Ben Leber/Lou Nanne - Bumper to Bumper 10/14/25 Hour Three

Ben Leber makes his weekly appearance with his bye week thoughts on who is the best team in the NFL and his thoughts on what will happen at quarterback for the Vikings the next few weeks. Lou Nanne joins for his regular hockey season appearance with a recap of the Wild season so far!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fan Louis will join from more tropical climbs beginning at

(00:27):
about five thirty. A lot of Minnesota Wild discussion. They're
back in action tonight. Correct, they start the road. It's
a five game road trip. ITA's Dallas tonight. Ben Lieber
is with US now via the Kinnectico Water Systems Highline.
He joins US weekly thanks to our good friends at
the Sierra and he is especially Sierra Nevada Brewing Company.

(00:49):
I got an interesting toss up question from a Texter
who wants to know who you think, as of today
is the best team in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh that's a good question. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I mean could it be the Colts?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I mean the Colts or the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
They can run the football and they can throw the ball,
and their defensive defenses are playing well. So I know
it's kind of obscure to think at the beginning of
the season that we would automatically say the Eagles and
the Chiefs or something like that. But I think the
way that both of those teams can find some balance,
I would say probably the Colts and Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Give you a nugget on the on the Colts that
got my attention a little bit because you say, as
you say, they're off to a great start, they have
lost one game, they're five to one. I'm going to
give you their scoring totals so far this year thirty three,
twenty nine, twenty forty and thirty one, and that allegedly

(02:06):
is the through six games, the most points total points
that the Colts have scored in team history. And they've had,
obviously Peyton Manning, a couple of good quarterbacks. So they
are Yeah, I don't know, again, is it sustainable? You
look at who they played a little up and down there.
You know, there's Tennessee in there. Maybe the best team

(02:26):
they've played they lost to, that's the Rams. But we
got to say that our guy who maybe did pick
up some things from the whisperer here, Danny Dimes, has
been outstanding for them.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
He's been unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I know, and I'm sure that you saw that quote
that he was talking about his time here, short time
here in Minnesota last week. He was talking about it
and he has basically said, you know, I thought I
was watching him preparing the way a pro should when
he was with New York, but come to find out
the way that they do things here in Minnesota, is
like it just kind of took my preparation to a

(03:02):
whole other level. The way they talked in meetings, the
way they quizzed each other, the way that they watched film,
and so it's it's wild to think that, yeah, we
we give so much credit to the staff or what
these guys are doing on the field, but I guess
you know, we haven't dove that deeply in what they
do differently than other teams, you know, kind of behind
the scenes.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Under the oddest injury department. Uh, we we have to mention,
are you from Are you aware of the injury that
Anthony Richardson, the guy that Jones beat out to be
the starting quarterback this year, his latest injury.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, And let me just be real honest, whenever I
use those elasti bands or whatever they are, Yes, that
is something that I'm always I've always been worried about
that interesting, even though it's never never happened to me. Well,
you know, some of the like the cheap o ye
elastic bands they have broken on me before, but just
doing like me, be like a leg exercise or something,

(04:01):
so it didn't never hurt. But yeah, when when ever
you're pulling that thing like towards your face, I'm like
kind of closing my eyes, like I hope this thing
doesn't snap and hit me.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
In the in the eye like it Well, let me
let's remind folks who maybe don't know the story. He
gets a suffers and an orbital fracture to his face
in a pregame incident. So he the way it's been described,
a pole that he had fixed an elastic stretch band

(04:32):
to snapped during what is I guess is usual pregame routine,
and as a result, the pole then smashes into his face.
As I understand it, I mean, it's it sounds bizarre.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
The bands are used by all the Colts quarterbacks in
the same manner before all practices and games, often tied
to the goalpost. In this case, I think the incident
occurred in the locker room where the stretching routine sometimes
takes place as well. Spot sounds about as freaky as
you can get.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, it really does. And I was before I heard that.
I didn't know that part of the detail about the
about the post, but in my mind, because I knew
that the elastic band was not going to cause the fracture.
I mean, I've always thought the last band, it's like
hit me in the eye and hurt my eyeball. But
I thought it was like, you know, a lot of
times they're kind of fashioned with the care beaner or
something like that. So when I when I heard that
it was had something to do with the elastic band,

(05:24):
I was like, oh, well, maybe like the care beaner
broke off or something and it was a metal clip
that hit him. But I mean, I don't know how
you know, a piece of the post or whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
A fix to.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I don't know how that comes apart. But yeah, it's wild.
And obviously you know the the injury that they had
to the other player in pre game as well, Yeah,
that's because it happened over there.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Very strange. The weirdest injury Ben Leber or freakiest injury
Ben Lieber ever suffered at any level.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Man, you know, nothing, nothing freakish.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Really.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Everything was kind of just like, you know, really football related.
I mean we've all had those instances who were like,
oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I'm just a clumsy fool.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, right, never to the point where I was deemed injured,
you know, so no, I wish I had a crazy
story for you.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, that's all right. We'll get one from maybe and
you can kind of coct one for the next time
we talk. All right, So you know, the number one
story this week is going to be who ends up
starting a quarterback. I believe it's likely Wentz is going
to start, and I think it's going to be not
because the Vikings, especially Koc does not want to bring

(06:37):
JJ back, but because I think he's going to adhere
to the mantra of I got to see full participation
and you know, full a full week of of the
work I expect from the starting quarterback and he's back,
I think, But to me, it feels like they're still
trying to ease him back to be sure. So I

(06:57):
think it's likely that Wentz is going to start. What
do you think, you know?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I mean, the closer that we get to this game
and the more they're coming out of there bye week
and we're still hearing the same I think very particular
terminology being used to assess our quarterback situation. I mean,
it definitely feels like they're cushioning the blow for the
idea that that Wentz is going to be the starter,

(07:24):
even though you know he was. He said that both
of them are banking the shoulder injury, and you know,
he's gotta he's got to go back, come back to
practice and prove that he can take every every rep
in practice and see how he looks too. But you know,
we've kind of heard this whole, this whole phrasing of like, well,
we need to see him play a full week, a
full week of practice, and it's got to look what

(07:46):
we wanted to look. It does seem like to me
that they're sort of massaging this idea of like, well,
see we we said, you know, he's got to have
a full week, and he's just not quite ready. And
then you know, this is something that Meat Sauce and
I talked about as well, and you know, he brought
a great point with a short week afterwards, and it's like, well,
if you consider a full week of practice the best

(08:08):
way to get ready for a game, but then obviously
the game against the Chargers. If if JJ is not
playing in this game against the Eagles, well then most
likely he's not going to play against the Chargers. That's
not even that's not even a full week of practice.
And and really it's not even you know, I think
real game like reps during that shortened week.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I'm with you as I I feel strongly whoever starts
this game will start the next one. And I think
even more strongly if the if the Vikings win, if
it's Wentz and they win, and he's good to very good,
I don't think as any way that you don't start
in the next game. That to me, Seefer and I
were talking about this earlier today and and he thinks,
and I agree with this, that that's that. Really, you've

(08:50):
got two more weeks to play with this under these circumstances,
and then it's after that. It's at that point it's
either going to be it's JJ's team, We're back to it,
or then it gets It does get a little bit
funky that you given the scheduling quirk and given the
fact that he's still not you know, has not participated

(09:11):
fully in anything. I mean, you heard the head coach,
I think it was yesterday, say guys had one practice
since the Bears game. And that to me was another
emphasis on his part, as if to say, well, come on,
nobody's being realistic here. I'm not going to just throw
them to the Wolves out here. So I think that's
when after you get after the Chargers game, because then
you got a long gap, right because it's a Thursday

(09:32):
night game until your next game. That to me is
where the rubber is going to meet the road on. Ultimately,
who's going to be the starting quarterback for this team
the rest of the season.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, I think you know, what you and Kevin talked
about is completely accurate. I mean, yes, there are there
are circumstances that we have to account for here, but
you know, it is I don't know. I guess for me,
it's a little it's it's interesting, I think is the
generic term. I'm I'm curious about what's really going on.

(10:03):
It feels like to me that there's there's right, there's
like an opening to question what's going on behind the scenes.
And I think that, you know, this organization has given
us nothing but you know, truthful stuff about any sort
of injury or situation. So I don't think that they're
purposely being like deceitful, but you know, I think it's

(10:24):
it's fair to question, like, Okay, what's up with the terminology?
You know, what's up with the uh? Why do we
feel like, you know, there was so much love and
adoration for JJ and what was going on in the
off season, and now we know that you didn't play
great for two games, and now we know that there's
an ankle injury. But I think everybody again speculates that
the ankle injury is not that severe, right that you know,

(10:48):
if you were if you were a solid starter for
seventeen games the year before and you suffered the same injury,
you know, would you take the same approach of waiting
until you're one hundred percent and had a full week
of practice to be ready. I don't know. You know,
obviously we're not in that situation, but it makes me
think that, you know, it's an it's an awfully over

(11:13):
you know, over protective approach. It sounds like, and I
just kind of want to know, like what the.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Real reason that's fair to say. I think you're right
based on when when you factor in, as you mentioned,
the build up and all the things that were said
and allegedly believed in the offseason as well, I think
that's that's more than fair.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Toss up Eagles question.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
A team that has lost its last two games after
winning its first four, not even particularly competitive against the
Giants after blowing a fourth quarter lead against the Broncos.
Is this the best time to face the Eagles or
the worst?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Well, I mean I suppose it's probably the best time.
I mean, if if you flip it on in the
other way, do you want to catch them on a
heater where they one five in a row and they
feel themselves and you're like, oh, boy, like this just
seems like an unstoppable freight train coming at us. So no,
I think this is a good time to get them.
They're banged up on the defensive front. You know, we
all know the news about Zadarius Smith is abrupt retirement.

(12:15):
They were hurting obviously. The reason they brought him in
is because they were lacking some edge pressure. And now
they're really gonna be lacking for premier pass rushers on
the outside. They've got some injuries on the inside part
the defensive line as well, and that really was their
calling card, you know last year, you know the way
that those guys played up front, I mean that really
helped to propel them into the Super Bowl, and it

(12:36):
made their defense so dominant. And now you're getting these
this opportunity where opposing quarterbacks are going a lot more
time in the pocket. They have some injuries on the
corner spot as well. The reserves are not playing up
to their standards, and so they're kind of a hot
mess defense. And then you know, it's widely been reported
about the disgruntled receivers that they have, and if you

(12:59):
watch the game, you're you're watching Jalen Hurts miss open target,
especially down the field. They're they're hit percentage on deep
balls has not been good this year. They have a
new coordinator, a new offensive coordinator that a lot of
Eagles fans feel like he didn't deserve that role, especially
with this type of team. They kind of feel like

(13:19):
you handed the keys over to a sixteen year old
new driver and it's the key to a Lamborghini, and
it's like, what are you doing, Like we know that
you can probably drive, but this is a high performance vehicle.
And you watch some of the plate sequencing and a
lot of people question, like, yeah, you might be able
to call a play in practice and build a script,

(13:40):
but you know, when it gets hot and heavy in
the game, it seems like he sort of loses the rhythm.
So they got a lot going on over there, and
I would say this is a good time to hit them.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
They got an excellent running back who has not had
an excellent season, right, and the assumption is they're going
to try to challenge the Vikings because the Vikings have
not been particularly good against the run compared to what
we you know, what they can be at their best
certainly and what they were as recently as as last season.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
What's your best theory?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
You view it as, look, we got a couple of
obviously important linebackers out that hopefully are heading now closer
to returning, and that that has changed everything. Is it
more stuff that's happening at the line of scrimmage in
terms of the ground game, the difficulty handling the ground
game in several games this season.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Well, I think every coach will probably tell you that
stopping the run is not just one guy. I mean,
you do have to have certain gap fits and you've
got to be sound in those areas, and so you know,
it's not just it's never about one guy. But you know,
getting the guy like Blake Cashman back if he does
play this this Sunday, I mean, I think it does
give you just a little bit different dynamic. I think

(14:56):
he's you know, it's slightly taller, slightly longer. I think
he does a little bit better job of getting off
blocks and attacking the run game, and so yeah, that
that will help. But you know, I've seen this defensive
line at times just get flat out pushed back, and
I've seen linebackers kind of get swallowed up because there's

(15:16):
getting getting too much of their own defensive linemen.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
In their lap.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
And so I think that you know, we got we
have to penetrate better. It's certainly going to be a
huge test to stop Saquon, and they feel like on
the other side that they haven't been using him as much.
So all of a sudden, now are you do? You
have to prepare for him to get twenty five to
thirty carries this game, plus some passes thrown away. I mean,

(15:41):
I don't know how this coordinator is going to respond
to all this press that he's the negative press that
he's getting about not using Saquon. So I would I'd
buckle up, I'd get my chin strap ready. You know
that this is an offensive line. Even though they're kind
of beat up, they're going to get downhill on you
and you certainly after that Falcons game. Not let this
offense here and get right and run for two hundred

(16:04):
yards on the ground.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
I asked Kevin this. I'll ask you as well. Another
NFC North team played last night. The Bears came from
behind and at the buzzer, and they get a great
gift to late fumble in the rain, and then they
to their credit, I mean, they go right down the
field basically on the ground, and they're so they're able
to kill the clock and set up for a game
winning field goal at the buzzer against the former forty

(16:28):
nine ers kinner kicker who's quite maligned out there, and
he'd had one blocked earlier in the game, and he
kicks a shorter field goal to win the game. So
you got no below five hundred teams in this division.
I think we all thought it was going to be
a deep division. I still don't sure. I'm sure I
trust the Bears yet, although maybe they are starting. They
won three in a row, and they've got New Orleans

(16:48):
at home next week, so I got a good shot
at four in a row. How do you view Is
there any I guess significant difference between how you viewed
this division before the season began and what you have
seen within the division so far, you know, the way.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's sort of right in itself, it's really no surprise.
I mean, Detroit new coordinators. You knew it was going
to take a couple of weeks for them to get
the feet underneath them, and it certainly seems like they have.
And with Ben Johnson, you expected their offense again, same thing, like,

(17:24):
maybe be a little bit rocky to start until they
figure out what Caleb does really well and you know
how they can best use their pieces. I think the
surprise was how fast Green Bay started the season, But again,
I think they're kind of regressing back just a little bit,
just a touch, to a point now where it is
going to be a highly highly competitive division and I

(17:48):
don't think that there's any clear cut, true, you know
winner right now that's playing the best ball. I think
Detroit's record obviously they love that, but they definitely have
some holes in their game, and I definitely think that
any one of the three teams could end up on top.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, that's that's sort of the beauty of it. I
guess the a lot of the quarterback discussion that we've
had going back to the start of the show, was
playing off of a comment from KOC I think he
said this Monday yesterday, and he was talking about what
McCarthy has done in his off time when he has
not been well enough to play or even to be

(18:26):
a big part of practice. So I guess that changed
during the bye week. And O'Connell said, regarding what McCarthy
watched from Wentz his three week of stint is the QB.
One of the things he took away from watching Carson
play was the power of completions that don't always go
to the first or second progression. Might be TJ helping

(18:46):
out on a protection critical twelve yard gain, blah blahlah
blah blah blah. So from your perspective here, what's the
message that's being delivered there by the head coach?

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Is it all right?

Speaker 1 (18:58):
I'm a home run guy, and I love the home run,
and I like zinging the ball over the place. But
what I really need right now, maybe in part because
my offensive line is still not quite healthy and at
times has been a mess with with backup players, is
I don't care if it doesn't look very if we're
if we're boring the other team to death with five

(19:19):
and seven yard passes. I'm fine with that a while,
and that that's sort of whenever McCarthy gets back, he
wants McCarthy to understand as well, what did you make
of it?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I think that's I think that's really smart coaching because
you look at and I don't I don't blame McCarthy
for thinking that, Well, I'm in a big play offense.
I mean, every every quarterback that has played under koc
has had the ability and shown the ability to throw
the deep ball and get down the field, and that's

(19:50):
kind of what our mo is. And you have a
whole year watching Sam Darnold do that and you're like, dang,
I mean that's if that's the way he wants it
to look, then got it. I'm gonna try to he's
as the coach and try to do those things. But
I think that we've seen with with Wentz, whether or
not that's just a product of him and his abilities,
or it's also a byproduct of having a banged up

(20:12):
offensive line, but getting completions checkdowns are fine. It is like, yes,
it doesn't feel like the offense is winning, but if
you're getting six seven yards and a checkdown and you're
able to move the chain to not put yourself in
third longs. Then that that is winning football. And don't
forget that you have guys that can that can run
after catch. And so I understand both sides of it.

(20:34):
I understand where JJ is coming from of just like, okay,
this is how it's always looked.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I got to I got to be this guy.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
And then you're getting out there and you're like, Okay,
I might be slightly overwhelmed, and maybe I'm not as
risky right now taking some of those deeper shots and
don't trust myself quite yet, or maybe my offensive line
hasn't protected me what I want to take those deep shots.
I do need to disunderstand that there's always going to
be an outlet and really understanding even if the outlet
is after your third Rea, just get to it, get

(21:01):
to your outlet, get to your checkdown, and learn to
live another another down. And I think it's smart. We
saw our own defense struggle with it with Aaron Rodgers,
and again, it might not be sexy, that might not
be exactly what we want to see and we have seen,
but it can win football game.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
You know, it's funny because I saw Aikman was talking
about this last night. I think the Bears at one
point went for two and they didn't get the completion.
I don't remember what Caleb did, if he threw it
in complete pass or got sacked. I don't even recall
it happened in the play, but they when Aikman replayed it,
he immediately saw the Bears. They got a rookie running

(21:39):
back whose name escapes me, and he flared out to
the right, and if Caleb literally throws the ball almost
as quickly as he gets it hiked to him, it's
two points, and it is. It was a reminder to
me of often guys are open until they're not, and
sometimes if you wait to the opening you have is

(22:02):
going to disappear. And that's one of those lessons that
I think the smart quarterbacks figure out, even if it
doesn't look that cool, because it's it was gonna be
a quick flare pass. You know, it wasn't gonna look
like anything fancy like Caleb's will Cable throwing. But it
was the right play because there was the running back
would have basically walked into the end zone.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, I mean, I as you're talking about that, I think,
and I look back the game winning touchdown that Jordan
Edison had in London, and you know it, he wasn't
wide open. I mean it was one of those plays
where it had to be bang bangs. You had to
see that corner sit in that sort of cover too
spot and you know they had the right they had

(22:43):
the right play called against the you know what they
hoped was the right defense, and you sort of had
to throw it open a little bit. And it's like,
if you right when you see it, just make the
decision and throw it. You know, if if he hesitates
on that on that route, there's a possibility that the
corner recovers and he's able to get a fingerstip on
that thing and knock the ball away. So I think

(23:05):
in the end you're right. Sometimes it is just the
easier throw, it's the quick throw and.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Let no question, got to trust it. Last item for
you today, are we seeing b flow talk Today? He
was asked a lot about Harrison Smith, and the impression
that Jackals got was that you know that that we
may just see that this isn't just injury, that it
may well be that you're just going to see Harrison

(23:34):
more likely in Nickel than necessarily in the base defense,
and I don't think that's illegal. You know, those things
do happen sometimes as players get longer in the tooth.
But you think that's what we're seeing here a little
bit is we we got some other guys we trust,
and we still like what Harrison can bring, but maybe
that he's not going to be quite as much of

(23:55):
a main guy as he's been before.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
So.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
You know, I know that he jokingly talked about it
in that first game that he he came back, and
I think he had I don't know, something like fifteen
snaps in that game, and I think he joking he
said like, yeah, this, this feels right, you know, like
I can I could do this, you know, the rest
of the season.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
And so.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, you know, we we do see it with a
lot of other players. I guess I never expected it,
you know, when he made his announcement that he was
coming back for another season and they signed THEO, and
I was like, okay, well that's obviously just insurance, just
because we need safety depth because we lost buying him.
And you know, none of that to me was a
red flag that he was going to be taking significantly
less snaps. But if they feel like theo's doing a

(24:40):
great job and he's kind of picking up right where
Harrison left off, and if they can get some critical
moments and be a playmaker, then why not. You know,
I think he's you know, he's kind of like the
Terrence Newman. He's kind of like I think even Chad
Greenway had to go through this a little bit at
the end of his career, where he's so valuable from

(25:01):
a leadership standpoint in the locker room and he's a
true coach on the field that it's important to have
him on the team. But at the same time, if
you can get their best with just fifteen to twenty
snaps a game, then why not go with that approach?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, save the hopsplash player the game. We'll bring that
back next week because we had no game this week,
and we will hopefully chat with you on Monday after
a Vikings Eagles. Thanks man.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
We did get a text about the hopsplash this week.
We did to six four six eight six. I'm curious
what Ben thinks about this. He wants to give it
to the Texter, wants to give it to Andrew Van
Ginkel's wife for tweeting talk about that with a love
boat and how any love boat? Any boat plans were
canceled by the lifelong Vikings fan from Iowa, given it

(25:47):
was a bye week and she knows the history, so
I think she should be nominated for the last player
of the week.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
What do you think, Ben?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
You know I was going to give it to one
of you two, just to be a real suck up.
But yeah, I think that we can give it to her.
That that tweet sort of one gosh, it kind of
won the week.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
It did.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Oh, I think everybody was talking about for days and days,
so I thought it was well well planned, well timed,
well executed. So yeah, she can give she can get
the Hopsplash Player of the game.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, in fact, because I think we talked about it
some last week and.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
We both enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
But I think obviously what makes it work is who
is issuing the tweet? Right, It's that That's the beauty
of it is that somebody, you know, a wife of
one of the players, comes up with and you go, well, no,
that's that's that's that's what makes it right. It didn't
even matter what she said, although the way she laid
it out was so deadpanned delicious too. You know, she

(26:45):
didn't overplay it, she just kind of laid it out.
It was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, that's why I like. I think the execution was great.
You know it was she she said just enough, and
we're like, ah, I like it. I like what you
did there.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
The response is from the other wives in the chat,
who maybe had not known about it, also brilliant.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
It was brilliant.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
It was well.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Congratulations missus Van Ginkle, you're the Hopsplash Player of the week.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Now again, if you want to pick a week even
when the vikings have played, and still deliver the award
to either one of us, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Going to be offended.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Eligible. I just going to say that. I mean, you
don't feel like you have to give it to a player,
especially if you don't think anybody is worthy.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, I know, you know what, that's a good thing
to remember. I mean, you guys are not allergic to compliments.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I got to remember.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
That, well kind of sort of. But you're right.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I have a wonderful rest of the week, my friend.
Enjoy the game Sunday night or Sunday night a Sunday noon,
as I know you will, and we'll talk next week. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, no problem. Always going to talk to you guys.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Good week. Thanks not Joe ben Lieber helping us out
as only he can, indeed do. Luigi is coming up
better weather. I'm guessing where Luigi is. We'll find out
in about ten or fifteen minutes. All right, I'm gonna

(28:40):
be a Quitchie segment before we chat with Luigi. I
will say you would have lost your bet guardie that
you had on who might be who's least likely to respond? TIBs?
I Sola? Who was the third you had in the
big signetti? Yeah? You you picked Isola and he did.

(29:06):
He did respond. Unfortunately, We're not gonna it doesn't look
like I'm able to get him on.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
I said, do you have to?

Speaker 6 (29:16):
He?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I texted him at about I don't know, three twenty nine.
Are you still in town though I might, as Mitch suggests,
still be dead to you. His response at four fifty
nine was what's up? And I responded, you have time
to pop on not tonight? Headed to Milwaukee. I couldn't
do nine tonight once I land, Well, that's probably not
gonna be very practical.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, and so that's so we'll just have to maybe
do it another time.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Cotton. Yep, that's how it starts. Yeah, so I don't
know who's next on the list, but no TIBs, no
Signetti to this point, and no Paul McCartney according to
you either. So far still early in the week. Yeah no,
there's still time. Oh where did I forgot to a favorite?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
The well?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Why you look the Mondelo guy text to that on
that same issue.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
But go ahead while you look for the Mandela guy text,
I will remind people that the fan and two men
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(30:26):
is cash.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I got an interesting text regarding the Vikings quarterbacks saga
we had been talking with Ben Lieber about because I
asked him who who's the best team in the league
right now, and he threw out the Colts or or
a Seahawks. And by the way, we had either one
of those quarterbacks, had them both we had them both,
and a Texter was listening, and and and wrote, Anthony

(30:49):
Richardson's fifth was a fifth overall pick. Colts were not
afraid to switch to Danny Dimes, just like Viiden shouldn't
have been scared of bringing him in to compete with McCarthy.
The biggest mistake made in the ponder ear was being
scared of bringing in any real quarterback competition and being
scared of ruining his confidence, and Spielman forcing his pick
to be right, not wanting to admit he made a mistake.
I'll agree with him to a point, but not completely.

(31:11):
I think it's a little bit apples and oranges in
that the Colts have already seen a decent amount of Richardson.
You're seen literally two games of JJ McCarthy. Now, there's
no guarantee he's going to be great. He may end
up being as big a bus as Richardson now appears

(31:32):
to be at this point. But I think the Colts
were in a different position than the Vikings were because
they they had more on the Richardson resume from which
to perhaps be concerned enough to say, we're opening it up.
We're not going to rule him out. But we're opening
it up now. Philosophically, I will tell you that I've

(31:53):
always been more of the let's have a competition, and
so in a perfect world, let's be clear, it was
going to be almost impossible to re sign Darnold unless
unless you franchise him, which didn't seem like they were
willing to go down that road. So if you eliminate him,

(32:13):
then you say, well, what's left. Well you Daniel Jones
and the Vikings allegedly offered him fifteen million bucks, which
he ultimately turned down to take I believe fourteen million
dollars from the Colts. Well, why because he knew he
was going to have a chance to compete for the job.

(32:34):
And the Vikings made it clear that they weren't in
the same position that the Colts were about their young
phenom or they're highly drafted a QB.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
But the assumption that I'll ask it this.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Way, the league has evolved to a place where the
Vikings are doing what most teams do. You draft that
high and the guy you had the previous year doesn't exist.
He's gone from the equation because that was Darnald, not
Danny Dimes. No matter what we think Danny Dimes might

(33:10):
have had a chance to be if he'd stayed here, right,
He didn't play for us right here, right. So the
Vikings did what most teams do, which is all right,
we draft that high.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
We think he's ready.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
We're not going to bring in any kind of competition
that gets funky, that causes too much indecision, that causes drama.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
We don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
My question is, what if somebody came along that said,
we don't care.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
How that's been done before.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
We do think enough of him that we drafted him
this high, But we're still not going to be afraid.
If we happen to be in a circumstance where we
already have another quarterback that we can bring back at
not a great price, but a better price obviously than
half the price of Sam Darnald. Yep, then we're gonna
do it, and we're gonna let the chips fall where

(33:56):
they may, and we may at the end, not just
if let's say, in that arrangement, Dimes wins the job
in training camp. I still don't think that has to
mean that we're done with with JJ McCarthy. Right, What
if somebody tried that, could they get away with it.
I know they get pounded to be like, well, you

(34:17):
create a too much indecision.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
You can't do it that way.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
But in the end here, I'm not sure if this
necessarily serves the interest of most teams, even though what
the Vikings did is exactly what most teams do in
this situation.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Trying to think of other situations like that. You know,
the one that comes to mind would be when the
Seahawks signed Matt Flynn from the Packers for a bunch
of money, remember that, yes, and then drafted Russell Wilson
in the third round and figured out by training camp
that Wilson was the better guy, and they cut their
losses with the high priced guy.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Right.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
Maybe that was easier because they'd only have a heard
round pick invested. But true, it's not the same thing
that you're talking about. But I'm just trying to think
if anybody has ever done it that way. Your Cousins
was drafted later than RG three, didn't play originally because
RG three was there and was good, and he got
hurt hurt, and then Cousins had to slide in.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I mean, the Falcons just just did it.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
They signed a guy and then drafted the guy and
the guy that was drafted replaced him. So but no
one's done it the way that you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I don't think no, that's uh, that's that's it's it raises.
I mean, it's it's good fodder. But again, I think
the Colts was this Richardson's third year.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
I think so. I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
No part of him has has been hurt a lot,
but a lot, but part of it is I think
I don't even know if if all the same regime
is still there. I don't think the same coach is
still there. But regardless, I think they'd had enough time
go by to say we got to we got to
consider other options here. And we're not excluding Richardson. We're

(35:50):
saying we're opening it up now. That's what we're gonna do.
We haven't seen enough yet of of JJ, even if
what we've seen has been troubling, not nearly enough I
think to say that the Vikings were in the exact
same position going into this season that the Colts were
going into this season. But ultimately Daniel Jones was smart

(36:11):
and his agent, I'm sure, and said we want to
go play. I want to go play. You got a
much better chance to play there because here they have
anointed JJ McCarthy's being the guy. Luigi is coming up next,
lots of hockey conversation six four six, eighty six. If
you have questions or texts, come on.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
Wel he sneaks around the world, ride.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
The world, no nanny. Well, given that it's forty nine
degrees and drizzling, you know, you sure as hell know
he ain't here any longer.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
He got out of town just in time.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Although I think we're supposed to head back into the
seventies later this week. Luigi is joining us from his
I'm assuming you are you at your abode in Florida.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
As we speak, just in time?

Speaker 1 (37:16):
That very good song, There's no question about that. What
are the current conditions where you are?

Speaker 3 (37:22):
It was eighty three, It was very nice today.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Eighty three had not.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Too humans, not a human at all. It was it
was a great day.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Well give me. I was talking about that much earlier
when I was laying out the show lineup. So Florida
can be incredibly humid and uncomfortable, obviously in the middle
of summer. So when are the months where you're kind
of safe that it still might be eighty two degrees,
but you're not gonna have to deal with the steaminess.
Does it start now? Does it start in December? What's

(37:52):
the rule of thumb.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Starting and actually starts in October? Okay, I think from
October right through till even anyway, your humidity is not
bad at all, and temperatures always good. But humidity doesn't
really come here full board till later in the winter,
and of course in the spring and summer. But it

(38:14):
doesn't get really bad. I don't think, at least I
haven't felt it till it starts getting bad maybe mid
May with the youny. Overall, the winterers are really good here.
That's that's one of the good things that's.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Got might have one of the that might be part
of the reason you live there as much as you
do or spend as much time there's yeah, yeah, and
I just one of.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
The reasons, you know, I just enjoy a little better weather.
I went through snow all my life, Yeah, I really do.
I watched this. I watched the local newsm Minnesota every night,
and during the winter. I have to giggle a lot
of times when I see the snow coming down.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
That's just so sick.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
That's I know it's funny. I get that's sort of
depraved pleasure. It's for me because so many years and
all that's knowing. I said, what am I doing?

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
It's not like you didn't live it for a long time.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
No, but I've had a place down here for fifty
three years. This just became my residence three years ago.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
There you go. I think the term is schadenfreude. You've got, really,
you got a lot of schadenfreuda when you see we're
dealing with like a blizzard heading our way at Calcutta
Clipper and you're watching swaying palm trees in the evening
and the temperature is going down to sixty four degrees, right.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
I think that that's that's a good accurate description.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
That's pretty much the way it works. Texts are already
pouring in for you. I love this one. How many
Games of the Wild played Louis three?

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Three?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
So here's what Nick from Chaska writes. I'd like to
know if Louis thinks there are any glaring issues with
the Wild after the first three games. So I guess
he's asking for you to overreact to whatever you have
seen or what we have seen to this point, when
it's just three out of this year eighty two, I.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Don't think there are any glorious. There's good and bad
parts about it. The bad part was they've hardly scored
it five and five, which I know they will. So
the bad parts really not that bad of a part
because they have the capability to score more. The good
parts the way that power plays. They got eight power
play goals already, and I was there the Columbus game

(40:21):
before it came down here next day and it just clumbusy.
Nobody was really sharp, but the guts might not have
been really that sharp. But I have to say that
there were really a lot of flukey goals and the
Wild had a tremendous amount of shots. And that one
they don't win yet they come back with the other two.
But the best part of the three games that I saw,

(40:43):
you'll never You'll never think what it is. In my mind,
it was a play of You're off. They played one
game and I was really impressed by him. I am
so happy they finally put them in the lineup, and
I hope they leave them there because what I've seen
that kid's going to be able to play and play well,

(41:03):
and I think very well. He's got many good things
going for him. Besides this, his skating, his competitiveness. I
really liked his competitiveness. And then he's smart enough and
he has got a track record of scoring. So you know,
I was sitting here, why didn't even play the first
two games? But I'm really happy with the way that

(41:28):
fourth line played. Ogren had a good game too with
they were Hestrosa and I see they said Height down
right away, so they didn't give him a whole lot
of chance. But if they think he's outready, it's perfect.
Go down and let yourself get involved in every game,
play a lot of hockey and show that you're growing

(41:50):
and going to be a good player. Because Height looks
like he's a good prospect to be too.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Well, you know, you're off. Is an example of what
we've talked about. You're going to have to have a
couple of people ascend, right, That's that's what that's the
step beyond the stars playing well and obviously it all,
you know, it all revolves around the first line and
Caprice Off especially, but they're gonna have to be a
couple of people that have been projected as you know,

(42:15):
options that become more than options. Louis right that that
that ascend to a pleasure going, well, this guy's this
guy's got a chance to be a good regular and
be a part of our rotation, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Well, I agree with that so much so that I'd say,
don't over coach him. Don't don't start nit picking small
mistake or mistakes that he makes. Let him grow and
he's gonna he's going to make mistakes. Everybody in the
ice bakes mistake and maybe his might be more costly
at the beginning because he might not be his on

(42:47):
tune with what you have to do defensively on your
own zone. But let this guy grow and don't let
him be playing with an axe over his head where
if he makes mistake one point, yeah, that's that's a
terrible way to try and develop a youngster. I guarantee celebratings.
It's the star in San Jose, Badar in Chicago. All

(43:08):
these young guys, they weren't great defensively right off the bat,
and it was going to take him a time to
get there. But when he got the kind of skill
that they show him to be drafted that high and
they are competitive and they are working hard at it.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Let him grow hundred percent. A great point. The Wild
are in Dallas tonight. I think that's a seven thirty?
Is it eight thirty?

Speaker 3 (43:33):
No? The eight?

Speaker 1 (43:34):
You're right, you're right. It's game two of the ESPN doubleheader.
I'm assuming because it looks like ESPN and of course
all the action right here on the fan pregame show
either eight fifteen or eight o'clock, depending on how hard
Fallness wants to work. So when do you got games?
You got more games? When are you picking up? Are
you picking up games on this road trip?

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Or yeah, at least tomorrow. I wouldn't meet him in Washington,
can't you? Washington Friday? Philly Rangers, Mondaday? And Jersey Wednesday?

Speaker 4 (44:03):
So you got Oh, that's great.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
You got a nice four game stretch early this year
before the team returned Saturday, October twenty five to take
on Utah. In fact, when they come back, they've got
what is it, one, two, three, four five, I've got
him at it with a six game homestand after the
five game road trip, so we'll see how that what

(44:25):
they what they look like.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
When they indeed come back.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
What do you well? I get I don't know how
much you were able to see the game last night, Yeah,
because we I didn't get to see the third period.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
How do we blow the three goal lead? What happened?

Speaker 3 (44:43):
You know, Walston was really very good net. Yeah, we
gave up a short end of goal too, But the
real problem was right off the bat in the third period.
We had a three goal lead, and it didn't seem
that we played with the same kind of mes the
offensive thinking that we played earlier. We were not quite

(45:03):
sitting back, but not really for checking as strong as
we should. And I'll tell you that LA came out
with fire. They were down three nothing, but the Wild
had been out shooting them pretty well. But by the
end of it, I think it LA probably went a
hand shots on goal. They really took over the third period,
and the more they took over we had. The Wild

(45:25):
had a lot of problems in a third period compared
to the other two moving the puck out of his
own They they were just trying, almost like hope for
passes and dumpouts rather than moving their feet and making
some short passes and coming out. You get to the point,
you know, I hate watching interviews a lot of times

(45:46):
in these hockey games, because not only the wild game,
but I watched the other games here the other night,
and every game I see it's all, well, we just
gotta put the bucket deep and go to work. Put
the bucket deep and go to work. Well, La didn't
put the pucket deep, go to work. They get a
lot of puck control. And that's that's what teams that
are tending to forget right now, they're so so and

(46:07):
too with the fact that everybody's gonna put a deep
put pressure on them. Go to work. Well, you know,
sometimes keep the pucket, make some plays, cant control of
the zone and have control in there instead of dump
and chase and dump and chase. The best teams in
hockey can really handle the pucket. You know. You see McDonald,
You see Conor McDavid. Does he come up and just

(46:28):
dump it in and go to work. Now he comes
to that dome with control of that pucket. He makes plays.
And I think the teams get a little a little
caught up in the game when when they get when
they get ahead, and especially when he gets in the
third period later in the game, they start thinking, I'm
gonna do dumping and dumping and dumbling you get the

(46:49):
pressure off, well, if you have control of the puck more.
Once you get it, you're gonna be killing clock. You're
gonna keep possession. You're not going to allow them to
get the opportunities to go around and score so easily.
And I just think you all got into that a
little bit too much.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Lest thing, That's a great observation.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
A six' five to one guy wants to go back
to the capriceof, story the contract part of.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
It here's what he, Writes.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Louis Maybe i'm a week or two late on, this
but why do players play hardball with money Like carill
and then come out and, say, WELL i really love it,
here always wanting to be here, PERSONALLY i think the
player is trying to have it both ways when they say.
That if they felt that, way wouldn't they sign for
a little less allow for other players to be. Signed
he wants your thoughts and any examples of THE i

(47:34):
love it, here but you have to break the bank
for me from your days as North star's general.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Manager, No i'll have to tell you. THIS i wouldn't
be On capri soov too much BECAUSE i don't know
for a, fact BUT i will guarantee. You WHAT i
believe is That caprisov, says, Okay i'll take seventeen because
the agent want to push them to eighteen or nineteen.
One that's where he could have, gone and he's. Not

(48:01):
you have to remember everything is a time. Factor it's
not like he was breaking the. Bank he was just
ahead of the curve to where the cap is. Going
and he hasn't got as much loyalty To minnesota as
other guys might. Have The russians really don't just go

(48:23):
to a place and, say, Okay i'm staying here at all. Costs,
see they don't stay around THE us And america as
much as the other nationalis. Did and if they, do
it's usually two, places Either florida Or New. York and
so when they're playing and they're just going to sign a,

(48:45):
contract they'll lean heavily on that. Agent and the agent's
sitting there and he just wants to break the. Bank
so you tell everybody, else look WHAT i got the
price OFF i Want as he goes after younger guys
to be in the, stable you, know and look look
WHAT i. Got you wanted some because the Money i'll
fight for. You and WHEN i was managing The Door. Starts,

(49:06):
NO i didn't SEE i didn't have anybody came to me, says,
well you, know i'll stay here for. Less AND i
can understand. WHY i, MEAN i wasn't gonna overpay him,
Anyway so they probably we had a different situation and
we didn't have free, agency SO i had the. Hammer
now the, players that's a big.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Difference that's a huge.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Difference you're.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
RIGHT i was the only GUY i, had AND i
said THAT i was the only guy THAT i know
of in THE nhl at that time or since that,
time that had in this. CONTRACT i WOULD i would
make ten thousand dollars more IF i played anywhere else
except with The North. STARTS i got a race BECAUSE
i only wanted To, yeah there it, is and you

(49:48):
could do. IT i was able to do it at that.
Time no ONE i know has ever come up with that.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Now that that was a for. Sure tom From Savage,
RIGHTS i feel trentding his night and day better than last.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Year AM i imagining?

Speaker 3 (50:01):
THAT i? Think? SO i don't. THINK i don't think
he's that to date. BETTER i think he's he's WHAT
i liked about, him as far as he's controlling the
puck more than he did last. Year the gentleman's right
saying that he looks better because he. Does last year
he was more and getting rid of the puck and

(50:23):
not making. Plays AND i think he's got more confidence
with the puck. Now but but it's not like you're
three bountains higher or. Something he's he is better than last,
year BUT i think it's because he seems to have
more confidence when he has the puck rab and just
getting rid of.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
It, oh can you Ask lei why he believes the
power play has been so effective at least this. Early you,
know it's again only three, games but that was been
that was a bit of an issue a year. Ago
so what are we seeing what's different so? Far at?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Least, well there they're getting very good net front play
to the screen, shots and they were getting it. Before
but it just seems like they've been just perfect position
this year when the shots coming on, goal especially when
you look at a Price hou's goal last game the game,
before they just moved it so. Quickly and when you

(51:18):
move it, quickly especially when you're like Capries hose shooting
off the path so fast and so, accurate that helps
BUT i have to tell You beam is really this
kid is really good offensively right now with the. Puck
And i'm not hurting anybody by seeing, it but he's
the best wild defenseman when he gets hold of the

(51:39):
puck to make a, player you, know skate it out or.
Something and was he nineteen you just turned twenty? Whatever
he he is so gifted with the. Puck he's got
a lot to learn, defensively and even he's got to
make sure when he's when you're playing with just one,
defenseman then your top of the. Point sometimes you got

(51:59):
to make certain that. Pass he does get caught every
now and then trying to pass through. People not. Much
but when you look at just basic ability with the,
puck skating with the puck mak him. Place he's at
the top of the glass right.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Now, man we got a lot of good techs coming
in today and lot number of. Areas day From rosemont
has A faber, Question, louis is it me or does
it seem as a favor is a step behind at
least for these first three.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Games, no you're, Right AND i talked about that last
game WHEN i was At Saturday. Night WHEN i was,
THERE i said favor is just a little a tickoff
from where he started. Before and SINCE i said, that you,
know someone went around the outside of a bed AND i,
said he'll get it all back right. Away but it's,

(52:46):
just you, know sometimes you got to be just a
little sharper retom mentally when you go in the. Game
but everybody's gonna, gonna you, know at different times of the,
year have different levels of. Play AND i Think favors he's,
right and he felt the same way he felt for three,

(53:06):
games and not that he's been bad or, anything but
he's been such a high. Level AND i did say
the gentleman sitting with, me a k fan, BOOTH i,
said you, KNOW i think he's gonna have to sharpen
up because he should be an automatic for The olympic.
Team but unless he, does you, know he could hurt
himself going for that, team AND i know he. Will

(53:29):
i'm not concerned at. All it's not like he was
bad or, anything but he was just a little shy
where he was last.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Year Did louis ever deal with The World Hockey association
and what are his thoughts on that? League kelly And,
RAMSEY i don't think WE'VE i, Mean i'm sure it's
come up from time to, time THE wha in our,
conversations But i'm not sure recently when it is or
even what we talked.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
About what can you tell us about?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
That, well when A wha came, in it was nineteen seventy,
too and actually there was a god send for all
of us in THE. Nhl AND i don't know if
you Remember Ron, simon his Brother, Steven secretary Of State.
Minnesota But ron was a very close friend of, mine
good friend of mine and he and he was a

(54:19):
lawyer at the, time but he wasn't an. AGENT i
remember later on he had had perfect and a few other. People, yeah,
yeah he had a number of. Others BUT i started
him off as an, agent and HOW i started, Off he,
says to Be, louis you Know i'm interested in being
an ancient. Cases, well you're coming at the right. Time
his wife. Says with THE, wha we're all going to

(54:41):
be able to get better. Offers SO i tell you
What i'm going to. Do i'm going to have the
team over to my. House you come, Over i'm going
to introduce you to the team and see if you
can get any clients and that's when at that time
nobody had of our team and got any. Offers but
this is two now and all gets a big, offer you,

(55:03):
know the million, dollars et. Cetera, so, uh we were
we didn't have you, know, contracts long term contracts for
the most, part usually was one. YEAR i, fortunately you,
KNOW i signed three WHEN i. Started but then now
my contract's up and there's it was another year past.

(55:23):
That so we were all in position to get, contracts
and he picked Up Goldsworthy. Hextall at that time it
became our two eyes paid players, essentially and this is
just starting. Essentially we all almost doubled our. Salary wow

(55:43):
wha when we came when we became free agents then
and the wha was. There that's not a bad gig
And golding And golding. HECTS i remember this Because goldie
got one hundred and fifty thousand at that time and
he probably was it seventy thousands maybe at the, time
maybe sixty and exall got one Forty AND i remember.

(56:07):
That the reason WHY i remember BECAUSE i was also
a vice President Players association and it was a couple
of years down the, line but two years later and
that we were going at the end of the summer
we were going. On, no it was eighty. Seven it
was actually eighty seven because we were seventy. Seven excuse,
me we are going over To bermuda From New. York

(56:31):
we're going From New york To bermuda to negotiate with
the owners and a new collective bargain agreement. Spot and
so we, yeah it was a great. Spot and we
we had meetings on the boat going across The, egelson
and there are all these thoughts of what are we
going to ask? For and somebody came up with the bright,
idea which wasn't very, bright of, course that we should

(56:55):
say we're gonna have twenty three players on the roster
rather than, twenties because we got up to twenty by.
Then we used to be at the. Eighteen and they
go on And neel, says, okay if we don't get twenty,
three year will. Strike and you, know he AND i
always got to fist fight in the meeting BECAUSE i,
said there's no way in the Soil north stares they're

(57:15):
going on strike for, that and he started arguing with,
me AND i, said, LOOK i Got bill Golds. Worthy
he has basically just graduated from my grade, school didn't
graduate from high. School he's making one hundred and fifty thousand.
Dollars i'm not putting him on strike for SOMEBODY i
can't play in and on our. Team that's not. Right

(57:38):
AND i have a couple of guys like that that
are up there That i'm not going to have them
sacrifice or salary because somebody can't play for. Us we
want to get extra player in the. Roster and we
were screaming and, yelling and all of a, Sudden Pat
quinn stood, up designed With. Louis Eddie johnson stood, up
designed With, louis and he just killed the.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Thing that was the end of. It that's, good that's
a good. Story did so did you ever come close
or did you just use that?

Speaker 3 (58:02):
LEVER i never capable. OF i just used the. Lever,
yeah there was No and of course IF i would have,
gone it was going To Saint paul, anyway that's.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
True that's a good.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
POINT i was going. Anywhere what's a long.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Way long way to go, THOUGH i, mean, yeah, snob
even THOUGH i, MEAN i know you don't mind going
To Saint. Paul but let's face, it no, way you,
KNOW i have to tell.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
You that's you, know that's the main. Reason why DID
i ever tell you About when The wild were coming
to The Minnesota Jack spurley called me up and he
was having a luncheon at The Saint Paul girl with
potential investors to Join Bob. Nagley he, said can you
come and tell them you know why they should be

(58:47):
invested in The why in The? Wild and SO i
went over And, jack And jack was in town for
the celebration this, weekend and we talked about this because
that's that was a big thing that. Happened and they're all,
there and so luncheon's over and they Had jack, SAYS
i was here to answer any questions and why they

(59:09):
could be successful In Saint paul when they were having
trouble at the end In. Minnesota AND i got that,
question of, course AND i, said as long AS i
was associated with The North, stars AND i was twenty
three YEARS i can't ever Recall Saint paul having more
than twelve percent season ticket. Holders AND i, said the
reason Why Saint paul people just never seemed to go

(59:31):
To minneapolis for. Much most Of Saint paul they, don't
But minneapolis people have no problem going. There it's like
the Little, Brother Big, brother And minneapolis people go To Orchestra,
hall they go to state, tournament they go to a
restaurant in. Conversy it's not true the other. Way, plus
we had very very limited support from the corporations In Saint.
Paul on top of, THAT i, said the two fastest

(59:54):
growing suburbs in the state Of minnesota Are woodbury And,
egan and they're. Affluent so when you put that all,
together you get to gain all you had From. Minneapolis
but you're gonna have a huge scheme Around Saint. Paul
that's exactly what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Happened, yeah that's that's. TRUE i think we have talked
about that for but it's been a. While on that,
Note i'll let you go big dinner. Tonight are just staying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
In i've already my wife made, yokies and when she made,
that they never pass them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Up and now you watch a hockey scout for your
help on the analysis job analyst, JOB i should, say on,
uh four straight games in on this the next four
games on this trip after, tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Right, yeah, yeah after, tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Correct, outstanding safe travels and we will chat with you next.
Week Thanks luigi thaves good appreciate, you Lou nanny brought
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he does too their. Participation half hour yet to come

(01:01:02):
on The bumper To over. Program i've got some leftover
texts that might be kind of, tantalizing and we'll cover
a couple of other, stories including perhaps where we began
this show, today how we found a way to link
a moment from the motion picture version Of The exorcist
and The Minnesota vikings quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Quandary stay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Tuned did you happen to see a video of the

(01:01:49):
fight that broke out during The where do The Washington
commander's plays At Northwest? STATE i think it's called is
that they? Played they hosted The bears the second of
the Two money nine games last, night and there's video
of huge brawl that broke. Out, now, again generally speaking

(01:02:17):
of alcohol has something to do with, it BUT i
mean we're talking about one. THAT i, mean guys are
are they're punching each other in the? Face, yeah it's
one of those kind of, things back of the. Neck
one guy's shirt is, off he's getting, mauled pulled over some,
chairs and there's About i'd say it looks like maybe, two, three,

(01:02:40):
four maybe about eight people. Involved security Doesn't it takes
security a while to show. Up they finally indeed get.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
There we see.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
You, unfortunately we see more of these now because the
video age in which we. Live but this, one this
was more than you, know like pushing and shoving kind
that we see a lot or people screaming at each.
OTHER i, mean it's just. Vicious what can what prompt,
WELL i guess it's a stupid. Question what prompts? It
somebody says something to somebody, yep and they've, had you,

(01:03:12):
know four pops too, many and then they get, agitated
and then somebody maybe tries to throw a punch and
the other person somebody else takes offense and before you know,
IT i, mean and the game's going on at this point,
too because you can see in the background there's fans
who aren't even paying. Attention they don't even seem aware
of what's going on sort of to their left and
behind them because they're watching the. Game they're actually paying

(01:03:35):
attention to the. Game this is the level of madness.

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
Is i'll never understand. IT i don't either make it
makes no sense ever understand. It ken we don't have man.
Cards we don't man. Up, no we don't have man.
CARDS i think in a moment like that we would
not man.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Up, no we've.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Improved that's been proven over and over. Again the claw for,
me it's the, clogs it's the, candles it's the. Coolers
that's the. Trifecta that that that, me that mollisfies. ME
i have never had a chance even to get man
card probationary status on that basis, correct even THOUGH i
really don't drink even coolers. ANYMORE i don't remember the

(01:04:12):
last TIME i woren a pair of. Clogs AND i
don't like candles as often AS i, did ALTHOUGH i still.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Do you haven't lit the? Candles, NO i.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Haven't, well usually IT'S i feel like it's a winter
thing mainly and looking outside season that far.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
OFF i had my first soup of the winter, today did?
You because it was?

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Freezing what did you go? With but, See i'll eat
soup in the. SUMMER i will, Too but it just
felt fell. RIGHT i was standing outside For gopher. PRACTICE
i made a. Soup, NO i went with some rice
from the Downtown Lundson byerleies on my way back from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Campus can't go. WRONG i was getting a salad mix
some one.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
IN i know you're happy for, me really, good AND i,
SAID i feel LIKE i need some. SOUP i got
a warm up to get a cup of. BOWL i
just went cup BECAUSE i got the sound very, modest that's.
FART i wanted the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Bowl i'll Remind maze tomorrow that you got a cup of,
soup not a. Boat and, yeah let me tell. You,
yeah he's in.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
Person he's Leaving fargo for. Good i'm sure he'll be back,
soon but he's not going to be there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Tomorrow he's going to be here. Tomorrow fair. Enough buckle
up the power of. Completions that's the theme of today's.
Program as we quote the head coach Koc, uh this
WAS i think a comment from yesterday and he was
talking about the WHAT jj McCarthy might have been.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Watching.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Well Carson wentz performed his, miracles including nine for nine
when it mattered in the second of the two games.
Overseas one of the things that he MEANING jj took
away from Watching carson play was the power of. Completion
SO i started the program with the power of completions compels,

(01:05:52):
you BECAUSE i, Like i've never Heard koc put it
quite that. Way it's not, Alliterative i'll grant, you but
the power of completion sounds So koc, like there's power to.
Completions he's not, wrong AND i WISH i hope that quite,
frankly any quarterback you root for would learn that lesson

(01:06:16):
the power of completions should compel you to not be
afraid to just throw, short get rid of the ball,
quickly and don't worry if you're not getting the fancy
style points or you're not Getting play of The day ON.
Espn don't let that bother, you because there is some

(01:06:36):
truth to the fact that you can bore a defense to,
death definitely with that kind of just execution right and
pitching and, catching pitching and, catching and eventually it can
mean sooner or later it's going to open some stuff
up and then you might make a thirty two yard
completion as. Well all those things are very, important AND

(01:06:56):
i thought of it because of the one of THIS
i READ i mentioned. YESTERDAY i Reread The exorcists just
wrapped it, up and then we talked about the movie
that the book was based, on and one of the
most powerful scene do you have? It can you find it?
Again take a? Second no, hurry no, hurry we can get.
It we have time to waste the one of the

(01:07:18):
more powerful moments from that. Film it's an, oldie by the,
way for. SURE i think the screenplay the guy who
wrote the book wrote the, Screenplay William Peter. BLADDIE i
think you want an oscar for it as. Well and
in the, movie not the, book the two priests are.
Trying they're performing the exorcism on Poor Linda, blair who's.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Been possessed by a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Demon and at one point they're in there doing their,
damnedest and it's not, easy, man because they got to
speaking of, soup they gotta they gotta dodge the split
pee soup that's supposed to be vomit but looks like
split p soup coming from projectile, vomiting all, directions all
kinds of other stuff that he's doing or she's not,
doing but the demon in her is. Doing and so

(01:08:04):
then she starts showing off and levitates the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Entire bed she's strapped.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
To all the way up to the, ceiling at which
point the two, priests trying to get the situation under,
control they, offer this.

Speaker 6 (01:08:21):
Compels.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
You the power of price compels, you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Compels.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
You that's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
IT i think they said it a bunch more.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Times so now we say TO jj, McCarthy the power
of completions compels. You whenever you do get. Back and
even as long As Carson wentz is playing, quarterback that
should be the. Mantra just complete, passes, man keep the chains,
moving keep the ball away from the, opposition even if
it bores them to. Death if you're moving down the,
field nobody will be. DISAPPOINTED i really don't think anybody

(01:08:54):
will be, upset INCLUDING jj as In Justin, jefferson even
if he's not always getting balls thirty two yards down the.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
FIELD i know that you only have a one hour
sermons because it's a noon kick On, Sunday SO i
think to make amends for, that because you've also had
Some sundays off because of the international, deal why don't
you offer to do The Greg coleman pregame, preach which
we still do During, yes, yea we don't do right
before kickoffs like we used. To but isn't this A

(01:09:22):
Greg coleman Pregame. Pridge actually it would be. Great the
power of complete YOU, jj that's. It the Young lion,
today he would have. It he'd be ready for they text.
HIM i might text.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Him he might, absolutely he would be absolutely able to
build something out of that totally be because he can
speak in that and that in that grand.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
Style it'd be. Perfect that's the whole point of the
right of the. Pulpit, yeah that's. It, yeah that's a great.
Idea it's the whole point of the. Preach SO i
think the idea at least he can incorporate into something
larger than he might be. Doing let's wrap, Up let's
take a.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Break we'll wrap up the, program remind you who we
got a hold of today and who we, didn't as
well as prepare you for a night of hockey on.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
The fan and what we have coming up.

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(01:11:02):
App start of a five game road. Trip the next four.
Games louie will be DOING tv. Analysis he joined us
earlier and you can podcast our discussion with. Him he
joined at about five. Thirty we also were joined by
phone today By Kevin. Seffert that was at three. Thirty
Ben lieber Not shoe liber joined at about four forty,

(01:11:25):
Five so plenty Of vikings conversation pretty much throughout this.
Show mace is back in our studio. Tomorrow Kessler i'm
assuming is here as well when he will join at
about five. THIRTY i will, add do yourself a favor
and take a watch of The Montreal canadians tribute video

(01:11:47):
to the Late Kenny. Dryden your Guy fawlness retweeted. It
that's HOW i came upon. It it's absolutely magnificently. Done
it's they couldn't have done a better job with. It and,
again you could be casual hockey, fan you can be
hardcore hockey.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Fan you don't even have to be hockey.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Fan just if you're a. HUMAN i think you will
be very impressed with the tribute. Video And fallness reminds us,
that you, know When dryden, died we were able to
find actually with his, help AS i recall, it video
OR i should say audio of the time he Joined
louie and. Me this, was you, know one of those

(01:12:25):
legends With. Louie, yeah during the pandemic pandemic episodes of
The louis visit And dryden was tremendous and he talked
about the famous or infamous depending on how you want
to look at. It penalty shot goal by your Guy Tommy.
Reid it's a funny. Story and this, today fifty four

(01:12:48):
years to the, day ten, fourteen nineteen seventy one was
the day it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Happened so you can't make that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Up so a good get, by a good history lesson
by Mister, faulnys and an outstanding job by whoever together
The Montreal canadians video as. Well we don't have any
snow on the forecast To in, FACT i thought it
was gonna be seventy by the end of the week
And friday, NIGHT i think it's gonna be nice. Again
isn't it not that? Nice maybe they've changed the forecast.

(01:13:15):
Again it's gonna rain for a few. Days i'm worried
about today and, tomorrow are? You, yeah that's all you
Can why look past, that is what you're. Saying it's
supposed to rain On friday. Too you might so you
might have to wear a, slicker but at least you
won't have to have long. Underwear i'll be ready talk
to you. Tomorrow three