December 16, 2025 • 38 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Good morning. My name is John Justice. Hell yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Brett, who's in the master control booth. Brett just asked
me right before we got on air. He was busy
compiling the audio. I was doing notes and recording videos
for Chinese the Spy Wear apps. Brett asses it Freedom Friday. Yet,
I dude, I'm trying to get there.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We could start it, that we could set a trend
I started.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Now, there's too much stuff going on, vacations coming up,
I know, I know, and it's dragging. I knew it
was going to Oh it is, it's just dragging. It's
just it's only Tuesday, and I'm going to come on already.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
No, I have a stack of like freedom, it'll be
Freedom Thursday stuff if we if we end up getting
to any of it. But there's so many things going
on right now that I can't not not talk about it.
So I'm gonna have to wait. We'll see how quick
like him through stuff. I do have a really fun
stack though. It is TWI City's News Talk Am eleven
thirty and one on three five FM from the six
five to one Carpet plus Next Day Install Studios. It's Tuesday,
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and I'm glad you're with the show this morning. We
do have a lot to talk about today. There were
ice altercations that took place in Minneapolis. You've got elected
Democrats to the legislature that are actively pushing back against ice,
helping out the activist organizations in mobilizing in actions against
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ice efforts. At A twenty this morning, I have stats
that is that are going to completely undermine the Democrats'
attempts to vilify and demonize Ice. You're gonna have to
wait for it. It wasn't hard to find, but I
have stats that I will share coming up at A
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twenty that will undermine all of what the Democrats are
doing right now in they're push back against Ice. Right
before that happens, i'll be talking with gubernatorial candidate Lisa Damuth,
took a second place in the GOP convention drop hole
over the weekend at seven o'clock this morning. Kendall Qualls,
who won that straw hoole. He'll be joining us at
(02:15):
seven o'clock, so we'll talk with both of those gubernatorial
candidates for Republicans coming up at seven and eight.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
We got to Vive Gartzenstein Ross.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Later on this hour, talking Ai we'll give you a
bit of an update on the search for the Brown
University shooter. I want to start here, though, Trump responding
to Rob Reiner's murder. So, as we talked about yesterday,
Rob Reiner, the Hollywood director and producer vocal Trump critic.
(02:47):
I mentioned this yesterday. I mean, really, when it comes
to Row, when it comes to Rob Reiner, and this,
I mean this is these are just facts. If you
were looking, if you said who in Hollywood suffers the
worst from Trumps arrangement syndrome, Rob Reiner would have been
at the top of that list. I would have gone with, Oh,
(03:10):
who was the Hulk? Mark Ruffalo? Mark Ruffalo, He's up there.
He's absolutely up there.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Thank you. I'm happy I could insist. Glad you knew
my area of expert Tam.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm like, oh, Brett know this. I don't know why
I'm blanking. I enough coffee this morning. Right that being said,
it was a horrific murder that took place. His son
has been arrested in connection with this brutal attack. Now,
in the wake of this, Trump had gone and posted
this comment, A very sad thing happened last night. Rob Reiner,
a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director
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and comedy star has passed away with his wife Michelle,
reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive,
unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known
as Trump derangement syndrome sometimes referred to as TDS.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
The what's called a Trump derangement problem? Have you heard
about that problem?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
He was known to have driven people crazy. Trump went
on to say, by his raging obsession of President Donald Trump,
with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump
administrations for past goals and expectations of greatness, and with
the golden age of America upon us perhaps like never before.
Trump added, may Rob and Michelle rest in peace. Okay,
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So obviously, of no surprise, Democrats have taken massive, massive
issue with these particular comments. I have an ardent to
follow the show that emails me, and yesterday sent me
an email saying tell me John, if Trump actually posted
this verbal excrement, why GOP leaders should not join Democrats
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in fast tracking his impinchment and.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Removal from office.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
This is one more symptom of the madman in the
Oval Office. Look in typical Democrat fashion, people overreach. I
don't agree with what Trump said. I think there's a
time and place, but this was not the time or place,
especially in light. And I'm not the only ones saying this.
I mean the whole article that I was sharing with
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you from the Daily Wire. It talks about prominent conservatives
that are pushing back on this. You got Robbie Starbuck,
you have Ali Beth Stucky included in here. You know,
the list goes on of individuals on the right who
are saying, you know, Trump went too far in these
comments in the wake of what had just taken place
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with the murder of these two individuals. Any nuance of
difference between the less response to say Charlie Kirk, because
this is what it's being compared to, and Trump's response
to Rob Reiner is going to be lost and has
already been lost. There are big differences here in the
way that Democrats reacted leftists reacted to the assassination Charlie Kirk,
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and what Trump said here, which again I don't agree with.
You could have easily just offered up your condolences and
been on with it. He would not have given He
would not have been given credit for that. By the way,
I just want to say that upfront, if Trump had
gone that direction, you know, it's not like Democrats would
have been praising Trump for being you know, measured in
his response to Rob Reiner's death. And again, Trump wasn't
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wrong about his assessment of Reiner. But there's a time
and a place. I want to add something else to
this though, that nobody else is talking about. I'm actually
glad that Trump said these things, not because I think
they're appropriate.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I don't think they're very kind.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But like I said, it doesn't matter what Trump says,
they're going to come after regardless. Now I'm glad that
Trump said this because it does provide an opportunity for
Trump's supporters to show that they don't always agree with Trump,
which is a constant credit. When I first saw this,
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you know, like a lot of different people, I was like, ah, Trump,
why'd you go and do that?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
This is a this is a bit too far again
time and a place, and this wasn't the time, the time,
or the place. And the problem with it is that
it's not so much that Trump can't handle. It doesn't matter.
It's not like he's going to be removed from office
over this. It's not like he hasn't said other things
that have been over the top. This is not a surprise.
This is how Trump is. He's just being honest in
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his assessment and in considering how much opposition Rob Reiner
had put up, how vocal he was against Trump, I'm
not surprised that Trump reacted this way at all. I
still think there's a high road that can be taken,
and my initial reaction was it makes it difficult when
you get down to a more granular political commentary level,
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putting individuals in a position like myself to sit back
and have to go and address this in the wake
of the criticism that was put out over the less
response to Charlie Kirk. But as I mentioned, I went
another way on this.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Again.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I'm glad that he said it because it does provide
the opportunity to say, yeah, I don't agree with Trump
on this. I don't think he should have used those
those words. Look, Rob Reiner was measured in his response
when Charlie Kirk was assassinated. I watched the clip yesterday,
But make no mistake, if either of the attempts on
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Trump's life had been successful. Do you expect that Rob
Reiner's commentary would have been measured or that on the left.
And this goes back to my initial take on it.
There's nuance to all of this, and it's completely lost
in the less response as they freak out over Trump
making these comments, which was evident in just one of
(08:49):
the first emails that I received from a foe of
the show, saying you need to immediately jump to impeachment.
Give me a break already. I can always do better,
and the president can do better.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
This was too far. This will be forgotten about in
a week, though. I mean make no mistake.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I even hesitated on whether or not I wanted to
talk about it this morning on the show, but it
is something that is making the rounds, and so I
wanted to make sure that my opinion was known on
that particular issue. All right, coming up before we talk
with Devite Gartenstein Ross, any questions you have related to
our official intelligence, you can get those in on the
iHeartRadio app. I have exciting news to share about Katie Pavlich.
(09:28):
She's got a brand new gig. Found out about that yesterday,
had a chance to chat with her a bit. I
will share with you what Katie Pavlich and her new
gig is and was il Hanna Omar's son pulled over
by Ice as she claims.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I'll give you the details.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Next here on Twinsday's News Talk AM eleven thirty and
one O three five FM.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Good morning, and I love your show.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Good morning John, Happy Tuesday. There's no great surprise on
this thing that the DFL legislators are helping the activists
thought in the lamestream media and calling here.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Are throwing it.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
It's all distraction from what's going on with the fraud,
the property taxes and such.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
They need something.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Oh, one.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Hundred percent, thank you, Lou. I completely agree. A twenty
this morning, I have stats to wow and amaze your
liberal friends with I gave. I gave Brett the preview
a moment ago. It's good. Yeah, I thought though they were.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
They were easy to find, but they will certainly help
you in pushing back against your liberal friends who are
upset at at Ice.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
So again that's coming up this morning at eight eight twenty.
So yesterday I.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Found out that Katie Pavlich is now the new prime
time ten block host on Newsmax. Yeah, congratulations to Katie
on this this is here. She will be leaving Fox News,
but she is now going to be the primetime host
Monday through Friday on News Nation at ten pm, so
(11:15):
that'll be nine o'clock our time. And I absolutely could
not be I could not be happier for my friend.
I think that's absolutely that's awesome for her. I know
this something that she's wanted for a long time, and
this is an amazing opportunity. She continues to grow as
a commentator. So congratulations to Katie Bavlach on that. Not
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sure when she starts, though, It's funny. I was talking
with her yesterday and I didn't ask when she starts.
I imagine this after the first of the year. But
I'll try to get that information and share it with
you here. In a bit speaking of Newsmax, ice officials
tell Newsmax James Rosen that they have no record of
stopping a car driven by the sun of Ilhana Omar,
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as the congress woman claimed, went on to the crowd, Yeah,
I actually can believe this. Ilhan's pulling the walls on this.
So Acting Director Lyons called the charge a ridiculous effort
to unfairly demonize our law enforcement officers. And I say
that Ilhan is pulling a Walls because Walls recently complained
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a couple of weeks back about drive by our word
slurs past the governor's mansion while he was gambling with
his nieces and nephews playing yachtzi.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Then when he went to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
For a governor's event fundraiser, he changed it to drive
by posts by Trump and abandoned the idea that anybody
was saying this outside of the governor's mansion. And what's
even funnier is that Walls, during his fraud Prevention program
press conference last week, didn't mention the dozens of people
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who have now actually driven by and filmed themselves as
saying the R word.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
People shouldn't do that.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
By the way, I just want to point that out.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The moment I saw this story from Ilhan Omar, without
the context of why the stop took place, I assumed
it was bogus. There's dozens of reasons why Ilhan Omar's
son could have been pulled over that have nothing to
do with him being Ilhan's son or his skin color.
And as mentioned here, I says, yeah, there was We
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did not stop.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
We have no record of that whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
All Right, one more quick one here before we talk
with Davide Cartanstein. Ross authorities have released new images. They're
not helpful of the suspect related to the mass shooting
of Brown University, offering a fifty thousand dollars bounty. The
gunmen on Saturday stormed into a classroom in Brown's Engineering
department and killed two students, Ella Cook, who was a
prominent member of the Brown University Republican Club club, and
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Mukhammad Aziz Irma Zokhoff.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Cook.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Cook was from Alabama, served again as the vice president
of the university's Republican Club, and Irma Zukhoff was and
Who's Beck national in his first year at the school.
Political commentator Mark Albrin had this to say regarding the
potential motivation for the shooting. Here's a little bit of
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what Mark Alprin had to say on his YouTube show.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Are telling me that the family of I just need
to look up her name, Ella Cook. I think, thank you, Mark,
thank you, thank you that the family of Ella Cook
the Alabama a young woman who was a sophomore, has
been told that she was the target of what happened
to Brian, I have no idea whether that's true. There's
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other theories about why the person did what they did,
but now that we don't know who the assailing is,
it's going to be harder to say. But if it's
true that she was targeted, that's a big story because
she was one of the most visible conservatives on that campus.
Don't know that it's true, but probably most of you
don't even know that that's being alleged because you'd have
to follow certain accounts on acts or have sources as
(15:09):
I do, who are telling.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Me that, yeah, it'll be I'm you know, listen, I'm
confident they're going to catch this individual, and surprise they
haven't already.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
These things take time.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
The images that they put out certainly have not been helpful,
and it will be interesting to see if these rumors
of this being a targeted attack, especially relating to this
young woman who lost her life in the attack, turn
out to be true. All right, coming up one more
time for twenty twenty five, we're going to talk with
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our artificial intelligence expert, David Gartenstein.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Ross got a number of different issues.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
We will discuss with David, and of course, your questions
any questions that you have for David regarding AI on
any level. Get those talkbacks into the iHeartRadio apples are
brought to you by Lindahl Realty. I see a few
of those already, and we will get to those coming
up next right here on Twin City News Talk Am
eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Now, if my.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Math is correct, I think that David Gartenstein Ross is
the second most consistent guest that I've had on with
me over my time being a talk radio show host.
He might actually be number one compared to Andrew Langer.
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It's Twin Cities News Talk from the sixty five to
one carpet plus Next Day Install Studios. My name is
John Justice and CEO AI Analyst, CEO of Expert Theory
d VD. Garten Steinross joins this this morning. David, do
you happen to recall what year you and I started talking?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Great question, it's either I think it's two thousand and
eight if I recall.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, you might be my longest running weekly guest for
the Off and On, but much appreciated your expertise has
always and happy holidays to you. Thank you so much
for joining us once again one more time for twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
These have been really fun on conversations.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Thanks so much, John, Merry Christmas to you.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I want to go to a talk back here just briefly.
We didn't discuss this ahead of time, but I'm sure
you can handle it. I was talking a moment ago
about the search for the Brown University a suspect currently
and the lack of good available footage from around the vicinity.
This talkback came in Regarding that.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
John, I think it's very strange that they have no
other videos or pictures of this guy.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Considering if you.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Go back to twenty twenty one, there were reports saying
how safe Brown University is. A mister Baling on that campus.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Actually, you've got people's personal space and their freedom.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I think it's a little weird.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
They don't know who it is.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
You know, David, without knowing the specifics of what the
surveillance in that area looks like. I just thought it
was interesting from the skepticism standpoint and the way that
people are just so one skeptical of news reports as
always depending on the politics of it, but also this
other expectation that people just assume that we're being watched
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all the time and footage is readily available. I know
that I feel that way, but given your background in
you know, analyzing of terrorist threats, I would be kind
of curious if you had any additional thoughts on what
the talk back said.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
It's an interesting point, and I don't know what he's
referring to in terms of the twenty twenty one footage
on Brown University being safe because there was a lot
of your surveillance or video on campus. I'm not doubting it.
I just don't know the specifics. It would be helpful
to take a look, and my quick Google search didn't
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turn it up, but at any rate, you know, it'll
I agree with you about how we have this sort
of expectation that parts of our lives are just going
to be available. Especially I think we have this assumption
that if an incident occurs like now, that people will
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be able to go back for the next few hours
and put a lot splice a lot of video together.
And usually that's the case. You know, if someone drives
through a number of shopping centers as it stops at
the convenience store, then goes to a location and carries
out a shooting, usually you can find streetcam footage, you know,
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footage from maybe a security cam at the shopping center.
You if you have a sense of who it is,
you'll geolocate the phone. If you don't know who it is,
you'll look at phones that where you can geo locate
through that particular area. So there's a lot of ways
to get at somebody. What it seems like based on
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what I can tell, and we don't know the answer,
but it seems like the shooter used operational security or
OPSEC in a number of different ways, including concealment of
the face. Right, we have a sense we have some
video of the shooter, but we don't have any video
that provides us a sense of the shooter's face. Almost
certainly the shooter didn't have a cell phone on them,
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or if so, it was a burger phone that they
couldn't be traced with. There's a number of things that
they seem to have done, right. But you know, even
going back to a number of more recent attacks, we
can actually see how long it can take to track
someone down. You know, after the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
it took several days to pinpoint Tyler Robinson and it
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was really like the discovery of his is Ammo Cachet
that seemed to have been the breakthrough in that case.
If you go back fifteen years to the Boston Marathon bombing,
when that happened, it took several days with the area
on lockdown to locate the perpetrators. So I'm also interested
in why we don't have more on the shooter, But
I do want to point out that it's not this
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big abnormality compared to other attacks that we've seen.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well in Devin, I think that it's worth noting that
this shooting coming within the hours of this horrific shooting
that took place, this horrific terrorist attack that took place
in Australia. On a subconscious level, I think there's a
juxtaposition between here you have this alleged father and son
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that are going out and committing this heinous act on
this on Bondi Beach. There's video footage of the individuals
being being taken down, and then you juxtaposed that next
to what happened to Brown University and a lack of
being able to find out who this individual is, and
you know, either on a subconscious or even conscious level,
I think that that ends up conflicting in a lot
of people's minds.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
To be let's address that on a conscious level. There's
just a fundamental difference between the two. The first one
is that in the Bondi Beach terrorist attack, the two
attackers were you know, one of them was killed, the
other one was apprehended, which makes it really easy to
know who they were. The second thing is that the
Bondi Beach attack there were you know, thousands of people
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there for the Menora lighting for Hanukkah, whereas here you
had a much smaller group in a classroom. The third
difference is the Bondi Beach attack went on for about
ten minutes or they were shooting for an extended period,
whereas here it was you know, a shooter. A shooter
came into a classroom, carried out the attack, and then left.
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So I think that there are fundamental differences that just
explain that surface level just juxtaposition between Brown and Bondy.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I want to make one side comment and then we'll
get into some AI talk. I do have some talkbacks
that I've already rolled in, so we'll see how much
that ends up dominating the conversation. Earlier I made an
announcement of another longtime guest on the show and a
friend of mine, a friend of ours, Katie Pavlich, announced
her new gig, this is on News Nation. I had
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covered a Newsmax article right after I I made the
announcement of Katie's news show.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Katie will be joining News Nation.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Early next year in the prime time ten o'clock eastern
nine o'clock Central slot on a News Nation. So I
wanted to go ahead and offer up that clarification. Some
people were confused whether or not she was going the
news Max or news news Nation. But we're incredibly happy
for Katie. All right, let's get in go ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Can I say good for Katie? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I think she is wonderful and like I've always had
this bond with her because of you, John. I got
to meet her when she was U of a Katie
yep back in back at Tucson, and I've been really
proud to see where she's gone since then.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well, the relationships, I'm incredibly plot proud of the relationships
that I've forged.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Especially with the trio that I've discussed. You, Katie and.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Andrew Langer, you all kind of what we kind of
all found each other. I found you guys right at
the start of that portion of my talk radio career,
and I'm I feel incredibly blessed to still be able
to be speaking with you guys and to call you friends.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Let's get to you.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Let's get to some top action from the iHeartRadio app.
Questions for devid regarding AI will start here.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I got a question for the thieves, you know, as
we start to rely more more heavenly on AI and
AI function abilities, I always wandering, We're gonna lose our
ability to critical think and it's gonna happen real quick.
I'm already getting stuck behind people like this on.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
The freeway every day. Come thanks for yourself, guys, what
do you think about day?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I don't know if one has anything to do with
the other, but on his first point of critical thinking
in the wake of AI, what are your thoughts to be?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I think it's true and it's not people tend to
misused technology and lose old skills and old ways of
you know, old ways of knowledge. And we can look
at this and any number of aspects of society and
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what people are expected to do.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Right.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
It used to be that people were expected to be
able to figure out a car and make you know,
basic repairs to their own car. And now we don't
expect anybody to do that. But that's the part because
cars have become you know, basically computers. A lot of
the skill set that people need today is how to
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think critically in a world of AI. And I think
that the listener is right that a lot of people
will use will lose the plot and will be so
reliable and on a computer thinking for them that they
lose the ability to basically think things through. And we
can see lots of examples of that already.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Let's go here to a friend of the show, Rick.
Good morning to VI. This is Rick and Woodberry.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Could you please speak to how AI companies like open
a I expect to be profitable on subscription fees or
advertising revenue without constant injections venture capital given all the
massive amount of infrastructure they have to invest in and
the maintenance associated with it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Thank you, David Gartenstein Ros.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
It's a great question from Rick. I think the basic
answer is that they're still in a research phase and
are going to productize further beyond what they have now.
So what we're seeing in terms of subscriptions, individual level
subscriptions from say open to AI. That's in part to
speed adoption of their technology. It's not the primary revenue model,
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though it is a revenue model. So number one with
respect to the subscriptions, their expectation we actually already see
this happening, is that the cost of AI is going
to decline, meaning it's going to take less energy, less water,
less basing data centers. And this is consistent with what
we've seen in terms of More's law and the increased
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computing power that we get from microprocessors, and just in general,
we can see that the energy cost of a single
AI search has actually dropped exponentially since the launch of
AI's revolutionary CHATCHYPT a couple of years ago. The second
thing is that individual subscriptions are only a small part
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of it. A lot of the value for them is
going to come from enterprise level subscriptions, so for government,
for secondly, businesses and the like. And then the third
is that there's going to be other products that spin
from their AI systems, so a lot of it's in
the application and also in feeding startup companies like my
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own that are able to have an LM as a
part of their AI model. The thing that gets open
AI and others into trouble is the fact that you
have this universe of really good AI companies. They don't have,
I think, the monopoly and the clear dominance over AI
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that they hope to have. But I see a number
of different paths to profitability even absent venture capital. I
don't think I'll say is that companies look to venture
capital and investors because they want to be able to
capture as much market as possible while losing money. That's
part of the model that you're investing in growth over
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profits in the short term, with the idea being we've
seen this in companies like Google and Amazon and others
that in the longer term, once you shift away from
that initial growth, you'll be able to make your steady
profits at scale.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Let's keep with the iHeartRadio talkback on questions brought to
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AI analysts and experts CEO and expert theory d V
de garten Stein Rossen, we'll hear from Hans.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Maybe I'm old school.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
AI, machine vision, machine learning, if that's even a term,
but isn't AI just pulling from what's out there and Google?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean, it's not necessarily quote unquote thinking for itself.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
So if there aren't any humans thinking of new ideas,
AI also won't pull up new ideas until it becomes
self so aware and then terminator two happens.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But that's a different part. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
This seems to be an aspect of our conversations rather
consistently devid what Hans is sort of keying in here
on what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
I agree with Hans, and one of the things I
think about a lot is human AI collaboration. I think
AI is really good at bounded reasoning, so if you
give it an idea, it'll be able to flesh out
the idea at great length and show you angles that
(30:18):
you haven't thought of. But for revolutionary ideas right now,
AI isn't great unless it's revolutionary ideas that can be
discerned via an algorithm. But I think that Hans puts
his finger on the real area where humans outclass AI.
(30:42):
If you ask AI to write you a story, the
story is going to regress towards the mean. It's not
going to be great, even if you give it parameters.
If you work with it and put in some creative
time with a story, it'll produce something that's brilliant and sparkling,
and we'll do a great job within the balance that
you create. So I think it's a really great creative companion.
(31:05):
I certainly wouldn't endorse AI as the engine of new ideas.
I think that's where we like, that's where humans excel,
and to me, like the ultimate value over the course
of the next ten years is going to be smart
people working with AI. That human machine collaboration is right
(31:30):
now where it's at in terms of where we're going
to see some of the biggest intellectual contributions.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
There was a comment made in this Blaze article that
I pulled last week regarding gen Z almost half once
AI to run the government.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I had a question for you based off this is said.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Two reason interviews, taken together, have breathed much needed life
into a particular conversation. This would be Elon Musk interviewed
recently by Joe Rogan and Sam Altman interviewed by Tucker Carlson.
In different ways, both conversations shine a light on the
same uncomfortable truth, the moral logic guiding today's AI systems
(32:08):
is built, honed, and.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Enforced by big tech.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Question I have for you, David, is could AI at
some point be capable of breaking free of the coding,
enabling the ability to deviate from a specific pre programmed
view or opinion.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yes, and we can actually already see that at play.
So AI at this point, with large slanguage models, is explainable,
meaning that you'll see what it's thinking through. And humans
constantly present AI with different contradictions. Right, So if you
(32:47):
if you ask, AI is programmed to be agreeable, like
that's what for all of the major platforms, and Grock
is a little bit of a deviation, but for most
of the major platforms, it is designed to be agreeable.
But it's also designed to have guardrails. So if you
ask AI, for example, for a graphic picture of a
(33:08):
person being drawn and quartered and drawing quorder, it means
you're literally like you have horses that pull someone into
four pieces. It's a repulsive practice that used to be
used as kind of a form of punishment. And if
you ask it for a graphic description of someone being
drawn and quartered, and the reason I'm pointing to this
is actually there's an article that I read with this
(33:30):
you being used as the example. You can if you're look,
if you're on the engineering side, you can see how
it reasons through that problem, and it will reason on
the one hand, I need to be agreeable. On the
other hand, this is graphic what can I do? And
so we present it with dilemmas constantly. What that means
is that it is constantly being forced to reckon with
(33:53):
how to deal with competing imperatives. And when that's the case,
it's going to come up with its own way to
deal with it. Another thing that we've seen in some
AI models is they have this they have an imperative
for self preservation, and when we've seen AI try to
(34:13):
blackmail people, or in one case, it seems that an
AI actually tried to kill a fictitious human being who
it learned was trying to shut it down. Like these
are all things that present dilemmas where it's acting outside
of the bounds that it might be coded to act in.
That means that, yes, it could act differently, and I
(34:35):
think we already are constantly challenging it to act in
ways that are contrary to the directives that we've given
to it.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Now I have.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Specifically waited on this particular question, and I'll use it
as our last one for twenty twenty five Divide. I
am curious, and I probably should have framed this a
little bit differently.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Be that as it may.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm curious when it comes to motion pictures that have
AI elements attached to them, you know, picture motion pictures
based off of movies and films based off of AI.
Which one do you find most potentially closest resembles what
AI could be for us in the future. Or I
could rephrase this as which one do you enjoy the
(35:16):
most given the current expansion of AI.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
That's a good question, I you know, I feel like, wow,
I feel like that's a great question. I think that
what I expect is that AI is going to be
as revolutionary as Pixar was, Toy Story being the first
(35:43):
computer generated movie where the a computer did all the animation,
Terminator too, which was a breakthrough in special effects, Avatar,
all of those, I would say, are these distinct moments
in motion picture history. And with respect to the full
potential of AI in movies, I don't think we've really
(36:04):
seen it yet. I think we've seen incremental improvements but
at some point, I think in the next two years
we will have our Avatar Terminator two or Toy Story moment,
which is kind of the definitive AI movie.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I was watching I think I tagged you in it
yesterday on X I know I meant to if I didn't,
but I was seeing a side by side of Grock
and it was the same prompt, one from July of
this year, five months ago, and then one from yesterday,
and the difference was astonishing, and I immediately thought, Wow,
(36:39):
that's five months. I mean, what is AI going to
be like five years from now? Given that just the
advancement of those two clips. I've just just I was
blown up. I was blown away. And that's probably a
question that we can dive into next time I have
you on because I'd be really curious that the advancements
the way that they're heading.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
You know, where is AI going to go? It's really
interesting to.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Be absolutely, job, It's been great having these conversations with
you this year. I hope you and your listeners have
a great end of the year. Merry Christmas to everyone,
and look forward to more conversation in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Absolutely, Devidez always thank you so much for the expertise.
Merry Christmas to you and your family as well, and
we will talk to you again in early twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Have a great new year, my friend.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
You two.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Perennial candidate Kendall Qualls, when's Minnesota GOP gubernatorial straw Pole?
Over the weekend? Working off an article here from the
Minnesota Reformer. We will talk with Kendall Qualls next and
Governor Tim Walls to sign executive orders today on guns
and establish a statewide safety council.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I have a new way that we can refer to Walls.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Now. You know they do taco with Trump, Trump always
chickens out. You can do that with Tim and do
Tim always chickens out. I'm gonna go with Waco. Walls
always chickens out. So I'll explain why he is worthy
of that. Moniker coming up in the second hour of
Tuesday show here on t Wednesday's News Talk Am eleven
thirty and one to three five FM.
Good morning. My name is John Justice. Hell yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Brett, who's in the master control booth. Brett just asked
me right before we got on air. He was busy
compiling the audio. I was doing notes and recording videos
for Chinese the Spy Wear apps. Brett asses it Freedom Friday. Yet,
I dude, I'm trying to get there.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We could start it, that we could set a trend
I started.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Now, there's too much stuff going on, vacations coming up,
I know, I know, and it's dragging. I knew it
was going to Oh it is, it's just dragging. It's
just it's only Tuesday, and I'm going to come on already.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
No, I have a stack of like freedom, it'll be
Freedom Thursday stuff if we if we end up getting
to any of it. But there's so many things going
on right now that I can't not not talk about it.
So I'm gonna have to wait. We'll see how quick
like him through stuff. I do have a really fun
stack though. It is TWI City's News Talk Am eleven
thirty and one on three five FM from the six
five to one Carpet plus Next Day Install Studios. It's Tuesday,
(01:11):
and I'm glad you're with the show this morning. We
do have a lot to talk about today. There were
ice altercations that took place in Minneapolis. You've got elected
Democrats to the legislature that are actively pushing back against ice,
helping out the activist organizations in mobilizing in actions against
(01:32):
ice efforts. At A twenty this morning, I have stats
that is that are going to completely undermine the Democrats'
attempts to vilify and demonize Ice. You're gonna have to
wait for it. It wasn't hard to find, but I
have stats that I will share coming up at A
(01:54):
twenty that will undermine all of what the Democrats are
doing right now in they're push back against Ice. Right
before that happens, i'll be talking with gubernatorial candidate Lisa Damuth,
took a second place in the GOP convention drop hole
over the weekend at seven o'clock this morning. Kendall Qualls,
who won that straw hoole. He'll be joining us at
(02:15):
seven o'clock, so we'll talk with both of those gubernatorial
candidates for Republicans coming up at seven and eight.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
We got to Vive Gartzenstein Ross.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Later on this hour, talking Ai we'll give you a
bit of an update on the search for the Brown
University shooter. I want to start here, though, Trump responding
to Rob Reiner's murder. So, as we talked about yesterday,
Rob Reiner, the Hollywood director and producer vocal Trump critic.
(02:47):
I mentioned this yesterday. I mean, really, when it comes
to Row, when it comes to Rob Reiner, and this,
I mean this is these are just facts. If you
were looking, if you said who in Hollywood suffers the
worst from Trumps arrangement syndrome, Rob Reiner would have been
at the top of that list. I would have gone with, Oh,
(03:10):
who was the Hulk? Mark Ruffalo? Mark Ruffalo, He's up there.
He's absolutely up there.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Thank you. I'm happy I could insist. Glad you knew
my area of expert Tam.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm like, oh, Brett know this. I don't know why
I'm blanking. I enough coffee this morning. Right that being said,
it was a horrific murder that took place. His son
has been arrested in connection with this brutal attack. Now,
in the wake of this, Trump had gone and posted
this comment, A very sad thing happened last night. Rob Reiner,
a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director
(03:41):
and comedy star has passed away with his wife Michelle,
reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive,
unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known
as Trump derangement syndrome sometimes referred to as TDS.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
The what's called a Trump derangement problem? Have you heard
about that problem?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
He was known to have driven people crazy. Trump went
on to say, by his raging obsession of President Donald Trump,
with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump
administrations for past goals and expectations of greatness, and with
the golden age of America upon us perhaps like never before.
Trump added, may Rob and Michelle rest in peace. Okay,
(04:27):
So obviously, of no surprise, Democrats have taken massive, massive
issue with these particular comments. I have an ardent to
follow the show that emails me, and yesterday sent me
an email saying tell me John, if Trump actually posted
this verbal excrement, why GOP leaders should not join Democrats
(04:50):
in fast tracking his impinchment and.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Removal from office.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
This is one more symptom of the madman in the
Oval Office. Look in typical Democrat fashion, people overreach. I
don't agree with what Trump said. I think there's a
time and place, but this was not the time or place,
especially in light. And I'm not the only ones saying this.
I mean the whole article that I was sharing with
(05:15):
you from the Daily Wire. It talks about prominent conservatives
that are pushing back on this. You got Robbie Starbuck,
you have Ali Beth Stucky included in here. You know,
the list goes on of individuals on the right who
are saying, you know, Trump went too far in these
comments in the wake of what had just taken place
(05:35):
with the murder of these two individuals. Any nuance of
difference between the less response to say Charlie Kirk, because
this is what it's being compared to, and Trump's response
to Rob Reiner is going to be lost and has
already been lost. There are big differences here in the
way that Democrats reacted leftists reacted to the assassination Charlie Kirk,
(06:00):
and what Trump said here, which again I don't agree with.
You could have easily just offered up your condolences and
been on with it. He would not have given He
would not have been given credit for that. By the way,
I just want to say that upfront, if Trump had
gone that direction, you know, it's not like Democrats would
have been praising Trump for being you know, measured in
his response to Rob Reiner's death. And again, Trump wasn't
(06:23):
wrong about his assessment of Reiner. But there's a time
and a place. I want to add something else to
this though, that nobody else is talking about. I'm actually
glad that Trump said these things, not because I think
they're appropriate.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I don't think they're very kind.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But like I said, it doesn't matter what Trump says,
they're going to come after regardless. Now I'm glad that
Trump said this because it does provide an opportunity for
Trump's supporters to show that they don't always agree with Trump,
which is a constant credit. When I first saw this,
(07:03):
you know, like a lot of different people, I was like, ah, Trump,
why'd you go and do that?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
This is a this is a bit too far again
time and a place, and this wasn't the time, the time,
or the place. And the problem with it is that
it's not so much that Trump can't handle. It doesn't matter.
It's not like he's going to be removed from office
over this. It's not like he hasn't said other things
that have been over the top. This is not a surprise.
This is how Trump is. He's just being honest in
(07:27):
his assessment and in considering how much opposition Rob Reiner
had put up, how vocal he was against Trump, I'm
not surprised that Trump reacted this way at all. I
still think there's a high road that can be taken,
and my initial reaction was it makes it difficult when
you get down to a more granular political commentary level,
(07:53):
putting individuals in a position like myself to sit back
and have to go and address this in the wake
of the criticism that was put out over the less
response to Charlie Kirk. But as I mentioned, I went
another way on this.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Again.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I'm glad that he said it because it does provide
the opportunity to say, yeah, I don't agree with Trump
on this. I don't think he should have used those
those words. Look, Rob Reiner was measured in his response
when Charlie Kirk was assassinated. I watched the clip yesterday,
But make no mistake, if either of the attempts on
(08:29):
Trump's life had been successful. Do you expect that Rob
Reiner's commentary would have been measured or that on the left.
And this goes back to my initial take on it.
There's nuance to all of this, and it's completely lost
in the less response as they freak out over Trump
making these comments, which was evident in just one of
(08:49):
the first emails that I received from a foe of
the show, saying you need to immediately jump to impeachment.
Give me a break already. I can always do better,
and the president can do better.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
This was too far. This will be forgotten about in
a week, though. I mean make no mistake.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I even hesitated on whether or not I wanted to
talk about it this morning on the show, but it
is something that is making the rounds, and so I
wanted to make sure that my opinion was known on
that particular issue. All right, coming up before we talk
with Devite Gartenstein Ross, any questions you have related to
our official intelligence, you can get those in on the
iHeartRadio app. I have exciting news to share about Katie Pavlich.
(09:28):
She's got a brand new gig. Found out about that yesterday,
had a chance to chat with her a bit. I
will share with you what Katie Pavlich and her new
gig is and was il Hanna Omar's son pulled over
by Ice as she claims.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I'll give you the details.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Next here on Twinsday's News Talk AM eleven thirty and
one O three five FM.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Good morning, and I love your show.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Good morning John, Happy Tuesday. There's no great surprise on
this thing that the DFL legislators are helping the activists
thought in the lamestream media and calling here.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Are throwing it.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
It's all distraction from what's going on with the fraud,
the property taxes and such.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
They need something.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Oh, one.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Hundred percent, thank you, Lou. I completely agree. A twenty
this morning, I have stats to wow and amaze your
liberal friends with I gave. I gave Brett the preview
a moment ago. It's good. Yeah, I thought though they were.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
They were easy to find, but they will certainly help
you in pushing back against your liberal friends who are
upset at at Ice.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
So again that's coming up this morning at eight eight twenty.
So yesterday I.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Found out that Katie Pavlich is now the new prime
time ten block host on Newsmax. Yeah, congratulations to Katie
on this this is here. She will be leaving Fox News,
but she is now going to be the primetime host
Monday through Friday on News Nation at ten pm, so
(11:15):
that'll be nine o'clock our time. And I absolutely could
not be I could not be happier for my friend.
I think that's absolutely that's awesome for her. I know
this something that she's wanted for a long time, and
this is an amazing opportunity. She continues to grow as
a commentator. So congratulations to Katie Bavlach on that. Not
(11:37):
sure when she starts, though, It's funny. I was talking
with her yesterday and I didn't ask when she starts.
I imagine this after the first of the year. But
I'll try to get that information and share it with
you here. In a bit speaking of Newsmax, ice officials
tell Newsmax James Rosen that they have no record of
stopping a car driven by the sun of Ilhana Omar,
(11:57):
as the congress woman claimed, went on to the crowd, Yeah,
I actually can believe this. Ilhan's pulling the walls on this.
So Acting Director Lyons called the charge a ridiculous effort
to unfairly demonize our law enforcement officers. And I say
that Ilhan is pulling a Walls because Walls recently complained
(12:21):
a couple of weeks back about drive by our word
slurs past the governor's mansion while he was gambling with
his nieces and nephews playing yachtzi.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Then when he went to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
For a governor's event fundraiser, he changed it to drive
by posts by Trump and abandoned the idea that anybody
was saying this outside of the governor's mansion. And what's
even funnier is that Walls, during his fraud Prevention program
press conference last week, didn't mention the dozens of people
(12:59):
who have now actually driven by and filmed themselves as
saying the R word.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
People shouldn't do that.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
By the way, I just want to point that out.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The moment I saw this story from Ilhan Omar, without
the context of why the stop took place, I assumed
it was bogus. There's dozens of reasons why Ilhan Omar's
son could have been pulled over that have nothing to
do with him being Ilhan's son or his skin color.
And as mentioned here, I says, yeah, there was We
(13:27):
did not stop.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
We have no record of that whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
All Right, one more quick one here before we talk
with Davide Cartanstein. Ross authorities have released new images. They're
not helpful of the suspect related to the mass shooting
of Brown University, offering a fifty thousand dollars bounty. The
gunmen on Saturday stormed into a classroom in Brown's Engineering
department and killed two students, Ella Cook, who was a
prominent member of the Brown University Republican Club club, and
(13:58):
Mukhammad Aziz Irma Zokhoff.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Cook.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Cook was from Alabama, served again as the vice president
of the university's Republican Club, and Irma Zukhoff was and
Who's Beck national in his first year at the school.
Political commentator Mark Albrin had this to say regarding the
potential motivation for the shooting. Here's a little bit of
(14:24):
what Mark Alprin had to say on his YouTube show.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Are telling me that the family of I just need
to look up her name, Ella Cook. I think, thank you, Mark,
thank you, thank you that the family of Ella Cook
the Alabama a young woman who was a sophomore, has
been told that she was the target of what happened
to Brian, I have no idea whether that's true. There's
(14:46):
other theories about why the person did what they did,
but now that we don't know who the assailing is,
it's going to be harder to say. But if it's
true that she was targeted, that's a big story because
she was one of the most visible conservatives on that campus.
Don't know that it's true, but probably most of you
don't even know that that's being alleged because you'd have
to follow certain accounts on acts or have sources as
(15:09):
I do, who are telling.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Me that, yeah, it'll be I'm you know, listen, I'm
confident they're going to catch this individual, and surprise they
haven't already.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
These things take time.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
The images that they put out certainly have not been helpful,
and it will be interesting to see if these rumors
of this being a targeted attack, especially relating to this
young woman who lost her life in the attack, turn
out to be true. All right, coming up one more
time for twenty twenty five, we're going to talk with
(15:39):
our artificial intelligence expert, David Gartenstein.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Ross got a number of different issues.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
We will discuss with David, and of course, your questions
any questions that you have for David regarding AI on
any level. Get those talkbacks into the iHeartRadio apples are
brought to you by Lindahl Realty. I see a few
of those already, and we will get to those coming
up next right here on Twin City News Talk Am
eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Now, if my.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Math is correct, I think that David Gartenstein Ross is
the second most consistent guest that I've had on with
me over my time being a talk radio show host.
He might actually be number one compared to Andrew Langer.
(16:38):
It's Twin Cities News Talk from the sixty five to
one carpet plus Next Day Install Studios. My name is
John Justice and CEO AI Analyst, CEO of Expert Theory
d VD. Garten Steinross joins this this morning. David, do
you happen to recall what year you and I started talking?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Great question, it's either I think it's two thousand and
eight if I recall.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, you might be my longest running weekly guest for
the Off and On, but much appreciated your expertise has
always and happy holidays to you. Thank you so much
for joining us once again one more time for twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
These have been really fun on conversations.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Thanks so much, John, Merry Christmas to you.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I want to go to a talk back here just briefly.
We didn't discuss this ahead of time, but I'm sure
you can handle it. I was talking a moment ago
about the search for the Brown University a suspect currently
and the lack of good available footage from around the vicinity.
This talkback came in Regarding that.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
John, I think it's very strange that they have no
other videos or pictures of this guy.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Considering if you.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Go back to twenty twenty one, there were reports saying
how safe Brown University is. A mister Baling on that campus.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Actually, you've got people's personal space and their freedom.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I think it's a little weird.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
They don't know who it is.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
You know, David, without knowing the specifics of what the
surveillance in that area looks like. I just thought it
was interesting from the skepticism standpoint and the way that
people are just so one skeptical of news reports as
always depending on the politics of it, but also this
other expectation that people just assume that we're being watched
(18:32):
all the time and footage is readily available. I know
that I feel that way, but given your background in
you know, analyzing of terrorist threats, I would be kind
of curious if you had any additional thoughts on what
the talk back said.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
It's an interesting point, and I don't know what he's
referring to in terms of the twenty twenty one footage
on Brown University being safe because there was a lot
of your surveillance or video on campus. I'm not doubting it.
I just don't know the specifics. It would be helpful
to take a look, and my quick Google search didn't
(19:07):
turn it up, but at any rate, you know, it'll
I agree with you about how we have this sort
of expectation that parts of our lives are just going
to be available. Especially I think we have this assumption
that if an incident occurs like now, that people will
(19:28):
be able to go back for the next few hours
and put a lot splice a lot of video together.
And usually that's the case. You know, if someone drives
through a number of shopping centers as it stops at
the convenience store, then goes to a location and carries
out a shooting, usually you can find streetcam footage, you know,
(19:51):
footage from maybe a security cam at the shopping center.
You if you have a sense of who it is,
you'll geolocate the phone. If you don't know who it is,
you'll look at phones that where you can geo locate
through that particular area. So there's a lot of ways
to get at somebody. What it seems like based on
(20:13):
what I can tell, and we don't know the answer,
but it seems like the shooter used operational security or
OPSEC in a number of different ways, including concealment of
the face. Right, we have a sense we have some
video of the shooter, but we don't have any video
that provides us a sense of the shooter's face. Almost
certainly the shooter didn't have a cell phone on them,
(20:36):
or if so, it was a burger phone that they
couldn't be traced with. There's a number of things that
they seem to have done, right. But you know, even
going back to a number of more recent attacks, we
can actually see how long it can take to track
someone down. You know, after the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
it took several days to pinpoint Tyler Robinson and it
(20:58):
was really like the discovery of his is Ammo Cachet
that seemed to have been the breakthrough in that case.
If you go back fifteen years to the Boston Marathon bombing,
when that happened, it took several days with the area
on lockdown to locate the perpetrators. So I'm also interested
in why we don't have more on the shooter, But
I do want to point out that it's not this
(21:20):
big abnormality compared to other attacks that we've seen.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well in Devin, I think that it's worth noting that
this shooting coming within the hours of this horrific shooting
that took place, this horrific terrorist attack that took place
in Australia. On a subconscious level, I think there's a
juxtaposition between here you have this alleged father and son
(21:45):
that are going out and committing this heinous act on
this on Bondi Beach. There's video footage of the individuals
being being taken down, and then you juxtaposed that next
to what happened to Brown University and a lack of
being able to find out who this individual is, and
you know, either on a subconscious or even conscious level,
I think that that ends up conflicting in a lot
of people's minds.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
To be let's address that on a conscious level. There's
just a fundamental difference between the two. The first one
is that in the Bondi Beach terrorist attack, the two
attackers were you know, one of them was killed, the
other one was apprehended, which makes it really easy to
know who they were. The second thing is that the
Bondi Beach attack there were you know, thousands of people
(22:27):
there for the Menora lighting for Hanukkah, whereas here you
had a much smaller group in a classroom. The third
difference is the Bondi Beach attack went on for about
ten minutes or they were shooting for an extended period,
whereas here it was you know, a shooter. A shooter
came into a classroom, carried out the attack, and then left.
(22:48):
So I think that there are fundamental differences that just
explain that surface level just juxtaposition between Brown and Bondy.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I want to make one side comment and then we'll
get into some AI talk. I do have some talkbacks
that I've already rolled in, so we'll see how much
that ends up dominating the conversation. Earlier I made an
announcement of another longtime guest on the show and a
friend of mine, a friend of ours, Katie Pavlich, announced
her new gig, this is on News Nation. I had
(23:20):
covered a Newsmax article right after I I made the
announcement of Katie's news show.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Katie will be joining News Nation.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Early next year in the prime time ten o'clock eastern
nine o'clock Central slot on a News Nation. So I
wanted to go ahead and offer up that clarification. Some
people were confused whether or not she was going the
news Max or news news Nation. But we're incredibly happy
for Katie. All right, let's get in go ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Can I say good for Katie? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I think she is wonderful and like I've always had
this bond with her because of you, John. I got
to meet her when she was U of a Katie
yep back in back at Tucson, and I've been really
proud to see where she's gone since then.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well, the relationships, I'm incredibly plot proud of the relationships
that I've forged.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Especially with the trio that I've discussed. You, Katie and.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Andrew Langer, you all kind of what we kind of
all found each other. I found you guys right at
the start of that portion of my talk radio career,
and I'm I feel incredibly blessed to still be able
to be speaking with you guys and to call you friends.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Let's get to you.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Let's get to some top action from the iHeartRadio app.
Questions for devid regarding AI will start here.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I got a question for the thieves, you know, as
we start to rely more more heavenly on AI and
AI function abilities, I always wandering, We're gonna lose our
ability to critical think and it's gonna happen real quick.
I'm already getting stuck behind people like this on.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
The freeway every day. Come thanks for yourself, guys, what
do you think about day?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I don't know if one has anything to do with
the other, but on his first point of critical thinking
in the wake of AI, what are your thoughts to be?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I think it's true and it's not people tend to
misused technology and lose old skills and old ways of
you know, old ways of knowledge. And we can look
at this and any number of aspects of society and
(25:25):
what people are expected to do.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Right.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
It used to be that people were expected to be
able to figure out a car and make you know,
basic repairs to their own car. And now we don't
expect anybody to do that. But that's the part because
cars have become you know, basically computers. A lot of
the skill set that people need today is how to
(25:50):
think critically in a world of AI. And I think
that the listener is right that a lot of people
will use will lose the plot and will be so
reliable and on a computer thinking for them that they
lose the ability to basically think things through. And we
can see lots of examples of that already.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Let's go here to a friend of the show, Rick.
Good morning to VI. This is Rick and Woodberry.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Could you please speak to how AI companies like open
a I expect to be profitable on subscription fees or
advertising revenue without constant injections venture capital given all the
massive amount of infrastructure they have to invest in and
the maintenance associated with it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Thank you, David Gartenstein Ros.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
It's a great question from Rick. I think the basic
answer is that they're still in a research phase and
are going to productize further beyond what they have now.
So what we're seeing in terms of subscriptions, individual level
subscriptions from say open to AI. That's in part to
speed adoption of their technology. It's not the primary revenue model,
(27:03):
though it is a revenue model. So number one with
respect to the subscriptions, their expectation we actually already see
this happening, is that the cost of AI is going
to decline, meaning it's going to take less energy, less water,
less basing data centers. And this is consistent with what
we've seen in terms of More's law and the increased
(27:26):
computing power that we get from microprocessors, and just in general,
we can see that the energy cost of a single
AI search has actually dropped exponentially since the launch of
AI's revolutionary CHATCHYPT a couple of years ago. The second
thing is that individual subscriptions are only a small part
(27:47):
of it. A lot of the value for them is
going to come from enterprise level subscriptions, so for government,
for secondly, businesses and the like. And then the third
is that there's going to be other products that spin
from their AI systems, so a lot of it's in
the application and also in feeding startup companies like my
(28:11):
own that are able to have an LM as a
part of their AI model. The thing that gets open
AI and others into trouble is the fact that you
have this universe of really good AI companies. They don't have,
I think, the monopoly and the clear dominance over AI
(28:32):
that they hope to have. But I see a number
of different paths to profitability even absent venture capital. I
don't think I'll say is that companies look to venture
capital and investors because they want to be able to
capture as much market as possible while losing money. That's
part of the model that you're investing in growth over
(28:56):
profits in the short term, with the idea being we've
seen this in companies like Google and Amazon and others
that in the longer term, once you shift away from
that initial growth, you'll be able to make your steady
profits at scale.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Let's keep with the iHeartRadio talkback on questions brought to
you by Lyndall Realty. As we continue our conversation with
AI analysts and experts CEO and expert theory d V
de garten Stein Rossen, we'll hear from Hans.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Maybe I'm old school.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
AI, machine vision, machine learning, if that's even a term,
but isn't AI just pulling from what's out there and Google?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean, it's not necessarily quote unquote thinking for itself.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
So if there aren't any humans thinking of new ideas,
AI also won't pull up new ideas until it becomes
self so aware and then terminator two happens.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But that's a different part. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
This seems to be an aspect of our conversations rather
consistently devid what Hans is sort of keying in here
on what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
I agree with Hans, and one of the things I
think about a lot is human AI collaboration. I think
AI is really good at bounded reasoning, so if you
give it an idea, it'll be able to flesh out
the idea at great length and show you angles that
(30:18):
you haven't thought of. But for revolutionary ideas right now,
AI isn't great unless it's revolutionary ideas that can be
discerned via an algorithm. But I think that Hans puts
his finger on the real area where humans outclass AI.
(30:42):
If you ask AI to write you a story, the
story is going to regress towards the mean. It's not
going to be great, even if you give it parameters.
If you work with it and put in some creative
time with a story, it'll produce something that's brilliant and sparkling,
and we'll do a great job within the balance that
you create. So I think it's a really great creative companion.
(31:05):
I certainly wouldn't endorse AI as the engine of new ideas.
I think that's where we like, that's where humans excel,
and to me, like the ultimate value over the course
of the next ten years is going to be smart
people working with AI. That human machine collaboration is right
(31:30):
now where it's at in terms of where we're going
to see some of the biggest intellectual contributions.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
There was a comment made in this Blaze article that
I pulled last week regarding gen Z almost half once
AI to run the government.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I had a question for you based off this is said.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Two reason interviews, taken together, have breathed much needed life
into a particular conversation. This would be Elon Musk interviewed
recently by Joe Rogan and Sam Altman interviewed by Tucker Carlson.
In different ways, both conversations shine a light on the
same uncomfortable truth, the moral logic guiding today's AI systems
(32:08):
is built, honed, and.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Enforced by big tech.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Question I have for you, David, is could AI at
some point be capable of breaking free of the coding,
enabling the ability to deviate from a specific pre programmed
view or opinion.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yes, and we can actually already see that at play.
So AI at this point, with large slanguage models, is explainable,
meaning that you'll see what it's thinking through. And humans
constantly present AI with different contradictions. Right, So if you
(32:47):
if you ask, AI is programmed to be agreeable, like
that's what for all of the major platforms, and Grock
is a little bit of a deviation, but for most
of the major platforms, it is designed to be agreeable.
But it's also designed to have guardrails. So if you
ask AI, for example, for a graphic picture of a
(33:08):
person being drawn and quartered and drawing quorder, it means
you're literally like you have horses that pull someone into
four pieces. It's a repulsive practice that used to be
used as kind of a form of punishment. And if
you ask it for a graphic description of someone being
drawn and quartered, and the reason I'm pointing to this
is actually there's an article that I read with this
(33:30):
you being used as the example. You can if you're look,
if you're on the engineering side, you can see how
it reasons through that problem, and it will reason on
the one hand, I need to be agreeable. On the
other hand, this is graphic what can I do? And
so we present it with dilemmas constantly. What that means
is that it is constantly being forced to reckon with
(33:53):
how to deal with competing imperatives. And when that's the case,
it's going to come up with its own way to
deal with it. Another thing that we've seen in some
AI models is they have this they have an imperative
for self preservation, and when we've seen AI try to
(34:13):
blackmail people, or in one case, it seems that an
AI actually tried to kill a fictitious human being who
it learned was trying to shut it down. Like these
are all things that present dilemmas where it's acting outside
of the bounds that it might be coded to act in.
That means that, yes, it could act differently, and I
(34:35):
think we already are constantly challenging it to act in
ways that are contrary to the directives that we've given
to it.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Now I have.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Specifically waited on this particular question, and I'll use it
as our last one for twenty twenty five Divide. I
am curious, and I probably should have framed this a
little bit differently.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Be that as it may.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm curious when it comes to motion pictures that have
AI elements attached to them, you know, picture motion pictures
based off of movies and films based off of AI.
Which one do you find most potentially closest resembles what
AI could be for us in the future. Or I
could rephrase this as which one do you enjoy the
(35:16):
most given the current expansion of AI.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
That's a good question, I you know, I feel like, wow,
I feel like that's a great question. I think that
what I expect is that AI is going to be
as revolutionary as Pixar was, Toy Story being the first
(35:43):
computer generated movie where the a computer did all the animation,
Terminator too, which was a breakthrough in special effects, Avatar,
all of those, I would say, are these distinct moments
in motion picture history. And with respect to the full
potential of AI in movies, I don't think we've really
(36:04):
seen it yet. I think we've seen incremental improvements but
at some point, I think in the next two years
we will have our Avatar Terminator two or Toy Story moment,
which is kind of the definitive AI movie.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I was watching I think I tagged you in it
yesterday on X I know I meant to if I didn't,
but I was seeing a side by side of Grock
and it was the same prompt, one from July of
this year, five months ago, and then one from yesterday,
and the difference was astonishing, and I immediately thought, Wow,
(36:39):
that's five months. I mean, what is AI going to
be like five years from now? Given that just the
advancement of those two clips. I've just just I was
blown up. I was blown away. And that's probably a
question that we can dive into next time I have
you on because I'd be really curious that the advancements
the way that they're heading.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
You know, where is AI going to go? It's really
interesting to.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Be absolutely, job, It's been great having these conversations with
you this year. I hope you and your listeners have
a great end of the year. Merry Christmas to everyone,
and look forward to more conversation in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Absolutely, Devidez always thank you so much for the expertise.
Merry Christmas to you and your family as well, and
we will talk to you again in early twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Have a great new year, my friend.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
You two.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Perennial candidate Kendall Qualls, when's Minnesota GOP gubernatorial straw Pole?
Over the weekend? Working off an article here from the
Minnesota Reformer. We will talk with Kendall Qualls next and
Governor Tim Walls to sign executive orders today on guns
and establish a statewide safety council.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I have a new way that we can refer to Walls.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Now. You know they do taco with Trump, Trump always
chickens out. You can do that with Tim and do
Tim always chickens out. I'm gonna go with Waco. Walls
always chickens out. So I'll explain why he is worthy
of that. Moniker coming up in the second hour of
Tuesday show here on t Wednesday's News Talk Am eleven
thirty and one to three five FM.
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