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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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we are?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
One minute and fifty six seconds past three Central Standard time.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome back.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
It is a Wednesday edition of The afternoon Ardvark on
a rather wintry Man. It's been a series of wintry
days here in the twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul.
In fact, today, during the program, we will name the
first nonami of the twenty twenty five to twenty six season.
And that is in addition to an outstanding array of

(00:43):
guests that will include Tuesday Regular lou Nanny Today at
three point thirty, Glenn Mason, Wednesday Regular on Wednesday in
studio at four oh two, and the inimitable Pat Kessler
scheduled for five point fifteen. He reminded us, he made
sure to remind us again today of just how philanthropic.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
He is by some of the duties as he's he's
involved with.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Amazing, Yeah, it's amazing how much he gives. How does
he live with himself? I wonder sometimes it's just got
to be there's so much giving there. You wonder at
some point whether he is in awe of himself, and
I think I don't wonder that he answer is he
probably is.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
He is in awe of himself.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Brad Shaw and Brian Kafan text line has been rebooted
six four six six four six eight six. Oh, there's
Philip Rivers. He does not look as it doesn't look
too ponderous.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Does he know? He looks pretty good? I think I
don't think he looks like he's forty four?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
How old?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I grew up on football.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
In the sixties, as you know, and there was a
place kicker named George Blanda who also every once in
a while, due to either injury or just we got
to get a spark going, would be inserted into the
Oakland Raiders starting lineup as a quarterback right not necessarily start,
but would get in the game later. How old at

(02:08):
his oldest was George Blanda when he played the quarterback position?
He was it appears to be forty eight years old,
twenty six season career, the only non kicker even though
he was a kicker to play in four different decades.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's impressive, pretty good run.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Does that indicate that he played a game at quarterback
at forty eight that's the question. That's what I'll have
to do a little bit deeper of a dive. He
I thought, in my mind's eye was the oldest to
ever play the position in the National Football League?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Brady? How old was Brady when he wrapped it up?
Forty four? I think he was a little older, but
maybe not Brady was older than forty five.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I thought he was maybe, But okay, look, well we'll
find out, but we will get to the astronami naming.
Really the opening to the show is related to a
certain extent to the weather, the snow event.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
He retired at forty five, which was his stated goal at.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
One forty five, okay, forty five in uh, so he
won the ball at forty four maybe that would be
probably right, and then forty five because he didn't win
it his last year, right, I believe.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
So they made the playoffs a year, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
George, you can look up the old video of the
George blanda placekicker and quarterback who I think probably could
have played till he was fifty. But and there may
be something, you know, there may be this new generation,
there may be a quarterback or two that that ends
up staying that one maybe JJ McCarthy, that's true, will
end up being the first fifty year old quarterback in

(03:43):
the National Football League. And you know one thing, he'll
be good at progressions. Hold on, Oh sorry, pure progression,
pure progressions, pure progression portant. Anybody can be good at progressions. Yeah,
it's pure, pure progressions, progressions. The Jackals are just allows
by all of it. It's unbelievable. These guys the most
astounding thing I've ever seen and heard of. And everybody's

(04:04):
getting in on. And by the way, not everybody agrees,
including your guy who is the former Rams quarterback who
used to kill us, Kurt Warner. Kurt Warner is not
He ain't all in. No, he's not on this whole philosophy.
So maybe we'll get into that a little bit later
in the program. Good luck to you, by the way,
about five pot fifteen, because I'll be gone. Oh you'll

(04:25):
be gone.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
But you've hurt Kessler's feelings. We've heard Kessler's feelings. You
just texted both of us well, I mean we said
he was in awe of himself. I'm sure he didn't
like that. Wow, But so good luck to you.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Not my point, Okay, he's not hurt at all.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
He's pretending to be her. He can't be hurt. There's
got to be a ven diagram. I'm trying to figure
out what's the best way to say this, the most
self absorbed slash insincere slash.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, now you're going to get another text from him.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
But there's got to be a vent diagram of self absorbed, insincere,
and thin skinned. And if you're all of those things,
the middle of the vent diagram just says TV people.
Would that be the holy trinity? Self absorbed, Yeah, would
be thin skinned, and then I can't even remember. Insincere, insincere, Yeah,
those are those are three big ones. Like any you

(05:19):
go to work day Capital, let careers dot Com and
you say I want to be a TV Those are
job requirements. Are we as good as we think we
are when it comes to cleaning up the slop, cleaning
up after the snow nami, clearing the roads, salting the roads,

(05:42):
dealing with traffic snarls best we can because we think
we've got the greatest experience with it, we've got the
greatest equipment with it. To the point where we're gonna
again name our snowplows again this year.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
That contest just began.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
It sure did close serget to Lori Fish has already
put a bunch of suggestions in or are we slipping
or are we prisoner to the fact that when Mother
Nature really wants to be shall we say difficult, especially
in terms of timing when the snow hits that there's

(06:19):
always so much that even a community that prides itself
on always being able to handle significant snow events would
like to think of it, they think they are, So
let me know what you think about that, Because we
got a lot of people who drive for a living,
sure probably are the ones who are best qualified to
answer the question, especially if you've done it for a

(06:39):
long time. Because I know we flex on this and
we mock and ridicule, you know, southern towns that basically
become paralyzed when there's a half an inch of snow
and we chuck all about it. I remember being in
Dallas for that Super Bowl right as Steelers they're in,
and I have any idea what to do, and we're
we're so good at it.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
We've got it down to an.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Utter science, and we can turn a significant snow event
into almost immediate travel without all that much difficulty.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Are we that good?

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I'm not here believe it or not to judge on
this one. I'm not here to conclude. I'm asking the question.
I have my own suspicions, but I don't want to
what's the word for that, taint the jury, prejudice the jury.
I want individuals to come at it, at it with,
you know, with an open mind on that particular issue,

(07:35):
because we're in a stretch where we're having just enough
significant snow that there are snarls, there are problems, there
are difficulties. I mean, there's maybe an answerary question related
to this too, which is and we I think we've

(07:56):
talked about this part of it before.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Have we jumped the sh shark? He used that overused.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Expression when it comes to how quickly we shut stuff down.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
We close things we and even if they're not officially
closed down.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
What's the percent has the percentage of Once upon a time,
I'm going to go out on a limb, and this
is not scientific. I'm going to say when I got
here late actually approaching winter nineteen eighty six, that the
percentage of Minnesotans who lived in the metropolitan area who

(08:39):
would ever reach a point and let's say a four
or five inch snowfall that they said, I'm defeated. I'm
not going anywhere. I'm not leaving the house or apartment
or count of whatever it is. I'm not moving. And
if i've if my kids got someplace to go, she's
he or she's going to miss it. I'm not taking them. Sorry,

(08:59):
I'm not going to do that. I'm gonna say. And
what I got here, The percentage of adults who took
that approach in again, not a blizzard, but a four
or five inch snowfall was about five to ten percent.
I now believe over the forty or almost forty years
I've been here, I think the percentage is close to

(09:21):
fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Now, does that mean we're softer? We can have that argument.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Does that mean we're safer, We're more cautious where we're
not trying to prove anything or tough Minnesotans. But I
believe is that does it do those percentages? Is fifty
percent so on high?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
To you?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
No, it doesn't, because I do think we have a
quicker trigger finger tim Cheetah ejection, Yeah, no question when
when it comes to things getting canceled for sure. And
now it's preemptively canceled, right because we've all got these
radars and dopplers and we listen to the projections, and
then you say, by the way, Thursday is not looking good.
We're going to bang out a couple of your activities

(10:00):
and just get ahead of it. I don't ever remember
that happening. You're back in the day, no preemptively canceling
it a day or two in advance, or even in
the morning. Hey, it's not looking good. We're not doing it.
Do you know what part of the reason for that is?
In my opinion is that there was not the same
feeling that organizations feel pressured by today that I agree,

(10:22):
what if we don't and something one bad thing happens,
the second guessers are going to destroy us.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
So let's just cut out the tension. We're shutting it down.
And I think back in that day forty years ago,
there wouldn't be that same inclination to say, how dare
you not save me from myself by shutting everything down.
The worst part about the shutdown stuff now is when
you don't hear that it's shut down until you're already there, no, yeah,

(10:50):
or you're already like happy matter yes, And then you
get the call or the text and say, hey, we
just got the group me message. Sports engine just updated
and you're already there. We can't shut the snow off
the rink fast enough, so hockey is going to be canceled,
all right? The uh, there's an overwhelming number of texts
that are coming in, so let's stay on schedule. We'll
come back and we will read from many of them.

(11:11):
We'll keep this going today. We will name Thenami today.
Bottom of the hour, Luigi on your favorite hockey team,
Mike in Fergus falls, Oh, no doubt, I totally agree.

(11:35):
You guys are softer now that seems to be a shot.
Oh yeah, those of us the soft where the yeah?
I got you exactly right, Somesami submissions are coming in.
I appreciate that. We will get to it eventually. Hockey
never cancels for anything. For my son's squirt tournament in Fargo,

(11:56):
a far hour drive ended being ended up being six
and a half hour. A six and a half hour
drive in a blizzard, nothing was canceled. Hockey very rarely
does get canceled. I can confirm that Amazon driver here
North Metro. My two cents. I need to see more
people promptly clean up their driveways and walkways. Please for

(12:19):
our sake, folks, tend to your driveways quickly before it compacts. Yeah,
and ice is over it point, it makes sense. And
some people maybe can't get out and around as easy
as others.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
That could be part of it. But yeah, I could
see where that could be a difficulty. Remote work is
so much more prevalent now.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Less people risking getting into office on snow day is
because they don't want to miss a day of work.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Everyone is just okay working from home. Now, that's a
great point too, that's part of it.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, people are used to Yeah, I just I'm working
from anyway. What the hell's the difference? Dan, I actually
was this is from mo out of Wrigleyville in Ville,
Greater Chicago area. I was actually praising Minnesota when it
comes to plying the streets and how much I missed
the effort of snow emergency after a big storm. Chicago
got a foot of snow a couple weeks ago, and
since I've gotten several more rounds of snow, I'm yet

(13:10):
to see a snowplow and neighborhood streets are a mess.
They do a better job of cleaning streets in the
summer than winter. Well, if you go deep enough into
Chicago political history, one of their the great Chicago blizzards,
cost the incumbent mayor his job. I want to say

(13:31):
it was Mike Belandik and a woman named Jane Byrne
challenged him, and basically that was a big part of
her plank was how bad a job the city had
done handling the blizzard, the snowstorm, the blizzard of nineteen
seventy nine. Is that the one cost Michael bland Blandic, Yeah,

(13:54):
that's okay, that was it, Chicago Magazine dot com. A
perfect storm of weather clout and pr doomed the incumbent
in his primary battle against Jane Byrne.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Good memory.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I actually think I also got I think I was
visiting my parents in Elk Grove and I think I
got caught up in it for a day or two
as well. People are always looking for a reason to
stay home on their phones and not work. That's a
doink from Highland Park. Do you think that's his real
name or is that a nickname? Do you think doint
like Ragoose. I bet it's I'm going to go back

(14:25):
to back. It's his real name. I am always stunned.
This shows you how conditioned I am to the new world.
When there is a snowstorm like today or yesterday, I'm
always stunned when I see more than like four people
in here, like I actually probably get them. He got credition,
then they deserve, you know, yesterday. That could be in
the summer. Well that's true. Yeah, but people are bailing out,
you know, at one point two o'clock yesterday. So I'm

(14:49):
always a little surprised when I see more than a
half a dozen people in the office on a snow
day like this. Seven to sixty three, guy, min Dot
is mighty good. I won't throw the hard working folks
in my municipality under the bus, but as a group,
they're not perfect. I generally think we do a very
nice job clearing major roads and highways. That said, timing
definitely matters. It took nearly two and a half hours
to get from why Zetta to Woodbury yesterday.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
That's from two to one four.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Guy.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
That's a Dallas area code, is it not two on four?
I think I had that area code at one point.
We don't check two to one four it is Dallas.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I thought.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I think we are softer now than the days when
most of us drove rear wheel drive cars. It's a
good callback. I love the grum gal higher on my percentage.
Have you been to a grocery I am old a
day before it predicted two to four inch snowfall.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's unreal. We have become snowflakes.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Wow, Austin in Apple Valley. As someone who grew up
in the Chicago area, we do a pretty good job.
Main roads and highways are solid. Once plow workers get
in mid season four maybe they do. Maybe it takes
them time to get in mid season form.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
They need a preseason.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Only takes one or two snowfalls to get them back
in the groove. Dan, I'm a twenty plus year mailman.
If we can get around in thirty six year old
rear wheel drive trucks with bald tires, I really don't
think anyone has anything to complain about. A lot of
this is just bad driving. Well, yeah, we have talked
about that before. My ongoing unofficial, non analytic survey of

(16:24):
the number of people who can't seem to remember that
they have their bright lights on continues. I've now become
almost obsessed with it because since I made a bigger
issue of it on the radio, I'm paying even closer
attention to it. And I would say, on average, now
it's one out of every five drivers I come across

(16:45):
at night, and I don't get and because a couple
of people say, well, no, no, it's just those those
new lights like brights, and I'm saying, no, these are
particular cars where there it's the twin lights, and both
of them are only supposed to come on. That's what
I'm about. The ones underneath they have the twin lights.
Only one I'm supposed to come on for brightness? Shall

(17:05):
we say so? I'm I'm still confounded why this has
become so difficult for people. Maybe we close things down
sooner because of snow. Now that's easy to communicate via
text and social media. Old days, you just kept things
open because you really couldn't tell anybody what was going
on in an effective manner. And in an effective manner,
there's probably some truth to that. Imagine some of it

(17:28):
if we had texting. When John Wooden was waiting to
hear from the University of Man soda. Yeah, even though
I know Minnesota, that never happened. You don't need to
email us. Not only do we puff chests out about
snow removal, but we then play in it once we've
moved it out of our way.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
MINDAD does a great job of clearing and salting freeways.
Rights Chris bad driving in cars with improper tires cause
the issues. Saint Paul is worse at plying roads than Salpollo,
Brazil would be.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
That's from Ventura. No, not really, but could be. I Dan,
I can't.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Tell if we're better or worse at snow remove because
I live in Saint Paul and the road suck and
have sucked for almost all the twenty years I've lived here.
That's andy in Saint Paul. I'm gonna up. I am
a ups driver. I could say that last night slash
today has left a lot to be desired when it
comes to snow removal. In Minneapolis, they had not even
touched ninety four East slash thirty five W North last

(18:29):
night when I was driving back into the facility at
nine pm. Unacceptable. That was gonna be sort of the
way I went with it. I felt for the first
time in a while that the last I don't know,
twenty four hours have not seemed up to our standard.
And I think officially we got five inches at the airport,

(18:50):
maybe it was four chan I think Channy got four
and maybe airport got five, or maybe it was vice versa.
That's that's a healthy snowfall, and there are a lot
of icy patches you can tell because of the temperature
and so forth.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
But I I.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Haven't sensed where maybe we need a couple more snownamis.
I haven't sensed that we're at the top of our
I just don't want us to rest on our laurels
and to think, yeah, of course we do. We have
all this experience doing it, and that doesn't mean that
that you're necessarily doing the job great normally good, but
side streets not plowed, BMW Sedan not made for this.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
But all we'll drive letter rip.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
We're probably good at snow removal, but I think everyone
is second to Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Probably has to be. It has to be. But are
they We don't know. I mean, I mean we assume it,
but maybe they're not great at it.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I just drove down from Golden Valley to Owatana today
and Backerly this morning. Roads were pretty pristine, even though
the drivers may make you think they're not. LOL, So
I'd say our plow service is still pretty dang good.
I defend people, by the way, especially in the first
couple of snowstorms, that drive exceedingly defensively. I know it
makes it more dangerous sometimes if you're driving too slow

(20:02):
or you're too worried. Well, the extremes right, they go
too slow, too fast out of forgetfulness.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
But people got to get their bearings a little bit
in snow.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I don't deny that this is a callback to the
blander discussion Dan Back in the day, I had a
Chicago relative who lived in George Blanda's neighborhood. Sounds like
he would get into no holds barred snowball fights with
all the neighborhood kids.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Bass balls, Bahamas Blanda. That's that's from Clayton. Well, it's
good across section of texts. We'll keep that going. Maybe
later in the show. We will name the snow namy
later in the program as well. Let's come back and
talk about a guy who can't possibly relate well to
the conditions that we are the rest of us are
dealing with.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I've already heard from him.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
He's very concerned about the snow conditions here and no
shock he has a George Blandas story.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Oh good, that.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Doesn't shock me at all. And we'll also see what
he thinks about the Zookie hit.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Was it cheap?

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Was it evil? Or was it just a good hard
hit that we were on the wrong side of that?
And much more with Luigi.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Next, we sneaks around the World. Ride down there in

(21:32):
the world Camp Nanny.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Brought to you by Camps, and you sure as hell
know he's not here, not enduring what we teaching. Every
one of us is enduring on a daily basis. Louie
joins us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. Are you
still in Florida or some other tropical spot?

Speaker 5 (21:51):
Boy? I came back to Florida last night from Boston. Okay,
I was just in Boston for the day. But I'll
tell you one thing. The West people or Palm Beach
people do a great job of cleaning the road. There's
no snuter you never did.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
It's amazing. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
It's just like they make it disappear, is what you're
saying they do such a good job.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
I'll tell you what happened to me last year. You're
not going to believe this. So I come back to
Minneapolis late me and bring my car in the ags.
I got to give aj the plug. They do such
a great job because I store my tires there, put
them on in November, and then take them off and me.
So I came back and and I take my car

(22:31):
in first one eight o'clock in the morning, give my keys.
He puts it up in the hoist and I just
said down, reachh over to grab a book to read it.
And all of a sudden he comes back and he
gives me my keys. What happened? He says, you forgot
to put your snow tires on.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
That's it. See yeah, I wonder why.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yeah, I wonder what because you.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Know, yeah, that's it. That might have a lot to
do with it.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Are you familiar, uh Louis with the music group Pearl Jam.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, okay, you're familiar with them.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
I bring it up because somebody had texted out of
nowhere that apparently the band Pearl Jam was sponsoring They
got their name on a zamboni in Duluth, right.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Did you hear about this story?

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (23:20):
I did. That's pretty neat they got they filed publicity
out of I think that, you know, I think it's
especially one of the guys there in the group a
hockey fan until he probably pushed it. That's a great
that was a great thing. Now we will have to
see if we had more music.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Group there got now a texture brought. This reminded me
about this because we had not mentioned it on air.
And he also wanted to know if you had any
Zamboni name stories or maybe even some Zamboni stories that
have nothing to do with names. Did you ever come
close to being run over by a Zamboni on the ice?

Speaker 5 (23:57):
I am the first broadcast ever to do an interview
on the de Love It shouldn't I in nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Five.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Well, when they came out with it, they came out
with the Weiler's Mike right. And I'm always you know,
and I was doing the state tournaments and I'm always
looking for something to do differently, and I asked my producer,
I said, well, let's Mike work if I go to
zam Boni. He says, yeah, so there I am. They

(24:28):
probably some filmuffit riding around the zamboni, sitting with the
zamboni driver. It's pretty good interviewing him.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
That's outstanding. We did.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
We're talking about because the Colts have signed a forty
four year old quarterback that reminded me of George Blanda,
who I wondered, I thought maybe was even older, and
GUARDI said, when he looked it up, they was on
the Raiders until he was forty eight.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
And then he tells me that you got your own
George Blanda story. What's that?

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Well, I went to Chicago that mckeida invited me down
to the golf club that he belonged to in Chicago.
And I go in and sitting down where I mean
lun first and and he introduced me as guy George Blanda.
Lowis George's still playing football? And I think he was

(25:18):
about forty day. I said, you're still playing football. I said,
he and Gordie House should get together and open a restaurant.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
They're both in their forty that's true, that's true.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
But yeah, but he was he was a san he
was and that's a golfer as well. He really was
a good golf golfer.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
He was a place kicker too.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
He was you know, what are you doing?

Speaker 5 (25:42):
He said, well, most of the time, might just go
there and just kick the ball.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
That's pretty good. That's outstanding.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Questions for Louis hit the branch on Brian k FA
and text line as many of you already have. We're
going to get to some of those texts before we
wrap things up with uh with Luigi, So give me
your view of the Zukarello hit. It was a big
topic of conversation. It was viewed by the jackals of

(26:10):
the media jackals as very much an inspiration for the team.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
And the was the that was against the crack and
I believe is they finally want They finished up with
a victory on that road trip. So what do you
think was the hit? Evil? Was it cheap?

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Was it just a good hard hit that we're on
the wrong side of What did you make of it?

Speaker 5 (26:31):
It was just a good hard hit. And what's happened today? Well,
first of all, Zu Courella's done a tall guy anyway,
although Vince done that hit him is not that much taller,
but but he got him with his shoulder and the
head and and uh, you know, unfortunately for Zu Carella.
He could have a concussion. I don't know what the
situation is, but but uh, if so, hockey and as

(26:54):
the an agent drives me, not, that's just a good
hard hit. You can't do that anymore. That's the game's
all about it. Even though I like the wild stand
up for one another. To me, you don't have to
stand up for that. The guy's got his head down.
That's the name of the game. That's Whatcky's all about.
So I was more upset that the world got badly

(27:16):
in a reaction. Yes, and this, you know, I don't
know where they get this. Oh this is a you know,
a turning point in the game or stuff like that.
They all do it. It's the same thing. It just
you know, well, if it was a dirty hit, I
can understand. Clean, clean hit. That's what the game is
all about. And we're seeing far too much of this,

(27:36):
and I don't know if they're ever going to be
able to take it out of the game.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, but this is not new you You've been talking
about this on this show for years, same thing, Like
what wait, wait a minute, if all we got to retaliate,
we got to take the number, and we got to
make sure, we get them later and and on hits
that you say or just man, we're on the wrong
side of a good hit.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Man, it happens, and you don't have to lose your
mind over it. You just go and try to play
harder or play better or whatever it takes. But to
pretend that there's anything scandalous about it, I don't know.
I just think maybe it's the Internet age. Stuff gets
slowed down, it gets replayed a bunch of times, and
when your guy is the guy who takes the hit,
you know, I think there's a tendency to want to

(28:17):
say we got wrong.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yeah, And that's what it is. And it's unfortunately because
no matter what you say, one of the great parts
of hockey, one of the great attractions in hockey is
the fact that you have really good contact. You see
a number of good hits, you see heavy hits, you
see guys taking in the board's hard. That's why football

(28:42):
is so popular too. Football is a big contact sport
and the contact in those sports are one of the
things that brings the viewers to the game and it's
something that I never want to see taken out of
the game. When we used to play the World championships
in Europe and you got the bigger right surface two

(29:05):
hundred by one hundred instead of two hundred by eighty five,
and that made up a third more ice. You can
hardly find somebody to hit. The rich are so big,
and that's to me, it was one of the things
that made it so unattractive to watch two European teams play.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
And I don't.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Want to see those heavy. It's taken out of the
game because it's the player's responsibility to keep your head up,
know what's going on, and you know, just you have
to you have to be prepared to get hit. And
one of the biggest things we've ever said in hockey,
and they sit in every locker room that's ever been there,

(29:48):
take a hit to make a play, yep. And so
you know you're going to get hit in this game.
And if you want to make a good play, sometimes
you got to take a hit. You got to suck
the guy in and take a hit, and the other
guys go yeah, And I hate to see anything take
it out of the game.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I think a lot of this is there's less of
an ability now to just, you know, sort of tip
your hat and said, Okay, the goddess that time. Now
we're gonna you know, we'll remember to the extent that
we'll try to at some point later do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Uh, if we have the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
But I think that the emotion, I don't know, it
just seems like it feels different in a way where
I if I if I salute that, Hey, you know what,
good hit man. You know, well, we'll play the next
round and we'll see where it goes. But we're on
the wrong side of the hit. Now, let me get
your reaction to what one of the textrares says here.
The Zukerrella hit was legal, but definitely the type you

(30:42):
take the number and pay him back done. Took a
rink wide run and could have hit him effectively without
launching him. What do you think of that?

Speaker 5 (30:52):
I didn't think it was a launch. A couple across
it's still launching. I like to hit, and I loved
growing on my favorite.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Yes, but I like seeing that body checking. I mean,
I do not. I got to disagree with that. I
like to see these hips in the game. I don't
like to see him get in the head and just
that that's the unfortunate part about it different sizes and
or if the guy bends over and try to sneak
by the check, there are different reasons why they get
in the head and you don't don't want to see that.

(31:21):
But but I like the fact that guys eliminate guys
off the puck with the body check. Hey, by the way,
before we go any farther, I got to tell you
because I'm getting a lot of Texas that Jeff Merrick's
got a great podcast. He's one of the great hockey
guys out of Toronto. And on his podcast apparently I
don't know, must have been yesterday or because now I'm

(31:42):
starting to get it today he talked about the draft
in Minnesota and Harold Ballard, who was the owner, and
he crusted the old guy that owned the Toronto Maple
Leafs was really upset with me. He said, Hey, killum,
he's really pissed off at me because the Toronto Maple
Leafs were We're given a tableway at the end and

(32:05):
when they panned the audience when they opened it and
Hockey I you know, or CBC in Canada to draft
all the leaf scouts and everybody had their legs on
the table and the draft table. And so after the
draft was over next day goes home and one of
the reporters asked one of the scouts, why did you

(32:27):
guys all have your legs and the table. He says,
Harold Paller's really upset with Nanny because he gave the
table right at the back, the farthest away from the
from the bathroom, and he couldn't go to the bathroom.
So we had everybody put their legs on the table,
and he whizzed underneath the table.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
So how about this goal?

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Well this is but when we had the draft here
nineteen seventy nine and I did you know the NHL
puts the tables. I don't. I didn't put the table out.
He thought I was upset with him, and I gave
my table at the back, said be far from the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh that's too good.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
That's what I will tell you this. And this did
not surprise me because when I gave the induction speech
for gumb Worthy when he was going to a Hockey
Hall of Fame in Toronto, it was in the Royal York.
There's a thousand people there and h Ballard is sitting
to my right, compass sitting to my left, and you know,

(33:28):
it goes all wrong. We had about four inductions going
and we used to have the speeches before, et cetera.
And he just was right under the table while I'm
sitting there on the diets.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Are you serious.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
I'm serious, I'm sitting right there. And I never told
anybody at that time, and I certainly was going to
make a story because he was still living. Now that
he's dead, what the hell is that about? I don't know.
And that's why I love the story.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
The day.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
You know he was he'd never be anybody in when
he was really bad, Ronnie ellis and wants to to,
you know, negotiate a contract, and Ronnie was very upset
and he's getting ready to storm out and Bello, so
gase you'd like to piss of my grave? Sonny Iles says, no,
the line would be too long.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh oh, that's that's pretty amazing. Well, see, that's that
you're offering up a reason why podcasts are good.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
There's probably too many of them.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
But that's the kind of story that's probably less likely
to come up on anything but a podcast right where
you can dive into pretty much anything at any point.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
So that's uh, that. I'm sure you're getting, like you said,
plenty of texts from people you know who's listened to it. Correct.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Yeah, I know because I called MIRRK today and I said,
you know, Jeff, I said, you should realize that the
NHL says the table light, it set the table.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
That's that's so good.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Dry Heat Guy has a question for you.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Can you ask Louis whether the NHL is starting to
regret moving the Coyotes to Utah. I'm hearing reports that
attendants is bad. Also, what are you hearing about expansion rumors?
Houston fourth largest market, the fourth largest market. Will Milwaukee
ever get an NHL team or is it too close
to Chicago?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
That's dry Heat guy.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
Well, first of all, Milwaukee won't get a team with
Chicago there. But no, the NHL is very happy with Utah.
And by the way, they still have that in their pocket,
that franchise for Phoenix if they get a rink, which
they're talking. There's talks now that they're you know, people
are looking to try and build a rank in Phoenix,
and Houston is a good city. That did also look

(35:36):
at also kanasas city. By the way, it would be
two billion now they internally that they've talked about. Because
I said, was I've heard it very strong fact that
it would be two billion for a franchise.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Now, two billion, two billions.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
That's pretty stunning, isn't that?

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Yes, it is? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Believable dollars?

Speaker 5 (36:04):
It's absolutely unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
It's astonishing.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
That's a breaking college football news, Luigi to pass along
to you and the audience. Media reports indicating that the
University of Michigan has fired their football coach, which his
name Moore. Moore dismissed by the University of Michigan. So
there you have it.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
That was that expected.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
No, but the second sentence is the university found quote
credible evidence that he engaged in inappropriate relationship with another
staff member.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Okay, so that that wraps.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
So it's related more to that apparently than maybe well,
probably didn't.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Help that the seventeen and eight over two years.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, seventeen and eight is a good record most places.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Huh, seventeen and eight is not.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
So good necessarily at the University of Glenn. Mason's reaction
ten minutes from now, Oh, that's right. We got a
lot to discuss with Mace. The general condition of the club.
You know, they had the great stretch, seemed to turn
everything around, and they had a couple of bad games
in a row. Then they win the last game on
the trip. How do you you panicky about that or

(37:14):
do you say you're going to have some Evan flaw?
What would you say you've seen most recently from your
favorite hockey team.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Well, I didn't like the two games that they lost it.
They played so well and then come back and lose
it too like that, And I was worried about those
games because when you go back and look at it,
the Wild just seems to get beaten in Calgary more
than they should. I think Calgary is going to be
one of the better home records against him than than

(37:42):
other teams. I was surprised he lost Vancouver, was really
floundering and he just couldn't score in the Vancouver game.
He just it was and then ye, well, an unusual
night frame because he's been playing so well in that
last goal that he gave up the puck behind the
net after he had been doing so well and in
the park all year long. It's just a little mistake,

(38:04):
but that was the fourth goal and not killed him.
But what concerns me the most of the injuries. They
just can seem to stop getting people injured, hind to
on them playing really well, playing as a team, playing
you know, really consistently and heart all the way through,
but you can't keep getting four or five guys out

(38:25):
of the lineup. But expect to be the same team,
and just anybody could say next man up, just like
they're doing football, next man up. Yeah, the next man's up.
But he's just thought of the good.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, that's very rare that he's as good. You're exactly right. Yeah,
we talked about this briefly yesterday, but I want to
get you in on and I don't know how much
you know about it.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
You got connections everywhere. But these horror stories are continuing
out of the Winter Olympics in Italy that they're way
behind on the rink and it's going to be another
almost like it was the last time it was in Italy.
But it's going to be right to the wire whether
the rink is going to be as it is I

(39:07):
guess is already it's going to be different dimensions than
it was really supposed to be. So what do you
how much concern is there about this and what do
you hear about it?

Speaker 5 (39:15):
For Olympics talking, I had Lenchard Bill Daily back I
want to see two months ago in New York, and
and he had mentioned the fact that they they were
concerned they better get their building done in time. But
at that time there was no knowledge or anything said
about the size of the rink. Now, the size of
the rink is going to be I think one hundred

(39:36):
and ninety six point three feet instead of two hundred.
We're talking about the length, right, that's that's a minor concern.
People can make a big fuss about it. When we
played the rinks before, Boston, Chicago, the Buffalo, those are
all small rinks, you know, so they were different sizes.
Now all the rinks are standard the NHL are all

(39:56):
two hundred by eighty five. So what they'll do it
won't be a problem is they'll just move the both
lines closer to the center. They'll do it equally and
just have the more in the areas in the defensive
zones will still be the same, but the neutral zone
will be a little smaller, which really doesn't matter. They

(40:18):
don't have a red line anymore for passing and just
for rising, so that's not gonna be a big deal.
That's not the deal. The deal is that they got
to get the ring ready. But here's the kicker. If
the ring's not ready to see that, some of the
seats aren't ready for some of the other stuff. But
the teams could play, still play. You think they're not

(40:40):
going to play With that kind of money at stake,
they'll play the game is nobody's there, I think. But
more than that, the Player is Association. I don't think
wouldever want and not to play. Conor mcdavids all his life,
all he's want to do is play in the Olympics.
I can't see even Martin wallsh the executive director to
the Players Association, going and said we're not going to play.

(41:01):
That's not right because I think the players would be
very upset about her.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Another text coming in here late Rossy's week to week
absent since mid november's left the hole in the middle.
Could have trade for a gritty depth center like Vancouver's
Keith for sure would provide the Wild with the bottom
six spark that they might need before the holiday break.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Well, they've been trying to get keep for Sherwood for
a while year, but the price has been going up,
and now maybe it'll go back down because he has
the score as well this year as he did last year,
and he is a fourth liner by trade originally, and
he just happened to blossom into a good score. But
he'd be a good player for the while. I'd like
to see him in the while because he's physical and

(41:43):
he's proven he can score. Could he do it again?
We'll love to see. But here's the deal. If you
get if you get a guy like him, what are
you going to give up for him? Right now? The
Cannects are asking too much for him, especially when he
include a first row pick in the player. So I
don't see that the well, they're going to be the
kind of price they want. They're going to just try

(42:05):
to work their way through this, you know. I just
I wouldn't say you're going to trade a Hartman for
Surewood because eventually there's a safe time players accepted. I
think Hartman's had much better track or go over a
long term of scoring goals and then share with it.

(42:25):
So I don't see. I don't see that happening unless
the price goes down for the from the Canucks. You
know what they want and and somebody will while get
more healthy where they have a player to trade.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Do you remember who the Gopher football coach was before
Tim Brewster.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
Hey, what's that guy's name? He's the guy he's got
a dog pin or something.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Anthon Parkle, Apparently he does.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
He's got a lot of say to your old buddy,
Nanny Glenn.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Hey, Louis, I heard I miss you. I miss you here.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
I got to correct you on one.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Thing, yeah, more.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
Than one thing when you said before, you know the
problem with the next man up, the next guy is
not as good with the exception of this show, because
I'm up next and I'm a lot better than you, mandate.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
I wish you would think that. Well, when you were
coaching our football team, you know what you still being Yeah, yeah,
he still be there and he'd be making more money.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
Oh man, Louis, can you believe the money these guys
are making now?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
No?

Speaker 5 (43:39):
I can.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
I mean, you know, he just fired the guy at
Kentucky and he's going to be get paid I think
thirty nine or thirty seven point yeah, four million dollars.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
They figured it out.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
That's a that's a five one hundred thousand bonus for
every game that he won during his tenure there. These
guys have lost their mind.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Louis, do you think Race? You know you can speak
to this. Do you think Mace.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
We were talking earlier about whether people over the last
forty years in the metro area have gotten a little softer.
I mean, would you not agree that Louis is the
very epitome of someone, you know, a sue, the guy
from the Sioux who's gone soft because he's never here anymore.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
He's he's in Florida. I meanwhile, you got a place
in Florida, yet you're still I'm here, you know, I
embraced the call id.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yes, I really live in Florida. You know.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
I told him when they recruited me here, the one
question I asked it was the most important question. I
asked how much do you have here in the winter?
And they said not much? I said, how much is
not much? They said three inches? I signed the next day,
you know, and oh, my dad, so are we going
to talk about this? They said, no, they got three
inches of stow. I'm going there.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
No, no, wait a minute, Louis, I remember you telling
me how you hated the heat when you got recruited
from the Sioux and he came down. It was like
during the summer you had to go back to the
hotel and getting the bathtub, putting ice cubes in there,
didn't you.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
Well where he slept tonight because he had no air
conditioned a hotel but Nicola with ninety five degrees, so
he slept in the tough But I didn't say I'm
going to love the heat here. That's why I go
back to the Midwest into summer because it gets too out.
I go to Baltam Lake where it's on the water.
I got to get out.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Of the heat here to Louis Man, Yeah, I know,
that's the way it is.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
All right, we're gonna let you go because Mace has
got a lot on his plate that we have to discuss,
as you know, and if we if we if we
intrude too far into his time slot, he pouts.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I mean, he's like a wide receiver. Doesn't do He's
just gonna start feeling sorry for himself. Well, he doesn't
have anything else to do.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
That's true too, I keep him busy.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, you're right, that's exactly. I don't want to be like, no,
that doesn't sound Luigi. Thank you great stuff as well. Thanks,
and we'll latch out next week.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Thanks Louis, thank you.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
That's Alu Nanny joining us.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Mace is in the face, in our faces already, he's
in studio. Let's get a top of the hour break.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Horrific. Well, I shouldn't use that term.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I'll go devastating Indiana University injury news, which I want
to discuss with Mace and even maybe get some insight
from him regarding this kind of injury if it ever
happened to one of his teams that he coached.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Celebration.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, we'll get into a lot of other stuff as well.
If you have questions for Mace, Bradshawn Bryant k FA
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