She's Gotta Have It (REVIEW): Unapologetic Feminine Sexuality | Ep293 - Black on Black Cinema | Black Movie Reviews

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know I did a lesson about the villains right now,
don't find the last down before me change.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Let's reputas on it, you know.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hello, and welcome to a brand new episode of Black
and Black Cinema. I'm your host, Jay, I'm here with
my co host Micah Hey and Terrence's up. All right, guys,
we are back. This is episode two ninety three. She's
got to Have It. This is the nineteen eighty six
Spike Lee directorial debut. This is not the series, by
the way, it came out a couple of years ago

(00:41):
on Netflix by Spike Lee as well, but the actual
original film this The logline is. The film follows a
young woman who is dating three men explores the feelings
this arrangement provokes. Directed and written by Spike Lee, starring
Tracy Camilla, Johns, Tommy Red and Hicks, John Canada, Terrell,

(01:02):
and Spike Lee himself and Ray Dowell, with special guests
Joy Lee and Bill Lee, Spike Lee's sister and dad.
It's been a really really long time since I saw
this movie, so this was kind of like pretty much
like seeing it for the first time. I mean, I
don't even know how many twenty years ago, I thought, yeah,

(01:26):
it's I mean, it feels like a student film, which
makes sense. I still like the movie quite a lot.
It's amazing that it was done for one hundred and
seventy five thousand dollars, you know what I mean, just
like thinking about how much movies costs nowadays. It's probably
his only movie without an official dollary shot, which is

(01:48):
kind of fun. You kind of see like the beginnings
of that in one scene. You're like, yeah, you can
see why he does it, Like you can see his
sort of ideas. So it's kind of cool to get
a look at Spike Lee before he becomes like who
we know as a director, right in his you know,
in his like at his height. So yeah, I think

(02:10):
it's good. I think it's interesting to explore a woman
having an actual, like free sexual appetite as your first film.
Like that's super interesting, and I guess kind of risky
that it doesn't come off it's completely uh obnoxious, which
I don't think it does. And also I'm not pleased

(02:31):
with Spike Lee for stealing my entire He's copying exactly
what I used to look like, uh when I was
in high school, except I didn't have the same clothes.
But I was just as skinny and awkward looking as
he was, so I didn't appreciate him stilling the whole
style and a fucking motor mouth. Yeah, some things don't change,

(02:51):
I mean, what can Yeah, But all in all, it's
it was. It was cool to go back and watch this.
What did you think about?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
You know, seeing this and and the and the series,
you can tell that the series is a fully fleshed
out version of something that was already pretty decent.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
The only knocks that I have on this movie can
be attributed to the fact that, you know, there's a
first time directors first movie in the eighties, and I
don't know how many of these people are like actors.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Only Camilla John's really only did anything else.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, you know, some some of it, you know, is
is you're they're they're reading or they're memorizing, Like you
can hear them recalling the lines in their head as
they are saying it. But if you if you can

(03:56):
look past that, like you said, it's very interesting thing
to go back and see a director's first film and
you you see all of the things that Spike Lee
has been you know, kind of known for right, Uh,
just New York as a character, right, fourth wall breaking

(04:22):
to the point where like people are giving testimonials to
the camera, you know, interesting characters and and a provocative
concept that centers around black people. I think the movie

(04:47):
is pretty good. I if you're going to you know,
if you're not into movies, I would just watch the
series on Netflix if I'm being perfectly honest, Like it's
it's it's it's it's more fleshed out. It is the
perfected it is the perfected version.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Of what this movie is.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Right Like, for you Star Wars fans, right Like, it's
kind of the reverse of the George Lucas remakes of
the Star Wars movies. Right Like, those movies were made
and they were fine, they were they were great, and
then you get the director because like director's crave perfection

(05:28):
and he tweaks it and tweaks it to the point
where it kind of messes things up. It's like having
a it's like having a beautiful painting and then in
big bowl black ink, putting your stamp on it, you
know what I mean, Like it kind of ruins it.
But with this it is the opposite. You take you
you take something that is, you know, you see something

(05:53):
there and the series kind of you see this lump
of clay, and the series molds it into uh some
pretty good art.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, it's like a rough draft basically. That's yeah. Yeah,
terns to your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
I had never seen this before. It was my first
time ever watching this movie. It's something.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
You can definitely tell that this is directed by someone
that is not exactly skilled in his craft.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yet.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
The acting is atrocious. Uh, it's terrible. It's it's fucking
got off.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
I mean they're not actors, like, yeah, exactly, so you know,
uh yeah, you can tell by it seemed like he
wanted to make like a French film, right, you can
tell this.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Like a fucking door. Yeah. I again, like you said,
but you saw those people don't even bother. Uh. It
was a rough watch for me. I'm gonna keep it
a stack. I got it. I was like, good guy,
what is this?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
It's an hour and a half.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Suffers from it suffers from what a lot of first
time directors do. Like a lot of directors kind of
start off as photographers and you can kind of see
it like they're they're really focused on the shot, right,
focused on interesting.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
When he's when when what's the name at the end? Yeah, yeah,
And it's just basically photos of him on try cool.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's photos in the beginning, like it's photos like it's
all about it's all about interesting shots, right. But yeah,
and that's kind of a trapping that a lot of
you know, first time directors, not maybe not so much now,
but you know back then they wanted to get the
shot and you know it.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, I see would you say, yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, I'm old Dog's cute?

Speaker 3 (08:13):
I mean I didn't. I wasn't, Bob.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
It was not like it's it looks again it's first film.
I couldn't tell what year. Like when what's his name?
Showed up? I'm like, what year is this? Because he
looked like he was from like like nineteen fifty five,
and then she was contemporary? Yeah no, what's his name?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Over Street? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Over? Oh yeah, yeah, what's going on Jamie over Street?
I'm like, what year is this?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah? It did look like, oh he's fresh off like
a Jim Crow farm right, Like I feel like that little.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Bit like ugly Harry Belafonte and ship.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Look look I'm going to say something. I mean this
like I honestly don't mean this like with any sort
of malice at all. I really don't. That dude sounds
exactly like Corey from Double Toasted. He fucking does like
you sound.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
He sounds exactly like like if you go back like
he does. He sounds exactly like him. It's hilarious to me.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Like, if you're a movie buffal yeah watch it. If not,
don't even bother, Like I I get I got through it.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
But yeah, yeah, would you recommend the series over this?

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Oh? Absolutely, Yeah. I'm glad Spike kept going. I'm glad
he did because yeah, yeah, this was something man.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
I was like, everybody got to start somewhere.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Everybody somewhere. I was five when this movie came out,
so you know, uh Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Damn, Well that's insane. Yeah, it's it's just one of
the I guess. It's just one of those things where
like I like the I like the fact that you
can see, Okay, these are these are the you know,
these are the sort of you know, beginnings, you know, crumbs.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Of the foundation of what we we uh we got
from uh, what we got from him forty years later. Yeah,
I think it's.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
He almost went back to his roots.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
That movie sucks. That was that was something that was
that was the low. Like, you know, it's funny because
you know Terns you you've said on a number of
episodes that we've done Spikley movies like yo, what is
going on with all the jazz? Well this movie answer right,
which is it's his dad.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
His dad wrote Yea, I guess.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
For like a number of his movies. I think his
dad died in like ago. Yeah, I was gonna say
two thousand.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
I just looked at him. I was twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, but he did he did the music for him.
It was almost one hundred wow. But he did the
music for him like all the way through, like do
the right thing or something like that. So like it
does make sense why he did that. And also he
grew up in a household where your dad is a
like a pretty like decent chance musician. So yes, it
would make sense that that that's a real part of

(11:27):
who you are. I didn't know that, so that was
kind of a that was kind of a nice thing
to find out. But yeah, I would agree. The series is.
The series is is a much better look. So let
let's get into it. So we meet we meet Nola
Darling who played by Tracy Camilla. John's yeah this movie.

(11:50):
When it opens, I'm like, what, Yeah, what decade is it?
It is kind of fun because the film is ninety
nine percent in black and white, which you know, can
kind of strip out the timing as well, especially because
it makes the nineteen eighties look like the nineteen seventies,
which looks like the nineteen sixties and you know, earlier
than that. So we get that. We get this woman

(12:12):
and she's basically like, look, I don't like labels. She's
doing one of those like real world confessionals right, like
she's talking, she's like, you know, like right down barrel
and she's like, look, I don't like labels. You know,
I like to sleep with multiple men. People call me
a freak, but I don't like that term. Let's you know,

(12:33):
god bless and again, this is a This is a
pretty risky topic for first time director as a dude.
Like like, if somebody told me like, hey, uh, this
is going to be the this is going to be
what you know some male director.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Is going to do, I'd like, don't do that in
America in the eighties. Like again, like this. If this
is France, it'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Right right in America. In America in twenty twenty six,
I would tell you don't do this as a man
like that. Can you imagine this movie coming out now?
People like U for forget the acting quality and stuff
like that, but just that topic, like done by Steve Smith,
they'd be like, what the fuck? You don't get your

(13:19):
ass out of here. So it's it's pretty brave thing
to take on.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
So then it twenty nine when he did this, Yeah, nothing,
you'll don't know nothing, bro fuck out of.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Here a twenty nine year old.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Nowadays, Jesus fucking Christ.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
No, they're like, first off, she's a four what do
they call it, Like she's a four h three or whatever,
dumb shit young people say nowadays. That's a hoe, I believe.
But so then you meet her she says, hey, look
I don't like labels. And then you meet the three
men she's she's currently dating, one of them, Jamie Overstreet. Again,

(14:03):
this dude sounds exactly like Core from Double Toasted to me, like,
it's just funny. Then you see and he's kind of
like the polite, well meaning guy. Then there's a self
obsessed model Greer Child's a pretty ricky as nigga if
you will. And then the immature motormouth Mars Blackman played

(14:23):
by Spike Lee playing himself. As far as I'm concerned,
this is not.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, you can't play anybody, but.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
He's not an actor. And so you see her with
these three men, and then we meet her former roommate
played by Joey Lee, who was like, hey, pardon me,
she she's playing her former roommate, who was like, look, yeah,
we used to be super cool and we are still cool,

(14:55):
but we had kind of a falling out because I
would wake up every morning like, you know, who are
these straight men in my house? And she was like, look,
you can fucking hit the bricks if you don't like
that shit, Like, so I did, because I don't think
that shit's acceptable. I I just I find this topic
to be really, really interesting. Do you think he handled

(15:15):
it well? I'm curious sexual freedom for women. I think he.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
I think he is able to convey a point. I
don't necessarily know what the point is.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
At a point, I mean, I guess, and it's better
done in this series.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, yeah, I guess it is better done in the series,
especially because you know, given the time we live in, right, like,
we have to kind of transport ourselves back to when
we were six and five, respectively, and you know how
things were back then, right like now, like in that

(16:01):
series when that series came out in twenty seventeen, you know, women,
right like, women were.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Treated like normal people.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
I guess yeah back then, yeah, back then, right back in,
back in the twenty tens.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
But it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Uncommon for women to in my opinion, for women to
be like, yeah, I know what I want and this
is this is that? Right? Whereas you know, back in
the eighties, you know, women, women don't go around talking
about like, yeah, women don't go around just like.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
I don't know what women as far as we know
how it is, again, we were five, right, I don't know,
that's my mama some like that. But I can imagine,
like as puritanical as its fucking country is, regardless of black,
white or whatever.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Right in the Reagan era, like women didn't women just
just go out and have sex with random dudes that
you know, that's why all these dudes are are trying
to claim her or whatever in their own specific way. Hell,

(17:24):
there's a there's a montage of she goes on to say, like,
you know, give examples of men trying to trying to
spit game or whatever, and there's a montage very uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
I didn't like it at all.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
At the end, Yeah, you might be a rapist, bro,
get the fuck out of here. As a father of
a little girl, I don't like none of this.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Ship.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I don't care for none of it. Get the fuck
away from my house. Yeah, Like.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
I was like, I don't like this.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, this guy, what does he say, girl, I
got plenty of what you need, ten throbbing inches of
us D, a government inspected prime cut grade, a tube steak.
And then he does his tongue in a way that
I'm not gonna because I don't care for. Get out.

(18:30):
Don't say that.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Look like Byron Donald's dad or something.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
What is that dude up to right now? That dude
is in his sixties right now, like that one guy.
So yeah, I do think he does a pretty decent
job of kind of telling that story. I don't want
to say telling that perspective because he doesn't have that perspective, right,

(19:04):
but I do think I think he does a pretty
decent job better than I would assume most would do.
He doesn't. He doesn't sort of downplay. He does a
good job of not making her into being like a
weirdo or an idiot, like I don't know what I want,
Oh my God, like show me the way guys like,
If anything, he shows how the guys, because of sort

(19:26):
of their societal position, are just completely enable or completely
unable to handle this situation. Like they're like, yeah, no,
I'm cool with it. I mean I'm not really cool
with it. Like they they eventually just fall apart, right,
They tried desperately to put themselves in this lane that
they cannot exist in.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I think I think the point, I think one of
the points is that you know, for all the bravado
that men have had throughout the years, right, like, men
have feelings and emotion and you just gotta you know
you and and they don't like it. Men don't like
it when, you know, when when women test those things,

(20:11):
when women make them realize that they have feelings.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
And they're being treated like we treat women.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Like exactly exactly right, exactly like she even says it
at one point. She even says it at one point,
something like you just got turned out or something like that,
you just mad because you got turned out or some
shit like that. She says that later in the movie,
and I think that's one of the points that I
think we all can relate to. And I think, you know,

(20:40):
everyone needs to kind of come to terms with, especially dudes,
Like it's okay to have feelings guys, like you know,
it's okay to like want someone, but like if they
don't want you back, then you got to kind of
move on, man, Like you can't. You can't, fucking obsessed,

(21:02):
you can't. You can't just turn around be like, well
fuck you, damn.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Bitch, like I need Greer does gre does right? And
I would argue Greer is the worst of the three. Oh,
it's not even a question. It's not even a question,
Like he Spike Lee doesn't even try to be like,
let me give this guy like a little bit of
a redeeming quality. Now, this guy's a self obsessed piece of.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Shit, Like he really self obsessed, incredibly fucking vulnerable. She's like,
he I need an answer now. She's like, okay, no,
It's like I'll give you a couple of days. When
they're sitting on the roof he's like, you don't want
you to be with me? Like I need an answer,
I need it right now. He's like, well answers no,
He's like, okay, you said right, like nigga, come on, bro,

(21:47):
not go I love.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
It was like she breaks up and he's like, I'm
gonna get a white girl. I was like, of course,
Marge called that one like forty five minutes before that scene,
which was hilarious. All right, So we see a scene
of when uh what's his name, uh, Jamie Jamie over
street he meets uh Nola and you know, like he's out,

(22:12):
he's just out on the road. He sees her walk
by or whatever, and he kind of just starts following
her because he's just he's so enamored by her. But
him fair enough. I swear this looks like the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
She looks like Kelly Rowland.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
I can see that.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I think that's kind of see and so then eventually
I get it like money, Yeah, yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
The finest of the of Destiny's children.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I think that's true. I do like that look, but
like I don't know, I mean, look beyond Beyonce is gorgeous,
don't get me wrong, but for my money, yes, I agree.
Kelly Rowland is the best looking and look, she even
knows how to like text Nigga through Excel on a
cell phone.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
I mean, that's.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
One of the fucking weirdest things. Why why did y'all
have her? Dude? So she eventually stops and like he
walks around the corners like oh shit. She's like, yeah,
are you following me? He's like, look, what's your name?
Where are you going? I just want to take you there,
like wherever you go? And I want to go wherever
you want me to take you out, take you there.
She's like, oh, I got me a new scent. All right, cool?

(23:36):
But so he gets her number. I guess, uh, then
we see we see I guess how she met Mars
or you know, just at least how they you know,
how they interact with each other. And Mars, played by
Spike Lee, is a fucking character. Like he's got his
name around his neck in a gold chain which is

(23:58):
definitely not really gold. It's like aluminum, like tin bro spread,
Like why is it so thin? And so he's you know,
he's just a fucking character. It's like the big glasses,
the whole thing. What's the what's the guy? Ramos who

(24:19):
plays him, and Anthony Ramos, who plays the same character
in the series. It's it's hilarious because like they didn't
try to change the look at all. They were just like, nah,
this is Puerto Rican now, like that's it. Same dude.
He's got the you know, he's got the like the
biker's hat. I used to have one of those. Gotta
a giant, giant dork, and so like there at Nola's

(24:43):
apartment and he's just he he's very much coded as
like the most immature man you've ever met. Like he's
basically a boy that she let hit. It's basically how
why I look at it? Look being a giant dork
and you know, having this very similar vibe when I

(25:05):
was young. This is the least realistic part of the
movie because this guy's getting late. Okay, that's that's how
That's how I know this is fiction. Okay, not at all.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
You've got confidence? Did you have confidence?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
You know what? That's the part I was missing, just that.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
I know I'm five foot whatever the fuck he is?
What is he five foot four?

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Like Lee is? There's no way Spike. Lee is taller
as tall as I am.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Like, he's pretty short. He's like little Wayne short.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Is Little Wayne, like a real small guy.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
I assume him like that short.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Like Lee is five to seven.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
That's a lot.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
But now now, but some sources say he's five six. Wow,
Lil Wayne is five five. That is That is sad,
that's unfortunate for him. Uh It's good when I'm taller
than people because I get to look down on them.
Kevin Hart, no way, Kevin five three. He's five to three, bro,

(26:17):
Like he's short. Wow, it says he's five to five.
I don't believe that.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
No, Kevin Hart five ain't no fu. Five ain't no way.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Look, this is the other thing says he's This other
thing says Kevin Hart is five.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
To two, which is before before Kevin Hart was Kevin Hart,
he was just he was an up and coming comedian
working hard on the grind or whatever. He stopped in
the gallery because he had a performance later that night,
and he was doing an autograph signic just way before
he was who he was, And he went into the
game stop and people were crowded around him and I

(26:54):
couldn't tell.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
It's like what the fuck all these people were doing
in my game? Stop? You know, like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I was like?

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Oh, Kevin Hart's in there?

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Who It's like, who is vir?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Now he's one of the most famous people in the country. Amazing,
good for him. See, we want to come up. I
mean not literally, but you know, not physically. You want
to look up. You gotta being five? Being five, No,
I'm can you imagine? Can you imagine if I showed

(27:29):
up the next time y'all saw me? I just I
was six two? Can you walk? Hold on, guys, don't run,
that's crazy, that's absolutely nuts. Don't don't get.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
The leg surgery weirdos.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Just be short. I know it ain't easy out there.
So then we see.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
From there, we we meet Opal Gilstrap Opel guild Strap, interesting,
who is a lesbian who is definitely interested in uh Nola,
But Nola is not interested in women at all, which
is as a shame because that scene could have been great.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
But it's great, and.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yes, it was awesome. What's her name? Ople Gilstrap too,
which is just again very cute. All the name is
the same, right, Yeah, it's been a it's been a
number of years since I've seen this series. It was
in the olden times of twenty seventeen, so so yeah,

(28:45):
she's like Opal is like definitely given off those like
uh scissor me timbers vibes and and so Nola's like, nah,
now that's cool, like you know, I we're friends, but
like no, I'm not really trying to do it, do anything. Meanwhile,
Jamie comes over, and Jamie is not too pleased that

(29:07):
that Opal is even there because Nola's not feeling well,
and he's like, no, no, we got it, Like you
go ahead, just going home, like you don't need to
be here, like it's fine. She's like no, I like
to stick around, like make sure Nola doesn't need anything.
It's like, why don't you take your ass on home,
get the fuck out of here. You ain't got nothing.

(29:27):
I got all she needs all over here.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
It was like, you're a very attractive woman. I would
have never pegged you as a gay six right, But
then you got to remember this is the eighties, right,
like instead of like him being like, hey you're gay,
maybe we can make something happen, right, like no, you're

(29:51):
like six terms, like come on now, right, nah, He's
just like you are gay a gay, right, that's correct, Like.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Nah, you know you got you gotta see the forest
through the trees man. Yeah, well, if you play your
cards right, and you could have but.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Rivers and the lakes.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
There's bushes in those forests locked up. So she eventually leaves.
Like a lot of this feels like a play you know,
like he's like, scene for scenes feel very play like,
which is understandable to start his career. And so he's like, look,

(30:38):
I you know, I sent I sent opal, you know,
sent her on her way. She's like okay, And basically
he's like, so why is she always hanging out here?
And she's like, oh, we have fun. He's like what
kind of fun? Like did you record it? Or like,
like what's happening? That's against Jesus, you know that right?
And she's like no, I'm not interested. Like fucking relax.

(31:00):
Then we uh smash cut to meeting Greer. Child's I
don't like this nigga at all, and neither will you
if you've never seen this movie.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
This nigga, this nigga is the Michael Beach of his day.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Absolutely correct, Yeah, this dude is this dude is something else.
He's like, look when I when you know, when we
walked down the street together, we're a stunning couple. And
I'm like, if you were on that show popped the balloon,
those women would have been like, we're done with.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
You, like immediately, a goddamn Vietnam vet would have flashbacks
My Nigga Life.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
A genius program. Yeah, so he's basically, look, I picked
Nola up from you know, out of obscurity. Basically he
was like, you know, pulled her, but you know, pulled
her up out of the trash to show the finer
things in life. You know, I'm I'm I'm you know,
I'm the prize. Basically, when women talk about guys who

(32:10):
think they're the prize, they're talking about dudes like this,
and you know, he's kind of again, he's doing one
of these confessionals, you know, straight to the camera. And
then when we first see them interact with each other,
this dude is lifting weights with his shirt off in
her apartment while she's you know, painting or doing whatever
type of art she's doing. And he's like, yeah, I

(32:34):
never get tired, baby, Like you know what's up? Like,
I just all I do is is it a crime
to take good care of yourself or whatever it's like,
and then he just starts doing push ups. It's like, okay, man,
because like if you weren't fine, I wouldn't be with you,
you know that. Yeah. I was like, no, that's not
what he said. He said, if you get fat, I

(32:54):
won't be with you late. Yeah, well, god's making a
lot of points. No, I'm just kidding. But now this
guy's this guy's a p Yeah, he's like doing push
ups and he says, yeah, aren't you gonna join me?
And she's like, yeah, I'm working. He's like, look, you know,

(33:14):
the minute you get fat, I'm leaving you. Is the
quote she should have stabbed that nigga with the parent
says that she had in her hand. Right, then, if
you weren't fine, I wouldn't even bother with you. He
don't even say the ship in a joking manner. He's serious,
which is insane. Like I know it's nineteen eighty, Like, yo,
what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
But like here's the thing, right, Like this movie is
kind of prescient in that regard, right, Like that's all
we see now from dudes is a bunch of griers, right,
and you know, literally, I guess it is, right, like
he's fresh antheit, he's both and and he's you know,

(33:59):
and nola Is is a modern woman who it might
not seem very modern now, but like again, this was,
you know, smack dab in the middle of the Reagan
era where you know, gender roles were more defined and
and you know, this was out of the out of

(34:21):
the norm, and you know that's I guess that's to
this movie's credit. And you know, at the same time,
I guess the more things change, the more they stay
the same, right, like, which is like disheartening to me.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's yeah, you would hope that things
would progress, although I think they're all they do progress.
You get real slow. Yeah, well, I mean, and you
get right, this is like the idiot dip that we're
dealing with. Though I think the manisphere is large, it's

(35:03):
not fully dead. And for some reason, young young men
like to listen to these no pussy getting weirdos. It's like,
why why are you listening to people who have to
pay to get late? Why are you listening using your
money because you're buying their courses? What the fuck doesn't
make sense? I just I will never understand that. Here's

(35:23):
here's how a husband to treat his wife. You ever
been married? Well, no, then what a funk am I
listening to you?

Speaker 4 (35:29):
That's my question every time I hear, every time I
see they're not even relationships. Why are you listening to?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah? I actually I did just see someone making fun
of Myron. I guess he's the thinner of the fresh
and fit uh losers.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
And Myron Myron is the Yeah, I don't even know
what the other nigga. I think that nigga dies, he's.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Still alive, but he's he's he's he's a more probably
ugly spoiler alert, that's not fair, Like they're both ugly.
There's there's no need to make a distinct. But I
saw that Myron like he finally got a girlfriend and
then he like shipped on her, like on one of

(36:17):
his shows. They like played a clip of it, and
she immediately cheated on him with some dude in Miami.
I was like, that's what you get?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Good? Was the something on like some roller blades? Yeah? Yeah, Yo,
that ship is hilarious. Some cold or cold in and
was like, Yo, you have to find that clip. It's
fucking hilarious because he just went in on his get
he wasn't yelling or anything like that. He's like yo
something and some rollerblades to keep girl. Yeah, and he
just sat there like he was about to start crying.
It was the funniest thing. It was very funny.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
If I can find it, I will play it on
air because laughing at those dudes is uh just a
good time. So yeah, so from.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
From there, like quick funny. It is a quick funny scene.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
The sex scene where yeah, where where Greer.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Is and and and Nola working out and and they're
trying to fuck right and Nola's like, bam him a
titties right, like shut look, I am mad at you.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
I like what you're working with this dude. He gets
to take a ship kiss off and then he and
then he fled this ship.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I'm and he cut the Nola. She's like okay. And
then the.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Nigga takes his pants his shoes off and.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
The neatly places and then Nola's like you cut the Nola.
She's just like.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
And then the nigga takes his past off and pulls
the ship down. It's a very funny scene. Man.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I I yeah, this this scene did exactly what it
was supposed to do. Yeah, yeah, like, bro, just just
to stop, take that ship, throw it and go to work.
But this guy is such a self obsessed, fucking weirdo. Yeah,
she brought her from down there, about to fall asleep

(38:17):
by the time you get there.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
He's also short. He's also short people like slightly taller
than fucking Nola, Like literally like half an inch taller
than she is. How tall is was? How tall is
this boy?

Speaker 3 (38:35):
She can't be that tall? Yeah, I mean she's six
feet ye'll know.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
No, she's what's his name is? Six feet over street
is and he's considerably taller than she is. So these
niggas are short. Mm hmmm, well, you know, can all
be tall?

Speaker 3 (38:58):
No good being all stupid dumb nobody wants me. It's
cool being average guys like that. That's how life works.
It's cool to be average if you're Kevin Hart far below.
So then we see we see Nola's dad, who kind

(39:20):
of explains like the type of person she is. And
he is played by Bill Lee, the director's father and
also a jazz musician himself, and he also did all
the music for this movie, which is dope. I didn't
know that, but yeah, he basically was like, look, I
tried to make her like well rounded and sent her
to camp and piano lessons, but Nola was one quote.

(39:42):
But Nola was never one who could keep her mind
on any one thing for too long. Message. So here's
my question. Do you think that women who have multiple
partners like this, Like she's dating these three guys, right,

(40:03):
She's not just she's not just out there like randomly
hooking up with a bunch of guys. She's dating these
three guys all at the same time. Could you be
one of these guys?

Speaker 5 (40:13):
No?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
No, absolutely not. Listen to these nineteen eighty six as
right here.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
God, yeah, like I look no fun.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Have you ever dated women at the same time. No,
that seems like a fucking hassle.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Bro it seems like a fucking headache. Yeah, I got it.
One is enough.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
It's not so bad. It's not so bad. But I
don't know if I would say I was dating them
like well, just.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Like hanging out, just hanging out. I mean no, it's
different dating like like you you know, you you.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Got your yeah, your playing field, Yeah, your cature of
folks out there. Yeah. I think it's a I think
it's a it'll I don't want to say polyamorous, because
I mean, I guess it is. I guess it is
kind of a poly relationship, right, Like they're all aware
of each other. I couldn't do that. Yeah, hell no,

(41:14):
And then you know them, you know them. That's very
different than like you hook up with somebody, then you're
you're going day you hook up with something, and then
you go back you hook up with the first one.
That's one thing. But to be like, I'm definitively dating
this person.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Let's all have Thanksgiving dinner.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
And then tomorrow, I'm fucking oh, so y'all not going
into the Thanksgiving dinner? No? No, oh, niggas are not enlightened.
That's that's insane.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Yeah, I'm I'm sleep.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Also right there with you. I'm just rereading the two
of you. No, I don't think I could do it.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
I couldn't do it, yeah, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I also don't think I would be like you better choose, Like,
I don't think I would be like that either. It's like, hey,
I'm dating that's cool, I'm also dating these other two men.
Well here's the thing. You're dating two men and told.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Exactly like we can we can still be cool. But
we're no longer doing this.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Now, could you Now if she was dating two guys
and you were just like, you know, you just show up,
you do your thing, and then you break the fuck out,
Like is that a problem If she's definitively dating two
other men that don't work. I'm saying, let's say or
all three of these guys, but like, but then you know,

(42:37):
she's like, I'm dating these guys. But then you meet
her and she's like, oh, you don't have to like
we don't have to date or whatever, but like we
can hook up. And but I'm like, I'm dating. Okay,
all right, you're not dating one time, like you're cool
to be an interloper, but like like that's it.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Look, I'm cool one time, right, but you keep doing that,
you develop feeling.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Joe, you do look, you get you get pulled in,
and now you know that black tar just sucks your down.
It just happens.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Maybe, but I'm slightly different.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
I could, well, you're weird, like you you don't feel
feelings no no, no, no, I feel no no no, well.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
No, you don't do that. That's not the.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Name of the woman that Terrence had recently had sex with.
That's what he's feeling. Feeling.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Yeah, I'm feeling her up and I feel this other. No,
but I could do I could do the like, Hey,
I show up, yo, have a good time whatever, and
I'm out. But I'm not like I ain't taking you
to dinner, like we're not.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Yeah, I'm not fucking that's date.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, y'all date you go date those other three like
that's why I'll come.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Oh, call me if you call me like she called
home boy. At the end, I'm like, Tom, is it
like it's twelve o'clock.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
You what you know?

Speaker 4 (44:09):
What what you're doing? What you're doing? You chilling with
a woman in your bed?

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Wide woman in your bed. You're going to see doing
a darling with a woman in your bed.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Oh that's fucked up. Nah, that's fucked up. If I'm
in a relationship with somebody else, I'm not doing it
fun up. That's cheating. Niggas.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
No, no, no, what he's He wasn't going there to cheat.
He was saying, I have a friend friend.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Indeed, like, nigga, you what the like when he showed
when he showed up hero, he thought she was in trouble.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Nigga, you didn't.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
You're a lot act niggas cut it out.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
He was like, is it having?

Speaker 5 (44:47):
It?

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Is that always having? I would do that? Hell, that's
fucked up.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Yeah I don't. I couldn't. I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Said I'm dating a dance snap because he says because
later on he's like, I'm dating dating the dancer that
was her. She won't be here in the morning.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
No, I ain't say whatever. He just he just kept moving,
like I hope he was like he just kept going.
It was fucked up. So yeah, we we see the
scene where Jamie comes over to her house and he's like, hey,
is your birthday? Close your eyes, click your heels, you know,

(45:32):
saying no place like home three times. She does it
more than three times because she's not a very good listener,
And suddenly everything turns to color from black and white,
and we get an interpretive Dan scene and Michah, you
know me, Michael turns you dig I hated. I cannot

(45:54):
stand it. It is the bad I did the same thing.
I'm like, uh, when are we going about to talking?
Because what the fuck? I don't know what to interpret
from dancing. I really don't. It bothers me. The two
things I dislike the most, like in this genre of
things that happens in life, I don't like to be

(46:16):
sung to, and I don't like to be forced to
watch interpretive dance like I don't if someone is doing
interpretive dance and singing, that is my personal hell. Like
I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't
like when my wife even jokes and sings to me.
I don't care for it, like it makes you deeply.
My wife cannot carry a tune, if you if she

(46:39):
had help, okay, like she can, Oh she can't. What
the fuck like Nigga Nita cannot. So it's not an insult.
We're two no singing and ask people in that house.
And my daughter she can't really carry a tune either,
but she's really passionate about it, so maybe she will
develop a skill. Uh so, yeah, this interpretive dancing.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Not literally fast forward when they're gonna start talking, because
this is that I don't. This does nothing for me, like,
it does nothing for me, It doesn't it makes men,
This doesn't further the story at all.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
I don't. I don't want to be there. I don't
like it. So then we see uh scene after that,
after they they're off of their interpretive dance, high their backs, wardrobe,
like what is?

Speaker 4 (47:33):
It was bothersome to me?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
I like, what is Wait? No, you're not. You're not
gonna clown that outfit. You're not gonna clown the baby
blue pants with the baby blue and white and yellow
button up.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Nah, you hate like pop by the fucking Sailor. Man,
it's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
No, he looks he looks appropriate for some era I
don't know, but whichever era it is, this nigga look dope.
So then while they're laying there post coitus, she gets
a she gets a phone call from Mars and he's like, hey,

(48:17):
can I come over? You know, it's your birthday, you know,
trying to you know, make something happen, which is the
same way of celebrating somebody's birthday. Uh that you're you know,
you're in a quasi poly Amber's relationship with And she's like, nah,
it's too late, Like you can't, you can't come over.
And then she gets off the phone and Jamie's like, oh,

(48:38):
who is that. She's like, Oh, it was Mars, which
is weird, Like, hey, it's the other guy I'm fucking
on a regular basis, And and he's like, oh, what
do he want. She's like, oh, he wanted to come over,
but I told him it was too late. He was like,
why did you tell him? I was there?

Speaker 6 (48:52):
She was like.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Why, Like I'm gonna fuck about you. Yeah, he was like, yo,
I didn't put on these Jim Crow clothes for nothing.
Don't treat me like this. So yeah, so he's mad.
He gives a confessional. Uh. He talks about like how
he writes her poems, even though he doesn't messure poetry

(49:15):
very well. Let mess your question, okay, mess your question.
Yes you ever do that? Write poetry?

Speaker 4 (49:23):
Nigga?

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Who are you talking?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
You've never done that? But I remember the episode of
when you wrote a poem for some.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Chick and what was the song you did? It was emotional, roller.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Coaster, emotional emotion. I love.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
But yeah, I do too, I do too. You are
sucking a fucking lame dude.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I look, I could write look Jamie Overstreet is the
one that I relate to the most in this movie
and exciting writing lame poetry, bad fashion sense, big fucking
head and sound like Corey.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Down the line. This is this is this is you,
this is your yo.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
That's think you in love with Think you in love
with a black girl from New York who don't really
want you, but you know, just kind of just kind
of there wasting your time.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yeah, I can relate. This movie might be a little
too close to home. I think that might be why
I'm the most easy on it, you know what I mean.
I was just like, I don't know this scene right,
Like this story is okay, guys, like it's realistic. Yeah, funny.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
I remember as soon as you said that, I'm like,
I remember that episode.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
I do not remember that.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
That's and you didn't know the song when he told
you you didn't know it was No, that's I think.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
I would have to hear it. But certainly you writing
poetry might be the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
This is very no.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
I've never I've never been a I've never been a
poetry guy. That's never been a thing I did. I
did buy a woman a dozen roses once for her birthday.
Looking back, that was pretty lame. She liked it, but
I feel like I was being pretty lame at the time.
So yeah, I'm not I'm not a flowers guy either, Like,
that's that's not really.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
My sac like a dozen roses and go to it's
like the is the is the classic go to.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, it feels stay feels stand like, yeah, I just
been like I bought you a coffee, here's a latte
that you like. Yeah, I don't do I don't. I
don't go in on the like the classic romantic things
like that, Like I guess I'm just I'm just not
like that. I don't open the doors for people either,
Like so.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Well, you know that's that might be my problem.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
It worked out for me.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
I don't. I don't. I have a fucking, visceral, fucking
response to that. I just don't get it. I don't
understand why.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
It feels fake. It feels fake like it feels like
you're doing it just to get laid, which is understandable.
I get it. I do things when I was single
to get laid to duh. But yeah, it just feels
it feels like it feels like you're trying to play
life on like like cheap mode or some shit like that.

(52:30):
Like you know what I mean, You're like, oh, I
already put in all the codes, like does this work?
Does this work?

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Like when you drive, when you're driving somewhere, you open
the door for your wife, Michael, I know that, niggah.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Sometimes it depends on it depends on what side we
approach it. If we approach the passage side, yeah I'll
open it. But if we approach the driver side.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
You know, I'm not going all the way around like
we married.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
I'm talking about when you when you're driving and you
park somewhere and y'all getting out.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
If we're if we're on like a date, if want
like a date, target, nigga, not target, but.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
We're going to the target. No, no, no, not like
if we're on a date, I'll do it. Or if
we are walking, if we're walking back from a from
a store, and we approach from.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Approach, you're already on the passengers time.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Okay, yeah, but I'm not gonna I'm not see that.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
But like I understand it, but.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Your arms, I can't. I just it's so weird.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
You you walking in front of your wife, y'all walking
into a store, You're not going to open the door
and let her go?

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Oyeah?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I do that.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
I'm talking about I'm starting specifically car doors.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Oh that for me, SPI. You go into the store
and I'm like, uh.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
You.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Open it? And close it in her face.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
That's crazy women's and then you close it. Yeah, no,
like that, like if you're going into a store, like yeah,
of course, I like, but I would do that for anybody, right,
Like it's just a common courtesy type of ship. Right,
but like to a car door, like even if we're approaching,
I'd be like, and now I'm gonna go to my side.
Like it just feels And that's not even a judgment

(54:22):
by the way of other people, because I know you
were like, it's not wrong, it you know, it's it's
it's right if that's right for you. I just think
you're all weird. Like I just think you're all there's.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
No judgment for other people. You niggas is weird. I
don't know. I don't know why it never comes because
I never saw my father do it. Never did that
ship Like my mother has arms. You can open your own,
it's right there, you know you maybe when they were
on dates.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I don't know, Like if my wife was wearing like
a formal dress or something, then yes, right, you got
to like make sure like dress gets in and don't
get caught in the door and type of ship. Sure,
if we're on a carriage right, Like, there's a puddle,
Do I throw my jacket down on it? No, that's
just weird.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
I paid for this jacket.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah, Like, I just why would I do that? Walk around?
Walk around? You don't have to walk on the pun
So yeah, I don't know. And and I know there's
gonna be some like old school people like you're supposed
to do that? Why? Yes, that traditions are just peer
pressure from dead people. You don't have to do Fuck,

(55:34):
I heard that one one time. I just thought that
was great. It was a great line.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Oh shit, but it's true.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
It's true. Don't worry about what a night did in
fucking thirteen fourteen.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Who gives a shit?

Speaker 3 (55:46):
So so then we we see, uh, what's his face, Mars.
He's like, look, uh, Jamie, he don't have no fucking like,
he's not cool, career sucks.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
These guys don't got no no, no skills, no rap.
And then you just see him a titty. That's that's
why I think he's slick, yo. Right, Oh, it's art.
It's it's art, make right. The light on the on

(56:17):
the very on the on the admittedly very lovely looking nipple. Yeah,
like alright, it's a classic shot.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Again, it's a good shot. It's a great shot. Look,
I commend the man for the for the shot. But like,
nigga again, you.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Lingering to you lingering, you luxuriating in that shot? Did
they did they date? Were they dating at the time?
Maybe they were. I mean he's putting his tongue in her,
in her, in her belly button, the whole nine yards.
I'm like, this is dating vibes. Like, like, I'm very

(56:59):
suspicious of directors who put themselves in movies where they're
like they're having too good of a time. Like you
ever seen that movie Brown Bunny or that scene from
that movie. I've heard of it.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Yeah it like didn't directly get a blow job or
something like that in that movie?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah, and legitimately, and he came on her face like
it's fucking.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Like a couple of man.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yeah, they used to date. They used to date Chloe
svignev or whatever and the director but it was yeah,
how do you say the last name? Yeah? But yeah,
he was like, yeah, why don't you give me a blowjob?
And then I'm gonna like I'm a bust in your
face And she was like okay, all of this how

(57:46):
did you fall for this? Like how did you fall
for it? Like that's just crazy to me. Yeah, you
can watch it on the internet as you can see everything.
So yeah, you see you see a scene of mars
And and Nola, you know, post coitus, and you realize
why she likes him, right, because he's like a goofball
and makes her laugh and stuff like that. He's like, oh,

(58:08):
puts her panties on his head. He's like, yeah, you know,
I'm a superhero type of dumb shit, right, But he's
just super immature. But she likes him because, like he's
a fun time. I didn't notice that when he got
out of the bed. I assumed that he was nude,
like as he's hiding in the shadows, but this nigga
still has his Jordan's like you see it the whole scene,

(58:32):
which is wild, like bro come on, but okay, So
so then she's like he's like, hey, can you oil
my hair? She's like all right, cool, and you know
they have this kind of intimate moment. Apparently this nigga
has a bunch of dam which I don't know why
that would be hot to a woman. I don't really

(58:53):
get it. And then we see h Jamie Is he
started get more and more pissed. He's like, you know,
I had enough of his sharing ship and like the
into this, And Greer is also starting to get pissed
about the sharing because like he's like, look, yo, I'm
not saying that you're a nympho slut or a whore.

(59:14):
I'm not saying that many other people feels like you're
saying it. But yeah, he's like, look, I'm not I'm
not trying to say all that, but I'm kind of
tired of this, you know, the sharing ship. And so yeah,
she's like, look, you need to go to therapy. So

(59:36):
that's a while, that's a wild take having sexual urgence. Yeah,
she was like, well maybe I should go sell it.
He's like whoa, whoa, whoa slow down, you know me?
And then she goes she goes to therapy and the
the therapist is like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
She's fine, Yes she is normal to me. Yeah, woman,
doctors what do they know?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Do they know? All?

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Oh shit shit man, that's very weird. Man, that's very weird.
I know, I don't understand the idea of like you
don't want a woman, uh who has a like a
normal sexual appetite, like this woman looked like she she
likes sex too much. I'm sorry, what's the negative? I'm

(01:00:30):
confused again. Niggas in the nineties, we're wishing for this
day and now women are on OnlyFans and niggas are complaining.
I don't understand you, like I just I don't understand you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
It's like, yo, just shut up and enjoy the show.
You ain't getting them anyway, Like God damn, you find
somebody that don't want to have sex, that don't want
to have sex, so you can just sit there and
just look at each other whatever you want. I don't
know what the hell these niggas want anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
We walk so y'all could run, and yeah, you can
play about it, like get at it. So so Nola
secretly invites all three men over to have Thanksgiving dinner
with her, and they all show up all together and
no comedy ensues. Greer wears a tuxedo. He's got this

(01:01:19):
niggas got on a bow tie. He thought it was
just going to be the two of them, and this
nigga is kitted out like he going to the fucking
like a major party. It's just the two of y'all relax.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Yes, Thanksgiving dinner. The dresses up for Thanksgiving dinner at
someone's house, What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Kind of weirdness, Yeah, very strange. Jamie is also dressed up,
but he's dressed up a little bit more modestly. He's
just wearing a shirt and tie, and Mars is wearing
a golf shirt button up all the way to his
throat and that's the best he could do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Also, I didn't appreciate Jamie being like mad stingy with
the turkey. I was like, I'm on hot, you can
be stingy with a turkey that you know, depends on turkey. Yeah,
Turkey's overrated.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Also, that nigga wanted white meat, get the funk out of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Here, yo, right all right, bro. I did like Spike
Lee's response.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
He was like, white figures, that's very funny that yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
And like Greer is like being a real asshole at
the dinner. He's like, when can we rid you know,
rid ourselves of this this ghetto trash that's here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
It's like, yeah, this niggas think he Dudley from a
street fighter, yo, Like that's a trash.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Offensive, Like right to your face. I'm like Yo, you
want to fight nigga? What's up, dude?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Like yeah, Like, oh, Jamie, let's jump this nigga, like
right now. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Mars flips a
coin and and tells the other guys like all right,
y'all can leave type of ship. Yeah, and Noah's like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Was like Mars at one point is like, all right, look,
I'm make a deal with you. You can have a
three days a week. I have a two days a week,
but I get the weekends.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Like she's an adults at math And in my favorite nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
He said, if he said you can have her four days,
I'll take a three when I get the weekends. Yeah,
what then he gave it. He gave it more days
like Monday, Tuesday, Monday and Thursday. I get a Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
You the best days. The funk out of here. Yeah.
So yeah, at some point, like Jamie and Mars, they
strike up a little bit. I wouldn't say a friendship,
but they're a little bit more reasonable with one another.
Greer is definitely on the outside like he is. He's

(01:04:09):
by far the worst one is is Greer in the series.
I'm trying to remember who who's the dark skin like
African dude? Which characters? Is he Jamie in the in
the series. No, Jamie Greer in the series was a
light skin dude. Yeah, so Jamie Jamie is the dark

(01:04:31):
skinned African dude. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Uh, Jamie was Lyric Bent, remember the Lyric Bent.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah, I think that's what I'm thinking of.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Ben.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yeah, Yeah, that's him. Yeah, that's him. So okay, so
he was Anthony. Has that guy been in anything Lyric Bent?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Yeah, he's been in a bunch of h He's been
in a bunch of stuff that that you wouldn't watch
unless we had to review it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Oh, he was the he was the husband in Acrimony, correct, Yeah,
yeah he was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Yeah. Okay, again, a bunch of shit you wouldn't watch
if we didn't have to review.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
He was in Acrimony, and he was in Napoli ever
after we did that. That was a good movie. Yeah.
He hasn't been in a movie since twenty nineteen, and
he hasn't been in a series since twenty twenty three.
He was on Law and Order.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
So yeah, so there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Yeah, I thought that I was he was. He was
a pretty decent actor. It's all the other guys, Shorty from.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
He checked from fucking uh was opal? Okay? Yeah, all right, okay?
Is that the wife that was a wife from high
to Low?

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
I didn't recognize her.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Okay, Okay, there you go. He was just as good
as this as she wasn't. So, so the other guys
leave and Jamie stays. And I mean it's clear that
Jamie is probably the most reasonable of the three, where

(01:06:13):
Mars is completely immature and it's like a child, and
Greer is just a gig.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
I mean, she likes these guys. She likes these guys,
you know, she likes she likes Greer because Greer is
physically like attractive, right. She likes Mars because Mars makes
her makes her laugh. She likes Jamie because Jamie is stability,
and you know, he's nice and stable, right, which is
why I think she starts to gravitate a little towards him.

(01:06:44):
But you know, thanks change at the end, he gets a.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Little something from all three of them, and all three combined,
they basically explain it. Jamie and what's his name explain
it in their little confessionals. Yeah, at one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Point something about being a three headed, six armed, three dick,
monster of a man or some ship. Like, what a
weird description, dude, that's what said.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Yeah, like you didn't have to at all. You could
have just been like all of our personalities or this.
He's like, nah, but three dicks though.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Like all again, Jamie was the reasonable one. It's like, yeah,
all three of us combined and she makes up the
like the perfect man for her. He's like, he got
three penises. You fucking spent a lot of time looking
in the mirror at yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Okay, take it easy. Uh, the male form is really beautiful.
We get it, all right, James, We understand.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
So they would have a podcast nowadays, he would one
a podcast absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Like, first off, let me tell you about these females
else here we go. Are you women that? Yeah, shout
out to anybody listening. Stop calling women females. It's very weird.
It's very very weird. Don't do that. Well, they are females.

(01:08:18):
You don't call men males like you don't do that,
no one does. Like until you start doing that, then fine.
You want to say you want to call men males
all the time, then fine, Otherwise stop doing that. It's weird.
It's very strange. It's just it's a way of it's
a way of like kind of dehumanizing them. It's bizarre.

(01:08:38):
She has a dream, Noah has a dream about three
women that are dating the three men. And it's so
funny because you can tell exactly the personalities, like the
looks of the women line up with the men, like
you can tell right away. So she she has this
dream that these three women are dating these the three men,
and they come in because she's stile and their their

(01:09:01):
men from them, and so they set.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
Her on fire.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Obviously, this is just a dream, this never happened, but nonetheless,
she wakes up.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
Screaming basically.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
The worst line read of the film.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Fire fire, Oh God, Oh my god, what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
She was screaming. Jamie woke up with, like, hey, what's
going on? Like that was the most reasonable, unreasonable reaction
to her, just screaming at the top for lungs. Are
you are you good? Are you're having a bad dream?

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Screaming what's up? I would be flipping out, freaking out
of them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Yeah, I'm I'm glad my wife doesn't have light dreams.
So she's like yelling or something. It would I would
be like, what the fuck is going on? Like, relax, man.
The worst is like she's laughed in her sleep, which
is I'm just I just started laughing. I'm like, what
is wrong with you? She's she's had dreams like on occasion,

(01:10:10):
not not common, but on occasions, like she'll just started
she'll start laughing, and I'm like, are you awake. It's like,
just like, oh, sorry, should I like a funny dream
or whatever? People are weird. People are very weird. So
she so she starts to tell, you know, she's she's

(01:10:32):
telling she's telling Jamie like, yeah, I'm gonna basically break
up with the other guys. I want to just be
with you. And he's like, I don't know if I'm
buying it. So she goes and you know, she she
kind of like has this kind of come to Jesus
meeting with with the guys and they all get like

(01:10:55):
different levels of piste and and Jamie eventually is like, nah,
fuck this, like this is ridiculous. I'm done, Like you're not.
I don't. I don't want to be a part of
this like this polyamorous relationship anymore. And I'm gonna do
Like she was like I think I'm gonna be celibate,

(01:11:16):
and he's like, what the fuck, Like, you know what
off after you know, giving it up for years on end,
all of a sudden, you're going to be with me,
but you want to be celibate? Nah, agreed, totally reasonable response.
Later on, maybe not so reasonable. Pretty bad to be honest.

(01:11:37):
So he walks out and then immediately Opeal comes sniffing around.
She's like, oh, the dicks are gone. All right, well
that's uh, he was up and so she's like, hey,
what happened? You know, like these men sure are terrible
and maybe you need some, you know, tender hands, and

(01:11:57):
she's she starts trying to like make some than happened,
and she like she kind of just goes for it,
and that don't work out. She gets rejected by by Nola.
Nola was like, I not I thought it was a choice. Guys,
I thought it was a choice. She just chose not to, uh,

(01:12:20):
And then she was like, you know what, I'm just
gonna go ahead and masturbate in the next scene. Thanks
Fike appreciate that. Yeah, He's like, so the artful shot
is you're gonna masturbate and I'm gonna stand here is
the camera running. Sure, let's go with that anyway movie.

(01:12:42):
So yeah, she she I guess she's thinking about either
Opal or the three guys, or maybe a millage of
all four people. And she calls she calls Jamie and
she's like, look, it's very important. I need you to
come over right now. Like she hits them with the
like what you're doing text type of ship and he's

(01:13:04):
like no, I like, I don't trust it. I'm not
trying to do this anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
And she's like, no, this is an emergency, like I
really need you. He's like, all right, better be an
emergency and then he lays back down, only to reveal
that the dancer from earlier I guess is laying in
his bed and she's like, oh, what was that all about?
And he says, oh, there's a friend in need, and
she says the line I won't be here when you

(01:13:30):
get back. He literally doesn't respond. He just keeps getting
out of bed. He's like, I could give.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Off as incredibly fine.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Look, I don't know click like you and your bullshit
or a sure thing. And this woman is fine, you
know what, I'm good. It's not much of a hard
decision for me. Yeah, that woman actually has like a
very modern look, which is kind of interesting because a

(01:14:01):
lot of people in this movie absolutely don't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
So so we see Jamie on subway heading over to
see Nola, and he's like, all right, what's the emergency. Yeah,
I got my member's only jacket on, Like what's up?
And she's like I need you and he's like, this
is what you got me to fuck out of bed for.
He's like, look, and you know, like, why don't you

(01:14:26):
call any of the other niggas in Brooklyn basically, and
she's like, no, I want to be with you. I
don't want to be with anybody else. And she starts
kissing on him, and you know, he's like I love you,
or she says I love you, and she's like big
love to me and all this other ship and he
just was like, all right, now, you don't want me
to make love to you. You want me to fuck you.

(01:14:47):
It's quite literally what he says. And then he just
like bends are over and kind of has very rough
sex with her. He's like, oh, this is how Mars
likes it, just how Career likes it, which is the
thing I don't feel like weird thing to ask, man,
I you know in this scene, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I never understood the whole comparatively. How am I Mars
did that?

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Earlier? It was like, am I better than him? Well?
Are you auditioning to be with him? What?

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
What?

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
It's what's weird? It's weird? Why are you comparing notes?

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
This is?

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
This is why I don't understand the body count thing,
Like I don't even understand why you want to know, right,
Like I don't. I don't understand that it's a ship
spoiler alert. More than zero sucks. So it's just best
not to think of like, oh, well I had sex
with two people to do?

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Like whatever number it is, like in your brain, you're
gonna be like all you can think. You're gonna start
to just think about this person that you want to
be with having sex, like how about like who cares?
Like do you have real diseases?

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Then fucking we're off to the races. Like I don't
want to know how many, but I don't want it
to be zero, right, that's true. That's not good. That's
like fucking worse. No, I know, I'm not interested in
teaching someone as an adult. No, no, get out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
But but that idea I find it very weird.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
I want a virgin. I want a virgin, Like why bro, Like, nah,
that's because you want a child. You want a child? Well,
that and they don't know how to fuck, because if
you know how to have sex, you wouldn't be you
wouldn't necessarily be intimidated by the idea that your partners
had sex with other people. But if you're like I
need her and think I'm the best you's ever gonna have, Yeah,

(01:16:37):
then you want somebody would know experience. No, I like
having sex with the virgin sucks, like what do we do?
We're awkward and show you don't know what you're doing.
But if you have experience, you know what you're doing.
I just don't understand it. Like I think I think
all that body account ship is just super weird. I
think it's super weird. A woman can have more than

(01:16:59):
four partners whatever, like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Four I've heard two. That's in yo, that's insane?

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Is a wild ago? Dude, Like you can't have no
more than two including you? Like what the fuck? Like
two partners?

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Like how young are you hooking? Up with these people,
you know what I mean. Like, that's what I'm saying you, Like,
it's super weird. Like if you're if you're an adult
and you meet someone that's in there that's thirty years old,
you've probably had and they've had sex before. They've probably
had more than two partners. Like even if you had
long term relationships, you could be like I dated this

(01:17:39):
person four a year, I diedd this other person for
six months. I needed this person for three months. That's
three people. Like from the time you're twenty to thirty, Like,
come on, that's insane. Even if you said you started
just for numbers. You start having sex at twenty years old.
If you met the person at thirty, you could easily

(01:18:00):
have ten partners. And having sex one person a year
is not insane. Like no one's like, oh, this person's
really laying it down. You'd like you had sex one
time in a whole year. Congratulations, Like what the fuck?
So like it's very bizarre, Like I'm not saying it's
I think it's normal. If somebody's like, oh, I've had
five hundred partners, Okay, that's too many, But like I

(01:18:23):
think there's a happy meeting between zero and five hundred,
like without being ridiculous, like come on, and that's men
and women too, by the way, like you're trying to
go for a fucking Guinness Book World record like relax.
But yeah, so they he I would argue, is what
he does is tantamounts of rape. I mean, she calls

(01:18:47):
it like near rape later in the movie, but I
guess like she's not telling him to stop. But it's like,
I don't know, it feels uncomfortable to me. It feels
like I didn't I didn't like I didn't like that.
I didn't like it. I know what, I know what
the scene is doing. It's just hard for me to

(01:19:07):
see something like that. That's all. Yeah, No, I agree.
I agree. She's not enjoying herself, Okay, she is. She
does not want this, and and it flashes to like
her having sex with Greer and Mars. He's like, yeah,
just what they want, you know, Like he's like, who's
pussy is this? And all that? These are these are
things you say when when things are nice, not not

(01:19:31):
the situation.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
This is just just yeah, he says something. What did
he say at the end of that scene? Here, I'm
trying to dog you in the and the best I can.
And what bothers me is I enjoyed it, And I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Like, I don't like that line at all. What does
it mean? Like, Okay, you're giving a rap vibes, bro,
real rap vibes because that's what you just did. H
So from there, she goes and sees her old roommate

(01:20:04):
and she's like, yeah, you know, like thinking about just
kind of cooling down, you know, like I got a
chill type of shit like with all these dudes and
her roommates like you know. She's like, look, I ain't
judging you. Yeah, that's cool. Then we get Grier's like
yeah the three Penis Monster, Like all right, nigga, you're weird.

(01:20:25):
So she meets up with Greer at one point and
she's like, uh yeah. He's like, hey, why don't we
go to Manhattan we get lunch like everything and be cool.
I don't worry about it. She's like, so, here's the thing,
I'm breaking up with you, nigga, and he's like, you know,
you're cutting your own throat, don't you. Was like all right,
He's like a here a way of making that point,

(01:20:50):
and so yeah, he's like I'm like, yeah, anyway, and
I'm gonna get me a white girl forgets you figures,
which is this funny. Then we see her breakout with
Mars that those shorts are a choice. Mars, definitely a choice.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
You know. It's funny Sparkly wrote this movie. You would
think that he would deliver a better read of please
baby Please, baby, baby, baby please than the one we
got in the film.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
His wife. Interestingly enough, his wife wrote a children's book
called please Baby Please, uh that I have that I
bought my daughter, And that's that's one of the lines
in the in the book, right, because it's all keep
asking her like, you know, eat your dinner, pease baby please,
you know, like that type of ship. But that's that's
a children's book they actually wrote, which is cute.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
How's it feel to know that that is the desperate
plea of a man who is this who just needs
that pussy?

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Yeah? Yeah, yes, yes, thanks Spike, thanks again, appreciate you.
So then she she goes, she goes to Jamie and
Jamie is on his like I could give a fuck
type ship, and she's like, no, it's just you and me,

(01:22:20):
one on one. I just want to be with you,
and he's like all right, like you know, she kind
of walks away, giving the the like the progenitor of
the of the Dollar shot, but she's walking. It's not
she's not doing the slide, but you see, you can
see it. Like Spike's like, I know what I'm gonna

(01:22:41):
do with my next movie. So she walks away and
then you know, she turns back and he's like, you
got one chance, like you don't have any more chances,
basically to fuck it up. And so then she's like
she goes back with him, and then smash cut to
I guess a couple of weeks later, she was like,
look that digan't work out, Like this is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
I know what.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
This is a momentary weakness.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
It was like, nah, I was just I was just
I was just feeling bad. I had no new dick
in a while. Once I got some, it's like, all right,
I don't want this monogamy shit, this ain't for me.
And look, I if this is the point of the
movie that like women are just like just like men,
like monogamy doesn't work for some people and and women

(01:23:31):
should not be exempt from that, and which you know, fine,
you know, I mean that is that's something that you
don't you rarely see now in film. Yes, and you
certainly didn't see it, you know, forty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Yeah, I mean, I you think it. I think, you know,
sort of the sexual revolution, especially for women, has made
this more possible. I think a lot more. I mean,
I know, I mean it's been quite literally my anniversary
is coming up in a couple of days. But like,
I haven't been in the dating game in like seventeen years.

(01:24:20):
Jesus Christ, I am old. Wow. But I mean women
felt more liberated then too, so I'm sure that it
is even more more so the case now. But you know,
I met women who are just like, no, you know,
I'm cool with just like hook it up and having fun, like,
but I don't want to date.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
I was like, fine by me to say no more
on me right now, hold on, let me let me
fold my shorts and give it twenty minutes right to
get ready.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
And I think that's the problem with a lot of
men now like women. Again, I've been saying this forever,
like women don't need man, they don't know. They're like,
if they want to fuck you, it's because they want
to fuck you. They don't need you if they want
to be in a relationship with you, just because they
want to. They don't need to. So people they like
a lot of men can't handle that. They lose their
fucking minds. And that's where these bread killed motherfuckers come in.

(01:25:15):
It is like you gotta treat it. You gotta teach
these women how to want you kind of need you
and all this stuff. That's why they want virgins and
shit like that, and women to stay at home and
be fucking mothers and all that other weird shit because
they want them to need them, not because they want them,
but because they need them to survive. And women don't

(01:25:37):
you know, that's not the case anymore. And a lot
of men just can't handle that ship, which is silly,
it's just dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
It is, and turn around ambition and complain about how
annoying women are.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Like what the fuck do you want? Yo?

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
It's like you can't win for losing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
It's like god, damn hmm, yeah, I mean it is.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
And also a lot of men just don't like women.
That's just a fact. Yeah, that's just like an honest fact,
Like you didn't A lot a lot of men just
do not like women. They like to have sex with women.
They don't actually respect women as people like a lot
of people. Like again, like I know you respect women,
but you say you can't have a woman friend that
you are attracted to. You said that a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
I've said that, but you're married. Yeah, I don't go
fuck but.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
I when I said that, it's because I am a
very insecure man.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Uh and and and I was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
I would be primed to be one of those dudes
if I didn't have people keeping me in check, Like
if I didn't have friends like to say, hey, like
being a you should you know, calm down right like
like like let you guys, like when I when my
when my first and game uh fell apart, Like you

(01:27:03):
guys really helped me out man, Like you guys really
like were the ones that I needed you and y'all
were there for me, and I needed y'all to be
there for me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Otherwise, you know, I could be one of them dudes man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
And and yeah, like so I I see how people
can fall into it, but very easily. But but then
when you're it's it's one of those things where it's
like how the fuck, Like how the fuck can people
think like this, like when you're it's it's it's like

(01:27:40):
post nut clarity, but like.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Like what am I watching? What the fun was I doing?

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
But I mean I think it's because dudes are alone, right,
the the male loneliness epidemic of them, because are not
lonely enough. Frankly, I mean some of y'all need to
die alone. Your bloodlines need to never get passed on.
But I mean I do think there is there is

(01:28:14):
a large aspect of like just loneliness, and so they
feel like they have to blame it on something. And
a lot of people don't want to work on themselves.
They don't they don't want to look. They don't want
to be self effacing and be like what am I
doing wrong? Or like what am I missing? Or what
have you? But I also think, like you talked about,
you know, it's nineteen eighty six in this movie, and

(01:28:36):
gender roles are really strictly defined, right like men do
this they wear the Jim Crow outfits and women do
xt right in our like in fairness to men of
this era, things are not so black and white right
like they are, like you have women who are like

(01:28:57):
you've got like the trad wife type of women who
are like, I want the traditional type of fucking lifestyle,
even though it's like I want to work on my
husband to work on a farm type weirdo shit, I
don't really fucking get it. I think it's all a grift,
to be honest. But you have women who want that
sort of thing. You have women who are like, I
don't need a man, so you got that, and so

(01:29:17):
you have to like, okay, like, then I'll just stay
over here. And then you have like I think the
vast majority of women who are like, look, I want
to live a you know, normal progressive kind of like viewpoint.
I don't mean politically progressive, but like gender roles progressive,
Like I don't want to have to be scrubbing, you know,
toilets all day and taking care of the kids. I'd

(01:29:39):
like to have a career and type of shit like that.
And so it's like I want to be able to
share those responsibilities. And I think that's most women. But
then you have a bunch of guys who are like
I want to be the provider and I don't want
to take care. I don't want to have to do
like primary childcare. And then there's people who want to
be in the middle, and guys who are willing to
go all the way to the other end and be like,

(01:30:00):
you know, I'll stay home with the kids. Like I think,
there's just there's so many options where I think some
people who are not savvy enough get kind of lost
and they're just like I don't know what to do.
They don't know what to do, and like, I don't
know if that's I don't necessarily think that's a bad
Like I don't judge them about that, because I think

(01:30:20):
that can be difficult. I think you just have to
kind of move with the times, and some people are
just not good at that, like they're just aren't And
so then they end up listening to people who give
very simple answers to things, because sometimes people think simplicity
is the correct like life isn't always an Okham's razor
kind of situation. But then those guys, like you're red

(01:30:41):
pill guys, they give an answer that's just blame women.
Women got more right, so they're clearly the problem. It's like, now,
that's not really the problem. The problem is like we're
supposed to be treating them as equals, and when you
treat people as equals. You don't get to just domind
and benefit and do nothing right like men have gotten

(01:31:04):
massive benefits from women for years. You can knock a
woman up, she stays home, has the kids. You you know,
you go out and work, hang out with the boys,
go get a drink after work. You get to do
all this. She comes and complains with you, tell her
to shut the fuck up, and then you know, like
she's got to listen to you, Like that's been the
standard for decades, hundreds of years, right, thousands of years,

(01:31:25):
and now it's like you have to treat this other
person with respect and treat them as an equal. And
some guys are like, I don't know how to do
that because I've never seen that. Well, ny could grow up.
Life ain't fait. You got to you gotta change because
it's not the nineteen fifties anymore. And so red pillow
dudes are like, but we can try to make it
the nineteen fifties like it's not. And that's why your

(01:31:49):
wife or your girlfriend gonna leave be for and THEI
going rollerblades.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
They all have to say this is just interesting too,
because like these aren't like old men. I mean, some
of the older guys. Some of the rold Red pitos
are not like their thirties, Like them fresh and fit
dudes are not their mid thirties right, which means they
were born in like the nineties. By the nineties, like
shit was already different, So I don't understand why, like

(01:32:15):
and then there they're getting younger and younger, like this
is the world you live in? What the fuck is like?
It's not the sixties. The fifties was eighty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Dude, what were you?

Speaker 4 (01:32:28):
Where are you learning this?

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Ship? Right right?

Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
That's my creature.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
Their fathers.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
How old are their fucking dads?

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Well they must be. Yeah, they're probably better. I mean,
think about it if you were. I mean Andrew Tatus
is a prime example of us. He grew up him
and his brother Tristan I think his name is right,
the two rapists. Yeah, they grew up. Their mom and
their dad got a divorce and they and they listened

(01:32:59):
to their their dad was like, you know, he's like
a traveling like chess player or whatever. He's like a
famous chress player. But like they when they talk about him,
like I've seen clips, like they talk about him as
like he was the man or whatever. Their mom was
a piece of ship and drove him to cheating. That's
why he cheated on the mom. So they have a
twisted sense of what a woman's role is, what a

(01:33:20):
man's role is, and stuff like that. And so they
saw him as like this, like tough figure. I'm like
super masculine chess player, like this wasn't a small It's
very weird.

Speaker 4 (01:33:41):
I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
A British Canadian accent is that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
You know what, maybe as a Romanian accent, because that's
where he needs to go and go to prison and
live about the rest of his life in a box.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
You say that about above those dudes, and and it
just it reminded me of something.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
I'm just you say about you tell a story about
them dudes and their father, and it reminds me of
a very like minor anecdote that I that I had
that I can tell from something that happened to me
the other the other day, like it is very important
for fathers to or for a male figure two.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Guide young men.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
When we were me and my family, we were we
were in the kitchen the other day and my wife
said something and I said, well, I don't know, you know,
I disagree with her, not in like you're wrong, but
she said something and I said, well, oh, I thought
it was this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
It turns out she was right, but you know she
I said, oh, well, I thought, but but I thought
it was this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Hold up, I thought it was this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
And my son is there and he's like, I believe you, daddy,
I always be leave you, not mommy. And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay,
you know you got to listen to your mother too, now,
like it's you gotta you know, don't don't just believe, like,

(01:35:16):
don't believe me, like and not believe your mother, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
And like but like he immediately picked up.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
Where did that come from? That's weird?

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Wow, exactly exactly, but you know where it comes from
because because he has two loving parents, right, But he
probably relates to.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Me a little more simply because we outnumber her well,
and you're also your man, right, like right, we're men, and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
We outnumber like it's more men in the house, and
he's taking his cues from me and kind of you know,
taking some and passing some to his little brother. So
but I was freaked out by it. And it's not
the first time I've heard it. It's not the first
time I've had to say, like, no, you need to

(01:36:07):
you know, don't say that, Like you need to believe
your mother. You need to do what she says. You
need to, like because she is an authority for you. Also,
she's someone that you need to listen to and respect. Yeah,
you know, Like, but it's but like kids pick up
on stuff like that. Kids will because kids think that way.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Girl. I mean, but my daughter is the same way.
Like my daughter will connect and more and identify more
with things my wife says. And I'm like, I just
told you that, and it's just like, but it's the
same thing. It's she's like my daughter's like big thing
is anything she plays with that like character, like stuffed

(01:36:46):
animals or anything. Everything is a girl, right, Like so
it's like I've never I've never known that because you know,
like by default, if I grab a little like lego
character or like a non gender turtle or something like that, right,
it's like a stuffed animal. My instinct and this is
a weird thing that you don't really notice this until

(01:37:07):
your parents. My instinct is to name it a guy's name.
Why and it's a it's a really weird thing and
you don't think about it, you just do it. You're like,
I'm like, just taught me the turtle and it's just
because I'm a I'm a guy, right, But for her
everything is a girl. And I was like, I'm actually
kind of proud that she does that, that she that's
the way in which she sees the world. But it

(01:37:29):
just makes sense. So it's not I say all that
to say, like, it's not shocking when people hard identify
with their their particular gender. That's that's not abnormal at all.
It's actually totally normal. But these guys have have turned
from identifying with like like when you're a boy, you like,

(01:37:52):
you like hanging out with other boys, Like when you're
a young boy, you're like, I like playing with boys
because I'm a boy and we fucking bunch each other
and jump around, and girls like to play with girls
because you know they like to do the same things, right,
Like it makes all the sense in the world. But
that turns into hate hatefulness with these guys, and that's yeah, man,
like they're not your enemy, you dumb fuck. Like when

(01:38:16):
you were a little kid and you're like I don't
like girls, I don't like boys because they're different. That's like,
that's normal kids shit. But then eventually you're not like
that in your twenties. You're not like that in your
your hope hope. So right, these guys have convinced, sadly,
other people who are are much more followers than leaders

(01:38:37):
that in order. The reason you don't have these things
is because those women took this from you. They are
ruining your opportunities to go to college. Those minorities are
ruining your opportunities to succeed because you notice how the
red people aren't just they don't just hate women, but
they also start to hate minorities too that don't look
like them. That's also a part of it. And even

(01:39:00):
when they are minorities, they still hate racial minorities, right, Like,
it's it's all from the same thing. It's they don't
know how to succeed by like right, like you know,
rising tide lifts all boats. They don't live by that.
They have to push other people down to make themselves
feel big. Yeah, it's it's it's sad. So I don't know,

(01:39:21):
I think all of these niggas are pathetic. If I'm
being honest, like I just do. I think they're all pathetic.
I think they could all benefit from just a collective
ass whipping, Like I just really do literally or varatively,
to be honest, pick your poison. But I just think
that that's why they cannot identify with like people like

(01:39:44):
the Nola Darling character, because it pushes in the face,
It pushes against everything they believe in, which is that
women should be less and if they if they want
the same thing men want, then there's something wrong with them.
And like all of that, like you know, you get
militarian society type of ship is lost on them. It's
just lost on them because they have to push someone

(01:40:05):
down in order to push themselves up. They just have
to because they were raised poorly. To be honest, I think, yeah,
don't be like these guys. Be normal, and then maybe
you can find Nola Darling, who maybe doesn't you know,
want to fuck you and two of your your friends,
but I wants to have sex with you, So I

(01:40:28):
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
It's very weird, all.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Right, anything else on this episode to ninety three, She's
gotta have it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Watch the series series is yeah, series better? It does
it does this, but better.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Yeah, all right, there you go film buff though. Yeah.
I mean that's that's that's good. You get two seasons like.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
That's that should be all the that should be all
the reasoning you need one thousand. It was for me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
All right, That is it for us.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
We will be back next week with another previous episode.
I assume the next episode will be She's All That
as I as I said, which is also on Netflix
by the way, I found out. All right, so we'll
be back with the preview episode for next week. Guess
there you see you, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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