Ben Leber/Vikings Talking Points - Bumper to Bumper 10/20/25 Hour Three

Ben Leber makes his weekly appearance with his thoughts on the Vikings loss to Philly before Dan finishes the show with his final Vikings Talking Points of the week.

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Speaker 2 (00:51):
From the Ben Lieber perspective, now that you've had a
few hours to process the Eagles law, the loss to
the Philadelphia Eagles is at the top of the Ben
Leeber blame list for well, maybe I'll put it in a
different way. What did you find most disappointing about the
Vikings performance yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Boy, you know, it's hard to narrow it down. I mean,
there was a lot of things to like. I mean,
I did enjoy the fact that we executed our first
down play action the profession. You know, we had six
or seven first down plays off of play action that
we went well over one hundred yards on those plays.
So it's like the the idea in the philosophy going

(01:38):
to the game at worked. I wish that we would
have stuck to the run game a little bit more
and actually, you know, pounded those guys because you know,
that was a pretty pretty light defensive edge for the Eagles.
You know, when thea Darius Smith kind of up and
retires midweek early in the week, it really kind of
decimated the girth in the in the build of their

(02:00):
outside and they've had a bunch of injuries and all
that stuff, and not being said, you know, they're starting
outside linebackers, their edge guys or you know, right around
two forty to forty five, two fifty, and so they're
not big guys. And I just really thought, and you
saw it sort of in the start of the second
half that we attacked the perimeter in the edge a
lot better. I just thought we could stick with that.

(02:22):
It would have made the play action much more effective.
And then obviously defensively, when we work so hard to
get the quarterback out of the pocket, not being able
to affect some of those scramble throws and a second
chance throws, that was pretty disappointing.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
First and ten from the nineteen of the Eagles and
first and ten from the fifteen of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Seven pass attempts in those two situations in completion incompletion,
high snap in completion incompletion than the holding call that
didn't negate a touchdown throw. To your point, I agree

(02:58):
with you, And now again I'm not here to say
we win the game. Who knows. There's a lot of factors.
As you said, we're going to try to examine with you.
But that's the part that still gets to me. To
your point, that mixed especially in a day where it appeared,
like I said, you might have had some you were
showing that you had some opportunity, not against every front obviously,

(03:20):
not against every defense, but had some opportunity. And let's
face it, with a running back who kind of welcomes
that and relishes that and has shown he's got the
power and the versatility to do something.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
With the ball.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, I'm with you. You know, I wish in hindsight,
you know, especially when we're second and one and we have,
you know, multiple passes in a row, and it's like, hey,
this is this is what we you know, first of all,
isn't that sort of the reason why we wanted to
rebuild this offensive.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yes, yes, not not.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Necessarily just for past protection. Of course you want to
do both. But I thought the mentality the off season was,
let's build up our offensive line, protect the quarterback, and
let's start running down hill. You know, let's let's have
a new attitude where we're just gonna come out and
play physical football. Use that play action pass which did

(04:15):
work yesterday, but just like really be able to have
the ability to pound people in the field, and then
when we get close to the goal line in the
high red zone area or the low red zone area,
I just you know, again, I think, you know, in hindsight,
we should have ran the ball more with a bigger
back in a rebuild offensive line. I will go back

(04:35):
and say this that the when we had first and
ten on the nineteen yard line, there was a pass.
There was a quick throw out to Addison out to
the flat, and immediately it falls in complete. Carson's immediately
tapping his shoulder pads in his chest, saying my bad,

(04:56):
my bad, even as Addison ran back, even sort of
like give a little five, is saying like, my bad,
my bad. If that's a better throw, and I'm not
even saying like it has to be like perfect. If
it's just on target, that's a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
I mean the way they scheme that up. The closest
defender was probably five yards away and he was redirecting
his body to go after Addison. So you know, you
look at some of those plays and you're like, that's
I know, people might be upset that that's a passing play,
but if it's completed, it's at least it's at least
a first down and now your first and goal. So

(05:34):
it is missed opportunities like that that are very frustrating.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, the second, the second field goal possession, they got
second and one at the six. That's the one to
Jefferson they probably should have caught. Now it's third and one,
another pass incomplete that was the to Naylor. And then
on the fourth on fourth down, you go, you know,

(05:57):
you go for it and you get the touchdown nullified obviously,
and then at that point with the holding penalty, at
that point you have to kick the field goal. Just
mix it in again. We'll never know, but I think
it would have helped for sure. So in terms of
give me your evaluation on the defensive side here because

(06:17):
we talked early in the show. You know, the team
gave up twenty eight points, but seven of those points
were on a pick six, so you can argue that
in terms of points allowed, it wasn't like the Eagles
dominated the Vikings defense. But when they're able to gash
for as many of the long plays, passing plays with
wide open receivers as they did, it doesn't feel right.

(06:38):
It doesn't feel like the defense necessarily did its job.
There were the three straight third downs in the second
half third and in all three cases it was I
think third and nine or line or longer, and the
Eagles were able to convert on all of those as well.
So what was it our concentration on dealing with their

(07:00):
running game? Why were they able to get such attraction
with big plays, big passing plays.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Well, to me, they they sort of took the the
game plan that the Broncos gave them. I think the
Broncos had something like six sacks against them, and and
four of those sacks were just a four man rush.
There was some presnat disguise built into that that confused
Jalen Hurts and that allowed the four man rush to

(07:28):
get there. Now, we did a lot of the same
things where we would bluff and just bring a four guys.
Now the four guys might come from a different level,
but it's still just a four man rush. It worked
enough to confuse them. But then again, we get him
outside the pocket and he's able to create We can't
we can't chase with proper angles, or we don't have

(07:49):
a guy in the right rush lane. We have a
guy that breaks contain. And then all of a sudden,
now it becomes like I said earlier, these second chance,
these secondary routes, and that was happened on that first drive.
I mean, you know, Mitchellis is in the right spot.
Aj Brown stops his route because he's like, oh, that
was my route, and oh I see the quarterback in trouble,

(08:11):
and they all these receivers are trained to find green
grass and just get open, and that's what happened there.
And then you know, you look at the seventy nine
yardner that that DeVante had, and that to me looked
like one of our safeties. I'm gonna call it cover
three bit down, a little bit too low on an
intermediate route, and he probably should have at least provided

(08:33):
some help. And you know, challenged that pass because to me, Isaiah,
if they were in cover three, Isaiah played it pretty well.
He kind of stayed outside leverage, he was staying pretty deep.
He was trying to funnel him into the safety and
that deep safety and it just didn't work out. So
I mean, props to them for scheming everything up. But

(08:54):
again it's it seemed like more of a player bust
than it did just an adavoid to them. So again,
you know, all of this is in hindsight. You know,
wish you could have done things differently here and there,
and they just made the big plays when they need
to make them. But to your point, I don't think
the defense played nearly as bad as maybe the score indicates.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Pass rush. What did you make I didn't feel like
we got enough pressure on Hurts? What did you make
of the the that part of the story.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, same, You know, I don't know what it is about,
just like a four man rush and sometimes you know,
we have players that's running right down the middle of
these offensive linemen and you know, they're a pretty big
offensive line. I mean, to a man, those guys are
pretty pretty thick and sturdy outside of maybe the right guard,

(09:46):
and it seemed like time and time again, we weren't
using that speed, we weren't trying to be more athletic
to them. There were times we were bowl rushing, and
maybe that was part of the game plan because of
the way that Jalen hurts, I think sometimes prematurely breaks
the pocket, and they fact, well, if he's not going
to stay in the pocket and he wants to get
outside and give himself a clean look, well we're not

(10:08):
going to have a bunch of drive bys. We're not
going to be doing a lot of this and that
we just want to just sort of hit right down
the middle of these guys, get off, get some separation, disengage,
and make the play. I think maybe that was the theory.
It's just that we didn't execute it.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Nacho leeber kind of enough to join us brat Shawn
Bryan Kafan text line is open if you have questions
for him, I will try to include them. At six
four six eighty six, the injury report for today indicates
that JJ is limited in practice, and I think it
also said Wentz was as well. I felt along that

(10:45):
as long as McCarthy is listed as limited and the
head coach hasn't gotten the full look or a feeling
of comfort that he is as close to one hundred
percent as possible, that with the short amount of time
between Sunday game yesterday and a Thursday game, that almost
regardless of whether Wentz played badly or well, that it

(11:07):
was likely JJ would not see the field Thursday. Do
you agree or do you think there still could be
a wild card here? I mean it's almost academic though.
I would think if if he's still not, you know,
moving around right then whatever the head coach might want
to do right now becomes immaterial, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Well, Yeah, the thing is like I think the X
factor in all of this is like, we really don't
know how bad Wentz's shoulder is, true, and is it
just is it banged up? Is it one of those
things where it can get worse? I mean, there was
a time in the game where he took a hit
and he just kind of grimaced, that sort of held
that left arm a little closer to his body. But

(11:49):
then again, at the end of the game, you know,
he had two third down runs, you know, one for
twelve yards one for sixteen yards where he scrambled, played
with no fear. Didn't look like he was favoring that
shoulder at all. You know, he did dirt it a
couple of times with his body to get down to
not take a bad hit, but he was he was
just competing out there, as you heard coach talk about
after the game, and so that leads me to believe.

(12:11):
And it looked like, you know, from that point on
to the to the rest of the game, it's like,
I don't think that he really reinjured the shoulder. The
shoulder looks worse. I know it's probably gonna be sore today,
but I would think if he's about the same as
he was last week with that shoulder, he's still better
off with a non throwing shoulder injury than maybe McCarthy
with that plant foot his right foot being banged up still.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
So we have obviously significant issues with Brandell at center.
He'd been the story a week ago or or when
or in Europe obviously that under you know, difficult, challenging circumstances.
Maybe the Vikings had struck gold. It looked different yesterday.
I still feel like, even though you're getting other people

(12:54):
back that this line, I mean, I'm starting to wonder
whether we're ever going to see it. I mean the
line at least, that was the vision that this team
had going all the way back to the offseason and
training camp.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
I gotta be honest, though, you know, I'm not as
maybe worried, you know, is there a little bit of
a red flag, Sure, because there's so much inexperience with
him at that condition. But I think that we played
a really unique defensive front. Now again, I don't think
that they're super talented the Eagles on the edges, but

(13:30):
I mean they have talent oozing with with Davis and
and Carter up front. We're not going to see We're
certainly not going to see that caliber of defensive front
against the Chargers. I mean, that's that's an area because
of free agency and injury that they're really depleted at
and they're hurting. They're struggling over there on defense that

(13:52):
that used to be their calling card. And Derwin and
Derwin James, who's supposedly their best player. I think that
he's missed more time this year than he had all
all of last year already in this season, so something's
not right with him. They got some real issues over
on that defense. So I think, you know, we are
playing in sort of a lesser caliber if if you

(14:12):
will defense, and certainly and I think an easier defensive front.
So yeah, I'm not as worried maybe with Brendel this
week and the whole offensive line than we then we
faced against the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
There was a lot of discussion late the age old
question of all right, you're in scoring territory. You're gonna
need two scores the Vikings. Obviously you're in range for
a touchdown, and that's the harder score to get, we'll
all agree, But you're also fighting the clock. So were
you fine with the strategy to continue to try to

(14:47):
score a touchdown? Do you think we should have cut
our losses earlier so that we had more clock, even
if there was no guarantee that we're going to get
back in position to get the touchdown that you're going
to need if you kick the field goal in that possession.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
You know, I was fine with it, actually, because I
do think you know the theory and I don't know
the analytics behind it, but in my mind it's like,
you're you've already worked that so hard to get down there,
and if you if you play the numbers game off
of the game clock, you know, you're probably at best

(15:24):
going to get the ball back, probably deep in your
own territory and forced the punt that you might have
less than a minute to get down the field, and
who knows how many timeouts you have left. So the
idea working under a minute to get down the field
to get a field goal, and we know what our kicker,
our kicker is capable of, especially in our building, I

(15:45):
thought there's a higher probability of that to happen versus
having under you know, maybe a minute forty five, two
minutes and having to score a touchdown. I would say so, yes,
I think the way that they played it out is
the way I would have done it, even in hindsight.
The thing that I have a little bit of a
problem with is we we got the ball in that
possession with about six thirty and change on the on

(16:09):
the game clock, and we acted like we had it
was the start of the fourth quarter. It just didn't
seem like the first four or five plays. There was
a sense of urgency. And I'm and I know that
you want to bleed the clock a little bit if
you're playing everything out in your mind the way you
want it to be. But man, I just assume like
you get almost in the two minutesode We're like, we

(16:30):
got to get down, we got to score. We got
to figure out what we're going to do here, whether
it's going to be a field goal or a touchdown,
but we gotta we got to give our defense some
time to operate and then thus give our offense some
time to operate with more time on the clock than maybe,
you know, forty five seconds on the clock.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
What did you what about the Hockinson play in the
end zone?

Speaker 4 (16:50):
You know, I was just barking about this after the game,
and you know, even a little bit this morning with
the Power Trip guys, that all I really care about
is consistency from the league office. If New York is
going to take over and take the responsibility away from
the in game officials, that's fine. I'm okay with that,

(17:11):
but just be consistent. And you know, this argument has
been built up now in the last twenty four hours
about this inconsistency you know we have. And I wasn't
thinking about this at the time when I was kind
of barking about this after the game, all this other stuff,
but you know, the Travis Kelce catch, somebody brought to
my attention, and I remember watching it. It was a

(17:31):
controversial catch, was it a couple of weeks ago? Where
the ball clearly hits the ground, he traps it, They
review it and they're like, no, that's a good catch,
And everybody in football world is like, how is that
a good catch? Like, are we looked at the same thing.
And then the very first quarter of this game against
the Eagles, you know, I think it was Smith. He
goes down to his knees to catch a ball, his

(17:54):
fingers on the outside of the football. It clearly looks
like to me, as we're taking this frame by frame,
that the ball off the ground and actually aids him
and corralling the football and gaining possession. They say that's
a catch. Even though the ball hits the ground and
it looks like it deflects up into his lap, they
say that's a catch. And then Hawkinson's is not a catch.

(18:14):
It's like, Okay, I understand the logic of the ball
touching the ground, but let's just be consistent with the
calls here across the league. And I guess I'm just
taking my argument even you know, into the Travis Kelcey
situation too. Even outside of a game, it's like, what
is a catch? What isn't a catch? I don't think

(18:34):
that we're any closer to that with all the replays
in the frame by frame decision.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Making hop Splash player of the Game for Ben leeber.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Pop Splash Player of the Game. To me, a little
off the board a little bit is Will Fries. I
noticed him a few times, and now I have not
watched the All twenty two yet, but I just thought
that he played a real physical game, you know, especially

(19:03):
especially in the second half. I'm and I alluded to
those runs that we had on the right side, and
we had some of those edge perimeter runs that went
for chunk plays. He really stood out to me, just
moving in space, capturing edges, getting angles, playing physical, you know,
being physical and past protection, whether he's blocking his guy
or giving help to somebody else. I he just he

(19:27):
just stuck out to me. So let's give him a
little bit of shine, a little bit of up.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
No, nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Is there any what percentage chance do you apply to
the possibility that guards guy Max Brosmer starts or plays
at any point against the Chargers on Thursday night?

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Well, I could see him playing. You know, I don't
know about starting again. We don't know the severity of
the left shoulder injury. But if it got worse, if
it gets worse and he's like barely able to function
and really kind of torque his throas because that shoulder
is too painful, then all we've heard for the last

(20:11):
four weeks is just how McCarthy's not ready. McCarthy's not ready,
like you certainly wouldn't force him out there. Then it
could be brozener, But I think the most likely scenario
is he may have to come in if Carson takes
a shot to that left shoulder.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Do you I don't have the countdown in front of me.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Last week it was the thirty two days sidelines, so
we've got to be up to I think thirty five
thirty six in that range since.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
JJ got hurt. Are you at all.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Surprised as taking this long? Do you think this is
the nature of that kind of injury? Do you think
the Vikings are being too cute waiting for he's got
to be one hundred percent in a league where there
ain't a lot of people who play one hundred percent,
even if they're young or old, or what do you think.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that they're being cautious.
I mean, I don't know if it's overly cautious, but
you know, I don't know who was you know, Sam Donald?
Sam Donald last year, you know, when he cemented himself
as the starting quarterback. Are you telling me that percentage wise,

(21:20):
he wasn't where JJ McCarthy is right now at some
point in time with somebody part. You know, if you
think McCarthy is ninety percent at some point in time
in the season, guaranteed, Donald was looking at his body
and he's like, you know, my shoulder, my knee, my
ribs something. Yeah, maybe maybe you put it all together.

(21:41):
He's like, I'm less than one hundred percent. I'm at
ninety percent. Do you sit him? No, you know, you
make him battle through and you figure out a way.
So yeah, I think they're being overly cautious. I don't
think it's I think it's smart in a lot of ways,
because you're you're looking if you're looking for this to
be a truly development year for this guy, it's it's

(22:04):
development and discovery. We don't know what we have out
of this guy. So do you want to know what
you have out this guy at one hundred percent, or
do you know what you have out of this guy
at eighty five to eighty percent. I'd rather see what
we got out of him at one hundred percent. Now,
he's probably going to get nicked up, banged up, all
the other stuff when he eventually starts starting again. But
I think for your first game back, why not have

(22:26):
him one hundred percent? So is it cautious? Yes? Is
it overly cautious and egregiously cautious? I don't think so.
I think they're playing in the long game and not
the short game.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Speaking of long game, it is a Thursday night game
against the Chargers. They just got lit up at home
by maybe the hottest team in football of the Indianapolis Colts.
It wasn't close. It's like thirty eight twenty four. What
do we need to know about the Chargers. I mean,
it's almost it feels like, you know, the Chargers have
lost three out of four. The only game they won
was barely against Miami, and so they're looking for their

(22:58):
you know, get back game, and the Eagles are looking
for one, and we kind of gave them, gave it
to them, I guess to that extent. How dangerous an
opponent do you view the Chargers at this point?

Speaker 4 (23:07):
For the Purple, I have a ton of respect for
Herbert and that passing offense, even though I don't think
that they've been nearly as explosive this year. Their run
game has not been as good. They've they've suffered a
bunch of big time injuries on the offensive line, specifically
the left tackle spot. So they're they're going through it

(23:28):
right now. But it sounds like to me and everything
that I've kind of researched in the short amount of time,
is they're very disappointed with their defense. As I kind
of alluded to earlier that the defense was supposed to
be their calling card, and it's it's not at all.
And you want to talk about a game in which
we can play action, this should be the game there.

(23:50):
They're second level defense, they're strong safety. I'll put Derwin
James in that mix. Their linebackers, they will bite on
the run fake and it is hurt them in the
passing game so much that that intermediate passing attack it
should be wide open. But the caveat to all that is,
you know, we have a reluctance to commit to the

(24:11):
run game, so they're going to see that on film.
You know, we had eight runs in this first half
against the Eagles, we had eleven runs, and the second
half versus the Eagles the far cry from what the
Indianapolis Colts put on tape good. So I'm sure those
guys were juiced up. Those guys were juiced up just
to try to stop Taylor. I don't know if I'm
a defensive player on the charges right now, but I'm
going to be truly juiced up. Looking at the game

(24:34):
tape from the last couple of games, I'm like, hey,
this is a passing offense. I'm going to play the
pass first and then we're going to react to the run.
A lot easier said than done, but I think that
we have to go into this game and say we
are one hundred percent committee to the run early and
then we can open up the passing game in the
second half.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I appreciate you, as always, have fun in La La Land.
We'll talk next.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Week, all right, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
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(26:03):
All right, we got more Vikings talking points to get
to much more about the post mortem after a disappointing
loss the Philadelphia Eagles, a game that at least for
a while I felt like was there at twenty one sixteen,
And on the other hand, you could say, but was
it really there? Given the ability the Eagles had when

(26:23):
they really needed to not just to score, but to
kind of score over the top with long passes. That's
a very very fair point.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Where's the.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Text I was looking for? Here, here we go. This
is from Saul and Blaine. This is going to get
some people going. Wentz has been in this system for
two months. McCarthy was anointed at the starter, got first
team reps all off season, and was able to be
in meetings all last year while injured, Cut went some slack.
He was doing what a backup should do, keep the
team afloat. He's two and two as a starter. McCarthy

(26:58):
should be more ready, but he is not. It is
what it is. Should have signed Rogers and let the
kids learn at least one more year. Donald and Jones
wanted to be the starters and wanted contracts more than
one year. Defense has a knack of looking great against
bad teams and looking for looking bad against good teams.
This is the most weapons Floors has had to work with.
In games like yesterday, just can't happen on home turf.

(27:19):
So Saul is He's coming in strong. They're on a
number of issues. I it's old news, but I who
knows how different. There's no way to know that everything
would be fine if the Vikings had found a way
to keep Daniel Jones or had found a way to wu,

(27:44):
Well I did.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
They don't have They didn't have to woo Aaron Rodgers.
Rogers was ready to come here. They just signed. We're
going to do it. We're going to take the leap.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
There's no way to know this because if you factor
in this offensive line, you say, well, Rogers might be dead.
And the other hand, Rodgers is pretty good about getting
rid of the ball quick. He doesn't take hits, even
if true, even if it might be a three yard
pass that it can be frustrating sometimes. So you know,

(28:10):
the story of this season has yet to be told.
The signs right now are concerning. Right, we're already at
three losses. We lost four games all of last regular season. Now,
probably wasn't realistic to think we were going to match
what do we finished last year?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Fourteen?

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Well, actually we've matched yeah, fourteen and three. We have
three already, right, so is it realistic I think we're
gonna have fourteen and three again?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Probably not.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think a lot of people who might have liked
this team said, well, they'll probably lose several more games
than that. But there's really is it not fair to
say that at this point we really haven't established anything.
The old cliche about identity. We haven't really established anything
of what we supposedly are, what we like to think

(28:57):
we are. We're not a horrible defense statistically in terms
of points allowed. Yardage were not so good, and key
points were not so good. Takeaways were awful because five
of the seven came against one team. Right, offensively, we
don't have the guy we want out a quarterback, but
he struggled in seven of the first eight quarters. Carson

(29:18):
Wentz has come back to the Pack to be what
he probably is a backup. Although I'm still not as
down on him as some that's not apologizing for him.
That's just keeping my eyes and ears open about what
he inherited and how this thing has played out. But
he clearly has come back to the pack enough to
say that you're going to get McCarthy in there when
you can, but be careful what you wish for, because

(29:41):
there's no guarantee that that's going to necessarily save the season.
And this is supposed to be This is not supposed
to be a lost season, even with a young quarterback.
The Vikings that convinced themselves that this was not supposed
to be a lost season, and I will maintain a
belief that there would have been less of a chance
that we would look upon this as a lost season,

(30:02):
even at this point if they'd gone another route at
the quarterback position and played it out one more year,
even if they are going to make McCarthy sit for
another whole season. This is day thirty six since McCarthy
got hurt, and I mean, let me ask you this question.

(30:23):
Let's say, for the sake of this discussion, that the
Vikings were playing on Sunday against the Chargers, not Thursday. Yeah,
my gut tells me we still would not have seen.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
The kid.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I'm not convinced that if he continues to be limited,
presumely that means he still can't practice full. So did
we think there was going to be a miracle cure
tomorrow or Wednesday? I guess it's possible it could have
gotten ramped up at that point, but I don't know

(30:57):
that that's necessarily the case. So he's going to get
what's the date of the Detroit game? You told me
early November November, So you did you add up the
number of days between the day he was the game
he was hurt the second game of the season in
November two I'm I'll be honest, I don't remember a
high ankle sprain that's ever taken that long for anybody myself,

(31:20):
So I don't know what's going on here exactly. And
there is isn't Isn't there a part of you that
also says, well to Leeber's point earlier about about Darnold,
why are we why are we adhering to this standard
with him in a league regardless of age, which is
in part about you know, you got to get yourself

(31:41):
ready because there's no there's really no such thing as
one hundred percent. Are we worried that he's that breakable,
or he's that vulnerable, or he's that green that the
only way we would consider playing him is we got
to see a full week.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Does that mean five straight days?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I don't know, right, seven straight days of him going
full More so, it feels to me like they're being
overly protective of him to a certain degree. And all
this I think accentuates is you made a decision. You're
stuck with it now. You made a decision that I

(32:18):
think if you go back to that at last offseason,
on the basis of all the other moves you made
and the position that you thought you were in that.
I'm still not sure. My sense is that there's a
good chance the organization might end up regretting it. Now,
if he comes back against Detroit and takes off all
this will be taken care of right, and we'll say, wow,
you know, that's a really nice recovery. Maybe he learned

(32:40):
some things while he was out. He just needed more reps.
He just needs to go out there and play more,
which is true. But you're back to what your purpose
is for the twenty twenty five season. Did you see
the Adam Schefter twitter controversy about JJ McCurry yesterday.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I'm just going to read you first.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'm going to redo his tweet, and then the reader's notes,
you know, the readers add context.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yes, this is for me.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yesterday, when Vikings quarterback JJ McCarthy suffered a week two
high ankle sprain right, doctors expected it to be a
six week injury. Nothing has changed. It still looks like
a six week injury, which means McCarthy would miss next
week and possibly be able to return in week nine
at Detroit. Do you have any comments on that? Before
I give you the reader's context? No, readers added context

(33:28):
as reported by Schefter himself in his own post, the
injury was expected to sideline McCarthy two to four weeks.
You forgot what he'd written, apparently apparently evidently I'm pulling
up the post just to make sure that I'm reading
it correctly. But yes, ESPN sources JJ McCarthy's expected to
be sidelined two to four weeks with a high ankle sprain.

(33:48):
Was McCarthy out Vikings quarterback Carson Wentz is now in
line to start. Wow, I missed that completely. That is
interesting because if that part was true, and I'm sure
that's being leaked by somebody with the vice just say, look,
nothing has changed for us then. But what I would
also add to that is if that was true that
it was always a six week injury, they could have

(34:11):
been more forthcoming about that, right couple of weeks. Question
everybody's asking every single week, and Koc's chippy about it,
and at the press conferences and everything. They could have
easily said he's still he's going to be dealing with
some some some stuff for a while. Even JJ said,
you know, last week, it was still bothering him obviously,
But if the original six week timeline was true as

(34:34):
Shepdy says it was, they could have done. I imagine
they would have done a better job. So I'm not
necessarily buying it. Yeah, I agree, hundred percent healing right
or something else. I don't remember it being built that
way at all at the start, that's for sure. And
I understand that that ankle high ankle injuries are they're
very specific and they're not all equal, but I I'm

(34:57):
not sure I buy any.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Of that actually at this point. And as you.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Say, it would have been, it would have behooved them
if that was the case to slow play this more
and let people know, and they didn't, which tells me
they may be as surprise as anybody that's taking this long.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Let's break I sent to you.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
This was an item that I'd meant to talk about
on Sunday. Blakemore was not here, but this is from
the Ross Tucker podcast member Ross Tucker.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I love Ross Tucker.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
He has a pro football doctor on Doctor David Show,
and he had some interesting and volatile things to say
about the JJ story. And this was before obviously yesterday's game,
so we may play that back. Get to a couple
more vikings talking points. We're out at six today for
Minnesota Wild Hockey.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Stay tuned.

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Speaker 2 (36:00):
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Speaker 2 (36:10):
Thank you very much, Federated, and I want to thank
you for putting together what we like to call the
best of Wentz and the worst of Wentz.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Play actions, great drop steps away from Patrick Johnson, throws
to the left pot Jordan Addison at the Eagles forty
on Cheley Ringo, who's ever beatable, and he's finally taken
down at the thirty five. That's twenty five to Addison
and another first down, first down Minnesota from the Eagles
thirty five. Wentz under center, goes on a seven step

(36:43):
drop pumps throws to the right man open pot at
the fifteen yard line. Once again it's Jordan Addison. That
time he worked quin Yon Mitchell. That's a gain of
twenty first down Minnesota at the.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Eagles fifteen ten.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Viking's forty nine went shotgun three receivers right, Hawkinson to
the left of Darisov CJ. Hamm picks up a blitzer,
Wentz looks to run nice cut right to.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
The forty five.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Look at the.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Powder cut left to.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
The forty and he's taken down at the thirty four.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Look at him, goes the.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Analyst said, he went for sixteen yards and how badly
needed Vikings first down?

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Holy god, he made you hot, Campbell miss and then
he goes up to red blanketship and says, somebody got
fir Eagles breaking ankles out there?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Where's this been?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Sur down thirty five from the Vikings thirty nine. Early
in the second quarter, Eagles lead seven to three. Jordan
Addison in motion to the right, Carson out of the shotgun.
He's hit as he throws, and he throws it right
to a member of the Philadelphia Eagles. It's Jalx Hunt
ten five touchdown Philadelphia. Jylyx Hunt, second year Houston Christian,

(37:56):
showing no mercy and giving no grace. Oh, it's back
to pass. He's running out to the right in the
end zone, loops one up deep to Addison in double coverage,
and Carson has thrown it right to a member of
the Philadelphia Eagles. Interceptions. Andrew mccouba, the rookie from Texas,
with his second interception this season. And Carson Wentz has

(38:21):
thrown two interceptions today, and the Eagles have the ball
right around midfield. Second and eight for the Minnesota Vikings
from the Eagles nine fourteen to six. Philadelphia Wentz under
center offset I left play action. He's looking to the
left side, Carson. Now he'll flip it ahead and it's
going to be deemed an incomplete pass.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Flag comes in.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
That's the browning officer eleventh ten yard penalty.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
RUSSA down the Dell.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
It amazes me, Paul, when you're snapping the football in
the nine yard line or so and you're under pressure.
If a quarterback throws the football out of the back
of the end zone, it's never intentional ground A great point,
So just set your feet and throw the thing out
the back of the end zone. Yeah, that's an awareness thing,
and it's little mistakes like that. And the intentional grounding

(39:13):
is even worse because you lose a down.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Now it's third, Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
About eight we're third and eighteen.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
He could I'm sorry, third and eighteen, where yeah, he
could have just thrown that thing again out of the
back of the end zone. So under pressure, just some
bad decisions by Wentz so far today.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Hmm. So there you have it.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
There's the yin and the yang of it, the best
of Wentz and the worst of Wentz. As we said earlier,
he played badly enough that the door is definitely open.
I for a change, but it's the material. It's academic
because the guy you want to change to, or that
the guy that the head coach wants to change who

(39:50):
is not available.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
As simple as that.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Now, the X factor might be could Wentz's left shoulder
be getting worse? He tends to take a beating every
whe he looked like he was wincing a couple of
times in pain. Also sense that he does have some
gamer in him, So I think I will still be
surprised if he doesn't start on Thursday night. But there's

(40:14):
nothing you know, again, I'll say respectfully to the mc bowbos,
your guy's got to play, I mean, sooner or and
I get it. He may not be ready to play,
but there's nothing to talk about and nothing to get
excited about. There's nothing to evaluate at this point. If
he's not he can't play, and he's clearly not ready
to play. Now, if I thought that the head coach

(40:39):
was convinced, let's just say late last week that McCarthy
as of Thursday.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Do we practice on Friday or not? I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Let's say he practiced pretty close to full Wednesday, and Thursday,
the last day of practice, practice, and and and and
then and was hey, he's moving. Do I think it's
possible that in the in that situation that the head
coach would yeah, I do, even on the with the
short turnaround this week, but there's no sign of that.

(41:07):
They continue every day to say he's limited. So as
long as he's limited, there ain't nothing to think about,
no matter how much you despise what Carson Wentz has
or hasn't done under hardly ideal circumstances across the board.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Now, I mentioned.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
The podcast of what's the name of the podcaster? The
Ross Tucker Podcast, Doctor David chow Is at Pro Football
Doctor Ross.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
We've had Tucker.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
It's been a while, but obviously he's a big time
podcaster these days, and he apparently has a you know
one of those doctors who weighs in, which can be problematic.
I know it drives the teams crazy because I assume
the doctor hasn't examined in this case, JJ McCarthy's tender ankle, right.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
But that's what he's paid to do.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
This is what he said sometime either late last week
or over the weekend. This was before the Vikings Eagles
games game.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Let's listen.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
JJ McCarthy, we have said from the get go is
hiding behind health. Not saying that JJ doesn't want to play,
not saying that Kevin O'Connell wants to bench him, not
saying that JJ McCarthy is not hurt. He does have
an ankle injury. It is a high ankle spring. But
you have to remember Patrick Mahomes played through that and

(42:29):
won a Super Bowl with the high ankle spring. I'm
not saying JJ McCarthy is Patrick Mahomes, but when you
have a rookie quarterback who's played seven bad quarters one
reasonable quarter, it's a good excuse to say, hey, sit
back down, you're not being benched, but learn a little bit, etc.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
But you're not being benched. It's all about the ankle.
It's all about the.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
Ankle, and we said on our podcast on Monday and
Sunday that it'll be interesting decision, and we were hinting
towards another week of Carson Wentz. They are playing the
Philadelphia Eagles, is their revenge angle. But JJ McCarthy admitted
his ankle is not one hundred percent. I get it,

(43:14):
it's not, but it's something that he can play through.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
So there you have it.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
I've said from the beginning, I don't think that the
injury is made up. I also don't think the Vikings
minded so much that he was gonna have to sit
a while. Now the question is at what point is
that is it too long? We are now at day
thirty six and he's not gonna play this week with
that much. We indeed know it's either gonna be Wentz,

(43:44):
or it's gonna be brosm or it's gonna be a
combination of the two. So you know, in terms of
in effact he's saying, it sounds like the doctor is
saying that the Vikings almost are breathing. Aside relief that
he's had this amount of time off. What's changed though,
is Wentz has started coming back to the pack and

(44:07):
we're getting into the you know, pretty close to the
middle of the season, right, at which point you have
to think, well, we gotta gotta get going, we gotta
get going. We got to figure out exactly what we're
doing here. Unless literally they think during the off time
they've come that Koc has come to the conclusion that
he didn't have as much in him yet as we
thought we did through a training camp and through a

(44:28):
lot of offseason workouts, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
The key date is November. What you say, November two,
that's against the Lions. That's there too, correct, it is,
And so that's our next game after a Thursday night game.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
So you got a huge gap.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
You got basically two weeks from yesterday's when we play
the Lions, which means he's going to have extra time
to get back into the right position physically, one could say,
And what would assume by then if you still have
an ankle issue, then something serious more series is going on,
and you'd have to consider some sort of surgery.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
You have to wonder what's happening if he's if he's
still hobbling at that point.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I know everybody's clamoring for him. I know everybody's clamoring
for Brosmer, but especially you, But I also say what
we have, the phenomenon we have going on right now,
is we're making the assumption that whoever plays next other
than Carson Wentz, he's going to look great, right, And
that's human nature. But it's only because the most recent

(45:34):
stuff we've seen has been WinCE's and it has been
up and it has been down. I think it is
worth noting, and this will be another talking point that
a wide receiver who's us usually does a very good
job of helping out his quarterbacks, and he's had to
catch passes from a bunch of them. I'm not sure
he did that at a key moment in the game.

(45:55):
I'm talking about Justin Jefferson. Let's listen.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
The tailback is Jordan Mason Wentz. The paid Let's side
to Jefferson incomplete. Jefferson left his speak to bring it in.
He had it, but Cooper did Jean knocked it out
of his hands. What an awesome play by the second
year corner from Iowa, with many in the crowd. He
went to Ida Grove High School in Iowa, then played

(46:20):
for the Hawkeyes for three years. Pete, that was a
heck of a play.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
Yeah, that was a great throw by Carson Wentz on
the back shoulder and he just got the one arm
in between the hands of Justin Jefferson and knocked that
ball lows.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
That was a good throw.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I mean, let's remember he made another throw that got
called back on a holding penalty. That was a good play.
I think it's past to Hawkins in the end zone
is pretty good. I still think it's a catch, but
it's that's academic. I'm only trying to point out that
as bad as some of and it will advised as
some of Wentz's throws were, and the the intentional grounding

(46:54):
penalty might have been his worst play that He had
a number of decent plays and in his couple cases
didn't not get any help from an offensive line from
time to time, did not get help from his best
wide receiver. I think JJ, I mean, it was good
defensive help there, but I actually think that was more
JJ not holding onto the ball. In fact, he said
he tried to bring it in with one hand. Yeah,

(47:15):
I think that was the mistake he made because he
likes doing that a little bit, and I think he
realized that's a catch that he usually makes and needs
to make again. I'm not cutting him because more times
than not he's going to make the play. But to me,
that's a an a game in which we're looking at,
you know, just a number of small items that might
have been the difference or certainly might have tilted the

(47:37):
game a certain way. That's four points there, right, Yeah,
we had to get a field go on that, and
maybe Carson feels good. I mean, I'm always the vibes
guy too. Yes, yeah, you throw a touchdown all of
a sudden, everybody breathes a little easier, maybe the defense
plays a little bit better. I think there's six red
zone appearances. One touchdown is unacceptable. Some of that is

(47:57):
absolutely on wins. Some of that I don't think a
big part of it is we talked about earlier the
show and is on the head coach. You know, second
and one, we don't run third and one, we don't
run fourth and one, we don't run two drives where
it's first and ten inside their twenty five, and we
never run again. It's pass past, pass, past, pass, pass
pass pas literally seven plays, and I, for the life

(48:22):
of me, do not understand knowing what he knows about
the vowel situation at the quarterback position.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Knowing that he's got right now a.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Guy who's a backup, who's gonna make some good plays
and gonna make some bad plays. Kind of the definition
of being a backup, and why you wouldn't want to
help him out. I have absolute no idea. Now again,
they have looks. And by the way, there are times
I think where the quarterback goes to the line has
a running play and a passing play. You see something
and he may say maybe with the.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
JJ and the JJ play it's one on one. Well,
i'll take that.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Whatever run we were gonna go with, I'm gonna turn
this into a And to that extent, you could say
it was a good call. The mistake there was just execution,
not by the QB in this case, but by the
wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
So I understand it.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Sometimes it'll be more difficult than that. We're in last
place in the division. We're in the twelfth place right
now in the NFC.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Is that where we are? Yeah? Wow, I just looked
it up.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Twelfth place overall, last place at three and three.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
In the division.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
The this is the only division I assume in football
with no losing records, got to be a quick scan,
gotta be by the way, it was Carolina, who's the
who's the ancient quarterback? Andy Dalton dog talking about? Was yeah,
he he helped Carolina to victory. I don't know how

(49:43):
old is he forty yet? I don't think he's forty yet,
probably not quite. But he's getting there and I'm not
sure he might be so tonight we've got Minnesota Wild
Hockey and the fan we do.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Here are the teams below us right now?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Okay, the Commanders, yea, quarterbacks, they got quarterback issues now, Cardinals, Cardinals,
the Giants, and the Saints.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Those are the four teams below us. C NFC. Well,
I watched.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I went back and forth between the Vikings game and
the Bears game. The Saints are awful. Bears, they're starting
to feel it though. Defensively, I'm starting to see the tweets. Well,
defensively they do look pretty good because their offense yesterday.
You know, the one thing they're doing well now is
they're running the ball there. But Caleb did not look
and sink at all. They did not throw very well.
This was the Bears at home against the Saints defensively, hell,

(50:34):
I think they're picking off three passes a game. That's
what we got to get back to. We've got to
get some some takeaways. The way this team is set up,
you'll have some opportunities on Thursday because Herbert's going to
sling it he usually does. We were going to go,
you know, we're going to go much more you know,
physical ground game, even though we got a high flying
passing quarterback. I thought that was the whole plan this year.

(50:55):
We're toughening up the team, and they have done some
of that. They've also been down a lot. They were
obviously down a lot yesterday right to Indy, right, but
the big time. Yeah, they end up losing by fourteen.
Indy's averaging thirty five points a game, twenty three to
thirty four. A couple of tuddies and Jonathan Taylor's. He
has been magnificent. He was one of my favorite. I

(51:17):
would put him in the top five probably players of
all time that I watched on the field, yes, you know,
in my Gopher duties in the last fifteen years. He's
one that was just always different. Even though the Gophers
did a pretty good job against him in his time there.
You just looked at him and Yes, that guy's just
a different dude. He just moves different, he's built different.
You knew he'd be a great pro, no doubt, and

(51:39):
he has.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
He has been.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
He has it make it would make sense that Vikings
are one of the lower teams the NFC. They played
their last four games with a backup quarterback. What's the
forty nine ers record after last night? Hang on, I
gotta go.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Just go forty nine ers, different division.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I gotta go back to the stands soft schedule, although
we have until the Eagles game, played one of the
softest schedules in the league. Now it's about it started
with the Eagles game to get tougher. The Niners are
five and two. Huh, how many games have they had
with a backup quarterback? They're down two receivers. We have
a better point differential than really. Yeah, I think the
Bengals game might have padded those. They're only plus seven. Yeah,

(52:16):
they they're not. They're not dominating anybody. Uh, it was
a defensive struggle last night. Any chance that the Atlanta
is gonna bench Penix and bring kirkback.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
K last Pennix is banged up to I think, didn't
I see that? I didn't.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I didn't see that. I'm pretty sure he's banged up.
He's day to day with a bone bruise in his
lower leg. Yeah, could be cousins redemption. Oh how good
would that'd be?

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Great?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Bell of the NFL is never They're never void of
great storylines.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Something always happens.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Did you see that KOs was interviewed for the pregame
nationally National Finals. I didn't see it, and he was
asked about you know, you're called the quarterback whisper and
he kind of wins to kind of grimaced, and the
reporter she said, you don't you don't like that? Well,
that's not my favorite. But then he he said he

(53:10):
wasn't his favorite. You know why because he wants to
be known as a full whole team with whisper, not
just a quarterback whisper. He wants to be the team whisperer.
So he kind of wants to be like the Baldali Lama.
I think a little bit more than I thought. How
do we make his name into the bal Dali Lama
like we did for Roco? I can't remember who the

(53:30):
reporter was, who did it? It was on Fox and
she basically said, there's nobody who wouldn't want to play
for this guy. Also played No, it wasn't pam Olin,
it wasn't Aaron Andrews. Wasn't Aaron Andrews. It's the Ones Thompson. Yes,
I think that's what it was. Yeah, all right, yeah,
so there you have it.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Who wouldn't want to play for this guy?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I mean? And then on the panel they said the
same thing, everyone wants to play for him. Well, let
I would probably play for though, Yeah, I know, just me.
I mean it's I know, we got the backup quarterback
right now. But Niners Jonesy's look good for them? Not
great by Mac jonesy out. Yeah, I mean that's pretty
He's done pretty well now. They also, I think, have
not played That's the other thing. If you look at

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the Colts schedule. Somebody pointed out they have not played
a lot of great teams either. I don't know if
they ever do. Maybe that one of those schedules where
it's going to be soft all year. On the other hand,
the way they're beating teams right and the level of
which they're scoring, it's kind of hard to argue with
the fact that they seem to have figured something out,
and Daniel Jones has most assuredly figured something out as well. Dan,

(54:34):
they passed sixteen out of twenty one plays in the
red zone. I will take his word for it. I'm
still getting I get one of these every day. JJ
is the ghost of Christian Ponder pasted. Oh, actually this
is no, this is the bit.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Let me read.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Let's start over three two one. JJ is the ghost
of Ponder pasted. Wentz is totally gassed. Brozemer won't be
the last wild and six from Tim.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Wild and six. I feel that hasn't happened since twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
But you can listen to him tonight six minutes from now,
right here.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
On the fan.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Maybe he means, do we have an in season? I
don't think the NHL tournament? Yeah, I don't think they
have an Emirates NHL coming. I don't think there's a
four Nations this year either. There's an Olympic tournament. Will
I'll be able to win that. We're off to a
slow start, aren't we. Yeah, I read Joe Smith yesterday.
I'm like trying to get caught up from the weekend
right because I thought they started like, the season's like

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ten days old, right, and we did Okay, it's a start.
And I know Volsay, I got to play. Corilla and
Boldie were playing pretty well.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
And I read it. I'm like, did I?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
I know?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
The night games have taken over my sleep pattern. So
it's over already. Apparently, it's almost like the team has
been given last? Right have they done it? Is Louie
going to have to do a player's only a meetingum
while he's on the road with them? Is he on
with us tomorrow? He should be from the road. Yeah,
he should be on this road trip. Seaffert is scheduled
for tomorrow. Andy lug in studio tomorrow as well for

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a very specific reason. So it'll be another early show
right out at six again, not tomorrow Tomorrow, six thirty.
Tomorrow's regular. We're out at five thirty Wednesday, five o'clock
on Thursday. Coming up next, your favorite hockey team, Garci's
favorite hockey team taking on the New York Rangers, who
last scored a home goal in the twenty twenty three

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to twenty four season.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
We'll talk tomorrow three. A lot of things that are
easily correctable