December 4, 2025 • 34 mins
In Hour 3 of the show, Jon talks about ICE, and the fraud that has taken place in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
We were just discussing on the show Immigrations and Customs
enforcement in Minneapolis. Minneapolis man baby may or mom Jeans
Jacob Fry issuing an executive order to not allow ICE
to use public parking spaces. Also Cinny clowncil person Jamal
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Osmon calling Trump a racist, islamophobic individual, all kinds of
the horrible ists and isms, and then turning around and
inviting Trump, through the goodness of his heart, to Minneapolis
to see what's going on firsthand.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I don't know why you would do that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is this the same Jamal Osmond whose brother Libmann Osmon
made YouTube videos of him collecting votes and filling out
voter bellots prior to an election.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hell, yeah, I'm throwing you prosecuted for voter fraud. I'll
give you the answer. Yes, yes, it is.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Good morning, John.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I keep hearing about demonizing a whole.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Community and rounding up a community.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
And I'm pretty sure that ICE is picking people out
individually from their immigration status.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That is their job.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
They're not rounding up a block of sallies and putting
them all into a patty van.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
This is absurd, No, but that's the idea that they
want to perpetuate. That's absolutely the idea that they That's
what they want you to believe.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
John, This is horrible.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
They're just randomly grabbing people and asking them for IDs.
Speaker 8 (01:58):
How are married women.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Not going to get they can't get ideas? Oh my goodness,
this is terrible.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You guys are on a roll this morning.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Friend of the show kW And this is why I
call him friend of the show because he leaves relevant,
worthwhile comments.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I'm not even I'm not being sarcastic here. He does.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He may not agree with me politically, but he's rational.
In his commentary, good morning.
Speaker 9 (02:26):
This is k W also known as Kenneth the Menace
from the Great City of Minneapolis, a local activist of
politicians are cultivating unnecessary fear in our community regarding Ice.
We welcome Ice. The reasons why because we have nothing
to hide. We are a welcoming city. Come on, Ice,
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come in, do what you have to do because we
have nothing to hide. Make it a great day, everybody,
and don't fear Ice. Ice is your friend.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Do you make a great point. You make a great point, and.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It pushes back to directly on the commentary coming from
the left, coming from Democrats, regarding what's taking place. One
of the major talking points that's gone around in light
of all of this is, you know, most individuals from
the Samali community are here legally, and yet in the
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same breath they're complaining that Trump is arbitrarily going and
targeting the Samali community. Well, if they're here legally, there's
nothing to worry about. If you're being honest, Ice is
carrying out actions based off of lawful orders that they
have of individuals. So to what kW is saying, he's right.
If what you say is true, you have nothing to fear.
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But you're not going to see that coming. You're not
going to see that commentary coming from Democrats. It's not
politically advantageous for them to go and do so. I
have a talk back of the day chosen. This would
have been a good runner up.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
However, I think we need to get it out there
that the police must not follow illegal orders otherwise, you know,
they might be prosecuted.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That's a great to that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I predicted that this story here is about to get
a lot bigger.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I was first.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
This was first brought to my attention on x from
the Minnesota House GOP rapid response x account. They posted
this yesterday along with the clip that I'm going to
share with you here in just a moment. So was
Minnesota's record breaking eighteen billion dollar serrplus from twenty twenty
three stolen by fraudsters? Governor's Walls seems to think. So,
this is what the House gop A rapid response post said.
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When Walls announced last year that he and the DFL
trifecta had turned the eighteen billion dollars seriplus into one
of the largest deficits in state history, most Minnesotans wondered
where the money actually went. The Walls explicitly said in
the press conference, this is where the debt's coming from,
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disability waivers. That's what's driving the spending. You saw it
in the charts. That's where it's growing. Here's the audio decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Mate.
Speaker 10 (05:15):
I want to thank our legislative leaders who you'll hear
from here. Shortly. We made a decision to leave a
substantial amount of money on the bottom line last year
to be able to talk about that. You also saw
from this presentation. Look, it's pretty inescapable. There's two areas
that are the bulk of this growth. They make up
about seventy six percent of the budget the next time,
and let me.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Stop just really quick. If I had a larger team.
This is no offense to Devin at all. I know
you can handle it. I just don't want to make
you go and do this, but I need to go
and start taking walls and his commentary.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I'm a talk show host. You can do this to
me as well, but beat it is it may.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I want to take walls in his commentary and just
drip out all the unnecessary word salad comments that he
throws in. As Bill wallsh from Center of the American
Experiment describes it, it's kind of like he speaks in
Governor Tim Wall's shorthand as he fills in the gaps
in his thinking on some Okay, let me get back
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to the clip.
Speaker 10 (06:09):
I'm sorry decisions mate. I want to thank our legislative leaders,
who you'll hear from here. Shortly. We made a decision
to leave a substantial amount of money on the bottom
line last year to be able to talk about that.
You also saw from this presentation. Look, it's pretty inescapable.
There's two areas that are the bulk of this growth
and make up about seventy six percent of the budget
the next time. And inside of those areas, there's two
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areas where most of this increased spending, where the debt's
coming from. That's in special education and that's in long
term care and disability waivers. And those are really hard
decisions that are going to have to be made, but
those are things that we're going to have to look at.
That's what's driving the spending, is what we've seen, and
that's historic. We talked about that last time, we talked
about it coming. This has happened over decades as his
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growth and you saw in the charts as it's growing.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So that was one year ago.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
One year ago, Walls explicitly says when trying to explain
where the eighteen billion dollar surplus went. First off, it's
an admission that he didn't give it back to you
and me, because that would be the easy explanation, right,
We'll be giving back to the taxpayer because they didn't
a tiny, tiny amount long term care and disability waivers. Yesterday,
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that was December fourth, of what you just heard of
twenty twenty four. Yesterday, the Walls administration announced that they
were implementing a moratorium on all new HCBS licenses for
two years. So what is HCBS Home and community based
services funded by developmental disability waivers. Several HCBS programs have
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been identified as being at high risk for fraud. That's
code speak for they're fraudulent. They know already. They already
know Delta services, Individualize home Supports, Integrated Community Supports, Night
supervision services, transportation services.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Have been waiting for that one to pop up.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I know there are others out there, especially those over
at Alphinus, waiting for that one because there's a whole
aspect relating to the transportation services tied into those social
service programs that have already been found to be fraudulent
that we haven't even dove into yet, billing for transportation
services for empty vehicles transporting non existent children to autism
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centers that aren't getting any autism treatment because they weren't
real to begin with. In their internal memo, the Walls
Administration says the average number of active licenses rose by
fifty five point three percent and the new license applications
grew by two hundred and eighty three point three percent.
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So to continue with this and wrap up before we
get to the official store, from Alpha News and More
Audio to Share. Eighteen billion turned into a deficit, and
Walls in twenty twenty four, one year ago said it
was because of an increase in disability waiver funding, and
now we learn that they are at high risk for fraud.
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This is the next big one that's going to break
in regards to the stories that are being talked about nationwide,
because right.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
Now you pay attention, the story is dying. This a
little tiny bit that happens.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
He goes, there's a news cycle and they move on
to other things. We're also heading into the holiday, so
the news is desperate to go and talk about something.
We'll get into more of this next and we'll get
to some of your thoughts from the iHeartRadio app here
on Twinsday's News Talk. DHS freezes new home and community
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based care licenses for two years as applications explode two
one hundred and eighty three percent. This is story again
that we've heard over and over and over. These disability
waivers are exactly what Governor Tim Walls a year ago
blamed on the eighteen billion dollar surplus being turned into
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one of the largest deficits in state history. As we
continue the show from the sixty five to one Carpet
plus Next Day Install studios here on Twin Cities News Talk.
An internal memo dated December third and obtained by Alpha
News at DHS is slamming the brakes on one of
the state's fastest growing sectors, home and community based services.
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We're talking about adult day care services, individualize home supports,
integrated community supports, night supervision services, and transportation services.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Let me guess the transportation services you're talking about is
a company called Billy Bus bll E.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I see them all.
Speaker 11 (10:55):
The time and always wonder about it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
They're usually a smiley driver with nobody in the bus.
I bet you that's what it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
No idea, no idea if that's the case at all,
and hesitant to go and throw anybody.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Under the bus.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Hey without having confirmation or speculation on that front.
Speaker 11 (11:14):
John, it's not really hard to see where the fraud
was going to come. All of those that have said
their children have autism are the ones getting some of
these benefits for housing. They're also getting the benefits for transportation.
So when they start pulling the list, it's going to
be the same names over and over and over.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So what is a two four five D license? Okay,
to open a home or community based service business in Minnesota,
you must have a a two four five two hundred
and forty five two forty five D license.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I don't know how that's specifically said.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
These missinesses are meant to provide services, which is daily
living support, independent living skills training, behavior support, adult foster care,
and in home supervision. Over the past few years, the
number of licensed applications has exploded, with thousands of new
companies seeking to enter the HCBS market, the state's network
of home and community based disability care providers. Many of
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these new providers, according to the reporting at Alphanews, are
set to be Somali run and according to state workers
familiar with the industry who spoke with alphan News, the
two year moratorium will begin on January first of next
year and run through December thirty first of twenty seven.
Under the freeze, the agency will stop accepting new applications
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for the two forty five D licenses, stop adding new
service lines to currently licensed providers, and cancel all submitted
applications currently in the queue.
Speaker 8 (12:52):
This is what DHS.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Should have been doing all along when they saw the
explosion in requests coming from these different social service programs,
the majority of which were created under DFL leadership, when
they exploded in demand for funding requests, this is what
you do, you say, well, stop time out. We need
to make sure there's no fraud taking place here. Let's
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do a deeper dive and find out exactly what is
going on here before we go any further. The memo
says the moratorium is needed because the number of two
four or five D providers is exploding far faster than
the number of Minnesotan's actually receiving the HCBS waiver services.
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Waiver participants grew to just twenty four point seven percent,
while the new two four five D license applications skyrocketed
to two hundred and eighty three point three percent. They
play for your a clip house Republican floor leader Harry
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Nisk setting their record straight on fraud here in Minnesota
and Governor Tim Wallas's role in it. And keep in mind,
just last year Walls had said we went from the
eighteen billion dollars surplus to the deficit because of disability
waivers of which they are now currently going and halting.
Speaker 12 (14:20):
Republican Minnesota State Representative Harry nisk It's going to see
if sir failed VP candidate. Governor Walls there explains his
policies that arguably made Minnesota taxpayers the number one funder
of Al Shabab, saying it's all President Trump demonizing Somalis.
It's not the fact that his lax policies have led
to this absolute abuse of taxpayers.
Speaker 13 (14:42):
What say you, Well, that's just absurd and ridiculous and
it should be embarrassing to anybody to say something like that.
Tim Wallas hasn't put anyone in jail. Federal prosecutors in
Minnesota have put people, have put people in jail.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Tim Walls and.
Speaker 13 (14:57):
The people that work for him have just continued to allow.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
The money to flow.
Speaker 13 (15:01):
Billions and billions of dollars of our tax dollars, of
my tax dollars going a lot indirectly to things like
funding El Shabab like you heard about. It's going to
remittances flowing overseas into Somalia as well as other places,
and a lot of that money is going to horrible things.
It's money that should be going to feed kids, it's
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money that should be going to provide human services. To
people that actually need it, and instead he's allowing it,
the people working for him are allowing it to go
to criminals, to fraudsters, and ultimately some of it to terrorists.
And it's embarrassing. He should be embarrassed, but instead he's
going on TV and deflecting, trying to blame everybody other
than himself and the people that are actually responsible.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
And what's even more embarrassing or ely should be embarrassing,
is that just yesterday, the day before or actually, yeah,
this would have been the day before they put a
halt on these new waivers again that Walls went and
blamed on why we have a deficit after an eighteen
billion dollar surplus, and Walls is speaking to the media
and he's saying this.
Speaker 10 (16:03):
Well, aren't people going to abuse the program? How disrespectful
to people to assume that all Minnesotans are scamming. That's
what I hear from them all the time. I trust Minnesotans.
I believe in Minnesotans. I believe they know you're not
going to get rich and it's not your full salary.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You're not going to stop here.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
He's talking about paid family league, but leave. But his
logic applies to all of it. Who are the people?
And again, I'd love to know who are these people
that he's hearing from that says all of Minnesotan's are
committing fraud.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Bird, John, the hypocrisy of Walls knows snow bonds. I
remember he didn't trust us to make the right decisions
for the vaccines or during the shutdown, and it was
the social distancing and the destruction of the Minnesota economy.
Didn't trust us to make the right decisions. Then what's
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different now?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Goodn't wait?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
John rich So Yes, Tim Waltz is right in the
fact you can trust Minnesotans. The Rocks and Colors. People
are usually generally honest in caring and giving and have empathy.
It's the people that have moved here from Somalia that
represent one percent in our committing seventy three percent of
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the fraud Minnesota. Yes, Tim, you're right.
Speaker 14 (17:31):
Tim Walls at it again. He wants to put blind
trust that nobody's going to defraud the paid family leave.
You'd think after billions of dollars being fraudulently stolen from
the people who put you in office would wake you up,
But it just speaks to the level of incompetency that
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Tim Walls has and if we put him back, we
deserve everything we're going to get.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
We're going to get into more of this coming up
in just a moment. There's more details on these dhs
freezing the new home and community based care license services
that may be responsible for why we have a deficit
instead of that eighteen billion dollars surplus. Also, we're gonna
hear from the other side bias dfl shill. J. Patrick
Kulikan has an editorial in the Minnesota Reformer. First step
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for Walls, take responsibility. This is a really good example
of a broken clock being right twice a day. I'll
share with you some of the details and we'll get
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Speaker 9 (19:11):
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Speaker 1 (19:21):
You are the talkback of the day, brought to you
by minileafanmnileaf dot com. So congratulations to Victor. First brought
to my attention from the Minnesota House GOP rapid response
x account was Minnesota's record breaking eighteen billion dollar surplus
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from twenty twenty three stolen by fraudsters. Governor Walls seems
to think so when you flash back till one year
ago December fourth of twenty twenty four, Walls and announcing
the eighteen billion dollar surplus had turned into one of
the largest deficits in state history. He said, this was
the reason why.
Speaker 10 (20:00):
Made I want to thank our legislative leaders, who you'll
hear from here. Shortly, we made a decision to leave
a substantial amount of money on the bottom line last
year to be able to talk about that. You also
saw from this presentation looks it's pretty inescapable. There's two
areas that are the bulk of this growth. They make
up about seventy six percent of the budget the next time.
And inside of those areas, there's two areas where most
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of this increased spending where the debt's coming from. That's
in special education and that's in long term care and
disability waivers. And those are really hard decisions that are
going to have to be made, but those are things
that we're going to have to look at. That's what's
driving the spending, is what we've seen, and that's historic.
We talked about that last time. We talked about it coming.
This has happened over decades as its growth and you
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saw in the charts as it's growing.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
So but has it really happened over decades or did
this recent expansion just explode?
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Actually no, it was. It was two years.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Applications went up two hundred and eighty three percent. So
I do wonder when it comes special needs that needs
to be examined as well. One year after Wall said
that it was long term care and disability waivers that
caused the eighteen billion dollar surplus to go poof and
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leaving us with the deficit the largest in state history,
they announced they're implementing a moratorium on all new licenses
for two years. So I don't know about you, but
that makes it sound like that eighteen billion dollar surplus
was stolen because of fraud. The memo obtained by Alpha
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News acknowledges that DHS is doing nothing with my fingers,
not funded at a level to process the growing backlog
of license applications while also meeting the Federal Waiver Plan
commitments to review every two four five D licensed to
provider at least once every two years. That's interesting, But
they were fine with dealing with the rapid grip growth
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of all of the other programs that turned out to
be fraudulent, and it was because of that rapid growth
six seven to ten million exploding to four hundred million
in some cases over the course of a handful of years.
They could deal with all of that, but they can't
deal with this. They do say, this's concerned. They need
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to check because you know, we're concerned. They're concerned about fraud. No,
that means they probably are fraudulent. Even after hiring additional licensers.
In twenty twenty three, annual review workloads nearly doubled from
two hundred and four reviews in twenty two to four
hundred and four reviews so far in twenty five. To
comply with federal requirements, DHS it says it would need
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to conduct at least eight hundred and forty seven reviews
per year for the next two years now. DHS did
not disclose the demographic or ownership breakdowns of the surge,
including how many of the pending applications are from Somali
owned or Somali run two four five D companies. Off
The News asked to DHS how many some ALLI owners
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some Ali run providers are represented in the twenty three
and fourteen applications pending applications. A spokesperson responding says DHS
does not collect racial or demographic information about the license
holders or applications.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I'm pretty sure you can probably just check the names.
I just.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Okay. They put a stop to new application.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Are they going to then turn their energy towards auditing
all the existing licenses for fraud?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Your guess is as good as mine.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
H morning, John, And he talks about people not getting
rich off of our programs. Is that all it's going
to take is go ahead steal from us? Just don't
get quote unquote.
Speaker 15 (23:52):
Rich Tim Walls, you're not a been assault and you
don't understand us. You're from Nebraska. You fled here because
you got in trouble with the law out Nebraska, with
your dui and your drunkenness. So don't sit up there
and tell us what we are and what we feel
and what we do. You have no idea us rocks
and cows. People are much more genders than you are.
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And we do it out of the kindness of our hearts,
not at the point of a gun because government tells
us we have to so pound sand walls.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Wow, might drop on that one Minnesota reformer. What's the
other side saying? How is how are supporters to governor
Tim Walls? How are they dealing with all of this attention?
We look at Minnesota reformer first step Walls take responsibility.
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This is written by and we've covered him before, Bias
dfl Shill, j.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Patrick Cooligan, who.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Demonstrates once again that one a broken clock is right
twice a day, and two Walls is in trouble. If
this guy is criticizing, but he does what he always does.
He criticizes, he's honest about it, gives a good assessment
and then at the end the entire thing just goes
off the rails into an anti Trump rant.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
But I'm gonna share it with you.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Nonetheless, ask to Sunday my hosts of Christian Welker if
he takes responsibility for a widespread fraud discovered in some
of the Minnesota social services programs, Walls answered, I take
responsibility for putting people in jail. Governors don't get to
just talk theoretically, we have to solve problems. It means
nothing he will notice, not just some mollie's meaning the
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fraud taking place. So thanks for pointing that there's a
lot of other people that go and do the fraud
as well. It's true, but the majority is done by
the smaller community. By the way, he doesn't you know,
he says he takes responsibility for putting people in jail.
We've talked about this before, but he hasn't done anything.
He didn't put anybody in jail. That was former Minnesota
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Attorney US Attorney Joe Thompson. And as a matter of fact,
with Keith Ellison, who we will get to here in
just a moment, did put a fraudster away. It was
an activist j just let him go, and she needs
to be investigated to find out why in the world
she went and let that husband and wife operation that
we're convicted by a jury of fraud go. He also
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mentions the triple A bond rating. But that attracts criminals,
says Walls. Those people are going to jail. We're doing
everything we can, but to demonize an entire community on
the actions of a few, it's lazy.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
So J.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Patrick Culikan then says, start from the bottom. Do fraudsters
seek out states with triple A bond ratings? Kulikan says,
I have trouble picturing a couple of scammers pouring over
the SMP bond ratings, looking at each other and saying
we must go north. He's right, especially since our fraud
problem is homegrown. He's right again. Also, it's a real
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shame that being a well run state attracts fraud per
Walls sort of puts it in a difficult BND. Do
we want a well run state? If we do, I
guess we're inviting fraud. Bummer hat tip to J. Patrick
Hoolick in so far he's hitting the nail on the head.
At the start of his answer, Walls takes responsibility for
putting people in jail. It's an interesting assertion. The federal government,
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as I mentioned, of both Democrat and Republican administrations have
charged more than eighty people with stealing from food to
aid and medicaid programs. What would Walls's role be in
sending people to federal prison after federal prosecutions? Now, his
spokesperson sent j Patrick Houlick in this statement, prosecutions don't
materialize out of thin air.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
The Department of Human Services does.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Extensive investigative working collaboration with federal prosecutors, and the governor
has created a specialized law enforcement fraud unit, the Bureau
of Criminal Apprehension. The executive's job is to assist law
enforcement and prosecutors in every possible way, not to undermine
their work by pardoning fraudsters. Okay, so Walls's governor, that's
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basically it. So because DHS worked with the individuals that
actually charged a convicted the people, they're trying to go
and take credit saying that I put those people in jail,
but he really didn't. The last bit is a swipe
at President Donald Trump, writes Kuligan, who has declared amnesty
for just about every white collar criminal in America. And
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never forget the sixteen hundred insurrectionists. Remember the broken clock
is right twice a day. He's still a broken clock.
And he hates Trump.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
And I wonder what j.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Patrick Coulikin has to say of Trump pardoning Democrat Henry
Quaar just out of curiosity.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
He goes on to right.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
But to call the recent efforts tardy is vastly understating it.
When The Reformer reported in two thousand and four that
the FBI was investigating autism centers on the suspicion of
phony building, a DHS assistant commissioner waved us off when
we asked about the explosive growth of the program, which
seemingly should have raised red flags.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
They said this, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
We are surprised or particularly disturbed by the rate of growth. Again,
that was a DHS official saying that, and those programs
have now turned out to be fraudulent.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
She also told us.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
The growth was pretty consistent with other DHS programs such
as Housing and Stabilization Services, which is pretty funny in retrospect,
considering that program was still riddled with fraud that Walls
had to move to shut it down this summer. I
believe it was stated that it was one hundred percent fraudulent,
like no dollars were spent on legitimate means in the
HSS program in the spring of twenty twenty five. Even
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as February stars Rebunes Report raised to questions about the
potential for fraud and the Housing Stability Program, Walls's budget
request included funding for additional DHS positions to keep up
with the exclusive growth of the program. You see, and
that's the excuse they're using now in halting the light
the long term care disability waivers. Oh, we don't have
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enough manpower, guys, we have to halt it. That's not
the reason why. It's just an excuse, just like it
was an excuse back then when they made it. Though,
they're halting it because it's fraudulent and they don't want
to be upfront about it. Right now, where it could,
DHS moved to speed up the processing times and let
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more individuals into the program. A defense lawyer for some
of the defendants in various fraud cases recently told The
New York Times that it was all so easy. They
figured out it must be okay.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
To steal.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
No one was doing anything about the red flags. It
was like someone was stealing money from the cookie jar
and they just kept refilling it. That doesn't sound like
intensive investigations to me, writes J.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Patrick Hooligan.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
As a result of this mess, in Minnesota's reputation for
clean government and business has been badly damaged. Now the
whole thing is about to go off the rails, and
I'll share this with you in just a moment. Let's
get to a few of your comments first though. Here
on Twin City's News Talk.
Speaker 15 (31:08):
Good morning, gentlemen, random guy from Rocks and Cow's Land
otherwise known as Greater Minnesota. Yeah, that judge that overturned
the jury's ruling, is she like twelve years old? There
ain't no way she's got enough legal experience, knowledge or
life experience to be sitting on any kind of a bench.
(31:28):
She probably got her degree from Brown back when that
was still a thing here in the cities. If you
know anything about that debacle, I have a good one.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Well, looks like we're in Locke because our bond rating
got dropped to double A.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yep, sure did J. Patrick hoolikin wraps on this as worrisome.
Tens of thousands of some all the Americans who happened
to have the same ancestral background as most of the
Minnesota scammers but nothing else in common, have been slandered
by Trump and his cronies, and now the community will
face the terror of ice. They just keep tossing out
(32:03):
that accusation, zero relevant examples, by the way, but it
all started with the Walls administration steckless failures. Okay, so
he's back to doing the right thing. Unfortunately, Trump and
the Internet have ushered in a political era of brazing
it out.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Of brazening it out.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Never apologize, never take responsibility, Spew whatever argo bargle comes
to your mind, attack, repeat. This behavior should be familiar
to Walls, a former geography teacher and football coach. Is
the behavior of adolescence, and it's consumed our entire political
medio system, media system. So wait, now it's suddenly Trump
(32:42):
and the Internet's fault. See, guys, they're bad too. If
they can't leave it as well enough, you just can't.
This is what TDS does to you. Even when you're
going and doing the right thing and you're being rational,
you still have to go and slam Trump and make
it all about it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
They have what's called a Trump derangement problem. Have you
heard about that problem?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Then, he says, to his credit, Walls's love of Minnesotan's
and Minnesota is that of a convert, ardent and true.
So he should consider respecting our intelligence and coming clean
about hey and key people in his administration failed us.
If he's unwilling to do so, then maybe it's time
for a courageous Democrat to consider.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
A primary challenge.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's right, guys, Walls's love of Minnesota and Minnesotan's is
ardent and true.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
We shouldn't give him too hard of a time.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
I'm ready to get beat.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Thank you so much for hanging out on the show
this morning. If you missed any portion of the broadcast,
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Speaker 2 (33:55):
App tomorrow and studio.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
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Representative Walter Hudson as well, have yourself a fantastic Thursday.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Talk to you tomorrow.
Speaker 15 (34:08):
Back
We were just discussing on the show Immigrations and Customs
enforcement in Minneapolis. Minneapolis man baby may or mom Jeans
Jacob Fry issuing an executive order to not allow ICE
to use public parking spaces. Also Cinny clowncil person Jamal
(00:31):
Osmon calling Trump a racist, islamophobic individual, all kinds of
the horrible ists and isms, and then turning around and
inviting Trump, through the goodness of his heart, to Minneapolis
to see what's going on firsthand.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I don't know why you would do that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is this the same Jamal Osmond whose brother Libmann Osmon
made YouTube videos of him collecting votes and filling out
voter bellots prior to an election.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hell, yeah, I'm throwing you prosecuted for voter fraud. I'll
give you the answer. Yes, yes, it is.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Good morning, John.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I keep hearing about demonizing a whole.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Community and rounding up a community.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
And I'm pretty sure that ICE is picking people out
individually from their immigration status.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That is their job.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
They're not rounding up a block of sallies and putting
them all into a patty van.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
This is absurd, No, but that's the idea that they
want to perpetuate. That's absolutely the idea that they That's
what they want you to believe.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
John, This is horrible.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
They're just randomly grabbing people and asking them for IDs.
Speaker 8 (01:58):
How are married women.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Not going to get they can't get ideas? Oh my goodness,
this is terrible.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You guys are on a roll this morning.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Friend of the show kW And this is why I
call him friend of the show because he leaves relevant,
worthwhile comments.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I'm not even I'm not being sarcastic here. He does.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He may not agree with me politically, but he's rational.
In his commentary, good morning.
Speaker 9 (02:26):
This is k W also known as Kenneth the Menace
from the Great City of Minneapolis, a local activist of
politicians are cultivating unnecessary fear in our community regarding Ice.
We welcome Ice. The reasons why because we have nothing
to hide. We are a welcoming city. Come on, Ice,
(02:46):
come in, do what you have to do because we
have nothing to hide. Make it a great day, everybody,
and don't fear Ice. Ice is your friend.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Do you make a great point. You make a great point, and.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It pushes back to directly on the commentary coming from
the left, coming from Democrats, regarding what's taking place. One
of the major talking points that's gone around in light
of all of this is, you know, most individuals from
the Samali community are here legally, and yet in the
(03:19):
same breath they're complaining that Trump is arbitrarily going and
targeting the Samali community. Well, if they're here legally, there's
nothing to worry about. If you're being honest, Ice is
carrying out actions based off of lawful orders that they
have of individuals. So to what kW is saying, he's right.
If what you say is true, you have nothing to fear.
(03:40):
But you're not going to see that coming. You're not
going to see that commentary coming from Democrats. It's not
politically advantageous for them to go and do so. I
have a talk back of the day chosen. This would
have been a good runner up.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
However, I think we need to get it out there
that the police must not follow illegal orders otherwise, you know,
they might be prosecuted.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That's a great to that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I predicted that this story here is about to get
a lot bigger.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I was first.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
This was first brought to my attention on x from
the Minnesota House GOP rapid response x account. They posted
this yesterday along with the clip that I'm going to
share with you here in just a moment. So was
Minnesota's record breaking eighteen billion dollar serrplus from twenty twenty
three stolen by fraudsters? Governor's Walls seems to think. So,
this is what the House gop A rapid response post said.
(04:44):
When Walls announced last year that he and the DFL
trifecta had turned the eighteen billion dollars seriplus into one
of the largest deficits in state history, most Minnesotans wondered
where the money actually went. The Walls explicitly said in
the press conference, this is where the debt's coming from,
(05:06):
disability waivers. That's what's driving the spending. You saw it
in the charts. That's where it's growing. Here's the audio decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Mate.
Speaker 10 (05:15):
I want to thank our legislative leaders who you'll hear
from here. Shortly. We made a decision to leave a
substantial amount of money on the bottom line last year
to be able to talk about that. You also saw
from this presentation. Look, it's pretty inescapable. There's two areas
that are the bulk of this growth. They make up
about seventy six percent of the budget the next time,
and let me.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Stop just really quick. If I had a larger team.
This is no offense to Devin at all. I know
you can handle it. I just don't want to make
you go and do this, but I need to go
and start taking walls and his commentary.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I'm a talk show host. You can do this to
me as well, but beat it is it may.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I want to take walls in his commentary and just
drip out all the unnecessary word salad comments that he
throws in. As Bill wallsh from Center of the American
Experiment describes it, it's kind of like he speaks in
Governor Tim Wall's shorthand as he fills in the gaps
in his thinking on some Okay, let me get back
(06:08):
to the clip.
Speaker 10 (06:09):
I'm sorry decisions mate. I want to thank our legislative leaders,
who you'll hear from here. Shortly. We made a decision
to leave a substantial amount of money on the bottom
line last year to be able to talk about that.
You also saw from this presentation. Look, it's pretty inescapable.
There's two areas that are the bulk of this growth
and make up about seventy six percent of the budget
the next time. And inside of those areas, there's two
(06:29):
areas where most of this increased spending, where the debt's
coming from. That's in special education and that's in long
term care and disability waivers. And those are really hard
decisions that are going to have to be made, but
those are things that we're going to have to look at.
That's what's driving the spending, is what we've seen, and
that's historic. We talked about that last time, we talked
about it coming. This has happened over decades as his
(06:51):
growth and you saw in the charts as it's growing.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So that was one year ago.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
One year ago, Walls explicitly says when trying to explain
where the eighteen billion dollar surplus went. First off, it's
an admission that he didn't give it back to you
and me, because that would be the easy explanation, right,
We'll be giving back to the taxpayer because they didn't
a tiny, tiny amount long term care and disability waivers. Yesterday,
(07:20):
that was December fourth, of what you just heard of
twenty twenty four. Yesterday, the Walls administration announced that they
were implementing a moratorium on all new HCBS licenses for
two years. So what is HCBS Home and community based
services funded by developmental disability waivers. Several HCBS programs have
(07:49):
been identified as being at high risk for fraud. That's
code speak for they're fraudulent. They know already. They already
know Delta services, Individualize home Supports, Integrated Community Supports, Night
supervision services, transportation services.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Have been waiting for that one to pop up.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I know there are others out there, especially those over
at Alphinus, waiting for that one because there's a whole
aspect relating to the transportation services tied into those social
service programs that have already been found to be fraudulent
that we haven't even dove into yet, billing for transportation
services for empty vehicles transporting non existent children to autism
(08:34):
centers that aren't getting any autism treatment because they weren't
real to begin with. In their internal memo, the Walls
Administration says the average number of active licenses rose by
fifty five point three percent and the new license applications
grew by two hundred and eighty three point three percent.
(08:56):
So to continue with this and wrap up before we
get to the official store, from Alpha News and More
Audio to Share. Eighteen billion turned into a deficit, and
Walls in twenty twenty four, one year ago said it
was because of an increase in disability waiver funding, and
now we learn that they are at high risk for fraud.
(09:20):
This is the next big one that's going to break
in regards to the stories that are being talked about nationwide,
because right.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
Now you pay attention, the story is dying. This a
little tiny bit that happens.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
He goes, there's a news cycle and they move on
to other things. We're also heading into the holiday, so
the news is desperate to go and talk about something.
We'll get into more of this next and we'll get
to some of your thoughts from the iHeartRadio app here
on Twinsday's News Talk. DHS freezes new home and community
(09:52):
based care licenses for two years as applications explode two
one hundred and eighty three percent. This is story again
that we've heard over and over and over. These disability
waivers are exactly what Governor Tim Walls a year ago
blamed on the eighteen billion dollar surplus being turned into
(10:15):
one of the largest deficits in state history. As we
continue the show from the sixty five to one Carpet
plus Next Day Install studios here on Twin Cities News Talk.
An internal memo dated December third and obtained by Alpha
News at DHS is slamming the brakes on one of
the state's fastest growing sectors, home and community based services.
(10:36):
We're talking about adult day care services, individualize home supports,
integrated community supports, night supervision services, and transportation services.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Let me guess the transportation services you're talking about is
a company called Billy Bus bll E.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I see them all.
Speaker 11 (10:55):
The time and always wonder about it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
They're usually a smiley driver with nobody in the bus.
I bet you that's what it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
No idea, no idea if that's the case at all,
and hesitant to go and throw anybody.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Under the bus.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Hey without having confirmation or speculation on that front.
Speaker 11 (11:14):
John, it's not really hard to see where the fraud
was going to come. All of those that have said
their children have autism are the ones getting some of
these benefits for housing. They're also getting the benefits for transportation.
So when they start pulling the list, it's going to
be the same names over and over and over.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So what is a two four five D license? Okay,
to open a home or community based service business in Minnesota,
you must have a a two four five two hundred
and forty five two forty five D license.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I don't know how that's specifically said.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
These missinesses are meant to provide services, which is daily
living support, independent living skills training, behavior support, adult foster care,
and in home supervision. Over the past few years, the
number of licensed applications has exploded, with thousands of new
companies seeking to enter the HCBS market, the state's network
of home and community based disability care providers. Many of
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these new providers, according to the reporting at Alphanews, are
set to be Somali run and according to state workers
familiar with the industry who spoke with alphan News, the
two year moratorium will begin on January first of next
year and run through December thirty first of twenty seven.
Under the freeze, the agency will stop accepting new applications
(12:42):
for the two forty five D licenses, stop adding new
service lines to currently licensed providers, and cancel all submitted
applications currently in the queue.
Speaker 8 (12:52):
This is what DHS.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Should have been doing all along when they saw the
explosion in requests coming from these different social service programs,
the majority of which were created under DFL leadership, when
they exploded in demand for funding requests, this is what
you do, you say, well, stop time out. We need
to make sure there's no fraud taking place here. Let's
(13:16):
do a deeper dive and find out exactly what is
going on here before we go any further. The memo
says the moratorium is needed because the number of two
four or five D providers is exploding far faster than
the number of Minnesotan's actually receiving the HCBS waiver services.
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Waiver participants grew to just twenty four point seven percent,
while the new two four five D license applications skyrocketed
to two hundred and eighty three point three percent. They
play for your a clip house Republican floor leader Harry
(14:00):
Nisk setting their record straight on fraud here in Minnesota
and Governor Tim Wallas's role in it. And keep in mind,
just last year Walls had said we went from the
eighteen billion dollars surplus to the deficit because of disability
waivers of which they are now currently going and halting.
Speaker 12 (14:20):
Republican Minnesota State Representative Harry nisk It's going to see
if sir failed VP candidate. Governor Walls there explains his
policies that arguably made Minnesota taxpayers the number one funder
of Al Shabab, saying it's all President Trump demonizing Somalis.
It's not the fact that his lax policies have led
to this absolute abuse of taxpayers.
Speaker 13 (14:42):
What say you, Well, that's just absurd and ridiculous and
it should be embarrassing to anybody to say something like that.
Tim Wallas hasn't put anyone in jail. Federal prosecutors in
Minnesota have put people, have put people in jail.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Tim Walls and.
Speaker 13 (14:57):
The people that work for him have just continued to allow.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
The money to flow.
Speaker 13 (15:01):
Billions and billions of dollars of our tax dollars, of
my tax dollars going a lot indirectly to things like
funding El Shabab like you heard about. It's going to
remittances flowing overseas into Somalia as well as other places,
and a lot of that money is going to horrible things.
It's money that should be going to feed kids, it's
(15:22):
money that should be going to provide human services. To
people that actually need it, and instead he's allowing it,
the people working for him are allowing it to go
to criminals, to fraudsters, and ultimately some of it to terrorists.
And it's embarrassing. He should be embarrassed, but instead he's
going on TV and deflecting, trying to blame everybody other
than himself and the people that are actually responsible.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
And what's even more embarrassing or ely should be embarrassing,
is that just yesterday, the day before or actually, yeah,
this would have been the day before they put a
halt on these new waivers again that Walls went and
blamed on why we have a deficit after an eighteen
billion dollar surplus, and Walls is speaking to the media
and he's saying this.
Speaker 10 (16:03):
Well, aren't people going to abuse the program? How disrespectful
to people to assume that all Minnesotans are scamming. That's
what I hear from them all the time. I trust Minnesotans.
I believe in Minnesotans. I believe they know you're not
going to get rich and it's not your full salary.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You're not going to stop here.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
He's talking about paid family league, but leave. But his
logic applies to all of it. Who are the people?
And again, I'd love to know who are these people
that he's hearing from that says all of Minnesotan's are
committing fraud.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Bird, John, the hypocrisy of Walls knows snow bonds. I
remember he didn't trust us to make the right decisions
for the vaccines or during the shutdown, and it was
the social distancing and the destruction of the Minnesota economy.
Didn't trust us to make the right decisions. Then what's
(16:57):
different now?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Goodn't wait?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
John rich So Yes, Tim Waltz is right in the
fact you can trust Minnesotans. The Rocks and Colors. People
are usually generally honest in caring and giving and have empathy.
It's the people that have moved here from Somalia that
represent one percent in our committing seventy three percent of
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the fraud Minnesota. Yes, Tim, you're right.
Speaker 14 (17:31):
Tim Walls at it again. He wants to put blind
trust that nobody's going to defraud the paid family leave.
You'd think after billions of dollars being fraudulently stolen from
the people who put you in office would wake you up,
But it just speaks to the level of incompetency that
(17:53):
Tim Walls has and if we put him back, we
deserve everything we're going to get.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
We're going to get into more of this coming up
in just a moment. There's more details on these dhs
freezing the new home and community based care license services
that may be responsible for why we have a deficit
instead of that eighteen billion dollars surplus. Also, we're gonna
hear from the other side bias dfl shill. J. Patrick
Kulikan has an editorial in the Minnesota Reformer. First step
(18:20):
for Walls, take responsibility. This is a really good example
of a broken clock being right twice a day. I'll
share with you some of the details and we'll get
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Speaker 9 (19:11):
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You are the talkback of the day, brought to you
by minileafanmnileaf dot com. So congratulations to Victor. First brought
to my attention from the Minnesota House GOP rapid response
x account was Minnesota's record breaking eighteen billion dollar surplus
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from twenty twenty three stolen by fraudsters. Governor Walls seems
to think so when you flash back till one year
ago December fourth of twenty twenty four, Walls and announcing
the eighteen billion dollar surplus had turned into one of
the largest deficits in state history. He said, this was
the reason why.
Speaker 10 (20:00):
Made I want to thank our legislative leaders, who you'll
hear from here. Shortly, we made a decision to leave
a substantial amount of money on the bottom line last
year to be able to talk about that. You also
saw from this presentation looks it's pretty inescapable. There's two
areas that are the bulk of this growth. They make
up about seventy six percent of the budget the next time.
And inside of those areas, there's two areas where most
(20:20):
of this increased spending where the debt's coming from. That's
in special education and that's in long term care and
disability waivers. And those are really hard decisions that are
going to have to be made, but those are things
that we're going to have to look at. That's what's
driving the spending, is what we've seen, and that's historic.
We talked about that last time. We talked about it coming.
This has happened over decades as its growth and you
(20:42):
saw in the charts as it's growing.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
So but has it really happened over decades or did
this recent expansion just explode?
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Actually no, it was. It was two years.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Applications went up two hundred and eighty three percent. So
I do wonder when it comes special needs that needs
to be examined as well. One year after Wall said
that it was long term care and disability waivers that
caused the eighteen billion dollar surplus to go poof and
(21:16):
leaving us with the deficit the largest in state history,
they announced they're implementing a moratorium on all new licenses
for two years. So I don't know about you, but
that makes it sound like that eighteen billion dollar surplus
was stolen because of fraud. The memo obtained by Alpha
(21:38):
News acknowledges that DHS is doing nothing with my fingers,
not funded at a level to process the growing backlog
of license applications while also meeting the Federal Waiver Plan
commitments to review every two four five D licensed to
provider at least once every two years. That's interesting, But
they were fine with dealing with the rapid grip growth
(22:00):
of all of the other programs that turned out to
be fraudulent, and it was because of that rapid growth
six seven to ten million exploding to four hundred million
in some cases over the course of a handful of years.
They could deal with all of that, but they can't
deal with this. They do say, this's concerned. They need
(22:21):
to check because you know, we're concerned. They're concerned about fraud. No,
that means they probably are fraudulent. Even after hiring additional licensers.
In twenty twenty three, annual review workloads nearly doubled from
two hundred and four reviews in twenty two to four
hundred and four reviews so far in twenty five. To
comply with federal requirements, DHS it says it would need
(22:44):
to conduct at least eight hundred and forty seven reviews
per year for the next two years now. DHS did
not disclose the demographic or ownership breakdowns of the surge,
including how many of the pending applications are from Somali
owned or Somali run two four five D companies. Off
The News asked to DHS how many some ALLI owners
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some Ali run providers are represented in the twenty three
and fourteen applications pending applications. A spokesperson responding says DHS
does not collect racial or demographic information about the license
holders or applications.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I'm pretty sure you can probably just check the names.
I just.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Okay. They put a stop to new application.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Are they going to then turn their energy towards auditing
all the existing licenses for fraud?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Your guess is as good as mine.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
H morning, John, And he talks about people not getting
rich off of our programs. Is that all it's going
to take is go ahead steal from us? Just don't
get quote unquote.
Speaker 15 (23:52):
Rich Tim Walls, you're not a been assault and you
don't understand us. You're from Nebraska. You fled here because
you got in trouble with the law out Nebraska, with
your dui and your drunkenness. So don't sit up there
and tell us what we are and what we feel
and what we do. You have no idea us rocks
and cows. People are much more genders than you are.
(24:12):
And we do it out of the kindness of our hearts,
not at the point of a gun because government tells
us we have to so pound sand walls.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Wow, might drop on that one Minnesota reformer. What's the
other side saying? How is how are supporters to governor
Tim Walls? How are they dealing with all of this attention?
We look at Minnesota reformer first step Walls take responsibility.
(24:42):
This is written by and we've covered him before, Bias
dfl Shill, j.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Patrick Cooligan, who.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Demonstrates once again that one a broken clock is right
twice a day, and two Walls is in trouble. If
this guy is criticizing, but he does what he always does.
He criticizes, he's honest about it, gives a good assessment
and then at the end the entire thing just goes
off the rails into an anti Trump rant.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
But I'm gonna share it with you.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Nonetheless, ask to Sunday my hosts of Christian Welker if
he takes responsibility for a widespread fraud discovered in some
of the Minnesota social services programs, Walls answered, I take
responsibility for putting people in jail. Governors don't get to
just talk theoretically, we have to solve problems. It means
nothing he will notice, not just some mollie's meaning the
(25:28):
fraud taking place. So thanks for pointing that there's a
lot of other people that go and do the fraud
as well. It's true, but the majority is done by
the smaller community. By the way, he doesn't you know,
he says he takes responsibility for putting people in jail.
We've talked about this before, but he hasn't done anything.
He didn't put anybody in jail. That was former Minnesota
(25:50):
Attorney US Attorney Joe Thompson. And as a matter of fact,
with Keith Ellison, who we will get to here in
just a moment, did put a fraudster away. It was
an activist j just let him go, and she needs
to be investigated to find out why in the world
she went and let that husband and wife operation that
we're convicted by a jury of fraud go. He also
(26:15):
mentions the triple A bond rating. But that attracts criminals,
says Walls. Those people are going to jail. We're doing
everything we can, but to demonize an entire community on
the actions of a few, it's lazy.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
So J.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Patrick Culikan then says, start from the bottom. Do fraudsters
seek out states with triple A bond ratings? Kulikan says,
I have trouble picturing a couple of scammers pouring over
the SMP bond ratings, looking at each other and saying
we must go north. He's right, especially since our fraud
problem is homegrown. He's right again. Also, it's a real
(26:48):
shame that being a well run state attracts fraud per
Walls sort of puts it in a difficult BND. Do
we want a well run state? If we do, I
guess we're inviting fraud. Bummer hat tip to J. Patrick
Hoolick in so far he's hitting the nail on the head.
At the start of his answer, Walls takes responsibility for
putting people in jail. It's an interesting assertion. The federal government,
(27:11):
as I mentioned, of both Democrat and Republican administrations have
charged more than eighty people with stealing from food to
aid and medicaid programs. What would Walls's role be in
sending people to federal prison after federal prosecutions? Now, his
spokesperson sent j Patrick Houlick in this statement, prosecutions don't
materialize out of thin air.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
The Department of Human Services does.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Extensive investigative working collaboration with federal prosecutors, and the governor
has created a specialized law enforcement fraud unit, the Bureau
of Criminal Apprehension. The executive's job is to assist law
enforcement and prosecutors in every possible way, not to undermine
their work by pardoning fraudsters. Okay, so Walls's governor, that's
(27:54):
basically it. So because DHS worked with the individuals that
actually charged a convicted the people, they're trying to go
and take credit saying that I put those people in jail,
but he really didn't. The last bit is a swipe
at President Donald Trump, writes Kuligan, who has declared amnesty
for just about every white collar criminal in America. And
(28:18):
never forget the sixteen hundred insurrectionists. Remember the broken clock
is right twice a day. He's still a broken clock.
And he hates Trump.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
And I wonder what j.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Patrick Coulikin has to say of Trump pardoning Democrat Henry
Quaar just out of curiosity.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
He goes on to right.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
But to call the recent efforts tardy is vastly understating it.
When The Reformer reported in two thousand and four that
the FBI was investigating autism centers on the suspicion of
phony building, a DHS assistant commissioner waved us off when
we asked about the explosive growth of the program, which
seemingly should have raised red flags.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
They said this, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
We are surprised or particularly disturbed by the rate of growth. Again,
that was a DHS official saying that, and those programs
have now turned out to be fraudulent.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
She also told us.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
The growth was pretty consistent with other DHS programs such
as Housing and Stabilization Services, which is pretty funny in retrospect,
considering that program was still riddled with fraud that Walls
had to move to shut it down this summer. I
believe it was stated that it was one hundred percent fraudulent,
like no dollars were spent on legitimate means in the
HSS program in the spring of twenty twenty five. Even
(29:33):
as February stars Rebunes Report raised to questions about the
potential for fraud and the Housing Stability Program, Walls's budget
request included funding for additional DHS positions to keep up
with the exclusive growth of the program. You see, and
that's the excuse they're using now in halting the light
the long term care disability waivers. Oh, we don't have
(29:57):
enough manpower, guys, we have to halt it. That's not
the reason why. It's just an excuse, just like it
was an excuse back then when they made it. Though,
they're halting it because it's fraudulent and they don't want
to be upfront about it. Right now, where it could,
DHS moved to speed up the processing times and let
(30:19):
more individuals into the program. A defense lawyer for some
of the defendants in various fraud cases recently told The
New York Times that it was all so easy. They
figured out it must be okay.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
To steal.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
No one was doing anything about the red flags. It
was like someone was stealing money from the cookie jar
and they just kept refilling it. That doesn't sound like
intensive investigations to me, writes J.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Patrick Hooligan.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
As a result of this mess, in Minnesota's reputation for
clean government and business has been badly damaged. Now the
whole thing is about to go off the rails, and
I'll share this with you in just a moment. Let's
get to a few of your comments first though. Here
on Twin City's News Talk.
Speaker 15 (31:08):
Good morning, gentlemen, random guy from Rocks and Cow's Land
otherwise known as Greater Minnesota. Yeah, that judge that overturned
the jury's ruling, is she like twelve years old? There
ain't no way she's got enough legal experience, knowledge or
life experience to be sitting on any kind of a bench.
(31:28):
She probably got her degree from Brown back when that
was still a thing here in the cities. If you
know anything about that debacle, I have a good one.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Well, looks like we're in Locke because our bond rating
got dropped to double A.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yep, sure did J. Patrick hoolikin wraps on this as worrisome.
Tens of thousands of some all the Americans who happened
to have the same ancestral background as most of the
Minnesota scammers but nothing else in common, have been slandered
by Trump and his cronies, and now the community will
face the terror of ice. They just keep tossing out
(32:03):
that accusation, zero relevant examples, by the way, but it
all started with the Walls administration steckless failures. Okay, so
he's back to doing the right thing. Unfortunately, Trump and
the Internet have ushered in a political era of brazing
it out.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Of brazening it out.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Never apologize, never take responsibility, Spew whatever argo bargle comes
to your mind, attack, repeat. This behavior should be familiar
to Walls, a former geography teacher and football coach. Is
the behavior of adolescence, and it's consumed our entire political
medio system, media system. So wait, now it's suddenly Trump
(32:42):
and the Internet's fault. See, guys, they're bad too. If
they can't leave it as well enough, you just can't.
This is what TDS does to you. Even when you're
going and doing the right thing and you're being rational,
you still have to go and slam Trump and make
it all about it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
They have what's called a Trump derangement problem. Have you
heard about that problem?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Then, he says, to his credit, Walls's love of Minnesotan's
and Minnesota is that of a convert, ardent and true.
So he should consider respecting our intelligence and coming clean
about hey and key people in his administration failed us.
If he's unwilling to do so, then maybe it's time
for a courageous Democrat to consider.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
A primary challenge.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's right, guys, Walls's love of Minnesota and Minnesotan's is
ardent and true.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
We shouldn't give him too hard of a time.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
I'm ready to get beat.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Thank you so much for hanging out on the show
this morning. If you missed any portion of the broadcast,
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Speaker 2 (33:55):
App tomorrow and studio.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Catherine Johnson from American Experiment RNC committed in ak Kamara
Representative Walter Hudson as well, have yourself a fantastic Thursday.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Talk to you tomorrow.
Speaker 15 (34:08):
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