check
it out. The log line here is on an empty
road in the middle of the night, Shula stumbles across
the body of her uncle. As funeral proceedings begin around them.
(00:55):
She and her cousins bring to light the buried secrets
of a middle class Zambia family. Look, this is on
a lot of a lot of lists for one of
the best movies of last year, so make sure you
check that out again. It's called on Becoming a Guinea
Fowl on HBO Max for streaming, or you could like
rent it on Amazon or something like that, or go
(01:15):
buy it. So the random topic this week is about
this happened a couple of days ago, but we've been off.
Joelle Santana said something that was certainly interesting is the
best way I could describe it. So let's play the
clip and then uh, we'll come back and.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Talk about it. Something here we go.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
We gotta start teaching our kids though, just just is
that just financial wealth and literacy and all that that
ship early because by the time they get to ninth grade,
they should be just learning how to start businesses and
and how how to how to, but they everybody needed
to learn to know how to read. I ain't gonna
say that. I say that.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I say that respectfully.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I'm not saying that in a way to be literally
because you're not supposed to be literate, but you can.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Or math math ma.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
If I think you can get a you can listen
to a book on YouTube. You can still obtain the
information and you don't have to know how to read
reading an understanding. I believe common sense is better than everything.
I'm a common sense nigga. I'd rather have zero booksmarts
and common sense. Be able to read the room, be
able to read life, be able to read people. I
try to understand people, understanding what I'm saying, like, nowadays,
(02:39):
you can listen to a book. I just listened to
the forty eight loads of Power not to contract.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Don't listen to them.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
They got they got apps.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You could put it in and to read it to you.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Are you crazy? It probably will, ay, I will.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now. That's what I'm saying is that's how freaking you.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Sold to you. And I'm not saying that in a
bad way, like you don't need to be able to read? Okay,
what I had not seen the entirety of that clip
yelling that Floyd Mayweather can't read is not a flex Okay,
that's that's not a winning argument to me. What are
(03:25):
we doing. It's twenty twenty five and we're telling kids
that it's not important to know how to read. It's
or it's less important to know how to read than
it is to start a business. And somehow there is
an argument between what's more important knowing math by the way,
not pronounced, how it's spelled. I would just like to
(03:49):
point that out. I think with two apps here and
the difference between knowing math and knowing how to read,
I'm befuddled, Like.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know, because you know I'm not I'm not smart, right,
I'm not dumb, but I'm not smart, right, So I'm
gonna try to translate. Right, Yeah, what he's I think saying?
I agree with half of his statement, right, Like we
as a community need to.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Learn how to be financially literate. Sure, and you know
right that's.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Not new, but we still need to hear it a
little bit saying forever right, right.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So we need we do.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
We do need to be aware of how money works. Right,
And that sounds silly. I know how money worked, four nigga,
I know how money worked.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
But you know, we we need to know how to.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But we do need to know how rich people become
rich and how to business is maybe not at fourteen,
you should be, but you know that's that should be
something that that is it should be, right. There's a
reason why it's not taught in like public schools, right
(05:23):
because they don't want it should be. But it's not
for a reason.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Right, that's why it's not taught.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yes, so so yes, I agree with that. But you know,
maybe he was putting his foot in his mouth when
he said, no, you ain't know how to read, that's
not important. Yeah, reading is kind of important, guys. It's
(05:54):
it's the first one reading, writing, arithmetic literally is the
last one.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Right, Wow, Terrence here.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
First of all, like a bunch of people have already
said this, Like I know we have been we're on
a podcast right now, we've been, but we've been doing
it for like fourteen years. Yeah, I don't know who
the fuck these niggas are the No Funny Shit podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Never heard of them. Where do they get these sets from?
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't very funny.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Do all.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Santana's a rapper. And I say that.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
In the sense that, like rappers aren't stupid, like somebody's
new niggas, somebody these new rappers. I don't know what
the fuck they been talking about. But like, you have
to know words, right, and it's kind of have to
know what words mean. It's if you're a good one,
you're pretty fucking smart, which means you know how to read,
you know how to read, and you know how to write.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So for him to.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Say some stupid shit like that to kids or whoever
the fuck listens to this podcast saying we need financial
literacy no shit, But then you say, I don't need
to know how to read nigga. What So if you're
a hip hop artist and you're not independent and you
get a contract, you're gonna be like, hold up, let
me get my phone real quick. What's the phone gonna
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do for you? Let me go ahead and download this
contract on my phone so it can read it back
to me. Or if you get like a financial advisor
and you don't know how to read, that nigga might
fuck you over. That has happened many a time and again,
if I'm not mistaken, didn't Kareem Abdul Jabbar suit his
financial advisor a few years.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Ago but like twenty million dollars because he fucked them over? Yeah?
I believe that's true. And Kareema do Jabos pretty goddamn smart.
He supers. We wouldn't tell people how to read.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
He wouldn't tell people that you don't need to know
how to read. TLC got fucked over with that. Got
they know how to read? But like this shit happens
to people. What happens when you want to open the
business and you go to a fucking bank and they
give you a contract, if they even even if if
they give you a loan, right you who's going to
read it. Can you download it so I could reach something?
(08:15):
I have my phone read it for me, Like, no,
it's just you can't be the fucking stupid. Yeah, it's
like that's just defensive math. It's just numbers like math
fifty thousand dollars, but that's all I need math?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yo, what do you do? Okay?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Cool?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Like it's it's but I don't understand. Again, he keeps saying,
you can have something read it for Like, I can
read very well, but it's hard for me to retain
what I've read. That's why you listen to audio books.
I can read the book, but it's just hard for
me to retain the ship. But why are people I
(08:54):
don't understand nowadays? We again, I keep I've said this
a lot. I don't know if I've set it on
the podcast. But we have the strongest, like some of
the strongest fucking computers in our in our fucking pockets
at any given time, twenty four hours a day. It
can do whatever the fuck we wanted to do. But
it's made us so fucking stupid because we don't use
(09:15):
it the way like the Internet was initially intended to
be used, right, and we just we just use it
for silly shit. I mean, I use it fora scilly
shit too, But like at the same time we're here
right Like, I'm like, I'll if I'm doing something, I'll
be I'll be reading an order, I'll be listening to
an audiobook, I'll be listening to like a fucking video
essay or just reading an article or something like that
(09:37):
when I'm not looking at the silly shit. A lot
of people don't do that, and I don't understand why
people want to be dumb. Kind of like a political climate,
people just don't pay attention to anything. It's really frustrating
to hear people say stupid shit and they have a
giant platform for it. That's what pisses me off the most,
Like you're on a bat platform or I don't know
if this platform is that big, but it's just it's irritating.
(09:57):
It irritates my soul that people just want to be dumb.
And that's pretty much.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I got a theory. My theory is.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
People, it's it's it's the rubber band effect right in
that Oh Obama was president and he's black, Let's get
the worst white person ever to be president, right as
just like some some Mario Kart style rubber banding, right,
and and in this climate that we're in, you know,
(10:37):
And and that's why I was trying to give a
bit of a measured response, because people who are not dumb,
people who consider themselves to be well read, some of
them come off intentionally or not as sanctimonious and and
(11:05):
and people and people don't and some people don't like that, right.
But at the same time, right, like, yo, you can't
just walk around being dumb.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Uh, you know, you gotta learn a few words that
might be tricky to you. Right, everybody, Look, look, everybody Hill.
Everybody got on Mark Lamont because look, Mark Lamont Hill
is a very he's a doctor, doctor Mark Lamont Hill. Right,
he's a he's a doctor, and he's very smart. But
(11:39):
he can be a bridge between you know, he can
have he can he can get you. A man who
can do both, right.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
If your code switch in his own community.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
He can talk to the neggas and he can talk
to the intellectuals.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But for but for some But when when when people
who are not that bright, you know, they they feel insecure.
It's it's a combination of of everything. Right, People who
are not like book learned right, like they feel insecure
about it. People who are well learned sometimes they hold
(12:20):
it over people and it's you know, it's it can be.
I don't know, man, I don't know. I don't, I don't,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I love me, allow me to give it.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Let me stand before proceed before you go, Like like,
I like what you before you go. I like what
you said because I was watching an episode. There was
an episode of All In with Chris Hayes and Chris Hayes,
I'd be like, all right, nigga, we know you're smart,
we know you read books.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You'd be using words I don't like.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I don't know what the fun that is this from
the moment, Yeah, I did said.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
He was. He was talking about New York and he
was like, what did he say?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
He said, like new York is such as suey generous, Suet, generous,
sue generous place, and mom don He was like, the
funk does that mean? Essentially, he was like, oh, it means,
it means unique, but he didn't know what it meant,
and he asked him, right, it's like if if if
someone that didn't know what it meant, and they just
and someone some other people would be like yeah and
(13:29):
just let him say it without asking him what the meant, yeah,
and try like dummy right, like if it was Trump,
he was like exactly, but he was like.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I invented that. That means us. But yeah, dumb people
don't want to learn.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
They would have just act like they knew and continued, right,
but it's but he was like, I don't know what
the fun that means.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
At the same time, you could just say it's one
of a yeah, unique nigga, a very place.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
That's what I would have been like, you could have
just said you what the if? I'm like the fuck bro.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Like, but it was I mean the time, but that
part of the interview really stuck out to me too,
because I was like, I've never heard a politician be
like I don't know what that word means. Like he
just stops the interview. He was like, listen, I gotta
tell you I didn't know what and he explained it,
and they like they laughed it off, and he was
like all right, cool, and then the interview just continued.
(14:34):
It didn't feel embarrassing whatever he didn't know what the
word meant. He's smart enough to be like, look, I
have vulnerabilities. I mean, mom, Donnie is a is A
is as brilliant of a political animal as I've seen
in a long time since Obama really and like just
like that move, I was just like, wow, I've just
never heard someone do that. This is incredible admitting that
they're they're just not perfect in politics. It's kind of
(14:56):
an amazing thing. But look, in all seriousness about this topic,
I guess what pisses me off about it? And you know, like, look,
you have whatever education level you have, and clearly Juel
Santana has been, you know, a pretty successful rapper, right like,
so you know it's not like the guy is you know,
destitute and just be like, don't learn to read. It
(15:18):
worked out for me. And you know he's like, you know,
doesn't have a you know, a pot to pisson or
window to throw it out of. So he's doing well
for himself. But the problem is you're telling young people
this in in an ever increasing world where even a
high school education is not enough. That's dangerous. That's like
telling everybody, Hey, you just got to learn how to
(15:40):
dribble a basketball really well and you'll probably make it
or learn to be an actor or something like that.
There are very few people who make it in life
without these fundamental skills, reading being one of them. Okay,
you do know how to have you do need to
know how to read. And yes, you could use AI,
I guess, yes you could have your phone read it
(16:01):
back to you or whatever. But there are certain things
that you need to fundamentally have a grasp on in
case you don't have a phone, in case you don't
have a computer. What if somebody gives you like a
piece of paper and you're in the middle of the
fucking desert somewhere and you just can't read it, Like
that's insane. And now that sounds like a crazy thing.
(16:23):
But you know, like people lose power sometimes, right, like
the Internet goes down, Like you cannot just simply rely
only on technology to do everything. That's a very that's
a very it's a very dangerous precedent to suffer yourself,
especially for the entire generation.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Right honestly in a situation where in now, yeah, quite literally,
we're very fucking close to that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, and technology everything wait.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Wait much way too much. Like Like this is a
personal thing with me, trust me, crazy, my wife will like,
turn on the GPS. I'm like, you know where you're
going doing that, like because you're so used to using
it that then when you don't have it, you're like, oh,
where was it? I'm like, just drive there, use the
GPS when you're going somewhere that you've never been, right,
(17:11):
you know, like it helps you to increase your memory
and paying attention to where you're driving, right, Like that's
kind of how it works. Like people didn't have this
shit twenty years ago, like they didn't write, so.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
You just had to kind of remember shit.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So I so I don't like pushing that type of
bullshit to young people because I think that's really dangerous.
And on the other side, this is just fundamentally is
one of the dumbest fucking conversations I've ever heard. Which
one is more important?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Math? Reading?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
What's more important?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Washing your ass or your balls? Like both? Do balls?
Like you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Apparently a lot of niggas don't wah the ass, Well
you don't.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You don't touch the game from yourself or whatever, so
like make it super weird, but like you don't have to.
There is no making a choice and The question is,
why do you think that math is important because of money?
Like you got to be able to count the money. Well,
(18:15):
why don't you just take a picture with your phone
and be like, chatchipt how much money is this?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Why don't you, like you have a calculator on your phone?
Do you really need to know math? That's the same
argument that you're making. And when you say it like that,
it sounds fucking dumb, because it is like you should
know how to read, you should know at least the fundamentals.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Of math, Like you should know those things.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Wait till they find out they got letters in math.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Then you're that you're fucked, You're you are fucked. Wait
what is this?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I don't like promoting dumb shit uh to children. I
also am not a fan of anti intellectualism.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I am I I hate it. I hate it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And look, look, if those people over there want to
not learn ship and be dumb and just say any
kind of dumb shit, you let them have it, not
for us, Let them be dumb, not for go read
a book.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Learn.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
There's nothing wrong with There's nothing wrong with stuff, man,
There's there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
With It's literally never a bad thing. To know more information.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
There's nothing wrong with knowing stuff. There is something a
little bit wrong in throwing it in people's faces. Like
one of the one of the responsibilities, one of the
responsibilities of people that know stuff is that you gotta
you gotta try and help educate, especially people man like
you know, like that's that's that's some that's some weird.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Ship that we do, especially us as black people.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Whereas like I had it bad, so you gotta have
it bad and to get to I'm at Whereas that
makes a no I had it bad, I'm gonna teach
you how you cannot have it bad so you can
be better.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, Like that's that should always be. The goal is
to use yourself as a learning step stool, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
To be the shoulders that other be the shoulders that
other people can stand on. That man, exactly like Don
Clarence Thomas.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, get to the top and pull the latter up
and burn it like you building down.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, it's like get out of it.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Nobody's coming up here. So yeah, I mean I I
agree with that, Like, yeah, be the be the shoulders
that people can stand up. But the problem is there
is that level of because so few black people are
truly successful in the in the country, like we see
them like in entertainment and things like that. But that's
such a small percentage of black people that I feel
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like people don't want to, like they don't want to
give up the secrets, right they want to be in
this exclusive club or something like that. It's like you, you,
you don't benefit anybody by hoarding your knowledge like a
fucking you know, like a dragon over coins. Like it doesn't,
it doesn't help anybody. It only hurts people. Like if
you have this knowledge, give it out if you like, hey,
(21:21):
this is how I did it. Give out that information,
even if it even if it's like I learned to
read and that was really important and it really helped
give out that knowledge. Like even if it's even if
it's some basic.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Shit, you still got to tell me, not a socialism,
get out of here. But look I'm joking about, like
I'm not because like that's like, you know, the capitalistic
mentality that this country like beats into people like they
it's being extrapolated to you know, concepts like reading.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, you know, that's actually a very good point, actually
a very good point. Well, and it's capitalism is basically
crabs in a barrel like it is, you know what
I mean, Like that's what that philosophy is. Instead of
like we all help each other out, they're like, nah,
that nigga trying to get on to all the money.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yep, close the list.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
I want to make all the money and then I
want to see you struggle.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
That's not I want to see you struggle. But then
I need you to buy my stuff. Yeah, yeah, of
course that.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Don't make No, I'm overpricing right now. Because it's interesting
because like that whole like you want to you want
to be able to teach people ship, but sometimes people
are not, like really smart people aren't very good at
teaching people that are not as smart as it. And
I think that's the issue with Democrats, Like I brought
(22:52):
up the MSNBC thing, like all of those motherfuckers do
that ship. They just be using big words and like
if you a Republican from bump fuck nowhere, Like I
don't know what the fuck that means? Why you Why
are you talking down to me? If you if some
nigg in the street, and like I don't know what
to fuck that bitch means, Like what is it what
you were talking about speaking speak to when people speak
(23:14):
to what people can understand what you're actually saying.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And I mean even for like the.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
The fucking representatives like that, like, well, we know you're smart,
we know you all of you guys a fucking well,
not all Congress are smart, but like most of you
are smart. Most of you are very smart. I understand them, right,
what you're not getting your message out in a way
(23:41):
that people will understand. Republicans are very good at doing that, right,
You're very good at slogans where dumb people can understand
what they're saying, whether it benefits them or not. They
understand what they're saying. Democrats, that's one. Like Obama's a
great president, but that Nigga didn't really he wasn't really
(24:04):
good at like using words that everybody understood. He's like,
bring but we can all understand that ship, right he was.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I didn't go to Jack and Jill, Nigga. I didn't
go to Jack and Jill get the get the funk
out of here.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So yeah, and you and you have to learn. I
feel like he learned. He learned to do it better
in his second term, but that for he was like,
I'm like I mean they called him prophestorial for a reason.
It was like it's a fucking profound, like that's man.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Like so yeah, like I know we were talking about you,
but like sometimes you have to like you can be smart,
you have to know how to read, like we were saying,
please read. But at the same time, if you're someone
that is incredibly intelligent and there's someone that's trying to
learn how to read, or like if you're trying to
get your message across, don't talk down to people. I
(25:04):
do that because like I hate white people at times.
I'm arguing with white people a lot, and like they're
really dumb. A lot of domes people are really stupid,
and like at this point, I'm like radicalized, I'm a
become I'm up.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I would be a black panther at this point.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
If I was in the sixties, I would because I like,
I get it. They're getting on my fucking nerves. They're
really pissing me to fuck off. So I talked down
a lot. But like when I'm talking to people that
don't really do a lot of reading, like I can.
I can do that, like I can switch to I
can talk to anybody, and if I don't know what
the fuck something means, Like what what what word? It
(25:41):
was like a couple of months ago, I didn't know
what the hell of verised militude meant. And you said
that ship on an episode of The nerd a Pocalypse.
I was like, what the fuck does that mean? I
didn't know what it meant, but I asked the question
right and I got the answer because I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
My wife, Uh, we were living in were living in
this rich ass county.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I know what I am, but yeah, sometimess like we
have to like, don't listen to this nigga, learn how
to read it, like, please don't. Don't just any kids
is listening. Please learn how to read, please, like you
had to learn how to read to like download this
fucking podcast or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I just I yelled it into I just just downloaded.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I can't believe he said that dumb ship. And also,
if you're a smart person, please just dumb sh it
down for people, please.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Don't, yeah like like dumb dumb and help bring people
up to I don't exactly actually don't. I don't like
the idea of always coming down. I think you can,
like if you don't know something by the way ask
like that's this is a this is a good.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
People don't do that. A lot of people just do
not know how to ask.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Most people don't know how to admit that they don't
know something, which is fucking obnoxious.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, well it's it's just they get embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So it makes sense. I wouldn't call it dumbing down.
I would call it translating. Right, you got to translate
this concept to somebody who doesn't like when I have
to explain something technical from my job to people do
not like who are not subject matter experts. I use
analogies because like it's like, so say, for example, let's
(27:33):
do this right and that, Like you use examples to
try and translate to people so that they can kind
of get concepts. And it really like this conversation and
going through you know, watching my son learn how to read,
like it makes you appreciate teachers because you know, like
(27:57):
because I'm trying to do homework with my kid who
really into reading, but it's.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Not good in math. Right, I'm the opposite.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I'm a math and I'm just now getting back into
actual reading for pleasure. And when I'm trying to teach
him math it's like, nigga, you don't know, Like how
do you not know that? Like like six times eight
is forty eight at rhymes?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Nigga, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Like what is this?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Why do you why do you just play that episode
of The Cosby Show one times one is one?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Do that?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But yeah, like but but but seeing but seeing him
learn how to read and seeing him, you know, take
the idea the concept of this is a letter, this
is what it sounds like. This is another letter, This
is what that letter sounds like. Put those two together
and then you blend the sounds together and then that's
(28:58):
how you get like it's it's like damn like it's
it's it's inspiring and I don't know, it sounds kind
of weird, but like to see the human brain processing
in from it, taking information, processing it and x and
executing it, it just I don't know, man, it makes
me feel good.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, it's really funny, Terrence. You brought up Chris Hayes earlier.
He had tweeted he had tweeted this is years and
years ago where he was like, I guess his kid
was like about five or six years old son, and
he was like watching you know, he's like in between
all of these treats about politics and she goes watching
(29:38):
my son learn to read is one of the most
magical things I've ever seen. And like and I remember
reading that and I was like, oh, that's really it's
really adorable. And like now because MIKEA and I kids
are roughly the same age, and it is, you know,
like we have a globe at the house and my
daughter was like she got the globe and she's just
like she was spinning in around. She was like Oceania
(30:00):
and I was like, that is correct, Like what the fuck.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Was like.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Hey, hey, daddy, here's Papa New Guinea.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
What the fuck the Papa New Guinea is.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, and like even like what he said, like as
a as a as a parent, I mean, unfortunately some
parents don't know how to read themselves.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
But like as a parent.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I mean, in fairness, we don't know he may not
know how to read if at all, Like we didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, I was writing his rhymes.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
But anyway, like as he parented, threw like little pictures
like cash, oh, rectangles with dollar signs money, like like
like those two examples that you gave like as parents,
(31:05):
like why why would you deprive yourself of that?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Does not teach if you know, if you know how
to read.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
As a parent, I'm saying that and all of a sudden,
like my kid don't need to know how to read.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You just need to know how to count money. So why, yeah,
that's EPs what the what the hell are we doing? Right?
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Like that's insane to say that's like, that's insane to say.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Some shit like that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Yeah, Also you can you need to learn how to
start a business at twelve, but you don't need to
know how to read, all right, just.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Like like reading. They don't say that reading is fundamental
just because it looks cool on it like a as
a slogan. They say that because it allows you what,
by the way, once you can read, your ability to
think about things changes, right, Like you start to pick
up on like it unlocks more than just looking at
(32:03):
letters on a page or on a screen and being
able to put them together. It is a fundamental to
how your brain develops.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Right, So when you.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Don't have those things, those are just dark spots that
don't exist in your mind. So it's hard to build
on that with complex ideas. It's like, you learn addition
first for a reason. There's a reason they don't just
jump to long division in fucking first grade. You build
on that. So reading isn't just going. Chris Hayes was
(32:33):
writing a book that says, that's not the only part
that it gives you. Like, have you seen this woman
who is suing I forget which college because she wrote
a paper. She was supposed to write a paper and
she basically cited the Bible and they were like, the
Bible is not a fucking source that it is ridiculous.
(32:54):
Yeah and yeah, So like she wrote this paper and
parts of the paper have been put online. She writes
like she's in college. She writes like a person who
just learned to read six weeks ago. Because she doesn't.
She doesn't clearly read well. She doesn't write well. And
if you don't write well, it's hard to write college
(33:14):
level papers. Well, that's why you need reading. What the
fuck you is your kid only gonna do like wrapping
or like sports. It's a pretty limiting way to look
at your own kid. It's a pretty limited way to
look at black children in general, or all children in general.
How are you gonna have more black astronauts if they
can't read a fucking manual, Right, how the fuck are
(33:38):
you gonna have more black doctors if they can't read.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Jack, he says, right, doctor is not a business that
if you can't become an entrepreneur reading.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
That's true, that's true. I mean you can start a
hot can you start?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
You start a hot?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
That's you can start a hospital because that's a bit
like a for profit hospital, but you don't know how
to you don't have to know how.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
To read the hospital. Again, it's insane. It's insane tosation
like that.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
It's like, yo, we gotta keep we gotta teach our
kids how to be entrepreneurs. Spell that, nigga. I can't
even spell that ship.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Stop stalling.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And that.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Because because you brought it out ship, I sucked it up,
So now I have to spell it at rest.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I have to say it rest. See.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh that's how that's how bad it's got. Yeah, but yeah,
it's it. Don't don't push anti intellectualism at all, but
certainly not pushed that on young people. And even more
important than that, please don't push that on black young kids.
That's a terrible, terrible choice. What is more important reading
(35:01):
or math. The answer is both are important. Please learn
them both and don't don't don't be a dingus like
this is this is this is a bad This is
a bad.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
This is a very very bad.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
And once you learn how to once you learn how
to read, you can start.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
The alphabet positivity series. Ain't that right? Jay?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Good night, every been, good night everybody. I will say
here's what I will say. I will say this about whatever.
What was the name of their podcast that they were doing,
No funny, no funny ship. Look, the price of microphones
(35:46):
is way too low. Okay, like it is. The barrier
of entry is way too low. Uh that that means
never mind you, but the barry visory is way too low.
(36:10):
And uh look, sometimes you don't need to have podcast
mikes so that you don't have to sit next to
a person even virtually, like Micah, who's a real piece
of shit, like you just.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Don't have to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'm gonna I'm look, I'm gonna see you in a
couple of months, so I'm gonna remember that ship anyway.
That is it for us. We will be back next
week for episode two ninety one on becoming a guinea
fowl again. You can watch that on HBO Max and
we will see you guys next time. So yeah yeah
(36:44):
yeah yeah
I know I did man a lesson about the village
right now, gon't find the last down before I make change.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And let's reputa on it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello, Welcome to a brand new preview episode for Black
of Black Cinema.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm your host, Jay. I'm here with my co host
Micah Hey and Terrence. What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, guys, We're back. Tiara's out this week. H
This is a preview for episode ninety one on Becoming
a Guinea Fowl. Uh. This you can watch on HBO
Max if you have that, so make sure you check
it out. The log line here is on an empty
road in the middle of the night, Shula stumbles across
the body of her uncle. As funeral proceedings begin around them.
(00:55):
She and her cousins bring to light the buried secrets
of a middle class Zambia family. Look, this is on
a lot of a lot of lists for one of
the best movies of last year, so make sure you
check that out again. It's called on Becoming a Guinea
Fowl on HBO Max for streaming, or you could like
rent it on Amazon or something like that, or go
(01:15):
buy it. So the random topic this week is about
this happened a couple of days ago, but we've been off.
Joelle Santana said something that was certainly interesting is the
best way I could describe it. So let's play the
clip and then uh, we'll come back and.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Talk about it. Something here we go.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
We gotta start teaching our kids though, just just is
that just financial wealth and literacy and all that that
ship early because by the time they get to ninth grade,
they should be just learning how to start businesses and
and how how to how to, but they everybody needed
to learn to know how to read. I ain't gonna
say that. I say that.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I say that respectfully.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I'm not saying that in a way to be literally
because you're not supposed to be literate, but you can.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Or math math ma.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
If I think you can get a you can listen
to a book on YouTube. You can still obtain the
information and you don't have to know how to read
reading an understanding. I believe common sense is better than everything.
I'm a common sense nigga. I'd rather have zero booksmarts
and common sense. Be able to read the room, be
able to read life, be able to read people. I
try to understand people, understanding what I'm saying, like, nowadays,
(02:39):
you can listen to a book. I just listened to
the forty eight loads of Power not to contract.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Don't listen to them.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
They got they got apps.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You could put it in and to read it to you.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Are you crazy? It probably will, ay, I will.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now. That's what I'm saying is that's how freaking you.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Sold to you. And I'm not saying that in a
bad way, like you don't need to be able to read? Okay,
what I had not seen the entirety of that clip
yelling that Floyd Mayweather can't read is not a flex Okay,
that's that's not a winning argument to me. What are
(03:25):
we doing. It's twenty twenty five and we're telling kids
that it's not important to know how to read. It's
or it's less important to know how to read than
it is to start a business. And somehow there is
an argument between what's more important knowing math by the way,
not pronounced, how it's spelled. I would just like to
(03:49):
point that out. I think with two apps here and
the difference between knowing math and knowing how to read,
I'm befuddled, Like.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know, because you know I'm not I'm not smart, right,
I'm not dumb, but I'm not smart, right, So I'm
gonna try to translate. Right, Yeah, what he's I think saying?
I agree with half of his statement, right, Like we
as a community need to.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Learn how to be financially literate. Sure, and you know
right that's.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Not new, but we still need to hear it a
little bit saying forever right, right.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So we need we do.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
We do need to be aware of how money works. Right,
And that sounds silly. I know how money worked, four nigga,
I know how money worked.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
But you know, we we need to know how to.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But we do need to know how rich people become
rich and how to business is maybe not at fourteen,
you should be, but you know that's that should be
something that that is it should be, right. There's a
reason why it's not taught in like public schools, right
(05:23):
because they don't want it should be. But it's not
for a reason.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Right, that's why it's not taught.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yes, so so yes, I agree with that. But you know,
maybe he was putting his foot in his mouth when
he said, no, you ain't know how to read, that's
not important. Yeah, reading is kind of important, guys. It's
(05:54):
it's the first one reading, writing, arithmetic literally is the
last one.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Right, Wow, Terrence here.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
First of all, like a bunch of people have already
said this, Like I know we have been we're on
a podcast right now, we've been, but we've been doing
it for like fourteen years. Yeah, I don't know who
the fuck these niggas are the No Funny Shit podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Never heard of them. Where do they get these sets from?
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't very funny.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Do all.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Santana's a rapper. And I say that.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
In the sense that, like rappers aren't stupid, like somebody's
new niggas, somebody these new rappers. I don't know what
the fuck they been talking about. But like, you have
to know words, right, and it's kind of have to
know what words mean. It's if you're a good one,
you're pretty fucking smart, which means you know how to read,
you know how to read, and you know how to write.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So for him to.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Say some stupid shit like that to kids or whoever
the fuck listens to this podcast saying we need financial
literacy no shit, But then you say, I don't need
to know how to read nigga. What So if you're
a hip hop artist and you're not independent and you
get a contract, you're gonna be like, hold up, let
me get my phone real quick. What's the phone gonna
(07:20):
do for you? Let me go ahead and download this
contract on my phone so it can read it back
to me. Or if you get like a financial advisor
and you don't know how to read, that nigga might
fuck you over. That has happened many a time and again,
if I'm not mistaken, didn't Kareem Abdul Jabbar suit his
financial advisor a few years.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Ago but like twenty million dollars because he fucked them over? Yeah?
I believe that's true. And Kareema do Jabos pretty goddamn smart.
He supers. We wouldn't tell people how to read.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
He wouldn't tell people that you don't need to know
how to read. TLC got fucked over with that. Got
they know how to read? But like this shit happens
to people. What happens when you want to open the
business and you go to a fucking bank and they
give you a contract, if they even even if if
they give you a loan, right you who's going to
read it. Can you download it so I could reach something?
(08:15):
I have my phone read it for me, Like, no,
it's just you can't be the fucking stupid. Yeah, it's
like that's just defensive math. It's just numbers like math
fifty thousand dollars, but that's all I need math?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yo, what do you do? Okay?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Cool?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Like it's it's but I don't understand. Again, he keeps saying,
you can have something read it for Like, I can
read very well, but it's hard for me to retain
what I've read. That's why you listen to audio books.
I can read the book, but it's just hard for
me to retain the ship. But why are people I
(08:54):
don't understand nowadays? We again, I keep I've said this
a lot. I don't know if I've set it on
the podcast. But we have the strongest, like some of
the strongest fucking computers in our in our fucking pockets
at any given time, twenty four hours a day. It
can do whatever the fuck we wanted to do. But
it's made us so fucking stupid because we don't use
(09:15):
it the way like the Internet was initially intended to
be used, right, and we just we just use it
for silly shit. I mean, I use it fora scilly
shit too, But like at the same time we're here
right Like, I'm like, I'll if I'm doing something, I'll
be I'll be reading an order, I'll be listening to
an audiobook, I'll be listening to like a fucking video
essay or just reading an article or something like that
(09:37):
when I'm not looking at the silly shit. A lot
of people don't do that, and I don't understand why
people want to be dumb. Kind of like a political climate,
people just don't pay attention to anything. It's really frustrating
to hear people say stupid shit and they have a
giant platform for it. That's what pisses me off the most,
Like you're on a bat platform or I don't know
if this platform is that big, but it's just it's irritating.
(09:57):
It irritates my soul that people just want to be dumb.
And that's pretty much.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I got a theory. My theory is.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
People, it's it's it's the rubber band effect right in
that Oh Obama was president and he's black, Let's get
the worst white person ever to be president, right as
just like some some Mario Kart style rubber banding, right,
and and in this climate that we're in, you know,
(10:37):
And and that's why I was trying to give a
bit of a measured response, because people who are not dumb,
people who consider themselves to be well read, some of
them come off intentionally or not as sanctimonious and and
(11:05):
and people and people don't and some people don't like that, right.
But at the same time, right, like, yo, you can't
just walk around being dumb.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Uh, you know, you gotta learn a few words that
might be tricky to you. Right, everybody, Look, look, everybody Hill.
Everybody got on Mark Lamont because look, Mark Lamont Hill
is a very he's a doctor, doctor Mark Lamont Hill. Right,
he's a he's a doctor, and he's very smart. But
(11:39):
he can be a bridge between you know, he can
have he can he can get you. A man who
can do both, right.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
If your code switch in his own community.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
He can talk to the neggas and he can talk
to the intellectuals.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But for but for some But when when when people
who are not that bright, you know, they they feel insecure.
It's it's a combination of of everything. Right, People who
are not like book learned right, like they feel insecure
about it. People who are well learned sometimes they hold
(12:20):
it over people and it's you know, it's it can be.
I don't know, man, I don't know. I don't, I don't,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I love me, allow me to give it.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Let me stand before proceed before you go, Like like,
I like what you before you go. I like what
you said because I was watching an episode. There was
an episode of All In with Chris Hayes and Chris Hayes,
I'd be like, all right, nigga, we know you're smart,
we know you read books.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You'd be using words I don't like.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I don't know what the fun that is this from
the moment, Yeah, I did said.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
He was. He was talking about New York and he
was like, what did he say?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
He said, like new York is such as suey generous, Suet, generous,
sue generous place, and mom don He was like, the
funk does that mean? Essentially, he was like, oh, it means,
it means unique, but he didn't know what it meant,
and he asked him, right, it's like if if if
someone that didn't know what it meant, and they just
and someone some other people would be like yeah and
(13:29):
just let him say it without asking him what the meant, yeah,
and try like dummy right, like if it was Trump,
he was like exactly, but he was like.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I invented that. That means us. But yeah, dumb people
don't want to learn.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
They would have just act like they knew and continued, right,
but it's but he was like, I don't know what
the fun that means.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
At the same time, you could just say it's one
of a yeah, unique nigga, a very place.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
That's what I would have been like, you could have
just said you what the if? I'm like the fuck bro.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Like, but it was I mean the time, but that
part of the interview really stuck out to me too,
because I was like, I've never heard a politician be
like I don't know what that word means. Like he
just stops the interview. He was like, listen, I gotta
tell you I didn't know what and he explained it,
and they like they laughed it off, and he was
like all right, cool, and then the interview just continued.
(14:34):
It didn't feel embarrassing whatever he didn't know what the
word meant. He's smart enough to be like, look, I
have vulnerabilities. I mean, mom, Donnie is a is A
is as brilliant of a political animal as I've seen
in a long time since Obama really and like just
like that move, I was just like, wow, I've just
never heard someone do that. This is incredible admitting that
they're they're just not perfect in politics. It's kind of
(14:56):
an amazing thing. But look, in all seriousness about this topic,
I guess what pisses me off about it? And you know, like, look,
you have whatever education level you have, and clearly Juel
Santana has been, you know, a pretty successful rapper, right like,
so you know it's not like the guy is you know,
destitute and just be like, don't learn to read. It
(15:18):
worked out for me. And you know he's like, you know,
doesn't have a you know, a pot to pisson or
window to throw it out of. So he's doing well
for himself. But the problem is you're telling young people
this in in an ever increasing world where even a
high school education is not enough. That's dangerous. That's like
telling everybody, Hey, you just got to learn how to
(15:40):
dribble a basketball really well and you'll probably make it
or learn to be an actor or something like that.
There are very few people who make it in life
without these fundamental skills, reading being one of them. Okay,
you do know how to have you do need to
know how to read. And yes, you could use AI,
I guess, yes you could have your phone read it
(16:01):
back to you or whatever. But there are certain things
that you need to fundamentally have a grasp on in
case you don't have a phone, in case you don't
have a computer. What if somebody gives you like a
piece of paper and you're in the middle of the
fucking desert somewhere and you just can't read it, Like
that's insane. And now that sounds like a crazy thing.
(16:23):
But you know, like people lose power sometimes, right, like
the Internet goes down, Like you cannot just simply rely
only on technology to do everything. That's a very that's
a very it's a very dangerous precedent to suffer yourself,
especially for the entire generation.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Right honestly in a situation where in now, yeah, quite literally,
we're very fucking close to that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, and technology everything wait.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Wait much way too much. Like Like this is a
personal thing with me, trust me, crazy, my wife will like,
turn on the GPS. I'm like, you know where you're
going doing that, like because you're so used to using
it that then when you don't have it, you're like, oh,
where was it? I'm like, just drive there, use the
GPS when you're going somewhere that you've never been, right,
(17:11):
you know, like it helps you to increase your memory
and paying attention to where you're driving, right, Like that's
kind of how it works. Like people didn't have this
shit twenty years ago, like they didn't write, so.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
You just had to kind of remember shit.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So I so I don't like pushing that type of
bullshit to young people because I think that's really dangerous.
And on the other side, this is just fundamentally is
one of the dumbest fucking conversations I've ever heard. Which
one is more important?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Math? Reading?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
What's more important?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Washing your ass or your balls? Like both? Do balls?
Like you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Apparently a lot of niggas don't wah the ass, Well
you don't.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You don't touch the game from yourself or whatever, so
like make it super weird, but like you don't have to.
There is no making a choice and The question is,
why do you think that math is important because of money?
Like you got to be able to count the money. Well,
(18:15):
why don't you just take a picture with your phone
and be like, chatchipt how much money is this?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Why don't you, like you have a calculator on your phone?
Do you really need to know math? That's the same
argument that you're making. And when you say it like that,
it sounds fucking dumb, because it is like you should
know how to read, you should know at least the fundamentals.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Of math, Like you should know those things.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Wait till they find out they got letters in math.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Then you're that you're fucked, You're you are fucked. Wait
what is this?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I don't like promoting dumb shit uh to children. I
also am not a fan of anti intellectualism.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I am I I hate it. I hate it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And look, look, if those people over there want to
not learn ship and be dumb and just say any
kind of dumb shit, you let them have it, not
for us, Let them be dumb, not for go read
a book.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Learn.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
There's nothing wrong with There's nothing wrong with stuff, man,
There's there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
With It's literally never a bad thing. To know more information.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
There's nothing wrong with knowing stuff. There is something a
little bit wrong in throwing it in people's faces. Like
one of the one of the responsibilities, one of the
responsibilities of people that know stuff is that you gotta
you gotta try and help educate, especially people man like
you know, like that's that's that's some that's some weird.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Ship that we do, especially us as black people.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Whereas like I had it bad, so you gotta have
it bad and to get to I'm at Whereas that
makes a no I had it bad, I'm gonna teach
you how you cannot have it bad so you can
be better.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, Like that's that should always be. The goal is
to use yourself as a learning step stool, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
To be the shoulders that other be the shoulders that
other people can stand on. That man, exactly like Don
Clarence Thomas.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, get to the top and pull the latter up
and burn it like you building down.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, it's like get out of it.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Nobody's coming up here. So yeah, I mean I I
agree with that, Like, yeah, be the be the shoulders
that people can stand up. But the problem is there
is that level of because so few black people are
truly successful in the in the country, like we see
them like in entertainment and things like that. But that's
such a small percentage of black people that I feel
(20:59):
like people don't want to, like they don't want to
give up the secrets, right they want to be in
this exclusive club or something like that. It's like you, you,
you don't benefit anybody by hoarding your knowledge like a
fucking you know, like a dragon over coins. Like it doesn't,
it doesn't help anybody. It only hurts people. Like if
you have this knowledge, give it out if you like, hey,
(21:21):
this is how I did it. Give out that information,
even if it even if it's like I learned to
read and that was really important and it really helped
give out that knowledge. Like even if it's even if
it's some basic.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Shit, you still got to tell me, not a socialism,
get out of here. But look I'm joking about, like
I'm not because like that's like, you know, the capitalistic
mentality that this country like beats into people like they
it's being extrapolated to you know, concepts like reading.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, you know, that's actually a very good point, actually
a very good point. Well, and it's capitalism is basically
crabs in a barrel like it is, you know what
I mean, Like that's what that philosophy is. Instead of
like we all help each other out, they're like, nah,
that nigga trying to get on to all the money.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yep, close the list.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
I want to make all the money and then I
want to see you struggle.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
That's not I want to see you struggle. But then
I need you to buy my stuff. Yeah, yeah, of
course that.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Don't make No, I'm overpricing right now. Because it's interesting
because like that whole like you want to you want
to be able to teach people ship, but sometimes people
are not, like really smart people aren't very good at
teaching people that are not as smart as it. And
I think that's the issue with Democrats, Like I brought
(22:52):
up the MSNBC thing, like all of those motherfuckers do
that ship. They just be using big words and like
if you a Republican from bump fuck nowhere, Like I
don't know what the fuck that means? Why you Why
are you talking down to me? If you if some
nigg in the street, and like I don't know what
to fuck that bitch means, Like what is it what
you were talking about speaking speak to when people speak
(23:14):
to what people can understand what you're actually saying.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And I mean even for like the.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
The fucking representatives like that, like, well, we know you're smart,
we know you all of you guys a fucking well,
not all Congress are smart, but like most of you
are smart. Most of you are very smart. I understand them, right,
what you're not getting your message out in a way
(23:41):
that people will understand. Republicans are very good at doing that, right,
You're very good at slogans where dumb people can understand
what they're saying, whether it benefits them or not. They
understand what they're saying. Democrats, that's one. Like Obama's a
great president, but that Nigga didn't really he wasn't really
(24:04):
good at like using words that everybody understood. He's like,
bring but we can all understand that ship, right he was.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I didn't go to Jack and Jill, Nigga. I didn't
go to Jack and Jill get the get the funk
out of here.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So yeah, and you and you have to learn. I
feel like he learned. He learned to do it better
in his second term, but that for he was like,
I'm like I mean they called him prophestorial for a reason.
It was like it's a fucking profound, like that's man.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Like so yeah, like I know we were talking about you,
but like sometimes you have to like you can be smart,
you have to know how to read, like we were saying,
please read. But at the same time, if you're someone
that is incredibly intelligent and there's someone that's trying to
learn how to read, or like if you're trying to
get your message across, don't talk down to people. I
(25:04):
do that because like I hate white people at times.
I'm arguing with white people a lot, and like they're
really dumb. A lot of domes people are really stupid,
and like at this point, I'm like radicalized, I'm a
become I'm up.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I would be a black panther at this point.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
If I was in the sixties, I would because I like,
I get it. They're getting on my fucking nerves. They're
really pissing me to fuck off. So I talked down
a lot. But like when I'm talking to people that
don't really do a lot of reading, like I can.
I can do that, like I can switch to I
can talk to anybody, and if I don't know what
the fuck something means, Like what what what word? It
(25:41):
was like a couple of months ago, I didn't know
what the hell of verised militude meant. And you said
that ship on an episode of The nerd a Pocalypse.
I was like, what the fuck does that mean? I
didn't know what it meant, but I asked the question
right and I got the answer because I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
My wife, Uh, we were living in were living in
this rich ass county.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I know what I am, but yeah, sometimess like we
have to like, don't listen to this nigga, learn how
to read it, like, please don't. Don't just any kids
is listening. Please learn how to read, please, like you
had to learn how to read to like download this
fucking podcast or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I just I yelled it into I just just downloaded.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I can't believe he said that dumb ship. And also,
if you're a smart person, please just dumb sh it
down for people, please.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Don't, yeah like like dumb dumb and help bring people
up to I don't exactly actually don't. I don't like
the idea of always coming down. I think you can,
like if you don't know something by the way ask
like that's this is a this is a good.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
People don't do that. A lot of people just do
not know how to ask.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Most people don't know how to admit that they don't
know something, which is fucking obnoxious.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, well it's it's just they get embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So it makes sense. I wouldn't call it dumbing down.
I would call it translating. Right, you got to translate
this concept to somebody who doesn't like when I have
to explain something technical from my job to people do
not like who are not subject matter experts. I use
analogies because like it's like, so say, for example, let's
(27:33):
do this right and that, Like you use examples to
try and translate to people so that they can kind
of get concepts. And it really like this conversation and
going through you know, watching my son learn how to read,
like it makes you appreciate teachers because you know, like
(27:57):
because I'm trying to do homework with my kid who
really into reading, but it's.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Not good in math. Right, I'm the opposite.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I'm a math and I'm just now getting back into
actual reading for pleasure. And when I'm trying to teach
him math it's like, nigga, you don't know, Like how
do you not know that? Like like six times eight
is forty eight at rhymes?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Nigga, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Like what is this?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Why do you why do you just play that episode
of The Cosby Show one times one is one?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Do that?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But yeah, like but but but seeing but seeing him
learn how to read and seeing him, you know, take
the idea the concept of this is a letter, this
is what it sounds like. This is another letter, This
is what that letter sounds like. Put those two together
and then you blend the sounds together and then that's
(28:58):
how you get like it's it's like damn like it's
it's it's inspiring and I don't know, it sounds kind
of weird, but like to see the human brain processing
in from it, taking information, processing it and x and
executing it, it just I don't know, man, it makes
me feel good.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, it's really funny, Terrence. You brought up Chris Hayes earlier.
He had tweeted he had tweeted this is years and
years ago where he was like, I guess his kid
was like about five or six years old son, and
he was like watching you know, he's like in between
all of these treats about politics and she goes watching
(29:38):
my son learn to read is one of the most
magical things I've ever seen. And like and I remember
reading that and I was like, oh, that's really it's
really adorable. And like now because MIKEA and I kids
are roughly the same age, and it is, you know,
like we have a globe at the house and my
daughter was like she got the globe and she's just
like she was spinning in around. She was like Oceania
(30:00):
and I was like, that is correct, Like what the fuck.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Was like.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Hey, hey, daddy, here's Papa New Guinea.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
What the fuck the Papa New Guinea is.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, and like even like what he said, like as
a as a as a parent, I mean, unfortunately some
parents don't know how to read themselves.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
But like as a parent.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I mean, in fairness, we don't know he may not
know how to read if at all, Like we didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, I was writing his rhymes.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
But anyway, like as he parented, threw like little pictures
like cash, oh, rectangles with dollar signs money, like like
like those two examples that you gave like as parents,
(31:05):
like why why would you deprive yourself of that?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Does not teach if you know, if you know how
to read.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
As a parent, I'm saying that and all of a sudden,
like my kid don't need to know how to read.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You just need to know how to count money. So why, yeah,
that's EPs what the what the hell are we doing? Right?
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Like that's insane to say that's like, that's insane to say.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Some shit like that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Yeah, Also you can you need to learn how to
start a business at twelve, but you don't need to
know how to read, all right, just.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Like like reading. They don't say that reading is fundamental
just because it looks cool on it like a as
a slogan. They say that because it allows you what,
by the way, once you can read, your ability to
think about things changes, right, Like you start to pick
up on like it unlocks more than just looking at
(32:03):
letters on a page or on a screen and being
able to put them together. It is a fundamental to
how your brain develops.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Right, So when you.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Don't have those things, those are just dark spots that
don't exist in your mind. So it's hard to build
on that with complex ideas. It's like, you learn addition
first for a reason. There's a reason they don't just
jump to long division in fucking first grade. You build
on that. So reading isn't just going. Chris Hayes was
(32:33):
writing a book that says, that's not the only part
that it gives you. Like, have you seen this woman
who is suing I forget which college because she wrote
a paper. She was supposed to write a paper and
she basically cited the Bible and they were like, the
Bible is not a fucking source that it is ridiculous.
(32:54):
Yeah and yeah, So like she wrote this paper and
parts of the paper have been put online. She writes
like she's in college. She writes like a person who
just learned to read six weeks ago. Because she doesn't.
She doesn't clearly read well. She doesn't write well. And
if you don't write well, it's hard to write college
(33:14):
level papers. Well, that's why you need reading. What the
fuck you is your kid only gonna do like wrapping
or like sports. It's a pretty limiting way to look
at your own kid. It's a pretty limited way to
look at black children in general, or all children in general.
How are you gonna have more black astronauts if they
can't read a fucking manual, Right, how the fuck are
(33:38):
you gonna have more black doctors if they can't read.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Jack, he says, right, doctor is not a business that
if you can't become an entrepreneur reading.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
That's true, that's true. I mean you can start a
hot can you start?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
You start a hot?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
That's you can start a hospital because that's a bit
like a for profit hospital, but you don't know how
to you don't have to know how.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
To read the hospital. Again, it's insane. It's insane tosation
like that.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
It's like, yo, we gotta keep we gotta teach our
kids how to be entrepreneurs. Spell that, nigga. I can't
even spell that ship.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Stop stalling.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And that.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Because because you brought it out ship, I sucked it up,
So now I have to spell it at rest.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I have to say it rest. See.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh that's how that's how bad it's got. Yeah, but yeah,
it's it. Don't don't push anti intellectualism at all, but
certainly not pushed that on young people. And even more
important than that, please don't push that on black young kids.
That's a terrible, terrible choice. What is more important reading
(35:01):
or math. The answer is both are important. Please learn
them both and don't don't don't be a dingus like
this is this is this is a bad This is
a bad.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
This is a very very bad.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
And once you learn how to once you learn how
to read, you can start.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
The alphabet positivity series. Ain't that right? Jay?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Good night, every been, good night everybody. I will say
here's what I will say. I will say this about whatever.
What was the name of their podcast that they were doing,
No funny, no funny ship. Look, the price of microphones
(35:46):
is way too low. Okay, like it is. The barrier
of entry is way too low. Uh that that means
never mind you, but the barry visory is way too low.
(36:10):
And uh look, sometimes you don't need to have podcast
mikes so that you don't have to sit next to
a person even virtually, like Micah, who's a real piece
of shit, like you just.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Don't have to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'm gonna I'm look, I'm gonna see you in a
couple of months, so I'm gonna remember that ship anyway.
That is it for us. We will be back next
week for episode two ninety one on becoming a guinea
fowl again. You can watch that on HBO Max and
we will see you guys next time. So yeah yeah
(36:44):
yeah yeah
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