Michael (2026) | Shallow Biopic of an Icon - Black on Black Cinema | Black Movie Reviews

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
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Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hello, welcome to a brand new episode of Black and
Black Cinema. I'm your host, Jay. I'm here with my
co host Michael.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hey, Terrence's going on?

Speaker 5 (00:29):
Antiara? Hello.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
All right, guys, we are back to talk about the
twenty twenty six film Michael. This, of course, is about
Michael Jackson. The logline here is the early life of
musician Michael Jackson, from discovery of his talent as the
lead of the Jackson Five to the artists whose creative
ambition fueled a pursuit to become the biggest entertainer in
the world. Directed by Antoine Fuquah, written by John Logan,

(00:55):
starring Jaafar Jackson, Nee Long, and Coleman Domingo. Obviously, this
is in theaters now you can. You can check it out.
It seems to be doing pretty well. People seem to
be enjoying it for one reason or another.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
I'll go first.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
This is a standard music biopick, and there is nothing
particularly deviating from the classic formula. Michael Jackson's family did
this movie. Obviously, Jafar Jackson if you don't know, is
Michael Jackson's nephew. He is Jermaine's son. He is the
brother of your Majesty Jackson. So that's a real person.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Un name. I feel like I'm not keeping it.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
I looked it up. He's on Instagram.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
You can find your Majesty Jackson Instagram. But so it's
done by his family, so you know, you have like
the movie basically is like Michael Jackson is the greatest
person ever and he was never did anything wrong and
everybody did bad things to him. The movie it's like, okay,
like that, that's what the movie is. So if you like,

(02:03):
if you're looking for, like, is it gonna be controversy
of anything Michael did and I mean let alone any
sort of allegations.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
No, none of that is in it. They do.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
They're keeping it real surface level, which you kind of
come to expect with these type of movies. That being said,
Jaffar Jackson is I don't think I've seen a movie
where I'm like, they could not have picked a better
person to play this character. Like it's just it's ridiculously good.
I find flex when he played him.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Maybe they put.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
White out on that man's face and put I turned
a camera, which is fucking insane, but no, Jaffar Jackson's
portrayal was is just it's nuts.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
It's so good.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
But that's kind of why you go is to see
how well he can, you know, emulate his uncle and
like how good the music is, and you go for
the music, which yeah, I mean, if you if that's
all you're coming for, you're gonna get it. I enjoyed
it for what it was, and I was just blown
away by his performance.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
I just thought it was really good. But the movie
is just kind of standard.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
So to me, the movie in and of itself is
is not that not that particularly interesting compared to what
I already knew. Coleman Domingo is really good too, as
Joe Jackson. Like that casting is excellent, and the kid
who plays young Michael is also a really really good casting.
But those are kind of the things to look for.
If you're cool with that, then you'll enjoy it. I'll

(03:37):
go to Terrence.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
And then I'll say, you just basically said everything I
was about to say. Uh, he was great, everybody was
pretty decent. Everybody was decent. But I think, uh, already
far Jackson did an amazing job. Right, there was a
certain time that I'm like, that's Michael. It was fucking wild.

(04:03):
Comen Domingo as as Joe again. The voice is just
not you never. He can't do anything about it. The voice,
he can't change it. But like the look I remember
when I saw the trailer, I'm like, that looks like
Joe Jackson and it's kind of scary. Nea Longs his mom.
She she was fine. I don't really know what Katherine Jackson.

(04:23):
You know, she kind of looks like me, like a
little bit, but like she does look like I mean,
I know what she looks like. I don't know how
she acts like, you know, but yeah, it was fine.
I didn't know which brother with which Outside of Michael,
I couldn't tell you to do. I couldn't tell the
other four.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
Don't right, I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
It's your Maine, Randy, Tito, the two other niggas, I
don't know from micro the what's the last one? What's
the last one? Anyway? You said Jermaine, right, Randy, Randy Jackson?
Is it is that the American idol guy? That's no, stop,

(05:08):
that's ridiculous. It's Jermaine Tito, Jackie, Randy and Marlon. Marlon, Yes,
so who joined later? Because this is five nings in Michael.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Right, Randy joined later? Really all right?

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, I didn't know which one was, which didn't really
matter honestly because it wasn't focused on them. But overall,
like I said, it's just a standard box, standard biopick,
great music, great performance by Jaafar. That's what you go for.
Like I said, it's fine. I made six hundred million
dollars worldwide, So they're gonna do that. They're gonna do

(05:43):
the part two now that comes out. If you like
Michael Jackson, go see it like or don't yo, you
know everything about him?

Speaker 5 (05:52):
Please don't make a part two.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
There's really no need because that part two, like, what
are you gonna talk about out? I'm gonna go from
bad to invincible or this is it. You're gonna putim
in white face and that's gonna.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Be weird trials, you guys, my trial, which is a bad.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I have that fucking interview with him and that fucking
British dude was hanging a baby out the window like that.
Nick was wild.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
I'm sorry it was wild man. That's the next movie
in later years. Yeah, it's it's it's it's a it's
a fine movie. It's inoffensive.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Listen to some dope music and you'll get his life
story for the three hundredth time. There you go, that's it.
Are your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (06:43):
Ah, Mike, you want to go first?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (06:49):
I mean it was.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
It was.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
It was, you know it was.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
It was a bog standard bio pic from the from
the producers of uh Bohemian rhaps another boxtended biopic and
starring uh A, a an actor who does an an
uncanny version of the subject. Look, I I wanted a

(07:17):
little more out of this, you know.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I feel like I feel like this is like a
big budget.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Like, yeah, I don't know, I wanted more out of it.
Michael Jackson is Michael Jackson is a very unique person.
I think they got that down. But I want to
see the musical genius how a musical genius thinks. And yeah,

(07:45):
I wish the movie kind of delved into the man's
psyche a bit as as they know it. I think
what I need is a Michael Jackson documentary where you.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Know we are.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
Because he's he's a very he's a very fascinating person.
He Michael Jackson was the biggest star in the world.
And I don't know if I don't know if a movie,
like I don't think this movie conveyed how big Michael
Jackson actually was.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Like those crowd shots didn't convey I don't think it
was past they didn't. I should have had like super
wide crowd shots. Stadium is like it was nothing.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Right, Like like I mean, you you see people like
passing out, you would think, like Michael Jackson got bigger
reactions than the pope in the Vatican, you know what
I'm saying. Like he was he was a worldwide phenomena.
And you know, a lot has been made about how

(08:54):
the movie doesn't delve into, you know, a lot out
of a lot of the stuff that he probably did.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Like let's just be fucking honest.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
But I did not go into this movie effecting that. Look,
Michael Jackson is a problem, like fave Man, he is,
Like I don't can don't knowne the shit that he
is accused of and probably did. But goddamn it, like
smooth criminal comes on, I'm fucking dancing.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
I.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
Am the uh so, yeah, you go to it for
this incredible performance by the two actors that play Michael
Jackson and and you listen to this music. And I
saw this in theaters and it was I mean like
hearing that music with all that with all that sound

(09:49):
and everything from the theaters just kind of like that.
Me and my wife were dancing in our chairs, man
like it was dope.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
It was a nostalgia hit.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
It did what it was supposed to do, and I
it was gonna make a ton of fucking money. The
sequel business. They're talking about a sequel.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Wouldn't recommend it, really wouldn't recommend it.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
I don't know, because that makes sense.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
It gets to it gets to the movie stops at
eighty eight, you're gonna go to ninety three, because then
that's it, Like do you stop?

Speaker 5 (10:23):
You stopping it?

Speaker 1 (10:24):
The next to ninety three, you do what's the next
big video? The black and white video? And then you
cut that shit off. It's like the.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Making of black and white.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
We're done. That was interesting, remember the time?

Speaker 6 (10:37):
You know, Yeah, that's it, that's it. You get up
to dangerous and then and then that's it any further
and it's dangerous, Like you don't want to talk about this,
no thanks, So you know, if you just and here's
the thing. If you want to, like, you could just

(10:58):
turn off some Michael Jackson music if you just want
to hear Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
But I was going through his fucking discography, Dan, it's
pretty good, man.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
So if you.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
Yeah, like, if you want to, if you want just
like a if you just know what you're getting into
and not expecting, Like I was a little disappointed because
I didn't get like like Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, he
started the rise as the popularity of the music video
started to started the rise, and he made like many

(11:35):
movies for his videos, for his songs, and they were events.
And you know, I wish the film kind of delved
into that, especially because this is a movie, right like
the movie the Michael Jackson biopic, I wish could have
delved into the many movies.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
That Michael Jackson did, and they touched on it right, right.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
Michael Jackson brought the crips and the bloods together and
ended and violence. It doesn't really happen in real life, guys.
It definitely happened exactly. Like.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
That's another that's another.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
Thing that that that really bothered me about the movie.
Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson was music, musical Jesus in this
movie and nobody is that infallible nobody And you know,
like that's but again, you you know, if you know
what you're getting into and you want to hear some

(12:29):
Michael Jackson music. Have you seen Thriller forty the documentary?
Want to showtime? No, I haven't seen it. That's probably
what I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Actually watch that. I mean, it's just just about Thriller.
It's just about that album. But they actually talk about
the the Thriller video and John Landis is in it.
I mean, you know, okay, how many kids? Yeah, hey,
they interview him and now it's a good documentary and
that that's album sold one hundred million copies or some

(13:04):
ship like that. It's like insane.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
All right, let's let's know, we all have decent like, hey,
it's fine for what it is. Let's go to the
hater out of the fore ust go ahead, ship on
me this black Man's legacy.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
I'm probably I'm probably the biggest mant of Michael Jackson fan.
Out of the four of us. I loved Michael Jackson.
Y'all have no idea. I mean, I was I just
up as Michael for a talent show. Jerry Currowwig trying

(13:45):
to do it first. It was terrible. Go ahead. I'm
appreciate it. I put it off better than you.

Speaker 6 (13:49):
Know you did not, damn it. I wish I had
that photo you I guarante to you.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
I guess, but I do.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
So.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
I mean, look, I live like a hop skip put
a jump from when Michael Jackson is resting in Joe
Jackson too, So.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
That'd be weird, would it be? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:26):
I say that, but I well, I think if you
if you just want to see Michael everyplay Michael Jackson's
greatest hits and see them recreate Thriller and Jaffari Jackson
recreate Thriller and it don't stop too good enough and
stuff like that, then you're gonna have an amazing time

(14:48):
with this movie. I wanted something a little bit more.
I wanted to learn something new about Michael or see
things that we that we may know but have it
but hasn't really been explored. I would have even been

(15:10):
okay if they just took like a sub section of
Michael's solo career and just focused on that, because it
did feel a little rushed at times for me, and
some things just didn't didn't Land like his relationship with
like Barry Gordy, and Lorenz Tate is playing Barry Gordy.
He looks just like him, by the way, Yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Is pretty accurate when I looked at Barry Gordy at
that time. Lane.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
Yeah, but they don't they don't really explore a lot
of that and just how influential Barry was to Michael's career.
There's no Diana Ross and she got because that that
actually got caught up from the movie. The allegations that
they don't go into late in the film is because
there is a clause from nineteen ninety four that they're

(15:52):
not able that they're not allowed to dramatize the that
court case from nineteen ninety three, so we're never going
to see that. But it was originally included in it,
and by the time they found I'm sorry, by the
time they found out, they had already filmed, and they

(16:13):
had to spend like ten million dollars doing reshoots. So
that's why it feels a little clunky. I thought too far.
Jackson was great. I there were times where I was like,
oh my god, he sounds she was like his uncle.
And then times I was like, no, that's definitely someone
playing Michael. I would have to say, because I needed
to go back to watch the other the Jackson's in
American Dream mini series after that, and it spent like

(16:36):
half the day watching it. But if you remember, used
to come in all the time on like vach one
and especially VH one, and I was like, this tells
a better story of the of the Jacksons included Michael.
And I think the actor who had played Michael at
the time, Wally Draper, looked so much like Michael at

(16:58):
that time or for the time he was who was
portray him did an excellent job that I think still
think that he is still the still portrays him a
little bit better, but Jafar did an excellent job as well.
I felt more connected to that story because it showed,
I think, the falls within the family, whereas in Michael,

(17:19):
the Jackson brothers are are nameless, like Randy's not even
in it. Janet doesn't exist, Reevey doesn't exist. Uh, it's
really just the other brothers. And you only know which
one is Tito because he's literally wearing a hat that
says Tito. I don't know which one. I don't know
which one is Jamae. I don't know which one is Jackie.
I don't know which one is Marlin. But even though

(17:40):
it's a Michael centric movie, even in the Jackson's series, right,
we all know it's about the family, but it's really
about Michael. So we all know Michael is a focal point,
but his relationship with his family is so integral into
and to him becoming the star. So like, even when
they're on the victory tour, I'm like, they were not
on cool, they were not cool. They were not on good
terms doing that tour. Like Michael was flying flying private

(18:04):
and and everybody else is flying commercial. Michael Michael said,
I didn't I don't need the man, give it, give
it to charity. Give it to charity. And his brothers
needed the money. So it's just like there there's so
much I think they could have done to show the
imperfections of Michael, but they kind of whittled him down
to this this this man who just likes to go

(18:24):
to like children's hospitals and reach stories and play with
this giraffe in bubbles, and they don't really delve into
like but Michael doesn't become Michael without being a bit
of a diva and I wanted to see.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, so I agree with that, Like they don't. They
show very little of his sort of shrewd business man.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, didn't he put the Beatles catalog at one point?

Speaker 5 (18:57):
No, it was like you, I'm buying out he did,
but he didn't. He did do that.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
He asked Paul McCartney, like, hey, who owns your to
make sure you're like you gotta make sure?

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah, right, And he was like, oh, we don't know him.
He was like that was an eighties He was like that.
He fucking went bottom right under them. He was shrewd
as fuck.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
He was.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
He was jack like and I don't think they really
and I don't think they really dubbed it like you
don't that.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
I'm not taking this one second because I had some
stuff about Joe Jackson and to portrayal Joe Jackson that look,
those realize don't say anything.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It's cool with you beating children folks A.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Success All I'm all I'm gonna say, is I Coleman
Domingo looked just like Joe. But I felt like Joe
was portrayed in here as a one note villain. And
then you go back to the Jackson's American Dream miniseries, which,
by the way, that mini series was done by the
family too. Jermaine Jackson was a producer in it. What
if his sons was in it playing Jermaine, But it's

(20:09):
based off of Yeah. One of one of the younger
versions of Jermaine is uh plays Uh Please, is played
by his son, and that movie is based off of
Catherine's book of her family. So which is why that
one felt a little bit more grounded to me, And
the portrayal of Joe felt grounded. Look, Lawrence Lauria's Lawrence
Haill Jacobs, that's my Joe. Look, I know you like

(20:35):
look he was he was. They were rich and famous,
live in California, and he was ready to beat them
with the switch for leaf for leaving towels in the
pool until Casm told him to go to bed. And
but like I feel like Lawrence Hill and Jacob's portrayal
of that, it showed Joe as a as an asshole.
That man didn't even want to go to his daughter's wedding.

(20:56):
It's it's it's that your brothers are booked so they
can't come to your wedding. And I don't approve. He
threatened to kick out his sons for getting married, and
to the point where Michael didn't like the fact that
his brothers were getting married because they were breaking up
the family. But even then, the way he portrayed it,
it was always with a twinge of like, I'm hard
on them, probably too hard on them, because I don't

(21:18):
want them to end up in a stel meal like me.
I don't want to end up on the streets. I
want to end up in jail. And Katherine was there
being like, get too hard on them. You gotta ease up,
and Joe was like, no, Katie, no, they gotta get
it right. They know second places here I wanted I
was out of here, and I'm like, man, that you're
an asshole, but I can I can understand why you

(21:40):
did what you did. It doesn't make it okay at
all at all. But but I feel like in the
Michael movie, Joe is just a straight up villain and
being like yeah, I mean villain, yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Right.

Speaker 7 (22:03):
I was like.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Jesus, So I was so like, they're like in this movie,
they're like they're like they're like yeah, But when it
is me, I know michaelmost died because the hair caught
on fire, but was gonna perform. And then in the
other movie it's like, yeah, michaelmost died. He's like, but
that's my son at the end of the day. So look,
Joe's an asshole in a villain. But I just feel

(22:26):
like this movie made him a little bit too one
note and I was like, okay, especially like when you
hear how they talk about him as an adult, very nuanced,
very They're still like, yeah, he was too hard on us,
and no we couldn't call him dad, except except for
his side side child. His love child got to call
him dad, but not them. But still they understood what

(22:46):
it was as as Jane says, as Jen said, it
was effective. It got the job done. Take how you work.
He's like, well, I mean, but otherwise I think I like,
I enjoyed. I definitely joyed parts of this. I love
the fact that they covered the whole MTV thing because
that's something that hasn't been in any other adaptation of
Michael's life. I think I just wish it was a

(23:08):
little bit more deaf to it. I think it's for
a part two. I feel like, if you're if you're
going to do a part two. Then you have to
do the trials, and I think the state, which I
think is run by his lawyer, John Branca, I think
Paris in Paris and Catherine as well. I don't know

(23:30):
how much they want to delve into that without completely
sanitizing it.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
All.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
No, she didn't, she said when she said, like, this
is very Hollywood. The people who are gonna love and
I love it. When I was like, she was absolutely right.
She was right. So I would prefer I would prefer
a documentary if I wanted to learn something new about Michael,
if I wanted to hear testimonies his from his living

(24:01):
family members. I think this was just a bit of
it felt like a bit of a cash grab. I
think Janet not being in it is very interesting. She
was like, I don't want to, but don't be a
ship like she doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Bailey was supposed to be her, right, I don't know
was supposed to be Janet. I think they filmed her
parts and then she was like, fuck you, I don't
want to be in this. So if it took him.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Out, but that's how I feel. It was fine. I
had a good time. It was but look, Jackson's American
Dream still brings supreme for me.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
So it sounds like we're all in a great.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, something like that. I feel like we're not giving enough.
I feel like we're not giving enough deference to the
flex version. But it's fine.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I don't know the name of that.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Nobody does.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Man in the mirror, I see it.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
I've seen it. I've seen it several times. I don't
need to see it. I've seen images.

Speaker 6 (25:06):
You are a bigger Michael Jackson fan than the rest
of us, because Jesus Christ every seven multiple time.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
I've seen it several times. It is not good. It
makes me. It makes me laugh because it's so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
That was a comedy.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Okay, No, it wasn't supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Oh should have been. I mean, i've seen the makeup.
Are you sure spent? Should look like a joke to me.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
So we'll just jump around a bit, just because you know,
we're doing all of this from memory. And uh so
the movie starts in let's say, nineteen sixty six, Gary, Indiana,
and well, you see like a young Michael by the way,
like Terrence said, like the kid who plays young Michael
excellent casting, and he was he was really really good,

(25:56):
Like he did a really really good job. You see
come into being go is Joe Jackson, and he's basically
like they're they're desperate to try to He's trying to
get the boys to like kind of get their act together,
like they're they're very early into kind of being a band.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
But at this point, you know, Michael is obviously Michael.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, even though yeah, he says he has to lie
about his age later on. But it's interesting because I
remember hearing a story about Michael Jackson in that like
all of his brothers were singers or musicians or what
have you, and his dad was like, all right, cool,
were like we're going to.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
Do this thing.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
And it wasn't until his mother heard Michael singing like
in his bedroom alone, and she was like, Joe, you
need to like you need to go listen to it,
like he can actually sing. Joe Jackson's like, a I
get the fuck out of here. And then he actually
listened to him. He's like, oh shit, I can make
money off this little nigger.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
Then he got his belt and then he beats success
into his children.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Did you know that Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Rents were
all born in nineteen fifty eight. They're all the same
fucking age. That's crazy.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
Yeah, and that's a lot of talent in one year.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
The childhood back back in the day, not so much now.
But according to Michael later on, it wasn't just about
it was a electrical chord and a stick and other
things now used. Side was the electric Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
My mom used to threaten to beat but with an
extension of chord, and my stupid ass thought I'd get
electrocuted when I got beat.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
That's what it's. She never never had your grandmother tell
you to go get a switch off the tree in
the yard. She never used it. She just told me
to get to switch and you had to go and
get like the smallest. Actually you don't get us. You
don't get a thin one because that thing bends and
it leaves like welts. Yeah, I was getting one a
slightly thicker and that moves through the air too fast.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
There's not a lot of I don't know what any
of this she didn't like. She didn't.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
She didn't beat us because she beat her fucking kids,
which they they were younger by that time. She had
gotten all the beats out of her, out of her system.
So like she treated her grand grand babies like you know,
that's what grand past do. It was a threat that
was you know, they put you in line when no

(28:25):
it didn't.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
Still a bit of an asshole as a kid, that
makes sense, that's true.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
So yeah, we see the family.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
They're all having dinner and and basically Michael gets in
trouble because they come home from doing a performance and
he's like Joe Jackson is like all right, cool, like that.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
That was all right, good performance.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Now again, Michael is eight, and he's like, all right,
I'm gonna go to bed because you know it's late
at night, dad, and you know, I'm eight.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
And Joe's like, now we got to rehearse. And he
was like I'm going to bed.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Joseph and he was like get your over and he
beat him with a bell, which is fucked up. Again
he was eight and oh sorry.

Speaker 5 (29:11):
One thing, one thing they didn't really touch on is
the fact that they that the boys had to perform
in adult clubs when they were children. Yeah, I mean they.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Didn't just kind of glossed over that they showed them
in the clubs, but like, yeah, that's a.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Little week and uh and how and uh other interviews,
Michael later on as an adult, said that his brothers
would hook up with women while he and his other brother,
young other brother who has brought his age, were in
the room.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Did you want to see that in this movie? No?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
But I know, but that's what I'm saying. No, what
I'm saying is like they they don't really go into
they didn't show they don't show us more about why
he was the way he was, and I feel like
all those things exactly.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think they kind of got that
with beating the eight year old within ten minutes of
the movie, though, is what I'm saying. You know what
I mean, Like I understand that you know you want
there you know a lot of detail.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
How long was that mini How long was that mini series?

Speaker 5 (30:26):
It was? It was an hour?

Speaker 1 (30:29):
An hour for.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
It was? It was it was a sound two or
three seasons.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
Well, the fact that you are not answering the question
what I understand you wanted like hours, yes, but this
was literally half the time.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
I know. But what I'm saying is what I'm saying,
if if you're going to do a Michael movie, I
would rather them show us things, spend more time on
things that we don't know, rather than just him being
be bossed ball. We know that, like you can less.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Time that I understand, I I really do. But I
don't need to see your majesty or whoever getting hooked
up with with with well, I just wanted to say.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Dry majesty because it's a funny.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
I didn't need to see I don't need to see
his brother's Uh you know, trust me, I understand. I
am one hundred percent with you in that this movie
is not a very good comprehensive view of Michael Jackson.
Even a comprehensive view of his early life the twenty

(31:39):
years that it spans is not comprehensive. But at the
same time, like I'm not sitting here for four.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Hours watching watching a Michael Jackson movie in one sitting.
That's what a sequels for.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
And then yeah, and they're still barely probably gonna even
then they're.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
Not going to know, they're not going to because they
treat him like musical Jesus in this movie. Like I'm
trying to, I'm trying to look at this movie for
what it is and what it is not, Like we
could touch on the things that it is not, but
you know, I'm trying. I'm trying to I'm trying to, right,
I'm trying to look at this movie for what it is.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
It's a it's an easy it's an easy, enjoyable watch.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's easy, breezy, beautiful cover girl. Is this?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (32:33):
It is? It is, it is. It is meant to be. Hey, guys,
remember how much y'all love Michael Jackson. Well here you go,
that's it.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yeah, Like you like the music, we're gonna under bed.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
We're gonna under up until nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
And I agree with you. That does a disservice to
the subject and the viewer. I agree, but you know
it just for the sake of brevity, I don't know
if we should. Yeah, well, you know, Michael Jackson didn't
have his hair.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Like that when he was that age.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
He didn't. I mean, no one said that. Yeah, you know,
I can't wait till we get to the note to
the to the nose part, because that has I had
something to say about that too. Wow, why you wanted
you wanted his his father to beat him more? Come on?

(33:28):
I was surprised. I don't know what I will say,
is there there was like a line that I was
a bit of throwaway and I was, oh, never mind,
here we go. But Joe talked about his big nose?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Did he said big nose? I'm like, okay, like ship
like that.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
That's the stuff that I don't like about this movie.
That's the stuff that I just do not like about
this movie. Like, oh, do you have fid Eliza, don't worry.
A lot of people have it. It's very common. They
don't you know any.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
It isn't it isn't it.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
It's more common than people they like, shut the fuck up.
But like I don't like, do you want to Michael,
you should take some pain medication.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I don't like pain medication. I don't want to get addicted.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
I know, you don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
You never know what might happen.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
Like you know what, Like we get it, we get it,
we get it, we get it.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Movie.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Like that's the stuff, Like, that's the stuff about this
movie that I cannot dann that the movie.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Does a lot of like Iron Man two, Hey, this
is Captain America's shield sitting under this thing.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
I wonder what it's for.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
You're like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (34:46):
We know?

Speaker 6 (34:47):
Like like you're trying just trying to You're trying to
let con some of the ship that Michael Jackson did
that you knew was bad, and it's like, Yo, you
don't have to do that, Yo, it would just have
to it would just get and doing that is and
doing that as a very dangerous president to say, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, you've already said it.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
He was. He was an invincible musical genius in this
in this movie. So he literally just never did he
never did anything wrong.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
He was always like Johnny on the Spot with like
the nicest moments, which is Look, I I don't doubt that.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
Some of that is true. All of it is true.
I know.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
I don't think that he's walking into I don't know,
some sort of makeshift garage where for some reason Bloods
and Crypts aren't already killing each other when he walks in,
they're all invited, and then he starts dancing, and they're
just like yeah, it's like a total like tough guy
dance I can't wait till to be a part of.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Seems a little odd to me, but that's how nah, yo.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
But like, look, some of those moments I was like, Okay,
did you see uh?

Speaker 5 (36:08):
Seems a little hot you see. Uh. Snoop told a
story of Michael putting up the cript sign when they
did the Way You Make Me Feel, and and how
they were like They're like, Michael, what was gerious? I'm
not gonna do it, and and like and they were
like they were like, really, Michael.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Do you think that after this movie that when they
were like, oh man, she would you do another one?
That someone was like, no, this is it?

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Damn it.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Fuck you.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Despite my complaints, this movie is a solid four point
five out of five for me.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Look, that's weird, Like I wouldn't be able to tell
with all those off the wall comments you'd been making
about it.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
We can move on, please, Oh okay, I can't help it.

Speaker 6 (37:12):
All right, all right, yeah, look I just say anyway,
sure of him? There is I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Wa Joe Jackson just got finished beaten on Michael forward
like the fourth time within the first ten minutes, Jesus.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
And so then Michael like they they get a woman
who comes over I forget her name. She comes over
to see Michael perform. She is from Motown, was.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
In the past. I'm not mistaken, right, I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yes, And you know she says she's from Motown and
Joe Jackson you could literally see the the dollar signs
in his eyes. He's like, oh shit, let's get this money.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
Look and I look. I agree.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Colman Domingo's voice doesn't match Joe Jackson's, but his that
sort of demeanor of he looks like a villain, because
Joe Jackson literally looked like a villain, like and just
that like I don't give a fuck. Money is the
only thing that matters to me. Like he he gives
off that vibe very very well. I thought he played
it pretty well. Then we see you know, Michael Jackson,

(38:32):
you know, recording as a kid, and he's you know,
he literally can't keep his feet still because he's dancing
the whole time he's singing, which they they bring back
later on you know as a as a as a trope.
There's a lot of like Michael sitting with his mother
in this movie and sort of like hey, I wish

(38:53):
I could be a kid, a regular kid kind of thing.
And he never gets those you know, those moments. Again,
it's a very message kind of heavy scene, like he
never got to be a kid. That's why I always
want to hang out with kids. It's like, why don't
we just stop right there? But I'm like, let's not
go any for esther. It's a bit weird. So like
they really make you they're really trying to work to

(39:14):
make him like very much a victim in a in
a lot of ways. Like really he was in a
lot of ways too, I mean he was, he was abused.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
They're really trying to whitewash his legacy, but they're they're
trying to whitewash the part that nobody had a problem with,
right that's.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Yeah, yeah, I Mean the funny thing is the movie
is always moving towards this idea of him building and
living at Neverland Ranch, right like that, that is clearly
the thing Peter, you know, Peter Pan is his favorite
story and all this sort of stuff, And he's always
opening the book and they're showing this sort of splash page.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
Of Neverland and they never get to that in the movie.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
But they don't get to it because that's exactly when
all the.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
Shit starts going down. I'm gonna start having kids come
over without their parents. Excuse me, never mind, we're not
gonna talk about it.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Like, I don't understand why you like stop foreshadowing that,
because all it does is remind me of all of
the accusations of what happened there. Like, it's a very
bizarre choice to make that as it's like this point,
that's like it's coming, the abuse is coming, Like why
are you doing that?

Speaker 5 (40:24):
Like it's it's it's weird. I was talking to.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Brad from Look Forward yesterday and and he was like,
Michael Jackson might be the truest example of someone being
so popular that most people separate the art from the artist,
where like there's no other musician like, hey, r Kelly
did these terrible things. I'm like, I don't ever need
to listen to you remind me of my jeep, Like

(40:49):
I just don't ever need to listen to it. But
like I'm like, it's I can't imagine not listening to
music that was incredibly you know, popular in my youth.
And also this niggas shot nothing but net for thirty
five years, you know what I mean. It's like his
catalog is so extensive. Both people are like, yeah, that

(41:10):
shit fucked up ahead, why do you think that is?
Why do you think people can't.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
Well, I think for him, I think it's just because
he is the most popular musician of all time, Like
when we can have this conversation now people are like, oh, well,
I think Taylor Swift is at Michael Jackson's level or Beyonce,
They're not none of them and they know that. And

(41:42):
they said this crackhead is the second coming to Michael
dance dance and crackheads Chris Brown round out dance, Michael Jackson,
are you all cracked? Like what are you talking about there?

Speaker 5 (41:57):
It would be like.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Chris Brown without Michael Jackson, not Gonnall.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
What is that Michael?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
So?

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Like, was it what you saying here? At a hundred
many Coleby's a thriller? And in the eighties, like no streaming,
no no social media people people, that was when you
had to go to the store and line up to
buy to buy an album, and you were dedicated. I
mean there were there were places where you know, there
was hardly any NTV and they knew who Michael was.

(42:23):
Even to this day. I think I think I've read
something about like how China was extending the release of
this movie because it was because it's so popular and
they and it's not that they just don't do like
he's still the biggest star in the world.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
That's another reason why this movie is so sanitized by
the way to to Trro's point, money money, money.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Money, money, right, they're not trying to fuck the money up. Well,
and that's it.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
And that's the thing is when Michael Jackson was at
his biggest or even across the thirty five years, it
was a monoculture, right, Like you didn't have so many
options to go listen to to music in so many
different places. You either you either had albums or you
listened on the radio. Like that was really kind of it.

(43:11):
Like now you have streaming where you like you can
be so compartmentalized in a genre of music that you
could just never hear like there are major artists. People
are like, have you heard fucking Lord, you know, little
Shorty shit Pants or whatever.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Almost it's like I've never heard of these people, and
they're like they sold a millionaire. I've never heard of
these people because of streaming, Like you just don't and
I don't listen to the radio because the radio fucking stinks,
Like you just don't have to listen to whatever mainstream
music is. Like, So it's like when people say, how
is it that like the series finale of mash is

(43:46):
like one of the biggest you know, watch TV programs ever,
right because there was only three or four fucking channels.
Like so it's like you could be ABC, NBC or CBS, Nigga, Like,
I don't know what else to tell you, Like you
had to watch one of those three. So when the
world is just smaller, yeah, there, and it's never going
to be that way. So Beyonce is just not going

(44:07):
to be heard by billions of people around the world,
right Well. Jackson, on the other hand, everybody knows Thriller.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Is still the best selling album of all time. That
album came out forty five forty some years ago, still
the best selling ye for forty three years.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
I mean, so any any conversation about any artist is
on Michael Jackson's level. You're not that dude stood on
stage for five minutes and people passed the fuck.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
Out and we're screaming and shit, he came, dance.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Didn't do just just stood there like a fucking superhero
and had people losing their goddamn minds.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
It just doesn't happen.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Yeah, so yeah, please stop the conversations of is someone
else better?

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Than him, No, and there would and there would never
be one another one like that, Like that really is
like ad in this world, like that he was a
truly once in lifetime talent and the fact that he's
been dead seventeen years almost and so you have kids
now teenagers, near adults who are growing up not truly

(45:13):
understanding it, but still loving him anyway.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, they made his music available on TikTok and like
twenty twenty one, and people were doing dances and to
all that stuff. But it was like there was like
the number one videos on TikTok for months, people just
dancing to Michael Jackson bit songs because these kids just
now like learn who the fuck he was? Which again
to me, what are these parents doing, Like if you

(45:39):
don't know what the fuck again this is? This is
a situation where like you got to separate the here
from the heartist. You don't know who Michael Jackson is
by the time you're like five, your parents need we
have CPS called on him because they're doing it wrong.
I'm sorry, Like, who the fucked the fuck?

Speaker 6 (45:53):
Man?

Speaker 4 (45:53):
You shouldn't know My five daughter, My daughter loves the
remember of the time, well, she likes the song.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
But she loves that fucking video video. She was just born.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, she's almost seven today. Yeah, so you know, like again,
his music videos were events starting with Thriller. Yeah, Look,
everybody's a Michael Jackson fan. Some people are gonna be like,
fuck that dude now nowadays, like the younger generation, they's

(46:25):
gonna hear about all the bad ship he did. And
I get it right, allegedly, you know, Michael says he
did it. I don't. I don't believe white people, so
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until until further.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
What I mean, Look, that's enough of an argument for
me to change my mind.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
I will say there there there are people who've broken
down both of those cases and have found very interesting
holes in some of them. I don't know, like but
that's but you know what, though I don't think the

(47:09):
Jackson family, I don't think this this movie should have
the responsibility to do that. I just because I don't
trust them to do it in a way that's gonna
make people try to see both sides or try to
see it with more nuanced and probably than most people
talk about it. So that's I think that I think
someone independent will have to do that where they can

(47:29):
really dig through those those cases and give it the
justice that deserves. Yeah. I mean the thing is.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
By the family doing that to you to your point,
and I think it's a correct one by the family
taking taking that on in like a potential sequel. Let's
just say, again, I don't know. Do do I think
he is possibly guilty of stuff?

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Yeah? Just so fucking lately I do that.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Being said, let's say it's one hundred percent for that
he did what he was accused of. You're gonna make
a movie where you're kinda kind of like be like
maybe the kids are lying?

Speaker 6 (48:10):
Feels like a bad fucking idea, Like it feels like
a really terrible choice to be like did they did
they tell the truth though?

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Those fucking lying.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Ass kids, And you're like, is this really the side
you want to be on with this? Like it feels
like this nigga's dead. You made damn near seven hundred
million dollars with this movie. Let it go, like you
gotta you got away with it, just stop before like
this money grubbing thing ends up like boomeranging and making

(48:40):
people really angry at you and your family all over again.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
Like it's it's just not worth it. It's just not
worth it. And to by the way, to terms his
earlier point Thriller sold fifty one point three million albums
or copies. The closest number two is ACDC Back in Black,
and that's only thirty one point two million. No one

(49:04):
is catching that, dude.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
It's not like they were like, oh, Michael Jackson's fifty
one point three and they're like fifty point seven or whatever,
Like I was like, pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
No, you're not even close. They're not even close. Michael
Jackson inspired. Uh, people don't even really understands Michael Jackson.
He is actually the first K pop idol because k
pop k pop is rife with Michael Jackson to the
point where sometimes I'm like, Okay, look, I get it.
I bet you are basically wearing the glove and you

(49:35):
are like two seconds away of doing from doing like
he he in your music videos. I get it. You
love him, But that's that's how big he was. There's
a whole musical genre that emulates emulates him, and some
of these kids are born in two thousand and five
and six, so dead, what does a.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
What does a Korean he he sound like?

Speaker 5 (49:55):
Don't do that. Don't do that, he'll do that'll do that.
Here gonna ask so you are an ad.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
That's right, you don't sit in my head. Yeah, you
know what.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
It's like, let's move on, let's move on. No, you
know what, I apologize, I got that wrong. The number
two great album is the Eagles their greatest hits. I
fucking hate the Eagles. By the way, two millions forty
three point two million, still a significant difference, not as
much as as I said before, but yeah, no. They
also are the third highest, with Hotel California, uh, selling

(50:33):
thirty three point eight which I feel like all of
the Eagles hits are Hotel California, so like it's just ones.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
I don't know any of their other songs.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Yeah, exactly because the Eagles fucking suck man. Nobody who
likes them. Apparently a lot of people for some reason,
it's too many white people in the country as whatever,
How is this possible? So yeah, it's it's not gonna
get beat. That number is just I just don't see
a modern, modern group.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
And people still buy it, by the way, like it's
it's still as you said, fifty three, but it's at
seventy million at the least, and some estimates around one
hundred million, because it's forty three years old and people
will still buy it like on vinyl and like that.
But when it first came out, Yeah, that's still fifty
three million copies. The fuck that's insanity. Yeah, it's it's

(51:22):
absolutely jo. What's your favorite Michael Johns's Diamond Huh album?

Speaker 6 (51:28):
What's your favorite Michael Jackson album?

Speaker 5 (51:33):
We Wanna Be All Day? Oh? Man, that's so hard. Fuck.
I mean I could say Thriller, I could say Dangerous. Definitely,
not invincible. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who
bought the Blood on the dance floor.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
No, I have blood on the dance floor. I fine, whatever,
not my favorite. I really love Liberian Girl.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Oh what album is that on? All right? Nigga?

Speaker 5 (52:12):
I mean but also just good Friends, he wonders on
the album to I but but but Dangerous has the
Free Willy song, which which inspired my career. So I
just that's just really florious. Why did you say that
out loud? So sad? He's got the free WILLI song?
Is that where he jumps over the kid? Yeah? I mean,

(52:34):
like I don't that's not a fair question. I have
stayed no, Yo, no is it that? I mean? I
would say, I would say there is another part of

(52:55):
me that really.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
Right?

Speaker 5 (53:00):
What is wrong with John? So what is wrong? Oh
my god, there's a cramp in my stomach. Owl.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Good.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
Good, that's what you deserve.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
That's what you what's your what's your what's your puns?

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:19):
So it's bad. That's a good album. Man, all right,
it's bad. She don't want to say it, but it's bad.
We can move on. Speed Demon is a skip for me.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
That's a ski. By the way.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
The music in this, the music in this, I don't
know if you guys heard this. I thought it was
pretty interesting. So any of the scenes that they did
not have actual audio recording of Michael Jackson, like during
rehearsals and things like that, Jaffar Jackson is singing for real,
like that's that's him.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Any of the big concert sees.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
All right.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
So so any of the big concert scenes and things
like that that they do have formal recordings of, Jaffar
Jackson is singing. He's the anchor of the of the song,
but they blended it with Michael Jackson singing it. So
like you know, any of those kind of like probably
like really high, like very specific styles of Michael Jackson,
Like it's actually blended with him, so you still get

(54:17):
like that's why it sounds so similar to him, but
like just slightly off, which is kind of an interesting thing.
And apparently I looked at I watched an interview with
the I guess the the guy who handled the music
for it, and he was basically saying like they didn't
use any AI or whatever, like they they did it.
They did the blending themselves, which I thought was pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
So that's cool. Oh my god, that was like the
worst crime ever. Thank you Michaeh for causing that. It
really hurt. I guess I answer your question, how me
get the slight edge to bed?

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Wow? That's really that hard to agree with me.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
I mean honestly, I thought I thought Off the Wall.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
Was your favorite Michael Jackson. Now no, that's mine.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
Maybe dangerous. I may have to go to dangerous to
like add some variety to this. We can't we have
we can't all have the same.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yo.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
That crack was so bad it made me want to
scream dangerous, dangerous?

Speaker 6 (55:12):
Is I feel like I feel like you had that crap?

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Just that no y'all know, like that ship hurt. It
was like, oh oh wow, all right, all.

Speaker 6 (55:29):
Right, anyway, so we we see we see a scene
what is he's recording.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
I think he's recording like want to be starting something,
which is a dope, which is which is dope because
you get you get the scene of him singing like
the lyrics that you can't he's got his hands on
so you can't hear the actual music. And then they
were like, all right, let's turn off the music, and
then you get the blend of the the actual music together,

(56:00):
which is which is fucking dope. And they showed the
music video for and stuff like that, which is Yeah,
it's really good. His his ability to just mimic exactly
Michael Jackson's movements is it's just fucking crazy.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
It is incredibly impressive. I forget his bodyguard's name that
Joe hires for him, who is.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Bill Bray That it looks exactly like his body that's
also really good casting. He looks exactly like him.

Speaker 6 (56:31):
Like it it's because fucking twin like they they give
oscars out for casting.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Now, I mean this has got to be nominated.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Oh ship he really does. He really does. That's crazy
like that that could have been like his father, like
I mean.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Kind of was like yeah, you know, I mean there's
a big part of this their relationship that is, Hey,
Michael Jackson, his dad's a piece of ship. This guy
is a decent father figure. And like they do that
with Barry Gordy to some extent too, Yeah, which is
which is good.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Then we see Michael Jackson.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Bought a monkey because uh, as we learned on the
last episode of TFP, people are obsessed with monkeys for
some fucking movies.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
The some dumb fuck reason people like monkeys. I don't.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
I don't like chimpanzees are dangerous.

Speaker 6 (57:30):
Was still alive too, Yeah, yeah, Bubbles off liveing Michael
Jackson know the fuck.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
Yeah, Bubbles is like forty Okay, that's that's fucking on.
You know, they're they're really great clips of uh Eddie
Murphy and Chris Talker talking about their encounters with Bubbles
and how Michael would say, don't go over there, don't
go near the cage.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
Because it'll rip your fucking face off just right, like
capable of they will fuck you.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
So then we see we see a scene Michael gets
a nose job. Then he comes home and Joe Joe
sees that he that he got the nose job, and
you know, he's like, he doesn't convey a sense of like,
hey man, this is sad and like I love you son,

(58:30):
like nothing.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
He's like, okay, can I Joseph like and then that's
just like that's it.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
And of course they don't touch on the point that
Joe Jackson was fucked up because then he got the
same weird ass nose job too, the whole fucking family did.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
So they're thinking, mad, what the fuck was that?

Speaker 6 (58:47):
I don't get it selfie, selfie.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I mean, I guess, but all of them is this,
I don't know what the fuck you mean? Jackson guy
going on now days? That motherfucker just you're wearing just
like asphalt paint in his hair. Shit is weird. Man,
I don't get.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
What the hell's wrong with I don't know what you're talking.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Possibly think you look good.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
And also I do wonder if es WI play if
it's played into their choice of partners later in life,
like after their first marriages, because I know the first
marriages were the black women for the most part, but
but they're they're partners. Now. Look, not trying to be
all doctor Umar, but you know I can't help. But yes,

(59:35):
well not not not not all snow monies, but they're
just not not black, right, I mean, and it's like
all of them. Yeah, I mean a billion what she did?
You made deprix for a long time and she wouldn't
have kids with him. So I guess you.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Still not understanding how that worked. I just do not
understand it, like a fucking elf. No, very strong and
you know, love what you love.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
I guess like me shorter than her, and she's not
pretty shorter than everyone.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
So yes, any the answers, Yes, I mean it's just
to me, I guess it's really it's really weird, but
I guess it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
It's not particularly that surprising that they all ended up
with partners that weren't black. I mean, they didn't like
the way they looked like. They just quite literally didn't.
And so and then you know, there's a lot of
the Hollywood ship of what success looks like, especially in
that era where you know, being married or dating white

(01:00:37):
women or what have you. Right, So they that it
wouldn't make sense for them to kind of gravitate.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
I would say it's really considering how much how much
they love and respect their mother and how and how
much they revere her. It's just it is. It is interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Well no, but okay, I don't think that has anything
to do I don't think that has to do it.
I think this sort of self hate was kind of
beaten into quite literally beaten into them.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
Yeah, like they don't like themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
And like I don't think Joe Jackson kind of liked
himself either, right, So he's just taking this sort of violent.

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
Aspect to them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
And I think your parents is beating on you and
telling you ain't shit by then also pushing you into
quote unquote greatness. That's gotta fuck with your head man,
of course, Like what is what is my value as
a person? Well, I gotta be something's wrong, right, It's
not my voice because obviously that's making us money.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
It's got to be something look in my face or whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
Like Michael, it's really a handsome guy, like you see
young pictures of him before.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
So LaToya was really pretty. I mean Janet, Janet was
still I think Rebe looks. Rebe looks still looks you know, normal,
but It's funny if you watch like some of Jana's
interviews when she's talking about Joe and how but she
is even as a very forty some think are a
woman talk about our dad? It's like, oh girl, mmm, yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Just fucking sad.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
There there's a I don't know if you've ever seen that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
That image it was like from from an It was
like an article in nineteen eighty five. It was portraits
of the stars and they were like it was it
was taking what they thought Michael Jackson would look like
in the future, and he basically like he looked the same,
it just kind of like a slightly cooler haircut. And
then it's like you see pictures of him like in
the two thousands, and you're like, that's really fucking sad. Like, yeah,

(01:02:33):
he's a handsome guy and he just had his life
ruined because his father was jealous of him or hated
himself or hated his kids or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
I like, who can who can say?

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
I think he wanted to be a star too. I
think he was also like in a group.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Oh well then that makes sense and.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
It and it just didn't work out. Yeah, well you
use a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
So he was living vicariously through his kids and m hm,
you again beat success into them and beat his youngest
son into becoming the most popular person on the planet,
which I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Good jobs is still the way you did it was
super fucked up, and you cause all kind of psychological
damage in the process, but you know, mission accomplish, Nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I guess I.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Feel I feel like he could have probably still been
very successful without all of the violence. But I don't know.
I don't think the belt actually propelled him quite physically
into stardom.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
I mean, I mean, Marlin got it worse than Michael,
like he's Michael said that that that Marlon used to
get a really bad, really bad by Joseph and that,
and that by the time Randy LaToya came I'm not Randy,
Randy and Janet came along because they were the two youngest,
like they got it easier, but they were still really strict.

(01:04:00):
But like Joe, Joseph was kind of tired.

Speaker 6 (01:04:04):
Yeah, it's like all right, all right, all right, like
just just go over there, go go over there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
And he was probably too busy worrying about trying to
make money with all these kids, the other kids and
then Jim Jackson was like, go ahead and make my
career while not getting beat on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
So thanks for that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
So you know, we see we see a couple of
scenes like again Michael, Michael's like, hey, I bought Twister.
He goes like, I didn't realize how long he lived
with his parents like that, that's a that that's like
one of the things I just never thought about, Like
he lived with his parents.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
For a long time into his career. It felt like,
uh mm hmm, I think two, he's two. He's like thirty,
of course, thirty. Yeah, that's that's how long you lived
in that house. And that house is still in their family,
by the way, but no one lives there. Oh really
so just sitting there why, I mean, they all own

(01:04:59):
it like this, they are like they can use it,
but like no one just lives there right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Super strange.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
We see Michael gets gets a new Asian played by
Miles Teller. I can I don't remember the guy's name.
He was like, hey, I've got a jump Yeah yeah yeah.
He's like I have a job for you. Fire Joseph.
He's like quickly and they just fact that. Nigga was
like yeah, fire like Jesus Christ. It was just fucked
up a bit of a cowardly way of doing it.

(01:05:29):
But you know, it's not like Joe Jackson deserve respect,
so like I get it. Then Michael is like watching
a news report. This is this is like music Jesus
Jesus type of ship, and he's watching a news report
and they're like, gang violence is broken out in La.

(01:05:51):
The crips and the Bloods are killing each other. Michael's like,
I could do something about that, and so he's like
he arranges this meeting with the blood and crips again.
They're in like a garage together like these are these
are these are gang members? Like they would have killed
each other in there. And then Michael Jackson shows up

(01:06:12):
and he's like, oh, show me those dances you guys
were doing, and then they just like they they start
showing him like crip walking and ship and he's like,
oh shit, that's dope. And then they all come together
and he shows them dance moves for.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
A song he's working on. It's like, so that happened, yeah,
he technically he did it I really quick. He like
this like I want maybe like I wanted this movie
to kind of like when he's watching that news report,
he's working on Thriller and this is this was what

(01:06:52):
I was hoping this movie would do more of, like
to kind of get and and you know, I guess
technical this is it, but like it just it just
shows him like like like oh there is okay, yeah,

(01:07:13):
mama said Mama Sakusa, like he wrote it down like
it like I just I don't know, man, they they
they're YadA YadA in the most interesting parts that I
think this movie could.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Because it's the whole the documentary on that, but then.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
They don't.

Speaker 6 (01:07:34):
People already saw that but not this, like the yeah,
I don't know, I don't know, like you should actually
watch that. He was like, I want Thriller to be
the most popular I mean, mission accomplished. He was like,
I want this album to be the most popular album ever.
See what he said. He was like, funk that. I

(01:07:54):
don't I don't want to be good.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
I want to be great after fuking Off the Wall
because Off the Wall got kind of about to really
funck there like that, and he's like, this is a
good album, but like I want my next one just
to be I don't want anybody to fuck with it.
It's just this has got to be the best album ever.

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
Yeah, And like that inherently is interesting, like the the
the the psychology of a of a successful psychopath, you
know what I mean, like using cycle, like using psycho
ped for psychopathy for good, right, like like all the
people that we were vere right, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant,
Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
And they made it fucking conflicts in his head to be.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
That's what I'm saying, you know, like like that psycho behavior, yo,
Like that psychle behavior.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
I do that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
It's like versus my nemesis.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
I don't even know you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
And like like that stuff is super interesting to me. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
But uh no, he I mean he was just he
was incredibly driven, which I think they do do a
good job of kind of bringing that out. Like I mean,
especially even in this this beat it scene, right, Like
it is just wild to watch this dude performing this
and that, Like he's literally performing in front of gang

(01:09:10):
member show. Like what kind of like psycho shit is that? Like, Hey,
could you guys put down the AK forty sevens for
a second. I want to show you these dope ass
dance moves and these niggas are like, this shit is
really good. Like even even the gang members are like,
we should all get together hang out after this. This
is really cool, Like this is a pivotal moment for them.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
It's just wild.

Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
And then like even the ship where there he's dancing
and he you know, and he's and he's sort of
like trying to figure out the dance moves.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
He just stops in the middle. He's like, hey, my
jacket real fast, just so he can do the fucking
like open the jacket moment in the song.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
It's like again he like he can see that, and
that kind of stuff is like really cool to me.
I love that it was a dope moment, Like it's
a dope like this Nigga's like what you realize is.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Even watching his career these many years later, like this
ship is still impressive. Yeah, it's still impressive. It's like
that's why it was so impressive. When what was it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
Beyonce did single Ladies like that she choreographed all that
shit herself, Like this shit is impressive, and it's cool
to see people of that level of talent to just like,
how do you come up with all of this shit?
He did for thirty five forty years in a row,
like he just did.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
So yeah, it's it's dope.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
It's a little like the scene is a little over
the top to me, Like it feels a little heavy
handed how everyone is just like, wow, you're you're just
so incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
But at the same time, like I'm watching it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
Yeah, I can't imagine. I can't imagine. I can't imagine
a bunch of you know, heavy hidden gang members from
the eighties being impressed by a man going yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
That's the see that's talk Like it's a little weird.
It's a little like not gonna be an asshole.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
I'm not trying to be an asshole, but like you
just if you're gonna be if you're gonna be on
a show like popped the ballot, this is.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
What zesty is, Okay, Like, but like the definition of
it was it was Michael, and it was Michael, I know,
but they were still like gang members. Yeah, but but
like but like but I feel like, but I feel
like in that moment what they were trying to show
and I'm I'm just gonna assume this happened in real
life that like at that moment they weren't just they

(01:11:23):
they weren't just like gang members. They were just like
little why ends? Who are who are? Who are? Who
are excited to see Michael Jackson? Yeah, I mean like
he basically Jesus.

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
I mean he was basically You're right, I understand that
y'all are all gang members, but y'all niggas are still fans, right,
like they were, can I get your autograph? And the
niggas were like this an autographs like autographs, and they
were like it's like they are trying to pretend like
they weren't all hype.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
For that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
You signed my jagon, Michael signed my Bandanna uses to
kill a nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Later, they've been watching this nigga. This is eighty eighty
one eighty two they've been watching. They say he was
a kid.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Yeah, even his gang.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Members like all right, he was eight and we were
still fucking with you. So like to see him in
person was probably kind of wild bunch of hard hit
don't matter.

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
Who the fuck you are, it's just wild, Like that's
the power of that dude.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Like I just can't imagine, like you view video, oh ship,
like let's stop fighting. Chris Brown's over there, Like I
just don't see that. Yeah, who in a gang who
could do that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Nowadays? I don't know, what do you? I don't know
any artists like that who could Who could bring the
bloods in the crypts together through music?

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Yeah, that's what. It's the silliest fucking sentences. Who could blame?

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Who could bring democrats and Republicans together through song? It's
the universal language. Who could do that?

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
Nobody? I think you have no chance what bloods? And
I don't. And you know what, I didn't even say this,
but like Randy Jackson, huge trumper, and he manages his
Jane's career.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Any rich person too is you know, and.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
All Jehovah's witnesses. So honestly, you know what, I don't
want to think about what Michael would would stand for today.
So I'm glad we don't have to be confronted with
that reality. But something else, like in this movie, like
it was just it's so nice to see true artistry,
and because I feel like you don't really see Yeah,

(01:13:41):
I feel like a lot of artists that they maybe
probably don't have the patience or the longevity to talent too.
I mean, there's still a lot of talent to people
out there, but it just feels it feels a little shallow,
and I don't really see necessarily to perfectionism there. I

(01:14:03):
don't really see the willingness to want to be a performer,
to be a true performer. Now it's just like people
just want to stand and just sing and say like
you yeah Beyonce, not talk about her like she obviously does.
Like I mean her father, her father had them running

(01:14:26):
on a treadmill wearing heels and still had to sing
in tune, which is what a lot but like, but look,
she's forty five years old and she can still dance
and sing into her in this crazy stable. You have
some artists out here, including I want a K pop
artists not and I know how they get trained, just

(01:14:46):
like they trained people in Motown. But they it's like
they move. They moved to the side once and then
they're all shaky and I'm like, oh, okay, great, just
lip sing, turn off the backtrack. What it's true. But
Michael was like, I don't know, man, And we're not
just Michael, but artists I think all that time were

(01:15:06):
just of a different different caliber of of the artistry
of the music. Yeah, yeah, just don't beat your kids Okay,
you actually know what you know what. But for the

(01:15:30):
for the person who is the father of two of
two boys question, you've realized your kids, your kids could
be the next Jackson's you You're you're not gonna You're
not gonna be hard. I can't wait to hear this
ship go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
I'm not gonna be. I'm not gonna be.

Speaker 6 (01:15:55):
But I don't believe in gentle parenting. We will do uh,
we will do things that that will not leave marks.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
You can't hit your kids.

Speaker 6 (01:16:11):
Like like like like like you know, like wall squats
or you know, hold hold hold a couple of pinkcans
until hundred years.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:16:28):
No, I'm I'm of course, we're gonna try our best
to cultivate. But again, I don't respond well to a
bunch of negative reinforcement Like that just does not work
on me. It will not work on myself.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
It just won't. And he likes.

Speaker 6 (01:16:45):
My My eldest boy likes flag football of all things.
That not something that I ever thought I would say, Okay,
you don't see it, do you see it?

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
Athlete is not really.

Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
Like he really enjoys it. We been getting good. He tries.
That's all I'm asking for at this point, try like
he not, no man, Demitrius, because and look and look

(01:17:25):
look it's my fault. Okay, all right, I'm not I'm
a waste of height. I get it. We were talking
about me. I can't do. I don't know how to
spell high rocks. My dumb ass spelled it the right way.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
Micah, you can be a high rockser. You can be
a high rocks right now if you want it, you
believe in you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Yeah, they got the shin splint league. They got that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
Okay. So for the other parent, Uh, Jay, are you
going to make your daughter run on the treadmill and
heels until she sings in tune?

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
That sounds like something she would Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
I saw that last video.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
My daughter has a lot of confidence. She has the
singing skills of her mother and her father's confidence.

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
One of those is good. The other one.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Is is my wife's singing.

Speaker 5 (01:18:26):
Okay, Like I said, that's what it is?

Speaker 6 (01:18:28):
You No, No, I no, I don't. I don't believe it,
like I don't do, Like I don't like the I'm
trying to push you into greatness type of ship, like
I don't. I don't like that ship at all.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
I think it's I think it's ridiculous because I think
it puts pressure on kids unnecessarily. Now, if she, if she,
you know, has a talent for something, then I'm gonna
be like, hey, you need to try hard and you know,
do it. But I'm not gonna be like you need
to be up practicing overnight and like don't go to
school type of ship.

Speaker 5 (01:18:59):
Like I'm not, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Go to school.

Speaker 6 (01:19:02):
We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna practice the ship out
of this if if if, if.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
He, if I find something he's good at, we're gonna practice.

Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
No, I'm not saying not practice. I'm saying like driving
you around carry Indiana.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
To be like working nightclubs and ship and like no,
I'm not I'm not doing that like that dreadmill.

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
That all right, all right, question, it's it's a fair point.
It's a fair point. You know what.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
It's my fault for having it here, So I'm sorry. Well, Jay, look,
I don't think you you don't want to push your
daughter too hard because one day she will leave me
and you'll say she's out of my life. All right,
all right, all right, all right, how far not far enough.
It's not far enough. So we do get it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
We do get a scene of them making thriller. Hey,
that's the title of the song. That's the closest. I
did find it funny when the he started dancing, like
he's like, hey, hold on a second, and he kind
of like walks towards the camera. It's a bizarre moment,
like he just stops the whole thing. You're like, oh, okay,
they're not doing the whole scene. But then you you

(01:20:12):
get the you get the whole thing of him being like, hey,
telling the like where the camera should be and stuff
like that to make it work better. Right, so you
start to understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
He sees Olar Ray was good casting. That's oh really yeah,
that's his daughter.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
You want to read a movie like have you seen Thriller? Yes? Okay,
well yeah, she looks just like her this movie.

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
At least I did enjoy it, like the spin around
to him like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Like it was like it was like that it was perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
But then they actually do the the Thriller dance and
it is it's it's fucking stellar.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Like he nails it, man, he.

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
Really nails it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
I don't know how many hours he watched that fucking video,
but he's got.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
It, like it's it's perfect. He was great. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
So then we see we see scenes of like Michael
Jackson and his agent going to see this other dude.
He's like, look, I need you to put my videos
on MTV and he's like, well, TV doesn't play black artists,
and he was like, I need you to try harder,
Like basically, I will walk the funk away if you

(01:21:37):
don't get this dumb.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
End that Mike Myers.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Yes, yes, he was in another movie.

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Right, but pretty much playing this role. It's the same guy.

Speaker 6 (01:21:58):
No, it's not the same guy, but he pretty much
playing this role. Mike Myers is being typecast as that bighead.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
Yo. I didn't even recognize that that was him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
That's wow.

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
I'll have to think about that when I see this
movie again, as I'm doing it from memory in the
theaters anyway, that is that's i'mcandy. So yeah, basically, that
guy calls up MTV and he's like, hey, I need
you to put Michael's I need to put Billy Jean

(01:22:36):
video on there. And he was like, because that's the
way this thriller album is really going to sell. This
is what Michael tells them. And they're like, we don't
put niggas on our ship and uh and they were like,
now you're gonna do it or I'm gonna pull all
of the ABC artists off, your off off MTV, and
MTV is like, but we really like white people, so

(01:22:58):
like we're not trying to lose that money.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
He's like, all right, again, we'll give this.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Black guy who's already incredibly popular, will give him a chance,
like okay.

Speaker 5 (01:23:07):
And that is that's how rational racism is racism.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
That's racism.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
Like the big he was already like one of the
biggest stars on the plane and it was like, ooh,
but what if white kids hear this. White kids have
already heard this. It's not just niggas listen to him,
like they already know.

Speaker 6 (01:23:26):
Right yo, off the Wall already came out a couple
of years before. It's not like people didn't know who
the fuck he was.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Like again, racism, racism literally hurts everybody, stop being stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
And this did happen. This is actually in that thriller
forty what he did, he actually did do this. I
don't know if he did it to the way they
did it this movie. But he was like, yeah, if
you don't put this, If if you don't put this
music video on, I'm just pulling all my artists. And
then they're not They're just not gonna have any fucking
music videos on your channel. But at the same time,
he had to get money to film it. So what
they did was like, bet, okay, now we can put

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it on, but how are we going to make the
money to film this? So MTV gave them the money
as long as they did this behind you know, the
behind the scenes of Thriller that was like produced with
Michael Jackson and MTV. So if that's what they that's
how they got the money. That's why that that will
short film exists because of because of this, and again
it's one of the most popular, if not the most

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popular music video of all time. Still everybody knows Thriller.

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
It's dope, Like it's still dope today.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
Yeah, and then we see I forget where this performance
is that he does.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
If I recall this is the performance where he first
does the booth walk. And I've seen this performance before
save Motown twenty five. Yes, yeah, I think that's I
think that's correct. And I have seen this performance before.
You can watch it on YouTube and stuff like that.
It is shot for shot perfect to to this performances.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
It is crazy how good it is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
And again, like some moments, you're like, is this just
footage of Michael Jackson. It's hard to like, it really
is hard to tell. And yeah, when he does them walk,
everybody goes fucking crazy because they never seen that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Ship just blew people's mind.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
They had to tell people to like shut the fuck
up because he's still got somebody like they went so crazy.
They were like you gotta you got, you have to stop.
It was like twenty minutes of them just going nuts
when he did this ship and it was cut, it
was edited for television, but like they were, they were
losing their fucking minds, almost like a fucking rock Michael
Jackson concert and there was people then buttoned up soups

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and ships. Again, you can't like no other artists. I mean,
he's grown ass adults and the people like losing their
fucking minds doing this ship, and nobody can do this anymore.
You just can't.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Yeah, I mean I feel like people are way too cynical.
Yeah as well, Like that's a that's a big part
of it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:01):
What's also interesting, I think people are just people are
just too cynical, like about everything unimpressed, Like if a
bunch of people like something, people have to find a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
That there's another subset exactly in that culture is Yeah,
everything is about just being negative.

Speaker 5 (01:26:23):
Yeah, it's like there's no room to just be like
a like be a fan and and willing to look
and willing to look like, you know, vulnerable about liking something,
especially especially someone especially someone like Park Michael at that time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
I mean, I feel like people like in order to
be a fan, to like to truly be a fan
of something, especially if you like something that everybody likes,
there's a level of vulnerability.

Speaker 5 (01:26:52):
And I think a lot of people like they don't
they don't want that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
They want to they want to put a little box
around themselves and be like no, I like this, nobody
else likes or like, I mean I like it, but
like I'll love it, you know, I got to get
rid of it anytime. It's it's like it's that weird.
It's a very weird time. I feel like again, I
think COVID had spucked up people in ways that I
don't think people quite realize like I do. Everybody wants

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to be a loner and they don't need anybody, and
a lot of the dumb shit like.

Speaker 5 (01:27:21):
Well everyone, well, well back back then you had to
actually talk to people and go outside and talk to them.
Now now you can just limit your emotional capacity to
scrolling and blocking.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
I remember I used to work with a guy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
This is a number of years ago, maybe at this point,
maybe twenty five twenty five years ago, and this guy
was like, it's a white dude, and we were talking
about Michael Jackson one day and he was like, yeah,
I've never liked anything Michael Jackson has ever done. And
I was like, okay, you're lying. I don't believe you

(01:28:05):
like what I and like I immediately I was like,
you didn't like ABC niggabout the Jackson fons fun. No,
I never liked anything. I'm like, look, I get it,
allegations are out there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:28:18):
I get that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
You're like, hey, I don't fuck with that guy whatever,
Like you could say that, but you never liked the
Michael Jackson song.

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
No, No, I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it
and it's not I was like, did you listen to
pop music?

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Like if you only listen like I only like country music,
like okay, that'd be cool whatever, but I was like, no,
I listen to all types of music. I was like,
all right, cool. I just in my head, I was like,
this nigga is a liar. Okay, got it, Like you're
just lying for no reason. You're being weird, Like just
because you like his music don't mean like it, don't
mean you did it, like like it all right, relax.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
So.

Speaker 5 (01:28:53):
You know, we see you know, we we see another.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
At the end of that performance, they're like backstage and
here comes Joe Jackson's like, hen, there's my son the
money maker, and everybody's like this nigga like immediately, and
they all walk away from him because they they're unimpressed
by his like piece of shit behavior. And then we
see h Joe Jackson sitting with Don King is that

(01:29:19):
what's his name?

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
The comedian? Oh yeah, thank you again.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
I'm doing it for memory, so thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
And so he's sitting there with Don King and they're
like trying to like Joe Jackson's like, hey, you should
get into music because I'm setting up this tour and
you know, Jackson Fop are going back on tour.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
And he's like, is.

Speaker 6 (01:29:41):
Michael going, Cause like that nigga don't really funk with
y'all like that anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:29:45):
And he's like, no, no, Michael's coming, and he's like,
are you not bullshitting me? Right right?

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
Like like all right, because like if you bullshit me,
I'm gonna be like, don't your ass off.

Speaker 5 (01:29:56):
A cliff in Vegas? Anybody Jamaine.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Or by hand to see the Jackson five? The Jackson I.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
Mean Tenni pick it could have been a Jackson five
with Randy.

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
Yeah, okay, well if you want to pay for the
Jackson five with Randy, you go right inad.

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
Just let you. They still perform though the Jackson still
performed to this date. And I was like, the nephews,
that's what.

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
This is like late This is like late stage reutang, like.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
Who's Shorty ship stage? Why is he? I think it's okay,
it's like Jackie, Jermaine, Marlin, Randy sometimes probably uh And
it's some of like the the their sons or whatever.
Who's a recorder playing? Damn you all? I means Jesus, are.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
We just being realist?

Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
Because first of all, all of you is a seventy
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
And again, there's nothing wrong with performing at seventy because
like they let rock bands perform until like one thousand
years old, but they did a lot of dancing and shit, right,
they can't do that shit no more. And again, who's
say you have a group of backup singers, like that's
just not a girl niggas just playing instruments and no

(01:31:27):
fucking vocals.

Speaker 5 (01:31:27):
But like.

Speaker 6 (01:31:30):
I remember that song, I do, I don't remember when
Michael Jackson's saying that ship. Yeah, I'm sad again, I'm sorry,
I just so.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
I just saw an ad and they said the Jackson's
returned to the stage of twenty twenty six with Jackie
Jackson and Marlin and one of the first comments is
they better have a hologram of Michael. I am so,
y'all are well? Mean again, it's the Jackson five, No,
the Jackson's and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
All of Jackson's Okay, sure, yeah, all right, again, who's singing?
That's all I need to know, just like sure they
can still do the instruments, just fine. I need to
know who's doing the vault.

Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
I think I think that's him. I think Jackie is
singing for some of it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
She wanted.

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
He's the oldest one. He's he's the one who had
to set out half of the victory tour because he
said that he hurt his leg and rehearsals when he
really got hit by his wife. His wife ran over
him because he got caught. She with Paula Abdul.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Damn, What the fuck that sentence was wild? First of all,
he's seventy five, okay, all right, he's singing.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
He can sing, he could, he could back back then, all.

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
Right, yeah, all right, let's get to the Let's get
to the pepsi commercial because this is not good. Uh
don't so we we we see it's where he is.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
He's he is, uh.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
He is pushed by Joe to go on this tour
and they he him and the Jackson five or the
rest of his brothers.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
They do a pepsi commercial using a version of his.

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
Song, and you know, like it is not going well.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Because he don't he didn't want to do it. And
in the commercial he never takes a sip of the
pepsi and he never holds it. In those commercials, if
you remember he DIDNTNK. He didn't drink PEPSI. It was
it was in the contracts like I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:33:51):
I'm not taking ship.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
Disgusting, you don't do it? Give him five? Uh? Oh
my god, all right, pe tito in real life, Jesus.

Speaker 6 (01:34:08):
He die.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Nobody knows that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:34:13):
He got a couple of years ago, did he? It
didn't break break my news speed, that's up.

Speaker 5 (01:34:19):
Oh my god.

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
Look man, I guess I didn't even.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Know R Peter kid. You know, I don't know did he?
I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:32):
Did he have a hat on what he passed? Jesus?
I mean that's how you know that? Just lets you
know that one is actually really sad because his wife
was murdered DEDI his son, his son's mothers were were
murdered by her boyfriend after they got divorced. Okay, that's okay,

(01:34:54):
that's that is that. But well, how did he die?
He got a heart attack so much she murded in
like the early nineties or early early nineties, that's fucked up. Well, like, still,
did he have a head on?

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
And as a question, so the pirate technics go bad
and Michael Jackson's hair gets set on fire and the
way they did this, he is quickly turning into ghost
Spider the way they made it look. And so yeah,
he he gets significant burns on his scalp, like like

(01:35:35):
third degree burns like that, which was pretty devastating honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
And Jerry Crow they wearing Jenny Curve. That sho probably
went up like a fucking room and candle. Yeah, fucked up.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
But you know, like too much aqua net will do that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
And so he gets taken to the hospital and of
course you know he's he's bandaged up or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
And Joe Jackson and he's like he talks to the doctor,
it's like.

Speaker 6 (01:36:05):
How long would this nick can get back out on
stage and they're like yo, He's like I get that,
but you know, money needs to be made, my nigga,
like no one monkey, don't stop the show, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
Oh my god. M hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
It's fucked up by the way, that statement has nothing
to do like that's just an old statement.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Yeah, an.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
Monkeys as a society, we are obsessed with monkeys.

Speaker 4 (01:36:38):
That is true. It's fun up, It's it's not cool.
He treats He treats Michael Jackson like like ship about this,
and so Michael is in the hospital. H he finds
out he's got to get like he's got to get
a bunch of surgeries and he's gonna have to wear
like a like a hair piece type of thing, and

(01:37:01):
so he's, you know, he's pretty upset about that, but
you know, the rest of him is fine. So he
starts visiting other kids in the burn unit, and then
he agrees to do the tour.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
Which is wild.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
Instead of telling Joseph to go fuck himself, he eventually
does go to do the tour and.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
And like his agent walks by and sees Michael talking.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
To a kid who's, you know, severely burned, and he's
you know, he's got like the one diamond glove and
or rite's some glove, and he's like touching him like, Oh,
it's gonna be okay.

Speaker 5 (01:37:39):
It's like, oh wow, is he healing him? Like Jesus,
I'm surprised he didn't bring him two loaves of bread
and maybe he was trying to heal with the world.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
And I was waiting you could get it out first.

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
I mean, you set them up, damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Back from the.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
I will say this about like those scenes. So I
did think the choice of the song I wonder if
it was. This scene was a little interesting because I
was like, ooh, I wouldn't have played this song. It
was they were playing I think they were playing stop
the Love You Save. And I was like, if you
listen to the lyrics of that song, it's about them
warning a girl about being too fast. It's a part

(01:38:24):
of the Jackson Files.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
That's ridiculous. He's got a lot of.

Speaker 5 (01:38:33):
Anyway, you know. I was. I was just like, I
want to I just considering the fact that they couldn't
use the allegations playing the song while he is hanging
around kids in the burn unit, was like, I was,
I probably would have done chosen that song, but you
know whatever. And also a little fun fact about the
Victory Tour is that they never performed any of those

(01:38:54):
songs from that album ended up doing really, really well,
but Michael did not want to rehearse any of those
songs because he went to do with Thriller Tour instead.
That would have been so dope to see to see
part of that in this movie. That's why. That's why
that the set list is mostly off the wall uh
thriller songs and some of Jermaine songs and Jackson five songs.

(01:39:17):
Jama Jamaine had hits.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Okay, name one.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
You said, you said, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
I said, what, Oh, that's the name of the song.

Speaker 5 (01:39:34):
And take a care of my take care of my
heart with Whitney Houston because they dated.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
She dated, Yeah, and uh, this is wild. I don't
like all that.

Speaker 5 (01:39:48):
Michael used to date Stephanie Mills. She was She did
a podcast recently about it.

Speaker 6 (01:39:53):
Yeah, she was supposed to be Dorothy, but then old
dirty Diana over there was life elf. I want to
be a I want to be a forty eight year
old Dorothy. Yeah, yeah, up, because Stephanie Mills, she was
the one on Blowy, right, she played Dorothy Broadway?

Speaker 5 (01:40:15):
What but she but you know what, you know what,
you know what. Diana also promised them. She promised them,
I can Michael Michael Jackson. Yeah. They were just like,
all right, let the funk out of here, like.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Let me geriatric Dorothy.

Speaker 6 (01:40:29):
I can guarantee to five years old because Barry Gordy
told her no she was who.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
When you said Michael was dating Stephanie Mills, who wait.

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
Yeah Steane Mills Michael and when Yeah, I think in
like the eighties when.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
There's there's plenty of pictures of the two of them.

Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
Was that seventy seventy eight, Oh you wouldn't and and uh,
I think it was their older interviews of like I
think Tito or Randy talking about how much of a
ladies man Michael was and how people like, yeah, they
say he's gay, but leave your girl with him.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
No, I believe like a Prince situation. Yeah, I believe
that person.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
Yeah, like, don't don't mistake androgyny with with homosexuality, Like no,
Prince would knock knock everybody's girlfriends down, like, get the
funk out of here.

Speaker 6 (01:41:30):
We're like, oh, it's so cute, and he's like, yeah,
the girl is mine.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
Yeah. I don't like that kind of hate that song.
I dislike this my least. Yeah, that's the one with
Paul McCartney, right, Yeah, I don't like the Beatles, so
you know my associations. I don't like McCartney's No, I don't,

(01:41:56):
I don't. I don't like McCartney.

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
I don't know why. I just something about him. It
just rubbed me the wrong way. You remember when.

Speaker 6 (01:42:05):
Remember when the Beatles were at their apex and and
America was like, America was like, we got to get
our own version of the Beatles. It's like, that's a
good idea, boss, I got four guys right here.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
What do we call them from? Monkeys?

Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
The Monkeys were British? I thought, were they?

Speaker 6 (01:42:23):
No, the Monkeys were the American version of the Beatles,
because America is obsessed.

Speaker 5 (01:42:32):
Yeah, monkeys, that's right. Didn't they have like a TV show?

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
That's that's how I worked. I didn't know anything about that.

Speaker 6 (01:42:39):
Yeah, yeah, because yeah, they were the American version of
the Beatles. And he named them the Monkeys for some
fucking reason.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Well, I mean racist.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
None of them were black, thank god, Like if they were,
they were a four a four group, you know, a
four member.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
Group hit of fucking black dudes called the Monkeys. Monkeys
Like all.

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
Right, much, this is a little much. That's not gonna Yeah,
they had a that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
They had a a sitcom called the Monkeys as well.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
We're trying to push that they were a fake group.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
Because when I heard that they were like a real band,
because I had seen like clips from the TV show,
I thought it was a fake groups.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
Like yeah, that's what I remember them.

Speaker 6 (01:43:33):
They were real, like a legitimate They were the American
answer to the Beatles.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
I mean they were pretty popular day.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
As popular as the Beatles obviously. Wait, so Jay, you
you you were you were say say saying, all right,
all right, I'm gonna fight you when I see.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
Oh she gonna do is just say beat it?

Speaker 5 (01:44:04):
I was gonna say that, but I was like, that's
too obvious. Well, honestly, isn't a human? All right?

Speaker 6 (01:44:13):
All of this makes me want to scream, all right,
have we had enough?

Speaker 5 (01:44:19):
I mean, honestly, Jay, like, don't stop till you get enough.
I'm just I'm looking.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
I'm just looking down the history albums like the Stupid
On What stupid name could I?

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
So so from there, look, this is Michael Michael Jackson
at his absolute shrewdness. He is in the middle of
this tour. Joe Jackson is on the like off stage,
watching it. Everybody's having a good time, fans will fucking
losing and everything else.

Speaker 7 (01:44:55):
Michael Jackson's like, turn the music down for a little bit.
I just wanted to think my brothers for doing this.
And this is our our final tour, and this is
our fair world tour. Tour and like Joe Jackson's like,
you motherfucker, Like he's so mad and thought he was
about to make millions off of that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (01:45:14):
He was like, yeah, fuck you. They wanted to be Australia,
right because they try to make it like a year
long tour. Yeah, and and Michael's like absolutely not fuck that.
I'll be find private Uniga. Stay here, kidnap. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
Look, this is this is like, this is shrewd Michael
the Businessman, uh coming, you know, like coming to Frussian
So I love.

Speaker 6 (01:45:41):
This and this is like this is the actual point
of this movie. Is the movie is basically Michael versus
Joseph right, and it's you know, when is Michael going
to overcome the the fear instilled in him by his father?

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
It's the story I know will too well.

Speaker 6 (01:46:01):
And he he he, he actually is able to do it.
This is the the apex of the film where the
hero triumphs.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
Over the villain who's making the stupidest fucking face that
I can recall.

Speaker 5 (01:46:21):
His mouffle was just open the whole time.

Speaker 6 (01:46:24):
Yeah, he was watching his money fucking fly out the window.

Speaker 5 (01:46:31):
And he just he literally walks off stage.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
And then like he he walks past Joseph and in
like the the bodyguard tries to stop him, and you know,
he's like, now fuck that, like leave Michael alone, and
he like walks off and then the next time you
see him, he he's walking back into the scene in
his bat outfit. So it's just like this is this

(01:46:58):
is when that album comes out, and you know, and
then he goes then he goes out and he does
the he does a performance for that, which again is
really fucking good.

Speaker 5 (01:47:10):
It's yeah, it's excellent.

Speaker 4 (01:47:12):
Yeah, the teres you had mentioned that they they didn't
show how big of a star. He was like, they
did such a good job with that in Bohemian Rhapsody,
with the live aid scene, I'm surprised they didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
Yeah, they didn't nail that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:25):
In this its like the cuts are moving too fast
for you to really appreciate, like just how I won.
How big the stadium that he's playing bad in, because
it's it's crazy huge. But yeah, I'm surprised they didn't
nail that because that's that's the pivotal scene in Bohemian Rhapsody,
is the live aid scene. It just looks so good.

(01:47:47):
I don't know if that was like actual real people
or CGI or what. But it's super convincing of it,
it being such a huge performance.

Speaker 5 (01:47:57):
And then that's the end of the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
And then it's like, you know, his story continues and
like Michael will return into Vengers Doomsday.

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
Quincy Jones was in this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
I was played about a nigga from a sucking Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:48:14):
The only thing I ever was, Yeah, he was in it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
For like I was like, you don't look like like
Quincy Jones at all? What the fuck is this?

Speaker 5 (01:48:25):
I thought he did. I think it was like a
young young Quincy back then. The hair, yeah, yeah, and
the beer and the voice mm hmm. Any final thought.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
Before we get out of here. Not the movie, but
I always always the uh story about him supposed to
being in bad Yes, and he heard the lyrics. He like,
who's but who He's like, now get the fun at it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:01):
It's like, that's just I did like the little jab
that the little mention of Prince in it when they're like, yeah,
give it to Prince. That was funny. Yeah, I mean
I will be I mean I'm gonna probably watch it.
This will probably be something I watch like every now

(01:49:22):
and then, Like when it comes on Prime and I'm
doing stuff from the house like I'll put this in
the rotation as well. And I do hope they make
another one. Yes doing.

Speaker 6 (01:49:36):
Okay, God, I think it will be very interesting. Well,
I don't when that when that timeline cuts off.

Speaker 5 (01:49:44):
I would love to see them recreate remember the time
and have someone play Eddie Murphy and Hemond as the mind.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
What did I look like nowadays? She probably doesn't look.

Speaker 5 (01:50:04):
But they can't do Scream because Janet doesn't exist in
this universe. They put LaToya in ship like, oh oh,
I'm sorry. One more thing. I kept laughing in the
theater every time they showed the family and it was
just LaToya and I was like they wow. I was like,
there really is no Janet or reb in this at all.

(01:50:25):
It's just and LaToya has such a She didn't have
a big part, but she was in it for like
most of.

Speaker 6 (01:50:29):
The LaToya was in it for as much as her
mom was in it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
It was the perfect depiction of was like LaToya was
just sitting in the background. It was. It was the
perfect depiction of LaToya just kind of there.

Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
She had a hit too, What song did she have?

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
I know had a hit, right.

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
Yeah, cineprist might got into back vocals. Them Jacksons had
to work. Everybody had had doubled in music at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
What the fuck is going on with LaToya Jackson?

Speaker 5 (01:51:11):
Jesus Christ I found on Instagram?

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
What you know what.

Speaker 6 (01:51:20):
Kevi on stage put out? Kevi on stage put out something.
Uh that's someone uh tweeted or whatever. And it was like,
is LaToya Jackson the first LaToya?

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:51:34):
Have there been any Latoya's before? That's actually a good question.
I mean, like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
Don't should be this year?

Speaker 6 (01:51:51):
Yo?

Speaker 5 (01:51:51):
She is looking a bit rough. Also shout out to everyone,
shouts who just who founded that Jaffar Jackson is Muslim?
And we're like, did y'all know he's Muslim?

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
I don't know Jafar. His name is Jaffar. I mean, well, look, yo,
that's another nigga named Jerk majesty. I don't know what
the fuck is what his religion is?

Speaker 6 (01:52:19):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:52:20):
He sounds like like the only other Jafar I know
is a kid from fucking a Latin.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
So, I mean, I guess, but yeah, he was born
in America. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:52:32):
I have I've been I've been enjoying watching his interviews
talking about the film and him and also like his
personal memories with his uncle. That's always that's really great.
So a lot of the Monesti sound was really cool.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
I mean, do du Can sing by the way on
his own like Terrence sent Us, like like one of his.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Songs came out ten years ago. I didn't even know
the nigga existed until this fucking movie came out.

Speaker 5 (01:52:54):
Like this is actually pretty good, not bad. So, I
mean here's a Jackson.

Speaker 6 (01:53:01):
Is Yeah, he probably getting his ass performed. Well, that's
why he did so well perform. Well, I'm gonna beat you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:10):
It's like for Joe Jackson's dead Jim Jim. Jim may
never put his hands on that boy because he probably
get which is he is he the brother cousin because
I know there there's there's a set of brother family.

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
Unfortunately, like the same woman with two of them niggas. Yeah, yeah,
that's weird. That's again what the fuck? Man?

Speaker 5 (01:53:36):
Like, why shout out to people people lusting after Jackie Jackson,
Because that's what people have been lusting after Jackie and
Marl Younger. Pictures of them on on threads and Twitter
and instaburn.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
Now they should look at current pictures. That's that'll really
get you going. These niggas look like these tickets looked
like they would beat up kid and play in a
fucking movie when they were younger.

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
So all right, that's that is.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Well, you already did that one. Maybe we did, Okay,
we did.

Speaker 5 (01:54:19):
All right, that's it for us.

Speaker 4 (01:54:22):
We will be back next week for a preview episode
for Black and Black Samo

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
See yea, go ahead the flies, ok yeah, yeah yeah

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