January 7, 2026 • 62 mins
Dan is joined by former US Attorney Andy Luger with his reaction to the ICE shooting in Minneapolis today and their tactics in general through this stretch before Pat Kessler makes his weekly appearance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And it's not like the world seemed all that together
and innocent and simple yesterday, but it kind of does
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compared to today. And I bring that up because, under
circumstances did not include the Minneapolis tragedy earlier, we probably
would have talked to our next guest, not just about
Governor Walls and his decision and some other scandal related items,
but about his own knowledge regarding a song that had
its big anniversary as when it reached number one on
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the charts in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You're so vain by Carly Simon.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
He had some good background, But I think all things
being equal, we're going to leave that for another day
because it would just seem a little bit off kilter
to get into today. Andy Luger, former US attorney, kind
enough to join us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
The original plan.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I think your original interest in coming on had more
to do with the governor's decision and maybe all the blowback,
all the debate that's going on regarding where we should
be concentrating our time regarding the what seems to be
almost endless series of expensive scandals for the state of Minnesota.
And we are going to get to that, but I
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obviously we got to follow the story here. So I
don't know what you're willing to tell us today, but
I'll just open the floor to you and ask you
to give us your reaction to what took place in
what you saw.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Thanks Dan. I hate to do this by cell phone,
but I have to tonight. I investigated a number of
police officers shootings, agent and officer shootings as US attorney,
and you know, there's a screen for what you do.
It's all tragic. Watching somebody die on video is about
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as traumatic as it gets. And I've had to do
that a number of times. And I took a minute
or two because I didn't have a lot of time today,
but I did watch the video that I could find
of today's tragedy. And so you start with the fact
that this is the death of an innocent person is tragic,
and the question then goes if you're in law enforcement
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mode or prosecutor mode, which I've been. You then go
to the investigation. And I heard a little bit of
your conversation with Blair, who I adore and worked with.
He's exactly right, because everybody's going to invest it's going
to be investigated. And what I always told people who
came to me from the community, from law enforcement, from
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various angles, is the nature of an investigation is we're
going to try to get to the truth of what happened.
If you assume you know what happened before the investigation,
well then why are you asking for anybody to investigate anything.
We all can watch videos, but people need to be interviewed,
who were witnesses. The agents on the scene need to
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be heard from. Everybody needs to take a deep breath
and figure out what happened. This is tragic to me.
The greatest question here is why are we even here.
We did not need in my view, we did not
need ICE in Minneapolis and Minnesota. I said that the
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last time I think I was on your show, is
we don't need this. Illegal immigration, whatever terms you use
to define it, is not an overriding criminal issue in Minnesota.
I've lived here since nineteen ninety two. I have prosecuted
illegal immigration cases. We have far bigger problems in Minnesota,
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and that's what I would want law enforcement to be
focusing on. To have ICE agents roaming up and down
the streets is a prescription for disaster. I didn't predict this,
but I was concerned about this, and now we're here
and we've lost the life in my view, for no
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apparent reason.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
All right, you've covered a lot of ground there. I
want to stick for the moment with the first part
of what you had to say, which I find professional, mature, adult,
and reasonable. And by the way, by saying all those
things doesn't mean necessarily that you're letting the officer, the
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ice officer involved in this shooting off the hook.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Why is the position you just presented to.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Us so difficult for so many people to accept, in
this case just a couple of hours hours after this tragedy.
Why can't we breathe and slow down? That doesn't mean
not holding people accountable on the basis of the investigation.
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Why is that impossible or seemingly impossible in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
So I don't think it is. I think it feels
that way. And you said seemingly impossible. There are a
whole lot of people who jump to one side or
the other. But I firmly believe that most people say,
tell me the results of aaron, but do an investigation
talk to everybody. There may be multiple videos out there
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with different from different points of view, from different angles.
Tell do your job. When I did my investigations, I
would stand up and tell people the results of them,
and why, because what happens immediately after every one of
these is there are competing narratives. Yep. There's a now
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that says we feared for our lives. He was doing this,
she was doing that, We had to do what we do,
and therefore it was justified. And there's another narrative, and
again they're competing, that says this is completely unjustified. This
person wasn't doing anything wrong. You know, the agents or
officers and you know to shop this person with no reason.
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So you have polar opposites, and that happens pretty quickly.
Good law enforcement, good leadership, which stands up and says,
we're going to investigate this thoroughly and fairly, and we're
going to look under every rock to figure out the
best we can of what happened, and we will then
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tell you, and not just tell you our conclusion, but
to tell you everything we think is relevant to that conclusion,
so you can then make your own decisions.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Let me ask you the sixty four thousand dollars question
to offer a very dated reference there. We trust this investigation,
and I guess I probably should ask you who's doing
investigating to be fair and complete and an investigation that
does attempt to follow the facts of this particular case
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and not one or the other of those narratives.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Sure, so there'll be two investigations, and they'll be parallel.
They'll be one by the BCA. A number of years ago,
it was determined in the state of Minnesota, when there's
an officer or agent involved shooting, that BCA will do
an investigation anywhere in the state. That's number one. Because
it was a federal officer, there will, I believe, be
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an FBI investigation into the same set of circumstances. They'll
be parallel. And why is that Because there are two
sets of charges that could be brought. There are federal
charges as you saw on the Derek Choubn case, and
there are state charges as you saw Derek Chauvin case.
And so there'll be parallel investigations, in parallel reviews by
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federal and local authorities. I don't I mean, I'm concerned
about the fact that we've already had statements coming out
of Homeland Security to the effect that I mean calling her,
you know, already describing this woman who died and describing
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what happened in conclusory terms. That's not how things used
to be done. We're we're under different rules than the
ones that I've always operated under. So I did a
parallel investigation. I did parallel investigations with the Rams County
attorney and the Hennepin County attorney when I was a
US attorney, and we came to similar or same conclusions,
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but they laying out of the facts the public, the
community needs to hear if there's a prosecution, why and
if there isn't a prosecution of the of the why,
and that's the fair and right way to do it.
I think that will happen here, at least from the
BCA side, and I hope from the federal.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Side, I would suggest, and I'm curious to get your
view on this.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I don't at all appreciate what we've heard already from
Christy Nome basically, you know, judge jury and and and
basically case closed. But I also don't believe that the
mayor served anything but a performative purpose with how far
he has gone with his rhetoric as well.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
No matter what he may think and maybe even what
he thought he saw, I'm not sure that serves any
useful purpose at this early phase.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I think, I hear you. I think what he was
reacting to and what you know, for better for worse
Governor Wallace has reacted to. Is this seeming assault on
Minneapolis and the nithtota coming from the federal govern Why
on earth are ICE agents or related agents roaming the
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streets of Minneapolis or Fridley. I think Blair was saying, why,
what's the pro con on that? You know? I understand
there's a national policy about deporting illegal immigrants who are
in the agent criminal activity. That I get that, and
there's a lot more of that in Arizona, in New
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Mexico and Texas. Minneapoliss is known for that. So I
think there's a legitimate question to be asked, and I've
asked it before. Why are you here? What are you doing?
I have no sympathy for anybody, but certainly not somebody
who's here illegally who can engages in criminal activity. Lock
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them up, put them away, do those investigations. It's just
not a real important part of the criminal justice fabric
in Minnesota never has been very first case when I
moved here in nineteen ninety two was a criminal case
against an illegal immigrant who we put in prison and
then deported. I get the need to do it, but
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hundreds of agents roaming the streets, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
We are chatting with former US Attorney Andy Lueger, a
texture out of Fargo. A Dana writes, I've been told
that if the ICE agent is who did the shooting
is found to have committed a crime, the state of
Minnesota cannot prosecute him.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Perhaps Andy Luger can explain this.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, there's a nuance there. Your Texters is partially correct.
There's a nuance there a federal agent. If a federal
agent is prosecuted in state court, the federal government can
have that case removed to federal court and dismissed. We've
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looked at that in other cases. There's a procedure for that.
The question really is, and you know, God knows these days,
if there's an agreement between the states, the state and
the Feds about how something should be handled, that's a
different story. But there is a basis for the federal
government to kind of you know, step in to a
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state prosecution under the supremacy clause and other doctrines.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Do you have an opinion at all about you know,
Blair for Saint claub policy, Blair Anderson, who was just
on previously you heard I think some of that. Clearly
has strong feelings regarding the masking of ICE agents and
he had he clearly has great difficulty with that. Now
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in the wake of his discussion his comments, you know,
received a lot of text from people saying, well, there's
a lot of docsing that's going on. There's a lot
of threats that are going on, and that can't not
be left out of the discussion. You've been, you know,
in this business for a long time, So do you
have an opinion on the masking? Is there an understandable masking?
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Do you think that's not suitable as a response and
adds to the difficulty here.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Do you have any opinion on any of that?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, I do. I've heard you know, the statement made
that that you know agents are under attack and we
have to protect them. You know, if there are facts
and figures to support that, if there are real examples
to support that, the notion of masking law enforcement who
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are going into businesses, out on, going into homes to
engage in law enforcement activity. I find really troubling. And
I've never seen it before. Maybe I've missed this, but
you know, I was a prosecutor in New York. I'm
being a prosecutor in Minnesota. I am troubled by it.
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I'm troubled by just the way we're going about things
these days because across administrations, I've worked under Republican and
Democratic administrations. We've always had a set of rules about
how things were done, and those rules don't seem to
apply these days. And that is deeply troubling. And I
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go back to the fact, whether it's the texture from
Fargo or anywhere else, why are we doing this? Why
all of a sudden is do we need to have hundreds,
if not a thousand agents in Minnesota to round people up?
And we've heard stories of citizens being rounded up, you know,
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as somebody was asking Blair about, you know, well in
Europe you got to carry your papers. They were not
asking for papers. They're just grabbing people. As far as
based on what I've heard, and when have we ever
done that before? And when has that ever been acceptable?
So I think we need to be asking ourselves, whether
you're a Trump supporter or not, what are we getting
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out of this? And is the cost of this worth
whatever benefit we're getting.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Let's finish up with I think some things about what
we originally intended to talk about here, because you'd heard
some of the conversation we'd had regarding the governor's decision
to not run for a third term. I've been fairly
tough on him on a number of fronts, but I'm
curious to know your answer to this question. If if
the governor had called you, and for all we know
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he did, I don't know, But let's say make it
hypothetical and ask for an opinion on whether I should
bow out of this thing or I should stay in it.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
What would you have told him?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I think this is the right call, and here's why.
Without getting into the blame game and who's vaulved and
what you should have done. This has become such an
overriding issue in the state of Minnesota that we as citizens,
in my view, all of us Democrats Republicans, however, we're
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all so concerned about this fraud issue, and we're consumed
by it that we need to find someone, whether it's
Amy Klobashar, who I will be supporting, or one of
the Republicans, someone who can get us beyond it. We
need to fix it. We need to make sure it
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never happens again, and we need to talk about more
about our vision of Minnesota. We are so we are
so sidelined by this issue that I think it wasn't
viable to the future of Minnesota for Tim Wallz to
still be in this race, regardless of what you think
about him otherwise. That's my conclusion. And when I you know,
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when I read and saw that Amy might be getting
in this race, I thought that was fantastic because she
will take care of this. She will deal with it.
She's a no non person, She's been a prosecutor, and
her Republican opponent, whoever they are, will have to not
only engage on the fraud issue, but we'll have to
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engage on visions of Minnesota going forward, better visions of
Minnesota going forward than where we are right now. And
I look forward to that. I want that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, it will be. Do you expect that she will run?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I'm sorry, do you expect that she will indeed announce
that she's running for governor.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Based on all of the statements. Yeah, because you don't say,
as a typical matter, you don't say I'm strongly considering it.
I'm deeply considering it. There's a reason you say that
you want to hold off other folks, and other folks
who might otherwise get in will wait. She's a very serious, dedicated,
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committed public servant. She doesn't jump lightly. I watched her
make the decision to go into the Senate race way
back when, and I think she's worry deliberate.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I'd like it to happen myself. I think it'll be
good for the state. I think it'll help us reconfigure
this governor's race. And I know her well enough, and
you know, i'm a friend of hers, and I'm a
strong supporter of hers. I know she will take this
issue on and fix it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
This is my one concern if that's the way this goes,
or if Because I get your point, you're about, you know,
again doing the work that led to a number of
prosecutions that have kind of opened this door from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And that's what you believe in.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
And I think you worry that we get bogged down
in you know, the political politicizing of it, blame game,
et cetera. But I also think that if we allow
it to sort of, quote unquote go away, if Amy
Klobashar enters, we're doomed to repeat the same mistake, because
I still think the deep dive on a number of
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the warning signs that folks who were kind of viewed
as being above the politics, including the last two legislative
auditors that sent out year after year, that we're still
now hearing about we're doomed to repeat this, that that
we do need to drill down on that and get
specific as opposed to, well, Amy's here and now let's
just sort of that was the past and this wasn't
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her problem.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
She wasn't in charge.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I still think we got to do that work, and
I know it's hard in this political environment, but if
we don't, I think we're kind of missing a pretty
important point.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
No, I agree with you, and I didn't mean to
suggest otherwise. Amy will. In my view, Amy will fix this,
which means doing exactly what you just described. You can't
fix it without going to the root of the problem,
and you can't fix it without looking at the you know,
the legislative auditor reports what they're finding. Why were they
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ignored word? Why weren't they followed? Why was there this
attitude of kill the messenger with the legislative auditors who
I've worked with a bunch of them and I admired them.
I think they're terrific. I don't think we're doomed to
repeat this. I think in my view, and Amy Klobashar
candidacy and her being in the governor's chair will, in
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my view, ensure that we don't repeat it, and we're
not doing to that because she'll expose it and fixing
it requires everything you just said last one.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
As I know you have to go and we appreciate
the time. I'll leave you with this text that came
in from seven to one to five guide. I think
that would be is that Western Wisconsin. I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
this blowhard is avoiding the issue like you do, Dan.
The issue is the Somalis, and the only solution is
to deport every single one. Now this person doesn't speak
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for everybody, but that is part of the attitude.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
So instead of.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
How about the solution is to prosecute Somali anyone else
responsible for a lot of the crimes that that that
you got to the bottom of.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
But it's hard to know where we go when that is.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And I grant that sentiment andy exists among a lot
of our citizens.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So let me address that. Because you and I have
talked about this before. This is no question I blow hard.
It's not the first time anybody's said that about me.
That's okay, it's actually kind of mild imagin it takes.
They go with that this is a problem in the
Somali community, and I'm not ignoring that, and you haven't, right,
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I've said this on your show before. If there are
sixty to eighty thousand Minnesotans of Somali descent, the hundreds
who were involved in these frauds represent a small fraction.
But there's no mistake that this is a community problem
that needs to be addressed by Somali community leaders, not alone,
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but with law enforcement. And that's the conversation I want
us to have. Nobody should be shy about saying this
is not an accident. This is almost entirely within the
Somali community. We have to address that, and I've been
very public about that. Without condemning the tens of thousands
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of people of Somali descent who are living here honestly
and productively. That's number one. Number two, you can't deport
somebody who's a citizen. We indicted, and blow hard guy
needs to know this. I indicted seventy people in this fraud,
sixty nine of whom were Somali. I don't think any
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of them were here illegally. I think every single one
was a citizen. If I'm wrong about one or two,
we'll correct that. So there's nothing about the deportation. They're here,
they're here legally, and they're citizens just like you and me.
So you don't get to ship people back to wherever
they came from, which is you know what I hear
sometimes just like I can't be shipped back to Russia,
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where my grandfather was from. So people who commit crimes
who are illegal get deported. People who commit crimes who
are here legally as citizens are naturalized don't. And those
are just the rule. That's just the constitution of the
United States.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I have a wonderful dinner. We appreciate the the time.
We'll have you in studio again soon. Thanks Andy, Thanks
dam much appreciated. Andy Luger, former US attorney on a
very busy day. Kessler looks like he is studying and
trying to get the most up to date information on
this fast breaking story. And he is in studio. We
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had him on Monday when the Walls story broke. He's
going to be back with us regular time now, Ratshawn,
Brian Kafe and text line is open at six four six,
eight six, and we'll continue the discussion, probably get into
some other areas as well.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, we haven't done.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I don't believe is offered up the president's reaction yet,
which you had for me, but we never got to.
I'm sure Kessler has that in his bag of trips tricks.
I should say as well. We will continue with him
special Chase.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Now, I wish the American media would take a great
look at the views.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That the people in Congress and find out are they
co America or anti America?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
A Kissler because people have got to know whether or
not they're presidents are crump.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
But I can't trust Obama. He's a Kussler.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Tear down the dish wall.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I did nothing wrong at a Minneapolis airport.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Kessler, and now to help Dan break down all the
tough questions in politics. It's our own Kssler political Walk.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I feel like a supermodel, except like Times ten.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
It's Channel fol.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
With Dan Morero on the fan. We had him on
Monday largely to react to the news that.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Governor Walls was not going to run as originally expected
for term number three. Today's regular day, and literally did
we know there'd be a lot more news to get
to today? That I was about to say was almost
impossible to anticipate. But that's not even true, because this
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isn't sort of, you know, the old after the fact
analysis they were I was certainly among the people. I
was not at all the only one who said the
same thing. Andy Luger said the last time he was
on this show or in studio, sitting where you are now, Kessler,
that it's concerning that inevitably there's going to be the
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kind of confrontation that ultimately took place in Minneapolis earlier today,
and that's exactly where we are. So let's maybe let's start,
as late great Ron Roseman would say, at the beginning,
let's set let's go back and try to set this
story up. And then we've been on the air while
you've been continuing to monitor ongoing parts of this story.
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So give us maybe we do actually, maybe we don't
start at the beginning, maybe we work backwards. What's the
latest developments in this story from the principles.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
That in your mind are worthy of our discussion.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Well, I don't know if we we've talked about whether
or not they have now identified the victim and now
we're going to start finding out about her and her
family and all of that. But as we were on
the air till just literally seconds ago, the Department of
Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome had another press conference defending
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her ICE agent also said, I think this is newsworthy.
She said that she did speak to Governor Walls during
the last hour or so and that she expressed to
him her frustration that they cannot work together.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
She said that she.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Has a lot of trouble here in Minnesota because she
said that they can't get the city or the state
to work with them to round up illegal immigrants undocumented
people who are here. She said, we discussed our very
different viewpoints, and she acknowledged, you know, she's known these
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guys have known each other.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Gnome and Walls really for years.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Not only were they in Congress together twenty years ago,
but they were governors together South Dakota and Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Right forgot about that, and.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
So she she said, you know, we talked about all that.
We don't know the tone of that, and I'm very
interested to hear what that was all about. But she said,
she told him we've never had a cooperative agreement. She
urged the state of Minnesota to work with them as
they round up undocumented people. She defended in the last
few minutes the ICE agent who shot and killed the
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person in the car and said that, you know, I
guess we should say allegedly, because that's where we are
right now, who apparently did this allegedly, and said that
the woman in the car tried to kill him. She
said that I'm looking at the notes here. She said
that the agent shot the woman defensively, she weaponized her vehicle,
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and she was stalking and obstructing ICE agents. So I mean,
they're doubling down and saying this is all that happened.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
We don't have evidence of a lot of it. We have,
we've all seen.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
This video of the shooting itself, but we don't know
exactly what happened before the video was shot, and I'm
sure we're going to get something of that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
She also said, and I'm very curious about this.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
She said they were in they were in the middle
of trying to get their car out of the snow
that was forty you know, forty some degrees today.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I mean, they were trying to get it and then
they were obstructed by this person. One other thing, she
would not identify the agent. We don't know if this
person is on administrative lead. She said that he was
treated in a hospital. The President said that he thought
he was badly injured, and he's been released and he's
with his family. We don't know if that means here
in Minneapolis, if this is an agent. We don't know
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if this is a veteran agent or a rookie agent.
But that's what we know. The latest stuff from Chris.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Is there any video evidence to date it indicates the
vehicle action, he made contact with the officer who did
the shooting.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It's very difficult to see. We've looked at the video.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I know probably many or most of our listeners have
already looked at the vehicle, and clearly the agent was
at the front left bumper of this vehicle. We don't
know where he was exactly right before then. This all
depends on what he was seeing from his point of view.
But we could see in the video that the car
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tires were turned to the right, as if she was
trying to get away. We saw that one of the
agents had pulled on the door handle so as to
say stop.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Get out of the car, something like that. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
So they were intending to arrest this person. She was
trying to evade arrest, apparently trying to get out of there.
And it didn't look as if there was heavy contact
with the agent, but we don't know what he saw from.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
His point of view. That's why I want to see this.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yeah, I want to see that video, but gosh, did
it look like deadly force. Pretty much every agency law
enforcement in Federal State City there is a policy you
never shoot at a moving car, a moving vehicle.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well unless, yeah, unless you feel to be danger that's
the question.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
All right, let me get to this text. I'm not
going to read a.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Lot of them because, as I said, this one of
those days where I'm not sure it serves any constructive purpose.
But I've been challenged in this one, So go ahead,
I'll take the bait. This is from a seven to
sixty three guy, a Tim. He writes, I know you
won't ask Kessler on air because that's just how you
run your show. Yeah, you Dan, but I wish you
would have the guts to ask him how he felt
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about the sixteen hundred ICE arrests under the Biden administration
in twenty twenty three. Was Walls calling the Gestapo, calling
them the Gestapo? Was Fry telling Ice to get the
bleep out. No, they weren't, because they actually don't care
about the people getting arrested.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's all political theater. What would you say to Tim?
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I think Tim makes a pretty good point here. I
think that's a valid question to ask. Here is how
I understand the difference until this year.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Let's start with rhetoric.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
But go ahead, Oh yeah, I mean it's craziness, O people,
we all know this is all crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
What's happening?
Speaker 4 (32:28):
So the ICE agents and Border patrol agents were before
this year, last year with Biden, Obama, George W.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Bush, Reagan.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I'm just telling you this was targeted enforcement, meaning you
could make arrest. You go in and make arrests of
people who actually are violent criminals and get them and
get them out. This is something different. This is mass deportation.
It's not targeted. You just scoop everybody up and ground
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up the.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Usual suspect to use the line out of Casa Blanca.
There you are.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah, you go into the Fridley minards, as the chief
was saying, you go into homes in South Minneapolis, you
go into restaurants and laundry facilities, and you go to
roofing companies, and you are just scooping everybody up. So
although the President and I support it, I mean everybody does.
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I think you support getting the violent murderers and criminals.
You want to get them out of here. Absolutely, that's
targeted enforcement. This is something a lot different than that,
where with massive force, masked, armed unidentified men are jumping in,
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going into houses, all of this kind of thing, pulling
people out of cars. That's the big difference Tim seven
to six street guy.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
But it's a really good.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Question what we have not gotten to the president's statements. Thus,
what is the president all we do? We do need
to break that's right, we got to get caught up.
Let's get a quick pause in here because we went
along with Andy Lueger, we got plenty more Kessler to
get to on this and perhaps a couple other stories,
but this is obviously going to be the predominant story,
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especially related I think to what we expect tonight. And
then another thing I want to talk to you about
is the issue of what the position is of Minneapolis
Police Department when it comes to because I believe they've
said if we have to protect to keep the peace,
protect agents, that's part of what we do, even if
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we are separating ourselves from what they are here to do.
We'll get into all of that and more. Part two
with Special k in a minute. Part two with Special
K Pat Kessler. I'll throw another one at your way.
(35:00):
You you'll take them all. Six one two. Guy Kessler
is lying. Ice raids are targeted. They are targeted. They
there are just more that are here than ever before
due to Biden and Minnesota being a sanctuary. So is
he saying every person they target has a long and
by the way, some that are targeted do have a
criminal record, and that's I think, I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
A violent criminals.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
But we're not going to suggesting that's lying. You're lying, So.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Well, here's the thing. I mean, the stated goal is
mass deportation.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yes, which includes anybody who's here illegally.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So that if you're here, if you came here undocumented,
right Uh, that the logic goes regardless of crime, correct.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, That not that you have a record of crime,
right uh.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
And it could be a lot of these people that
are being swept up don't have anything, even a parking ticket.
So no, I'm going to tell you again that they
have ramped up recruitment for ICE. This is going to
be the largest police force in the nation because they're
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putting one hundred million dollars into this. They're building detention
facilities and a number of different places, including Minnesota, and
then they're going to have a place to hold them
where and then deport them.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
The strategy is mass deportation.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
So I'm sorry, that's and that's a stated goal. I mean,
I'm I'm not saying Biden.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I'm not defending Biden.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
There were hundreds of thousands of people coming in.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
He had to do something about it.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
And President Trump is at the border, at the border,
and he's end at the border. I mean, I don't
know why he just doesn't declare victory to walk away.
He is not doing He's he's doing much much more
than he ever talked about in the campaign.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
What mass deportation? So what his comments been today since
the story broke.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Well, he is in from the thirty thousand foot view.
He is defending the ICE agent and says we will
do whatever we can to protect the people who are
in danger from attack by protesters. But he's domestic terrorists,
so he's calling them domestic and during the last half
hour calls this person who was killed allegedly by the
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ICE agent.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
A domestic terrorists, a domestic terrorist.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
It says she used her car as a weapon in
domestic terrorism. Here's what the president said. He said that
he's defending the officer. This is on his truth Social
he claims that the driver was disorderly, obstructing and resisting.
I mean, you could make that legal argument, I suppose,
(37:50):
And he claims in his truth social posts. This is
the president of the United States that the woman who
was killed today viciously ran over her the ICE officer
before he shot her. My eyes say something different. That's
not what happened. From the evidence that we see, she
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didn't run over the Ice officer. Then he says the
officer is recovering in the hospital. An update he has
been released, and he says it's hard to believe he
is alive.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Again, maybe there's a tape we haven't seen.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I know.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
I mean, she didn't run over him, he did move away.
I mean that is the number one defense of police
officers that I see. If you think a car is
going to hit, you, move out of the way. And
then he labels the woman you hear in this video screaming.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Shame, shame.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Yeah, he labels her a professional agitator. I mean, we
don't know who this woman is and who knows. I mean,
this is maybe somebody who shows up at a lot
of protests, but we don't know that. And then he
blames the radical left for targeting law enforcement officers and
ICE agents on a daily basis. I mean, you could
say you could make an argument that's true. I mean, protesters,
when they hear of ICE showing up in a neighborhood,
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they come, they show up.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
What is the stated policy and position of the Minneapolis
Police Department regarding their responsibility here. They've made it clear
they have nothing to do with these raids and don't
want to have anything to do these raids. But what
I mean, part of their job is to keep the peace.
(39:29):
It is, So, how much are we ramping up in
anticipation of concern about you know, how volatile the situation
might get tonight? Is it different because it's the winter
rather than the summer or the spring. So, and what
do we know about all that regarding what the chief
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has said and what the approaches from Minneapolis police moving forward.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Well, first of all, the federal government does not and
I'm just going to say this outlaw does not have
a law that compels states and local police agencies to
cooperate with ICE. I mean, they could pass a law
saying you are required to do it. There is no
law that says this so any state, and there are
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many states that do cooperate with ICE. That's voluntary. Here
in Minnesota, there are policies. We are not a sanctuary state. However,
there are policies in place and laws in place that
restrict the activity of the Minneapolis and the Saint Paul
police departments that they're not going to arrest people, ask
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them for their papers in their cars. They're not going
to take people in jail and deliver.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Them to ice.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Those are the things that they will not do here
in Minnesota. However, if there is a problem, if there
is an altercation, if a federal officer, an ICE or
Border patrol, or an fbition is in trouble and they
call for help, the police will go there and help
them and protect them from any danger around them while
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it's happening. This happened last summer. We probably remember where
they didn't even know. And I want to point.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Out that no one knows.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
The governor pointed out today, nobody knows when they're coming,
how many people are coming, where they're going to go,
what they're doing, what time, anything. So the police find
out when anybody else everybody else does. If there is
a problem, they show up to protect the agents against
violence from protesters or whoever else is on there. Christy
(41:35):
Nome said in the last hour that they're not getting
a lot of help, but visually, just from what I know,
that's not exactly true. They showed up, and they showed
up again today to protect the ICE officers. Again, we
know nothing in these kinds of situations, and maybe we
have listeners out there who can tell me otherwise, but
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it's really unusual if there's an officer involved shooting, ohis
and the agency scoops up the officer.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
And they all leave. Everybody leaves.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
They did quote unquote interfere with the crime scene. They
were in the car doing stuff and then they left,
and the Minneapolis police had to come to put police
tape around it to protect the crime scene and keep
people away. And then as the police are leaving and they,
you know, they didn't have anything to do with this.
As the police in Minneapolis are leaving the scene, they're
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being pelted with snowballs by the protesters, and you know,
they're like, what did we do? So it's it's it's
a crazy upside down world here all right.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Top of the hour, break, we have one more segment
with Special k Keep the text coming and then we'll
prepare for We're at regular time today, six thirty.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Is that correct? What are you chuckling about? Oh?
Speaker 6 (42:56):
I was just reading something over here. I see off
topic text line. No, Oh, I'm not over here.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
It's not today, not today.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Pat Kessler back with us. Top of the hour.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
We are on until the usual time until six thirty tonight.
Do we have any sports tonight on the fan? Guardsy
any Toy Department relief.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
We are gameless tonight.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Gameless tonight, Wolves celebrating their sweep of the Miami Heat
last night. Wild or back in action?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Is it tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, because fallness would be bitter than the hockey and
Back didn't know the day. But I didn't. I don't
even know the day. On the Wolves, I mean, I
know they played last night. I don't look at the
schedule as closely as I used to.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
It is Wild weekly coming up tonight seven o'clock. All right,
even better, but no actual game. Kessler Williams Arena last
night for the Border Battle. And you know what, We're
three and one in ten. Give us the stat that
you have uncovered, or at least you have.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
I just heard this on the broadcast last night that
this is the the fastest start in the Big ten
since your guy Muscleman for a rookie, for a first
year head coach for MUSCLEMANI seventy one and seventy.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Ten, and of course his son Eric is already in town.
Unbelievable with the highly I don't know if they're ranked,
but highly thought of us Trojans, I'm going to try me.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I forgot to.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
I'm going to text him to see if there's any
chance we can get him on the Marcus I the.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
GUARDI I think they're already here.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
You were worried about their schedule because I think I
saw a picture with them having practiced at the Wolves facility.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yes, they are in town, they've been in town.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I'm trying to get see if we get worried about
getting stuck in the snow.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
What's that all about.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Well, well, you get him on, you get him on
and then talk to him about this legacy record.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah, I believed that's very true. Davy.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Let's talk a little bit about I mean, it's very
clear that Christine Noam is not waiting right, She's she's
got a story she's going to tell.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
You know, we talk all the time about let's let
all the facts come in.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Well, they're talking about that, saying let's get all the facts.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Well, but we already know them all here.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
It is.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I don't believe, quite frankly, on number of levels that
the mayor of the City of Minneapolis has bay has
basking in glory here regarding his approach either.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Though, I don't.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Well, this is a I think a fifteen minute walk
from where George Floyd was murdered.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
So we have this echo in our head, we do.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
We have this PTSD from this in twenty twenty May
of twenty twenty. So I was a little surprised to
see the anger that Mayor Jacob Fry exhibited in the
press conference today telling Ice to get the blank out
(46:20):
of Minneapolis. And also although many people might agree with
him that the explanation by Christy Noman the Department of
Homeland Security is BS except to use the.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Exactly where he spoke it, yes, and so, but he.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Was angry, but he did not urge people. He wasn't
a calming influence, let me just say that. And so
that surprised me a little bit because Governor Walls and
he has been on a tear comes out swinging, he
has been ripping away over the last few days. He
took it down a few notches today and urged people
(47:01):
to if they're going to protest, to do it patriotically
and calmly.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
And he said it would be it's the patriotic thing
to do. Yeah, we can discuss that, but the fact
is he tried. I think he tried. He was a
little more adult, I thought than the mayor has been
Let me ask you about something I mentioned off air.
Former Governor Arnie Carlson was on with my former partner
Chad Hartman yesterday, I believe, and we're way overdue to
(47:30):
have Arnie back and maybe try to do that late
this week or even in the next week. Arnie basically said,
I know it seems counterintuitive if you're Governor Wallas, but
I'd do everything in my power.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
To get on the phone with Donald J.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Trump, try to even get an in person meeting, even
though there's a million reasons to not.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Want to, including you know, double doubting.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
On the conspiracy that Walls ordered the hit, repugnant stuff,
craziness in what was it this past spring or summer
on Melissa Hortman, But that practically, you know, one thing
I always respect about Arnie is I think he's a pragmatist.
He's not a shrinking violet by any means, but I
(48:20):
think he's a he's a throwback politically to you still
got to talk to people, and you might surprise yourself
about you got to think about what you can get
out of it, forgetting the fact that you feel like
this is someone you don't have anything in common with
and I'm curious to get your view on that philosophy.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
What do you think it is so difficult to be
that person, to be a bigger person. It's so hard
to do when President Trump has been cruel and crude
and has gone after you and your family personally, and
Governor Wallas has done the same thing back to him,
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And so you got two fighters in opposite corners. But
how do you be kinder person? How do you be
a more of a moral person or a person of values?
It's so hard to do. I don't know that I
could do it. I don't know that you have to
be kinder. Okay, I think if you've you've just got
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to be strategic and all.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Right, you got to fit your tongue. But yes, the
New York mayor example, your guy, Mom, Donnie, I don't
know how long this is, This love affair is going
to last. But he goes to the prep to the
Oval office, right, and they're like, oh.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
But holding ham.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
I know, I mean he lost himself in And I
don't know who who was the one who lost himself?
Was a Trump who lost himself in? Mom Donnie's I
don't know. I mean, so yeah, I mean, so if
you approach the president that way. And I believe that
my Donnie uh privately was saying, hey, you did something great.
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You and I used your your ideas to get votes
and I got some of your voters. And if Walls
was ever able to do that, and I don't see
it right now, I don't see it. But maybe maybe
they'd get together and talk about stuff.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Who knows. I don't even know that it it. I
think went so far.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
You know you you you suggested this to me, and
I'm thinking, wow, I don't know. I can't see it
in this political environment.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
I just can't. I mean one very surprised if whatever
other political question just came to my head. And I
don't know who.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
The state legislator was who I heard saying this. I
do believe it was a Republican, but I a woman,
but I can't remember who it was suggested. And this
is a subject we've covered nationally for a long time.
In our we used to have great conversations with Joe Califano,
who worked in several presidential administrations going way way back,
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that he had a belief that one of the things
that has been lost politically in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Is the ability.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
To no matter how you feel about the person of
the other party, you've got to break bread with them,
You've got to negotiate with them. You have to humanize them.
You cannot simply demonize them. And it's easier to demonize
if you're never across a table from them, and that
(51:41):
he thinks this goes back probably ten years, that a
lot of that has been lost politically, and it hurts.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Us because then it's easier to demonize.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
The state legislator suggested a belief, and you can speak
to this, I think, whether there's some truth to it
or not, that one of the strengths. She points it
out in her mind of Mark Dayton was obviously the
other side of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
He's a lefty, right, but that.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Dayton constantly had meetings and dinners and discussions with people
that he disagreed with pretty dramatically to try to get
stuff done, and that her belief was that Walls either
didn't have the stomach for that or didn't have the
interest in that, and that those sorts of meetings sort
(52:30):
of disappeared or that approach disappeared when Dayton was no
longer in office.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
Is there any truth to that or is that oversimplifying. No,
that's absolutely true. I don't know who the legislator is
that you're talking about. I hadn't heard that particular story,
but I see that from some legislators. And I'm going
to name one senator, State Senator Julia Coleman. She is
one who says things like that. She tries to reach
out completely on the opposite side of issues. But yes,
(53:00):
having been there with Mark Dayton, he would constantly have
breakfast meetings with the groups of legislators. He would constantly
call them up, come on up to the office. They'd
have coffee, they'd have soft drinks, they do whatever, and
he was even though publicly man, they went at it
and we went through a couple of state shutdowns with
(53:21):
Mark Dayton. But yes, they had this ability to somehow
get together over over coffee, breaking bread.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Maybe we solve every other because I didn't, But there
was at least a little bit more sawing of this
frozen stuff doesn't exist now, we don't have it.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
We don't have that right now. It's absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
We appreciate the time, what a time we're in, man,
Believe me, I know and will look for the best
tonight YEP obviously, and moving forward, it does sound like
do we know how big the presence is going to
be from a police standpoint tonight?
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Well, we want to point out that Governor Wallas was
urging people to be peaceful, of course, but he has
put on alert the Minnesota National Guard and he's prepared
to call out the Guard should it be needed.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
We all hope that that doesn't happen, and of course
that we don't recreate what happened here in Minneapolis not
too long ago. So yeah, there's going to be a
police presence, but I think there's going to be a
protester presence.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Also, thank you Pat Casler, you bet extra duty this week,
outstanding work as always. Well, pause, we'll wrap up the show,
remind you what you missed on a very busy program
today and what's coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (54:38):
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Speaker 2 (54:43):
It's the Bumper to Bumper Show. Wrap a very busy
program today.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
As one might expect, we'd had locked in on the
front end.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
A couple of Toy Department guests.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
We stuck with them even as we tried to address
the A section story early and then a lot really
all for the last better part of the last two hours.
Mike Conley, if you missed him, he joined us about
three forty or so. Good stuff from him on Rudy Gobert,
Good stuff from him on not even knowing what Rudy
(55:19):
had said to reporters, brilliant, which was pretty funny, and
a little bit about what he sees regarding the connectedness
of your favorite basketball team. The question is always how
long it will last. But they're probably playing over all
their best stretch of basketball right now. Glenn Mason at
(55:40):
four with a testimonial to my Indiana football Hoosiers and
a couple of other stories, but a lot on that.
Really what did he nickname the guy who wasn't lou
Nanny Joey D Joey D of Idyna and the guests
assumed that he met Louis, but.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
He said he wasn't. No mocking Louie.
Speaker 6 (56:03):
No, but Mace was with us between four and four
to thirty. Some guy that he told to listen, they're
probably playing golf tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
No, Yeah, I'm sure that's what a lot of it is. Yeah,
he's always got some friend. He needs to shout.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Out Blair Anderson, former Saint Cloud police chief, on the
subject of the day.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
He joined about four point thirty.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
A lot of people agreed with him, some people not
so much, but that's why he's such.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
An effective guest.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
In addition, former US Attorney Andy Lueger joined by phone
at five oh two. He hates being on by phone,
but today it was necessary because of some other arrangements.
We'll try to get him in studio soon. A luger
a reaction to the shooting today. Part of it with
him was less willing to take a stand on what
(56:52):
took place, perish the thought that he might want to
wait five minutes, get more information and let the story
play out a little bit, and more on how the
investigation might go forward.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
And then we got back to the governor.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Wall's decision yesterday with Andy between five and five thirty,
Kessler with us from five thirty until just a few
moments ago. Tomorrow is going to be a busy show,
as it turns out as well. Sean Salisbury is I
think scheduled or confirmed for three point thirty. We'll do
his post mortem on the vikings and maybe give him
(57:28):
a chance to talk about the wildcard round of the
National Football League playoffs and all the coaching openings.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
I think now up to seven for the moment at least.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
In addition, Russo Radio is scheduled for tomorrow, and a
number of people had asked how quickly we would have
Michael Hurley on to talk international geopolitics. There's so much
to get to that we've barely covered, regarding South America,
regarding Greenland, regarding Cuba, and who knows what else. Mike
(58:03):
Curley is going to join us tomorrow, you mentioned likely
between four and five or that probably makes the most sense,
and we'll get to hockey with Russo tonight. I mean
it is I'm not call it the abyss, but the
seasonal boost is over. Vikings programming obviously has come to
an end because their season, Yeah is over, correct, it
(58:24):
is over.
Speaker 6 (58:24):
I think the main principles for the Vikings are talking tomorrow, KOC.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
We might get some for sure. Are they the only
two speaking? I don't know. As far as we know,
I don't be true.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Tonight Fan and de Man will follow this program and
then it will be wild weekly.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
Is that an hour show or two hours?
Speaker 6 (58:46):
That's thirty. Well, that show should be an hon I know,
and usually if Fallness is in charge, like just eighteen
and they just rerun so reracks. So let's hear Joe
O'Donnell talking with brock Faber after the victory two nights ago.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
That's a pretty good what about haven't they like? Hasn't
he run the bill? His latest Bill Garran interview like
seven times?
Speaker 6 (59:05):
I know exactly how Garen feels about picking Team USA
because I've heard it multiple times more than Sarah Spain.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
We'll try to get Garon.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Back maybe next week as well, and we can talk
about the Olympics selections. It's got to be good to
be Bill Garon right now, right in a sense because
he makes the big move, it gets a lot of attention.
Team is you know, notwithstanding what happened the other day
against the Kings, the club is in a pretty good
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position compared to what it was several weeks ago. And
he's mister Olympics right. Yeah, Now you got to go
in the golden middle of everything. That's the pressure, that's
the pressure of it. But it's gonna be I'm sure
it's going to be fun to go to Italy and
hang out. Yeah, that's a good point. Now that's the
thing we need to talk to. We have to get
him on on a regular basis from Italy. He's got
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to find a way to find time for us to
do that. I got to do that every day. Well
he's there too. Yeah, he's covering the women I believe outstanding.
That's what used to do. We milk the hell out
of both of those stories. We're big Olympics guys on
this show, so I'd love to get the time or
two with with Aaron and we know we can count
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on Russo Radio like.
Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
We did with Cheryl Reeve last summer or the Paris Olympics,
some great conversations about the team, how they picked the players,
it was some of my favorite.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Should have run those for best of almost Fran targeted
like you're right about that. Ordinarily, without the tragedy of
earlier today, we probably would have spent some time on
the Golden Gopher men's basketball upset victory at home against
another ranked team.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Was it Iowa rank nineteen?
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
They were, and they held on three straight three pointers,
the second one in and out It was that would
have tied the game, perhaps sending an ot and the
Gophers prevail. Still are we still playing like six and
a half people? Yes, it's exactly amazing. Yeah, so I
am going to try to get uh see if we
(01:01:05):
can get Eric squeeze Eric Musselman in tomorrow too, if
at all possible, because his USC Trojan team is in town.
We've had a good relationship with Eric over the years.
Would be good to catch up with him. We'll see
if we can get that done. So it might add
to an already very busy show, but we're full three
and a half tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (01:01:21):
There's no Minnesota Vikings podcasts, none of.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
That, none of it. That's very unfortunate. And we have
no leaders.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Is there any Are there any rumors circulating regarding b flow,
regarding a specific head coaching job, I haven't seen. Everybody
seems to think the Raiders would make the most sense,
But then do you want to be there?
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I mean the Raiders are a mess. Who's there? You
don't have a quarterback there, dude, that's part of the problem. Yeah,
unless break their best quarterback he is, maybe he would
come back. Who's to say?
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Thank you very much for listening, thanks for watching, and
we will check with you tomorrow. Begin at three o'clock
right here on the worldwide leader the Faith Need America
And it's not like the world seemed all that together
and innocent and simple yesterday, but it kind of does
(00:21):
compared to today. And I bring that up because, under
circumstances did not include the Minneapolis tragedy earlier, we probably
would have talked to our next guest, not just about
Governor Walls and his decision and some other scandal related items,
but about his own knowledge regarding a song that had
its big anniversary as when it reached number one on
(00:45):
the charts in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You're so vain by Carly Simon.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
He had some good background, But I think all things
being equal, we're going to leave that for another day
because it would just seem a little bit off kilter
to get into today. Andy Luger, former US attorney, kind
enough to join us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
The original plan.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I think your original interest in coming on had more
to do with the governor's decision and maybe all the blowback,
all the debate that's going on regarding where we should
be concentrating our time regarding the what seems to be
almost endless series of expensive scandals for the state of Minnesota.
And we are going to get to that, but I
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obviously we got to follow the story here. So I
don't know what you're willing to tell us today, but
I'll just open the floor to you and ask you
to give us your reaction to what took place in
what you saw.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Thanks Dan. I hate to do this by cell phone,
but I have to tonight. I investigated a number of
police officers shootings, agent and officer shootings as US attorney,
and you know, there's a screen for what you do.
It's all tragic. Watching somebody die on video is about
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as traumatic as it gets. And I've had to do
that a number of times. And I took a minute
or two because I didn't have a lot of time today,
but I did watch the video that I could find
of today's tragedy. And so you start with the fact
that this is the death of an innocent person is tragic,
and the question then goes if you're in law enforcement
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mode or prosecutor mode, which I've been. You then go
to the investigation. And I heard a little bit of
your conversation with Blair, who I adore and worked with.
He's exactly right, because everybody's going to invest it's going
to be investigated. And what I always told people who
came to me from the community, from law enforcement, from
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various angles, is the nature of an investigation is we're
going to try to get to the truth of what happened.
If you assume you know what happened before the investigation,
well then why are you asking for anybody to investigate anything.
We all can watch videos, but people need to be interviewed,
who were witnesses. The agents on the scene need to
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be heard from. Everybody needs to take a deep breath
and figure out what happened. This is tragic to me.
The greatest question here is why are we even here.
We did not need in my view, we did not
need ICE in Minneapolis and Minnesota. I said that the
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last time I think I was on your show, is
we don't need this. Illegal immigration, whatever terms you use
to define it, is not an overriding criminal issue in Minnesota.
I've lived here since nineteen ninety two. I have prosecuted
illegal immigration cases. We have far bigger problems in Minnesota,
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and that's what I would want law enforcement to be
focusing on. To have ICE agents roaming up and down
the streets is a prescription for disaster. I didn't predict this,
but I was concerned about this, and now we're here
and we've lost the life in my view, for no
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apparent reason.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
All right, you've covered a lot of ground there. I
want to stick for the moment with the first part
of what you had to say, which I find professional, mature, adult,
and reasonable. And by the way, by saying all those
things doesn't mean necessarily that you're letting the officer, the
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ice officer involved in this shooting off the hook.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Why is the position you just presented to.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Us so difficult for so many people to accept, in
this case just a couple of hours hours after this tragedy.
Why can't we breathe and slow down? That doesn't mean
not holding people accountable on the basis of the investigation.
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Why is that impossible or seemingly impossible in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
So I don't think it is. I think it feels
that way. And you said seemingly impossible. There are a
whole lot of people who jump to one side or
the other. But I firmly believe that most people say,
tell me the results of aaron, but do an investigation
talk to everybody. There may be multiple videos out there
(05:38):
with different from different points of view, from different angles.
Tell do your job. When I did my investigations, I
would stand up and tell people the results of them,
and why, because what happens immediately after every one of
these is there are competing narratives. Yep. There's a now
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that says we feared for our lives. He was doing this,
she was doing that, We had to do what we do,
and therefore it was justified. And there's another narrative, and
again they're competing, that says this is completely unjustified. This
person wasn't doing anything wrong. You know, the agents or
officers and you know to shop this person with no reason.
(06:22):
So you have polar opposites, and that happens pretty quickly.
Good law enforcement, good leadership, which stands up and says,
we're going to investigate this thoroughly and fairly, and we're
going to look under every rock to figure out the
best we can of what happened, and we will then
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tell you, and not just tell you our conclusion, but
to tell you everything we think is relevant to that conclusion,
so you can then make your own decisions.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Let me ask you the sixty four thousand dollars question
to offer a very dated reference there. We trust this investigation,
and I guess I probably should ask you who's doing
investigating to be fair and complete and an investigation that
does attempt to follow the facts of this particular case
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and not one or the other of those narratives.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Sure, so there'll be two investigations, and they'll be parallel.
They'll be one by the BCA. A number of years ago,
it was determined in the state of Minnesota, when there's
an officer or agent involved shooting, that BCA will do
an investigation anywhere in the state. That's number one. Because
it was a federal officer, there will, I believe, be
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an FBI investigation into the same set of circumstances. They'll
be parallel. And why is that Because there are two
sets of charges that could be brought. There are federal
charges as you saw on the Derek Choubn case, and
there are state charges as you saw Derek Chauvin case.
And so there'll be parallel investigations, in parallel reviews by
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federal and local authorities. I don't I mean, I'm concerned
about the fact that we've already had statements coming out
of Homeland Security to the effect that I mean calling her,
you know, already describing this woman who died and describing
(08:26):
what happened in conclusory terms. That's not how things used
to be done. We're we're under different rules than the
ones that I've always operated under. So I did a
parallel investigation. I did parallel investigations with the Rams County
attorney and the Hennepin County attorney when I was a
US attorney, and we came to similar or same conclusions,
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but they laying out of the facts the public, the
community needs to hear if there's a prosecution, why and
if there isn't a prosecution of the of the why,
and that's the fair and right way to do it.
I think that will happen here, at least from the
BCA side, and I hope from the federal.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Side, I would suggest, and I'm curious to get your
view on this.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I don't at all appreciate what we've heard already from
Christy Nome basically, you know, judge jury and and and
basically case closed. But I also don't believe that the
mayor served anything but a performative purpose with how far
he has gone with his rhetoric as well.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
No matter what he may think and maybe even what
he thought he saw, I'm not sure that serves any
useful purpose at this early phase.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I think, I hear you. I think what he was
reacting to and what you know, for better for worse
Governor Wallace has reacted to. Is this seeming assault on
Minneapolis and the nithtota coming from the federal govern Why
on earth are ICE agents or related agents roaming the
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streets of Minneapolis or Fridley. I think Blair was saying, why,
what's the pro con on that? You know? I understand
there's a national policy about deporting illegal immigrants who are
in the agent criminal activity. That I get that, and
there's a lot more of that in Arizona, in New
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Mexico and Texas. Minneapoliss is known for that. So I
think there's a legitimate question to be asked, and I've
asked it before. Why are you here? What are you doing?
I have no sympathy for anybody, but certainly not somebody
who's here illegally who can engages in criminal activity. Lock
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them up, put them away, do those investigations. It's just
not a real important part of the criminal justice fabric
in Minnesota never has been very first case when I
moved here in nineteen ninety two was a criminal case
against an illegal immigrant who we put in prison and
then deported. I get the need to do it, but
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hundreds of agents roaming the streets, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
We are chatting with former US Attorney Andy Lueger, a
texture out of Fargo. A Dana writes, I've been told
that if the ICE agent is who did the shooting
is found to have committed a crime, the state of
Minnesota cannot prosecute him.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Perhaps Andy Luger can explain this.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, there's a nuance there. Your Texters is partially correct.
There's a nuance there a federal agent. If a federal
agent is prosecuted in state court, the federal government can
have that case removed to federal court and dismissed. We've
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looked at that in other cases. There's a procedure for that.
The question really is, and you know, God knows these days,
if there's an agreement between the states, the state and
the Feds about how something should be handled, that's a
different story. But there is a basis for the federal
government to kind of you know, step in to a
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state prosecution under the supremacy clause and other doctrines.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Do you have an opinion at all about you know,
Blair for Saint claub policy, Blair Anderson, who was just
on previously you heard I think some of that. Clearly
has strong feelings regarding the masking of ICE agents and
he had he clearly has great difficulty with that. Now
(12:39):
in the wake of his discussion his comments, you know,
received a lot of text from people saying, well, there's
a lot of docsing that's going on. There's a lot
of threats that are going on, and that can't not
be left out of the discussion. You've been, you know,
in this business for a long time, So do you
have an opinion on the masking? Is there an understandable masking?
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Do you think that's not suitable as a response and
adds to the difficulty here.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Do you have any opinion on any of that?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, I do. I've heard you know, the statement made
that that you know agents are under attack and we
have to protect them. You know, if there are facts
and figures to support that, if there are real examples
to support that, the notion of masking law enforcement who
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are going into businesses, out on, going into homes to
engage in law enforcement activity. I find really troubling. And
I've never seen it before. Maybe I've missed this, but
you know, I was a prosecutor in New York. I'm
being a prosecutor in Minnesota. I am troubled by it.
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I'm troubled by just the way we're going about things
these days because across administrations, I've worked under Republican and
Democratic administrations. We've always had a set of rules about
how things were done, and those rules don't seem to
apply these days. And that is deeply troubling. And I
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go back to the fact, whether it's the texture from
Fargo or anywhere else, why are we doing this? Why
all of a sudden is do we need to have hundreds,
if not a thousand agents in Minnesota to round people up?
And we've heard stories of citizens being rounded up, you know,
(14:40):
as somebody was asking Blair about, you know, well in
Europe you got to carry your papers. They were not
asking for papers. They're just grabbing people. As far as
based on what I've heard, and when have we ever
done that before? And when has that ever been acceptable?
So I think we need to be asking ourselves, whether
you're a Trump supporter or not, what are we getting
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out of this? And is the cost of this worth
whatever benefit we're getting.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Let's finish up with I think some things about what
we originally intended to talk about here, because you'd heard
some of the conversation we'd had regarding the governor's decision
to not run for a third term. I've been fairly
tough on him on a number of fronts, but I'm
curious to know your answer to this question. If if
the governor had called you, and for all we know
(15:30):
he did, I don't know, But let's say make it
hypothetical and ask for an opinion on whether I should
bow out of this thing or I should stay in it.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
What would you have told him?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I think this is the right call, and here's why.
Without getting into the blame game and who's vaulved and
what you should have done. This has become such an
overriding issue in the state of Minnesota that we as citizens,
in my view, all of us Democrats Republicans, however, we're
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all so concerned about this fraud issue, and we're consumed
by it that we need to find someone, whether it's
Amy Klobashar, who I will be supporting, or one of
the Republicans, someone who can get us beyond it. We
need to fix it. We need to make sure it
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never happens again, and we need to talk about more
about our vision of Minnesota. We are so we are
so sidelined by this issue that I think it wasn't
viable to the future of Minnesota for Tim Wallz to
still be in this race, regardless of what you think
about him otherwise. That's my conclusion. And when I you know,
(16:48):
when I read and saw that Amy might be getting
in this race, I thought that was fantastic because she
will take care of this. She will deal with it.
She's a no non person, She's been a prosecutor, and
her Republican opponent, whoever they are, will have to not
only engage on the fraud issue, but we'll have to
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engage on visions of Minnesota going forward, better visions of
Minnesota going forward than where we are right now. And
I look forward to that. I want that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, it will be. Do you expect that she will run?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I'm sorry, do you expect that she will indeed announce
that she's running for governor.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Based on all of the statements. Yeah, because you don't say,
as a typical matter, you don't say I'm strongly considering it.
I'm deeply considering it. There's a reason you say that
you want to hold off other folks, and other folks
who might otherwise get in will wait. She's a very serious, dedicated,
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committed public servant. She doesn't jump lightly. I watched her
make the decision to go into the Senate race way
back when, and I think she's worry deliberate.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I'd like it to happen myself. I think it'll be
good for the state. I think it'll help us reconfigure
this governor's race. And I know her well enough, and
you know, i'm a friend of hers, and I'm a
strong supporter of hers. I know she will take this
issue on and fix it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
This is my one concern if that's the way this goes,
or if Because I get your point, you're about, you know,
again doing the work that led to a number of
prosecutions that have kind of opened this door from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And that's what you believe in.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
And I think you worry that we get bogged down
in you know, the political politicizing of it, blame game,
et cetera. But I also think that if we allow
it to sort of, quote unquote go away, if Amy
Klobashar enters, we're doomed to repeat the same mistake, because
I still think the deep dive on a number of
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the warning signs that folks who were kind of viewed
as being above the politics, including the last two legislative
auditors that sent out year after year, that we're still
now hearing about we're doomed to repeat this, that that
we do need to drill down on that and get
specific as opposed to, well, Amy's here and now let's
just sort of that was the past and this wasn't
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her problem.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
She wasn't in charge.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I still think we got to do that work, and
I know it's hard in this political environment, but if
we don't, I think we're kind of missing a pretty
important point.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
No, I agree with you, and I didn't mean to
suggest otherwise. Amy will. In my view, Amy will fix this,
which means doing exactly what you just described. You can't
fix it without going to the root of the problem,
and you can't fix it without looking at the you know,
the legislative auditor reports what they're finding. Why were they
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ignored word? Why weren't they followed? Why was there this
attitude of kill the messenger with the legislative auditors who
I've worked with a bunch of them and I admired them.
I think they're terrific. I don't think we're doomed to
repeat this. I think in my view, and Amy Klobashar
candidacy and her being in the governor's chair will, in
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my view, ensure that we don't repeat it, and we're
not doing to that because she'll expose it and fixing
it requires everything you just said last one.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
As I know you have to go and we appreciate
the time. I'll leave you with this text that came
in from seven to one to five guide. I think
that would be is that Western Wisconsin. I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
this blowhard is avoiding the issue like you do, Dan.
The issue is the Somalis, and the only solution is
to deport every single one. Now this person doesn't speak
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for everybody, but that is part of the attitude.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
So instead of.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
How about the solution is to prosecute Somali anyone else
responsible for a lot of the crimes that that that
you got to the bottom of.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
But it's hard to know where we go when that is.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And I grant that sentiment andy exists among a lot
of our citizens.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So let me address that. Because you and I have
talked about this before. This is no question I blow hard.
It's not the first time anybody's said that about me.
That's okay, it's actually kind of mild imagin it takes.
They go with that this is a problem in the
Somali community, and I'm not ignoring that, and you haven't, right,
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I've said this on your show before. If there are
sixty to eighty thousand Minnesotans of Somali descent, the hundreds
who were involved in these frauds represent a small fraction.
But there's no mistake that this is a community problem
that needs to be addressed by Somali community leaders, not alone,
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but with law enforcement. And that's the conversation I want
us to have. Nobody should be shy about saying this
is not an accident. This is almost entirely within the
Somali community. We have to address that, and I've been
very public about that. Without condemning the tens of thousands
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of people of Somali descent who are living here honestly
and productively. That's number one. Number two, you can't deport
somebody who's a citizen. We indicted, and blow hard guy
needs to know this. I indicted seventy people in this fraud,
sixty nine of whom were Somali. I don't think any
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of them were here illegally. I think every single one
was a citizen. If I'm wrong about one or two,
we'll correct that. So there's nothing about the deportation. They're here,
they're here legally, and they're citizens just like you and me.
So you don't get to ship people back to wherever
they came from, which is you know what I hear
sometimes just like I can't be shipped back to Russia,
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where my grandfather was from. So people who commit crimes
who are illegal get deported. People who commit crimes who
are here legally as citizens are naturalized don't. And those
are just the rule. That's just the constitution of the
United States.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I have a wonderful dinner. We appreciate the the time.
We'll have you in studio again soon. Thanks Andy, Thanks
dam much appreciated. Andy Luger, former US attorney on a
very busy day. Kessler looks like he is studying and
trying to get the most up to date information on
this fast breaking story. And he is in studio. We
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had him on Monday when the Walls story broke. He's
going to be back with us regular time now, Ratshawn,
Brian Kafe and text line is open at six four six,
eight six, and we'll continue the discussion, probably get into
some other areas as well.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, we haven't done.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I don't believe is offered up the president's reaction yet,
which you had for me, but we never got to.
I'm sure Kessler has that in his bag of trips tricks.
I should say as well. We will continue with him
special Chase.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Now, I wish the American media would take a great
look at the views.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That the people in Congress and find out are they
co America or anti America?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
A Kissler because people have got to know whether or
not they're presidents are crump.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
But I can't trust Obama. He's a Kussler.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Tear down the dish wall.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I did nothing wrong at a Minneapolis airport.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Kessler, and now to help Dan break down all the
tough questions in politics. It's our own Kssler political Walk.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I feel like a supermodel, except like Times ten.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
It's Channel fol.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
With Dan Morero on the fan. We had him on
Monday largely to react to the news that.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Governor Walls was not going to run as originally expected
for term number three. Today's regular day, and literally did
we know there'd be a lot more news to get
to today? That I was about to say was almost
impossible to anticipate. But that's not even true, because this
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isn't sort of, you know, the old after the fact
analysis they were I was certainly among the people. I
was not at all the only one who said the
same thing. Andy Luger said the last time he was
on this show or in studio, sitting where you are now, Kessler,
that it's concerning that inevitably there's going to be the
(25:58):
kind of confrontation that ultimately took place in Minneapolis earlier today,
and that's exactly where we are. So let's maybe let's start,
as late great Ron Roseman would say, at the beginning,
let's set let's go back and try to set this
story up. And then we've been on the air while
you've been continuing to monitor ongoing parts of this story.
(26:21):
So give us maybe we do actually, maybe we don't
start at the beginning, maybe we work backwards. What's the
latest developments in this story from the principles.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
That in your mind are worthy of our discussion.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Well, I don't know if we we've talked about whether
or not they have now identified the victim and now
we're going to start finding out about her and her
family and all of that. But as we were on
the air till just literally seconds ago, the Department of
Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome had another press conference defending
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her ICE agent also said, I think this is newsworthy.
She said that she did speak to Governor Walls during
the last hour or so and that she expressed to
him her frustration that they cannot work together.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
She said that she.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Has a lot of trouble here in Minnesota because she
said that they can't get the city or the state
to work with them to round up illegal immigrants undocumented
people who are here. She said, we discussed our very
different viewpoints, and she acknowledged, you know, she's known these
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guys have known each other.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Gnome and Walls really for years.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Not only were they in Congress together twenty years ago,
but they were governors together South Dakota and Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Right forgot about that, and.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
So she she said, you know, we talked about all that.
We don't know the tone of that, and I'm very
interested to hear what that was all about. But she said,
she told him we've never had a cooperative agreement. She
urged the state of Minnesota to work with them as
they round up undocumented people. She defended in the last
few minutes the ICE agent who shot and killed the
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person in the car and said that, you know, I
guess we should say allegedly, because that's where we are
right now, who apparently did this allegedly, and said that
the woman in the car tried to kill him. She
said that I'm looking at the notes here. She said
that the agent shot the woman defensively, she weaponized her vehicle,
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and she was stalking and obstructing ICE agents. So I mean,
they're doubling down and saying this is all that happened.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
We don't have evidence of a lot of it. We have,
we've all seen.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
This video of the shooting itself, but we don't know
exactly what happened before the video was shot, and I'm
sure we're going to get something of that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
She also said, and I'm very curious about this.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
She said they were in they were in the middle
of trying to get their car out of the snow
that was forty you know, forty some degrees today.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I mean, they were trying to get it and then
they were obstructed by this person. One other thing, she
would not identify the agent. We don't know if this
person is on administrative lead. She said that he was
treated in a hospital. The President said that he thought
he was badly injured, and he's been released and he's
with his family. We don't know if that means here
in Minneapolis, if this is an agent. We don't know
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if this is a veteran agent or a rookie agent.
But that's what we know. The latest stuff from Chris.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Is there any video evidence to date it indicates the
vehicle action, he made contact with the officer who did
the shooting.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It's very difficult to see. We've looked at the video.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I know probably many or most of our listeners have
already looked at the vehicle, and clearly the agent was
at the front left bumper of this vehicle. We don't
know where he was exactly right before then. This all
depends on what he was seeing from his point of view.
But we could see in the video that the car
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tires were turned to the right, as if she was
trying to get away. We saw that one of the
agents had pulled on the door handle so as to
say stop.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Get out of the car, something like that. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
So they were intending to arrest this person. She was
trying to evade arrest, apparently trying to get out of there.
And it didn't look as if there was heavy contact
with the agent, but we don't know what he saw from.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
His point of view. That's why I want to see this.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yeah, I want to see that video, but gosh, did
it look like deadly force. Pretty much every agency law
enforcement in Federal State City there is a policy you
never shoot at a moving car, a moving vehicle.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well unless, yeah, unless you feel to be danger that's
the question.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
All right, let me get to this text. I'm not
going to read a.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Lot of them because, as I said, this one of
those days where I'm not sure it serves any constructive purpose.
But I've been challenged in this one, So go ahead,
I'll take the bait. This is from a seven to
sixty three guy, a Tim. He writes, I know you
won't ask Kessler on air because that's just how you
run your show. Yeah, you Dan, but I wish you
would have the guts to ask him how he felt
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about the sixteen hundred ICE arrests under the Biden administration
in twenty twenty three. Was Walls calling the Gestapo, calling
them the Gestapo? Was Fry telling Ice to get the
bleep out. No, they weren't, because they actually don't care
about the people getting arrested.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's all political theater. What would you say to Tim?
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I think Tim makes a pretty good point here. I
think that's a valid question to ask. Here is how
I understand the difference until this year.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Let's start with rhetoric.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
But go ahead, Oh yeah, I mean it's craziness, O people,
we all know this is all crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
What's happening?
Speaker 4 (32:28):
So the ICE agents and Border patrol agents were before
this year, last year with Biden, Obama, George W.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Bush, Reagan.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I'm just telling you this was targeted enforcement, meaning you
could make arrest. You go in and make arrests of
people who actually are violent criminals and get them and
get them out. This is something different. This is mass deportation.
It's not targeted. You just scoop everybody up and ground
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up the.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Usual suspect to use the line out of Casa Blanca.
There you are.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah, you go into the Fridley minards, as the chief
was saying, you go into homes in South Minneapolis, you
go into restaurants and laundry facilities, and you go to
roofing companies, and you are just scooping everybody up. So
although the President and I support it, I mean everybody does.
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I think you support getting the violent murderers and criminals.
You want to get them out of here. Absolutely, that's
targeted enforcement. This is something a lot different than that,
where with massive force, masked, armed unidentified men are jumping in,
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going into houses, all of this kind of thing, pulling
people out of cars. That's the big difference Tim seven
to six street guy.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
But it's a really good.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Question what we have not gotten to the president's statements. Thus,
what is the president all we do? We do need
to break that's right, we got to get caught up.
Let's get a quick pause in here because we went
along with Andy Lueger, we got plenty more Kessler to
get to on this and perhaps a couple other stories,
but this is obviously going to be the predominant story,
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especially related I think to what we expect tonight. And
then another thing I want to talk to you about
is the issue of what the position is of Minneapolis
Police Department when it comes to because I believe they've
said if we have to protect to keep the peace,
protect agents, that's part of what we do, even if
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we are separating ourselves from what they are here to do.
We'll get into all of that and more. Part two
with Special k in a minute. Part two with Special
K Pat Kessler. I'll throw another one at your way.
(35:00):
You you'll take them all. Six one two. Guy Kessler
is lying. Ice raids are targeted. They are targeted. They
there are just more that are here than ever before
due to Biden and Minnesota being a sanctuary. So is
he saying every person they target has a long and
by the way, some that are targeted do have a
criminal record, and that's I think, I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
A violent criminals.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
But we're not going to suggesting that's lying. You're lying, So.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Well, here's the thing. I mean, the stated goal is
mass deportation.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yes, which includes anybody who's here illegally.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So that if you're here, if you came here undocumented,
right Uh, that the logic goes regardless of crime, correct.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, That not that you have a record of crime,
right uh.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
And it could be a lot of these people that
are being swept up don't have anything, even a parking ticket.
So no, I'm going to tell you again that they
have ramped up recruitment for ICE. This is going to
be the largest police force in the nation because they're
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putting one hundred million dollars into this. They're building detention
facilities and a number of different places, including Minnesota, and
then they're going to have a place to hold them
where and then deport them.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
The strategy is mass deportation.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
So I'm sorry, that's and that's a stated goal. I mean,
I'm I'm not saying Biden.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I'm not defending Biden.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
There were hundreds of thousands of people coming in.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
He had to do something about it.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
And President Trump is at the border, at the border,
and he's end at the border. I mean, I don't
know why he just doesn't declare victory to walk away.
He is not doing He's he's doing much much more
than he ever talked about in the campaign.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
What mass deportation? So what his comments been today since
the story broke.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Well, he is in from the thirty thousand foot view.
He is defending the ICE agent and says we will
do whatever we can to protect the people who are
in danger from attack by protesters. But he's domestic terrorists,
so he's calling them domestic and during the last half
hour calls this person who was killed allegedly by the
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ICE agent.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
A domestic terrorists, a domestic terrorist.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
It says she used her car as a weapon in
domestic terrorism. Here's what the president said. He said that
he's defending the officer. This is on his truth Social
he claims that the driver was disorderly, obstructing and resisting.
I mean, you could make that legal argument, I suppose,
(37:50):
And he claims in his truth social posts. This is
the president of the United States that the woman who
was killed today viciously ran over her the ICE officer
before he shot her. My eyes say something different. That's
not what happened. From the evidence that we see, she
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didn't run over the Ice officer. Then he says the
officer is recovering in the hospital. An update he has
been released, and he says it's hard to believe he
is alive.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Again, maybe there's a tape we haven't seen.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
I know.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
I mean, she didn't run over him, he did move away.
I mean that is the number one defense of police
officers that I see. If you think a car is
going to hit, you, move out of the way. And
then he labels the woman you hear in this video screaming.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Shame, shame.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Yeah, he labels her a professional agitator. I mean, we
don't know who this woman is and who knows. I mean,
this is maybe somebody who shows up at a lot
of protests, but we don't know that. And then he
blames the radical left for targeting law enforcement officers and
ICE agents on a daily basis. I mean, you could
say you could make an argument that's true. I mean, protesters,
when they hear of ICE showing up in a neighborhood,
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they come, they show up.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
What is the stated policy and position of the Minneapolis
Police Department regarding their responsibility here. They've made it clear
they have nothing to do with these raids and don't
want to have anything to do these raids. But what
I mean, part of their job is to keep the peace.
(39:29):
It is, So, how much are we ramping up in
anticipation of concern about you know, how volatile the situation
might get tonight? Is it different because it's the winter
rather than the summer or the spring. So, and what
do we know about all that regarding what the chief
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has said and what the approaches from Minneapolis police moving forward.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Well, first of all, the federal government does not and
I'm just going to say this outlaw does not have
a law that compels states and local police agencies to
cooperate with ICE. I mean, they could pass a law
saying you are required to do it. There is no
law that says this so any state, and there are
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many states that do cooperate with ICE. That's voluntary. Here
in Minnesota, there are policies. We are not a sanctuary state. However,
there are policies in place and laws in place that
restrict the activity of the Minneapolis and the Saint Paul
police departments that they're not going to arrest people, ask
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them for their papers in their cars. They're not going
to take people in jail and deliver.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Them to ice.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Those are the things that they will not do here
in Minnesota. However, if there is a problem, if there
is an altercation, if a federal officer, an ICE or
Border patrol, or an fbition is in trouble and they
call for help, the police will go there and help
them and protect them from any danger around them while
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it's happening. This happened last summer. We probably remember where
they didn't even know. And I want to point.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Out that no one knows.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
The governor pointed out today, nobody knows when they're coming,
how many people are coming, where they're going to go,
what they're doing, what time, anything. So the police find
out when anybody else everybody else does. If there is
a problem, they show up to protect the agents against
violence from protesters or whoever else is on there. Christy
(41:35):
Nome said in the last hour that they're not getting
a lot of help, but visually, just from what I know,
that's not exactly true. They showed up, and they showed
up again today to protect the ICE officers. Again, we
know nothing in these kinds of situations, and maybe we
have listeners out there who can tell me otherwise, but
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it's really unusual if there's an officer involved shooting, ohis
and the agency scoops up the officer.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
And they all leave. Everybody leaves.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
They did quote unquote interfere with the crime scene. They
were in the car doing stuff and then they left,
and the Minneapolis police had to come to put police
tape around it to protect the crime scene and keep
people away. And then as the police are leaving and they,
you know, they didn't have anything to do with this.
As the police in Minneapolis are leaving the scene, they're
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being pelted with snowballs by the protesters, and you know,
they're like, what did we do? So it's it's it's
a crazy upside down world here all right.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Top of the hour, break, we have one more segment
with Special k Keep the text coming and then we'll
prepare for We're at regular time today, six thirty.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Is that correct? What are you chuckling about? Oh?
Speaker 6 (42:56):
I was just reading something over here. I see off
topic text line. No, Oh, I'm not over here.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
It's not today, not today.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Pat Kessler back with us. Top of the hour.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
We are on until the usual time until six thirty tonight.
Do we have any sports tonight on the fan? Guardsy
any Toy Department relief.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
We are gameless tonight.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Gameless tonight, Wolves celebrating their sweep of the Miami Heat
last night. Wild or back in action?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Is it tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, because fallness would be bitter than the hockey and
Back didn't know the day. But I didn't. I don't
even know the day. On the Wolves, I mean, I
know they played last night. I don't look at the
schedule as closely as I used to.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
It is Wild weekly coming up tonight seven o'clock. All right,
even better, but no actual game. Kessler Williams Arena last
night for the Border Battle. And you know what, We're
three and one in ten. Give us the stat that
you have uncovered, or at least you have.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
I just heard this on the broadcast last night that
this is the the fastest start in the Big ten
since your guy Muscleman for a rookie, for a first
year head coach for MUSCLEMANI seventy one and seventy.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Ten, and of course his son Eric is already in town.
Unbelievable with the highly I don't know if they're ranked,
but highly thought of us Trojans, I'm going to try me.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I forgot to.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
I'm going to text him to see if there's any
chance we can get him on the Marcus I the.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
GUARDI I think they're already here.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
You were worried about their schedule because I think I
saw a picture with them having practiced at the Wolves facility.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yes, they are in town, they've been in town.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I'm trying to get see if we get worried about
getting stuck in the snow.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
What's that all about.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Well, well, you get him on, you get him on
and then talk to him about this legacy record.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah, I believed that's very true. Davy.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Let's talk a little bit about I mean, it's very
clear that Christine Noam is not waiting right, She's she's
got a story she's going to tell.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
You know, we talk all the time about let's let
all the facts come in.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Well, they're talking about that, saying let's get all the facts.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Well, but we already know them all here.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
It is.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I don't believe, quite frankly, on number of levels that
the mayor of the City of Minneapolis has bay has
basking in glory here regarding his approach either.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Though, I don't.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Well, this is a I think a fifteen minute walk
from where George Floyd was murdered.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
So we have this echo in our head, we do.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
We have this PTSD from this in twenty twenty May
of twenty twenty. So I was a little surprised to
see the anger that Mayor Jacob Fry exhibited in the
press conference today telling Ice to get the blank out
(46:20):
of Minneapolis. And also although many people might agree with
him that the explanation by Christy Noman the Department of
Homeland Security is BS except to use the.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Exactly where he spoke it, yes, and so, but he.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Was angry, but he did not urge people. He wasn't
a calming influence, let me just say that. And so
that surprised me a little bit because Governor Walls and
he has been on a tear comes out swinging, he
has been ripping away over the last few days. He
took it down a few notches today and urged people
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to if they're going to protest, to do it patriotically
and calmly.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
And he said it would be it's the patriotic thing
to do. Yeah, we can discuss that, but the fact
is he tried. I think he tried. He was a
little more adult, I thought than the mayor has been
Let me ask you about something I mentioned off air.
Former Governor Arnie Carlson was on with my former partner
Chad Hartman yesterday, I believe, and we're way overdue to
(47:30):
have Arnie back and maybe try to do that late
this week or even in the next week. Arnie basically said,
I know it seems counterintuitive if you're Governor Wallas, but
I'd do everything in my power.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
To get on the phone with Donald J.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Trump, try to even get an in person meeting, even
though there's a million reasons to not.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Want to, including you know, double doubting.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
On the conspiracy that Walls ordered the hit, repugnant stuff,
craziness in what was it this past spring or summer
on Melissa Hortman, But that practically, you know, one thing
I always respect about Arnie is I think he's a pragmatist.
He's not a shrinking violet by any means, but I
(48:20):
think he's a he's a throwback politically to you still
got to talk to people, and you might surprise yourself
about you got to think about what you can get
out of it, forgetting the fact that you feel like
this is someone you don't have anything in common with
and I'm curious to get your view on that philosophy.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
What do you think it is so difficult to be
that person, to be a bigger person. It's so hard
to do when President Trump has been cruel and crude
and has gone after you and your family personally, and
Governor Wallas has done the same thing back to him,
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And so you got two fighters in opposite corners. But
how do you be kinder person? How do you be
a more of a moral person or a person of values?
It's so hard to do. I don't know that I
could do it. I don't know that you have to
be kinder. Okay, I think if you've you've just got
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to be strategic and all.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Right, you got to fit your tongue. But yes, the
New York mayor example, your guy, Mom, Donnie, I don't
know how long this is, This love affair is going
to last. But he goes to the prep to the
Oval office, right, and they're like, oh.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
But holding ham.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
I know, I mean he lost himself in And I
don't know who who was the one who lost himself?
Was a Trump who lost himself in? Mom Donnie's I
don't know. I mean, so yeah, I mean, so if
you approach the president that way. And I believe that
my Donnie uh privately was saying, hey, you did something great.
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You and I used your your ideas to get votes
and I got some of your voters. And if Walls
was ever able to do that, and I don't see
it right now, I don't see it. But maybe maybe
they'd get together and talk about stuff.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Who knows. I don't even know that it it. I
think went so far.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
You know you you you suggested this to me, and
I'm thinking, wow, I don't know. I can't see it
in this political environment.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
I just can't. I mean one very surprised if whatever
other political question just came to my head. And I
don't know who.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
The state legislator was who I heard saying this. I
do believe it was a Republican, but I a woman,
but I can't remember who it was suggested. And this
is a subject we've covered nationally for a long time.
In our we used to have great conversations with Joe Califano,
who worked in several presidential administrations going way way back,
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that he had a belief that one of the things
that has been lost politically in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Is the ability.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
To no matter how you feel about the person of
the other party, you've got to break bread with them,
You've got to negotiate with them. You have to humanize them.
You cannot simply demonize them. And it's easier to demonize
if you're never across a table from them, and that
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he thinks this goes back probably ten years, that a
lot of that has been lost politically, and it hurts.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Us because then it's easier to demonize.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
The state legislator suggested a belief, and you can speak
to this, I think, whether there's some truth to it
or not, that one of the strengths. She points it
out in her mind of Mark Dayton was obviously the
other side of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
He's a lefty, right, but that.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Dayton constantly had meetings and dinners and discussions with people
that he disagreed with pretty dramatically to try to get
stuff done, and that her belief was that Walls either
didn't have the stomach for that or didn't have the
interest in that, and that those sorts of meetings sort
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of disappeared or that approach disappeared when Dayton was no
longer in office.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
Is there any truth to that or is that oversimplifying. No,
that's absolutely true. I don't know who the legislator is
that you're talking about. I hadn't heard that particular story,
but I see that from some legislators. And I'm going
to name one senator, State Senator Julia Coleman. She is
one who says things like that. She tries to reach
out completely on the opposite side of issues. But yes,
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having been there with Mark Dayton, he would constantly have
breakfast meetings with the groups of legislators. He would constantly
call them up, come on up to the office. They'd
have coffee, they'd have soft drinks, they do whatever, and
he was even though publicly man, they went at it
and we went through a couple of state shutdowns with
(53:21):
Mark Dayton. But yes, they had this ability to somehow
get together over over coffee, breaking bread.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Maybe we solve every other because I didn't, But there
was at least a little bit more sawing of this
frozen stuff doesn't exist now, we don't have it.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
We don't have that right now. It's absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
We appreciate the time, what a time we're in, man,
Believe me, I know and will look for the best
tonight YEP obviously, and moving forward, it does sound like
do we know how big the presence is going to
be from a police standpoint tonight?
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Well, we want to point out that Governor Wallas was
urging people to be peaceful, of course, but he has
put on alert the Minnesota National Guard and he's prepared
to call out the Guard should it be needed.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
We all hope that that doesn't happen, and of course
that we don't recreate what happened here in Minneapolis not
too long ago. So yeah, there's going to be a
police presence, but I think there's going to be a
protester presence.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Also, thank you Pat Casler, you bet extra duty this week,
outstanding work as always. Well, pause, we'll wrap up the show,
remind you what you missed on a very busy program
today and what's coming up tomorrow.
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Speaker 2 (54:43):
It's the Bumper to Bumper Show. Wrap a very busy
program today.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
As one might expect, we'd had locked in on the
front end.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
A couple of Toy Department guests.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
We stuck with them even as we tried to address
the A section story early and then a lot really
all for the last better part of the last two hours.
Mike Conley, if you missed him, he joined us about
three forty or so. Good stuff from him on Rudy Gobert,
Good stuff from him on not even knowing what Rudy
(55:19):
had said to reporters, brilliant, which was pretty funny, and
a little bit about what he sees regarding the connectedness
of your favorite basketball team. The question is always how
long it will last. But they're probably playing over all
their best stretch of basketball right now. Glenn Mason at
(55:40):
four with a testimonial to my Indiana football Hoosiers and
a couple of other stories, but a lot on that.
Really what did he nickname the guy who wasn't lou
Nanny Joey D Joey D of Idyna and the guests
assumed that he met Louis, but.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
He said he wasn't. No mocking Louie.
Speaker 6 (56:03):
No, but Mace was with us between four and four
to thirty. Some guy that he told to listen, they're
probably playing golf tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
No, Yeah, I'm sure that's what a lot of it is. Yeah,
he's always got some friend. He needs to shout.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Out Blair Anderson, former Saint Cloud police chief, on the
subject of the day.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
He joined about four point thirty.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
A lot of people agreed with him, some people not
so much, but that's why he's such.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
An effective guest.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
In addition, former US Attorney Andy Lueger joined by phone
at five oh two. He hates being on by phone,
but today it was necessary because of some other arrangements.
We'll try to get him in studio soon. A luger
a reaction to the shooting today. Part of it with
him was less willing to take a stand on what
(56:52):
took place, perish the thought that he might want to
wait five minutes, get more information and let the story
play out a little bit, and more on how the
investigation might go forward.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
And then we got back to the governor.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Wall's decision yesterday with Andy between five and five thirty,
Kessler with us from five thirty until just a few
moments ago. Tomorrow is going to be a busy show,
as it turns out as well. Sean Salisbury is I
think scheduled or confirmed for three point thirty. We'll do
his post mortem on the vikings and maybe give him
(57:28):
a chance to talk about the wildcard round of the
National Football League playoffs and all the coaching openings.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
I think now up to seven for the moment at least.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
In addition, Russo Radio is scheduled for tomorrow, and a
number of people had asked how quickly we would have
Michael Hurley on to talk international geopolitics. There's so much
to get to that we've barely covered, regarding South America,
regarding Greenland, regarding Cuba, and who knows what else. Mike
(58:03):
Curley is going to join us tomorrow, you mentioned likely
between four and five or that probably makes the most sense,
and we'll get to hockey with Russo tonight. I mean
it is I'm not call it the abyss, but the
seasonal boost is over. Vikings programming obviously has come to
an end because their season, Yeah is over, correct, it
(58:24):
is over.
Speaker 6 (58:24):
I think the main principles for the Vikings are talking tomorrow, KOC.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
We might get some for sure. Are they the only
two speaking? I don't know. As far as we know,
I don't be true.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Tonight Fan and de Man will follow this program and
then it will be wild weekly.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
Is that an hour show or two hours?
Speaker 6 (58:46):
That's thirty. Well, that show should be an hon I know,
and usually if Fallness is in charge, like just eighteen
and they just rerun so reracks. So let's hear Joe
O'Donnell talking with brock Faber after the victory two nights ago.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
That's a pretty good what about haven't they like? Hasn't
he run the bill? His latest Bill Garran interview like
seven times?
Speaker 6 (59:05):
I know exactly how Garen feels about picking Team USA
because I've heard it multiple times more than Sarah Spain.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
We'll try to get Garon.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Back maybe next week as well, and we can talk
about the Olympics selections. It's got to be good to
be Bill Garon right now, right in a sense because
he makes the big move, it gets a lot of attention.
Team is you know, notwithstanding what happened the other day
against the Kings, the club is in a pretty good
(59:31):
position compared to what it was several weeks ago. And
he's mister Olympics right. Yeah, Now you got to go
in the golden middle of everything. That's the pressure, that's
the pressure of it. But it's gonna be I'm sure
it's going to be fun to go to Italy and
hang out. Yeah, that's a good point. Now that's the
thing we need to talk to. We have to get
him on on a regular basis from Italy. He's got
(59:53):
to find a way to find time for us to
do that. I got to do that every day. Well
he's there too. Yeah, he's covering the women I believe outstanding.
That's what used to do. We milk the hell out
of both of those stories. We're big Olympics guys on
this show, so I'd love to get the time or
two with with Aaron and we know we can count
(01:00:14):
on Russo Radio like.
Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
We did with Cheryl Reeve last summer or the Paris Olympics,
some great conversations about the team, how they picked the players,
it was some of my favorite.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Should have run those for best of almost Fran targeted
like you're right about that. Ordinarily, without the tragedy of
earlier today, we probably would have spent some time on
the Golden Gopher men's basketball upset victory at home against
another ranked team.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Was it Iowa rank nineteen?
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
They were, and they held on three straight three pointers,
the second one in and out It was that would
have tied the game, perhaps sending an ot and the
Gophers prevail. Still are we still playing like six and
a half people? Yes, it's exactly amazing. Yeah, so I
am going to try to get uh see if we
(01:01:05):
can get Eric squeeze Eric Musselman in tomorrow too, if
at all possible, because his USC Trojan team is in town.
We've had a good relationship with Eric over the years.
Would be good to catch up with him. We'll see
if we can get that done. So it might add
to an already very busy show, but we're full three
and a half tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (01:01:21):
There's no Minnesota Vikings podcasts, none of.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
That, none of it. That's very unfortunate. And we have
no leaders.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Is there any Are there any rumors circulating regarding b flow,
regarding a specific head coaching job, I haven't seen. Everybody
seems to think the Raiders would make the most sense,
But then do you want to be there?
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I mean the Raiders are a mess. Who's there? You
don't have a quarterback there, dude, that's part of the problem. Yeah,
unless break their best quarterback he is, maybe he would
come back. Who's to say?
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Thank you very much for listening, thanks for watching, and
we will check with you tomorrow. Begin at three o'clock
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