On Becoming A Guinea Fowl (REVIEW): Confronting Generational Abuse | Ep291

This week on Black on Black Cinema, the crew returns to discuss the 2024 dark comedy drama, "On Becoming a Guinea Fowl." The film follows Shula, who on an empty road in the middle of the night, stumbles across the body of her uncle. As funeral proceedings begin around them, she and her cousins bring to light the buried secrets of their middle-class Zambian family.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know I did less about the village right now,
go find the last down before me change.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Let's wrap it, chase on it, you know. Hello and
welcome to a brand new episode of Black and Black Cinema.
I'm your host, Jay, I'm here with my co host
and Micah. Hey. All right, guys, we are back. This
is episode two ninety one. Uh, the first episode of
twenty twenty six. This is a very long awaited episode,
as we were supposed to do it right at the
end of the year and then it got postponed a
couple of weeks, so uh, sorry about that. But Episode

(00:40):
two ninety one on Becoming a Guinea Fowl. This is
the twenty twenty four black comedy drama film Black as
in dark comedy. I didn't find this to be necessarily
hilarious or even like subtly funny outside of the beginning
feel minutes of this movie, and then it got super

(01:01):
fucking series the rest of the time, So I don't
know why it categorizes that. It seems odd to me.
The premise here is on an empty road in the
middle of the night, Shola stumbles upon the body of
her uncle a funeral. Proceedings begin around begin around them.
She and her cousins bring to light the buried secrets
of the middle class Zambian family. Look, you can watch

(01:24):
this on HBO, Max or Go or whatever the fuck
it's called now if you're inside the United States. So
check that out again on Becoming a guinea Fowl. So, michah,
I will go to you. What did you think of
this movie?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Those movies interesting? It's it's a short movie, but it's
it doesn't feel short because there's not No, it doesn't.
There's a lot of there's a lot of stuff going on.
There's there's a lot of nothing going.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
On in the movie.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
And by nothing, I don't I'm not talking about like
the important part of the of the plot. I think
it gets better when you the more you sit with
the movie. When when the central point of the movie
is kind of elaborated on, I think it gets really interesting.

(02:23):
And I I and and you know, towards the end,
I thought the ending was very interesting. It's it's interesting
to see how other cultures deal with things like grief
and and abuse and how we are similar but different

(02:47):
but similar right and but different?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, it's it's uh, it's an interesting movie. I'm glad
I watched it. I I probably won't watch it again.
I I don't know if I would recommend it to
most people. I was describing it to my wife and
she was just.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Like, Okay, I get it. I get it.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, but you know, just because one like, there's a
lot of there's a lot of meandering, but too you know,
there's there could be some like triggering things in this movie.
So you know, I would be careful who I would
recommend this to. But but it is a it is a.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well made movie.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
It's not funny, but I mean there were a couple
of parts where I laugh right like, but the part
that I laughed, I laughed because like its a is
a culture thing and and and you know, it's the
same but different. So yeah, yeah, it's a decent movie.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
It's a decent movie. The world. The world is much
smaller than we think it is. So my my thoughts
are relatively the same, which is there is a lot
the movie is the movie has a very heavy and
very important message, which well, you know, we're kind of
beating around the bush in the beginning here, but we'll
get to pretty quickly into a review. I think it's

(04:22):
shot fine, like competently or whatever. I think I want
to say that this is like the director's first first film,
I believe, No, no, no, she's.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, she she has a number of a number of
projects under her belt. Oh this is a feature film,
that's what it was. Yeah, her second feature and she's
got like a bunch of short films under her belt.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
So so yeah, look, I I like the movie because
I like it's message and sort of dealing with Hey,
you know, the topic at hand is very importan and
this is how people deal with it. Yeah, I mean
I think I missed some things just from a cultural perspective.
I'm not zambient, right like, so there's just going to

(05:09):
be And last time I checked, I don't think you
are either, But yeah, you never know. I mean, actually Ethiopian.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Narrow head, thin lips, black.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Chances are high. So I'm whatever the tribe of like
tiny people is. I assume I don't know, no, But
so I think there's probably some cultural things that that
I definitely have missed, like big swaths of this movie
where I'm just like that these kind of things passed
by me. And but that's that's with any foreign film obviously,

(05:49):
But Ultimately it gets its message across about dealing with
abuse and how that sort of permeates families and things
like that, and I think in an effective way. So yeah,
I enjoyed it. Yeah, it is hard to recommend movies
that are about sexual abuse as like, hey, you should
really check this out, Like I mean, yes, but I

(06:12):
can understand if you do not want to, so I don't.
I don't begrudge anybody for trying to, like maybe skip
this movie or something like that if you were unaware
of what the topic is. It is about sexual abews.
But yeah, overall, I enjoyed it, but it is it
meanders a lot, and that's again I think part of
it is like culturally, I don't know a lot of

(06:34):
these specific you know, like especially the grieving aspects of it.
I don't I'm not aware of them prior to seeing
the movie, and it's just there's less and when we
get into the interview or the review we'll talk about this,
there's less of like plot points going on as much
as there's just this overarching thing that we can talk about.
So I'm not even sure this episode is going to
be very long, but it's it's just kind of what

(06:58):
the messaging is. That is kind of why you came
to the dance, so to speak. So on becoming a
guinea fel. Yeah, it's a good movie, so I would
check it out. So the movie opens with Shula driving
in her car. She's clearly coming from a party. I assume.
I assume she just had dressed like this all the

(07:19):
time she's coming to.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
It was a Missy Elliott party.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, that's Solids like nineties into two thousands party. She's
dressed like Missy Elliott. Look, I'm not gonna lie. This
costume is fucking great, Like it's a get perfect uh
you know, with the like the trash bag type outfit
with the fucking Ryanstone shit on. It's just funny. And

(07:45):
I love how they don't make a point about it,
like she just has an acous he's driving home and
then something happens is like that's just what she was working.
There is just no argument about it at all. So
she's driving her car and she comes upon a body
like just on the side of the road, and so
she stops. She gets out, and she walks over and

(08:06):
it turns out it's her uncle Fred and dude is
dead and he dies right kind of right outside a brothel.
And what what makes this scene kind of funny is
she gets back in her car because she's like, oh shit,
you know it's my uncle Fred. She gets back in

(08:27):
the car, she calls her father, and you know, her
father is like, oh, you gotta stay with the body.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
You know, he's like, hey, First of all, he's like,
Fred can't die. Just put us the word on him.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
He'll get up. He's like, nah, no, no, Dad, he's dead.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Like he's laying there and his eyes are open. And
I was like, all right, look, just stay away from
the body. Daddy's on his way. By the way, can
you give me some money for a cab?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, just like all right. She's like already immediately annoyed
by that, right, And then of course, like he doesn't
he doesn't come like he did. He just like she
I think she called. She calls him back after a while,
and he's like, h like, just stay there when the

(09:14):
cops get there, Like he's just like not a worre,
but like I'm just clearly not does not give a
real fuck about uncle Fred much at all, which is hilarious.
So she stays. She stays there, locks herself in the
car and her cousin comes up, who is very drunk. Uh,

(09:37):
and Sansa and she's there and she's like, oh, ship,
like she kinda she kind of points out the fact
that like, yo, he's dead outside of a brothel, like
I bet he you know, basically, you know, got fucked
to death. And Sansa is just or excuse me, Shula

(09:58):
is not really communicative, right. She won't let and sunset
into the car. She just has the like the door
locked and just like on the phone, like she say,
won't respond. She's like banging on the glass talking ship.
She's clearly drunk as fuck.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
So look, let me tell you that. Let me let
me be crude for a second. I don't know what
it is about African women and Caribbean women when they
start dancing. Yeah, yeah, I see why they have a.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Bunch of kids. Man, Jesus goddamn Christ. Yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Was drunk off her ass and she got a portable
speaker and she is just dancing.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah that that feels very familiar down here. I gotta
tell you, why does everyone like I don't have headphones,
like no portable speaker all the time. Like okay, So look, man,
wherever the or wherever the weather is warm, people just
out there having good time. So eventually she does let her.

(11:08):
She she does let her into the car, like reluctantly
in the middle of the night, like even in mind,
it's like two in the morning and some shit. And
so she's like, all right, let's write a you know,
we're gonna write a rapport. But again, the cousin is
she is super fucking drunk, and so she's like, should
we cover up the body? I don't worry about that,

(11:30):
Like I'll give a fuck who cares, right, And so
they eventually wait, they wait for the cops to come
in the morning, and the cops come and like they
kind of deal with the body and and then she's
like they just kind of drive off. Like it's a
very weird sort of situation because nobody seems particularly concerned

(11:55):
that a dead body was laying on the ground for
like several hours. Like to me, I just thought that
was fucking odd. This is the part of that's like
the you can see the dark comedy aspects of it,
but like this is where it kind of ends for me.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Well, yeah, I mean, look I took this, oh my
first time watching I took this as you know, I'm
sure the cops see this stuff all the time, so
of course they're not concerned. And I took Schuler's kind
of non response as as one foreshadowing that, you know,

(12:32):
uncle Fred's piece of shit, right, because you know, most
people they see a their body, they might panic a
little bit. But I took her response or lack thereof,
as one that he's Uncle Fred's probably a piece of
shit and he probably did something. And two, you know,
this is just how she This is I would imagine

(12:55):
this is how one would feel if they're abused or
was you know, taken out without any kind of without
any kind of closure, right. And you know, I'm I'm
I'm super interested in the psyche of Shula throughout this

(13:19):
whole throughout this whole movie, because even her family later
on is like, you know, you don't look like somebody
that just saw a dead body, right, right, And no
one thinks to no one thinks to ask why. And
I wonder, Yeah, no one thinks to ask why? Is

(13:40):
it because is it because they all know? Or is
it because they don't care or.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I you know, that's that's the interesting part of this
movie is to me is Sula is the different family
member's reaction to this.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Right, and so okay, so let's get let's pull the
fucking the curtain back here, which is like the big reveal,
which is Uncle Fred has abused many women in this family.
He was just a sexually abusive person period. Yeah, he
probably got fucked to death in a brothel, but he

(14:26):
was also like impregnating like an eleven or twelve year
old at one point who he ended up marrying, who
gets treated like ship by the family. I'm like, she's
a child. You know, he abused in Santa. We find
out later on he never abused Shula, but certainly Sula

(14:54):
had I guess at least some inkling that maybe something
was going on and there could perhaps be some other
characters who were abused by him as well. I thought
he did.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I thought he did, and she just told her dad
that he didn't.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'd have to, I'd have to, I have to, I'd
have to rewatch it.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, it's maybe maybe. I mean, like, the whole point
of the ending is that she's supposed to be leveling
a warning, you're you're.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
No, you're right, he didn't he didn't, but but more
people knew about it than than and and she was like, hey,
if you knew about it, why didn't you say something?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Right, And and like that's the whole point, right, Like
this idea of knowing abuse is happening inside your family
or inside your circle whatever whatever that looks like, and
you know not you know, making a sort of a
clarion call, and me like, hey, what the fuck, Like,

(16:02):
we gotta protect people. We cannot allow this. Hey, that
guy runs a weird, creepy hotel and his friend has
an island. Maybe we shouldn't just hang out there and
not say anything. Nah, never mind, I'll just go back
and make my Transformers movies, you know, Like that would
be weird. That would be a weird thing for someone

(16:24):
to do, or a director to do. What are you doing, Michael?
So yeah, he was someone a victim named him. By
the way, if you're wondering why we yeah, we're not.
We're not just saying that like someone said that was
abused on that island. So yeah, I mean so that

(16:47):
brings Look, neither one of us are women, But this
doesn't mean that abuse doesn't happen to men as well, right, Hey,
what what are your thoughts. Let's let's talk about that
and we'll kind of we'll play this a little bit
different and we'll kind of jump back into the movie
and then you know, talk about this larger topic back
and forth. What are your thoughts on that? Like that
can't be an easy thing, especially as a woman, right,

(17:11):
And it's ridiculous for us to be saying this.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
But yeah, we had a woman on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I gotta work tonight, I gotta get money.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
I'm in traffic.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Apparently traffic is more important than abuse. Uh now I'm kidding,
but no, but I guess from our perspective, like what
that is like to know that women feel sort of
pushed down and kind of trapped in situations even in
their own family that they can't say anything, like it's
it's a bizarre toy.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
I mean, it happens. It happens to men also, but
very I would at a much lower rate.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Than it happens to women.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
And I well, as far as we know, right and
as far as we know right, you know, like maybe
it's you know, somebody just like named Will Smith in
an incident, So.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Now you gotta read the details on that he had
nothing to do with it.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
It was like, oh, well, I apologize to Will Smith.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I don't want to throw that out there if he's not,
if I ain't doing nothing wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Seems but anyway, go ahead. But yeah, I don't. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
I don't know what that's like. I can't imagine what
that would be like. And you know, everyone, you know,
there's a lot of discourse going on about there's a
lot of man versus woman discourse going on. For some reason,
at least, that's what my algorithm is feeding me. And

(18:49):
I don't know why, because I'm actively trying to like
train it to go to the more positive side, right
instead of the negative side.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Best of luck.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, but if I go to the positive side, it's like, oh,
you like this person, You like this Australian dude shitting
on these shitty guys.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Here's shitty guys, like what the fuck like no, no, no,
the other thing the other thing more red pilchet like
fuck like. But there's this there's this.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Man versus woman discourse going on, and and you know
how men are trying to like regress women back to
the fifties and and shit like that before and I yeah,
before yeah, before the fifties. Yeah, and I don't yeah,

(19:42):
like more like the twenties, and I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
One.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I think a rising tide raises all ships, right, Like,
you know, we kind of got to work together because like,
I ain't trying to do all the work. I'll do
a lot of it, but you know, at least, you know,
give me the alligator arms, like.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I'm trying to help help me.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I can't imagine living in a society like that. And
you know, it's weird, because yeah, I don't want to
shoot on this culture, especially you know, we're no better.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
But no, no we're not.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
We're not We're no better. But it just saddens me, man,
It saddens me that people have to go through this.
It saddens me that you should be able to at
the very least, you should be able to feel like
you can talk to somebody. And it's just the way
it is. Is not an excuse, not anymore. And I

(20:53):
don't know when this movie is supposed to take place,
but it came out in twenty twenty four, so I'm
going to assume it is contemporary and stuff like this happens,
and it's just sad to me. Yeah, for all the
for all of the you know, all these dudes who
are like, oh, well, men have to be the protector

(21:15):
and the provider and the women have to cater to
my every whim. You guys are protecting women, you know,
like you know, like if that's the weird deal that
you want to fucking make, then you got to do
your part. Right.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
But even the deal, even the deal is manipulative.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Right right right, because it'll be like, well, if someone
breaks into your house, you want me to protect you, right,
so you have to do the dishes and suck my
dick every night. That's the rule.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Like, what the fuck? Yeah, that's it seems like a
weird trade off. I mean, if you had game, you
wouldn't have to have an ultimat Okay, like I don't know,
like maybe treat them nice and maybe they want to anyway,
you don't have to. You don't have to be immortal danger.
But taking up low job it seems odd. What the fuck,

(22:04):
Like I'll kill a guy, but just like, just just
touch it, please, just dude, you're being very weird.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
So how many people blinking in your house versus how
many times you gotta wash the fucking dishes.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Right, like right, this guy, this guy's racing already there guys, Yeah,
it's working out well from like, well, nobody came to day,
but they might come tomorrow, so like get the scrubbing, like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Men are not fucking car insurance guys.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Like and that's a rip off to begin with. Okay,
you should get your money back at the end of
the year. Bullshit. So yeah, it's I am not I
am not a fan of the idea of like this
like this weird like regression of women. And look, I'm

(22:49):
there are many reasons. They're they're like the which are
the most obvious ones, which is like in twenty twenty five,
don't treat people like that, you know, tribuas equals and
shit like that, like that, that's that is the obvious thing.
But I have other reasons too. Do you know much
progress we have made? Women are like way more open,

(23:10):
way more like, Hey, I'm up for what you're up for.
Why are you trying to fuck this up? Hard? You
know how hard we worked in the nineties to get here.
We supported a Dina Howard's career. We were look, we
were trying to get that music out there make a difference,
and it did, And yeah, y'all want to suck it up.
Absolutely not, absolutely not. Yeah, you're not fucking this up

(23:34):
for them.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Spent the eighties looking at scrambled television trying to catch
a nipple, and then all of a sudden having the
fucking like trying to trying to going through the nineties
and trying to like, hey, women, do your thing. Yes
you want a rough neck nigga that can satisfy you,
but you know he's out there.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Is that mean? Right? And then a bunch of fucking
insults are like I think women should wear a burkas.
Shut the fuck down, get some game, you fucking loser. Now,
this is the skills issue. Look, neither one of us

(24:17):
are still out there, but like there, Look our friends
still are and I care about them. Don't do this, Okay,
So no, I look, I but I but in all serious,
I mean, like I am serious about that, Like, let
people be people like it's crazy, right, Oh, I can't
believe women have only fans. I can't believe you're complaining
about this. Who gives a fuck? Yeah, if I thought

(24:39):
people would pay me millions of dollars to look at
my dick, I would I wouldn't be doing this, okay, Like,
so good for them. I have zero problem with it.
Get your money. I'm paying for it like that, that's
just it. Because I don't play for porn. That's crazy.
But but good for them. But my thing is, I
don't understand wanting to limit this society, like only the

(25:03):
dumbest people want to live in a society where all
of the like all of the heavy lifting is thrown
upon you. I don't understand that, Like, what are you proven?
Half your niggas don't want to go to school anyway.
But you're like, well, you know you need a man
who makes one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Nigga, you
don't make fifty thousand dollars. What the fuck are you

(25:24):
talking about? Why are you supporting this plan? This is dumb.
Like I want to, I want to, I want to
be able to live this life and blah blah blah.
You know what I want. I want a partner who,
like me and my wife, are a power couple. There
are no power couples where one person is sitting in
a fuck at home doing nothing all day on either side, right,
That's not how it works. So yeah, I've never understood it,

(25:46):
like I just want to normally don't. But all that
being said, that leaks into this whole thing, which is
sexual abuse being seen as just like, hey, this is
just part of it. This is just a part of
the deal you made in this sort of patriarchal society
and you just got to deal with it. And the
women in this movie outside of Shula are just dealing

(26:10):
with it. And it's not because they're happy about it.
It's not because they think it's okay, but because their society,
at least in the movie. I'm not gonna speak to
Zambian society as a whole, like that's not fair. But
the society as it's as it's shown in the film,
is to keep your mouth shut and just go along

(26:31):
with it. Because boys will be boys, men will be
men sort of logic, right, which is dangerous. Right. Look,
I'm sure you don't believe in that bullshit because you
have two sons, I have a daughter. I damn sure
don't believe in it because like like that boys will
be boyshit. Uh, that should don't rock around here, like
because you're not gonna treat by get the fuck out.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Of here right, Like it doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
No, and and and so there is like it's it's
a really weird thing because it it's gonna sound like
I'm I'm kind of victim blaming and I don't mean to,
but they're there. There is an aspect of this that
is sort of internalized misogyny, right of Like some of

(27:17):
these women are like no, like you just like not,
don't say nothing because it will fuck up people's lives.
But like that's just the way it is, and like
that's how men are. Like, that's internalized misogyny. That's bad.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
That's a really and not only not only that, and
not only that, they like like the family Uncle Fred's
family blames Fred's wife for not right, who's a child
for not you know, uh, catering to his every but
you know they blame her for his death. Well, he

(27:50):
wouldn't step out if you were to do this right,
And that's sad to me, man, like, because I've.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Seen here sixteen years old.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
It's great, but I've seen I've seen but I've seen that.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I've seen that.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
I've seen that from like experience from people that are
in my family, right, Like they blame the wife for
the man doing something out of pocket, and it's like nah, yo.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Like nigga, the forty fifth president would have been a
different person if this society that we live in didn't
do that to Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
People are not mad at Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton cheating
on her. You're how insane that is because at the
fundamental level, that is.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Why people hate her. Oh it's no, it's because that's
the reason. Dude. Look, I love Chris rock to death.
What was his joke? Hillary fucked up because she knew
she needed to suck his dick every day. That was
the joke because that's how people felt. That's not mad
a Chris Rocker making a joke. It's a funny joke,
but that's true. People legitimately felt that way is that

(29:00):
she fucked up. That's wild me, that's insane to me.
But by the way, that shows you, I mean, society
is still fucked up. American society so fucked up. But
it does show you how far we come. You think
they'd have the same feeling that Barack Obama cheated on Michelle.
I don't think so. I don't think so. They wouldn't
be like Michelle fucked up. No, they wouldn't maybe like, Nigga,

(29:21):
what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
They'd be pissed at him, right, well, some people would,
and then others would be like, oh, well she looked
like a man anyway. So he'd be like, because because
we can't, because we we just got a ship.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
On black women. Yeah, just have to apparently, Yeah, and
I don't her arms look better than yours? Like just relax,
like just calm down. God. Yeah, But that's the stupidest
fucking conspiracy theory. But it's because conservatives are idiots. But
like people still do that, They still blame women when

(29:58):
they're men cheat or you should have known that what
was I supposed to like hold his deck, like, don't
don't go over there, like they like, like, I will
never understand what people had, Like when people tell you, oh,
it's all these reasons, they hey, Hillary Clinton, understand that
at the fundamental reason that is at the that is
at the core of it. Like I'm not saying every person,
but America's hatred for that woman comes a lot off

(30:22):
of the fact that she got cheated on and won.
She didn't leave him, right, which I know. Yon Nigga's
a dang talking like the amount of the TV I've
watched the people being like, ah, I'll just be running
through hose and a woman's like, well he good to
me though, like what the fuck? Like they're judging her right,
which look, look, if I was her, I wouldn't have stayed.

(30:43):
I'd be like, I don't even funk who you are.
I'm out, Like You're not just gonna embarrass me in
front of the world. That's insane, right, But look, people
have their reasons for staying, and you know, like it
is what it is. But at a court at the core,
people legitimately blamed her for what he did. And that's
fucked up, don't it is? It's absolutely nuts, Like, how
the fuck is that her fault? Again, it's a solid

(31:06):
Cris Rock joke, but it is fucked up. It is
a fucked up mindset. It just is so yeah, like
this idea of blaming Uncle Fred's wife or widow at
this point is crazy and like, again she's a child,
Like Shula goes to see her and realizes that she
was only like eleven or twelve years old when she

(31:29):
had her kids, like or excuse me when when Fred
and her got married? Right, Like that's nuts. Actually, No,
it might have been once you had the kids, so
she might have Actually, she might have been newly married
at like eleven or twelve years old, so which is gross.
It's pretty pretty disgusting. And I don't know how common

(31:52):
child marriage is and that part of the world. I've
not looked it up. I mean, I know child mayer
is still exists in the United States in certain states.
That's a little weird. And you can guess which party
keeps defending that every time they try to overturn those laws.
I'll give you a wonder. Yes, fucking weird. But what

(32:13):
if they're in love. He's thirty two when she's sixteen. Nigga,
get the fuck out of here. What the fuck out here?
God damn it. This country so fucked it's like just
needs to be washed clean from the earth. I swear
to God, just send a meteor to certain parts of
it and just let's just start over. So yeah, I am.

(32:38):
I am baffled by that. Like her family, shoeless family
is also pretty pissed at her, Like when she's when
she like washes her body, and again, this is a
cultural thing. She's not supposed to bathe. I guess during
the funeral or the run up to the funeral. I

(32:59):
don't know what the reason and is. I mean, again,
that's a cultural thing. I don't I don't have any
like issues with it, Like it's just cultural. White people
don't wash their legs, so you know, cultural. You guys
know it's weird. But I think Shula deciding to bathe
wasn't that she just forgot. I think she just kind
of was like, again, it's the lack of respect for

(33:22):
this guy, So why should I do these traditional things,
like kind of fuck him? Right? Did you to get
that or what were your thought to have?

Speaker 3 (33:32):
I thought that, you know, Shula, as soon as she
found out, she seems too fruit right, like yeah, and
and she doesn't And you know, younger people tend to
not follow traditions anyway, right, Like we're becoming more secular
and as a society, and you know, we we don't

(33:55):
necessarily follow traditions like older folks do. But yeah, I
figured she was just like she's just like whatever, yo, Like,
at best she's nonplused, and at worst she is. It
is a subtle act of defiance, not like yeah, on

(34:18):
one hand or the other hand, Right, the two extremes
and you know, I think we're supposed to. I think
we are supposed to because we don't necessarily know why
she is acting this way. I think we are supposed
to think that she is in shock. But I've seen
this happened before, and I you know, I immediately was like, well,

(34:44):
that guy did something to her, or that guy did
she she knows something about that guy. That guy is
not a good guy.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
So when you're saying you've seen this before, do you
want to know? I don't. I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
I don't wanna really elaborate it, but I've you know how,
you know how The same as saying, like, you know,
if if a woman you know has been abused and
if she's never told you, you're probably the one that
acbused her, or she h, she don't trust you, Like yeah, yeah,

(35:20):
I'm I'm trustworthy.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah no, that's sair, that's sir. Yeah. No, Like guys
are like, I don't know, No, I don't know any
women that have have been abused. I'm like, yeah, nigga,
that's because you're not if you don't know. Sadly, I
know way more than I than I wish I did,
you know what I mean It's like I I like

(35:42):
when you start, like, as you get older, you're like,
how common? Is it really fucking common? Man? Really common?
It's really common because you know, as old black folks say,
because niggas are common, okay, like like common action. So
it's like, I just I don't care, man, just hits

(36:04):
it possible, just leave people alone? Like is it possible?
I guess not. So Yeah, there's more tradition. There's a
lot of wailing in this movie, which I'm not. I'm
not a high pitched noise person. I got a little
touch of miss aphonia. It bothers a shot at me.
I'm like, like, I get it. We're all very sad.

(36:25):
Could you please stop wailing it starking my fucking nerves?
But look, I get it. So we we get a
scene of Shula and in Sansa again, and Sons is
drunk because girl got Losha going on good, good and bad,

(36:49):
and so they're walking and and and Sons is like, yeah,
you know, like uncle Fred trying to like trying to
abuse me. You know, it was like trying to like
try make something happen. And you know, then he undressed
and I saw how small his dick was, so I
laughed at him and then I hit him, like knocked
him out so he couldn't do anything. Uh. She refers

(37:11):
to uh his dick as looking like three fallen heroes,
which I thought was oh she said, quote, there's no
occupants in his trowsers? God man, Yeah, look got look
you gotta she said, who who is here to rape you?

(37:33):
Like get the funk out of it? And so yeah,
So she basically is like, look, he tried, but uh,
I kind of laughed it off and then I hit
him and like, nah, she didn't didn't didn't happen. They go,
see what is it? Uh, buppy, I don't know, Boope?

(37:58):
Who is what? Their cousin? I believe? And she's odeed
and like she she's pretty out of it after overdosing
on drugs. They go get Boo pay and take her
to to the hospital. Shula finds on Boopay's phone a

(38:19):
video where Boopay admits that Fred abused her and that's
why she's or was like actively abusing her and that's
why she tried to kill herself basically with drugs, and
so she does she does like they eventually do. Like

(38:42):
she she eventually gets out of the hospital and does
not die of an overdose. But more on that later.
Sula goes back to the house, lays down with all
these grieving women, goes to sleep. It's actually, it's a
very interesting scene. It looks very similar to me to

(39:03):
like the scenes in Plort of Us when they're all
laying down together. That was like the first thing I
It was like the first thing I thought of. So
then you know, moving on from there, like we start
to find out and sounds of was lying. Actually Fred

(39:23):
did abuse her right, Like she was just trying to,
like for comedy's sake or you know, to you know,
have a level of like levity in the situation. She
was like making fun of him, but like he did
I don't want to say successfully, but he was able to,
you know, kind of pin her down and abuse her
and maybe even more than once. It's sad. I mean

(39:47):
it's sad for obvious reasons, but the way in which
she feels like she has to sort of laugh it off,
at least initially because she she's having a hard time
kind of dealing with it. Yeah, just tells you like
the sort of psychological damage those kind of things do. Yeah, look, man,

(40:11):
having someone violate your person your personal space in that
way and your body in that way, I have to
imagine is maybe one of the scariest things that can
happen to a human being, right because like who you
are as a person to be just have somebody just
kind of push past your barriers and just take advantage

(40:32):
of that. Yeah, I I I don't wish that on anyone.
I really don't. It's just just just horrible, like it
just does man or woman. Because I'm sure there's gonna
be some guys, but what about men. This is a
gender This is a gender neutral comment.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Nobody should like like do trip.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Me out man, Like, yeah, there's always that, which, by
the way, look in fairness, it's in society, and I'll
be quite honest, a lot of people laugh to ship
off like it.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Like, look, I'm not saying laugh it off, right. I
got to I got two boys and I need I
need them to grow up to be uh, well adjusted men.
But you know, I'm a little bit of a I'm
a little bit of a misogynist and that I don't
think that I don't think that my boys should be

(41:30):
I look, I was brought up. My father told me look,
it's okay to cry, but don't cry for other people.
And you know, if you've got to go somewhere, you
go in a room, you you you get your emotions
out and then you come back out because you know,

(41:50):
men have to men have to be Men have to
be present and and and available, and they can't know
when when when a when you see a man panic,
everybody starts to panic, right like if you see your
dad panic, you you start to panic and and and

(42:16):
you gotta be the person you gotta I was told
that I have to be the person that has to
kind of has to kind of make sure that the
ship don't fall apart. And that's not to say that
women can't lead. It's not to say that women are
incapable of doing things. I'm saying, nobody wants to do nothing.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Niggah.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
You gotta you gotta, you gotta, you gotta do, you
gotta contribute, you gotta do something. You gotta There's this
there's this couple that occasionally pops up on my timeline.
They're a very cute couple. Uh this this, this, this
this black couple. They make like little skits right where
where the dude is wearing a hoodie and his wife

(43:03):
wants it and he's like, no, this is my hoodie,
and and and all of a sudden the camera cuts
and she's wearing it.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
They're a very adorable couple. They did this one skit
right where they're both walking. He's walking into a mall
or whatever, and his inner monologue is like, Okay, exits
are here, right, uh oh, that looks weird. Got to
keep an eye on that, right. He's surveying the area right,
like just to kind of like because it's just what

(43:31):
you do when you walk into an area. You don't
walk in there, you know. And his wife is like
her her inner monologue is like do do do do
do do do do do do do do do because
like because she feels safe, right, Like that's the whole
point of the of the skit, right, And that's that's
what you're supposed to be as a man. You're supposed
to be able to you're supposed to have everybody around

(43:52):
you should feel safe around you, And a lot of
these dudes aren't making people feel.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Uh yeah, well I would. I would definitely agree with
that part. Yeah, I mean I'm not you know, I
don't think you're your philosophy necessarily or you're how you're
raised is like wrong, Like I I I don't. I
don't necessarily share the exact like viewpoint. I I think
if you if you want to cry, I cry, Like
I think I think that's that's fine. I mean, like

(44:24):
you just you're not a man anymore. No, I'm kidding.
I'm kidding that it is what it is, bro like
take your man card or whatever dumb ship people say
on the internet. No, I think it's fine. I like
my thing is when it comes to that sort of thing,

(44:44):
if you're gonna cry, it better be legitimate, right, Like now,
if you're a little kid, like kids crying, if you're
a child, literally they cry over spilled milk. Okay, Like,
but my daughter, my daughter was nine seconds away from
some fucking tea because they didn't have a chocolate cone
at the ice cream plates. Instead they just had the

(45:05):
regular cones. And I was like, you need to calm
fuck down, Like it's not that serious. I was like,
the ice cream is why you came to the show.
That's just a mode of conveyance. Okay, Like it's not
that fucking serious.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Right, My son, my youngest son, if my oldest son
starts crying for some reason, My youngest son will start.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Crying, yeah, right, like it's just ages, Like it's like
sneezing from them, right or yawning. So yeah. My thing
is like it needs to be legit. If you're a kid,
I mean everything is legit to you. Right, there are
all these are all reasons to be that upset. But
like as an adult, I think if it's legit, it's legit,

(45:45):
and it is what it is my me myself personally,
I find myself crying more now than I ever have.
I went through what could only be described as like
a near millennia shutting a single tear, which is like bizarre,
like feelings were in a box seven miles down the

(46:07):
road for me at all times. But I find that
since I have a kid, I cry more and it's
not like sadness. It's like nostalgia cry, like tearing up
and like I'm not like like I'm not like blubbering
type of shit, but like nostalgia tearing up or like
happiness tearing up like that, that's that's like happy cries.

(46:29):
Like look like as a parent, as the most like
certifiable bitch made happy to be bitch. May thing you
can do. I got no pride. Look that's a thug tear.
As far as I'm concerned. My daughter, who is very
very like ironically is like the Tasmanian devil, like spinning
around like one hundred miles an hour. You've met her.

(46:53):
But she's also she also gets really nervous, like in
front of crowds and shit, as she's gotten older, and
so she she doesn't really like a lot of attention
on her, which is ironic considering who her parents are.
And I mean it's true, it's like who are you?

(47:13):
Who raised you? My God? But so she doesn't she
doesn't like that. And like she had a school assembly
type of thing and she did like what she needed
to do in the assembly, and she was like flawless.
You didn't get nervous or anything like that. Look, man,
I teared the funk up. I'm so proud of her,
like I was. I was just like I'm in the
front row, Like she doing really good. She's doing really good.

(47:34):
It's like like it is what it is like that,
but like I find more of that as I've gotten
older than sort of just like crying over like other things.
But I know, I do think it's okay. Like I mean,
I used to be more like nah, fuck that, Like
I don't do that shit, No I don't. No, I'm

(47:54):
saying I know your stance, which is like go in
the room, punch some drywall or whatever. Why now.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I didn't cry with it. That was just mad. I
didn't cry over that.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
God damn it. Oh yeah, I know, I understand, like
you're you're the privacy shit.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Granted, I'm not gonna like if I'm just like if
I'm out with my friends or something upsets you, that's
gonna be like start crying in front of like a
bunch of people like that. No fuck that, Like I'm
not gonna do that. No, bitch, like get out of here,
but toxic as hell. No, no, give me a beer.
And then you know it's like where are the women,

(48:35):
Like I don't know, Like so, no, I don't do that,
Like I wouldn't cry in front of people at work
or something like that. But yeah, I mean I I
certainly have cried in front of my wife or teared
up in front of my daughter, you know, like when
she did something I was like really proud of. But yeah,
I mean I think the privacy thing is okay too.
But like there is that idea from a lot some

(48:55):
people like never cry, push your feelings down to you
have a fucking heart attack at forty eight years old.
You're like, I don't believe that. That's crazy. Yeah, so
I know, be a full fledged human being the like
you know, as to paraphrase Randy Macho Man savage, I
believe that a real man has a whole swath of emotions,

(49:17):
not just anger, but also I've cried once and I'll
probably cry again, Like it's fine. Even Macho Man cries.
So yeah, I think I think it's okay. But yeah,
like all of the there there's Shula has like I
don't want to say, no emotion, but she's about a
stoic of a character in these kind of moments as

(49:40):
I can think of, like as far as ah as
far as a female character in a long time that
I've seen.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Yeah, and again I chucked that up to like trauma response.
Yeah right, she don't seem she didn't anybody walk anybody
driving home in that Missy Elliott garbage bag. I'll it
is not a is not a stoic person, That's true.
She wears sunglasses at night in a hot ass trash

(50:09):
bag like she'd probably get down right yea, And yeah,
I took I took her. I took her stoicism as
purely a a trauma response. Yeah, pretty wild.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
So so at a certain point, Sula wakes up, she's
she's having a she's having like a nightmare of like
water being everywhere. And my guess is that's just this
idea of like like a flooding, right, Like these emotions

(50:47):
and like this situation is becoming overwhelming, right, Like the
water is not up to her neck or anything, but
it is, it is is consuming the house, so to speak. Right,
So just in just in how they how they present us,
then we we get, you know, we get a scene

(51:09):
of Shula going to visit the the widow of uncle
Fred and uh their kids, and that girl's like mother
or grandmother who is like saying like, please, don't I
know you're a part of Fred's family to Shula like
sobbing and getting on her her hands and knees, like

(51:32):
please don't take the house from us because we don't
have a place to raise these kids. Because like Shula's
family wants to take their family house from them. And
all of their possessions basically since you know, the wife
didn't do her job, you know, so to speak. And

(51:54):
I think they have like three kids together or something
like that, which is just wild. I what do y'all do?
Like that?

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Well, you know, marriages, marriage is a transaction and I'm
only saying that, Like I'm only saying that like half jokingly, right, Like,
and and they, I guess Fred's family feels like, hey,

(52:25):
you didn't have a will.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
So.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
I'm taking all my ship back. I'm taking all this
this stuff belongs to us.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Don't know, man, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I you know, I guess for me, and maybe and
maybe this is fairly common in the black community in
the United States, And this is a big difference. Like
my mom was a single mom with a single mom,
and like women in my family are like the power brokers, right,
you know what I mean? Like it like it's the
exact opposite of of like this movie where these women

(53:04):
feel so disempowered in a lot of ways. I'm like, yeah,
I don't even understand where that comes from. Like, you know,
I've had right, it's hard for.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Me to it's hard for me to like it's hard
for me to like, I don't know, because like, yeah,
it's hard. It's hard for me to like rationale, right
because I've known too many women who want make more
money than men. Rights right upstairs, and.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I know too many. That's why you're not allowed to
cry in public. She's like get in that room, nigga,
and and yeah, I just I just know.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
I just know too many women as and like birds
of a fella flocked together all her friends, right, like
I I I know way too many of them that
are just they just got the ship together.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
So I just.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Don't one of them just recently got divorced. And you know,
she kept the house because she made the money. No
ass out of here, Like, oh can I stinkstusiologists?

Speaker 2 (54:17):
She's gonna be all right, damn she back on the market,
was up girl? How you knowing? Like thanks, yeah, no,
But I do have a hard time just personally. I
don't I've not experienced that, and I wonder if that
is more common, Like it's weird because like the United

(54:41):
States in and of itself is a very patriarchal society,
but I feel like black families are very matriarchal, right,
Like they make movies with like it's like big Mammy,
I'm on fire, right, Like big Mama is the glue
that kept that soul food family together. You know, it
ain't ain't know big like big Papa, big grand and
that type of shit, like he won that he did, right,

(55:04):
So it's it's just kind of interesting. I wonder if
that is, like I feel like black families are one
of two things. Either it is like I feel like
most Black families even if they even if it is
more patriarchal, like the women kind of pull the strings
in the family, Like I just I think I think
that's just more true. And I think it's, you know,

(55:26):
largely because slavery, black women had to keep you know,
they had to keep the structure of the families as
they could, right because their husbands were sold off or
things like that. That's not black men's fault, by the way,
I'm not saying it is. It's actually the exact opposite.
It's white people's fault, and white men very specifically his fault.

(55:47):
But they're white women in there too. But you know,
black women had to you know, had to have their
kids and their grandkids, they had to keep them so close.
And and I'm just wondering if because of that, like
we get a sort of an internally and like a

(56:07):
society of like black people that's completely flipped on its head, right,
versus the country in which we resided, right or Yeah,
So I just I find that curious. But like I mean,
look down here, women kind of still run the show
like they do they do, you know, like oh the man,

(56:27):
all right, it's okay, but.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
You see, and it's weird because like all these people
who all these dudes who are like you know, they
they don't want to They don't want to do all
that stuff like they want women to be like because
like a lot of that stuff is logistical, right, yeah,
like keeping things organized, like keeping a happy home or whatever.

(56:55):
Like they just want to they just want to throw
money at the problem, right like here here here, I'll
give you an allowance, and then you raise the kids,
cook my food, suck my dick, and keep my house clean.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Right, And I'll fight if I have to.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
And I'll fight a burglar if we have to, uh,
if he happens to get through our security system, and.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Which I'll pay for the top of the lockdown, right
like get out of here, yo, by the way, if
you talk about you gotta protect your family, but you're
not allowed to get a security system. You gotta have
a baseball bat and you gotta work out. That's that's it.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
That no lock doors, no lock doors, no doors, take
them off.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
You just gotta fight. What a sign that say, come
on in free ship like no you if you wanna,
If you want all the you want all these French benefits,
you gotta earn it. You gotta fight people off at
a fucking weekly basis, like get out of here. I'm
trying to get off easy. So yeah, I do think
I do think that's largely true, is that they want

(57:59):
a lot of guys at least, let me phrase this,
a lot of guys like this online red pill shit
because because I don't think that's representative of most men
at all. By now they say these people are allowed idiots.
They want a mom. They don't want a wife. They
want a mom. Oh wash my clothes, feed me, take

(58:20):
care of me or whatever. Yeah that's your mom, like
when you were a little kid, that's your mom. Like
come on, do better, get a get a get a
partner to treat you equally, or that you treat equally.
But yeah, so there's a scene of these women, is true,
in his family all kind of sitting around and they're

(58:40):
all being like, yeah, no, we we knew, like we
knew this was happening. We're sorry it happened to y'all
might happen to some of us, Like it is what
it is. We love y'all, Like, but we can't fuck
up the family, like we got to just kind of

(59:04):
bear the brunt of this ship, which to me, like
this has never happened in my family, but I've certainly
heard people say this, which I think is wild. Hey
go put some clothes on, you know, your uncle gonna
be here soon type of shit. And you're like, yeah, yeah, what,

(59:26):
Like I'm not saying you should be walking around with
jazz hanging out, but like the implication there is super weird,
you know what I mean. And we've all heard people
say that, And like, I've never heard that shit said
in my family because like, I was not raised around
a bunch of creeps. But people say that and they

(59:48):
think it's like totally normal shit to say, And I'm like,
have you thought about what you're saying? Have you thought
about how you're raising your kids? How about don't let
this nigga in your house.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
I mean, but like they are thinking about they are
thinking about what they're saying. They do hear what they're saying,
and that's what's fucked up, right, Like, don't let this
dude in your house?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Man, Yeah, you can't come, both like you can't like no,
but what stay over there? Stay over there. We'll see
you at family cookouts outside where I don't have to
talk to you. How about that? And even then don't
come to that either.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
I don't even want to see you. Then I don't
even want to see you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Then, yeah, somebody else can invite you. I don't have
the doubt to you. We see Shula, and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Let me know if you're coming, because I ain't coming.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I ain't going to be there. Right. We see Shula,
and in Santa they they see Fred's relatives or like
his widow or what have you. They're sleeping in an
abandoned or like an empty pool outside at a certain point,

(01:01:09):
just showing the level of poverty in this situation. And
then we see sort of the the culmination of things,
which is there's a TV show talking about the guinea fowl. Right,
so if you're wondering, why is this movie called on
Becoming a guinea Fowl. Guinea fowls make this loud, loud

(01:01:33):
noise to alarm other animals of predators, right like that
is the whole point of the film. And and so
like as like as the family is like praying and
all this other ship and they're like, the family is like,
we're gonna take this. We're gonna take the We're you know,

(01:01:56):
we're gonna take you know, her her possessions and take
them back to the family, you know, because you know Fred,
you know, Fred wasn't taking care of it anything else.
And the families are arguing and everything else. Shula and
the kids walk up with Insansa and with Bootpey, and

(01:02:16):
then she just starts making it, just starts making the
noise of the guinea fowl call right as she's like
kind of yelling, thus her saying, hey, I am warning
you that this person was a predator and maybe just
maybe there are other predators amongst you, right like to

(01:02:39):
these women, like as a warning to them, I feel like,
if your family allows that kind of abuse to happen,
or not just your family, but your circle, there are
likely more than one abuser in that circle. And I

(01:03:00):
do think even if it sucks up the friendships and
it sucks up family relationships, if you know that shit,
you know, some say some fuck that And look, that's
easy for me to say, and I'm sure you would agree,
it's super easy for us to say because we're not
in it right, like you just fuck your family up,
go ahead, but like you kind of have to, you

(01:03:22):
kind of have to. You do you do? Because if
you don't, you're allowing other people to be abused, right
like potentially for them to be abused, And that's that's
just fundamentally not okay. And you have to break that
cycle of violence, in that cycle of abuse.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Yeah, yeah, it has to stop somewhere. And like you said,
it's very easy for us at one as men too,
as people who are you know, where we are in
life to be like, why don't you just you know,
I don't want to be I don't want to come
off like that guy. Wantn't you just why didn't you

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just comply?

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Why didn't you just it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Like? I know, stuff like that is hard?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
What I I yeah, I I I would employ.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
People if you are in trouble, you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Youah please? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Yeah, it's the men in this family at the men
of this family at the I don't know, this is
just this is you know, I get a culture thing
at the end of the movie, but like the the
family court at the at the end of it is
just it's fascinating to me because you know, like, Okay,

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well we are gonna we will absolve you of you,
you know, neglecting your wifely duties if you pay us
a dowry of five thousand dollars and we get to
keep all your stuff and then your debt will be repaid.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
It just it's it's it's odd to me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
I mean, you know, it's no different than when people
like get divorced and they go to court here, right,
they just kind of they just.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Kind of do it without the without the you know,
legal system. It just it's interesting. Yeah, I'm not I'm
not a fan of the whole like marriage is all
about money and property. Thing that really bothers the shit
out of me. Look, I'm old school in that that way.

(01:05:47):
It should be like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
It should be like, well, technically, if you were old
school about it, you would be yeah, well okay, you're
not old school about it. You're romantic about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I know, super lame. I know, I know, I got it.
I'm not I'm not red pilled enough. It's supposed to
be about a person you care about. They're like, we
are you gonna cry about it in my room alone
as you do? So yeah, yeah, I'm not a fan

(01:06:18):
of that. I I hate when people refer to marriage
like that, like it's it just feels shitty to me
and lame. But that's why y'all nigga's are alone. The people
who say that are generally alone. And if they're not, like,
your marriage is about money and that's why my three
ex wives and I'm like, yeah, I know, yeah, I
get it, Like yah, because you you're worried about the

(01:06:39):
financial transit and by the way that goes both ways.
That's not just men who feel that way. Women also
feel that way. Some women do, some men do. I
don't know, stop doing that. Find a person you like,
not a person that you can financially benefit from in
one way or the other. It's super weird. But yeah,

(01:07:01):
I don't know, I don't I don't get it. I
think it's gross. I know I can just really as
shit bothers and shut out of me. But hey, man,
I'm glad. I'm out of it. I'm coming up on
fifteen years of marriage. So no, thanks, there you go, Yeah,
good luck to all that. Y'all go out there and

(01:07:22):
listen to niggas who had never been married before. How
you find a woman for ever? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Oh, I'm not right right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I'm listening to you for by my course for fifty
nine ninety nine, I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah, listen to this priest and how to satisfy your
wife You've never fucked somebody? How the hell you know?
Like listening to you for like out here, that's like me,
that's that's like signing up for a course by me
telling you what the atmosphere is like at six foot five?
How the fuck do I know? Like, how do I know?

(01:07:58):
I bought a step stool and this is how I know?
Like that's not enough of a reason, like get out
of here. That's not a reference, boy, No, that's the
people who have an experience, like come on, man, that's
crazy talk. All right, that's it for us. This episode
two ninety one a little bit less conventional than our
other episodes, but we will be back next week for

(01:08:19):
preview episode for episode to ninety two we'll see you guys,
next time, see you. But yeah, yeah yeah