October 16, 2025 • 55 mins
Dan is joined by Alec Lewis from The Athletic for the latest on Vikings practice and what his read is on the quarterback situation before Lavelle Neal makes his weekly appearance for Vikings talk as well as Twins managerial search discussion.
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
We're out at six o'clock tonight for Vikings programming Thursday
Night Football on the fan tonight too. It sure is
standing alec Lewis, I'm sure we'll be watching once he
finishes crafting whatever he has to craft Vikings related He
joins us now via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. When
you watch tonight's game, especially when Aaron Rodgers throws two
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more touchdown passes to Metcalf and the Steelers breeze over
the Bengals, are you going to start humming the Harold
Melvin the Blue Notes song, the classic old soul song
the Love We Lost?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Are we going to? Eventually?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Alec Lewis threw the day that the quarterback Whisperer, after
having obviously real conversations with a rog, chose to go
a different route.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, what was the Blue song? You said? I don't
know the last time I've played that. It's probably been
a minute for me in general. But first, a couple
of things come to mind when you ask that question.
The first is, I don't know if I'm gonna watch. Partly,
I mean, I'm a little footballed out and it's kind
of a problem in week seven to be this way
I'm at the I'm gonna be at the feast tomorrow morning.
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The attitude, the attitude shift will happen at some point.
So that's that's the first thing. Second, if Aaron Rodgers
throws two touchdowns against the Bengals, considering what I saw
from the Bengals and the Viking beat them a few
weeks ago, I'm not sure how much I'm gonna make
of it. And then third, to really answer the question,
I mean, it's so fascinating for me to reflect on
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the time to spring when that reporting existed, and I
mean there was a considered amount of pushback from Vikings
fans at the time regarding that reporting and regarding the subject.
And the reason that I was and still am as
confident in that reporting as I was was because going
this route this season was always as bold of a
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bed as it's as it's kind of seeming right now.
So yeah, that's where my mind is. That with that beginning, very.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well said, that's that's what, that's part of what and
that none of that means McCarthy can end up coming
back and being great the whole bit, but it is
part of the bet, and it makes this whole saga
one of the more fascinating to me in recent Vikings
quarterbacks history. And they've had some sagas, that's for sure.
Let me ask you a question we started the show with,
I if I my math has to be checked a lot,
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and it was awful at the start of the show.
But I think I rechecked the calendar. I have this
as day number thirty two since McCarthy was hurt. So
we're coming up now on five weeks pretty soon. Right,
it's clear he's not going to play this week. I
think I will let you handle that as well. But
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are you guys at all getting even a tad suspicious
their spidey senses changing a little bit to say, well,
wait a minute, maybe even given what McCarthy said yesterday,
not one hundred percent the head coach calling it a
unique injury, do we have any worry that this is
lingering longer than even problematic tricky high ankle sprain should.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, I mean, look, I I'm not there. I mean
he it was. It's been interesting. Your mats is correct,
it's thirty two days, I believe. Since that Monday morning
press congreence after the Falcon game where Kevin O'Connell obviously
told us that the high angele spray surface. JJ McCarthy
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said what I had heard last week in that JJ
had multiple opinions on it, and the takeaway was that
it was going to be somewhere from two to six weeks.
It's kind of a long I don't know that's and
you feel like high angele sprains typically it's probably more
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four to six and so yeah, I mean, I just
I'm not there yet. I do think there is definitely
a part of this where while he is still recovering
from this ankle injury, they are trying to attack some
mechanical aspects and his lower body that they believe have
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affected the accuracy of his performance. One of the things
that I've been a little intrigued by that with is
is Kevin O'Connell I believe at least once has said
we want to get him back to how things were
mechanically in training camp. And I mean my takeaway throughout
training camp after training camp was I didn't feel like
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in training camp he was so dialed in that getting
him back to that place means he's all of a sudden,
you know, surgical throwing for three hundred and fifty yards
and not missing passes. So I mean even throughout training camp,
and I wrote this on Monday, like there was a
day in training camp where Kevin O'Connell looked at the
sky and said like, oh, the sky's not falling. And
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to me, I mean that it was an explanation even
at that point of what was pretty obvious just watching
it every day that things were not perfect offensively to
say the least.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
By the way, I don't want to completely leave the
quarterback to subject because there's more to ask, but I
did note your item via X. Now we have to
worry about a Grenard injury? What's this all about?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, I did not expect that at all. I saw
him in the locker room. He was walking okay in
the locker room, But yeah, I did not expect that.
We'll be interesting to hear more about that, probably either
via text whatever tonight or tomorrow. But yeah, I mean
Jyler Gernard. His impact on this defense and this team
is very obvious, I think. And yeah, for him to
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pop up on a week where it's been pretty positive
from an injury perspective, with a lot of players who
are key contributors, returning to see him pop up today
not what you like, but he's played through a lot
this year and in past year. So until I hear
tomorrow that either he's questionable or what have you, I'm
not going crazy over it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's a hammy for him.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I believe it is what they're saying right a hamstring injury,
which can get tricky.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
But we'll see how serious it is. So give me.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
What you're I guess what you know on the basis
of reporting, and what you anticipate on the basis of
having to do some projecting guarding the walking wounded. Which
of the injured players do you think are pretty damned
likely to be returning to the lineup against the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, I should pull up the entire list and just
go one by one, and I'll do that right now.
I mean I'll start near the top. Blake Cashman his
twenty one day window after his hamstring injury was activated
earlier this week. He's been full both days of practice
this week. I would expect Blake Cashman to go. Michael
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Jurgens is back practicing with his hamstring injury. I if
I had a peggy right now, I think Blake Brandell
with what he did at center again in London against Cleveland,
I would I would kind of expect Blake Brandell to
be starting at center. Carson Wentz has been the quarterback
besides Max Roseberg, who has been full, so my expectation
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at this point right now is that he's going to
be the quarterback against his former team. Donovan Jackson was
today with the wrist injury. I know, I mean as
the laundry list, but I wouldn't be surprised if Donovan
Jackson plays this game. I'm less confident about right tackle
Brian O'Neill uh coming back from the the MCL sprain.
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Adrew van Geegle has been limited. That's been very positive
that he's been back on the practice field, but I'm
not sure if one week of being limited is going
to be enough, so I don't feel rosy about him.
And then Christian derisid do expect to be back to
more of a full workload snap count Sunday against the Engles.
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I think that's most of them.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
There's some other while add one to the list.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Who do you believe is likely to be the backup
quarterback on Sunday against the Eagles?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah? For me, my expectation would be Max Roseberg. I mean,
it'd be hard to explain why if Jaj McCarthy was
healthy enough to be one step away that that he
would not be the starter. And so really, uh, the
way I'm looking at this right now, Dan, is I
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expect Carson wentz Uh to play Sunday and start Sunday
against the Eagles. I've said, I've written this, I've said
it on my own podcast. I mean, this non throwing
shoulder injury that he has is not insignificant, and so
I mean I do worry if he is taking hits
from Jalen Carter and Moro Jomo uh In or out
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of the pocket on Sunday. I mean that that is
definitely a concern. And his play style lends itself to
taking hits, So that's one that I would I mean,
you know, Max Roseberg is probably doing as much as
he can to be as ready as possible this week,
and then if Carson plays fairly well, uh, and and
you know, if it's closer, if they win the game,
and my full expectation would be that he would get
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the opportunity again on a short week and then the
lead up to the Lions game. That would be the
conversation then would be the point at which I think
you really drill down on where things are at with
JJ McCarthy mechanically and then help wise as well.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
When is Aaron Jones going to be back?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Great question. His twenty one day window has not been activated.
He was in London with the team, so it was
around the team, but has not participated in practice. I
will say I've kind of seen him a little bit
on the side, which is usually a sign that it's
getting closer. But I mean for me, it's probably like
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the short week is not going to cut it either,
probably for him. So the Lions week is probably where
I just start to really ask that question as well
for him.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Logically speaking.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
We're chatting with Alex Lewis from the athletic levelle in
about a half hour.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The Eagles are struggling offensively.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
That starts with Barkley, obviously, who was All World a
year ago. So the assumption is that the Eagles are
going to get basic and and just absolutely insist on
force feeding him, getting him back in rhythm. The Vikings
have not been good at all this season against the run,
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So is this the game that Barkley gets well, is
there a way with some of at least some of.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The people coming back.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Cashman included that the Vikings can get back to their
better ways when it comes to handling the run.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
What do you see there?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, it's gonna be pretty insightful in my opinion, kind
of if Blake Cashman is indeed back, how much of
the run defensive issues kind of hinge on the interior
defensive linemen who you know were signed because of their
pass rush prowess. I think the Eagles potentially could get
back their left guard Landon Dickerson, who's a Pro Bowl player.
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That should help them. And I really I see the
game two ways. One, both teams are going to do
their damnedest to stay efficient on early downs to not
be in third and long. The Vikings don't have to
protect for that long. The Eagles don't want to place
Jalen Hurts and positions to throw the ball, you know,
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down the field as often as possible. And then the
other aspect for me is more just intangibly, Like for me,
the Eagles are pretty They're backed into a kind of
a corner here. They've been the national narrative subject throughout
the NFL. So do you get the Eagles that are
trying to prove to people that they are not in disarray,
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or do you get an Eagles team that is just
in complete disarray and that that for me, it's gonna
be kind of a fascinating thing to watch.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's a great subplot. Well, I asked I think I
asked Libra this question. I ask you the same one.
Do you view is this the best time to play
the Eagles given what's happened to them the last couple
of weeks, or the worst time to play the Eagles?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah? I mean I frankly, I think it's the best.
I'm from the standpoint of personnel wise. They're dealing with
a ton of injuries. They're dealing with injuries at Ed
Rusher with with Nolan Smith. I mean, they just had
Zdarius Smith retired, Twon Mitchell, who is becoming a star cornerback,
he's limited. So they've navigated a ton of injuries and
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and then I mean offensively, it's it's kind of been
the same, uh situation in some capacity. So you'd rather
their their calling card is their elite personnel, and so
if you're getting them without their full slate of elite personnel.
I think you feel you feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So, if I'm understanding you accurately, you're saying other teams
also suffer significant injuries.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
The Vikings are not the only one.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It's absolutely right. And and the players are more likely
to suffer injuries if they've suffered them before and they're aging.
That seems to be kind of the historical they the
data would support that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Well, yeah, fair to say. So you know what.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Seafert was in studio, No, he was on the phone
I think this week and one of the things we
talked about and maybe even said this last time was
in studio that he thinks he doesn't view Wentz as
having played well enough that it's a no brainer to
continue to extend this thing, but that he's played obviously
credibly enough that you're probably going to hang with him.
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And as you mentioned, the big threshold will probably be
the game in Detroit, especially because of the short gap
between the Eagles game and the Charters game. Leaving aside
all the other stuff, mcarthy, all these things, how would
you what kind of letter grade would you give Wentz
at the quarterback position as a starter for the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, as a starter, I mean, I don't know, maybe
a C plus B minus. Like I think at the
bare minimum, Carson Wentz allows the Vikings to run the
off that they have a lot of confidence and understandably
because of the way they've moved the football in past years,
like he allows them to do that with some effect.
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Inness I'd say the one area that I think's gone
a little bit under the radar. I can't say enough
about how important I feel like Jordan Mason has been
in terms of their run game efficiency. It's definitely taken
a step this year, and I view it more as
just his ability to create yards after contact, and so
I think part of that is you don't need the
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quarterback play to rise to a crazy particular level. And
I feel like Carson Wentz has been serviceable enough, and
I think there's reasonablieve as long as he can stay healthy.
The more time with Justin Jefferson, the more time with
Jordan Addison on the field for four quarters in a game,
the more you know, the more serviceable it could be.
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And then I guess the question would be like, well,
how serviceable? How far could that actually take you? And
that's a very valid question, and because I still think
Carson right now, he's more of just a backup quarterback
protype where you're gonna get some good, you're gonna get
some bad, you'll have a heater moment, and then you'll
probably have a moment where you're pulling hair out. That's
just kind of the backup nature of this league.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yesterday, I think it was yesterday you isolated a quote
via X a quote from O'Connell that I want to
come back to the whole quarterback saga because you're out
there every day. You've covered this thing, you know, from
start to finish, and so and you're you're one of
the people I trust in that regard. I think there's
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a good crew reporters out there. And you know his
comment that got our attention yesterday that you isolated, I
think maybe because you thought it was interesting as well,
and you alluded to it earlier. Here's the quote. He's
an accurate passer. What I've learned about him is when
he plays with that ideal bass balance and body position,
you're going to see the ball come out with a
lot of revolutions and it's going to go where he
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wants it to go. Now, when we Guardian and I
talked about this yesterday. We're like, this feels like there's
should alarm bell should be going off. It sounds like
he was assessing a quarterback who is like nine years old,
or a guy who had not played the position. We're
half We're not halfway, but we're into mid October of
what was supposed to be, you know, his season, and
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it felt very much like we got to go back
to the very beginning on everything with this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Is that part of your concern?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Should that be concerning, especially as someone who's out there
every day?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Are we making too much of.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
That great question? The most concerning thing to me is
he's played two of twenty two games, and so I mean,
the sample size that we have is so minuscule, and
the opportunity that he's had to you know, kind of
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troubleshoot his own brain to find his way to game
speed at the NFL level like they're just not has
not been enough opportunity for him to do that to
then have any success at all. I guess to get
back to your original question, I mean, look, when Jaj
McCarthy was drafted, I can remember conversation with people internally externally,
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and I mean, the opinions reigned at the time, but
at the time there were conversations about, well, he is
kind of an overstrider, and so that's something that kind
of has to be cleaned up. We do kind of
with the way he throws and the torch he puts
on his arm, that's something we gonna we're gonna have
to monitor. So even then it felt like they they
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you know, internally and then multiple scouts are on the
league externally, felt like it wasn't this step in here thrive,
even though he succeeded the way he did at Michigan
and they won the national championship. And I think part
of the I mean, and it goes back to the
Aaron Rodgers conversation this spring. Anything that was that you know,
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that I reported or anybody reported that insinuated anything other
than this kid was a no brainer home run. I
think you received a ton of pushback from fans and
from a lot of different people, But the reality is
he is a twenty two year old who has played
two games at the NFL level after not playing six
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hundreds and not playing in six hundred nine days, and
now he's jumping speed. So I mean, it definitely feels
like with the mechanics conversation that they do believe that
there has to be some stuff cleaned up for him
to succeed effectively and efficiently when he's back in that environment.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
And the question is can you can he go through suffer?
The ups and downs are inevitable? One could argue with
a player who's missed as much time as he has
and has had so little experience even compared to let's
say Drake May who kind of could suffer through some
bad performances last year, while you still keep this thing
afloat as being what the team I thin, I think
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you agree intended as as not a rebuilding year, but
a reloading year, right. I mean that's why this team
was built the way it was. They thought they could
have their cake and eat it too.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
And that's I mean, that's so so much of what
is is kind of fascinating about this situation is not
like you just isolate the quarterback itself. I mean you
have a GM and a head coach who have not
won a playoff game, and they know that, uh, and
they know that if you go through four years of
not having won a playoff game, that's going to become,
rightfully a major conversation. And so, you know, there's a
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lot of dynamics. There's a dynamic of wanting to maintain
this this and Jamie McCarthy's confidence. There's dynamics of wanting
the locker room to remain confident in him. There's uh,
there's also the dynamics of, you know, a lot of
players signed here to win football games because that's what
this team has done, and so to position the quarterback
who allows them to do that is probably what a
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lot of guys internally want. So it is a it
is a fascinating you said it, and I'm glad you
feel this way because you've been you've done this and
perceived it for a lot longer than I have. But
it does feel like this is a very interesting situation.
And if Parson plays the next two games and we
get to the Lions weak him in the interest, I
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expect it to be a conversation that's pretty national.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Frankly, I want to ask you, Daniel Jones question too,
because I don't think you and I have talked about
this on air at all, and we were reminded I
think one of your colleagues had written a piece just
on how unprecedented it was for the Vikings to sail
to move on from Darnold a year where you'd won
with that percentage when a team had won that percentage
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of games, and he laid out the fact that the
that the Vikings had offered Jones fifteen million a year
and that ultimately he took a million dollars less with
the Colts. And the presumption was he did that because
he had been led to believe he'd have a legitimate
chance to compete for the job in Indianapolis in a
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way that he wouldn't hear. So I heard Pa talking
about Jones, and he offered up this speculation. You guys
might even talk about it tomorrow if you have time
on the feast, because I thought it was pretty interesting,
because he said, I got to tell you, I don't
know this, but I got to believe that if the
Vikings had said to Jones, we'll pay the fifteen million
year and we're opening the job, I mean we want
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jj obviously, we drafted him, we believe in him, but
we're going to allow you to compete for the job.
He thought that it was very likely that Jones would
never have left here any you have any opinion on that.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, I mean, first of all, it is my understanding
that the Vikings were willing to pay Daniel Jones more
than the Colts were willing to pay him, and he
eventually opted to take that situation and it's been I mean,
frankly phenomenal. It is the phenomenal move for him. It
is my understanding that if Daniel Jones had come back
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here for like around the fifteen million seventeen million dollar mark,
that that you know, it would have been a competition.
Now would that you know, how fair is that competition?
How likelihood? I I that's probably going too far, But
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I am of the belief that if Daniel Jones had
come back here for fifteen to seventeen million dollars, it
would have been a competition. It would have been very
interesting just for my lens to evaluate those guys together
on the practice field every day, because you know, you
were out here with with the tent with guards the
almost every day. I mean, with the way that Sam
Howard performed, it was very, very very difficult to get
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a real gauge of where JJ McCarthy was at, you know,
paired with someone who's playing games, and that was that
was part of the challenge of a training camp. And
even then, I mean, again, I want to be very
clear about how I viewed the training camp, like it
was very uneven. There was one the second day of
joint practices with the Vikings, you know, and the Patriots.
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Jijim McCarthy had a phenomenal day. But for the most part,
I mean, there were a lot of ups and downs
and inaccuracies and decisions and holding the ball. I mean,
that was a lot of training camp just really.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Was last item for today. Thanks for the time in
the last at the last minute as well. Alec Lewis
from the Athletic joining us. Where do you believe the
Vikings can attack this Eagles defense? What's the what's the
game plan going to be for the offense on Sunday?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Do you believe?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah? I mean, this Eagles defense is much more susceptible
than I think like you usually think Eagles defenses are.
And that's both against the run. An pat I mean,
in their run defense ranks kind of in the bottom
third of the n FELL this season. The Giants just
ran rough shot over them last week. And then you know,
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one of the most. It's another interesting layer of this
game is the Eagles did not really really prioritize re
signing Isaiah Rodgers, the cornerback who has been great for
the Vikings, and and the Eagles have serious question marks
with their with their cornerback two spot. I mean, they
Haveon Mitchell, who I mentioned, they have Cooper Degene who's
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who's a great nickel, but their number two corner is
a Dori Jackson right now, and he is a guy
who can be attacked.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
So I feel like.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
If the Vikings and Jordan Mason can do what he's
done and and if they can protect and if I honestly,
if the game plan is as creative and dialed as
it was against Cleveland, I would not be surprised if
they're able to move the football tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You guys are in Monticello right for the Beast.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
You yeah, the whole game, Manacella, don't I mean, Manacello
is far. I didn't even realize this, but I mean
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Speaker 1 (26:02):
Oh yeah, it's a great location. It's famous. Yeah, that'll
be fun. I know you're enjoying those Beast football feast appearances.
We call it the Beast our Friday night show. But
I appreciate you, as I said, coming on, have fun
tomorrow and we will talk soon.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Thanks man, always fun.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Thank you guys. Appreciate you, appreciate it. We will talk.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So Alec Lewis from the Athletic great stuff. I think,
great insight on a number of subjects for one of
those guys who's out there each and every day, and beautifully,
you know, thankfully we've got three guys that we use,
two of them regularly regularly obviously mister Gesling and Kevin Seffert,
and I have every bit as much respect for Alec.
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I think we got good reporters on this beat.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I think they don't make stuff up. I think they're
not afraid though to analyze, to throw in some things
with the reporting as well. I think there's some outstanding
work being done in that regard. Lavelle is going to
join in about thirty minutes, no, fifteen minutes or so.
We're out at six today for Vikings related programming and
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Speaker 1 (27:35):
Can you find a second source on this story? This
comes from I think a legitimate outlet, Access TV, which
is a big time music channel. Yeah, they're reporting that
Ace Freely is perhaps Freely I think it is? Or
is it Frehley f r e h l E y.
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I was never a big Kiss guy. The legendary tarist
and founding member of Kiss, is reportedly on life support
after suffering a brain bleed that may have resulted from
a fall in his recording student. Oh no, man, I
hope that's not true, but that's just awful news. I look.
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I mean, you hear it over and over again, the
most maybe underreported, underrated way of harm for people regardless
of age. But I guess, especially as you get older,
is a fall on your head? You know what I'm
saying that it's he hears stories like this all of
the time. And we'll see if we getting more details
(28:41):
on that.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Before we ran.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Watching him, posts reported three minutes ago that he's passed away.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
And he's passed away. Oh my goodness. At seventy four. Wow,
that's brutal.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So they have even more recent information that did the
Access TV story. Now. I don't know if they're confirming
the cause that was the was from falling in his
U recording studio, but brutal news for Kiss fans, that's
for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Lava will join us.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
As I said at the bottom of the hour, Dan, sorry,
I've not been listening to the entire show as I
usually do.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Whife and I went to Des Moines.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
To see McCartney Tuesday, Okay, fully expecting sad kind of
old Paul. Nope, he was fantastic, one of my best
Confort concerts ever.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Highly recommend though.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Of course US Bank is not a great venue, which
is why we made the Des Moines journey.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
So where would he have performed in Des Moines?
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Probably where the Iowa Wolves in Iowa Wild Okay, I
would guess, all right, the Wells Fargo Center there.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
That would be my guess. How old is Sir Paul?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Who is older Sir Paul or Mick Jagger? It's fun, Yeah,
it's fun.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's beautiful. No, we never remember, and although he is
here a lot, so we probably do it.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I think we've done this times a year. Yeah, that's
probably true, Paul McCartney, and no indication of a.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Thaw regarding getting him on tomorrow. I have not been
given any impros. There's been no there've been no hint.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
No this has been dropped your way in that and
you've tried it all, you've done everything. We are called
Ringo Starr because you have his We've got him on text,
you've got his cell number, the text and talk more
than people know exactly right, Mick Jagger's eighty two, Paul
McCartney's eighty three, McCartney eighty three, Jagger eighty two, Ringo
Star eighty five. I didn't I guess I didn't realize
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that Ringo's older. Rod Stewart eighty. Keith Richards I am.
I mean, can we agree Keith Richards is going to
outlive all of them? He's eighty one, Oh, he's eighty one, okay,
but like in dog years, he's one hundred and twenty,
and yet he's still alive, still going strong.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It's remarkable.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
What was the joke somebody had about how I think
he's got is you have two daughters and eventually most
people assume that that he will outlive them as one
his own daughters as well, and and whatever wealth they have,
he will inherit from from them.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's true. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Yeah, they always say it's a shame for a parent
to outlive their children.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Sometimes it's inevitable. Yeah, Keith Richards, the concert is not
sold out? Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
That's correct? Note do we know how many tickets are
even sold for that kind of man? I'd say, no idea.
I'd say fifty five thousand. And what do we think
we have? No idea sixty? Maybe what we're going to
get in there for this is it are people? Because
we had a text on this the other day that
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people are still bitter about, you know, when it was
described as the you know, the announcement to end all
announcements and oh he can't even sell out the number
of people who are offended by that, you know, description
of the announcement. I still don't quite understand. Maybe it's
because he has been here too much. I don't know
was it last Was he here last year?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
No, it's been a couple of years, a year since
and he was in Saint Paul last time, wasn't he?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I don't remember. I've never seen him. Sure Paul was
in Saint Paul, but I could be wrong. The problem
is they build it like something that's never happened. That's
where they got in trouble because we all just guessed, right,
we all said, well, it's got to be McCartney doesn't
because it can only be like three people.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
How many people are Yeah, is it even possible to
be at this point?
Speaker 5 (32:33):
And if it wasn't one of those three people, it
would have been even more devastating.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, you're right about that.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Well, the usual capacity sixty six eight at US Bank.
They obviously don't put any behind the stage, so I
would guess it's probably high fifty.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm curious to know what he'll get. You know, what
can he command at this point? And please please let's
not have it where we are his lowest attended concert
all all tour like we like what was the case
with the Beatles.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Well, I would say that's the perfect symmetry for his
career here.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
That might be true, but.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Let's hope he doesn't get arrested or kicked out. Is
that where you're going? Well, No, I what I I.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Do wish is because I wish, I don't know how
much he The time I saw him was at target Field,
and I don't remember how much storytelling he did.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I don't recall that he did a lot, but.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I I really do wish and maybe he has told
it elsewhere at some point or other, but he would
tell the story about what happened between the Beatles and
the cops. And McCartney was the guy quoted or viewed
by the police as he's the guy they that that
the big shot police commissioner didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Like he was giving him trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
In fact, I think he complimented Ringo's demeanor and Leon
George too. So it's just a yeah. But I wonder
if he's ever again. It's a local angle. Nationally, probably
most people wouldn't give a bleep, but because we've talked
so much about that and there's been so much reported
on a low I would love to hear the backstory,
you know, how he what he thinks about the whole
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thing now, whether he denies any of it, how much
fun he could have with it. But I I don't
know how much storytelling he does, because let's face it,
he's in the in the mode now where I wouldn't
be disappointed, I'll be honest with you, I at this
point I almost would rather go watch him speak to
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a really good interviewer, conversation and an auditorium, yeah, to
talk about the history of it. Then then then have him,
you know, sing Yesterday again, although that probably wouldn't be
a bad bonus. Maybe an acoustic Yesterday from the stage
after he answers all the questions during the conversation. Seriously,
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great outstanding, wouldn't it, Yes, it would. Why is the
Bank the worst? Why is the uh Bank consider the
worst concert venue in the cities? Is it still the acoustics? Yeah,
I mean, think about it. It's just because it's so big.
It's so big, it's got glass everywhere. It's in closed,
so the noise just bounces all over the place. It's
it's not set up great, okay, And I think that's
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a little overwrought. I think we get that to me
is people starts feeding it, and that to me is
Saint Louis is a great baseball town.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You get tired of.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
It, well, you just people start saying it, so then
you start thinking it.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, you start you start believing it, and then you
go there and you got.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Maybe this does suck, But you're also like, yeah, but
it's not everything can be the Dakota or the.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Let's remember, I mean, the Metrodome was awful.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
His I gotta believe this building's better acoustically than the
Metro Maybe Metrodome was hideous, right, because nothing was updated there.
Everything was on the cheap and the Metrodome, everything including
the baseball team, they handled it well a couple of times,
but I mean I don't think there are everything's on
the cheap at and they tweaked it and they've messed
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with it, and I've been to a couple of concerts there.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I think it's fine. I'm not going to be a snob.
If I'm not going, it's not going to be because
of that.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
If I want to see McCartney, I don't care where
it is, you know, I really I don't buy the
notion that if that, if that's what's dictating your decision,
then I don't think you're that.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Just just say, hey, I just want to go. I'm
not going to mood for a concert.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah, because I don't think he's coming to play the
grand stand at the State Fair like.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I'd love to see him at the final line. Of course,
it'd be great. Do we still have concerts at the
Zoo or do they give that up? Remember the concerts
at the THEO. I do remember, it's tremendous. Yeah, I
don't remember. I think they stopped. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
All right, bottom of the hour.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Pause and we'll chat with Lavelle a day early because
with Gophers the Gophers hosting Nebraska tomorrow night, the pregame
show will start at five o'clock, so we only have
a two hour tour tomorrow, So lavel we'll join us.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Next final segment of the show.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
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Speaker 1 (37:08):
I want to thank our very special guests today. Alec
Lewis joined what about four forty five ish or so.
We also had the inbox opened at four o'clock. Several
outstanding contributions there. And we're out early because we got
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Vikings programming and then Thursday night football right here on
the fan this evening tomorrow, a two hour show will
include picks with Kirby as well as.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
What else do we have them? Marrow Ben guestling four
thirty regular time. We're moving away. That's the plan.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, and uh, maybe like a quick five minutes from
you from the press box, we could do that. You
got too much stuff going? Is it too busy for pregame?
I mean we don't have to. I'm just I'm off.
I mean I'm willing, i'd I'd love to have it
for like a quick five minute hit set the scene.
Big ball game for both clubs, critical game for the golfs,
Big game. Nebraska thinks they've like to think they've turned
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the corner. We'll see And you say, the latest forecast
is for not for rain, so should be already be
at dry field. Our next guest might be at the
ball game tomorrow, is that right?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Lovell? You will be at the Original Bank at Huntington
Bank Stadium.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I don't have to cover it, but I'm thinking about
going to the game because I haven't I haven't seen
a golphers playing person this year, so I kind of
like to kind of see for myself what's going on
there because I've been watching other games or been elsewhere
when they've been playing. Yeah, so I haven't seen a
lot of golf for football this year. I'd like to
kind of try my own conclusions of how this operation looks.
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It sounds like the offensive line needs work, and it
sounds like there's no running game. And the Gophers going
into Nebraska.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, they're not stopping to run either, just like the Vikings.
They've had some issues with that. You're Illinois club boy.
They really look good against Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, you know what, they really coughed up along in
the first half with a lot of self inflicted damage.
And even then, you've got to play mistake free football
and have some things go your way when you're playing
the number one team in the nation, you know, and
the game is pretty much over halftime because of the
couple of picks they through. I think they put the
ball on the ground some Coffee counties. It was just
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real sloppy man. So Illinois has a bye week this
week to get their act together. There's a chance, I
mean they cleaned Nebraska next week. Actually, there's a chance
they could run the table and finish ten and two,
which would be pretty decent. But the two losses were
kind of embarrassing. The House State game in the absolute
the womper stopping that, the who was just put on them.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
That's very, very true. All right, where do you want
to start? What did you write about? What started being
dot com? Most recently?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Was it hockey in hockey?
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Jamie Nelson, him Cato?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Didn't you write a wild column?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Leads?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I mean, have you become mister puck all of a sudden?
What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I wrote three wild columns last week. It just happened
on the place there where I kind of did a
season preview, my expectations, and then I wrote about uh,
I wrote about cover one of the games, and I
wrote about the Caprice off, you know, being the latest
Minnesota athlete to be the highest paid player in his sport.
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So that was the one that ran on Monday.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
You or something? Is there something? I mean, does he
know something that.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Put you, you know, in a spot where you fairl
I better keep writing hockey columns or what.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
I try to stay away from falling this because I
don't know what movie he's in from day today. And
you know, he gets like he takes it as an
insult if you waiving him without actually walking up to
him and saying, Hey, what's going on, Kevin? How you
doing today? He has to like be verbally acknowledged of
his existence instead of like nonverbal communication like through it
one door or something. He's got this a romotherapy thing.
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You know, he's going all this stuff and money's in
the middle of a mid life crisis.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I just silent.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
That's very, very possible. All right, let's talk Vikings. I
think the suspense is being eliminated, right I. You know,
we we've had there was the ongoing debate, well who
should start and who is going to start? But I felt,
as of two days ago, based on what the head
coach was saying, and what the quarterback, what JJ McCarthy
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was saying that and even what had happened most recent
game with Wentz down the stretch, that Wentz was going
to start the game. And now I don't even think
it's a matter of whether the head coach wants to
make it, you know, even if he wanted to make
a decision on the basis of personnel, I think that
option is being taken away. It's clear to me he
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was McCarthy was limited again in practice today. This is
Wednesday already, so I think it's it's done. No matter
what people think on who should start, any of the
suspenses being taken away by the fact that clearly McCarthy's
not ready.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Yeah, if McCarthy was healthy, I think you got to
start him. I mean, you can't get to where you
want to go until JJ gets these some starts under
his belt and get some experience, and he gives you
a greater a greater idea of what he's going to
bring to the table. The man, you know, sat out
all last year, and you know he's played what two
games this year, so we still know the Viking Shower
(42:28):
what they have, you know. So but yesterday he did
it for me when he said Zanko wasn't one hundred percent.
He would like to be out there, but you know
his body has to cooperate with him. So I said,
now he's not going to play. Now, I'm curious to
see how things play out Sunday with Wins because apparently
his left show is pretty sore still. And if he
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gets hit on the right spot, does that mean it's
Max Brosemer time?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
You know, does because you're not gonna we just had
we just were talking to Alec. If you can't, really
I think have McCarthy as your backup in uniform, because
then it not well if he's good enough to be
your backup in emergency situation, why not start him? So
my gut tells me that Guardi's guy Broser is gonna
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be the backup QB to and you know and injured
Carson Wentz on Sunday. I really believe that's how it's
gonna go. I don't even think it's a controversial take
at this point.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
But it's gonna have everybody, all the golfer fans are
route if if Bros Gets a chance to uh direct
show off his hold, you know, and throw some lasers
across the field. I I mean, I'm a little curious too,
but see if he is in such a weird I
keep sinking my last year Dan because going into the
season there were so many doubts about say I'm darn
(43:46):
on and we mispread that one because they d have
won their like fourteen games. So this year we all
like dounted down to like, okay, eleven or twelve wins.
JJ's the rookie. But they have a good defense and
have a great offensive line. Well, there are the injuries
on both sides. Uh offensive line just is starting to
get healthy. Defense made if this Grenard thing is real,
(44:07):
you got a hamstring? Yes, you know that means they're
two top sack guys from a year ago won't be
in the lineup against the Philadelphia Eagles team that is
hungry to re establish his ground game. I looked about
the write of call for Sunday, you know, saying, you know,
releases on the way because play cash when they're leading
tackles from a year ago is healthy to try to stop,
you know, the Eagles from rediscovering their run offense. But now,
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you know, looking at that going now, and this may
be one of those years where you're not going to
get a clear idea what JJ McCarthy can do for
a while, and you're gonna have so many injuries that
you're not going to have your best team on the field.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, And I you know, we kidded with Alec because
Alec was going through the litany of injuries, which players
might be ready to come back for the Vikings, which
might still be sidelined, and he he he was reminding
us as he did that he kind of gave us
a number of the the injury issues challenges that the
Eagles are facing. And I very sarcastically said, oh wait
(45:06):
a minute. Wait, So you're telling me we're not the
only team that ever ever gets significant injuries, And I
do think it's a story that has been overplayed in
this town.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I'm not saying these injuries don't matter. They do.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Obviously, these are key players. And I'm not saying every
team has equal luck when it comes to injuries. But
I'm guarantee you this, If we spend as much time
category cataloging the injuries of a bunch of teams in
this league, including good teams, we would be shocked to
find out that's the nature of this business anymore, that
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we're not the only team deprived of this player or
that player or had to rise above it. The fact
is there are a number of teams that have lost
significant talent for extended periods of time. And that's why,
to me, we got to stop feeling sorry for ourselves.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
I understand that this is a sport. In know if
it's gonna happen this year, but as many as three
hundred players end up on IR during the season. Three
hundred an incredible number. So everybody's trying to compensate for something. Uh,
when you're playing and you have to celebrate it when
you guys, when you get guys healthy, but improvise and overcome.
It should be a mantra that is spoken in every
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NFL training room because it's gonna be next man up.
It's gonna be you know, people filling it for others,
and you're you're hoping on being able to coach up
players to step in. You open the scheme in a
way that you know covers up your weaknesses, and you
have to win. And you know, if the games are ugly,
don't don't worry about it. If you win is a win.
(46:40):
You celebrate these wins in the NFL where reguardless of
how pathetically pleasing they are, we you know, us media jackals.
You know, we'll like to complain about Yeah, but the
only one by three didn't cover Uh they needed a
late driving the fourth quarter. That's a red flag. Yeah,
we're gonna write those stories. But the reality is, you know,
most of these games are being set up bout with
one score or eight points or stuff like that, so
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you're gonna have to fire out a ways to win
with without the without the best you have.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's just sort of the way this
thing works.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
A couple of people are demanding that I ask you
what time your apology to Chicago Bears might be?
Speaker 3 (47:19):
What I have to apologize for once three in a
row for mike yioh.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
They got a chance to go what four and two?
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Yeh, But they're five and a half point favorites against
the Saint Sunday.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
They gotta, they gotta, they got a gimme. They got
a loser proof game on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Well, hold on here, hold on with loser proof. I'm
not ready to go there. Okay, you know the Bears
are still trying to fire off. They have a left tackle,
yet they got a couple of guys injured. DJ Moore
had to spend the night in the Washington hospital. Though
they have a grind monitor for injury. You know, they're
not one hundred percent like everybody else, is it. But
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they showed some signs of sticking with it against Washington.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Actually, t J. Edwards coming back really helped.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Speaking again of injuries, you know, again I heard I'm
not going to say where somewhere on one of these
frequencies that if the Vikings had had who's our regular
right tackle, right offensive tackle, if O'Neil had played against
the Steelers, we would have won the game. And I'm going,
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okay that that sounds good. The Bears were missing. Could
the Bears say, well, if we'd have had three or
four of the five defensive starters we had out against
the Vikings, the Bears would have finished that game and
there wouldn't have been any you know, miracle comeback by
JJ McCarthy. That's why I think that game is not
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worth playing, because if you only conveniently play it when
it's your advantage, then I think you're you're not really
being very fair to what else is going on to
other teams as well.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean Brisco was Kyler Gordon
was out and was least was out without you know,
we're still learning about Caleb Williams as you have the
chops to play. This game actually looked better the last
couple of weeks. You know, it was great catching the
Cowboys when you caught when the Bears caught him because
they were able to kind of that was kind of
the get right game for them.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
By the way, I think Aikman's still mad at Caleb.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
He kept some of that. Caleb was having fun with
it on social media though, so I think he's ready
to move on on with it.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
But the rumor is for those who don't know, let
me say, is that he didn't they you know, they
they're supposed to give these briefings obviously to the play
by play guy and sometimes TV analyst, and that somehow
Caleb couldn't couldn't find time for for Troy Aikman for
old number eight.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
What's that all about?
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Yeah? Yeah, And I'm sure was upset and Aignan was
it he didn't hope back whenever Caleb like through a
pass that was out for miss Romo Goosey running down
the field until you know, three yards of separation. Yes,
and the one thought I was almost picked. Aikman was
ready to jump on her criticisms.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
He was.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
I think the criticisms were more than the praise from Aikman. So,
I mean that's his way of getting back at the
at the young man. So I hope he he's happy
with his performance on Monday Night Football. You know Caleb's
happy with his because then he ended up driving the
Bears on the field. Actually, DeAndre SWI, Yeah, it was running,
that's it exactly of winning the game.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Well, you know what, though, in all seriousness, I I
think I think you'd agree with this, Williams.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Caleb still needs to be more accurate.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
And it is a reminder that I think, and this
is what I think where Aikman is a bit of
a perfectionist, but what he knows is I mean, we
we had fun a couple of days ago with the
comment from the head coach about about the power of completions,
and really what that is is, of course, the power
of accuracy, all right, of just throwing the ball to
the to the right guy at the right time. Whether
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it's a three yard pass, don't worry if it's a
nine yard pass, just be accurate with the threat. And
I still think, even in victory, that's where Caleb's got
gotta get better. I still don't think he's up to
that place where he completely gets the you know where
he gets he gets a little off kilter and he
doesn't look like his base is very good. That's what
the best quarterbacks do, man, They complete pass after pass
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after pass.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Well, I hate to sound like O'Connell, but you know
they've had to work on Caleb Willis's footwork. He needed
that proper base under him. So when he releases, the
ball has the right revolutions and it's very accurate. They
had to because they were talking about how he was
lining up with the wrong foot, like he had his
right foot in front of him when he was getting
the Shotgune and then Johnsons like, what are you doing?
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How are you going to get the ball out on
the quick screen pass which I like to run with
the right foot in front of you, put your left
foot out front. So a little stuff like that, Kilos
were working on and he hit some nice screenplays. Yes
on a Monday night, and yeah, taking what the defense
gives you is a good thing. But you also don't
want to throw twelve swing pass of the game either
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if you're not getting much yards after to catch one.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Hundred percent true lavel with us for just a couple
more minutes. We were out at six for Vikings programming
and then it's Vikings Podcast Day is what it is,
and then that will be followed by Thursday Night football
the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
I believe we're in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
I think that game's in Cincy to take on the Bengals.
Michael real Quick, I saw an item I think it
was from your guy Gleaman. That caught my attention. You
know what I did? I think I retweeted it. Let
me double check if I did. I don't know if
you've heard anything about this. He tweeted that according to
(52:43):
Sam Bloom, the Angels are expected to interview Tory Hunter
and possibly rock A Ball Deli for their manager job.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Kind of interesting and see I.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
Didn't seen that one today.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
I know they interviewed Kurtzuzuki, who was also has Twins connections,
and Toy was mentioned as a possibility that the day
after the regular season ended, and then a lot of
the attentions were switched to Abba pool Holds, which threw
me for a if. I couldn't believe a guy as
accomplishment as he has been with the hundreds of millions
of dollars that he's earned, would like to would want
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to invest that type of time to be amazing manager.
But apparently their search continues. I'm not surprised as all
that Toys talking to the Angels, and I as of
last week, the Twins that not called Toy for an interview.
I don't know I would. I would imagine if the
Twins are being thorough here, they should bring the man
in for a conversation and see what he's thinking that.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
I still like your idea of the best actually, Rouson,
but I think you got to bring him in.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Do we know that Tory wants to be a manager?
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Yeah, I think he does.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
I think he does.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
But I'm still even when he said it, I'm still
surprised at it because he's got so much going on
with his business interest. I was like, he's gonna be
able to separate these two. It just hecus and when
it takes to being a manager, it's some long hours man.
There's a lot of stuff that goes on. The managers
have to put up when you get into the you
get into the cluboffs like a you know, noon before
the seven pm game. You know, he's got to go
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to the spring training. Just hope he's ready for the task.
You know.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
That's that's a big big uh. It's a it's a
lot of time, man, a big responsibility. It is.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
So that's interesting and interesting that Rockell was ready to
get back in. Maybe you just want to have a
conversation and make a decision, because when we swapped text
a couple of weeks ago, he indicated he wanted to
spend time with his family and then kind of figure
out what he wants to do. Maybe he's maybe he
got the is already, or maybe Arti Morino personally called
and said, I like to bring you in. He couldn't
say no to Lardi Morino.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
I don't know you could.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
The emotions change. I'm sure pretty quickly where you go. Okay, yeah,
I was, That's how I felt then. But somebody's gonna
call me. I'm gonna listen. Uh, we are out of time.
We appreciate you a day early because we as you know,
we're out early tomorrow for Gopher football where you say
you're going to be or might hang out.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Uh, So we'll talk to you next. We thank you,
Lavelle E Neil.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
The third two hour truncated program tomorrow will include the
usual that means predictions with Kirby at three point thirty
and Ben Gestling should join us at four thirty. Maybe
we'll have a little bit more in the quarterback situation
by then, although I think it's pretty much we pretty
much know how this is going to go. And as
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I mentioned earlier Vikings Podcast, we follow up by Thursday
Night football. All that tonight in the fan we appreciate
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We're out at six o'clock tonight for Vikings programming Thursday
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standing alec Lewis, I'm sure we'll be watching once he
finishes crafting whatever he has to craft Vikings related He
joins us now via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. When
you watch tonight's game, especially when Aaron Rodgers throws two
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more touchdown passes to Metcalf and the Steelers breeze over
the Bengals, are you going to start humming the Harold
Melvin the Blue Notes song, the classic old soul song
the Love We Lost?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Are we going to? Eventually?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Alec Lewis threw the day that the quarterback Whisperer, after
having obviously real conversations with a rog, chose to go
a different route.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, what was the Blue song? You said? I don't
know the last time I've played that. It's probably been
a minute for me in general. But first, a couple
of things come to mind when you ask that question.
The first is, I don't know if I'm gonna watch. Partly,
I mean, I'm a little footballed out and it's kind
of a problem in week seven to be this way
I'm at the I'm gonna be at the feast tomorrow morning.
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The attitude, the attitude shift will happen at some point.
So that's that's the first thing. Second, if Aaron Rodgers
throws two touchdowns against the Bengals, considering what I saw
from the Bengals and the Viking beat them a few
weeks ago, I'm not sure how much I'm gonna make
of it. And then third, to really answer the question,
I mean, it's so fascinating for me to reflect on
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the time to spring when that reporting existed, and I
mean there was a considered amount of pushback from Vikings
fans at the time regarding that reporting and regarding the subject.
And the reason that I was and still am as
confident in that reporting as I was was because going
this route this season was always as bold of a
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bed as it's as it's kind of seeming right now.
So yeah, that's where my mind is. That with that beginning, very.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well said, that's that's what, that's part of what and
that none of that means McCarthy can end up coming
back and being great the whole bit, but it is
part of the bet, and it makes this whole saga
one of the more fascinating to me in recent Vikings
quarterbacks history. And they've had some sagas, that's for sure.
Let me ask you a question we started the show with,
I if I my math has to be checked a lot,
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and it was awful at the start of the show.
But I think I rechecked the calendar. I have this
as day number thirty two since McCarthy was hurt. So
we're coming up now on five weeks pretty soon. Right,
it's clear he's not going to play this week. I
think I will let you handle that as well. But
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are you guys at all getting even a tad suspicious
their spidey senses changing a little bit to say, well,
wait a minute, maybe even given what McCarthy said yesterday,
not one hundred percent the head coach calling it a
unique injury, do we have any worry that this is
lingering longer than even problematic tricky high ankle sprain should.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, I mean, look, I I'm not there. I mean
he it was. It's been interesting. Your mats is correct,
it's thirty two days, I believe. Since that Monday morning
press congreence after the Falcon game where Kevin O'Connell obviously
told us that the high angele spray surface. JJ McCarthy
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said what I had heard last week in that JJ
had multiple opinions on it, and the takeaway was that
it was going to be somewhere from two to six weeks.
It's kind of a long I don't know that's and
you feel like high angele sprains typically it's probably more
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four to six and so yeah, I mean, I just
I'm not there yet. I do think there is definitely
a part of this where while he is still recovering
from this ankle injury, they are trying to attack some
mechanical aspects and his lower body that they believe have
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affected the accuracy of his performance. One of the things
that I've been a little intrigued by that with is
is Kevin O'Connell I believe at least once has said
we want to get him back to how things were
mechanically in training camp. And I mean my takeaway throughout
training camp after training camp was I didn't feel like
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in training camp he was so dialed in that getting
him back to that place means he's all of a sudden,
you know, surgical throwing for three hundred and fifty yards
and not missing passes. So I mean even throughout training camp,
and I wrote this on Monday, like there was a
day in training camp where Kevin O'Connell looked at the
sky and said like, oh, the sky's not falling. And
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to me, I mean that it was an explanation even
at that point of what was pretty obvious just watching
it every day that things were not perfect offensively to
say the least.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
By the way, I don't want to completely leave the
quarterback to subject because there's more to ask, but I
did note your item via X. Now we have to
worry about a Grenard injury? What's this all about?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, I did not expect that at all. I saw
him in the locker room. He was walking okay in
the locker room, But yeah, I did not expect that.
We'll be interesting to hear more about that, probably either
via text whatever tonight or tomorrow. But yeah, I mean
Jyler Gernard. His impact on this defense and this team
is very obvious, I think. And yeah, for him to
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pop up on a week where it's been pretty positive
from an injury perspective, with a lot of players who
are key contributors, returning to see him pop up today
not what you like, but he's played through a lot
this year and in past year. So until I hear
tomorrow that either he's questionable or what have you, I'm
not going crazy over it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's a hammy for him.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I believe it is what they're saying right a hamstring injury,
which can get tricky.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
But we'll see how serious it is. So give me.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
What you're I guess what you know on the basis
of reporting, and what you anticipate on the basis of
having to do some projecting guarding the walking wounded. Which
of the injured players do you think are pretty damned
likely to be returning to the lineup against the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, I should pull up the entire list and just
go one by one, and I'll do that right now.
I mean I'll start near the top. Blake Cashman his
twenty one day window after his hamstring injury was activated
earlier this week. He's been full both days of practice
this week. I would expect Blake Cashman to go. Michael
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Jurgens is back practicing with his hamstring injury. I if
I had a peggy right now, I think Blake Brandell
with what he did at center again in London against Cleveland,
I would I would kind of expect Blake Brandell to
be starting at center. Carson Wentz has been the quarterback
besides Max Roseberg, who has been full, so my expectation
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at this point right now is that he's going to
be the quarterback against his former team. Donovan Jackson was
today with the wrist injury. I know, I mean as
the laundry list, but I wouldn't be surprised if Donovan
Jackson plays this game. I'm less confident about right tackle
Brian O'Neill uh coming back from the the MCL sprain.
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Adrew van Geegle has been limited. That's been very positive
that he's been back on the practice field, but I'm
not sure if one week of being limited is going
to be enough, so I don't feel rosy about him.
And then Christian derisid do expect to be back to
more of a full workload snap count Sunday against the Engles.
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I think that's most of them.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
There's some other while add one to the list.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Who do you believe is likely to be the backup
quarterback on Sunday against the Eagles?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah? For me, my expectation would be Max Roseberg. I mean,
it'd be hard to explain why if Jaj McCarthy was
healthy enough to be one step away that that he
would not be the starter. And so really, uh, the
way I'm looking at this right now, Dan, is I
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expect Carson wentz Uh to play Sunday and start Sunday
against the Eagles. I've said, I've written this, I've said
it on my own podcast. I mean, this non throwing
shoulder injury that he has is not insignificant, and so
I mean I do worry if he is taking hits
from Jalen Carter and Moro Jomo uh In or out
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of the pocket on Sunday. I mean that that is
definitely a concern. And his play style lends itself to
taking hits, So that's one that I would I mean,
you know, Max Roseberg is probably doing as much as
he can to be as ready as possible this week,
and then if Carson plays fairly well, uh, and and
you know, if it's closer, if they win the game,
and my full expectation would be that he would get
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the opportunity again on a short week and then the
lead up to the Lions game. That would be the
conversation then would be the point at which I think
you really drill down on where things are at with
JJ McCarthy mechanically and then help wise as well.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
When is Aaron Jones going to be back?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Great question. His twenty one day window has not been activated.
He was in London with the team, so it was
around the team, but has not participated in practice. I
will say I've kind of seen him a little bit
on the side, which is usually a sign that it's
getting closer. But I mean for me, it's probably like
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the short week is not going to cut it either,
probably for him. So the Lions week is probably where
I just start to really ask that question as well
for him.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Logically speaking.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
We're chatting with Alex Lewis from the athletic levelle in
about a half hour.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The Eagles are struggling offensively.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
That starts with Barkley, obviously, who was All World a
year ago. So the assumption is that the Eagles are
going to get basic and and just absolutely insist on
force feeding him, getting him back in rhythm. The Vikings
have not been good at all this season against the run,
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So is this the game that Barkley gets well, is
there a way with some of at least some of.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
The people coming back.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Cashman included that the Vikings can get back to their
better ways when it comes to handling the run.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
What do you see there?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, it's gonna be pretty insightful in my opinion, kind
of if Blake Cashman is indeed back, how much of
the run defensive issues kind of hinge on the interior
defensive linemen who you know were signed because of their
pass rush prowess. I think the Eagles potentially could get
back their left guard Landon Dickerson, who's a Pro Bowl player.
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That should help them. And I really I see the
game two ways. One, both teams are going to do
their damnedest to stay efficient on early downs to not
be in third and long. The Vikings don't have to
protect for that long. The Eagles don't want to place
Jalen Hurts and positions to throw the ball, you know,
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down the field as often as possible. And then the
other aspect for me is more just intangibly, Like for me,
the Eagles are pretty They're backed into a kind of
a corner here. They've been the national narrative subject throughout
the NFL. So do you get the Eagles that are
trying to prove to people that they are not in disarray,
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or do you get an Eagles team that is just
in complete disarray and that that for me, it's gonna
be kind of a fascinating thing to watch.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's a great subplot. Well, I asked I think I
asked Libra this question. I ask you the same one.
Do you view is this the best time to play
the Eagles given what's happened to them the last couple
of weeks, or the worst time to play the Eagles?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah? I mean I frankly, I think it's the best.
I'm from the standpoint of personnel wise. They're dealing with
a ton of injuries. They're dealing with injuries at Ed
Rusher with with Nolan Smith. I mean, they just had
Zdarius Smith retired, Twon Mitchell, who is becoming a star cornerback,
he's limited. So they've navigated a ton of injuries and
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and then I mean offensively, it's it's kind of been
the same, uh situation in some capacity. So you'd rather
their their calling card is their elite personnel, and so
if you're getting them without their full slate of elite personnel.
I think you feel you feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So, if I'm understanding you accurately, you're saying other teams
also suffer significant injuries.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
The Vikings are not the only one.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It's absolutely right. And and the players are more likely
to suffer injuries if they've suffered them before and they're aging.
That seems to be kind of the historical they the
data would support that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Well, yeah, fair to say. So you know what.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Seafert was in studio, No, he was on the phone
I think this week and one of the things we
talked about and maybe even said this last time was
in studio that he thinks he doesn't view Wentz as
having played well enough that it's a no brainer to
continue to extend this thing, but that he's played obviously
credibly enough that you're probably going to hang with him.
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And as you mentioned, the big threshold will probably be
the game in Detroit, especially because of the short gap
between the Eagles game and the Charters game. Leaving aside
all the other stuff, mcarthy, all these things, how would
you what kind of letter grade would you give Wentz
at the quarterback position as a starter for the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, as a starter, I mean, I don't know, maybe
a C plus B minus. Like I think at the
bare minimum, Carson Wentz allows the Vikings to run the
off that they have a lot of confidence and understandably
because of the way they've moved the football in past years,
like he allows them to do that with some effect.
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Inness I'd say the one area that I think's gone
a little bit under the radar. I can't say enough
about how important I feel like Jordan Mason has been
in terms of their run game efficiency. It's definitely taken
a step this year, and I view it more as
just his ability to create yards after contact, and so
I think part of that is you don't need the
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quarterback play to rise to a crazy particular level. And
I feel like Carson Wentz has been serviceable enough, and
I think there's reasonablieve as long as he can stay healthy.
The more time with Justin Jefferson, the more time with
Jordan Addison on the field for four quarters in a game,
the more you know, the more serviceable it could be.
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And then I guess the question would be like, well,
how serviceable? How far could that actually take you? And
that's a very valid question, and because I still think
Carson right now, he's more of just a backup quarterback
protype where you're gonna get some good, you're gonna get
some bad, you'll have a heater moment, and then you'll
probably have a moment where you're pulling hair out. That's
just kind of the backup nature of this league.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yesterday, I think it was yesterday you isolated a quote
via X a quote from O'Connell that I want to
come back to the whole quarterback saga because you're out
there every day. You've covered this thing, you know, from
start to finish, and so and you're you're one of
the people I trust in that regard. I think there's
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a good crew reporters out there. And you know his
comment that got our attention yesterday that you isolated, I
think maybe because you thought it was interesting as well,
and you alluded to it earlier. Here's the quote. He's
an accurate passer. What I've learned about him is when
he plays with that ideal bass balance and body position,
you're going to see the ball come out with a
lot of revolutions and it's going to go where he
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wants it to go. Now, when we Guardian and I
talked about this yesterday. We're like, this feels like there's
should alarm bell should be going off. It sounds like
he was assessing a quarterback who is like nine years old,
or a guy who had not played the position. We're
half We're not halfway, but we're into mid October of
what was supposed to be, you know, his season, and
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it felt very much like we got to go back
to the very beginning on everything with this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Is that part of your concern?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Should that be concerning, especially as someone who's out there
every day?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Are we making too much of.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
That great question? The most concerning thing to me is
he's played two of twenty two games, and so I mean,
the sample size that we have is so minuscule, and
the opportunity that he's had to you know, kind of
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troubleshoot his own brain to find his way to game
speed at the NFL level like they're just not has
not been enough opportunity for him to do that to
then have any success at all. I guess to get
back to your original question, I mean, look, when Jaj
McCarthy was drafted, I can remember conversation with people internally externally,
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and I mean, the opinions reigned at the time, but
at the time there were conversations about, well, he is
kind of an overstrider, and so that's something that kind
of has to be cleaned up. We do kind of
with the way he throws and the torch he puts
on his arm, that's something we gonna we're gonna have
to monitor. So even then it felt like they they
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you know, internally and then multiple scouts are on the
league externally, felt like it wasn't this step in here thrive,
even though he succeeded the way he did at Michigan
and they won the national championship. And I think part
of the I mean, and it goes back to the
Aaron Rodgers conversation this spring. Anything that was that you know,
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that I reported or anybody reported that insinuated anything other
than this kid was a no brainer home run. I
think you received a ton of pushback from fans and
from a lot of different people, But the reality is
he is a twenty two year old who has played
two games at the NFL level after not playing six
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hundreds and not playing in six hundred nine days, and
now he's jumping speed. So I mean, it definitely feels
like with the mechanics conversation that they do believe that
there has to be some stuff cleaned up for him
to succeed effectively and efficiently when he's back in that environment.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
And the question is can you can he go through suffer?
The ups and downs are inevitable? One could argue with
a player who's missed as much time as he has
and has had so little experience even compared to let's
say Drake May who kind of could suffer through some
bad performances last year, while you still keep this thing
afloat as being what the team I thin, I think
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you agree intended as as not a rebuilding year, but
a reloading year, right. I mean that's why this team
was built the way it was. They thought they could
have their cake and eat it too.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
And that's I mean, that's so so much of what
is is kind of fascinating about this situation is not
like you just isolate the quarterback itself. I mean you
have a GM and a head coach who have not
won a playoff game, and they know that, uh, and
they know that if you go through four years of
not having won a playoff game, that's going to become,
rightfully a major conversation. And so, you know, there's a
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lot of dynamics. There's a dynamic of wanting to maintain
this this and Jamie McCarthy's confidence. There's dynamics of wanting
the locker room to remain confident in him. There's uh,
there's also the dynamics of, you know, a lot of
players signed here to win football games because that's what
this team has done, and so to position the quarterback
who allows them to do that is probably what a
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lot of guys internally want. So it is a it
is a fascinating you said it, and I'm glad you
feel this way because you've been you've done this and
perceived it for a lot longer than I have. But
it does feel like this is a very interesting situation.
And if Parson plays the next two games and we
get to the Lions weak him in the interest, I
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expect it to be a conversation that's pretty national.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Frankly, I want to ask you, Daniel Jones question too,
because I don't think you and I have talked about
this on air at all, and we were reminded I
think one of your colleagues had written a piece just
on how unprecedented it was for the Vikings to sail
to move on from Darnold a year where you'd won
with that percentage when a team had won that percentage
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of games, and he laid out the fact that the
that the Vikings had offered Jones fifteen million a year
and that ultimately he took a million dollars less with
the Colts. And the presumption was he did that because
he had been led to believe he'd have a legitimate
chance to compete for the job in Indianapolis in a
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way that he wouldn't hear. So I heard Pa talking
about Jones, and he offered up this speculation. You guys
might even talk about it tomorrow if you have time
on the feast, because I thought it was pretty interesting,
because he said, I got to tell you, I don't
know this, but I got to believe that if the
Vikings had said to Jones, we'll pay the fifteen million
year and we're opening the job, I mean we want
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jj obviously, we drafted him, we believe in him, but
we're going to allow you to compete for the job.
He thought that it was very likely that Jones would
never have left here any you have any opinion on that.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, I mean, first of all, it is my understanding
that the Vikings were willing to pay Daniel Jones more
than the Colts were willing to pay him, and he
eventually opted to take that situation and it's been I mean,
frankly phenomenal. It is the phenomenal move for him. It
is my understanding that if Daniel Jones had come back
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here for like around the fifteen million seventeen million dollar mark,
that that you know, it would have been a competition.
Now would that you know, how fair is that competition?
How likelihood? I I that's probably going too far, But
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I am of the belief that if Daniel Jones had
come back here for fifteen to seventeen million dollars, it
would have been a competition. It would have been very
interesting just for my lens to evaluate those guys together
on the practice field every day, because you know, you
were out here with with the tent with guards the
almost every day. I mean, with the way that Sam
Howard performed, it was very, very very difficult to get
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a real gauge of where JJ McCarthy was at, you know,
paired with someone who's playing games, and that was that
was part of the challenge of a training camp. And
even then, I mean, again, I want to be very
clear about how I viewed the training camp, like it
was very uneven. There was one the second day of
joint practices with the Vikings, you know, and the Patriots.
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Jijim McCarthy had a phenomenal day. But for the most part,
I mean, there were a lot of ups and downs
and inaccuracies and decisions and holding the ball. I mean,
that was a lot of training camp just really.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Was last item for today. Thanks for the time in
the last at the last minute as well. Alec Lewis
from the Athletic joining us. Where do you believe the
Vikings can attack this Eagles defense? What's the what's the
game plan going to be for the offense on Sunday?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Do you believe?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah? I mean, this Eagles defense is much more susceptible
than I think like you usually think Eagles defenses are.
And that's both against the run. An pat I mean,
in their run defense ranks kind of in the bottom
third of the n FELL this season. The Giants just
ran rough shot over them last week. And then you know,
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one of the most. It's another interesting layer of this
game is the Eagles did not really really prioritize re
signing Isaiah Rodgers, the cornerback who has been great for
the Vikings, and and the Eagles have serious question marks
with their with their cornerback two spot. I mean, they
Haveon Mitchell, who I mentioned, they have Cooper Degene who's
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who's a great nickel, but their number two corner is
a Dori Jackson right now, and he is a guy
who can be attacked.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
So I feel like.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
If the Vikings and Jordan Mason can do what he's
done and and if they can protect and if I honestly,
if the game plan is as creative and dialed as
it was against Cleveland, I would not be surprised if
they're able to move the football tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You guys are in Monticello right for the Beast.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
You yeah, the whole game, Manacella, don't I mean, Manacello
is far. I didn't even realize this, but I mean
we're reaching hiking fans everywhere.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Oh yeah, it's a great location. It's famous. Yeah, that'll
be fun. I know you're enjoying those Beast football feast appearances.
We call it the Beast our Friday night show. But
I appreciate you, as I said, coming on, have fun
tomorrow and we will talk soon.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Thanks man, always fun.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Thank you guys. Appreciate you, appreciate it. We will talk.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So Alec Lewis from the Athletic great stuff. I think,
great insight on a number of subjects for one of
those guys who's out there each and every day, and beautifully,
you know, thankfully we've got three guys that we use,
two of them regularly regularly obviously mister Gesling and Kevin Seffert,
and I have every bit as much respect for Alec.
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I think we got good reporters on this beat.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I think they don't make stuff up. I think they're
not afraid though to analyze, to throw in some things
with the reporting as well. I think there's some outstanding
work being done in that regard. Lavelle is going to
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Speaker 1 (27:35):
Can you find a second source on this story? This
comes from I think a legitimate outlet, Access TV, which
is a big time music channel. Yeah, they're reporting that
Ace Freely is perhaps Freely I think it is? Or
is it Frehley f r e h l E y.
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I was never a big Kiss guy. The legendary tarist
and founding member of Kiss, is reportedly on life support
after suffering a brain bleed that may have resulted from
a fall in his recording student. Oh no, man, I
hope that's not true, but that's just awful news. I look.
(28:17):
I mean, you hear it over and over again, the
most maybe underreported, underrated way of harm for people regardless
of age. But I guess, especially as you get older,
is a fall on your head? You know what I'm
saying that it's he hears stories like this all of
the time. And we'll see if we getting more details
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on that.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Before we ran.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Watching him, posts reported three minutes ago that he's passed away.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
And he's passed away. Oh my goodness. At seventy four. Wow,
that's brutal.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
So they have even more recent information that did the
Access TV story. Now. I don't know if they're confirming
the cause that was the was from falling in his
U recording studio, but brutal news for Kiss fans, that's
for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Lava will join us.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
As I said at the bottom of the hour, Dan, sorry,
I've not been listening to the entire show as I
usually do.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Whife and I went to Des Moines.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
To see McCartney Tuesday, Okay, fully expecting sad kind of
old Paul. Nope, he was fantastic, one of my best
Confort concerts ever.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Highly recommend though.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Of course US Bank is not a great venue, which
is why we made the Des Moines journey.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
So where would he have performed in Des Moines?
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Probably where the Iowa Wolves in Iowa Wild Okay, I
would guess, all right, the Wells Fargo Center there.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
That would be my guess. How old is Sir Paul?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Who is older Sir Paul or Mick Jagger? It's fun, Yeah,
it's fun.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's beautiful. No, we never remember, and although he is
here a lot, so we probably do it.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I think we've done this times a year. Yeah, that's
probably true, Paul McCartney, and no indication of a.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Thaw regarding getting him on tomorrow. I have not been
given any impros. There's been no there've been no hint.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
No this has been dropped your way in that and
you've tried it all, you've done everything. We are called
Ringo Starr because you have his We've got him on text,
you've got his cell number, the text and talk more
than people know exactly right, Mick Jagger's eighty two, Paul
McCartney's eighty three, McCartney eighty three, Jagger eighty two, Ringo
Star eighty five. I didn't I guess I didn't realize
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that Ringo's older. Rod Stewart eighty. Keith Richards I am.
I mean, can we agree Keith Richards is going to
outlive all of them? He's eighty one, Oh, he's eighty one, okay,
but like in dog years, he's one hundred and twenty,
and yet he's still alive, still going strong.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It's remarkable.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
What was the joke somebody had about how I think
he's got is you have two daughters and eventually most
people assume that that he will outlive them as one
his own daughters as well, and and whatever wealth they have,
he will inherit from from them.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
That's true. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Yeah, they always say it's a shame for a parent
to outlive their children.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Sometimes it's inevitable. Yeah, Keith Richards, the concert is not
sold out? Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
That's correct? Note do we know how many tickets are
even sold for that kind of man? I'd say, no idea.
I'd say fifty five thousand. And what do we think
we have? No idea sixty? Maybe what we're going to
get in there for this is it are people? Because
we had a text on this the other day that
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people are still bitter about, you know, when it was
described as the you know, the announcement to end all
announcements and oh he can't even sell out the number
of people who are offended by that, you know, description
of the announcement. I still don't quite understand. Maybe it's
because he has been here too much. I don't know
was it last Was he here last year?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
No, it's been a couple of years, a year since
and he was in Saint Paul last time, wasn't he?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I don't remember. I've never seen him. Sure Paul was
in Saint Paul, but I could be wrong. The problem
is they build it like something that's never happened. That's
where they got in trouble because we all just guessed, right,
we all said, well, it's got to be McCartney doesn't
because it can only be like three people.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
How many people are Yeah, is it even possible to
be at this point?
Speaker 5 (32:33):
And if it wasn't one of those three people, it
would have been even more devastating.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, you're right about that.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Well, the usual capacity sixty six eight at US Bank.
They obviously don't put any behind the stage, so I
would guess it's probably high fifty.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm curious to know what he'll get. You know, what
can he command at this point? And please please let's
not have it where we are his lowest attended concert
all all tour like we like what was the case
with the Beatles.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Well, I would say that's the perfect symmetry for his
career here.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
That might be true, but.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Let's hope he doesn't get arrested or kicked out. Is
that where you're going? Well, No, I what I I.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Do wish is because I wish, I don't know how
much he The time I saw him was at target Field,
and I don't remember how much storytelling he did.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I don't recall that he did a lot, but.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I I really do wish and maybe he has told
it elsewhere at some point or other, but he would
tell the story about what happened between the Beatles and
the cops. And McCartney was the guy quoted or viewed
by the police as he's the guy they that that
the big shot police commissioner didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Like he was giving him trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
In fact, I think he complimented Ringo's demeanor and Leon
George too. So it's just a yeah. But I wonder
if he's ever again. It's a local angle. Nationally, probably
most people wouldn't give a bleep, but because we've talked
so much about that and there's been so much reported
on a low I would love to hear the backstory,
you know, how he what he thinks about the whole
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thing now, whether he denies any of it, how much
fun he could have with it. But I I don't
know how much storytelling he does, because let's face it,
he's in the in the mode now where I wouldn't
be disappointed, I'll be honest with you, I at this
point I almost would rather go watch him speak to
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a really good interviewer, conversation and an auditorium, yeah, to
talk about the history of it. Then then then have him,
you know, sing Yesterday again, although that probably wouldn't be
a bad bonus. Maybe an acoustic Yesterday from the stage
after he answers all the questions during the conversation. Seriously,
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great outstanding, wouldn't it, Yes, it would. Why is the
Bank the worst? Why is the uh Bank consider the
worst concert venue in the cities? Is it still the acoustics? Yeah,
I mean, think about it. It's just because it's so big.
It's so big, it's got glass everywhere. It's in closed,
so the noise just bounces all over the place. It's
it's not set up great, okay, And I think that's
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a little overwrought. I think we get that to me
is people starts feeding it, and that to me is
Saint Louis is a great baseball town.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You get tired of.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
It, well, you just people start saying it, so then
you start thinking it.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, you start you start believing it, and then you
go there and you got.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Maybe this does suck, But you're also like, yeah, but
it's not everything can be the Dakota or the.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Let's remember, I mean, the Metrodome was awful.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
His I gotta believe this building's better acoustically than the
Metro Maybe Metrodome was hideous, right, because nothing was updated there.
Everything was on the cheap and the Metrodome, everything including
the baseball team, they handled it well a couple of times,
but I mean I don't think there are everything's on
the cheap at and they tweaked it and they've messed
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with it, and I've been to a couple of concerts there.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I think it's fine. I'm not going to be a snob.
If I'm not going, it's not going to be because
of that.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
If I want to see McCartney, I don't care where
it is, you know, I really I don't buy the
notion that if that, if that's what's dictating your decision,
then I don't think you're that.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Just just say, hey, I just want to go. I'm
not going to mood for a concert.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah, because I don't think he's coming to play the
grand stand at the State Fair like.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I'd love to see him at the final line. Of course,
it'd be great. Do we still have concerts at the
Zoo or do they give that up? Remember the concerts
at the THEO. I do remember, it's tremendous. Yeah, I
don't remember. I think they stopped. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
All right, bottom of the hour.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Pause and we'll chat with Lavelle a day early because
with Gophers the Gophers hosting Nebraska tomorrow night, the pregame
show will start at five o'clock, so we only have
a two hour tour tomorrow, So lavel we'll join us.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
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Speaker 1 (37:08):
I want to thank our very special guests today. Alec
Lewis joined what about four forty five ish or so.
We also had the inbox opened at four o'clock. Several
outstanding contributions there. And we're out early because we got
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Vikings programming and then Thursday night football right here on
the fan this evening tomorrow, a two hour show will
include picks with Kirby as well as.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
What else do we have them? Marrow Ben guestling four
thirty regular time. We're moving away. That's the plan.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, and uh, maybe like a quick five minutes from
you from the press box, we could do that. You
got too much stuff going? Is it too busy for pregame?
I mean we don't have to. I'm just I'm off.
I mean I'm willing, i'd I'd love to have it
for like a quick five minute hit set the scene.
Big ball game for both clubs, critical game for the golfs,
Big game. Nebraska thinks they've like to think they've turned
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the corner. We'll see And you say, the latest forecast
is for not for rain, so should be already be
at dry field. Our next guest might be at the
ball game tomorrow, is that right?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Lovell? You will be at the Original Bank at Huntington
Bank Stadium.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I don't have to cover it, but I'm thinking about
going to the game because I haven't I haven't seen
a golphers playing person this year, so I kind of
like to kind of see for myself what's going on
there because I've been watching other games or been elsewhere
when they've been playing. Yeah, so I haven't seen a
lot of golf for football this year. I'd like to
kind of try my own conclusions of how this operation looks.
(38:45):
It sounds like the offensive line needs work, and it
sounds like there's no running game. And the Gophers going
into Nebraska.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, they're not stopping to run either, just like the Vikings.
They've had some issues with that. You're Illinois club boy.
They really look good against Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, you know what, they really coughed up along in
the first half with a lot of self inflicted damage.
And even then, you've got to play mistake free football
and have some things go your way when you're playing
the number one team in the nation, you know, and
the game is pretty much over halftime because of the
couple of picks they through. I think they put the
ball on the ground some Coffee counties. It was just
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real sloppy man. So Illinois has a bye week this
week to get their act together. There's a chance, I
mean they cleaned Nebraska next week. Actually, there's a chance
they could run the table and finish ten and two,
which would be pretty decent. But the two losses were
kind of embarrassing. The House State game in the absolute
the womper stopping that, the who was just put on them.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
That's very, very true. All right, where do you want
to start? What did you write about? What started being
dot com? Most recently?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Was it hockey in hockey?
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Jamie Nelson, him Cato?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Didn't you write a wild column?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Leads?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I mean, have you become mister puck all of a sudden?
What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I wrote three wild columns last week. It just happened
on the place there where I kind of did a
season preview, my expectations, and then I wrote about uh,
I wrote about cover one of the games, and I
wrote about the Caprice off, you know, being the latest
Minnesota athlete to be the highest paid player in his sport.
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So that was the one that ran on Monday.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
You or something? Is there something? I mean, does he
know something that.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Put you, you know, in a spot where you fairl
I better keep writing hockey columns or what.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
I try to stay away from falling this because I
don't know what movie he's in from day today. And
you know, he gets like he takes it as an
insult if you waiving him without actually walking up to
him and saying, Hey, what's going on, Kevin? How you
doing today? He has to like be verbally acknowledged of
his existence instead of like nonverbal communication like through it
one door or something. He's got this a romotherapy thing.
(41:02):
You know, he's going all this stuff and money's in
the middle of a mid life crisis.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I just silent.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
That's very, very possible. All right, let's talk Vikings. I
think the suspense is being eliminated, right I. You know,
we we've had there was the ongoing debate, well who
should start and who is going to start? But I felt,
as of two days ago, based on what the head
coach was saying, and what the quarterback, what JJ McCarthy
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was saying that and even what had happened most recent
game with Wentz down the stretch, that Wentz was going
to start the game. And now I don't even think
it's a matter of whether the head coach wants to
make it, you know, even if he wanted to make
a decision on the basis of personnel, I think that
option is being taken away. It's clear to me he
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was McCarthy was limited again in practice today. This is
Wednesday already, so I think it's it's done. No matter
what people think on who should start, any of the
suspenses being taken away by the fact that clearly McCarthy's
not ready.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
Yeah, if McCarthy was healthy, I think you got to
start him. I mean, you can't get to where you
want to go until JJ gets these some starts under
his belt and get some experience, and he gives you
a greater a greater idea of what he's going to
bring to the table. The man, you know, sat out
all last year, and you know he's played what two
games this year, so we still know the Viking Shower
(42:28):
what they have, you know. So but yesterday he did
it for me when he said Zanko wasn't one hundred percent.
He would like to be out there, but you know
his body has to cooperate with him. So I said,
now he's not going to play. Now, I'm curious to
see how things play out Sunday with Wins because apparently
his left show is pretty sore still. And if he
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gets hit on the right spot, does that mean it's
Max Brosemer time?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
You know, does because you're not gonna we just had
we just were talking to Alec. If you can't, really
I think have McCarthy as your backup in uniform, because
then it not well if he's good enough to be
your backup in emergency situation, why not start him? So
my gut tells me that Guardi's guy Broser is gonna
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be the backup QB to and you know and injured
Carson Wentz on Sunday. I really believe that's how it's
gonna go. I don't even think it's a controversial take
at this point.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
But it's gonna have everybody, all the golfer fans are
route if if Bros Gets a chance to uh direct
show off his hold, you know, and throw some lasers
across the field. I I mean, I'm a little curious too,
but see if he is in such a weird I
keep sinking my last year Dan because going into the
season there were so many doubts about say I'm darn
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on and we mispread that one because they d have
won their like fourteen games. So this year we all
like dounted down to like, okay, eleven or twelve wins.
JJ's the rookie. But they have a good defense and
have a great offensive line. Well, there are the injuries
on both sides. Uh offensive line just is starting to
get healthy. Defense made if this Grenard thing is real,
(44:07):
you got a hamstring? Yes, you know that means they're
two top sack guys from a year ago won't be
in the lineup against the Philadelphia Eagles team that is
hungry to re establish his ground game. I looked about
the write of call for Sunday, you know, saying, you know,
releases on the way because play cash when they're leading
tackles from a year ago is healthy to try to stop,
you know, the Eagles from rediscovering their run offense. But now,
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you know, looking at that going now, and this may
be one of those years where you're not going to
get a clear idea what JJ McCarthy can do for
a while, and you're gonna have so many injuries that
you're not going to have your best team on the field.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, And I you know, we kidded with Alec because
Alec was going through the litany of injuries, which players
might be ready to come back for the Vikings, which
might still be sidelined, and he he he was reminding
us as he did that he kind of gave us
a number of the the injury issues challenges that the
Eagles are facing. And I very sarcastically said, oh wait
(45:06):
a minute. Wait, So you're telling me we're not the
only team that ever ever gets significant injuries, And I
do think it's a story that has been overplayed in
this town.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I'm not saying these injuries don't matter. They do.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Obviously, these are key players. And I'm not saying every
team has equal luck when it comes to injuries. But
I'm guarantee you this, If we spend as much time
category cataloging the injuries of a bunch of teams in
this league, including good teams, we would be shocked to
find out that's the nature of this business anymore, that
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we're not the only team deprived of this player or
that player or had to rise above it. The fact
is there are a number of teams that have lost
significant talent for extended periods of time. And that's why,
to me, we got to stop feeling sorry for ourselves.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
I understand that this is a sport. In know if
it's gonna happen this year, but as many as three
hundred players end up on IR during the season. Three
hundred an incredible number. So everybody's trying to compensate for something. Uh,
when you're playing and you have to celebrate it when
you guys, when you get guys healthy, but improvise and overcome.
It should be a mantra that is spoken in every
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NFL training room because it's gonna be next man up.
It's gonna be you know, people filling it for others,
and you're you're hoping on being able to coach up
players to step in. You open the scheme in a
way that you know covers up your weaknesses, and you
have to win. And you know, if the games are ugly,
don't don't worry about it. If you win is a win.
(46:40):
You celebrate these wins in the NFL where reguardless of
how pathetically pleasing they are, we you know, us media jackals.
You know, we'll like to complain about Yeah, but the
only one by three didn't cover Uh they needed a
late driving the fourth quarter. That's a red flag. Yeah,
we're gonna write those stories. But the reality is, you know,
most of these games are being set up bout with
one score or eight points or stuff like that, so
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you're gonna have to fire out a ways to win
with without the without the best you have.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's just sort of the way this
thing works.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
A couple of people are demanding that I ask you
what time your apology to Chicago Bears might be?
Speaker 3 (47:19):
What I have to apologize for once three in a
row for mike yioh.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
They got a chance to go what four and two?
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Yeh, But they're five and a half point favorites against
the Saint Sunday.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
They gotta, they gotta, they got a gimme. They got
a loser proof game on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Well, hold on here, hold on with loser proof. I'm
not ready to go there. Okay, you know the Bears
are still trying to fire off. They have a left tackle,
yet they got a couple of guys injured. DJ Moore
had to spend the night in the Washington hospital. Though
they have a grind monitor for injury. You know, they're
not one hundred percent like everybody else, is it. But
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they showed some signs of sticking with it against Washington.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Actually, t J. Edwards coming back really helped.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Speaking again of injuries, you know, again I heard I'm
not going to say where somewhere on one of these
frequencies that if the Vikings had had who's our regular
right tackle, right offensive tackle, if O'Neil had played against
the Steelers, we would have won the game. And I'm going,
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okay that that sounds good. The Bears were missing. Could
the Bears say, well, if we'd have had three or
four of the five defensive starters we had out against
the Vikings, the Bears would have finished that game and
there wouldn't have been any you know, miracle comeback by
JJ McCarthy. That's why I think that game is not
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worth playing, because if you only conveniently play it when
it's your advantage, then I think you're you're not really
being very fair to what else is going on to
other teams as well.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean Brisco was Kyler Gordon
was out and was least was out without you know,
we're still learning about Caleb Williams as you have the
chops to play. This game actually looked better the last
couple of weeks. You know, it was great catching the
Cowboys when you caught when the Bears caught him because
they were able to kind of that was kind of
the get right game for them.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
By the way, I think Aikman's still mad at Caleb.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
He kept some of that. Caleb was having fun with
it on social media though, so I think he's ready
to move on on with it.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
But the rumor is for those who don't know, let
me say, is that he didn't they you know, they
they're supposed to give these briefings obviously to the play
by play guy and sometimes TV analyst, and that somehow
Caleb couldn't couldn't find time for for Troy Aikman for
old number eight.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
What's that all about?
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Yeah? Yeah, And I'm sure was upset and Aignan was
it he didn't hope back whenever Caleb like through a
pass that was out for miss Romo Goosey running down
the field until you know, three yards of separation. Yes,
and the one thought I was almost picked. Aikman was
ready to jump on her criticisms.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
He was.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
I think the criticisms were more than the praise from Aikman. So,
I mean that's his way of getting back at the
at the young man. So I hope he he's happy
with his performance on Monday Night Football. You know Caleb's
happy with his because then he ended up driving the
Bears on the field. Actually, DeAndre SWI, Yeah, it was running,
that's it exactly of winning the game.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Well, you know what, though, in all seriousness, I I
think I think you'd agree with this, Williams.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Caleb still needs to be more accurate.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
And it is a reminder that I think, and this
is what I think where Aikman is a bit of
a perfectionist, but what he knows is I mean, we
we had fun a couple of days ago with the
comment from the head coach about about the power of completions,
and really what that is is, of course, the power
of accuracy, all right, of just throwing the ball to
the to the right guy at the right time. Whether
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it's a three yard pass, don't worry if it's a
nine yard pass, just be accurate with the threat. And
I still think, even in victory, that's where Caleb's got
gotta get better. I still don't think he's up to
that place where he completely gets the you know where
he gets he gets a little off kilter and he
doesn't look like his base is very good. That's what
the best quarterbacks do, man, They complete pass after pass
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after pass.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Well, I hate to sound like O'Connell, but you know
they've had to work on Caleb Willis's footwork. He needed
that proper base under him. So when he releases, the
ball has the right revolutions and it's very accurate. They
had to because they were talking about how he was
lining up with the wrong foot, like he had his
right foot in front of him when he was getting
the Shotgune and then Johnsons like, what are you doing?
(51:41):
How are you going to get the ball out on
the quick screen pass which I like to run with
the right foot in front of you, put your left
foot out front. So a little stuff like that, Kilos
were working on and he hit some nice screenplays. Yes
on a Monday night, and yeah, taking what the defense
gives you is a good thing. But you also don't
want to throw twelve swing pass of the game either
(52:03):
if you're not getting much yards after to catch one.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Hundred percent true lavel with us for just a couple
more minutes. We were out at six for Vikings programming
and then it's Vikings Podcast Day is what it is,
and then that will be followed by Thursday Night football
the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
I believe we're in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
I think that game's in Cincy to take on the Bengals.
Michael real Quick, I saw an item I think it
was from your guy Gleaman. That caught my attention. You
know what I did? I think I retweeted it. Let
me double check if I did. I don't know if
you've heard anything about this. He tweeted that according to
(52:43):
Sam Bloom, the Angels are expected to interview Tory Hunter
and possibly rock A Ball Deli for their manager job.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Kind of interesting and see I.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
Didn't seen that one today.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
I know they interviewed Kurtzuzuki, who was also has Twins connections,
and Toy was mentioned as a possibility that the day
after the regular season ended, and then a lot of
the attentions were switched to Abba pool Holds, which threw
me for a if. I couldn't believe a guy as
accomplishment as he has been with the hundreds of millions
of dollars that he's earned, would like to would want
(53:18):
to invest that type of time to be amazing manager.
But apparently their search continues. I'm not surprised as all
that Toys talking to the Angels, and I as of
last week, the Twins that not called Toy for an interview.
I don't know I would. I would imagine if the
Twins are being thorough here, they should bring the man
in for a conversation and see what he's thinking that.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
I still like your idea of the best actually, Rouson,
but I think you got to bring him in.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Do we know that Tory wants to be a manager?
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Yeah, I think he does.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
I think he does.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
But I'm still even when he said it, I'm still
surprised at it because he's got so much going on
with his business interest. I was like, he's gonna be
able to separate these two. It just hecus and when
it takes to being a manager, it's some long hours man.
There's a lot of stuff that goes on. The managers
have to put up when you get into the you
get into the cluboffs like a you know, noon before
the seven pm game. You know, he's got to go
(54:12):
to the spring training. Just hope he's ready for the task.
You know.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
That's that's a big big uh. It's a it's a
lot of time, man, a big responsibility. It is.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
So that's interesting and interesting that Rockell was ready to
get back in. Maybe you just want to have a
conversation and make a decision, because when we swapped text
a couple of weeks ago, he indicated he wanted to
spend time with his family and then kind of figure
out what he wants to do. Maybe he's maybe he
got the is already, or maybe Arti Morino personally called
and said, I like to bring you in. He couldn't
say no to Lardi Morino.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
I don't know you could.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
The emotions change. I'm sure pretty quickly where you go. Okay, yeah,
I was, That's how I felt then. But somebody's gonna
call me. I'm gonna listen. Uh, we are out of time.
We appreciate you a day early because we as you know,
we're out early tomorrow for Gopher football where you say
you're going to be or might hang out.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Uh, So we'll talk to you next. We thank you,
Lavelle E Neil.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
The third two hour truncated program tomorrow will include the
usual that means predictions with Kirby at three point thirty
and Ben Gestling should join us at four thirty. Maybe
we'll have a little bit more in the quarterback situation
by then, although I think it's pretty much we pretty
much know how this is going to go. And as
(55:26):
I mentioned earlier Vikings Podcast, we follow up by Thursday
Night football. All that tonight in the fan we appreciate
you watching, we appreciate you listening, and we will talk
to you again tomorrow, beginning at three
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