December 10, 2025 • 41 mins
For Hour 2 of the show Jon is joined by Minnesota Governor Candidate Chris Madel to talk about his campaign.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
John's not from one Berry. Hey, I don't know why
people are so worried about ICE saving.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
If you're not illegal, you shouldn't have a problem.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good morning, John. It looks like we have a new
civil rights icon. There was MLK, there was Rosa Parks.
Now I got this woman that had to talk to
the cops for a couple of minutes. The bravery is
just stunning.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
It is thank you for the talkback.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Stunning is the appropriate word here on Twin Cities News
Talk as we chronicle the tale of a Minneapolis woman,
Sue Tincher said she had to spend four hours as
shackled in a jail cell Tuesday after being detained by
ICE agents. Kim Katie USA on x had posted further
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video of Sue tincher Minnesota residence will Or Hay neighborhood
of North Minneapolis, awakened to buy an alert from the
Signal Rapid Response Group that three of her neighbors were
being detained. I have audio of Sue here on Twin
Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty one oh three five
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FM from the sixty five to one Carpet plus Next
Day Install Studios. I will share with you. She tells
the story, the harrowing story of what had actually taken place.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
What you're doing is illegal?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Why are you arresting her?
Speaker 7 (01:38):
It was about six thirty and I got the alert
on the North Minneapolis Rapid Response Group that there was
an abduction happening. So I went right over there and
I approached one of the officers I saw there and
asked if she was ICE, and she told me to
get back, and I didn't get back, and pretty soon
they were throwing on the ground.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And again it's a nice little YadA YadA moment, just
you know, I told me to get back. I didn't
get back, and then they attacked.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Me, handcuffing me and putting me in there unmarked truck.
It was pretty chaotic. I had just arrived there, so
I didn't get to evaluate it fully. But there were
other watchers who were asking me what my name was
and everything, so I identified myself to them, and then I
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started yelling help because I was being kidnapped.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I felt like, boy, this is unbelievable because she's being kidnapped.
You watched the video.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
There's multiple ICE agents, law enforcement, there's bystanders watching.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
They're filming this whole thing. Taking place.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
If she's legitimately being kidnapped, why aren't people doing more?
Like if I have a friend and he's like legitimately
being kidnapped, or my wife, for my children, I'm going
to risk harm, physical harm to protect them if it's unjustified, unjustified,
if like you're legitimately being kidnapped. No, it's performative, it's theater.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
This is the.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Greatest moment in this woman's life in decades.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
Well, that this is happening in our country right now,
But really most of my concern was for the people
inside that house and their families and what is.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Happening in the country right now.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
What happened to you?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
You got in a way of law enforcement doing their job.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
That's on you. I hope that happens more in this country.
I hope that ICE officials continue their efforts, more people
join ICE so that more individuals who are here illegally,
they didn't respect the sovereignty of this great nation are
deported and sent back home.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
And they have to face a lot more than I
did just sitting in a cell for a few hours
with leg shackles on. But I think the focus really
belongs with them. I did see seven other detainees come
in and I was looking at them through the window
of my cell.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So I feel very badly for them. Oh, it's just
so sad.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
She was never arrested. She was detained and then released.
But of course we had to watch her video interview
where she said she had been kidnapped and her husband
said she was kidnapped.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Don't get to the husband in a moment.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
These people are completely insane born.
Speaker 9 (04:39):
And everybody Chad from Delano here. So when I was
just listening to that story there, well, I know exactly
what happened. She refused and stood her ground and got
everything that she deserved. Be an ice observer, if that's
what you're calling yourself, you still have to follow directions
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and move when they tell you to move, and jump
when they tell you to jump, and even ask them
how high.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Have a great I have marks on my neck and
on my wrists from where they were, you know, forcibly
holding on to me, and they told me if I
didn't watch myself, they were going to give me the OC,
which is very unpleasant. What drew me out was hoping
that I could help protect my neighbors and.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
What are you going to do like this.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Kidnapping that's happening to you know, our fellow Minneapolitans.
Speaker 10 (05:37):
So does any of this experience like impede you from
doing this in the future or is it the opposite?
Speaker 7 (05:43):
No, it empowers me. I definitely want to do it more.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
What is it you're going to do? You're not bad woman.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
What is it you think you're going to accomplish.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Other than being an embarrassment to your husband? This was
posted on north News. Northsider Susan tensher taken away by
what her husband assumes were ice agents. No idea where
she is, said Jim Susan's husband. This is just ridiculous.
According to Jim, Susan had recently joined the Signal Group
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to observe ice in public. When she responded to an
alert to an ice presence at a house at twenty
first in Oliver, she was allegedly apprehended quickly by what
appeared to be ice agents and playing clothes when she
walked up to the intersection. Yeah, that's all that was.
She was just walking up to the intersection and ice
just came over, grabbed her, threw a bag over ahead
and tossed her in the car. That's what they want
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you to believe. It's the fantasy world these individuals living.
I'm sorry I stole the thunder on this talkback. My apologies.
You know there's a part of me that really wants
to live in this crazy fantasy world.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (07:01):
What kind of drugs are you people on?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
It's liberalism, that's the drug.
Speaker 11 (07:08):
Another point this morning, John, Do these people have nothing
better to do? Do they not have jobs? Do they
really just sit around and wait for their rapid response
a group to go downstairs and interfere with law enforcement?
Who do these people think they are? This is infuriating,
yet comical, almost speechless. This is something else, man.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Getting back to the story, help me. Susan's screamed as
you heard as she was arrested by the uniformed agents
at six twenty four am.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Damp what I.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
What you're doing?
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So this is the guy the bystanding the dude standing
there holding his phone so bravely saying.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Hey, what you're doing is illegal? Why don't you step
in and help her?
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Dude?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
If what law enforcement is doing is illegal, you obviously
don't care enough about your neighbor. They care enough to
brave the freezing temperatures outside to watch ICE conduct their
operations in some quasi alert response to tactic wherein they
are supposed to be accomplishing something because they care so
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much about their neighbors who are being arrested via ICE.
And what does that Yahoo do in the middle of
one of his fellow protesters and one of his fellow
alert responders is getting arrested, Rather than step in and
try to help her because they're all about helping people,
he stands there filming with his phone, going, you know,
what you're doing is illegal.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
What you're doing is illegal.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I can't mock these people enough morning John. She sounds
just like Margie, the police officer from the movie Fargo.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Ice agents had a professional camera creo with them. According
to the reporting on North News, Jim Sue's husband has
reached out to Attorney General Keith Ellison, among other elected officials.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
It's all so ridiculous, Keith.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
My wife she just you know, she responded because she
joined up with this activist group and she got in
the way of law enforcement from doing their jobs, and
she was taken into custody for obstructing law enforcement. Is
there something you can do you're all about corruption, You're
all about fraud.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
There was already a vigil for Susan taking place tonight.
She's free.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Why are you holding a vigil? Sorry, guys, I just can't.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Hey, John, that's the one thing I don't get. Why
doesn't ICE have like decoy operations where you know, they
send a few agents, make a big scene and not
actually do anything. Put it on the social media, the Facebook,
even as a fake person to say, hey, there's an
operation going down here.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I don't want ICE doing that. ICE doesn't need to
do that.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
We don't need to waste our law enforcement officers time.
I understand, right, I understand what it is that you
that you're that you're getting at right in order to
try to avoid all of this. But I don't want
our ICE agents having to waste their time having to
conduct the decoy operations. No ICE is doing the job
that they need to do. The only reason why there
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is any issue with what is taking place right now
here in the Twin Cities relating to ICE operations is
because of idiots like I've been mocking right now on
the show. The Saint Louis Park mayor, Minneapolis man Baby
mayor mom Jeans, Jacob Fry, Walls, Ellison, all of them,
the Minneapolis City Council, the ones that are perpetuating all
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of these fake, false narratives as to what's taking place.
People get arrested every single day. Law enforcement pulls people
over every single day and there's never a problem. It's
never an issue. Warrants are issued and executed every single day,
and nobody ever hears about it because it's not controversial.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
The people are.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Taken into custody because they broke the law and they're
held accountable. And yet because Democrats right now have so
little to run on, they care so little about the issues,
they have gone all in on this anti Trump narrative
that this is where we are right now, performative activist
theater perpetuating these ridiculous notions that is putting the public.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
In harm's way. The public is.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Safer if you just let ice go and do their
job and take the bad guys out of the homes
that they were living in and send them back from
where they came from. No incident, bad guy caught put
in car, gone done easy. Nobody's affected, Nobody in the
communities are affected. Everybody's safe as long as you're here legally.
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It's the activist. They're the ones that are causing all
the problems right now, and they deserve everybody's mocking.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
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Speaker 12 (12:25):
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Speaker 6 (12:33):
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Speaker 5 (12:39):
Continuing the saga of Siue Tinsure for you longtime listeners
of me, I can't help but think about the continuing
saga of Macho b Again. That's for you long time
listeners to my show, The continuing adventures of Sue Tincher,
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the brave ICE activist who went out in the bitter
cold to try to protect her neighbors from being removed
for their criminal activity and being here illegally, only to
get apprehended herself HEMAI.
Speaker 13 (13:18):
In the last few hours, community members on Minneapolis's North
Side gathering rallying around an ICE observer who was detained
during a raid. Susan Tenher said she arrived at the
raid at Oliver in twenty first Avenues around six this
morning and was asked by an agent who she was,
and the agent told her to back up. She says,
she refused.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
And I stood my ground. I just stood there on
the sidewalk and other officers came up and I was
thrown to the ground.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Just YadA, YadA, YadA, toss to the ground.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
What she doing is illegal?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Ah.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
The audio their courtesy of Caro Levin.
Speaker 14 (13:57):
Good Morning, John. So the woman who was apprehended in
North Minneapolis because she got in the way of ice
agents who are trying to do their jobs.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
So imagine.
Speaker 14 (14:08):
And one callback just said something about do they not
have jobs? Well, maybe they're collecting on their Minnesota paid
family and medical leave to protect their neighbor, because you
can do it with that leave. Crazy, it's all nuts.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Oh oh, I'd even thought about that.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah, if they're your neighbor and you want to go
and help your neighbor, can you get paid family medical
leave to go and protest?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
This is going to be such an absolute disaster.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
When I can't find my wife, when I haven't heard
from her in.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
A while, I look on Google Map and it fills
me where she is because we fear out locations that
we've got to. Well, I don't know what's wrong with
the couple.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
This whole thing with the husbands to post online.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I don't know where she went. Everybody she got a
text of where to go?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Hey, John, Jeff and Lynstrom. You know, talk about this
liberalism and the crazy that it is. It has become
and is a religion. These people a lot of feeling
persecuted in these times.
Speaker 13 (15:22):
This woman is sad and lonely and dying for attention
and virtue signaling seems to be the way to do it,
at least temporarily for her.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Performative activist theater Pat.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Oh, I like that. That's good. All right, let's go here.
This is FROMALFA News.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
I'm almost hesitant to even bring it up right now,
looking at the clock, because this is going to require
more conversation. But I'm here, so I'll give you just
a bit of the details and we'll get into this
after my interview with Chris maddele here in a few
minutes on the show. So we continue the broadcast from
the sixty five to one carpet plus Next Day install studios.
So you remember the Minnesota Rehabilitation and Reinvestment Act that
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was passed party line vote, signed by Governor Tim Walls
during the time of the Minnesota DFL trifecta in twenty
twenty three. This gave the Department of Corrections authority to
decide if we're when inmates could be eligible for release
from prison. An inmate who was among the first to
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be released under the Minnesota Rehabilitation and Reinvestment Act is
now a.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
One in fugitive. Oh yeah, already right out of the gate.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
First person released under this controversial program that Republicans opposed,
and she's already a one fugitive. I'll give you details
on this coming up a little later on in the
in the show, I want to make sure that we
keep on time. Attorney Chris Maddele represented State Trooper Ryan Londrigan,
is a murder case recently announced his Minnesota gubernatorial run,
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growing the ever expanding list of GOP candidates for governor.
And we're going to talk with Chris maddle next here
on Twin Cities News Talk AM eleven thirty and one
oh three five FM.
Speaker 12 (17:26):
Next Day Installs studios. This is Twin Cities News Talk.
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Speaker 5 (17:43):
Earlier in the week, the Star Tribune ran a story
talking about the gubernatorial candidates on the GOP side who
want to go up against Governor Tim Walls, assuming he's
still the nominee heading into next year. As I predicted,
he was either going to avoid the media or leave town.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
And he's left town. He's in Seattle.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I have audio of him telling his sob stories and
trying to play the victim.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
We'll get to that a little bit later on in
the hour.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
At this town hall with these candidates for a governor,
Chris Mattel, whom recently announced that he was going to
be throwing his hat into the ring for governor, he
was asked how to make life more affordable for Minnesotans.
This is what he had to say at that town hall.
Speaker 15 (18:28):
First question, the rise in cost of living was one
of the top issues identified in the recent election by voters.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Name some things you can do as governor to make.
Speaker 15 (18:39):
The cost of living more affordable for the average Minnesota.
Speaker 16 (18:44):
The first thing that I proposed was increasing the standard
deduction to seventy five thousand dollars. I think that the
first seventy five thousand hours should be exempt from Minnesota
income tax.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Second thing is property tax.
Speaker 16 (18:56):
We have to have property taxes for it is getting
at ridiculous that you have to rebuy your home every
year that you're going forward right now. I also believe
that at age sixty five, your property taxes should just
be frozen. You should not be thinking into retirement about
whether or not you're going to be able to actually
afford your own right now. The number one best way
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to put money into people's pockets right now is what
taxer for. I found out in college that the easiest
way for me not to spend money was not to
have any money, and you're doing. We need to do
the exact same thing with government right now. We need
to start cutting the taxes, squeezing the budget so that
we actually find the things that we actually need to prioritize,
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because right now, what's all that's happening since twenty eighteen
is we're throwing money out the window with respective fraud
over and over and over again. Unless we stop doing that,
it's going to continue, and we've done nothing about it
in years.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
See Chris Maddel was so precise in his answer during
that forum, I figured I would share that audio with
him before I have a chance to speak with him
on the show to take care of that portion in
our line of questioning today and Chris maddele joins us
on the show this morning. Attorney, thank you so much
for coming on and on such a short notice too, Chris,
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I appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (20:15):
Oh absolutely, thank you. John.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
We were talking here.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
We were talking quite a bit about wasteful spending in
the first hour of the show. I encourage everybody to
go take a listen to the podcast to check that out.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Let's start off here.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I do want to get through some of the more
controversial aspects of your announcing in your background before we
do that, though, Let's just start off with the basic one.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Chris.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
We haven't had a chance to speak since you've made
the announcement to run for governor.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
What ultimately led you to make this decision.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
You've been successful as an attorney here, You've been doing
a lot of good here in Minnesota as an attorney.
I'm wondering what was it that put you in a
position where you said, this is something I need to
do to join all these other individuals to run for governor.
Speaker 10 (20:59):
It was very similar to the reason that I started
throwing my hat and the rain to help police officers.
I just saw the existing what was happening out there,
and I knew that if I didn't try to help
that I was going to hold it against myself and
what kind of example of my leaving.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
For my daughters.
Speaker 10 (21:19):
So I just I really truly enjoy helping people, and
that's really, honestly the main reason I want to do this.
It certainly is not for the money.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
John, at the forum, and I talked about this yesterday
on the show, and I'd like to get the full
context of what was said. There was just one line
that was shared in the Star Tribune story highlighting that forum,
but of course a lot of talk about the fraud.
We've been covering it its national news continues to do that.
And in the quote from the Star Tribune from that forum,
it seemed as if you were critical of both Democrats
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and Republicans over the lack of doing anything about fraud
here in Minnesota. And again, I wanted to hear directly
from you your your thoughts on that. That prompted to
start tributing to pull that quote from that forum earlier
this week.
Speaker 10 (22:05):
Sure appreciate that, and and one of the things about
my candidcy John, and I think you kind of know
this already from you've been on your show, is like
I do, try to call them like I see them.
I'm subtleties not among my gifts. So and I apologize
if I'm being too direct on this, but I really
feel that the Democrats and the Republicans, the Republicans haven't
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done enough to investigate fraud and what I'm really talking about.
There are a number of tools that have not been used.
Chief among those tools is the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act.
That's Chapter thirteen of Minnesota Statutes. This is the statute
that the media uses. Liz Collin has used this repeatedly
in order to send things into various aspects departments of
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the government in order to get documents out. That is done.
It can be done by any citizen. It's not just legislators,
but legislators. When you do that, what normally happens, especially
at the Walls administration, they stonewall you. They just say
we're not you know, they drag their feet, They're not
going to do anything. There is a specific statute in there,
it's thirteen point eight that permits you to sue the
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government on an action for damages and junction. You can
get attorney's fees you can get costs, you can get
silful penalties. Just in twenty twenty five, there was a
gentleman in Saint Paul that sued the Saint Paul City
government got thirty thousand dollars from fourteen separate violations of
the Data Practices Act. He was just trying to get
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document pros to byte trail planning process on Summit Avenue.
The Republicans have not used that one bit in order
to put Walls's feet to the fire with respect to fraud.
They just keep throwing in these requests and then they
just let one Wall stonewall them. And then they write
letters people to the federal government or or whomever and
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say please investigate us. I think it's their obligation to
do that themselves. That's number one. Number two, the committees
have subpoena power. Now that subpoena power requires the two
thirds majority, so the Democrats is evenly divided, it's likely
to be voted down. My idea, though, why not draft
a subpoena that requests one category of a fraud related
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issue by one department, put that in front of the
committee every day and let the Democrats vote that down
every day. Have them vote that down. Let them own
when they go back to their districts that they do
not want to investigate this fraud that has not been
done either. All we're doing is writing letters. We're not
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doing anything other than watching the media do this. I
mean Care eleven lives Colin Fox nine, I mean Care eleven,
Liz has done a phenomenal job with respect autism, froud
since twenty twenty three, housing stabilization frauds done by the
start for doing Care eleven just did this addiction recovered.
All of these things have come about as a result
of data practices actly Wes. And that's that's the way
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that I really feel that Republicans have really done Jack Squatt,
that's looking into.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Fraud talking with Attorney at Chris Maddel of course running
as a campaign for governor as well.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Sorry I tripped at my words. There have you two
things on this, Chris.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
One, why do you think if Republicans haven't done this?
Speaker 4 (25:23):
One?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Why do you think that members of the legislature haven't
done this on the Republican side? And two have you
spoken to any of them about this to find out
from their perspective why they haven't done this?
Speaker 10 (25:36):
Dinner with a couple of staffers. First of all, I
was unaware that nobody had even attempted to do this
well the last couple of months, and that was one
of the reasons that really propelled me to do this.
Doing it is an absolute mystery to me, John, I
have no idea. It's the same mystery that you talked about. Well,
you talked about Hillaris and Seattle. I just had a
friend of mine that flew to San Francisco yesterday. He
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was on the flight going to San Francisco yesterday, so
you know, it's the same mystery as to why he's
not doing anything with respect to fraud. I don't know,
you'll have to ask them.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, it's but it's a tool.
Speaker 10 (26:12):
Just real quick. I've actually done this tool federally. I
had clients that were investigating the opioid crisis, and I
had the US Department of Justice refused to give us
our Coast data that ARCOS is the computerized service that
talks about prescription drugs and whether or not people are
violating that. When the Justice Department didn't give me that data,
I personally to the US of Justice and I won.
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There's a published decision a Circuit Court of Appeals called
mattele versus US Department of Justice, where they had to
give me a whole bunch of arcost data. So I've
done this at the federal level, where frankly it's a
heck of a lot harder than it is at the
state level. But this is a way that you actually
put people's feet to the fire. You can also get
attorney's fees, you can get wolf of violations. I mean,
look at the Saint Paul resident regarding a bike trail,
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and here we're talking about billions of fraud. Regardless of
what the Star Tribune says, it's billions of fraud. Let's
get in there and start looking at this. Let's get
aggressive with respect to investigating this stuff because our money
is just being stolen every day.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Well, it's certainly something that gonna I'm going to address.
I have Elliot Ingen representative. He actually is going to
be joining us tomorrow and studio on the show, and
I'll ask him because I'm curious as well as to
why this hasn't been used if it can be as
effective as what you are saying. Again, talking with coubernatorial
candidate Attorney Chris Maddele, let's get to the other issue.
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I know you've addressed this a lot. It's first time
we've had you on this show. I know you've talked
with other people about it, but you have made donations
in the past, multiple donations to Secretary of State Steve Simon,
also a couple thousand dollars donations to Governor Tim Walls
post COVID. For those that are concerned about those donations
to DFL campaigns, your rationale as to why those donations
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were made in light of the fact that you're now
running for governor as.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
A Republican.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
And honestly, this is an entirely fair question.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Number one.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
I mean so and I one hundred percent understand this,
and it's a fair question to ask, so I appreciate that.
Number one. Second, President Trump, I actually had a friend
of mine texted me a couple of things last time
that this and I actually verified it. He gave six
hundred and ninety five thousand dollars to Democrats when he
was in New York in New Jersey because he needed
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to do that as a real estate developer. And I've
actually given more to President Trump than all of the
other Republican candidates combined my friend just found from FEC data.
So with respect to the Democratic contributions, it's very similar
to the same reasons that President Trump did it, except
in my case, my job is very bipartisan. I have
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to go out there and represent clients. You do that,
and I have to get results. I'm not going to
you know, nobody's going to hire me if I'm not
any results. You know, I can't just you know, sit
there and use to people. I actually have to get it.
And you get great results from hard work. You get
it from tenacity, perseverance, and you get it from relationships.
And these relationships, frankly, I believe I've generated very concrete
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examples of things like that and Ryan Laandrigan the trooper
that I represented. I wholeheartedly believe, in my heart of
hearts that Kim Walls would not have threatened to take
that case away from Mary Moriarty had I not have
those relationships. And so that's why I'm really not apologetic
with respect to these. I really feel the same. I've
never had clients really kind of come to me and say, hey, listen,
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I hate your contributions here. I'm not going to hire you.
I mean, you know, Liz Colin, Elfin News, Jim Schultz,
Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association. All these people want
to use my relationships, and I've been successful with all
these people. So one of the things John, you know,
I would honestly encourage you. I think Liz is I'm
show every Wednesday at eight thirty or nine, or she's on,
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she's on this morning. I did hear an ad for
Worthington before I just came on the phone, and I
thought that was a little curious. I was wondering if
that's Liz's doing to put that ad on there. So
she's from Worthington. But you know, but honestly, ask Liz.
Ask Liz if I'm some closet Democrat that some person
at the minute that I become governor, I'm going to
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put in a bunch of DEI policies and let boys
playing girls sports, asked her. Asked Bob Croll, ask her husband.
You know Bob was on the stage, you know, with
President Trump with the Cops for Trump T shirt. He
showed up at my speech, you know when when I
announced with a Cops for Governor battle t shirt.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Well to two questions on that again, talking with attorney
Attorney Chris Maddel gubernatorial candidate again run running running as
a Republican. So two things on that that that I'm
curious about as a voter. Okay, because I'm certainly not
making the claims of what you're saying saying here. You know,
I've got a lot of respect for what you do.
I appreciate what you've been able to do for a
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lot of conservative conservative efforts.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
With you, John, so so far away, I love your question.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
So so I guess one, were you in support at
the time when you made the campaign contributions to Governor
Tim Walls? Were you in support of the efforts that
he was the job that he was doing as governor
at that point in time?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
But more specifically, why is it?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Why did it necessitate making a large campaign contribution to
the governor in order to yield a positive relationship regarding
your defense of the of the trooper? Could you have
not have built that relationship without making a campaign donation?
Speaker 10 (31:48):
Now, I'm going to quote the great modern day philosopher
Ice Tea. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. I
don't like the game either, John, I've never liked it.
And but but that is My job as an attorney
is to play within the confines of that game, and
if you want to speak to politicians, you go to
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where politicians are, and that is most frequently at different
parties with respective contributions. This is the chief reason that
I'm not accepting money from acts or unions or registered lobbyists.
I'm sick of it. I am tired of it. So,
you know, do I support How in God's earth can
you look at this fraud and see what he has
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done with respect to this fraud and support this man.
I don't, And frankly, I am finding that is true
with a lot of my Democratic friends. A lot of
my Democratic friends know that. They keep saying, listen, You're
probably going to be the first Republican I'm ever going
to vote for because I'm pragmatic, because I know how
to attack this stuff, and I just want to get
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it behind this, and I actually want to help people.
I'm not really interested in seeing my name on a marquee.
I'm not really interested in see my name in the paper.
I've achieved all that in my life. I'm here, really,
honestly just to help people. That's it. And one of
the things that I really want to, and I know
it's a big tall order, but I really honestly want
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to try to start doing this. We've just got to
stop this whole campy stuff where we're pushing people to
the extremes. We need to bring more people into the
process and solve these problems. Because the Minnesota that I
grew up and I've been to my entire life, it's
leaving us. And I know you know this, but it's
escaping us from downtown to and spreading out even to
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places like Wasseika and Worthington and certainly just talk to
Jeff Johnson about Saint Cloud, which honestly just breaks my heart.
We just have to fix these problems, and honestly, the
only way to do that is for pragmatic leadership that
is willing to fight and to get into these battles
as hard as possible and just not relent until some
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of these problems get fixed.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Were the campaign donations similar in terms of rationale? For
Secretary of State Steve Simon, I asked that I have
a lot of the talkbacks that are rolling in, and
there's kind of an even split of commentary from those
that are that are listening, from the friends of the show.
So I'm just curious about the donations to the Secretary
of State Steve Simon.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
I'll be even more blount with respect to Steve. So,
Steve worked at my law firm when when he first started,
and he worked for me at Robin's Capelin for about god,
I want to say, seven to eight nine years someplace
in there. And I'm getting older and yours are kind
of blending together. On a personal level, I just really
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like Steve, I mean, and I understand that there's a
lot of major disagreements with respect to what he's done.
I disagreed specifically with Steve with respect to how he
is specifically behaved with respect to the quorum requirement at
the very beginning of this legislature. I really feel that
that was another missed opportunity, frankly on both sides. And
I've disagreed with Steve, and he and I will still
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talk and very much disagree on issues. But he's also
a friend, and I like to support my friends too,
And but with respect to getting access to Steve, you know, no,
if I'm being honest, No, that was frankly done more
because he's worked for me for years and I count
him among.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
My friends talking with again gubernatorial candidate Attorney Chris Maddele.
Really do appreciate the frankness in the conversation this morning.
I have one more question regarding that, because again I'm
seeing I'm seeing a rather even split of individuals' views
over this. A lot of people are really gravitating towards
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what you want to do, regarding fraud and calling out
Republicans as well. And then there are those that are,
you know, continuing to question the donations in the past.
And I know you expect this, and you've been addressing
this well a little bit unconventional, but why run as
a given this? I mean, you obviously knew this heading
into making the announcement to run for governor. Why not
run as as an independent, you know, considering the controversy
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surrounding you?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
And why go in as a Republican.
Speaker 10 (36:13):
I was born and rased Republican. My dad made all
three of my siblings read and me read Berry Goldwater's
Conscience of a Conservative, which I think I have now
probably eight or nine copies of that. I have one
signed one from Goldwater himself. I have always been a Republican.
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I have felt at times that when Republicans have gotten
into these kind of institutional you know, kind of protect
the system issues that I get really upset with them.
But frankly, I get really upset with the system. And
that's one of the you know, that's one of the things.
I'm not a politician. I am, frankly god willing. Even
if I become governor, I don't become a politician. I
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just want to actually fix stuff. I don't want to
do this hyperbole. I don't want to do the double speak.
I don't want to do the talking points. I'll leave
that to my competition. I'm just going to be as
honest as I possibly can. And then all I want
to do is fight on behalf of Minnesotans. I want
to bring Minnesota the change that so desperately need, that
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we can actually be proud of our state again, because
right now, you know, Mississippi beating us an education. I mean,
my god, I mean, how how how did that happen?
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Let me ask us one last question, it's about your campaign,
and then we'll and I and again, I appreciate the
time this morning talking with a gubernatorial candidate, Chris Maddel,
and an attorney. We played the I played the clip
of you at the at the town hall and talking
about your platform, what you wanted to do. What is
what is your number one priority? Is it tackling the fraud?
Is it broader than that? If you're elected as governor,
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what is it that you want to hit the ground
running right out of the gate to try to go
on address in your power?
Speaker 10 (37:57):
Day one is kind of a twofer. Fraud is number one.
We need to have our citizens trust in our government
get We need to get back to the point where
we remember that a tax is a loss of our freedom.
If you are telling somebody I know you better than you, John,
where your money should be spent, so you should give
me your money. We have forgotten that. We have just
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gotten so rained in that in Minnesota with every sort
of tax right now, and then when that goes into
the government and it's thrown away to a bunch of
fraudsters and nobody's paying attention to it, nobody's actually fighting
about it. Everybody's just complaining about it. That erose the
trust in government that I think is essential, which brings
me back to number two, and that's cops. I really
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we need to get to a point again where we're
just not talking about supporting police and we're actually doing
something about it, because this is the bedrock of our society.
If we do not have effective law enforcement and we
are not safe in our streets, we have nothing. And
I am mystified by the Minneapolis city government about how
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far away that they've gotten from this too frankly radical,
and I would go so far as to say, almost
kind of Stalin esque views that we can do all
this on our own as opposed to using the law
enforcement that is there. And these then women just want
to help. They just want to protect us, and we're
holding them back. We're holding them back right now from
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protecting other law enforcement officers with respect to immigrations and customs.
I mean, and this is a this is not just immigration.
This is also a transnational drug enforcement organization that as
we saw that they when they were executing a lawful
warn't on Lake Street and there was a riot there,
And now we have the police chief saying don't help them.
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I mean, that is and these are the people that
are talking about Trump doesn't respect the rule of law.
I mean, that's what we're really talking about now.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
I mean, this is federal law is.
Speaker 10 (40:01):
Not a cafeteria plan. You know, we have to follow
every law that is our society. If you don't like it,
you get the law changed or you vote people out.
But right now, what's happening in Minneapolis is to me,
it's lawless, and it's absolutely unconstitutional, and it has to
be stopped. And the place that that needs to be
stopped first is with effective law enforcement on the streets.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
The website is Matal for Governor m A.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
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Speaker 4 (40:27):
L f o R Medal for Governor.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Little hat tip on a pat myself on the back, Chris,
I think I actually pronounced your name correctly every soon
nex time this morning, So hey listen, thank you so
much again, it was short note. Haven't you come on
the show this morning? And I really do appreciate the conversation.
We'll talk again. We'll talking agin real soon. Thank you, Chris, same,
thank you.
Speaker 10 (40:48):
Thanks sir.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Coming up, we'll get to your talkbacks.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
One of those that rolled in from the iHeartRadio app
brought to you by Lyndahl Realty. As I predicted last week,
it was one of two doors that Walls would use.
You either go media silence or he would head out
of town. He went out of town. He was in Seattle.
I'll share with you the audio. Apparently he's in San
Francisco next. Also, Liz Collin from Alphews joins us this
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morning at eight thirty here on Twinsday's News Talk AM
eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 10 (41:16):
Good morning, and I love your show.
John's not from one Berry. Hey, I don't know why
people are so worried about ICE saving.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
If you're not illegal, you shouldn't have a problem.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good morning, John. It looks like we have a new
civil rights icon. There was MLK, there was Rosa Parks.
Now I got this woman that had to talk to
the cops for a couple of minutes. The bravery is
just stunning.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
It is thank you for the talkback.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Stunning is the appropriate word here on Twin Cities News
Talk as we chronicle the tale of a Minneapolis woman,
Sue Tincher said she had to spend four hours as
shackled in a jail cell Tuesday after being detained by
ICE agents. Kim Katie USA on x had posted further
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video of Sue tincher Minnesota residence will Or Hay neighborhood
of North Minneapolis, awakened to buy an alert from the
Signal Rapid Response Group that three of her neighbors were
being detained. I have audio of Sue here on Twin
Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty one oh three five
(01:21):
FM from the sixty five to one Carpet plus Next
Day Install Studios. I will share with you. She tells
the story, the harrowing story of what had actually taken place.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
What you're doing is illegal?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Why are you arresting her?
Speaker 7 (01:38):
It was about six thirty and I got the alert
on the North Minneapolis Rapid Response Group that there was
an abduction happening. So I went right over there and
I approached one of the officers I saw there and
asked if she was ICE, and she told me to
get back, and I didn't get back, and pretty soon
they were throwing on the ground.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And again it's a nice little YadA YadA moment, just
you know, I told me to get back. I didn't
get back, and then they attacked.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Me, handcuffing me and putting me in there unmarked truck.
It was pretty chaotic. I had just arrived there, so
I didn't get to evaluate it fully. But there were
other watchers who were asking me what my name was
and everything, so I identified myself to them, and then I
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started yelling help because I was being kidnapped.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I felt like, boy, this is unbelievable because she's being kidnapped.
You watched the video.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
There's multiple ICE agents, law enforcement, there's bystanders watching.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
They're filming this whole thing. Taking place.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
If she's legitimately being kidnapped, why aren't people doing more?
Like if I have a friend and he's like legitimately
being kidnapped, or my wife, for my children, I'm going
to risk harm, physical harm to protect them if it's unjustified, unjustified,
if like you're legitimately being kidnapped. No, it's performative, it's theater.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
This is the.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Greatest moment in this woman's life in decades.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
Well, that this is happening in our country right now,
But really most of my concern was for the people
inside that house and their families and what is.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Happening in the country right now.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
What happened to you?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
You got in a way of law enforcement doing their job.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
That's on you. I hope that happens more in this country.
I hope that ICE officials continue their efforts, more people
join ICE so that more individuals who are here illegally,
they didn't respect the sovereignty of this great nation are
deported and sent back home.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
And they have to face a lot more than I
did just sitting in a cell for a few hours
with leg shackles on. But I think the focus really
belongs with them. I did see seven other detainees come
in and I was looking at them through the window
of my cell.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So I feel very badly for them. Oh, it's just
so sad.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
She was never arrested. She was detained and then released.
But of course we had to watch her video interview
where she said she had been kidnapped and her husband
said she was kidnapped.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Don't get to the husband in a moment.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
These people are completely insane born.
Speaker 9 (04:39):
And everybody Chad from Delano here. So when I was
just listening to that story there, well, I know exactly
what happened. She refused and stood her ground and got
everything that she deserved. Be an ice observer, if that's
what you're calling yourself, you still have to follow directions
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and move when they tell you to move, and jump
when they tell you to jump, and even ask them
how high.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Have a great I have marks on my neck and
on my wrists from where they were, you know, forcibly
holding on to me, and they told me if I
didn't watch myself, they were going to give me the OC,
which is very unpleasant. What drew me out was hoping
that I could help protect my neighbors and.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
What are you going to do like this.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Kidnapping that's happening to you know, our fellow Minneapolitans.
Speaker 10 (05:37):
So does any of this experience like impede you from
doing this in the future or is it the opposite?
Speaker 7 (05:43):
No, it empowers me. I definitely want to do it more.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
What is it you're going to do? You're not bad woman.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
What is it you think you're going to accomplish.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Other than being an embarrassment to your husband? This was
posted on north News. Northsider Susan tensher taken away by
what her husband assumes were ice agents. No idea where
she is, said Jim Susan's husband. This is just ridiculous.
According to Jim, Susan had recently joined the Signal Group
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to observe ice in public. When she responded to an
alert to an ice presence at a house at twenty
first in Oliver, she was allegedly apprehended quickly by what
appeared to be ice agents and playing clothes when she
walked up to the intersection. Yeah, that's all that was.
She was just walking up to the intersection and ice
just came over, grabbed her, threw a bag over ahead
and tossed her in the car. That's what they want
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you to believe. It's the fantasy world these individuals living.
I'm sorry I stole the thunder on this talkback. My apologies.
You know there's a part of me that really wants
to live in this crazy fantasy world.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (07:01):
What kind of drugs are you people on?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
It's liberalism, that's the drug.
Speaker 11 (07:08):
Another point this morning, John, Do these people have nothing
better to do? Do they not have jobs? Do they
really just sit around and wait for their rapid response
a group to go downstairs and interfere with law enforcement?
Who do these people think they are? This is infuriating,
yet comical, almost speechless. This is something else, man.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Getting back to the story, help me. Susan's screamed as
you heard as she was arrested by the uniformed agents
at six twenty four am.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Damp what I.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
What you're doing?
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So this is the guy the bystanding the dude standing
there holding his phone so bravely saying.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Hey, what you're doing is illegal? Why don't you step
in and help her?
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Dude?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
If what law enforcement is doing is illegal, you obviously
don't care enough about your neighbor. They care enough to
brave the freezing temperatures outside to watch ICE conduct their
operations in some quasi alert response to tactic wherein they
are supposed to be accomplishing something because they care so
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much about their neighbors who are being arrested via ICE.
And what does that Yahoo do in the middle of
one of his fellow protesters and one of his fellow
alert responders is getting arrested, Rather than step in and
try to help her because they're all about helping people,
he stands there filming with his phone, going, you know,
what you're doing is illegal.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
What you're doing is illegal.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I can't mock these people enough morning John. She sounds
just like Margie, the police officer from the movie Fargo.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Ice agents had a professional camera creo with them. According
to the reporting on North News, Jim Sue's husband has
reached out to Attorney General Keith Ellison, among other elected officials.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
It's all so ridiculous, Keith.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
My wife she just you know, she responded because she
joined up with this activist group and she got in
the way of law enforcement from doing their jobs, and
she was taken into custody for obstructing law enforcement. Is
there something you can do you're all about corruption, You're
all about fraud.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
There was already a vigil for Susan taking place tonight.
She's free.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Why are you holding a vigil? Sorry, guys, I just can't.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Hey, John, that's the one thing I don't get. Why
doesn't ICE have like decoy operations where you know, they
send a few agents, make a big scene and not
actually do anything. Put it on the social media, the Facebook,
even as a fake person to say, hey, there's an
operation going down here.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I don't want ICE doing that. ICE doesn't need to
do that.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
We don't need to waste our law enforcement officers time.
I understand, right, I understand what it is that you
that you're that you're getting at right in order to
try to avoid all of this. But I don't want
our ICE agents having to waste their time having to
conduct the decoy operations. No ICE is doing the job
that they need to do. The only reason why there
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is any issue with what is taking place right now
here in the Twin Cities relating to ICE operations is
because of idiots like I've been mocking right now on
the show. The Saint Louis Park mayor, Minneapolis man Baby
mayor mom Jeans, Jacob Fry, Walls, Ellison, all of them,
the Minneapolis City Council, the ones that are perpetuating all
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of these fake, false narratives as to what's taking place.
People get arrested every single day. Law enforcement pulls people
over every single day and there's never a problem. It's
never an issue. Warrants are issued and executed every single day,
and nobody ever hears about it because it's not controversial.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
The people are.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Taken into custody because they broke the law and they're
held accountable. And yet because Democrats right now have so
little to run on, they care so little about the issues,
they have gone all in on this anti Trump narrative
that this is where we are right now, performative activist
theater perpetuating these ridiculous notions that is putting the public.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
In harm's way. The public is.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Safer if you just let ice go and do their
job and take the bad guys out of the homes
that they were living in and send them back from
where they came from. No incident, bad guy caught put
in car, gone done easy. Nobody's affected, Nobody in the
communities are affected. Everybody's safe as long as you're here legally.
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It's the activist. They're the ones that are causing all
the problems right now, and they deserve everybody's mocking.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
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Speaker 12 (12:25):
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Speaker 6 (12:33):
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Speaker 5 (12:39):
Continuing the saga of Siue Tinsure for you longtime listeners
of me, I can't help but think about the continuing
saga of Macho b Again. That's for you long time
listeners to my show, The continuing adventures of Sue Tincher,
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the brave ICE activist who went out in the bitter
cold to try to protect her neighbors from being removed
for their criminal activity and being here illegally, only to
get apprehended herself HEMAI.
Speaker 13 (13:18):
In the last few hours, community members on Minneapolis's North
Side gathering rallying around an ICE observer who was detained
during a raid. Susan Tenher said she arrived at the
raid at Oliver in twenty first Avenues around six this
morning and was asked by an agent who she was,
and the agent told her to back up. She says,
she refused.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
And I stood my ground. I just stood there on
the sidewalk and other officers came up and I was
thrown to the ground.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Just YadA, YadA, YadA, toss to the ground.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
What she doing is illegal?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Ah.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
The audio their courtesy of Caro Levin.
Speaker 14 (13:57):
Good Morning, John. So the woman who was apprehended in
North Minneapolis because she got in the way of ice
agents who are trying to do their jobs.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
So imagine.
Speaker 14 (14:08):
And one callback just said something about do they not
have jobs? Well, maybe they're collecting on their Minnesota paid
family and medical leave to protect their neighbor, because you
can do it with that leave. Crazy, it's all nuts.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Oh oh, I'd even thought about that.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah, if they're your neighbor and you want to go
and help your neighbor, can you get paid family medical
leave to go and protest?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
This is going to be such an absolute disaster.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
When I can't find my wife, when I haven't heard
from her in.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
A while, I look on Google Map and it fills
me where she is because we fear out locations that
we've got to. Well, I don't know what's wrong with
the couple.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
This whole thing with the husbands to post online.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I don't know where she went. Everybody she got a
text of where to go?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Hey, John, Jeff and Lynstrom. You know, talk about this
liberalism and the crazy that it is. It has become
and is a religion. These people a lot of feeling
persecuted in these times.
Speaker 13 (15:22):
This woman is sad and lonely and dying for attention
and virtue signaling seems to be the way to do it,
at least temporarily for her.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Performative activist theater Pat.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Oh, I like that. That's good. All right, let's go here.
This is FROMALFA News.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
I'm almost hesitant to even bring it up right now,
looking at the clock, because this is going to require
more conversation. But I'm here, so I'll give you just
a bit of the details and we'll get into this
after my interview with Chris maddele here in a few
minutes on the show. So we continue the broadcast from
the sixty five to one carpet plus Next Day install studios.
So you remember the Minnesota Rehabilitation and Reinvestment Act that
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was passed party line vote, signed by Governor Tim Walls
during the time of the Minnesota DFL trifecta in twenty
twenty three. This gave the Department of Corrections authority to
decide if we're when inmates could be eligible for release
from prison. An inmate who was among the first to
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be released under the Minnesota Rehabilitation and Reinvestment Act is
now a.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
One in fugitive. Oh yeah, already right out of the gate.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
First person released under this controversial program that Republicans opposed,
and she's already a one fugitive. I'll give you details
on this coming up a little later on in the
in the show, I want to make sure that we
keep on time. Attorney Chris Maddele represented State Trooper Ryan Londrigan,
is a murder case recently announced his Minnesota gubernatorial run,
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growing the ever expanding list of GOP candidates for governor.
And we're going to talk with Chris maddle next here
on Twin Cities News Talk AM eleven thirty and one
oh three five FM.
Speaker 12 (17:26):
Next Day Installs studios. This is Twin Cities News Talk.
Hey Yeah, eleven thirty FM one to three point five
and on the free iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Earlier in the week, the Star Tribune ran a story
talking about the gubernatorial candidates on the GOP side who
want to go up against Governor Tim Walls, assuming he's
still the nominee heading into next year. As I predicted,
he was either going to avoid the media or leave town.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
And he's left town. He's in Seattle.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I have audio of him telling his sob stories and
trying to play the victim.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
We'll get to that a little bit later on in
the hour.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
At this town hall with these candidates for a governor,
Chris Mattel, whom recently announced that he was going to
be throwing his hat into the ring for governor, he
was asked how to make life more affordable for Minnesotans.
This is what he had to say at that town hall.
Speaker 15 (18:28):
First question, the rise in cost of living was one
of the top issues identified in the recent election by voters.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Name some things you can do as governor to make.
Speaker 15 (18:39):
The cost of living more affordable for the average Minnesota.
Speaker 16 (18:44):
The first thing that I proposed was increasing the standard
deduction to seventy five thousand dollars. I think that the
first seventy five thousand hours should be exempt from Minnesota
income tax.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Second thing is property tax.
Speaker 16 (18:56):
We have to have property taxes for it is getting
at ridiculous that you have to rebuy your home every
year that you're going forward right now. I also believe
that at age sixty five, your property taxes should just
be frozen. You should not be thinking into retirement about
whether or not you're going to be able to actually
afford your own right now. The number one best way
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to put money into people's pockets right now is what
taxer for. I found out in college that the easiest
way for me not to spend money was not to
have any money, and you're doing. We need to do
the exact same thing with government right now. We need
to start cutting the taxes, squeezing the budget so that
we actually find the things that we actually need to prioritize,
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because right now, what's all that's happening since twenty eighteen
is we're throwing money out the window with respective fraud
over and over and over again. Unless we stop doing that,
it's going to continue, and we've done nothing about it
in years.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
See Chris Maddel was so precise in his answer during
that forum, I figured I would share that audio with
him before I have a chance to speak with him
on the show to take care of that portion in
our line of questioning today and Chris maddele joins us
on the show this morning. Attorney, thank you so much
for coming on and on such a short notice too, Chris,
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I appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (20:15):
Oh absolutely, thank you. John.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
We were talking here.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
We were talking quite a bit about wasteful spending in
the first hour of the show. I encourage everybody to
go take a listen to the podcast to check that out.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Let's start off here.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I do want to get through some of the more
controversial aspects of your announcing in your background before we
do that, though, Let's just start off with the basic one.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Chris.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
We haven't had a chance to speak since you've made
the announcement to run for governor.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
What ultimately led you to make this decision.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
You've been successful as an attorney here, You've been doing
a lot of good here in Minnesota as an attorney.
I'm wondering what was it that put you in a
position where you said, this is something I need to
do to join all these other individuals to run for governor.
Speaker 10 (20:59):
It was very similar to the reason that I started
throwing my hat and the rain to help police officers.
I just saw the existing what was happening out there,
and I knew that if I didn't try to help
that I was going to hold it against myself and
what kind of example of my leaving.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
For my daughters.
Speaker 10 (21:19):
So I just I really truly enjoy helping people, and
that's really, honestly the main reason I want to do this.
It certainly is not for the money.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
John, at the forum, and I talked about this yesterday
on the show, and I'd like to get the full
context of what was said. There was just one line
that was shared in the Star Tribune story highlighting that forum,
but of course a lot of talk about the fraud.
We've been covering it its national news continues to do that.
And in the quote from the Star Tribune from that forum,
it seemed as if you were critical of both Democrats
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and Republicans over the lack of doing anything about fraud
here in Minnesota. And again, I wanted to hear directly
from you your your thoughts on that. That prompted to
start tributing to pull that quote from that forum earlier
this week.
Speaker 10 (22:05):
Sure appreciate that, and and one of the things about
my candidcy John, and I think you kind of know
this already from you've been on your show, is like
I do, try to call them like I see them.
I'm subtleties not among my gifts. So and I apologize
if I'm being too direct on this, but I really
feel that the Democrats and the Republicans, the Republicans haven't
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done enough to investigate fraud and what I'm really talking about.
There are a number of tools that have not been used.
Chief among those tools is the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act.
That's Chapter thirteen of Minnesota Statutes. This is the statute
that the media uses. Liz Collin has used this repeatedly
in order to send things into various aspects departments of
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the government in order to get documents out. That is done.
It can be done by any citizen. It's not just legislators,
but legislators. When you do that, what normally happens, especially
at the Walls administration, they stonewall you. They just say
we're not you know, they drag their feet, They're not
going to do anything. There is a specific statute in there,
it's thirteen point eight that permits you to sue the
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government on an action for damages and junction. You can
get attorney's fees you can get costs, you can get
silful penalties. Just in twenty twenty five, there was a
gentleman in Saint Paul that sued the Saint Paul City
government got thirty thousand dollars from fourteen separate violations of
the Data Practices Act. He was just trying to get
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document pros to byte trail planning process on Summit Avenue.
The Republicans have not used that one bit in order
to put Walls's feet to the fire with respect to fraud.
They just keep throwing in these requests and then they
just let one Wall stonewall them. And then they write
letters people to the federal government or or whomever and
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say please investigate us. I think it's their obligation to
do that themselves. That's number one. Number two, the committees
have subpoena power. Now that subpoena power requires the two
thirds majority, so the Democrats is evenly divided, it's likely
to be voted down. My idea, though, why not draft
a subpoena that requests one category of a fraud related
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issue by one department, put that in front of the
committee every day and let the Democrats vote that down
every day. Have them vote that down. Let them own
when they go back to their districts that they do
not want to investigate this fraud that has not been
done either. All we're doing is writing letters. We're not
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doing anything other than watching the media do this. I
mean Care eleven lives Colin Fox nine, I mean Care eleven,
Liz has done a phenomenal job with respect autism, froud
since twenty twenty three, housing stabilization frauds done by the
start for doing Care eleven just did this addiction recovered.
All of these things have come about as a result
of data practices actly Wes. And that's that's the way
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that I really feel that Republicans have really done Jack Squatt,
that's looking into.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Fraud talking with Attorney at Chris Maddel of course running
as a campaign for governor as well.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Sorry I tripped at my words. There have you two
things on this, Chris.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
One, why do you think if Republicans haven't done this?
Speaker 4 (25:23):
One?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Why do you think that members of the legislature haven't
done this on the Republican side? And two have you
spoken to any of them about this to find out
from their perspective why they haven't done this?
Speaker 10 (25:36):
Dinner with a couple of staffers. First of all, I
was unaware that nobody had even attempted to do this
well the last couple of months, and that was one
of the reasons that really propelled me to do this.
Doing it is an absolute mystery to me, John, I
have no idea. It's the same mystery that you talked about. Well,
you talked about Hillaris and Seattle. I just had a
friend of mine that flew to San Francisco yesterday. He
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was on the flight going to San Francisco yesterday, so
you know, it's the same mystery as to why he's
not doing anything with respect to fraud. I don't know,
you'll have to ask them.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, it's but it's a tool.
Speaker 10 (26:12):
Just real quick. I've actually done this tool federally. I
had clients that were investigating the opioid crisis, and I
had the US Department of Justice refused to give us
our Coast data that ARCOS is the computerized service that
talks about prescription drugs and whether or not people are
violating that. When the Justice Department didn't give me that data,
I personally to the US of Justice and I won.
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There's a published decision a Circuit Court of Appeals called
mattele versus US Department of Justice, where they had to
give me a whole bunch of arcost data. So I've
done this at the federal level, where frankly it's a
heck of a lot harder than it is at the
state level. But this is a way that you actually
put people's feet to the fire. You can also get
attorney's fees, you can get wolf of violations. I mean,
look at the Saint Paul resident regarding a bike trail,
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and here we're talking about billions of fraud. Regardless of
what the Star Tribune says, it's billions of fraud. Let's
get in there and start looking at this. Let's get
aggressive with respect to investigating this stuff because our money
is just being stolen every day.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Well, it's certainly something that gonna I'm going to address.
I have Elliot Ingen representative. He actually is going to
be joining us tomorrow and studio on the show, and
I'll ask him because I'm curious as well as to
why this hasn't been used if it can be as
effective as what you are saying. Again, talking with coubernatorial
candidate Attorney Chris Maddele, let's get to the other issue.
(27:33):
I know you've addressed this a lot. It's first time
we've had you on this show. I know you've talked
with other people about it, but you have made donations
in the past, multiple donations to Secretary of State Steve Simon,
also a couple thousand dollars donations to Governor Tim Walls
post COVID. For those that are concerned about those donations
to DFL campaigns, your rationale as to why those donations
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were made in light of the fact that you're now
running for governor as.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
A Republican.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
And honestly, this is an entirely fair question.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Number one.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
I mean so and I one hundred percent understand this,
and it's a fair question to ask, so I appreciate that.
Number one. Second, President Trump, I actually had a friend
of mine texted me a couple of things last time
that this and I actually verified it. He gave six
hundred and ninety five thousand dollars to Democrats when he
was in New York in New Jersey because he needed
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to do that as a real estate developer. And I've
actually given more to President Trump than all of the
other Republican candidates combined my friend just found from FEC data.
So with respect to the Democratic contributions, it's very similar
to the same reasons that President Trump did it, except
in my case, my job is very bipartisan. I have
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to go out there and represent clients. You do that,
and I have to get results. I'm not going to
you know, nobody's going to hire me if I'm not
any results. You know, I can't just you know, sit
there and use to people. I actually have to get it.
And you get great results from hard work. You get
it from tenacity, perseverance, and you get it from relationships.
And these relationships, frankly, I believe I've generated very concrete
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examples of things like that and Ryan Laandrigan the trooper
that I represented. I wholeheartedly believe, in my heart of
hearts that Kim Walls would not have threatened to take
that case away from Mary Moriarty had I not have
those relationships. And so that's why I'm really not apologetic
with respect to these. I really feel the same. I've
never had clients really kind of come to me and say, hey, listen,
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I hate your contributions here. I'm not going to hire you.
I mean, you know, Liz Colin, Elfin News, Jim Schultz,
Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association. All these people want
to use my relationships, and I've been successful with all
these people. So one of the things John, you know,
I would honestly encourage you. I think Liz is I'm
show every Wednesday at eight thirty or nine, or she's on,
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she's on this morning. I did hear an ad for
Worthington before I just came on the phone, and I
thought that was a little curious. I was wondering if
that's Liz's doing to put that ad on there. So
she's from Worthington. But you know, but honestly, ask Liz.
Ask Liz if I'm some closet Democrat that some person
at the minute that I become governor, I'm going to
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put in a bunch of DEI policies and let boys
playing girls sports, asked her. Asked Bob Croll, ask her husband.
You know Bob was on the stage, you know, with
President Trump with the Cops for Trump T shirt. He
showed up at my speech, you know when when I
announced with a Cops for Governor battle t shirt.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Well to two questions on that again, talking with attorney
Attorney Chris Maddel gubernatorial candidate again run running running as
a Republican. So two things on that that that I'm
curious about as a voter. Okay, because I'm certainly not
making the claims of what you're saying saying here. You know,
I've got a lot of respect for what you do.
I appreciate what you've been able to do for a
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lot of conservative conservative efforts.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
With you, John, so so far away, I love your question.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
So so I guess one, were you in support at
the time when you made the campaign contributions to Governor
Tim Walls? Were you in support of the efforts that
he was the job that he was doing as governor
at that point in time?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
But more specifically, why is it?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Why did it necessitate making a large campaign contribution to
the governor in order to yield a positive relationship regarding
your defense of the of the trooper? Could you have
not have built that relationship without making a campaign donation?
Speaker 10 (31:48):
Now, I'm going to quote the great modern day philosopher
Ice Tea. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. I
don't like the game either, John, I've never liked it.
And but but that is My job as an attorney
is to play within the confines of that game, and
if you want to speak to politicians, you go to
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where politicians are, and that is most frequently at different
parties with respective contributions. This is the chief reason that
I'm not accepting money from acts or unions or registered lobbyists.
I'm sick of it. I am tired of it. So,
you know, do I support How in God's earth can
you look at this fraud and see what he has
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done with respect to this fraud and support this man.
I don't, And frankly, I am finding that is true
with a lot of my Democratic friends. A lot of
my Democratic friends know that. They keep saying, listen, You're
probably going to be the first Republican I'm ever going
to vote for because I'm pragmatic, because I know how
to attack this stuff, and I just want to get
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it behind this, and I actually want to help people.
I'm not really interested in seeing my name on a marquee.
I'm not really interested in see my name in the paper.
I've achieved all that in my life. I'm here, really,
honestly just to help people. That's it. And one of
the things that I really want to, and I know
it's a big tall order, but I really honestly want
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to try to start doing this. We've just got to
stop this whole campy stuff where we're pushing people to
the extremes. We need to bring more people into the
process and solve these problems. Because the Minnesota that I
grew up and I've been to my entire life, it's
leaving us. And I know you know this, but it's
escaping us from downtown to and spreading out even to
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places like Wasseika and Worthington and certainly just talk to
Jeff Johnson about Saint Cloud, which honestly just breaks my heart.
We just have to fix these problems, and honestly, the
only way to do that is for pragmatic leadership that
is willing to fight and to get into these battles
as hard as possible and just not relent until some
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of these problems get fixed.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Were the campaign donations similar in terms of rationale? For
Secretary of State Steve Simon, I asked that I have
a lot of the talkbacks that are rolling in, and
there's kind of an even split of commentary from those
that are that are listening, from the friends of the show.
So I'm just curious about the donations to the Secretary
of State Steve Simon.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
I'll be even more blount with respect to Steve. So,
Steve worked at my law firm when when he first started,
and he worked for me at Robin's Capelin for about god,
I want to say, seven to eight nine years someplace
in there. And I'm getting older and yours are kind
of blending together. On a personal level, I just really
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like Steve, I mean, and I understand that there's a
lot of major disagreements with respect to what he's done.
I disagreed specifically with Steve with respect to how he
is specifically behaved with respect to the quorum requirement at
the very beginning of this legislature. I really feel that
that was another missed opportunity, frankly on both sides. And
I've disagreed with Steve, and he and I will still
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talk and very much disagree on issues. But he's also
a friend, and I like to support my friends too,
And but with respect to getting access to Steve, you know, no,
if I'm being honest, No, that was frankly done more
because he's worked for me for years and I count
him among.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
My friends talking with again gubernatorial candidate Attorney Chris Maddele.
Really do appreciate the frankness in the conversation this morning.
I have one more question regarding that, because again I'm
seeing I'm seeing a rather even split of individuals' views
over this. A lot of people are really gravitating towards
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what you want to do, regarding fraud and calling out
Republicans as well. And then there are those that are,
you know, continuing to question the donations in the past.
And I know you expect this, and you've been addressing
this well a little bit unconventional, but why run as
a given this? I mean, you obviously knew this heading
into making the announcement to run for governor. Why not
run as as an independent, you know, considering the controversy
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surrounding you?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
And why go in as a Republican.
Speaker 10 (36:13):
I was born and rased Republican. My dad made all
three of my siblings read and me read Berry Goldwater's
Conscience of a Conservative, which I think I have now
probably eight or nine copies of that. I have one
signed one from Goldwater himself. I have always been a Republican.
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I have felt at times that when Republicans have gotten
into these kind of institutional you know, kind of protect
the system issues that I get really upset with them.
But frankly, I get really upset with the system. And
that's one of the you know, that's one of the things.
I'm not a politician. I am, frankly god willing. Even
if I become governor, I don't become a politician. I
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just want to actually fix stuff. I don't want to
do this hyperbole. I don't want to do the double speak.
I don't want to do the talking points. I'll leave
that to my competition. I'm just going to be as
honest as I possibly can. And then all I want
to do is fight on behalf of Minnesotans. I want
to bring Minnesota the change that so desperately need, that
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we can actually be proud of our state again, because
right now, you know, Mississippi beating us an education. I mean,
my god, I mean, how how how did that happen?
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Let me ask us one last question, it's about your campaign,
and then we'll and I and again, I appreciate the
time this morning talking with a gubernatorial candidate, Chris Maddel,
and an attorney. We played the I played the clip
of you at the at the town hall and talking
about your platform, what you wanted to do. What is
what is your number one priority? Is it tackling the fraud?
Is it broader than that? If you're elected as governor,
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what is it that you want to hit the ground
running right out of the gate to try to go
on address in your power?
Speaker 10 (37:57):
Day one is kind of a twofer. Fraud is number one.
We need to have our citizens trust in our government
get We need to get back to the point where
we remember that a tax is a loss of our freedom.
If you are telling somebody I know you better than you, John,
where your money should be spent, so you should give
me your money. We have forgotten that. We have just
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gotten so rained in that in Minnesota with every sort
of tax right now, and then when that goes into
the government and it's thrown away to a bunch of
fraudsters and nobody's paying attention to it, nobody's actually fighting
about it. Everybody's just complaining about it. That erose the
trust in government that I think is essential, which brings
me back to number two, and that's cops. I really
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we need to get to a point again where we're
just not talking about supporting police and we're actually doing
something about it, because this is the bedrock of our society.
If we do not have effective law enforcement and we
are not safe in our streets, we have nothing. And
I am mystified by the Minneapolis city government about how
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far away that they've gotten from this too frankly radical,
and I would go so far as to say, almost
kind of Stalin esque views that we can do all
this on our own as opposed to using the law
enforcement that is there. And these then women just want
to help. They just want to protect us, and we're
holding them back. We're holding them back right now from
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protecting other law enforcement officers with respect to immigrations and customs.
I mean, and this is a this is not just immigration.
This is also a transnational drug enforcement organization that as
we saw that they when they were executing a lawful
warn't on Lake Street and there was a riot there,
And now we have the police chief saying don't help them.
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I mean, that is and these are the people that
are talking about Trump doesn't respect the rule of law.
I mean, that's what we're really talking about now.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
I mean, this is federal law is.
Speaker 10 (40:01):
Not a cafeteria plan. You know, we have to follow
every law that is our society. If you don't like it,
you get the law changed or you vote people out.
But right now, what's happening in Minneapolis is to me,
it's lawless, and it's absolutely unconstitutional, and it has to
be stopped. And the place that that needs to be
stopped first is with effective law enforcement on the streets.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
The website is Matal for Governor m A.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
D E.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
L f o R Medal for Governor.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Little hat tip on a pat myself on the back, Chris,
I think I actually pronounced your name correctly every soon
nex time this morning, So hey listen, thank you so
much again, it was short note. Haven't you come on
the show this morning? And I really do appreciate the conversation.
We'll talk again. We'll talking agin real soon. Thank you, Chris, same,
thank you.
Speaker 10 (40:48):
Thanks sir.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Coming up, we'll get to your talkbacks.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
One of those that rolled in from the iHeartRadio app
brought to you by Lyndahl Realty. As I predicted last week,
it was one of two doors that Walls would use.
You either go media silence or he would head out
of town. He went out of town. He was in Seattle.
I'll share with you the audio. Apparently he's in San
Francisco next. Also, Liz Collin from Alphews joins us this
(41:11):
morning at eight thirty here on Twinsday's News Talk AM
eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 10 (41:16):
Good morning, and I love your show.
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