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Speaker 1 (00:15):
My deep dive into the mediocre nature of this sports
market from a men's professional sports standpoint is never ending.
We explored this again yesterday early in the show, and
my latest deep dive was to go back, what's this year?
(00:38):
Is it twenty twenty five? I went back to the
year two thousand, so quarter century, quarter century the last
twenty five years. And these numbers are unofficial because I
did them in a hurry, So I'll try to stand
by them, but I'm not going to pretend they might
not be like one or two off.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But I don't think they'd be much off. And here's
what I have.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Over the last twenty five years. Because a lot of
what we discussed yesterday was our lack of playoffs success. Right,
the Wild have not gotten out of the first round
in a decade. The Wolves finally have turned it, it seems,
after you know, not making the playoffs it felt like forever.
(01:25):
The Twins have been in and out on that, Vikings
have been in and out on that. But the emphasis
was on, well, once the few times we got there,
what did we do? And you know, in the case
of the Wolves, they've been now to the conference finals
three times they got there. What twenty some years ago
and then finally got back the last two years. That's
(01:47):
the nice change. The wild have done it once, very
early in their history. The Vikings have done it a
few times, but then they really haven't been competitive, most
recently when they got there to the NFC title run.
I guess you would say, but there's another side to
this that I think also should be emphasized in reinforcing
(02:10):
just how bad we've had it here without maybe even
realizing it. If you go back to two thousand, I
have the wild Wolves, Twins and Vikings missing the playoffs entirely,
a combined fifty seven times.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
The stories a stadium could.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Tell fifty seven. All this negativity that's in this town sucks.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Now, Let's remember something. It doesn't take a lot to
make the NBA playoffs. It doesn't take a lot. Well,
maybe it doesn't that you could argue in the Western
Conference these days, but in general, doesn't take a lot.
It's not a banner worthy achievement to make the playoffs
in the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Correct, in the NHL.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Baseball it's becoming less and less a badge of honor,
just the act of getting there. You could say, it's
been a little more challenging. Fewer teams than football than
the hockey and basketball, and in the case of the Vikings,
even that, there's been a little bit of inflation, right
because we've added some teams as well.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Fifty seven times we haven't even gotten there.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And for the record, here's our since two thousand, those
four teams combined record in the postseason eighty six victories,
one hundred and fifty one losses.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Did you see the game?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Eighty six.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
And one f one.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You want to do the winning percentageize, don't.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's not very good.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It can't. It doesn't sound very good, does it.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Know?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Somebody and I forgot to save it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
When we got into this yesterday morning, somebody did the
deep dive in a different way.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
They compared. We're one of the few markets.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
How many markets have the big four sports on the
men's side.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
York, Yeah, Boston, Chicago, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Detroit. There
aren't that many the Las Boston, yeah. And the number
of of of markets lay back up of the of
the markets that have all the teams. Our overall winning
percentage was dead last Yeah, probably not close, and.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
It wasn't close.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And there were we were like in the three hundreds,
and there were a few markets that were over collectively
over five hundred.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And there's sports radios. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That explains it. Yeah, it's not good. This has been
a depressing a couple of days. I'm not gonna lie.
The rain I think got to you. I think the
gloominess got to you this week that you want to
go down this road and revisit this path. Well, just
because it is something that we all know in the
back of our minds, but I think it's one of
those things you.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Have to you have to reemphasize it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Pain, Like a therapist would say, it's a pain that
you haven't dealt with. Correct, It's a pain that you're suppressing.
It's a pain that you're leaving down there. And those pains,
those the dangerous ones, I believe, because you got to
deal with them at some point. The longer you suppress them,
they just sit there. And this has been one of
those weekends where it doesn't feel good to get all
of this out, and unfortunately, I don't think it's going
(05:12):
to make us feel any better though, which is the
point now of trying to get all of this stuff
out very very That's sad but true. I would say
you got to deal with the feeling. You gotta get
the feelings out. Well, I think you do.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You have to hit it head on. I think you
can't run from it or pretend it's not true. But
also for me, part of this is not forgetting it,
because I do think you get so immune to it,
almost som numb to it, that you raw.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You forget that. No it you people don't have a.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Right to be mad at you if you're frustrated, so
well catch be more positive about It's like, well, positivity
is in part based on performance and on history, and
we got a lot of bad history. We really do
that that's gone on way too long. And maybe, as
the theory was offered up by Clayton yesterday, it all
goes back to this date, this very date, nineteen ninety one,
(06:03):
the curse of the Halloween Blizzard. Never thought of that,
I don't know, because everything has seemed to change since
the Halloween Blizzard. On the men's side, yeah, we keep
going with that qualifier.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
We're aware.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
On the women's side, but on the on the we
got the frisbee team. That's true finals this last year.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, very true.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So save your emails. But that's the clear line of demarcation,
isn't it. Yeah, when you think about it, that's our
billy goat for sure. It's not and I don't know
what we do with that, and it's not encouraging. Did
you see the I retweeted it the text the tweet
from Clayton today Hollywood or should say Halloween blizzard curse
Mount Pinatubo interrupted earlier that summer and may have played
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a role. Coloney and Wahlberg dealing with the perfect storm
in the Atlantic funneled the jet stream our way minus
I should say thirty eight inches of snow fell into
luth and twenty twenty nine would be thirty eight years.
Think about it, Well, that might be stretching it, that
last one Clayton goodness, but.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, it's uh, we were all there for it. What
we have to figure out is.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
What's the strategy for if that's the curse, how do
you reverse that curse?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes, that's what we're trying to figure out. That's what
we're not sure of.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Is it have to be like I said in El
Nino October, whereas the it's eighty degrees and there's a tornado.
Feel like we've had those. Yeah, we have good heandos
or La ninas, whatever we're supposed to have. I don't know.
Maybe it's another blizzard. It's very difficult to say. All right,
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point thirty tonight. Do you know if we have on
this show any.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Credible mid dot sources.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm guessing we don't because I have over the years
ripped them as often as I have, and I understand
that's now hanging fruit and everybody likes doing it and
it's cliched and all that stuff, And I feel like
we would have because of that, gotten some mid dot sources.
You know, people that say, hey, you're off on this,
or well you pull this threat, Maybe you'd have the
answer to the question, do we have any notion as
(08:43):
to when the absolute major war zone like construction that's
taking place on off of three ninety four right near
us on Louisiana and Xenia Park place, when that project,
which looks like by the way at the end of
it isn't going to be that much more efficient than
what we have right now. I hate to say it's.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Starting to come together, you can tell, but I'm not
exactly what we're going to get out of it.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Is there any estimate because it doesn't look to me
like it will be done until the spring? Oh really,
I think it looks like it's almost done, does at
least in one of the exits. But I don't know
if there are more optimistic maybe people you probably are, Uh,
there may be people out there that can answer the question,
because you know, my pet, Peeve I've talked about it
is that to this point, the way they've done it,
(09:31):
they did not need to shut both exits down.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
They could have found a.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Way, at least for a portion of this period to
keep one of them open instead of we'll do them
back to back so that we're inconveniencing everybody who wants
to get off on either of those very busy exits
in the What would that technically be Saint Louis Park
or Minneapolis. I don't even know Louis Park, and.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Help on that.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Let me know this is also this isn't traffic or
construction related, but it is driving related. Nothing scientific about this.
Maybe it's just bad luck, but has something when it
comes to the rules of the road, one of them
that I grew up with was that when you are
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on a dark road where there are not a lot
of street lights and visibility can be a bit challenging,
you have an opportunity to put on what they call
in the business, or.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
They used to call your bright lights.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Right, Yeah, an extra headlight, whatever it is, whatever constitutes
bright lights.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But the rule of thumb that most of us were taught.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Was that as quickly as possible, when someone in their
car is coming from the other direction, you turn your
bright lights off so they're not blinded trying to go
by you. Is that message no longer conveyed?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Nobody cares?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I will tell you that in the last three weeks,
multiple double digit occasions in which I've run across this
where it's really the people coming from there. They've got
their brights on, and no matter what you do to
try to remind them, they just keep them on.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So is it I don't care?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I'm not really affecting you, so it shouldn't matter. Even
though it does affect you, it can't affect you. What's
the deal? How difficult is it to remember to turn
off your bright bleeping lights? I didn't think it was
that big of a challenge, but it appears to me
it's becoming that. I'm curious if other people are having
that experience that you're having, because I don't recall having
(11:48):
that recently. Really, No, maybe it's just my Larry David
like battle, Yeah, people are finding you.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I feel like I always see people power down. Sometimes
it feels like people hit a bump in the road
or whatever and their lights get brighter for like a
split second and they kind of like flash right at
you and then drop down. I don't know, and a
lot of cars now away. You know, I'll be honest.
Sometimes you forget sure and so then you if you
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are signaled though by the other person, that's oh, you're right,
My bad man. I'll turn them down. Sorry, it shouldn't
be that difficult. But we got people who maybe they
don't even do they are there people who have it's
been so long since they've taken a driver's test, for example,
because I don't even think it would give them anymore
that they don't even know that. That's the rule of thought.
That's thing that No, No, it's dark around here and
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they I'm not really affecting anybody else. I'm just going
to keep my bright lights on to because it helps
me see better. I think all this goes back to
Parrington parenting, probably because I can vividly remember, you know,
and you've got family to live in Iowa and Wisconsin.
You're on a lot of two lane dark roads at night,
driving for the holidays or family activities, graduations at the
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University Minnesota. And I remember my parents always tell me
when I'm a kid, when I was a kid, yeah,
you gotta you gotta power down. You go brights when
you can, but you gotta power down because you got
to help out the other drivers too.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It all goes back to parenting. It's not just your road.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Like if we just say it's just not your your
commercial aircraft. You're not in a private plane around with
other people. We struck a nerve because there are a
number of people who are weighing in on this, and
they're adding some interesting wrinkles. For example, today, these new
car headlights are so bright they look like bright lights.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I wondered that too.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
If you flash them and nothing happens, that's possible. To
that point, Hendo, these new crazy bright led headlights. Hate them.
Those are their low beams. Now, I am aware of
some of that, but in most of the cases I'm
looking at not the brightness, but it's the it's it's
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the cars that have two headlights and they're not both
supposed to be on. If if you are if you
do not have your bright lights on, I don't believe
to that point. Hold On, I had a good one
here where they're coming in fast. This was from a
(14:18):
I think a delivery driver problem. I like these, Yeah,
I know LEDs. Dan just did a complete Jerry Seinfeld,
What is the deal with? What's the deal without Carl that?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Where did it go?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The Curby enthusiasm, Larry David getting tpee because he refused
to give yes like some eighteen year olds, Candy and
Curby enthusiasm. It's outstanding, There's no question it's it's one
of the best. Lots of new cars today have automatic
brights and you just let the car do it for you.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Those are the beautiful people cars. You have the thing
my ram truck. I never have to touch it. We're
happy for you and your ram truck.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Dan, It's not just you.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'm a professional delivery driver and I get this fifty
thousand times a week now.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Again, the led part is part of the story, but.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I'm not buying that's that explains all of it. I
think it's another example of we all are so self
absorbed that we literally think that we when we're out
on the road or on an airplane or in public,
we don't have to mess with anybody else. I mean,
(15:33):
this happened good example of this. Can't remember the name
of the store I took g and a couple of
her buddies to. This was several weeks ago, mall of hysteria.
This was for a prom and they all wanted to
go to the same outlet. I cannot remember the name
of the place. All I know is the line. It
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was easy enough to get in, but the line to
try something on was literally an hour long. So I
just am doing laps while, you know, while they're waiting
in line, and they got into I mean that a
woman with a stroller I presume a young kid as well,
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just decided that she couldn't wait.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
She just decided I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
So I am going to force my way into this line,
basically saying I'm sorry, I can't wait. You're gonna have
to let me in the percentage of individuals I believe
capable of that kind of haughtiness. It's always existed, but
I think it's way up and it's all part of
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the same piece, this this self absorption notion that I
my time is more valuable. No, no, you're not as
busy as me. You can't be as busy as me.
And I need to get in there. And by the way,
there are people and God bless them, in the checkout
line at the grocery store, and I give credit. They'll
see somebody behind them. They'll have like thirty items and
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they'll see somebody behind them has four, and they'll go,
you go ahead of me. The people I melt when
people do that. That's amazing. I buy all their stuff.
I'm not sure I'm even capable of it. But I
but I. But that's the sign that that's the behavior
where you go, well, that's someone who gets it that
the world doesn't revolve around them. And then you got
these chumblones. And I'm gonna put my brights on. I
don't care. I'm gonna take my shoes and socks off
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in the in the in the in the airplane, I
don't care. I don't care what my feet look like
or smell like, doesn't matter. You're just gonna have to
deal with it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I bought it. I bought a seat. It's my seat.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Or I'm gonna keep my brides on, or I'm gonna
you know, I'm just gonna butt in line. And by
the way, in this case, you're trying, as an adult
to intimidate adolescent girls largely, you know, which is another
thing that that really annoyed me about the whole thing.
You're just trying to scare them. To their credit, they
didn't they didn't budge.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
They said, what.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I mean, come on, there's a there's a GUARDSI line.
We'd still be in line there, so perrero in line.
They weren't getting oh that's too good. All right, let's
do this. Let's pause. Maybe we can get to the
bottom of this controversy and talk to Ben Gestling about
the Vikings latest injury updates his confidence level for Vikings Lions.
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Is this the week the Vikings can indeed plant their feet?
How important is it that they attempt to do so?
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Speaker 4 (18:34):
Next.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Questions for Ben Gesling hit the branch on Brian k
f a N text line six four six eighty six.
One of the great things about doing a radio show
rather than being on television is you do not have
to on Halloween feel obligated to go to Drosoprokos to
every show on ESPN, even Cornheiser and Wilbon.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
My God, radio doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well, I guess it can matter if we're a show
that is live streamed, but we rarely are in that position.
We're lucky if anybody's still here by the time we're
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Speaker 2 (19:45):
I'll ask you, you're not in the well.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You're in a business that's becoming more visual, even the
inkstained retch business. Now you guys got to do videos,
et cetera. So was there any pressure today to get
dressed up in some I'm kind of a costume for
any of the video stuff that you guys occasionally do
at the Start Tribune.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah, I mean I did shoot a video today, but no,
I felt no great pressure to be in a costume.
I was trying to think when I was in my
ESPN days, if I ever was on TV on Halloween,
and if that ever came up, I don't recall. I mean,
the Viking's played on Halloween. I think one of my
maybe my last year at ESPN, it was a Monday
night game. But no, I don't think I've ever had
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to do it. I think my usual joke would be
that I'm going dressed as a reporter who didn't have
time to think of anything clever. So but no nothing
today that was requiring me to be particularly festive for
the holiday, at least on camera.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Well, the closest we came to it, Lori Fisher, who
executive produces the Enough Said program and joins us weekly,
has already I mean, she's worn five different costumes this week,
and I did go along with because I knew she'd
be bitter if I didn't. She found I think she
said her mom bought some like so called scary masks
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too from Walmart and gave one to me, one to
guard Zy, one to her, and for one of our
promotional things, we all wore the silly masks. That's the
closest that I think that I have indeed come to it.
So I'm glad you did not have to get dragged
down into that muck all that much.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Tell us.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Did I read this rite that those of you who
attended the KFC presser today came away from it fairly
optimistic or that the coach seemed reasonably optimistic that both
of our starting tackles offensive tackles might play on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yes, that is in fact the case, and I think
they will have to figure out a little bit of it.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
As you go towards it.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
I mean, Christian Darisaw got a limited portion of work today.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
After being full on Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
This has kind of been the pattern they've been in
with him as he comes back from that knee injury.
But yeah, I think they're optimistic about him. And then
Brian O'Neil was full today, So yes, I think there's
a good chance they have both of them on Sunday.
And I think O'Neil is probably as big of a
deal as anybody given the fact that Aiden Hutchinson lines
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up on that side of the line more often, so
O'Neil will get a lot of that work if he
is in fact out there at right tackle. But yeah,
there's optimism optimism about those two. And then Andrew van Ginkel.
We should see him for the first time in a
few weeks here as well.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
He was a full participant all week.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Sounds like he's got a good chance to play on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Let's examine a little more depth of darisaw story, because
it has struck me this week that, if nothing else,
what we seem to be learning is that the Vikings
messaging on Darisaw has not been particularly effective because what
Darisaw has basically said is hey, look all along, it's
a twelve month deal. And actually I was at little
bit ahead and now maybe a little bit behind, but
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we all should have known all along that this is
going to be part of the process. And I don't
I'm not disputing that, but in the trenches with you guys,
I don't since throughout training camp and even to the
start of the season that that was the message that
the Vikings had been sending. And it's it's it's a
challenge because you don't want to say, well, he's not
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going to be ready. But to me, I think they
could have done a better job protecting Darisaw a little bit,
unless you'll tell me they might be as surprised as
everybody else is on the way this thing has gone
and the way Darisaw has has handled it the last
few weeks.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Well, I think it's sort of a two stage thing
because in one sense, I mean, this injury was bad
enough that you know it's it's not just the ACL
or he had other ligament damage in there as well,
So you are, i think, always trying to project a
little bit in terms of how effectively somebody can come
back in that amount of time, because they are, you know,
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they're trying to get him back. I suppose by the
time it's late October when it happens to sure the
beginning of the season, you're talking ten and a half
eleven months. But he had done so well in the
rehab that I think they were pretty optimistic coming out
of the summer based on the work he'd done in
the rehab. But I think there has been a little
bit of this. It's been a moving target. I think
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in some ways of does he feel confident in it,
does he feel like there's any residual effects of it
where I can trust it, I can feel like I
can do everything I need to do, or do you
kind of go through some of these things that just
make you, you know, there's something that lingers in the
back of your mind saying, yeah, I'm I'm moving forward,
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I'm making progress. But I don't quite know if it
is one hundred percent a closed case in terms of
the injury, and it's probably not going to be a
completely close case this year. I think we are going
to see this rhythm of full on Wednesday and then
probably having a day of recovery in a sense, and
then you see what he does what he does on Friday.
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I think you're going to see that continue throughout the years.
So I think the messaging of it is probably a
little bit of the way he handled the rehab created
a lot of optimism, but then when you get into
more of the football stuff, it's you learn a little
more of, hey, this is actually pretty complex yet, and
trying to have him have full confidence in it, I
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think is part of the battle.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So a lot of I know, a lot of the way.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
That they've handled workloads with him on this has been
a discussion where he has a voice in what he
wants to do and what he feels comfortable doing. And
I think you know that has been a little different
every week too, when you're coming into a Thursday game,
I know, you know, some of those things play into
how confident is he and the work that he's had
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and the recovery time that he's had between games. And
so I think now the hope is that once you're
on this Sunday to Sunday routine for a while, that
it's a little easier to make this a little more predictable.
I certainly think that's what they are hoping will happen.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
As we go forward.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Here, I have linked the current delicate condition of the
Vikings to a famous pat Riley quote for the kids.
Pat Riley, once upon a time, well, it was actually
a very good player in college at the University of Kentucky.
And then he was an NBA player who once appeared
by the way, he had a cameo role in a
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Colombo episode. That's a story for another day. And then
ultimately he went on to become the very successful head
coach of Showtime Los Angeles Lakers, and then reinvented himself
in New York, and then reinvented himself again in Miami,
ultimately now being the guy who runs the show. And
way back when this is from Showtime Showtime days, Ryles
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once offered those of us who had a good vibe
with him, we called him Ryles had this quote every
now and then somewhere some play sometime, you're going to
have to plant your feet, stand firm, and make a
point about who you are and what you believe in.
That sounds very grandiose, but it worked for him in
a sports production and performance sense. The question for you
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is if it at least technically seems to apply to
the delicate condition of the Vikings in danger of dropping
to three and five out of the race. If they
can't get it done on the road against a very
good Lion's team, that the season might be coming. A
part the question, though, is are the Vikings equipped at
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this moment to truly plant their feet? Do they have
it in them physically to handle what Riley seems to
be seem to be challenging his own team about mentally.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Yeah, I'm wondering when he said that if that was
in the height of the Showtime Lakers, because that obviously
was a team that was pretty capable of planting its face.
It had quite a bit of equity with which to
do it. I think it's a good question. I think
given the health situations right now, given the fact that
JJ McCarthy is looking for it, still looking for his
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first consistent four quarters of an NFL game, there's a
lot that they have to do. I mean, if you're
going to plant your feet, it would be easier to
do so on a foundation that's probably a little firmer
than the one they have at the moment. I think
they are going to be healthier than they've been, but
this particular matchup especially with the struggles they've had stopping
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the run. I don't like it from that perspective. And
then they are going to have to have a good
plan for McCarthy. Given the pass rush they're going to see.
I would expect you'll see him, you know, try to
have a little bit of a moving pocket. You're making
Aiden Hutchinson try to tire himself out a little bit,
chase McCarthy around. It'll be a lot of that kind
of stuff. But they have enough between healthy players in
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between injured players. It's just kind of not on solid
footing that I think it is hard to say that
this is a team that, hey, we know what we have,
we know what we've been and we say enough is enough,
and we're capable of delivering on that. I think it
would be a little easier to do that if there
was a little more stability. So yeah, I mean, I
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think the notion is right that you do have to
be able to do that. Sometimes I just I have
my questions about whether the current state of this team
is one that would allow them to do that.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
That's the critical a critical question for sure. You mentioned Hutchinson,
Aiden Hutchinson. Of course, the Vikings did not have to
face him the last time these two teams met. It
sounds as if he has indeed been beast like this
season six sacks in seven games. You know via your
preview of sizing up the matchup that he now has
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thirteen and a half sacks in his last twelve games,
leads the league with four forced fumbles. So who where
does he line up and who gets the unenviable task
of attempting to deal with the beast that is Aiden Hutchinson.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah, he has been on quite a run here, and
I think before he had that gruesome injury last year
early in the year, people were talking about him as
a possible Defensive Player of the Year candidate. And he's
kind of picked up where he's left off. So I
mean he'll be there left end quite a bit on Sunday,
which means he lined up across from Brian O'Neill. I
would expect it's Brian O'Neill with some help. I would
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think they're going to try to get some things on
Hutchinson to slow him down.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
You know, that's probably TJ.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Hockinson playing a little bit of that, either as an
extra protector or chipping against his former teammate. I would
imagine that's going to be a role that falls to
him quite a bit. With Josh Oliver out, with CJ.
Ham out, I think they'll have to devote some help there,
even if Brian O'Neill is feeling good enough to go
back and play, which I think he will play. But yeah,
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it is it's a lot for them to deal with
because he's been as explosive as dynamic as just about
any pass rusher in the league. And they've had a
run of these here, whether it's Miles Garrett or whether
it's Jalen Carter, some of the guys that the Eagles
have around him. They have had a lot of pass rushers,
I mean even Khalil Mack kind of dusting it off
last week former you know, longtime Biking's boogeyman, Khalil Mack.
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They've had a lot of people that demand a lot
of attention. And that's where this the health of this
offensive line becomes tricky because you have tackles that you
normally would be able to say, hey, you've got him,
and we don't need to worry about it a whole lot.
We don't need to send the extra help this way
but when it's a player of Hutchinson's stature and O'Neill
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is coming off of this injury and trying to work
through it, it makes it more difficult. And then you
go to the other side and how much is Dari
Saw able to just kind of set it and forget
it there and you're still gonna You're still gonna have
Blake Brandell at center, you know, kind of trying to
find his footing there again after a rough game, you know,
a couple of weeks ago here and working with JJ
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McCarthy setting protections and figuring out where to devote the
extra help. All of that is particularly difficult to do.
So I think the combination of all of those factors,
whether it's new people in new places, or the guys
that you count on pretty heavily not being one hundred
percent and the pass rusher that you're going to see
across the line, that's a lot to deal with. I
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don't think that part of it is going to be
terribly easy for them to manage. I think if they
do it, it certainly is going to require a pretty significant
effort to get it done.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Ben Gaeslink Star Tobune and stardibune dot com. Lavelle will
join at about five thirty ben with us. Now, you know,
I think the chalk would tell you, the unemotional will
tell you. With the kid quarterback coming back, play a
controlled passing game, hand the ball off, don't try early
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for too many big plays, just kind of get some
first downs and extend drives. There's another part of me
that says, as odd as this sounds, maybe in a
game where you go in as heavy underdogs lots of
reasons to wonder whether you can plant your feet, that
what you need to do is what Seawan Salisbury suggests
you do every once in a while is just fling it.
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And it almost sounds like a contradiction for everything I've
said in the past. And I'm not saying throw the
ball fifty seven times. But sometimes it's one of those
or two of those plays that you're not expecting where
you're and you're able to make a you know, a
forty seven yard completion downfield that perhaps might be the
only chance for the Vikings to sort of put the
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Lions on their heels a little bit and make this
game more interesting. How do you think koc is going
to calculate it.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
I mean, I think they will have some things where
you do have to manage it for McCarthy's sake, But
there is some wisdom in what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I think for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Number one, that level of confidence for him to kind
of make a couple of plays like that, I think
would be a big deal. I think, I know he's
feeling pretty eager, pretty excited, feeling pretty good about where
he's at physically, and you know, maybe you can build
off of that and get some plays downfield that kind
of help him carry that forward. But the other reason
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I think to do that is if you can get
the Lions playing from behind. I mean, the Vikings have
not played with the lead much at all this year,
and the Lions are set up very well to play
with the lead because of how much they want to
run the ball and how effectively they do it. If
you put them in a situation where they can't lean
on that quite as much and they've got to drop
back and get Jared Goff making plays. And Jared Goff
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is having a tremendous year, but he is still vulnerable
to pressure at times, and he doesn't get pressured a
lot behind that line. But if you can get to
him and you can make him affected by some of
those things, we have seen him turn the all over.
The few times he's done it have been when he
is dealing with pressure, and it's easier to apply that
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when you're playing with the leads. So I think to
whatever degree you can do that, and maybe that is
a couple of shots downfield early. I'm sure they will
have some of those things in there that they'll want
to try to get to. I think there's reason to
jump on people that Vikings have not done it well,
and the Lions are not a team that you want
to get behind because of all of the things that
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they do, So yeah, I think there would be some
logic to try and to do that if they can
pull it off.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Seventy four point nine percent completion rate percentage for golf,
and again a lot of those are short passes, but
that accuracy is tremendous. Part of the reason I think
the Lions are so much fun to watch is the
two headed ground attack, which is more than a ground
attack obviously, right, because Gibbs can make catches as well.
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Two hundred and eighteen yards from scrimmage against Tampa Bay
Tampa Bay, October twenty.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Here's the stat that got me.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And you have these, like I said in your preview,
Gibbs is averaging five point five point one yards per carry,
and the backup, David Montgomery, he's averaging four point.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Six yards per carry.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
They are just so damned good at playing off the run,
and obviously they're not afraid to throw, but running and
using running backs in whatever they're doing, I mean, to me,
that's the ultimate fantasy. And I guess I know the Vikings.
Neither of the Vikings runners are as good as Gibbs.
There's not a lot of runners as good as Gibbs.
But part of the reason I think their offense per
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so well is they can implement the use of their
running game and their running backs as often as they do.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Yeah, it's absolutely right. And I think the other thing
that they do that kind of helps them lean into
this is they go forward a lot on fourth downs.
And what that does, I think to a defense is
you're not sitting there after third down and saying, okay,
we got to stop. We get off the field, We've
got to go one more and it's probably going to
be short yardage in a lot of these cases, and
you have running backs that know how to get yards.
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But whether it's Montgomery between the tackles or Gibbs being
as elusive as he is, I mean, Gibbs is I
don't think anybody gets that close to Barry Sanders in
terms of their dynamism on the field. I mean, I
was a kid growing up watching Barry Sanders, and I
don't think there's anybody that runs quite the same way,
at least in my lifetime as him. But Gibbs gets
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closer to that where it's you think you've got him
and he takes an ankle away, or he takes a
shoulder away, or he gives you a cut that you're
just kind of grasping an error. And that can be
effective in a short yard of situation too, because he
creates something out of nothing. I think the two of
them doing that as well as they do has a
cumulative effect. I mean there's kind of this discussion in
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football of does running the ball a lot have something
have an effect where it wears a defense down. I
think a lot of the analytics would say, no, there's
nothing to that. But I think if you talk to
players when a team runs the ball this well, and
they say we are going to run it on fourth
and one and then hey, we got a first down.
You're set to have to try to do this four
more times. It just has an effect to wear you
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down and at least mentally wear you down. So yeah,
I think what they do they do extremely well, and
they've figured out how to play off of it with
the play action with Jared Goff, and I think just
a lot of the approach with Dan Campbell is I
don't give a rip, I'm going to go for it
and we're gonna play a little loose, and I think
players feed off of that well.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Lastly, I'm looking at the NFL team defense statistics and
it's fascinating to see at least in terms of yards
given up rushing per game. That doesn't always you know,
necessarily factor in yards per attempt, but yeah, looking at
here's here are your top one, two, three four teams
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on handling the rush terms of yardage yielded. One is Seattle,
two is New England, three is Green Bay, and four
the Lions. Those are teams all teams with very good records.
New England has finally emerged a little bit this year
as Seattle as well, and maybe that answers the question
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about how stubborn the Vikings can get about trying to
establish a bit of the run. According to these numbers,
the Lions are pretty good against the Rush.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yeah, and the tricky part of that you mentioned those teams.
The Vikings are going to see three of them this month.
That's right, I mean it is if you're talking about
ways to support JJ McCarthy and do some of these
things that I think they've wanted to do, where it's
you can run the ball, you can make things a
little less on his shoulders, less of a drop back game,
less of a hey, you've got to throw it forty times.
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These are teams that will make it very difficult to
do that. So if they're able to find something, I
think it's a lot of credit to them if they're
able to make it happen against these particular teams, But
it does make it more difficult to do it when
they're facing the types of affronts that they are. And
then you add to it Hutchinson, and then you know,
in a couple of weeks you're going to see the
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Packers with Michael Parsons and Rashaun Kerry and then Seattle
with Leonard Williams in the middle. I mean, there's there's
a lot of high end, blue chip type players they're
going to see and they're gonna have to deal with
with this line and none of that is going to
be very easy to do. So the attempts to make
this offense as user friendly as they can for McCarthy
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do get difficult when you have teams of this quality,
and I think it's going to You don't want it
to fall in the kid, but there may be some
moments where it does, and if he's able to answer
to it, it's probably a reason to have quite a
bit of confidence because they are facing as tough of
a schedule, especially the next month, is just about anyone
in the league. I was looking this up and I
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think this is in the preview too, but they have
not lost five straight to the Lions since their first
five games against them ever, and that streak ended, and
as a JFK JFK historian ficionado that you are, that's
freak ended. Two days after the assassination, Peter Roselle decided
to play those games that Sunday. That's when they finally
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broke it up, the famous decision not to postpone after
the assassination.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
For the record, Vikings ranked twenty fourth in the league
against the run, a stat that you know, well, I'm
sure and doesn't surprise anybody that's watched this team against
the run. And that's another scary thing about this particular matchup.
I mean, we're down there with the Jets, the Tennessee Titans,
the Bears, a number of bottom feeding teams. So there's
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a lot of improving that's going to have to take
place beyond whatever happens at the quarterback position. Have a
wonderful trip into Detroit, Michigan, and we will talk next week.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Thank you, Ben, all right, sounds good, Thanks Dan, Ben Gestling.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
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will include what wild Wolves and a World Series update.
My deep dive into the mediocre nature of this sports
market from a men's professional sports standpoint is never ending.
We explored this again yesterday early in the show, and
my latest deep dive was to go back, what's this year?
(00:38):
Is it twenty twenty five? I went back to the
year two thousand, so quarter century, quarter century the last
twenty five years. And these numbers are unofficial because I
did them in a hurry, So I'll try to stand
by them, but I'm not going to pretend they might
not be like one or two off.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But I don't think they'd be much off. And here's
what I have.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Over the last twenty five years. Because a lot of
what we discussed yesterday was our lack of playoffs success. Right,
the Wild have not gotten out of the first round
in a decade. The Wolves finally have turned it, it seems,
after you know, not making the playoffs it felt like forever.
(01:25):
The Twins have been in and out on that, Vikings
have been in and out on that. But the emphasis
was on, well, once the few times we got there,
what did we do? And you know, in the case
of the Wolves, they've been now to the conference finals
three times they got there. What twenty some years ago
and then finally got back the last two years. That's
(01:47):
the nice change. The wild have done it once, very
early in their history. The Vikings have done it a
few times, but then they really haven't been competitive, most
recently when they got there to the NFC title run.
I guess you would say, but there's another side to
this that I think also should be emphasized in reinforcing
(02:10):
just how bad we've had it here without maybe even
realizing it. If you go back to two thousand, I
have the wild Wolves, Twins and Vikings missing the playoffs entirely,
a combined fifty seven times.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
The stories a stadium could.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Tell fifty seven. All this negativity that's in this town sucks.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Now, Let's remember something. It doesn't take a lot to
make the NBA playoffs. It doesn't take a lot. Well,
maybe it doesn't that you could argue in the Western
Conference these days, but in general, doesn't take a lot.
It's not a banner worthy achievement to make the playoffs
in the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Correct, in the NHL.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Baseball it's becoming less and less a badge of honor,
just the act of getting there. You could say, it's
been a little more challenging. Fewer teams than football than
the hockey and basketball, and in the case of the Vikings,
even that, there's been a little bit of inflation, right
because we've added some teams as well.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Fifty seven times we haven't even gotten there.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And for the record, here's our since two thousand, those
four teams combined record in the postseason eighty six victories,
one hundred and fifty one losses.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Did you see the game?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Eighty six.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
And one f one.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You want to do the winning percentageize, don't.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It's not very good.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It can't. It doesn't sound very good, does it.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Know?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Somebody and I forgot to save it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
When we got into this yesterday morning, somebody did the
deep dive in a different way.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
They compared. We're one of the few markets.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
How many markets have the big four sports on the
men's side.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
York, Yeah, Boston, Chicago, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Detroit. There
aren't that many the Las Boston, yeah. And the number
of of of markets lay back up of the of
the markets that have all the teams. Our overall winning
percentage was dead last Yeah, probably not close, and.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
It wasn't close.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And there were we were like in the three hundreds,
and there were a few markets that were over collectively
over five hundred.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And there's sports radios. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That explains it. Yeah, it's not good. This has been
a depressing a couple of days. I'm not gonna lie.
The rain I think got to you. I think the
gloominess got to you this week that you want to
go down this road and revisit this path. Well, just
because it is something that we all know in the
back of our minds, but I think it's one of
those things you.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Have to you have to reemphasize it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Pain, Like a therapist would say, it's a pain that
you haven't dealt with. Correct, It's a pain that you're suppressing.
It's a pain that you're leaving down there. And those pains,
those the dangerous ones, I believe, because you got to
deal with them at some point. The longer you suppress them,
they just sit there. And this has been one of
those weekends where it doesn't feel good to get all
of this out, and unfortunately, I don't think it's going
(05:12):
to make us feel any better though, which is the
point now of trying to get all of this stuff
out very very That's sad but true. I would say
you got to deal with the feeling. You gotta get
the feelings out. Well, I think you do.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You have to hit it head on. I think you
can't run from it or pretend it's not true. But
also for me, part of this is not forgetting it,
because I do think you get so immune to it,
almost som numb to it, that you raw.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You forget that. No it you people don't have a.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Right to be mad at you if you're frustrated, so
well catch be more positive about It's like, well, positivity
is in part based on performance and on history, and
we got a lot of bad history. We really do
that that's gone on way too long. And maybe, as
the theory was offered up by Clayton yesterday, it all
goes back to this date, this very date, nineteen ninety one,
(06:03):
the curse of the Halloween Blizzard. Never thought of that,
I don't know, because everything has seemed to change since
the Halloween Blizzard. On the men's side, yeah, we keep
going with that qualifier.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
We're aware.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
On the women's side, but on the on the we
got the frisbee team. That's true finals this last year.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, very true.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So save your emails. But that's the clear line of demarcation,
isn't it. Yeah, when you think about it, that's our
billy goat for sure. It's not and I don't know
what we do with that, and it's not encouraging. Did
you see the I retweeted it the text the tweet
from Clayton today Hollywood or should say Halloween blizzard curse
Mount Pinatubo interrupted earlier that summer and may have played
(06:47):
a role. Coloney and Wahlberg dealing with the perfect storm
in the Atlantic funneled the jet stream our way minus
I should say thirty eight inches of snow fell into
luth and twenty twenty nine would be thirty eight years.
Think about it, Well, that might be stretching it, that
last one Clayton goodness, but.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, it's uh, we were all there for it. What
we have to figure out is.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
What's the strategy for if that's the curse, how do
you reverse that curse?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes, that's what we're trying to figure out. That's what
we're not sure of.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Is it have to be like I said in El
Nino October, whereas the it's eighty degrees and there's a tornado.
Feel like we've had those. Yeah, we have good heandos
or La ninas, whatever we're supposed to have. I don't know.
Maybe it's another blizzard. It's very difficult to say. All right,
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(08:00):
up bottom of the hour. Leavelle is scheduled for five
point thirty tonight. Do you know if we have on
this show any.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Credible mid dot sources.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm guessing we don't because I have over the years
ripped them as often as I have, and I understand
that's now hanging fruit and everybody likes doing it and
it's cliched and all that stuff, And I feel like
we would have because of that, gotten some mid dot sources.
You know, people that say, hey, you're off on this,
or well you pull this threat, Maybe you'd have the
answer to the question, do we have any notion as
(08:43):
to when the absolute major war zone like construction that's
taking place on off of three ninety four right near
us on Louisiana and Xenia Park place, when that project,
which looks like by the way at the end of
it isn't going to be that much more efficient than
what we have right now. I hate to say it's.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Starting to come together, you can tell, but I'm not
exactly what we're going to get out of it.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Is there any estimate because it doesn't look to me
like it will be done until the spring? Oh really,
I think it looks like it's almost done, does at
least in one of the exits. But I don't know
if there are more optimistic maybe people you probably are, Uh,
there may be people out there that can answer the question,
because you know, my pet, Peeve I've talked about it
is that to this point, the way they've done it,
(09:31):
they did not need to shut both exits down.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
They could have found a.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Way, at least for a portion of this period to
keep one of them open instead of we'll do them
back to back so that we're inconveniencing everybody who wants
to get off on either of those very busy exits
in the What would that technically be Saint Louis Park
or Minneapolis. I don't even know Louis Park, and.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Help on that.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Let me know this is also this isn't traffic or
construction related, but it is driving related. Nothing scientific about this.
Maybe it's just bad luck, but has something when it
comes to the rules of the road, one of them
that I grew up with was that when you are
(10:17):
on a dark road where there are not a lot
of street lights and visibility can be a bit challenging,
you have an opportunity to put on what they call
in the business, or.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
They used to call your bright lights.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Right, Yeah, an extra headlight, whatever it is, whatever constitutes
bright lights.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But the rule of thumb that most of us were taught.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Was that as quickly as possible, when someone in their
car is coming from the other direction, you turn your
bright lights off so they're not blinded trying to go
by you. Is that message no longer conveyed?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Nobody cares?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I will tell you that in the last three weeks,
multiple double digit occasions in which I've run across this
where it's really the people coming from there. They've got
their brights on, and no matter what you do to
try to remind them, they just keep them on.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So is it I don't care?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I'm not really affecting you, so it shouldn't matter. Even
though it does affect you, it can't affect you. What's
the deal? How difficult is it to remember to turn
off your bright bleeping lights? I didn't think it was
that big of a challenge, but it appears to me
it's becoming that. I'm curious if other people are having
that experience that you're having, because I don't recall having
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that recently. Really, No, maybe it's just my Larry David
like battle, Yeah, people are finding you.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I feel like I always see people power down. Sometimes
it feels like people hit a bump in the road
or whatever and their lights get brighter for like a
split second and they kind of like flash right at
you and then drop down. I don't know, and a
lot of cars now away. You know, I'll be honest.
Sometimes you forget sure and so then you if you
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are signaled though by the other person, that's oh, you're right,
My bad man. I'll turn them down. Sorry, it shouldn't
be that difficult. But we got people who maybe they
don't even do they are there people who have it's
been so long since they've taken a driver's test, for example,
because I don't even think it would give them anymore
that they don't even know that. That's the rule of thought.
That's thing that No, No, it's dark around here and
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they I'm not really affecting anybody else. I'm just going
to keep my bright lights on to because it helps
me see better. I think all this goes back to
Parrington parenting, probably because I can vividly remember, you know,
and you've got family to live in Iowa and Wisconsin.
You're on a lot of two lane dark roads at night,
driving for the holidays or family activities, graduations at the
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University Minnesota. And I remember my parents always tell me
when I'm a kid, when I was a kid, yeah,
you gotta you gotta power down. You go brights when
you can, but you gotta power down because you got
to help out the other drivers too.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It all goes back to parenting. It's not just your road.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Like if we just say it's just not your your
commercial aircraft. You're not in a private plane around with
other people. We struck a nerve because there are a
number of people who are weighing in on this, and
they're adding some interesting wrinkles. For example, today, these new
car headlights are so bright they look like bright lights.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I wondered that too.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
If you flash them and nothing happens, that's possible. To
that point, Hendo, these new crazy bright led headlights. Hate them.
Those are their low beams. Now, I am aware of
some of that, but in most of the cases I'm
looking at not the brightness, but it's the it's it's
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the cars that have two headlights and they're not both
supposed to be on. If if you are if you
do not have your bright lights on, I don't believe
to that point. Hold On, I had a good one
here where they're coming in fast. This was from a
(14:18):
I think a delivery driver problem. I like these, Yeah,
I know LEDs. Dan just did a complete Jerry Seinfeld,
What is the deal with? What's the deal without Carl that?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Where did it go?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The Curby enthusiasm, Larry David getting tpee because he refused
to give yes like some eighteen year olds, Candy and
Curby enthusiasm. It's outstanding, There's no question it's it's one
of the best. Lots of new cars today have automatic
brights and you just let the car do it for you.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Those are the beautiful people cars. You have the thing
my ram truck. I never have to touch it. We're
happy for you and your ram truck.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Dan, It's not just you.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'm a professional delivery driver and I get this fifty
thousand times a week now.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Again, the led part is part of the story, but.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I'm not buying that's that explains all of it. I
think it's another example of we all are so self
absorbed that we literally think that we when we're out
on the road or on an airplane or in public,
we don't have to mess with anybody else. I mean,
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this happened good example of this. Can't remember the name
of the store I took g and a couple of
her buddies to. This was several weeks ago, mall of hysteria.
This was for a prom and they all wanted to
go to the same outlet. I cannot remember the name
of the place. All I know is the line. It
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was easy enough to get in, but the line to
try something on was literally an hour long. So I
just am doing laps while, you know, while they're waiting
in line, and they got into I mean that a
woman with a stroller I presume a young kid as well,
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just decided that she couldn't wait.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
She just decided I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
So I am going to force my way into this line,
basically saying I'm sorry, I can't wait. You're gonna have
to let me in the percentage of individuals I believe
capable of that kind of haughtiness. It's always existed, but
I think it's way up and it's all part of
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the same piece, this this self absorption notion that I
my time is more valuable. No, no, you're not as
busy as me. You can't be as busy as me.
And I need to get in there. And by the way,
there are people and God bless them, in the checkout
line at the grocery store, and I give credit. They'll
see somebody behind them. They'll have like thirty items and
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they'll see somebody behind them has four, and they'll go,
you go ahead of me. The people I melt when
people do that. That's amazing. I buy all their stuff.
I'm not sure I'm even capable of it. But I
but I. But that's the sign that that's the behavior
where you go, well, that's someone who gets it that
the world doesn't revolve around them. And then you got
these chumblones. And I'm gonna put my brights on. I
don't care. I'm gonna take my shoes and socks off
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in the in the in the in the airplane, I
don't care. I don't care what my feet look like
or smell like, doesn't matter. You're just gonna have to
deal with it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I bought it. I bought a seat. It's my seat.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Or I'm gonna keep my brides on, or I'm gonna
you know, I'm just gonna butt in line. And by
the way, in this case, you're trying, as an adult
to intimidate adolescent girls largely, you know, which is another
thing that that really annoyed me about the whole thing.
You're just trying to scare them. To their credit, they
didn't they didn't budge.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
They said, what.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I mean, come on, there's a there's a GUARDSI line.
We'd still be in line there, so perrero in line.
They weren't getting oh that's too good. All right, let's
do this. Let's pause. Maybe we can get to the
bottom of this controversy and talk to Ben Gestling about
the Vikings latest injury updates his confidence level for Vikings Lions.
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Is this the week the Vikings can indeed plant their feet?
How important is it that they attempt to do so?
Ben is next right here in the fan. Time now
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Speaker 4 (18:34):
Next.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Questions for Ben Gesling hit the branch on Brian k
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rather than being on television is you do not have
to on Halloween feel obligated to go to Drosoprokos to
every show on ESPN, even Cornheiser and Wilbon.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
My God, radio doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well, I guess it can matter if we're a show
that is live streamed, but we rarely are in that position.
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Speaker 2 (19:45):
I'll ask you, you're not in the well.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You're in a business that's becoming more visual, even the
inkstained retch business. Now you guys got to do videos,
et cetera. So was there any pressure today to get
dressed up in some I'm kind of a costume for
any of the video stuff that you guys occasionally do
at the Start Tribune.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah, I mean I did shoot a video today, but no,
I felt no great pressure to be in a costume.
I was trying to think when I was in my
ESPN days, if I ever was on TV on Halloween,
and if that ever came up, I don't recall. I mean,
the Viking's played on Halloween. I think one of my
maybe my last year at ESPN, it was a Monday
night game. But no, I don't think I've ever had
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to do it. I think my usual joke would be
that I'm going dressed as a reporter who didn't have
time to think of anything clever. So but no nothing
today that was requiring me to be particularly festive for
the holiday, at least on camera.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Well, the closest we came to it, Lori Fisher, who
executive produces the Enough Said program and joins us weekly,
has already I mean, she's worn five different costumes this week,
and I did go along with because I knew she'd
be bitter if I didn't. She found I think she
said her mom bought some like so called scary masks
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too from Walmart and gave one to me, one to
guard Zy, one to her, and for one of our
promotional things, we all wore the silly masks. That's the
closest that I think that I have indeed come to it.
So I'm glad you did not have to get dragged
down into that muck all that much.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Tell us.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Did I read this rite that those of you who
attended the KFC presser today came away from it fairly
optimistic or that the coach seemed reasonably optimistic that both
of our starting tackles offensive tackles might play on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yes, that is in fact the case, and I think
they will have to figure out a little bit of it.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
As you go towards it.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
I mean, Christian Darisaw got a limited portion of work today.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
After being full on Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
This has kind of been the pattern they've been in
with him as he comes back from that knee injury.
But yeah, I think they're optimistic about him. And then
Brian O'Neil was full today, So yes, I think there's
a good chance they have both of them on Sunday.
And I think O'Neil is probably as big of a
deal as anybody given the fact that Aiden Hutchinson lines
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up on that side of the line more often, so
O'Neil will get a lot of that work if he
is in fact out there at right tackle. But yeah,
there's optimism optimism about those two. And then Andrew van Ginkel.
We should see him for the first time in a
few weeks here as well.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
He was a full participant all week.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Sounds like he's got a good chance to play on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Let's examine a little more depth of darisaw story, because
it has struck me this week that, if nothing else,
what we seem to be learning is that the Vikings
messaging on Darisaw has not been particularly effective because what
Darisaw has basically said is hey, look all along, it's
a twelve month deal. And actually I was at little
bit ahead and now maybe a little bit behind, but
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we all should have known all along that this is
going to be part of the process. And I don't
I'm not disputing that, but in the trenches with you guys,
I don't since throughout training camp and even to the
start of the season that that was the message that
the Vikings had been sending. And it's it's it's a
challenge because you don't want to say, well, he's not
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going to be ready. But to me, I think they
could have done a better job protecting Darisaw a little bit,
unless you'll tell me they might be as surprised as
everybody else is on the way this thing has gone
and the way Darisaw has has handled it the last
few weeks.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Well, I think it's sort of a two stage thing
because in one sense, I mean, this injury was bad
enough that you know it's it's not just the ACL
or he had other ligament damage in there as well,
So you are, i think, always trying to project a
little bit in terms of how effectively somebody can come
back in that amount of time, because they are, you know,
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they're trying to get him back. I suppose by the
time it's late October when it happens to sure the
beginning of the season, you're talking ten and a half
eleven months. But he had done so well in the
rehab that I think they were pretty optimistic coming out
of the summer based on the work he'd done in
the rehab. But I think there has been a little
bit of this. It's been a moving target. I think
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in some ways of does he feel confident in it,
does he feel like there's any residual effects of it
where I can trust it, I can feel like I
can do everything I need to do, or do you
kind of go through some of these things that just
make you, you know, there's something that lingers in the
back of your mind saying, yeah, I'm I'm moving forward,
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I'm making progress. But I don't quite know if it
is one hundred percent a closed case in terms of
the injury, and it's probably not going to be a
completely close case this year. I think we are going
to see this rhythm of full on Wednesday and then
probably having a day of recovery in a sense, and
then you see what he does what he does on Friday.
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I think you're going to see that continue throughout the years.
So I think the messaging of it is probably a
little bit of the way he handled the rehab created
a lot of optimism, but then when you get into
more of the football stuff, it's you learn a little
more of, hey, this is actually pretty complex yet, and
trying to have him have full confidence in it, I
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think is part of the battle.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So a lot of I know, a lot of the way.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
That they've handled workloads with him on this has been
a discussion where he has a voice in what he
wants to do and what he feels comfortable doing. And
I think you know that has been a little different
every week too, when you're coming into a Thursday game,
I know, you know, some of those things play into
how confident is he and the work that he's had
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and the recovery time that he's had between games. And
so I think now the hope is that once you're
on this Sunday to Sunday routine for a while, that
it's a little easier to make this a little more predictable.
I certainly think that's what they are hoping will happen.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
As we go forward.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Here, I have linked the current delicate condition of the
Vikings to a famous pat Riley quote for the kids.
Pat Riley, once upon a time, well, it was actually
a very good player in college at the University of Kentucky.
And then he was an NBA player who once appeared
by the way, he had a cameo role in a
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Colombo episode. That's a story for another day. And then
ultimately he went on to become the very successful head
coach of Showtime Los Angeles Lakers, and then reinvented himself
in New York, and then reinvented himself again in Miami,
ultimately now being the guy who runs the show. And
way back when this is from Showtime Showtime days, Ryles
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once offered those of us who had a good vibe
with him, we called him Ryles had this quote every
now and then somewhere some play sometime, you're going to
have to plant your feet, stand firm, and make a
point about who you are and what you believe in.
That sounds very grandiose, but it worked for him in
a sports production and performance sense. The question for you
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is if it at least technically seems to apply to
the delicate condition of the Vikings in danger of dropping
to three and five out of the race. If they
can't get it done on the road against a very
good Lion's team, that the season might be coming. A
part the question, though, is are the Vikings equipped at
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this moment to truly plant their feet? Do they have
it in them physically to handle what Riley seems to
be seem to be challenging his own team about mentally.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Yeah, I'm wondering when he said that if that was
in the height of the Showtime Lakers, because that obviously
was a team that was pretty capable of planting its face.
It had quite a bit of equity with which to
do it. I think it's a good question. I think
given the health situations right now, given the fact that
JJ McCarthy is looking for it, still looking for his
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first consistent four quarters of an NFL game, there's a
lot that they have to do. I mean, if you're
going to plant your feet, it would be easier to
do so on a foundation that's probably a little firmer
than the one they have at the moment. I think
they are going to be healthier than they've been, but
this particular matchup especially with the struggles they've had stopping
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the run. I don't like it from that perspective. And
then they are going to have to have a good
plan for McCarthy. Given the pass rush they're going to see.
I would expect you'll see him, you know, try to
have a little bit of a moving pocket. You're making
Aiden Hutchinson try to tire himself out a little bit,
chase McCarthy around. It'll be a lot of that kind
of stuff. But they have enough between healthy players in
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between injured players. It's just kind of not on solid
footing that I think it is hard to say that
this is a team that, hey, we know what we have,
we know what we've been and we say enough is enough,
and we're capable of delivering on that. I think it
would be a little easier to do that if there
was a little more stability. So yeah, I mean, I
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think the notion is right that you do have to
be able to do that. Sometimes I just I have
my questions about whether the current state of this team
is one that would allow them to do that.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
That's the critical a critical question for sure. You mentioned Hutchinson,
Aiden Hutchinson. Of course, the Vikings did not have to
face him the last time these two teams met. It
sounds as if he has indeed been beast like this
season six sacks in seven games. You know via your
preview of sizing up the matchup that he now has
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thirteen and a half sacks in his last twelve games,
leads the league with four forced fumbles. So who where
does he line up and who gets the unenviable task
of attempting to deal with the beast that is Aiden Hutchinson.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah, he has been on quite a run here, and
I think before he had that gruesome injury last year
early in the year, people were talking about him as
a possible Defensive Player of the Year candidate. And he's
kind of picked up where he's left off. So I
mean he'll be there left end quite a bit on Sunday,
which means he lined up across from Brian O'Neill. I
would expect it's Brian O'Neill with some help. I would
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think they're going to try to get some things on
Hutchinson to slow him down.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
You know, that's probably TJ.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Hockinson playing a little bit of that, either as an
extra protector or chipping against his former teammate. I would
imagine that's going to be a role that falls to
him quite a bit. With Josh Oliver out, with CJ.
Ham out, I think they'll have to devote some help there,
even if Brian O'Neill is feeling good enough to go
back and play, which I think he will play. But yeah,
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it is it's a lot for them to deal with
because he's been as explosive as dynamic as just about
any pass rusher in the league. And they've had a
run of these here, whether it's Miles Garrett or whether
it's Jalen Carter, some of the guys that the Eagles
have around him. They have had a lot of pass rushers,
I mean even Khalil Mack kind of dusting it off
last week former you know, longtime Biking's boogeyman, Khalil Mack.
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They've had a lot of people that demand a lot
of attention. And that's where this the health of this
offensive line becomes tricky because you have tackles that you
normally would be able to say, hey, you've got him,
and we don't need to worry about it a whole lot.
We don't need to send the extra help this way
but when it's a player of Hutchinson's stature and O'Neill
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is coming off of this injury and trying to work
through it, it makes it more difficult. And then you
go to the other side and how much is Dari
Saw able to just kind of set it and forget
it there and you're still gonna You're still gonna have
Blake Brandell at center, you know, kind of trying to
find his footing there again after a rough game, you know,
a couple of weeks ago here and working with JJ
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McCarthy setting protections and figuring out where to devote the
extra help. All of that is particularly difficult to do.
So I think the combination of all of those factors,
whether it's new people in new places, or the guys
that you count on pretty heavily not being one hundred
percent and the pass rusher that you're going to see
across the line, that's a lot to deal with. I
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don't think that part of it is going to be
terribly easy for them to manage. I think if they
do it, it certainly is going to require a pretty significant
effort to get it done.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Ben Gaeslink Star Tobune and stardibune dot com. Lavelle will
join at about five thirty ben with us. Now, you know,
I think the chalk would tell you, the unemotional will
tell you. With the kid quarterback coming back, play a
controlled passing game, hand the ball off, don't try early
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for too many big plays, just kind of get some
first downs and extend drives. There's another part of me
that says, as odd as this sounds, maybe in a
game where you go in as heavy underdogs lots of
reasons to wonder whether you can plant your feet, that
what you need to do is what Seawan Salisbury suggests
you do every once in a while is just fling it.
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And it almost sounds like a contradiction for everything I've
said in the past. And I'm not saying throw the
ball fifty seven times. But sometimes it's one of those
or two of those plays that you're not expecting where
you're and you're able to make a you know, a
forty seven yard completion downfield that perhaps might be the
only chance for the Vikings to sort of put the
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Lions on their heels a little bit and make this
game more interesting. How do you think koc is going
to calculate it.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
I mean, I think they will have some things where
you do have to manage it for McCarthy's sake, But
there is some wisdom in what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I think for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Number one, that level of confidence for him to kind
of make a couple of plays like that, I think
would be a big deal. I think, I know he's
feeling pretty eager, pretty excited, feeling pretty good about where
he's at physically, and you know, maybe you can build
off of that and get some plays downfield that kind
of help him carry that forward. But the other reason
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I think to do that is if you can get
the Lions playing from behind. I mean, the Vikings have
not played with the lead much at all this year,
and the Lions are set up very well to play
with the lead because of how much they want to
run the ball and how effectively they do it. If
you put them in a situation where they can't lean
on that quite as much and they've got to drop
back and get Jared Goff making plays. And Jared Goff
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is having a tremendous year, but he is still vulnerable
to pressure at times, and he doesn't get pressured a
lot behind that line. But if you can get to
him and you can make him affected by some of
those things, we have seen him turn the all over.
The few times he's done it have been when he
is dealing with pressure, and it's easier to apply that
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when you're playing with the leads. So I think to
whatever degree you can do that, and maybe that is
a couple of shots downfield early. I'm sure they will
have some of those things in there that they'll want
to try to get to. I think there's reason to
jump on people that Vikings have not done it well,
and the Lions are not a team that you want
to get behind because of all of the things that
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they do, So yeah, I think there would be some
logic to try and to do that if they can
pull it off.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Seventy four point nine percent completion rate percentage for golf,
and again a lot of those are short passes, but
that accuracy is tremendous. Part of the reason I think
the Lions are so much fun to watch is the
two headed ground attack, which is more than a ground
attack obviously, right, because Gibbs can make catches as well.
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Two hundred and eighteen yards from scrimmage against Tampa Bay
Tampa Bay, October twenty.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Here's the stat that got me.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And you have these, like I said in your preview,
Gibbs is averaging five point five point one yards per carry,
and the backup, David Montgomery, he's averaging four point.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Six yards per carry.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
They are just so damned good at playing off the run,
and obviously they're not afraid to throw, but running and
using running backs in whatever they're doing, I mean, to me,
that's the ultimate fantasy. And I guess I know the Vikings.
Neither of the Vikings runners are as good as Gibbs.
There's not a lot of runners as good as Gibbs.
But part of the reason I think their offense per
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so well is they can implement the use of their
running game and their running backs as often as they do.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Yeah, it's absolutely right. And I think the other thing
that they do that kind of helps them lean into
this is they go forward a lot on fourth downs.
And what that does, I think to a defense is
you're not sitting there after third down and saying, okay,
we got to stop. We get off the field, We've
got to go one more and it's probably going to
be short yardage in a lot of these cases, and
you have running backs that know how to get yards.
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But whether it's Montgomery between the tackles or Gibbs being
as elusive as he is, I mean, Gibbs is I
don't think anybody gets that close to Barry Sanders in
terms of their dynamism on the field. I mean, I
was a kid growing up watching Barry Sanders, and I
don't think there's anybody that runs quite the same way,
at least in my lifetime as him. But Gibbs gets
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closer to that where it's you think you've got him
and he takes an ankle away, or he takes a
shoulder away, or he gives you a cut that you're
just kind of grasping an error. And that can be
effective in a short yard of situation too, because he
creates something out of nothing. I think the two of
them doing that as well as they do has a
cumulative effect. I mean there's kind of this discussion in
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football of does running the ball a lot have something
have an effect where it wears a defense down. I
think a lot of the analytics would say, no, there's
nothing to that. But I think if you talk to
players when a team runs the ball this well, and
they say we are going to run it on fourth
and one and then hey, we got a first down.
You're set to have to try to do this four
more times. It just has an effect to wear you
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down and at least mentally wear you down. So yeah,
I think what they do they do extremely well, and
they've figured out how to play off of it with
the play action with Jared Goff, and I think just
a lot of the approach with Dan Campbell is I
don't give a rip, I'm going to go for it
and we're gonna play a little loose, and I think
players feed off of that well.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Lastly, I'm looking at the NFL team defense statistics and
it's fascinating to see at least in terms of yards
given up rushing per game. That doesn't always you know,
necessarily factor in yards per attempt, but yeah, looking at
here's here are your top one, two, three four teams
(38:51):
on handling the rush terms of yardage yielded. One is Seattle,
two is New England, three is Green Bay, and four
the Lions. Those are teams all teams with very good records.
New England has finally emerged a little bit this year
as Seattle as well, and maybe that answers the question
(39:12):
about how stubborn the Vikings can get about trying to
establish a bit of the run. According to these numbers,
the Lions are pretty good against the Rush.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yeah, and the tricky part of that you mentioned those teams.
The Vikings are going to see three of them this month.
That's right, I mean it is if you're talking about
ways to support JJ McCarthy and do some of these
things that I think they've wanted to do, where it's
you can run the ball, you can make things a
little less on his shoulders, less of a drop back game,
less of a hey, you've got to throw it forty times.
(39:44):
These are teams that will make it very difficult to
do that. So if they're able to find something, I
think it's a lot of credit to them if they're
able to make it happen against these particular teams, But
it does make it more difficult to do it when
they're facing the types of affronts that they are. And
then you add to it Hutchinson, and then you know,
in a couple of weeks you're going to see the
(40:05):
Packers with Michael Parsons and Rashaun Kerry and then Seattle
with Leonard Williams in the middle. I mean, there's there's
a lot of high end, blue chip type players they're
going to see and they're gonna have to deal with
with this line and none of that is going to
be very easy to do. So the attempts to make
this offense as user friendly as they can for McCarthy
(40:26):
do get difficult when you have teams of this quality,
and I think it's going to You don't want it
to fall in the kid, but there may be some
moments where it does, and if he's able to answer
to it, it's probably a reason to have quite a
bit of confidence because they are facing as tough of
a schedule, especially the next month, is just about anyone
in the league. I was looking this up and I
(40:46):
think this is in the preview too, but they have
not lost five straight to the Lions since their first
five games against them ever, and that streak ended, and
as a JFK JFK historian ficionado that you are, that's
freak ended. Two days after the assassination, Peter Roselle decided
to play those games that Sunday. That's when they finally
(41:07):
broke it up, the famous decision not to postpone after
the assassination.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
For the record, Vikings ranked twenty fourth in the league
against the run, a stat that you know, well, I'm
sure and doesn't surprise anybody that's watched this team against
the run. And that's another scary thing about this particular matchup.
I mean, we're down there with the Jets, the Tennessee Titans,
the Bears, a number of bottom feeding teams. So there's
(41:32):
a lot of improving that's going to have to take
place beyond whatever happens at the quarterback position. Have a
wonderful trip into Detroit, Michigan, and we will talk next week.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Thank you, Ben, all right, sounds good, Thanks Dan, Ben Gestling.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
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