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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It is a Monday post mortem edition of the Bumper
to Bumper program on a rather overcast Monday afternoon here
in the Twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul. I
am the host of the program. My name is Dan Barero.
Brett Blakemore is in for Guardsy again today. Who is
I believe in the Bahamas tracking the Golden Golfer women's
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basketball team participating in whatever the Bahamas tournament is this
time of year. So Guardsy is out today. Guards He
is also I Believe out tomorrow, and we have nevertheless
a powerpack broadcast for you today that includes some bonus Louis.
Louis could not go tomorrow, so we're squeezing him in today.
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He's going to join us probably about five thirty. I'm
renegotiating with Johnny Athletic as I screwed up the time.
Originally it said five oh two on him forgetting the
Liebers four forty seven, So being the accommodating sort that
Johnny is he is going to join now at four
oh two, right after Adam feeling. So that's the plan,
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and that means you're back on the hook for a
top five and five, which is I know all you
care about. I could tell I saw the look on
your face, like, oh God, I'm going to do it.
There should be more than enough on the basis of
a very busy weekend to fulfill the top five at five.
Vikings talking points will be a part of the equation
today as well. I've not gotten to hear a lot
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of the station today. I'm assuming there's been a lot
of fear and loathing expressed.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I know there was.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I did hear a decent amount of Vikings why line
yesterday and it got pretty ugly. Then the question on
the table is the obvious one. And by the way, there,
I think I'm told we're I was warned that we're
like redoing how we sign in the bratch on Brian
Cafe in text line, and already what I was told
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was going to happen isn't happening in terms of my
ability to reset. So bear with me on that. I
hope sometime between now and six thirty, we'll get that
figured out. But it's it's, it's it was. It's not
going the way I had been told it was going
to go. So we'll see if we can figure the
whole thing out before six thirty.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
In the meantime, you can still vent.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I'm just not as certain that i'll be I'm gonna
be able to get to exactly what you have to offer.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I don't know where to begin.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I think what's interesting about today's development is my gut
tells me that heads perked up, perhaps aps more than
they should on the basis of the door being opened
to JJ McCarthy not participating in the Seahawks game and
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Max Brosmer being the starting quarterback for the Vikings. I
believe this season is unsavable the season, But if you
live in a week, regardless of how good Brozmer plays,
if indeed he does play, I think this season is
effectively over for the Vikings from a playoffs standpoint.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
But the world of.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Tracking your favorite National Football League team is there's almost
two layers to it. There's the there's the larger view,
which is about making, you know, getting into playoffs and
making runs. But there's another view, and that is I
just want a couple natural highs on Sunday. Give me
something I can grab onto that might make me feel
a little better in the wake of another terrible road
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performance by the Viking and an even worst performance. Obviously
if from the quarterback, you know JJ McCarthy, so just
you're gonna grab onto whatever you can, that says, oh,
maybe there is a reason for me to pay attention,
or maybe there is a reason for me to to
uh actually watch a decent amount of the game in
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Seattle next Sunday against the Seahawks. That's my My sense
of it is the just this, even if you know
deep down, well, what can we really do to salvage it.
I just want a week where I see some competence
at the position, see something different, a flash where I go,
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wait a minute, now, maybe we do have a young quarterback,
it's just not the one who is highly tootored.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
That's I think that's the way the.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Mind of your average fan in this case Vikings fan works,
and I can understand that to a certain degree. I
really can. It's human nature to just give me something,
throw me a lifeline, and I won't give myself into
thinking that means we can turn around this whole season.
But I got to see something different, and I know
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that the head coach today, in revealing the concussion protocol
status of JJ McCarthy, insisted that no decisions have yet
been made. McCarthy's been in meetings, etc. I'm not here
to tell you that I think it's a slam dunk
that Brozmer plays, but I now believe, I really do
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believe that regardless of the condition of the team, it
would be in the best interests, the best interest I
should say, well, maybe interest if you want to include
the entire organization, but best interest in terms of JJ
McCarthy for him to not play this week, whether he
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is cleared from concussion protocol or not. And that's not
me saying, well, wait a minute, what's the point of
this season, don't you if the discussion is he's not
had enough reps, as ugly as it is, as painful
as it is, don't you have to keep throwing him
out there and trying to find out You're trying to
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find out can he swim? At some point? Can he
learn to swim? Because otherwise, what's the point of even
drafting him in the first place. We're going to give
up on him this easily. But I do believe in
something called what's the term for it. I guess it
would be just the concern about the mental state of
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a struggling player, a struggling young player.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Who has been led to believe this is his.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Job and the world is his oyster, and there's no
reason he can't hit the ground running that you may
you run the risk at this point, after that most
recent monstrosity of a game in Green Bay, of losing
the player forever. I believe in that. I believe in
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that concept, and so I think it would be in
the bed now.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It may be people.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Are gonna they're going to offer their own conspiracy theories
on whether this was a made up injury. I get that.
I understand the suspicion part of it has been bred
by what happened the last time he was sidelined. You remember,
there was nothing after the game about the injury, and
that didn't mean ultimately the injury was made up, but
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it did make it seem as if they didn't mind
it then, or they were going to kind of almost
encourage the possibility that he's hurt and we're going to
sit so you can say, to a certain extent, maybe
they were worried about his mental health then, and we're
kind of glad that he wasn't available. But I would say,
after this last, this game in Green Bay, I've been
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watching football a long time. I got to tell you,
boys and girls, I don't know that I've ever seen
a quarterback as ill equipped to play at this level
right now as JJ McCarthy is right now. So I
honestly believe that, as dangerous as it is, I know you,
oh yeah, if you sit him, well, then what isn't
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that going to hurt him even more?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Is that you're saying we've already given.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Up on him. You can, you don't have You don't
have to present it that way. You can present it
as we're gonna sit down and go over some stuff
that we think JJ needs to go over and we
need to go over with him. We're gonna give him
a break, we're gonna have him a little time off.
Doesn't mean I don't believe that you can't go back
to him at some point, or that you're utterly and
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completely done with him. But in fairness to everybody else
on your team, I just don't think you can play
him with a straight.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Face right now, not this week.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And the bad news for Brozemer is that's a tough
opening act anyway. You're going to a tough place to
play Seattle, a good team on the road, etc. But
I felt I've said this before and this is going
to be the cruel part. It may well be that
right now Max Brosmer is better prepared to do the
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basic mechanics that we associate with professional quarterbacking play. He's older,
His game is less about his athleticism. He's a quick
decision maker guy. That's how he had the success to
the degree he did at the University of Minnesota. Now
that doesn't ultimately mean that he's going to be the
best option in two or three years, because this whole
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game is about what it's just about now. It's about
quote unquote cliched upside, and that's where things could get funky.
Brozemer plays reasonably well and somehow the Vikings win.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Then have you fallen?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Have you?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Have you basically forced yourselves into a trap, whether you
have to continue to play him, whether you and your
heart of hearts as a head coach, as a quarterback.
Whisperer believes that long term, he has a Max Brozemer
has the best chance to becoming a franchise quarterback. That's
what's funky about this whole situation. But I just don't
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think in the short run. I mean, there's limits to
to me, you know, I said the last time Carson
Wentz played that the coach should have put him out
of his misery.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Inexcusable that he continued to play, regardless of whether he
could have been any more injured than he already was.
I'll say I'm pretty close to that same allegation here.
If the starting quarterback JJ McCarthy play, it starts again.
I mean, there's a responsibility that I think in this
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case a head coach has. A coach has to protect
his quarterback, not just in the case of Carson Wentz
on the physical side, but in the case of JJ
McCarthy on the mental side. There's something almost abusive about
that right now in the basis of what we've we're seeing.
I mean, we've gone through the numbers before. I'll give
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you some more today if it matters to you, but
you've read them. I'm sure heard of all the analytics
all day. They're historic even by rookie I should say
rookie first year. In terms of actual starts, first five
six seven starts, his numbers even by that standard are historic.
They're almost unprecedented. And in one of the analytics, I
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think he's only ahead of since two thousand, like JaMarcus Russ,
and the list is almost as bad on a couple
of other analytics.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So my advice would be.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
You sit him, not because you think it's over and
there's no chance he's irredeemable, but because in the short run,
I'm not sure that there's anything out there he's showing
you that indicates he's going to end up anything. But
despite his image and how you know, he's ready for everything,
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and he's shaking hands all the time, he's got the
EyeBlack going, and he's in it, and he's tough and
it's just a matter of the cork off the bottle,
all that stuff. Yeah, I think you really you run
the risk of forget the head trauma he might have
from the concussion, I just think the trauma emotionally for
continuing to play, no matter what his reputation is, no
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matter what teammates say about him, whatever, If you keep
throwing him out there at this point, I think it's cruel,
not for us, not for fans to watch, I think
it's crul for him. So we'll see how it goes
as the week goes on and they have their out again.
That's the beauty of this situation is they have their out.
Whether you want to believe it or not, they're out.
Can be concussion protocol. We've got to play this thing out.
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He's discussed some symptoms and we're big believers. I heard
Koc say that today. I'm the fan, big believers in
the following the protocol. There's no pressure, no argument from
here from us, et cetera. So to a certain extent, again,
you don't even have to say out loud what I'm
saying regarding saving JJ McCarthy from himself. You can just say,
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we got to let this thing play out. And as
the week goes on, it's becoming clear that he's not
gonna be able to go full So we're gonna go
ahead in fairness to this team, and we're gonna we're
gonna go with the guy who will be able to
practice and is healthy from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
That's sort of I think the where.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
We're at at this particular moment. All right, let's we
doing doing bonus Bucks this week? We're not bonus bucks
are out right now. Eventually I hope to have access
to the batchrond on Brian Cafe in text line. More
on that later, but you can also you can always
tweet me Dan burrero Kfan if that's the better way
for you to get whatever your point is across. And
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for the Brozmer Brownstone folks, it is the great central
irony that this is the day or a day when
the Brozemer possibility is open wide and the number one
Brozmer fan in the universe is nowhere near this studio.
He noted that irony as well. And I think it's
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rare when a person who's hanging in the Bahamas is
suffering for more fomo than those of us who are
up here preparing for twenty five degree weather. It's suppostly
the other way around, where we have fomo for where
he is right now. I think Guardie's got fomo that
he's not up here celebrating the possibility. Finally, the door
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opening to a Brozemers start for the Minnesota Vikings.
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Speaker 2 (15:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Look, I'm well aware that there were a number of
other dysfunctional aspects to the Vikings performance. They go beyond
the quarterback. Some of those will be covered in Vikings
talking points today. Adam Feelin is going to join us,
as I said at the bottom of this hour. But
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I'll also tell you that one particular issue is on
its own plateau, and to a large extent, it's affecting
everything else that this team is able to do from
an offensive standpoint, and quite frankly, it can end up
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having effects elsewhere on the team. I'm not saying it's
JJ McCarthy's fault that we had to screw up on
the putt return, but again you have to this is
not an indictment of the pick. This is not an
indictment which I endorsed. It's not a rejection of the
notion that JJ McCarthy can ever amount to anything. This
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is just living in the present and analyzing what the
analytics say and what your eyes tell you.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
This is not sustainable.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
You have almost zero chance to win football games with
this level of incompetence at the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's just everything.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
It's too important a position to not be able to
understand that. And I think I'm hoping that mc bobo's,
who've always been defensive, can accept that now at some
point they can't keep turning their heads away.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I don't think for what we're seeing. I mean, we
finally saw.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
This was the week that we saw the head coach
become Mike Zimmer in terms of conservative play calling. I mean,
he couldn't have been any clearer in the approach he took,
favoring the running game, which was at times very good,
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short passing game, Let's just keep it close and then
we might have something. And you know what, boys and girls,
without the muff punt, Who's this wasn't really a muff punt,
but of the fumble off the foot, who's to say
that the Vikings might have been able to hang in
there and at least make it a game that didn't
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look quite as lopsided as it ended up being. Now
long term, is it a way? Is it sustainable for
an offensive approach? No, it's certainly not. But you're living
again in the present and all you're trying to do
is get a little something going to help you try
to maybe get to the next bridge, where at that
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point you add another little piece, or you add something
that's a little bit more daring, or something that might
be a little bit more difficult.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
But come on, it's We can talk.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
About drop passes, we can talk about the line not
being as good as it's supposed to be with finally
all the starters together. We can talk about the defensive
front giving up too many rushing yardage, too much from
the rushing standpoint to a running back that most of
us had not even heard of.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
You had Brett Blake Moore. But that's about it.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
But there's there's the The importance of the quarterback is
already clear. But then there's I think the intangible aspect
of what having no chance at that position invariably can do,
I believe to the rest of the club, and I
don't expect Adam Thielen will acknowledge that or admit it.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't expect anybody to admit it. Who was it? Was?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Martellis basically made it sound like he's been great. That's
about as believable as PJ. Fleck saying we really get
I don't care what anybody says. We still got a
really good football team. You can say it. And it's
your team, and and and if you're a teammate, you're
trying to stand tall for your player. But come on, man,
I mean we're watching this stuff these games, aren't you know,
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you know, in a closed room where no one can
see them. We can all see what's going on. So
that's not very believable. In fact, do me a favor.
Will you look up time of possession? What was the
breakdown on time of possession for Vikings Packers? How much gloating,
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by the way, have you been doing? I might add
quite a lot, not on these airwaves.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Not yet.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You haven't. Well you will, you'll get to get time.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Let's see here the Packers thirty seven minutes, fifteen seconds,
Vikings twenty two minutes, forty five.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Twenty two minutes, twenty two minutes. Is that is that hurtful?
That that that sort of disparity is kind of difficult
to shall we say overcome?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Is it not? Thirty seven to twenty two? That's tough?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
It follows it dovetails perfectly. Gophers Northwestern Northwestern forty one minutes,
Golphers nineteen now go for offense at times did obviously
show a pulse, but those times of possession disparities for
both of our favorite football teams embarrassing. I mean that
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sort of I think sort of captures exactly why we
were zero for two for very different reasons, but nevertheless,
oh for two over the weekend. I think there's any
way to get around that. Let's get on stay on schedule,
and prepare for a visit with Vikings wide receiver Adam Thielen.
And as I mentioned, Johnny athletic. Before we're done, he'll
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be at four oh two liber regular time for him
for forty seven and then bonus Louis to celebrate another
day another shutout. So I literally that's all we do
at this point. So I figured I'd give you a
little bit of relief from the Twin savagery and we'll
get some Louis hockey conversation at fire. All right, we
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are indeed back Vikings wide receiver Adam Thield kind of
enough to join us now via the Connectico Water Systems hotline.
I don't know some some weeks, I don't even know
where to begin, Adam and and I'm we were talking
earlier in the in the in the program about the
current condition of the quarterback and the offense, and and
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and so forth. You've been around, like I said before,
a lot of years. You've seen function, You've seen great function,
You've seen dysfunction as well.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
What do you see right now? Or how does.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
The team that has to have, you know, keep going
forward and keep playing. How do you get to a
place where you're not just mouthing the same things over again?
Because at some point you got to see some stuff
on the field, right, even you guys have to see
some signs of progress, And it didn't look like there
were many signs of that in Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, I feel like we're in one of those moments
right now where the momentum kind of everything right now
is just kind of stacked against us. Right. We feel
like you're kind of in this hole and you're trying
to dig out, and you're digging it deeper, right, And
so it's it's not easy. It's it's it's tough. Everyone
is frustrated with maybe individually their play or as an
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offense or team, and everyone has just kind of got
that kind of feeling that it's like, man, like, this
isn't where we thought we would be at this point
in the season, right. You put all the time in
the working and and there's just so much time that
you spend together as a team that you just have
high expectations for what you have and no one expected
us to be where we are. But at the end
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of the day, you got to stay in the fight,
you know, And and I think natural instincts take you
to want to, you know, back down or pull out
and and give up, right, But like the real men
and the real leaders and the and the and the
teams that are built the right way, they stay in
the fight. You just keep showing up, You keep putting
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it all in there. And it doesn't mean it's always
gonna look pretty, but but eventually it'll it'll it'll break
through when when you treat the game the right way
and you do things the right way, eventually it will
come come back to you. So that's kind of our
that's kind of our mindset, and we got the right
guys in the locker room. There's there's the right leadership
in there and and throughout the building that that can
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withstand a really tough time. And we're in a tough
time right now. But we get six more weeks to
every week, every day prove who you are as an individual,
who you are as an offense, and who is a team,
and we'll see what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So, you know, you were asked, I think you talked
about this, not so much with us, but with the
with the the general media, Minnesota media, regarding your own
experience in Carolina, right with Bryce Young, who obviously seems
to be in a much much better of more than
seems he isn't a much better place than he was
because there were times, it's certainly from afar, that looked hopeless.
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So is there in your experience, in your opinion, is
there ever something constructive about sitting a young quarterback for
a while, for a week or two, or maybe even longer,
depending on the circumstance, depending on the situation, to say,
this isn't us giving up on you, but this is
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us saying you need to break mentally and physically, because
we don't want you to end up being traumatized by
all this stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And so let's have you sit watch a.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Little bit, and then we'll kind of regroup and reconvene
somewhere down the road.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Could do you think that might be helpful here?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know, I think every situation is different, right, every situation,
as far as team, the the individual, the offense, where
you're at in the season, right as far as playoff
contention or not playoff conditions. Like, there's so many factors
that lead into those decisions. And at the end of
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the day, Thank the Lord, I'm not I'm not in
the position to have to make those decisions, but I
will say this, you know, I think I think what
I saw just from experience wise being around a few
different young quarterbacks, you know, a guy like Teddy or
or a guy like Bryce and and just some of
those guys, is whether it was sitting or whether it
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was or it was just playing through some moments. I
think I think both of those moments have shaped who
you know. I look at Bryce Young for instance, like
he played through some really tough moments. You know, we
had very few wins, you know, everyone was talking bad
about him, writing them off. You know, his first year
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in the NFL, going through some crazy stuff with the
coaching staff and firings and new play callers and different
offense changes throughout the season, Like there was a lot
of mess. And I think when you just stay in
the fight, like I talked about earlier, you stay in
the fight. I think those stuff, that stuff pays dividends
in the long run. And I'm not saying that there's
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a there's not benefits to both of those things, but
there is. There is benefits to both of those things.
And I've seen them firsthand. And I think if you
asked Bryce right today and said, you know, would you
change those circumstances, he'd probably say no because I think
I think it's really helped him and shaped him and
now he has those experiences to look back on. So
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a long winded answer, but I think I think, you know,
you just keep fighting, You keep staying in the fight.
You give those guys opportunities to prove who they are
and what they can be for that team.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Did you guys know, have any idea after the game
that he might be dealing with some concussion. Look, at
least you know he's now in the protocol as the
head coach, as your head coach confirmed today, Did you
guys have any idea after the game that it might
be headed this way?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
No, not not not after the game, but uh, I
think maybe on the on the airplane, you know, he
was expressing some discomfort. But uh, but yeah, obviously, Uh,
we we have so much respect for him who he
is as a person, who is as a player, and
just his fight and you know he's gonna lay it
on the line every single every single game, every single practice,
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and and you know, those are the guys you want
to stand behind and and play for play with, right,
The guys that are just they're built different, right, Like
they they want to be in the fight. You know,
they're not going to pull out and and and you know,
take themselves out of a game and things like that.
But yeah, we're we're definitely in his corner for his
safety and we we want him out there and and
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and obviously want him to be fully healthy too.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
What is your refresh my memory on your concussion history?
Have you had to deal with this a little bit
a lot and in between what's your own history when
it comes to concussion concussion protocol.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, I've been in. I've been in the protocol, I
believe one time. Oh okay, only ones and uh yeah,
and so yeah, just kind of one of those things
where it's a little bit of a process and everybody
is so different depending on you know, how how the
body reacts, how the mind, how the brain kind of
bounces back, shakes back, and and yeah, just everyone's so different,
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so it'll be it's it's one of those things where
you obviously cared more about the person than the player
in this moment, and you just want them to feel
good and and feel healthy and then and then see.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
What happens the you know, well, you know, the league
has obviously evolved a great deal from my formative years
growing up watching football, where it was the old you know,
the you got his belt wrung and we'll we'll ask
you how many we're gonna hold up a few fingers
and if you answer correctly, get back out there. I mean,
we we've come a long way obviously since since then,
which I I think I would assume you would believe
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is all to the good right to protect players.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, yeah, come a long way in that area, which
is obviously great. Just to kind of diagnose and see
where you're at from a mental standpoint. And then I
also feel like, oh, I know that they've come a
long ways also with how to how to deal with
them and how to recover the brain as fast as possible.
And there's some really cool things that they're doing nowadays
to kind of really help kind of speed up that
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process and not only just speed it up, but help
the over the long term, you know, health of the brain.
And so yeah, that's that's definitely obviously great for the
players and player safety and and just for helping guys
get out there and being at full strength.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Is there such a thing I don't want to turn
this into into concussion Central, but I'm kind of interested
in some of the details here because I see, In fact,
I think your center had one of those whatever they
call those concussion hats on top. But somebody told me
that there is such a thing as one, a different one,
a style of one that you can actually wear under
the helmet.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Do you know much about the protocol or what the
options are for players trying to protect themselves.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I don't know about the one underneath. I know
there's like the little neck thing that guys where that's
got some science behind it as far as preventing concussions maybe.
And then and then obviously the one on top that
you see a few guys wear in the league. That
kind of helps with, you know, eliminating some of the
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chances of getting a concussion. So yeah, I think there's
some things out there that the league is willing to
let you try, which in the past they didn't, which
which is good. And I think you know, guys are
starting to kind of take that seriously and using those
resources to help them kind of deal with it, maybe
coming back or preventing in the first place.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Adam Feeling is with us here on the fan. John
Krasinski will join at the top of the hour. You're
pretty good about as a wide receiver of observing and
analyzing quarterbacks that you you know, spend time around, because
it's obviously a pretty important I mean, wide receivers kind
of depend on on what you know the quarterback capable
of doing what are And you've given us your impressions
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from the beginning and the time you spent the last
couple of seasons with with JJ. Give me your impressions
what you have learned about Max Brosmer. You know, given
there certainly is at least a possibility that he could
be the guy for you guys in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, I think it's a guy that you know, is
a true pro. Even though he's he's a rookie, he's
a he's a true pro. The way that he handles
his business, the way that he handles every single day,
and taking full advantage of of reps, whether it be
and uh, you know, behind the walk you're not in
the you know, the first team quarterback gets all the
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reps and the walkthrough and all the reps in practice,
and for him to kind of take advantage of those
reps behind the actual play. He's one of those guys
that just he's a true pro. And then just you know,
been able to spend a lot of time with him
outside of practice just to kind of, you know, make
make sure I'm staying fresh and ready and and getting
some different throws and things like that on the side.
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And he's just a guy that that you know, it
means a lot to him. And and he's got a
lot of skill. Obviously to be an undrafted guy and
to make and to make a team, you got to
show maybe even a little bit more than than the normal,
you know, drafted guy, just because there's no tie to you,
and so for them to cut somebody or trade someone
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to kind of keep you, you obviously are showing something
a little bit more than the kind of normal, normal guy. So, yeah,
I think he's got a lot of skill. Uh, he's
a great teammate and and I think he has a
really good command of of the huddle and things like that.
But yeah, it's a it's a sport that you need
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reps and and you need opportunity and and I'm sure
he'll get a lot of reps this week with the
with the concussion protocol and and then see what happens.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know, he's a I think he's twenty four and
a half years old. And I know that's not everything,
but I wonder sometimes if that might help. Uh a QB,
you know, is as difficult as all this stuff is
to process, as much more challenging as it is at
this level than the college level. Uh. You know, he
he was in college for a while. He took advantage
of the opportunities to stay a little bit extra. I
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would assume that that might not hurt either, correct.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, I think he's got a he's got a maturity
to him that you kind of feel, uh when you're
around him. Just his ability to kind of you know,
lead a little bit with a little bit beyond his years,
I guess you could say. And and uh, yeah, I
think I think experience in college football, even even though
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maybe it was it's not the NFL, but you know,
a lot of years of competition and playing a high level,
and and just the more you kind of see an
experience you have, I think can always can always help you,
uh definitely can't hurt you. So yeah, I think there's
a little bit of that.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
The it looked like the approach and and Kose talked
about this after the game a little bit more today,
but more after the game was you know, all right,
we're going to run more than we maybe have in
the past the old We're gonna try to, you know,
gain some traction there. You talked us as recent as
last week about just needing more plays. You know, a
lot of times this year, you guys just haven't been
out there long enough to develop whatever you wanted to do.
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And it looked like you guys have the running game
going pretty good, don't you think.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, definitely. I think there was a time there, maybe
it was in the second quarter, that it was like
a few three, four or five runs in a row
that we're generating a couple explosives and then obviously first
downs and just giving that opportunity to just have more plays,
to have opportunity for explosive whether it be in the
run game or in the past game. And yeah, so
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I think that that's obviously a positive. I think that's
something that we can lean on. And then we got
to find a way that when we get in those
situations where we can't necessarily run the ball because we're
we're not a lot of time left and and we're
down by a couple scores or maybe it's just a
one score, you know, we have to make sure that
we're finding ways to move the ball that way too,
and using the run game to our advantage, get him out,
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getting him out of shell coverage right by running the
running the ball well. And I think that's something that
we got to continue to lean on.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Your favorite, your best happiest Seattle moment in Seattle, and
maybe you're more nightmarish or one that there is one
that stands out to say, Oh my god, I don't
like thinking about that any any any come to mind.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know, playing a lot
of games there, yes, which is not the easiest thing
because it's a little bit of a different you know,
time zone and a little bit of a flight and
things like that. But yeah, I think was it twenty twenty,
Maybe we went there and there wasn't a whole lot
of fans and we were able to win that game.
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And then you know, there's been some of those games
where where they were really good, had a great defense,
I kind of had things rolling in the run game,
and and that crowd was gets gets pretty loud and
electric and you can barely hear yourself think. So I
looked at some of those games, You're like, man, I
don't know, this is gonna be a tough one and
makes it really difficult on the offense. So but yeah,
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I think of those games that you can go in
there and win, it's kind of like Lambell, right, Like
it's the worst place to lose. It's just it's just
not a fun place to lose a football game. But
it's also one of the best places to win a game.
And I feel like that's very similar in Seattle, Like
when you can go in there and with that fan
base and and how much they care and and how
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loud they are, and you can kind of quiet the
fans and and you can go in there and win.
It's there's just something a little extra special in that,
in that win. So I kind of look at those
wins as being being really cool to look back on.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
How was the experience for your family in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
And Lambea, Oh it was great. Yeah, they really enjoyed
it the first time for my boys being there and
and uh yeah, I mean what a special place. Obviously
again not not a fun place to lose. You know
that that crowd cares a lot. But yeah, they they
definitely had a great experience and and thankful for that experience.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Thanks as always for the time, Adam. We'll chat next week.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Appreciate it all right, Thanks Adam Feeling Vikings wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
What can you say?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
At some point this was sort of the message I
think out of the locker room last night. You know,
the jackals go to Jay the jackals. I know how
jackals operate. Believe me, I was one. I kind of
still am one, but in a different role. And so
every week the bit is we're going to the We're
going to justin Jefferson's locker wondering if this is the
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week he blows? Is this the week he no longer
can hold it together? And goes Chris Carter and or
Randy Moss on the bit, that's basically what it is,
and JJ held up again. But in his words you
could tell he's like what I'm saying, the same thing
over and over again. You know, be patient, got to
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wait it out the whole bit. But trust me, it
starts having a cumulative effect. No matter what players say publicly,
it has to.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
That's human nature.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
That they feel like they've got we got to have
a chance. We've got to have somebody out there that
kind of gives us a chance. And it's the catch
twenty two of this, the condition of the quarterback position
for this team, because again, you invest you draft a
player that high, you invest in him, you present him
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as the answer.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
That's how you present him.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
That's the way the game almost has to be played
a little bit when you make a selection that high
and then you say, well, he's not as ready as
we thought, but how's he going to get ready? Well,
we got to play him we got to suffer the
slings and arrows because we can point to a number
of other quarterbacks who struggled early and then look at
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the way they came out the other side. But then
I think there's also a point of diminishing return where
you go, well, is this sustainable? And am I losing
the rest of the team? Are are we losing the
rest of the team in the interim? No matter what
they publicly say, do we start running that risk where
they go, wait a minute, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
We're kind of spinning our wheels here.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's that's what makes this so fascinating but also so
complicated and so difficult as well. It's that sort of
combo platter, I do think. And here's what's also compelling
to me, Blake more about your club, and this might
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be very telling in terms of why your coach took
the approach he did. Because on the TV broadcast Play
with a Color analyst Guy a couple times said, Eh,
this game could be over over they're playing really, Packers
are really playing conservative. I mean all they're doing on
this drive is running. And my gut tells me that
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it was the ultimate insult to the Vikings offense that
your head coach said if we kick, if we keep
kicking field goals, the game's over.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Much as I'd rather go in for touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
If we just keep kicking field goals and not not
risking anything in terms of I and T, they're not
gonna be able to do anything about it. Against so
many other offenses. I think you today might be lamenting
that conservative approach that it and that eventually it might
have cost the Packers because they have to kept setting,
they had to keep selling for field goals. But in
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this game, I don't think there was any reason to
believe that the especially as we got well into the
second half. What the Vikings were in negative territory until
that last meaningless drive, right, I mean the they at
one point I think it was like minus twenty two.
It got a little bit better than that. So were
you at all concerned or you say, no, keep running it.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I'm not worried.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Just keep kicking the field goals, because if we get
it to three scores on the basis of like three
straight field goals, we'll win the game.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I mean, I think there's three parts of that.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
I think part one is what you're saying that they
were confident the d defense to go out there and
make stops and Micah, no matter who he was lined
up against, is going to get unbelievable. So I think
it's a little bit of that. I think there's also
an element of Jordan Love having an ac joint sprain
in his left shoulder to where he's handing it off
with the wrong hand, you know, with his off hand,
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because he doesn't want to use his left shoulder. Yes,
so you don't want to drop him back thirty forty
times and risk him getting hurt even further, especially going
to the litter box on Thursday. And I think the
other thing was that the run was working. Why stop
running the ball? Matt Lafleur's job is not to make
me happy, and we have Jordan Love go out there
and throw four touchdowns the shops and win football games.
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If the run's working and Emmanuel Wilson's running for days,
why stop?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Let's get a quick talking point.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
In the first one on the list, I very affectionately
caught the the.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
TJ Tush push Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (42:53):
Third and one McCarthy is out of the shot film,
but it's going to be a direct snap to TJ
Howkinson who is hit at the line of scrimmage, and
I believe it was Howkinson. Whomever it was, he did
not get the first down. Yeah, TJ went under center
and he took the snap, but there was no tush push,
nobody to push Hawkinson, and that piece of trickery net
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it nothing.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
He's right, it's right.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
That was the third down play, and then on the
fourth down they tried it so that I was at
I think it was Mason, and that also got stopped.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I guess I somebody looked it up. I think TJ.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Hockinson has run the ball in that in anything like
that once in his whole career. He looked way too upright.
He's too big, he's too tall. So I have no idea. Again,
I don't have it at the top of my list
for why the uh the Vikings lost the game. But
it made absolutely no sense to me. If I don't
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think we should we should use the tush push at
all because we just don't have good success with it.
I'd rather hand the ball off twice and and hope
that one of those two times your running back is
going to be able to make a play. But that
looked awful from the beginning. It didn't look like he
even understood what to do or where to go. And
as Pia said, no one was pushing, which is also
a little bit strange.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
The idea is you think wasn't supposed to be pushing.
It's not much of a time. He's awful big maybe
that's why, but I mean he was did you did
you remember that play?
Speaker 3 (44:22):
He was too upright, he was up too high, and
he was looking around like where do I go? That
did not look I don't know how much we practiced it,
but it did not look very good in execution.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
I think the idea is it's supposed to be the
ele on a surprise that the oh he's motioning, Oh wait, no,
he's under center.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
But it just didn't really have that. All right, let's
make this the top of the hour. Pause John Athletic.
We'll get his reaction to Vikings Packers, the possibility, probably likelihood,
that Brozemer is the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Where do the Vikings go from here?
Speaker 1 (44:50):
On?
Speaker 3 (44:50):
JJ McCarthy. Is the era over before it is almost begun?
Or is that a bit premature? We'll get it, get
to a Wolve's meltdown. From last Friday. That was one
for the ages, even for a team that's had some
remarkable meltdowns over the decades. And who knows what else
that's coming up right around the corner.
Buss your base, body Balance, Brosmer.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
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in the Twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul. I
am the host of the program. My name is Dan Barero.
Brett Blakemore is in for Guardsy again today. Who is
I believe in the Bahamas tracking the Golden Golfer women's
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basketball team participating in whatever the Bahamas tournament is this
time of year. So Guardsy is out today. Guards He
is also I Believe out tomorrow, and we have nevertheless
a powerpack broadcast for you today that includes some bonus Louis.
Louis could not go tomorrow, so we're squeezing him in today.
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He's going to join us probably about five thirty. I'm
renegotiating with Johnny Athletic as I screwed up the time.
Originally it said five oh two on him forgetting the
Liebers four forty seven, So being the accommodating sort that
Johnny is he is going to join now at four
oh two, right after Adam feeling. So that's the plan,
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and that means you're back on the hook for a
top five and five, which is I know all you
care about. I could tell I saw the look on
your face, like, oh God, I'm going to do it.
There should be more than enough on the basis of
a very busy weekend to fulfill the top five at five.
Vikings talking points will be a part of the equation
today as well. I've not gotten to hear a lot
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of the station today. I'm assuming there's been a lot
of fear and loathing expressed.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I know there was.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I did hear a decent amount of Vikings why line
yesterday and it got pretty ugly. Then the question on
the table is the obvious one. And by the way, there,
I think I'm told we're I was warned that we're
like redoing how we sign in the bratch on Brian
Cafe in text line, and already what I was told
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was going to happen isn't happening in terms of my
ability to reset. So bear with me on that. I
hope sometime between now and six thirty, we'll get that
figured out. But it's it's, it's it was. It's not
going the way I had been told it was going
to go. So we'll see if we can figure the
whole thing out before six thirty.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
In the meantime, you can still vent.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I'm just not as certain that i'll be I'm gonna
be able to get to exactly what you have to offer.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I don't know where to begin.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I think what's interesting about today's development is my gut
tells me that heads perked up, perhaps aps more than
they should on the basis of the door being opened
to JJ McCarthy not participating in the Seahawks game and
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Max Brosmer being the starting quarterback for the Vikings. I
believe this season is unsavable the season, But if you
live in a week, regardless of how good Brozmer plays,
if indeed he does play, I think this season is
effectively over for the Vikings from a playoffs standpoint.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
But the world of.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Tracking your favorite National Football League team is there's almost
two layers to it. There's the there's the larger view,
which is about making, you know, getting into playoffs and
making runs. But there's another view, and that is I
just want a couple natural highs on Sunday. Give me
something I can grab onto that might make me feel
a little better in the wake of another terrible road
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performance by the Viking and an even worst performance. Obviously
if from the quarterback, you know JJ McCarthy, so just
you're gonna grab onto whatever you can, that says, oh,
maybe there is a reason for me to pay attention,
or maybe there is a reason for me to to
uh actually watch a decent amount of the game in
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Seattle next Sunday against the Seahawks. That's my My sense
of it is the just this, even if you know
deep down, well, what can we really do to salvage it.
I just want a week where I see some competence
at the position, see something different, a flash where I go,
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wait a minute, now, maybe we do have a young quarterback,
it's just not the one who is highly tootored.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
That's I think that's the way the.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Mind of your average fan in this case Vikings fan works,
and I can understand that to a certain degree. I
really can. It's human nature to just give me something,
throw me a lifeline, and I won't give myself into
thinking that means we can turn around this whole season.
But I got to see something different, and I know
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that the head coach today, in revealing the concussion protocol
status of JJ McCarthy, insisted that no decisions have yet
been made. McCarthy's been in meetings, etc. I'm not here
to tell you that I think it's a slam dunk
that Brozmer plays, but I now believe, I really do
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believe that regardless of the condition of the team, it
would be in the best interests, the best interest I
should say, well, maybe interest if you want to include
the entire organization, but best interest in terms of JJ
McCarthy for him to not play this week, whether he
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is cleared from concussion protocol or not. And that's not
me saying, well, wait a minute, what's the point of
this season, don't you if the discussion is he's not
had enough reps, as ugly as it is, as painful
as it is, don't you have to keep throwing him
out there and trying to find out You're trying to
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find out can he swim? At some point? Can he
learn to swim? Because otherwise, what's the point of even
drafting him in the first place. We're going to give
up on him this easily. But I do believe in
something called what's the term for it. I guess it
would be just the concern about the mental state of
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a struggling player, a struggling young player.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Who has been led to believe this is his.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Job and the world is his oyster, and there's no
reason he can't hit the ground running that you may
you run the risk at this point, after that most
recent monstrosity of a game in Green Bay, of losing
the player forever. I believe in that. I believe in
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that concept, and so I think it would be in
the bed now.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It may be people.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Are gonna they're going to offer their own conspiracy theories
on whether this was a made up injury. I get that.
I understand the suspicion part of it has been bred
by what happened the last time he was sidelined. You remember,
there was nothing after the game about the injury, and
that didn't mean ultimately the injury was made up, but
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it did make it seem as if they didn't mind
it then, or they were going to kind of almost
encourage the possibility that he's hurt and we're going to
sit so you can say, to a certain extent, maybe
they were worried about his mental health then, and we're
kind of glad that he wasn't available. But I would say,
after this last, this game in Green Bay, I've been
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watching football a long time. I got to tell you,
boys and girls, I don't know that I've ever seen
a quarterback as ill equipped to play at this level
right now as JJ McCarthy is right now. So I
honestly believe that, as dangerous as it is, I know you,
oh yeah, if you sit him, well, then what isn't
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that going to hurt him even more?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Is that you're saying we've already given.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Up on him. You can, you don't have You don't
have to present it that way. You can present it
as we're gonna sit down and go over some stuff
that we think JJ needs to go over and we
need to go over with him. We're gonna give him
a break, we're gonna have him a little time off.
Doesn't mean I don't believe that you can't go back
to him at some point, or that you're utterly and
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completely done with him. But in fairness to everybody else
on your team, I just don't think you can play
him with a straight.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Face right now, not this week.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And the bad news for Brozemer is that's a tough
opening act anyway. You're going to a tough place to
play Seattle, a good team on the road, etc. But
I felt I've said this before and this is going
to be the cruel part. It may well be that
right now Max Brosmer is better prepared to do the
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basic mechanics that we associate with professional quarterbacking play. He's older,
His game is less about his athleticism. He's a quick
decision maker guy. That's how he had the success to
the degree he did at the University of Minnesota. Now
that doesn't ultimately mean that he's going to be the
best option in two or three years, because this whole
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game is about what it's just about now. It's about
quote unquote cliched upside, and that's where things could get funky.
Brozemer plays reasonably well and somehow the Vikings win.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Then have you fallen?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Have you?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Have you basically forced yourselves into a trap, whether you
have to continue to play him, whether you and your
heart of hearts as a head coach, as a quarterback.
Whisperer believes that long term, he has a Max Brozemer
has the best chance to becoming a franchise quarterback. That's
what's funky about this whole situation. But I just don't
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think in the short run. I mean, there's limits to
to me, you know, I said the last time Carson
Wentz played that the coach should have put him out
of his misery.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Inexcusable that he continued to play, regardless of whether he
could have been any more injured than he already was.
I'll say I'm pretty close to that same allegation here.
If the starting quarterback JJ McCarthy play, it starts again.
I mean, there's a responsibility that I think in this
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case a head coach has. A coach has to protect
his quarterback, not just in the case of Carson Wentz
on the physical side, but in the case of JJ
McCarthy on the mental side. There's something almost abusive about
that right now in the basis of what we've we're seeing.
I mean, we've gone through the numbers before. I'll give
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you some more today if it matters to you, but
you've read them. I'm sure heard of all the analytics
all day. They're historic even by rookie I should say
rookie first year. In terms of actual starts, first five
six seven starts, his numbers even by that standard are historic.
They're almost unprecedented. And in one of the analytics, I
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think he's only ahead of since two thousand, like JaMarcus Russ,
and the list is almost as bad on a couple
of other analytics.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So my advice would be.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
You sit him, not because you think it's over and
there's no chance he's irredeemable, but because in the short run,
I'm not sure that there's anything out there he's showing
you that indicates he's going to end up anything. But
despite his image and how you know, he's ready for everything,
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and he's shaking hands all the time, he's got the
EyeBlack going, and he's in it, and he's tough and
it's just a matter of the cork off the bottle,
all that stuff. Yeah, I think you really you run
the risk of forget the head trauma he might have
from the concussion, I just think the trauma emotionally for
continuing to play, no matter what his reputation is, no
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matter what teammates say about him, whatever, If you keep
throwing him out there at this point, I think it's cruel,
not for us, not for fans to watch, I think
it's crul for him. So we'll see how it goes
as the week goes on and they have their out again.
That's the beauty of this situation is they have their out.
Whether you want to believe it or not, they're out.
Can be concussion protocol. We've got to play this thing out.
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He's discussed some symptoms and we're big believers. I heard
Koc say that today. I'm the fan, big believers in
the following the protocol. There's no pressure, no argument from
here from us, et cetera. So to a certain extent, again,
you don't even have to say out loud what I'm
saying regarding saving JJ McCarthy from himself. You can just say,
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we got to let this thing play out. And as
the week goes on, it's becoming clear that he's not
gonna be able to go full So we're gonna go
ahead in fairness to this team, and we're gonna we're
gonna go with the guy who will be able to
practice and is healthy from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
That's sort of I think the where.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
We're at at this particular moment. All right, let's we
doing doing bonus Bucks this week? We're not bonus bucks
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tweet me Dan burrero Kfan if that's the better way
for you to get whatever your point is across. And
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for the Brozmer Brownstone folks, it is the great central
irony that this is the day or a day when
the Brozemer possibility is open wide and the number one
Brozmer fan in the universe is nowhere near this studio.
He noted that irony as well. And I think it's
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rare when a person who's hanging in the Bahamas is
suffering for more fomo than those of us who are
up here preparing for twenty five degree weather. It's suppostly
the other way around, where we have fomo for where
he is right now. I think Guardie's got fomo that
he's not up here celebrating the possibility. Finally, the door
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opening to a Brozemers start for the Minnesota Vikings.
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Speaker 2 (15:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Look, I'm well aware that there were a number of
other dysfunctional aspects to the Vikings performance. They go beyond
the quarterback. Some of those will be covered in Vikings
talking points today. Adam Feelin is going to join us,
as I said at the bottom of this hour. But
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I'll also tell you that one particular issue is on
its own plateau, and to a large extent, it's affecting
everything else that this team is able to do from
an offensive standpoint, and quite frankly, it can end up
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having effects elsewhere on the team. I'm not saying it's
JJ McCarthy's fault that we had to screw up on
the putt return, but again you have to this is
not an indictment of the pick. This is not an
indictment which I endorsed. It's not a rejection of the
notion that JJ McCarthy can ever amount to anything. This
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is just living in the present and analyzing what the
analytics say and what your eyes tell you.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
This is not sustainable.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
You have almost zero chance to win football games with
this level of incompetence at the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's just everything.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
It's too important a position to not be able to
understand that. And I think I'm hoping that mc bobo's,
who've always been defensive, can accept that now at some
point they can't keep turning their heads away.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I don't think for what we're seeing. I mean, we
finally saw.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
This was the week that we saw the head coach
become Mike Zimmer in terms of conservative play calling. I mean,
he couldn't have been any clearer in the approach he took,
favoring the running game, which was at times very good,
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short passing game, Let's just keep it close and then
we might have something. And you know what, boys and girls,
without the muff punt, Who's this wasn't really a muff punt,
but of the fumble off the foot, who's to say
that the Vikings might have been able to hang in
there and at least make it a game that didn't
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look quite as lopsided as it ended up being. Now
long term, is it a way? Is it sustainable for
an offensive approach? No, it's certainly not. But you're living
again in the present and all you're trying to do
is get a little something going to help you try
to maybe get to the next bridge, where at that
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point you add another little piece, or you add something
that's a little bit more daring, or something that might
be a little bit more difficult.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
But come on, it's We can talk.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
About drop passes, we can talk about the line not
being as good as it's supposed to be with finally
all the starters together. We can talk about the defensive
front giving up too many rushing yardage, too much from
the rushing standpoint to a running back that most of
us had not even heard of.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
You had Brett Blake Moore. But that's about it.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
But there's there's the The importance of the quarterback is
already clear. But then there's I think the intangible aspect
of what having no chance at that position invariably can do,
I believe to the rest of the club, and I
don't expect Adam Thielen will acknowledge that or admit it.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't expect anybody to admit it. Who was it? Was?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Martellis basically made it sound like he's been great. That's
about as believable as PJ. Fleck saying we really get
I don't care what anybody says. We still got a
really good football team. You can say it. And it's
your team, and and and if you're a teammate, you're
trying to stand tall for your player. But come on, man,
I mean we're watching this stuff these games, aren't you know,
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you know, in a closed room where no one can
see them. We can all see what's going on. So
that's not very believable. In fact, do me a favor.
Will you look up time of possession? What was the
breakdown on time of possession for Vikings Packers? How much gloating,
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by the way, have you been doing? I might add
quite a lot, not on these airwaves.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Not yet.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
You haven't. Well you will, you'll get to get time.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Let's see here the Packers thirty seven minutes, fifteen seconds,
Vikings twenty two minutes, forty five.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Twenty two minutes, twenty two minutes. Is that is that hurtful?
That that that sort of disparity is kind of difficult
to shall we say overcome?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Is it not? Thirty seven to twenty two? That's tough?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
It follows it dovetails perfectly. Gophers Northwestern Northwestern forty one minutes,
Golphers nineteen now go for offense at times did obviously
show a pulse, but those times of possession disparities for
both of our favorite football teams embarrassing. I mean that
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sort of I think sort of captures exactly why we
were zero for two for very different reasons, but nevertheless,
oh for two over the weekend. I think there's any
way to get around that. Let's get on stay on schedule,
and prepare for a visit with Vikings wide receiver Adam Thielen.
And as I mentioned, Johnny athletic. Before we're done, he'll
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be at four oh two liber regular time for him
for forty seven and then bonus Louis to celebrate another
day another shutout. So I literally that's all we do
at this point. So I figured I'd give you a
little bit of relief from the Twin savagery and we'll
get some Louis hockey conversation at fire. All right, we
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are indeed back Vikings wide receiver Adam Thield kind of
enough to join us now via the Connectico Water Systems hotline.
I don't know some some weeks, I don't even know
where to begin, Adam and and I'm we were talking
earlier in the in the in the program about the
current condition of the quarterback and the offense, and and
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and so forth. You've been around, like I said before,
a lot of years. You've seen function, You've seen great function,
You've seen dysfunction as well.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
What do you see right now? Or how does.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
The team that has to have, you know, keep going
forward and keep playing. How do you get to a
place where you're not just mouthing the same things over again?
Because at some point you got to see some stuff
on the field, right, even you guys have to see
some signs of progress, And it didn't look like there
were many signs of that in Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, I feel like we're in one of those moments
right now where the momentum kind of everything right now
is just kind of stacked against us. Right. We feel
like you're kind of in this hole and you're trying
to dig out, and you're digging it deeper, right, And
so it's it's not easy. It's it's it's tough. Everyone
is frustrated with maybe individually their play or as an
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offense or team, and everyone has just kind of got
that kind of feeling that it's like, man, like, this
isn't where we thought we would be at this point
in the season, right. You put all the time in
the working and and there's just so much time that
you spend together as a team that you just have
high expectations for what you have and no one expected
us to be where we are. But at the end
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of the day, you got to stay in the fight,
you know, And and I think natural instincts take you
to want to, you know, back down or pull out
and and give up, right, But like the real men
and the real leaders and the and the and the
teams that are built the right way, they stay in
the fight. You just keep showing up, You keep putting
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it all in there. And it doesn't mean it's always
gonna look pretty, but but eventually it'll it'll it'll break
through when when you treat the game the right way
and you do things the right way, eventually it will
come come back to you. So that's kind of our
that's kind of our mindset, and we got the right
guys in the locker room. There's there's the right leadership
in there and and throughout the building that that can
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withstand a really tough time. And we're in a tough
time right now. But we get six more weeks to
every week, every day prove who you are as an individual,
who you are as an offense, and who is a team,
and we'll see what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So, you know, you were asked, I think you talked
about this, not so much with us, but with the
with the the general media, Minnesota media, regarding your own
experience in Carolina, right with Bryce Young, who obviously seems
to be in a much much better of more than
seems he isn't a much better place than he was
because there were times, it's certainly from afar, that looked hopeless.
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So is there in your experience, in your opinion, is
there ever something constructive about sitting a young quarterback for
a while, for a week or two, or maybe even longer,
depending on the circumstance, depending on the situation, to say,
this isn't us giving up on you, but this is
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us saying you need to break mentally and physically, because
we don't want you to end up being traumatized by
all this stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And so let's have you sit watch a.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Little bit, and then we'll kind of regroup and reconvene
somewhere down the road.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Could do you think that might be helpful here?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know, I think every situation is different, right, every situation,
as far as team, the the individual, the offense, where
you're at in the season, right as far as playoff
contention or not playoff conditions. Like, there's so many factors
that lead into those decisions. And at the end of
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the day, Thank the Lord, I'm not I'm not in
the position to have to make those decisions, but I
will say this, you know, I think I think what
I saw just from experience wise being around a few
different young quarterbacks, you know, a guy like Teddy or
or a guy like Bryce and and just some of
those guys, is whether it was sitting or whether it
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was or it was just playing through some moments. I
think I think both of those moments have shaped who
you know. I look at Bryce Young for instance, like
he played through some really tough moments. You know, we
had very few wins, you know, everyone was talking bad
about him, writing them off. You know, his first year
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in the NFL, going through some crazy stuff with the
coaching staff and firings and new play callers and different
offense changes throughout the season, Like there was a lot
of mess. And I think when you just stay in
the fight, like I talked about earlier, you stay in
the fight. I think those stuff, that stuff pays dividends
in the long run. And I'm not saying that there's
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a there's not benefits to both of those things, but
there is. There is benefits to both of those things.
And I've seen them firsthand. And I think if you
asked Bryce right today and said, you know, would you
change those circumstances, he'd probably say no because I think
I think it's really helped him and shaped him and
now he has those experiences to look back on. So
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a long winded answer, but I think I think, you know,
you just keep fighting, You keep staying in the fight.
You give those guys opportunities to prove who they are
and what they can be for that team.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Did you guys know, have any idea after the game
that he might be dealing with some concussion. Look, at
least you know he's now in the protocol as the
head coach, as your head coach confirmed today, Did you
guys have any idea after the game that it might
be headed this way?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
No, not not not after the game, but uh, I
think maybe on the on the airplane, you know, he
was expressing some discomfort. But uh, but yeah, obviously, Uh,
we we have so much respect for him who he
is as a person, who is as a player, and
just his fight and you know he's gonna lay it
on the line every single every single game, every single practice,
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and and you know, those are the guys you want
to stand behind and and play for play with, right,
The guys that are just they're built different, right, Like
they they want to be in the fight. You know,
they're not going to pull out and and and you know,
take themselves out of a game and things like that.
But yeah, we're we're definitely in his corner for his
safety and we we want him out there and and
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and obviously want him to be fully healthy too.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
What is your refresh my memory on your concussion history?
Have you had to deal with this a little bit
a lot and in between what's your own history when
it comes to concussion concussion protocol.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, I've been in. I've been in the protocol, I
believe one time. Oh okay, only ones and uh yeah,
and so yeah, just kind of one of those things
where it's a little bit of a process and everybody
is so different depending on you know, how how the
body reacts, how the mind, how the brain kind of
bounces back, shakes back, and and yeah, just everyone's so different,
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so it'll be it's it's one of those things where
you obviously cared more about the person than the player
in this moment, and you just want them to feel
good and and feel healthy and then and then see.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
What happens the you know, well, you know, the league
has obviously evolved a great deal from my formative years
growing up watching football, where it was the old you know,
the you got his belt wrung and we'll we'll ask
you how many we're gonna hold up a few fingers
and if you answer correctly, get back out there. I mean,
we we've come a long way obviously since since then,
which I I think I would assume you would believe
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is all to the good right to protect players.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, yeah, come a long way in that area, which
is obviously great. Just to kind of diagnose and see
where you're at from a mental standpoint. And then I
also feel like, oh, I know that they've come a
long ways also with how to how to deal with
them and how to recover the brain as fast as possible.
And there's some really cool things that they're doing nowadays
to kind of really help kind of speed up that
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process and not only just speed it up, but help
the over the long term, you know, health of the brain.
And so yeah, that's that's definitely obviously great for the
players and player safety and and just for helping guys
get out there and being at full strength.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Is there such a thing I don't want to turn
this into into concussion Central, but I'm kind of interested
in some of the details here because I see, In fact,
I think your center had one of those whatever they
call those concussion hats on top. But somebody told me
that there is such a thing as one, a different one,
a style of one that you can actually wear under
the helmet.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Do you know much about the protocol or what the
options are for players trying to protect themselves.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I don't know about the one underneath. I know
there's like the little neck thing that guys where that's
got some science behind it as far as preventing concussions maybe.
And then and then obviously the one on top that
you see a few guys wear in the league. That
kind of helps with, you know, eliminating some of the
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chances of getting a concussion. So yeah, I think there's
some things out there that the league is willing to
let you try, which in the past they didn't, which
which is good. And I think you know, guys are
starting to kind of take that seriously and using those
resources to help them kind of deal with it, maybe
coming back or preventing in the first place.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Adam Feeling is with us here on the fan. John
Krasinski will join at the top of the hour. You're
pretty good about as a wide receiver of observing and
analyzing quarterbacks that you you know, spend time around, because
it's obviously a pretty important I mean, wide receivers kind
of depend on on what you know the quarterback capable
of doing what are And you've given us your impressions
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from the beginning and the time you spent the last
couple of seasons with with JJ. Give me your impressions
what you have learned about Max Brosmer. You know, given
there certainly is at least a possibility that he could
be the guy for you guys in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, I think it's a guy that you know, is
a true pro. Even though he's he's a rookie, he's
a he's a true pro. The way that he handles
his business, the way that he handles every single day,
and taking full advantage of of reps, whether it be
and uh, you know, behind the walk you're not in
the you know, the first team quarterback gets all the
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reps and the walkthrough and all the reps in practice,
and for him to kind of take advantage of those
reps behind the actual play. He's one of those guys
that just he's a true pro. And then just you know,
been able to spend a lot of time with him
outside of practice just to kind of, you know, make
make sure I'm staying fresh and ready and and getting
some different throws and things like that on the side.
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And he's just a guy that that you know, it
means a lot to him. And and he's got a
lot of skill. Obviously to be an undrafted guy and
to make and to make a team, you got to
show maybe even a little bit more than than the normal,
you know, drafted guy, just because there's no tie to you,
and so for them to cut somebody or trade someone
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to kind of keep you, you obviously are showing something
a little bit more than the kind of normal, normal guy. So, yeah,
I think he's got a lot of skill. Uh, he's
a great teammate and and I think he has a
really good command of of the huddle and things like that.
But yeah, it's a it's a sport that you need
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reps and and you need opportunity and and I'm sure
he'll get a lot of reps this week with the
with the concussion protocol and and then see what happens.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know, he's a I think he's twenty four and
a half years old. And I know that's not everything,
but I wonder sometimes if that might help. Uh a QB,
you know, is as difficult as all this stuff is
to process, as much more challenging as it is at
this level than the college level. Uh. You know, he
he was in college for a while. He took advantage
of the opportunities to stay a little bit extra. I
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would assume that that might not hurt either, correct.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, I think he's got a he's got a maturity
to him that you kind of feel, uh when you're
around him. Just his ability to kind of you know,
lead a little bit with a little bit beyond his years,
I guess you could say. And and uh, yeah, I
think I think experience in college football, even even though
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maybe it was it's not the NFL, but you know,
a lot of years of competition and playing a high level,
and and just the more you kind of see an
experience you have, I think can always can always help you,
uh definitely can't hurt you. So yeah, I think there's
a little bit of that.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
The it looked like the approach and and Kose talked
about this after the game a little bit more today,
but more after the game was you know, all right,
we're going to run more than we maybe have in
the past the old We're gonna try to, you know,
gain some traction there. You talked us as recent as
last week about just needing more plays. You know, a
lot of times this year, you guys just haven't been
out there long enough to develop whatever you wanted to do.
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And it looked like you guys have the running game
going pretty good, don't you think.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, definitely. I think there was a time there, maybe
it was in the second quarter, that it was like
a few three, four or five runs in a row
that we're generating a couple explosives and then obviously first
downs and just giving that opportunity to just have more plays,
to have opportunity for explosive whether it be in the
run game or in the past game. And yeah, so
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I think that that's obviously a positive. I think that's
something that we can lean on. And then we got
to find a way that when we get in those
situations where we can't necessarily run the ball because we're
we're not a lot of time left and and we're
down by a couple scores or maybe it's just a
one score, you know, we have to make sure that
we're finding ways to move the ball that way too,
and using the run game to our advantage, get him out,
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getting him out of shell coverage right by running the
running the ball well. And I think that's something that
we got to continue to lean on.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Your favorite, your best happiest Seattle moment in Seattle, and
maybe you're more nightmarish or one that there is one
that stands out to say, Oh my god, I don't
like thinking about that any any any come to mind.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know, playing a lot
of games there, yes, which is not the easiest thing
because it's a little bit of a different you know,
time zone and a little bit of a flight and
things like that. But yeah, I think was it twenty twenty,
Maybe we went there and there wasn't a whole lot
of fans and we were able to win that game.
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And then you know, there's been some of those games
where where they were really good, had a great defense,
I kind of had things rolling in the run game,
and and that crowd was gets gets pretty loud and
electric and you can barely hear yourself think. So I
looked at some of those games, You're like, man, I
don't know, this is gonna be a tough one and
makes it really difficult on the offense. So but yeah,
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I think of those games that you can go in
there and win, it's kind of like Lambell, right, Like
it's the worst place to lose. It's just it's just
not a fun place to lose a football game. But
it's also one of the best places to win a game.
And I feel like that's very similar in Seattle, Like
when you can go in there and with that fan
base and and how much they care and and how
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loud they are, and you can kind of quiet the
fans and and you can go in there and win.
It's there's just something a little extra special in that,
in that win. So I kind of look at those
wins as being being really cool to look back on.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
How was the experience for your family in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
And Lambea, Oh it was great. Yeah, they really enjoyed
it the first time for my boys being there and
and uh yeah, I mean what a special place. Obviously
again not not a fun place to lose. You know
that that crowd cares a lot. But yeah, they they
definitely had a great experience and and thankful for that experience.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Thanks as always for the time, Adam. We'll chat next week.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Appreciate it all right, Thanks Adam Feeling Vikings wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
What can you say?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
At some point this was sort of the message I
think out of the locker room last night. You know,
the jackals go to Jay the jackals. I know how
jackals operate. Believe me, I was one. I kind of
still am one, but in a different role. And so
every week the bit is we're going to the We're
going to justin Jefferson's locker wondering if this is the
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week he blows? Is this the week he no longer
can hold it together? And goes Chris Carter and or
Randy Moss on the bit, that's basically what it is,
and JJ held up again. But in his words you
could tell he's like what I'm saying, the same thing
over and over again. You know, be patient, got to
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wait it out the whole bit. But trust me, it
starts having a cumulative effect. No matter what players say publicly,
it has to.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
That's human nature.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
That they feel like they've got we got to have
a chance. We've got to have somebody out there that
kind of gives us a chance. And it's the catch
twenty two of this, the condition of the quarterback position
for this team, because again, you invest you draft a
player that high, you invest in him, you present him
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as the answer.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
That's how you present him.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
That's the way the game almost has to be played
a little bit when you make a selection that high
and then you say, well, he's not as ready as
we thought, but how's he going to get ready? Well,
we got to play him we got to suffer the
slings and arrows because we can point to a number
of other quarterbacks who struggled early and then look at
(39:50):
the way they came out the other side. But then
I think there's also a point of diminishing return where
you go, well, is this sustainable? And am I losing
the rest of the team? Are are we losing the
rest of the team in the interim? No matter what
they publicly say, do we start running that risk where
they go, wait a minute, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
We're kind of spinning our wheels here.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's that's what makes this so fascinating but also so
complicated and so difficult as well. It's that sort of
combo platter, I do think. And here's what's also compelling
to me, Blake more about your club, and this might
(40:30):
be very telling in terms of why your coach took
the approach he did. Because on the TV broadcast Play
with a Color analyst Guy a couple times said, Eh,
this game could be over over they're playing really, Packers
are really playing conservative. I mean all they're doing on
this drive is running. And my gut tells me that
(40:56):
it was the ultimate insult to the Vikings offense that
your head coach said if we kick, if we keep
kicking field goals, the game's over.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Much as I'd rather go in for touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
If we just keep kicking field goals and not not
risking anything in terms of I and T, they're not
gonna be able to do anything about it. Against so
many other offenses. I think you today might be lamenting
that conservative approach that it and that eventually it might
have cost the Packers because they have to kept setting,
they had to keep selling for field goals. But in
(41:27):
this game, I don't think there was any reason to
believe that the especially as we got well into the
second half. What the Vikings were in negative territory until
that last meaningless drive, right, I mean the they at
one point I think it was like minus twenty two.
It got a little bit better than that. So were
you at all concerned or you say, no, keep running it.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I'm not worried.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Just keep kicking the field goals, because if we get
it to three scores on the basis of like three
straight field goals, we'll win the game.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I mean, I think there's three parts of that.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
I think part one is what you're saying that they
were confident the d defense to go out there and
make stops and Micah, no matter who he was lined
up against, is going to get unbelievable. So I think
it's a little bit of that. I think there's also
an element of Jordan Love having an ac joint sprain
in his left shoulder to where he's handing it off
with the wrong hand, you know, with his off hand,
(42:17):
because he doesn't want to use his left shoulder. Yes,
so you don't want to drop him back thirty forty
times and risk him getting hurt even further, especially going
to the litter box on Thursday. And I think the
other thing was that the run was working. Why stop
running the ball? Matt Lafleur's job is not to make
me happy, and we have Jordan Love go out there
and throw four touchdowns the shops and win football games.
(42:38):
If the run's working and Emmanuel Wilson's running for days,
why stop?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Let's get a quick talking point.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
In the first one on the list, I very affectionately
caught the the.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
TJ Tush push Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (42:53):
Third and one McCarthy is out of the shot film,
but it's going to be a direct snap to TJ
Howkinson who is hit at the line of scrimmage, and
I believe it was Howkinson. Whomever it was, he did
not get the first down. Yeah, TJ went under center
and he took the snap, but there was no tush push,
nobody to push Hawkinson, and that piece of trickery net
(43:15):
it nothing.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
He's right, it's right.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
That was the third down play, and then on the
fourth down they tried it so that I was at
I think it was Mason, and that also got stopped.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I guess I somebody looked it up. I think TJ.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Hockinson has run the ball in that in anything like
that once in his whole career. He looked way too upright.
He's too big, he's too tall. So I have no idea. Again,
I don't have it at the top of my list
for why the uh the Vikings lost the game. But
it made absolutely no sense to me. If I don't
(43:53):
think we should we should use the tush push at
all because we just don't have good success with it.
I'd rather hand the ball off twice and and hope
that one of those two times your running back is
going to be able to make a play. But that
looked awful from the beginning. It didn't look like he
even understood what to do or where to go. And
as Pia said, no one was pushing, which is also
a little bit strange.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
The idea is you think wasn't supposed to be pushing.
It's not much of a time. He's awful big maybe
that's why, but I mean he was did you did
you remember that play?
Speaker 3 (44:22):
He was too upright, he was up too high, and
he was looking around like where do I go? That
did not look I don't know how much we practiced it,
but it did not look very good in execution.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
I think the idea is it's supposed to be the
ele on a surprise that the oh he's motioning, Oh wait, no,
he's under center.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
But it just didn't really have that. All right, let's
make this the top of the hour. Pause John Athletic.
We'll get his reaction to Vikings Packers, the possibility, probably likelihood,
that Brozemer is the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Where do the Vikings go from here?
Speaker 1 (44:50):
On?
Speaker 3 (44:50):
JJ McCarthy. Is the era over before it is almost begun?
Or is that a bit premature? We'll get it, get
to a Wolve's meltdown. From last Friday. That was one
for the ages, even for a team that's had some
remarkable meltdowns over the decades. And who knows what else
that's coming up right around the corner.
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