October 20, 2025 • 46 mins
Dan Barreiro opens the show talking Vikings and explaining why the Vikings must avoid being the "magic elixir" to the Chargers on Thursday after they were to the Eagles on Sunday in Minneapolis. Dan also begins reviewing his Vikings Talking Points about the loss.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Obviously it's uh, you know, it's frustrating.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
This is your beware becoming the magic Elixir.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Leader fan Fan Radio Network. Did you see the game?
And k f a N.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Dot com One minute and fifty seven seconds past three
o'clock Central daylight time, Welcome back. It is a Monday
day after edition of the Bumper to Bumper program on
a rather dark, dank, and wet Monday afternoon here in
the twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
My name is Dan Barrero. I am the ring.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Master over this particular circus we occasionally call the Afternoon
Ardvark Guards. He's the producer of the show, sideline reporter
for the suddenly celebate what's the word I'm looking for here? Celebratory,
dominant but apparently disrespected.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh really, golden golfers. We'll get to that later.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Believe me, there's plenty to get to today between now
and six.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You tell me. We're at six o'clock this evening.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
We've got Wild Rangers from New York coming up tonight
at says is that a regular season game? I think
it's a regular season game.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Do the Wild know that yet? On this road trip
a little bit of a choppy road trip.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, yeah, yeah, usually Louis good luck hadn't been good
luck for them so far. Although apparently we were owed
a moral victory. We played a lot better in the
second game than we did in the first game, where
we were tearing each other to shreds. This game we
didn't get what we deserved. Problem with for Louie when
he's calling the games is he can't be superstitious about
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where he's standing, right Louie, I doubt he does it
for regular season games, Drie. You were with him in
Kuwait when he kept going in and out of the hallway, Right,
doesn't he have like lucky spots and if things are
tends to yeah, he'll he'll find a way, he'll invent
way to sort of change his luck. He can't do
that when he's sitting next to the panther. Instead, like
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if he goes to get a diet coke instead of
the usual the usual cup, maybe he'll get a coffee
like a plastic coffee mug instead or styrofoam coffee cup
and put the diet coke in there. He he invents
stuff that most people would say have nothing to do
with luck, but he feels like that's how he invents it,
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but he can't do it when he's doing the game.
He can't move, he can't do anything different. Well, he
can move between periods. I guess that's true and that
and I'm sure he does that too. Where he goes
walking around the garden. There's two entrances to the to
the press box restroom. I'm going to take the other
entrance and go out the other way. Whatever the case
may be, refresh my memory. He's survived nearly drowning, he
survived an airplane, airplane crash at least one. Was there
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something else? Because I feel like he's been pretty lucky.
I feel like if you're on an airplane, that's the
way you want to be on with There may have
been a third. We'll ask him this week, but there's
definitely been two. As you say, we are delighted her
along for the ride today, Bradshawn, Brian cafe and text
line is open and people are already venting and checking
in via.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Six four six, eight six.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
We've got several outstanding vikings talking points. We have a
visit with Ben Lieber schedule for four forty seven. I
don't think Adam Field is going to join us today.
Because it's a short week, we're not even sure we're
gonna get them at all. But if we get them,
it will probably be tomorrow because, as most of you
know by now, the Vikings head to Los Angeles. I'm
assuming on Wednesday to take on the Chargers on Thursday,
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and that's the where the elixir, the magic elixir comes in.
Are we about for the second consecutive week to be
another good teams in the case the Eagles obviously great
teams magic elixir. You'll recall that coming into Minnesota on Sunday,
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there were people who had given the Philadelphia Eagles last
rites basically said, I know they're weird. They know how
to sometimes, they know how to handle all the adversity
and the controversy.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
But something's different. This time. The QB looks.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Off, the whole team looks off. I think the Eagles
had dropped two straight games for the first time in
a while. They had blown a fourth quarter league in
the lead in the first of those two games to
the Denver Broncos. Maybe we're gonna have to start basically
saying to the Denver Broncos or to people who lose
the Denver Broncos. This might be the greatest fourth quarter
team in the history of football because they scored all
thirty three of their points. I didn't know you could
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do this, right, all thirty three of their points in
the fourth quarter to beat the New York Giants twenty
five in the last five and a half. Exactly, that's possible.
I didn't think so either. The highlights of that game
are pretty entertaining. I must say they were, but I'm
not for me exactly hates them. But I digress. So
Eagles come in here, dead buried. It's over. It was
a good run. You can't win two straight Super Bowls.
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Who knows where it goes from here. But as I recall,
I think I what I saw was the Eagles won
the game, knocked off the Minnesota Vikings. Well, who do
we play Thursday? We play the Los Angeles Chargers of Anaheim.
Chargers just got destroyed at home by the hottest team
in football, led by the hottest quarterback in football, Daniel
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Jones and the Indianapolis Colts. I think the finals thirty
eight twenty four. It was Ian Harbaugh's house. They've now
dropped three of their last four, the only victory being
a not all that convincing two point victory over the
struggling You want to talk about a team that's a mess, Yeah, Miami.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Dolphins right now.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So if you're the Chargers, aren't you looking at this
the same way the Eagles now can look back on it.
This is their make good opportunity. We don't want to
become other teams magic elixir, and we're in that same position.
And in this case, the Chargers of these can say, well,
we're at home as well. That's not what we envisioned
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when this season began, making other good teams feel like,
here's our bounce back opportunity. We were not supposed to
be in that category, and maybe we won't be as
the season goes forward. But it was not a good
look on Sunday, and it's a dangerous situation given we
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have to fly across the country a few days rest.
Chargers were at home, I think to the Colts, right,
so they didn't have to go anywhere. A short week
for them, but they're sleeping on their own beds. They
got nothing that's going to disrupt them. Meanwhile, we got
all the disruption that goes with all having to fly
across the country and play on the road without even
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really do.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
We even bother to practice in between? What are the
rules on that?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'll ask liber Yeah for forty seven, but I don't
even remember. They don't do much, right, They don't do much.
It's mostly walk through stuff. And because you're already basically
I'm going to screw this completely. But you're already like
on a Wednesday, you know, it's a Monday. You might
even be on a Friday. I don't know, So you can't.
It's not like you come in today and start hitting
and start working on you know, red zone stuff with
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full physicality. It's mostly just getting your bodies right to
go play on Thursday. And ask you a question, who
in the last if we go back to last year
in this year, can you name the best quarterback we've beaten,
that our defense has beaten last year in this year,
who is the best quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That we have beaten?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I mean, I would say off the top of my head,
I'm just gonna go with Jordan Love. I think that's
a great, good guest, and I think that's the answer.
And I don't know there are you know, not everybody
would put him at the top of the list would
certainly be I think, considered above average quarterback, even if
he has to yet prove that he can be franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Guy.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I bring it up because last year we faced Jared
Goff twice cooked and lost to him twice. We faced
Matthew Stafford twice and lost to him twice. Right, this
year we have faced Aaron Rodgers, who's obviously passed his
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prime but still having a pretty good season overall, and
certainly looked I think, I guess you could certainly say
more than serviceable with even some flashes of greatness against us,
and even the week after that a in a setback, right,
and who else? And so the best quarterback we've beaten
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this year is Caleb Williams. So I threw this out
during sermons yesterday that part of my curiosity about this
game against the Eagles was exactly that we beat Jake Browning.
I mean not to apologize for it, but that's who
you beat. He's who's already been benched.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
In fact, they were so happy with jam Turning ended
up making a trade to get another, you know, the
oldest quarterback in football, Joe flaccol Correct, what's his nickname.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You call him Joe Cool. Oh he's been called that
from time to because he's so low key. Joe Cool.
Get it, I do. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Super Bowl winner about two decades ago, and we've got
three wins. We beat Caleb, we beat Jake, and we
beat the Browns backup quarterback, a rookie who's kind of
been thrown in because the Browns don't know what the
hell else to do. Now, maybe he was brilliant yesterday
they were playing a bad team and they took care
of business at home. I think they won like thirty
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one to six, something like that. So for me going
into the game, I'm going I know there's a million
angles we're all covering.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I want to see how.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
We do against a good quarterback who hasn't been playing
particularly well. But Jalen Hurts is still I think considered
upper end overall, one of those guys who maybe you
don't always love every pass he throws, or maybe he
doesn't always have to pass a lot because they got.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Such a good running game. But a guy who knows
how to run an offense, guy who got to.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
The Super Bowl this last time and won it. And
I know we didn't give up forty points. I know
the defense is not responsible for the pick six.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I get that too.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You could say, take that away, and how many points
did we give up twenty one?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
What do we give up for the game twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, so the pick six, you could say, well, the
defensively gave up twenty one. It's a it's a scoring league.
But something's wrong with this picture to me. Now again,
I'm talking about some of the best quarterbacks out there,
and nobody's record probably is great against them. We haven't
been any of them other than as you say, Jordan
Love once. Didn't we split with Green Bay last year?
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I don't remember. No, we couldn't have because we were four.
We lost to the Lions and the Rams and the
Regular Show. So would bet Jordan Love twice?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I think we did. Okay, then that would be it,
and like he might not have even played one of them.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Her text me, if I'm missing a great quarterback, another
great quarterback that we beat. If you want to call
Jordan Love great, I mean we beat Jets Rogers, which
I don't think is was good. So we beat him
in London. That was early. Yeah, I went through the schedule.
No one else really jumped out at me as someone
that was elite, elite or very very we beat the
Eagles last year?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Did we play the I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Somebody saying we beat the Eagles last year, double check
the sketch guy. If I if I forgot that game,
shame on me. I don't remember that. But what I'm
saying is, and this will be one of the talking points.
And there's been a lot of discussion about all the
deep passes, all the not just the deep passes, but
the third and longs.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Those were the killers that we allowed the uh, the
Eagles to and the QB to convert. You know, we
that's supposed to be in our up.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
That's anybody's wheelhouse, right especially B flow. You're gonna try
to get a first down on third and thirteen against
B Flow? Good luck, you know, good luck to the kids.
And they did it in the I think it was
three straight drives and the three Straights touchdown scoring drives
in the second half.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, that's exactly what they did, didn't they.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, and then the dagger one before I think even
the dagger dagger one, yes, yes, where it's just you
have that happen. We did not play the Eagles last year. Okay,
I didn't think we did. Maybe maybe he wants to
believe that or project it. We beat the Niners week two.
I'm seeing in that game I don't even remember. I
think we're going back to ride.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You would have probably played in that game.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
But this is this is a new iteration of the
of the defense, right, this is a this is a
different defense than even a year ago. And look, we're
playing a good quarterback Thursday, so let's see.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You and I have been occasionally tough on Herbert just
because we want to see the winning and in the playoffs,
and he had another disastrous postseason performance last year. But
he's he's got very good. In fact, I think he
threw in this game for like four hundred yards. He
threw had to throw a lot, right, So I don't
know if that that that could just be one of
those box score deals. But it's again timely, let's see
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what we can do. I want to sort of see
this defense occasionally take your breath away against a really
good quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Right, I mean to.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Get swept by both Golf and Stafford.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That's a little much for me.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Before I'm going to say this is a great defense,
and when it mattered last night or yesterday afternoon, even
though again it was only three touchdowns, we got carved up.
Our secondary got carved up, and often with receivers that
were not a little bit open, crazy receivers that were
wide open that can't be sort of finessed away.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I think moving forward.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So let's not be another good team's magic elicks are
on Thursday. No reason we have to be if we
take care of business. And let's let's challenge a good quarterback,
a quarterback more accomplished than Caleb Williams, who's maybe on
the verge. We'll see he didn't play very us Gabriel
or Doing Gabriel or your guy Jake Plummer.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
No, not Jake Plumber. Jake Brown Jake Browning. Yeah, Jake
Plumber still in the league. He might be.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
What was Andy Dalton won a game yesterday? I didn't
even though he was still around.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Are you being serious? I'm being serious. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
For who?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I can't remember, but he came in, Andy Dalton. We'll
have to look it up. During the break, I heard
comments of talking about it. I missed that completely too,
I think everybody did. It's unbelievable. All right, Let's do this.
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do sometimes a lot of good texts are coming in
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to the Bradshawn Bryant to kfan text line, how do
you feel about beating Kirk Cousins. I don't know at
this point how to feel about that. I just think
my point stands that I'd like to see us play
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more representative game defensively against the good to very good quarterbacks. Now,
being good to very good means you're not going to
beat them all the time. But I don't like looking
back on last year and get it wait, including the
postseason getting swept by Stafford, getting swept by by Goff
and the first time we saw legitimate quarterback this year one,
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who was hurting.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
He diced us up. In fact, let's start there. We
call this, for want of a better term, great moments
in a kick ass defense.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
On pork down, Hurts takes the snap. He's looking to
the left. He's going to pay the left single covery.
JJ Brown wide open touchdown film without vehicles. I have
no idea what happened to Josh Mattelis on that play.
But aj Brown left him in the tels fault for
a thirty seven yard touchdown and the Eagles have taken
a six zero lead. Atra offensive lineman Fred Johnson into
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the right and they're gonna pass out of it, and
they're gonna throw deep. Jalen Hurts to Devonte Smith caught
it the thirty to the twenty touchdown. Philadelphia Eagles a
seventy nine yard touchdown pass from jailing Hurts to Davonte Smith.
Come on, man, and it was a beauty and the
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Eagles lead twenty nine. This is third and fifteen from
hillas twenty.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Five yard line.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Philadelphia leads twenty one to six. Late in the third quarter,
Hurts out of the shotgun, takes the snap, steps up.
Now he bounces up to the left. I stay down
the field flag all the way on the other side
of the field, pass left caught first down Dafonte Smith
in front of Jeff Okudah at the Vikings forty seven
tending fraction.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Let's see, come on, Bill and the a contact hit
from fifty one. Dang it fine, help you play burst out.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Twenty seven yards for the first down.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Beat now not getting any pressure on the quarterback. Jalen
hurts his all day, and it's it's basically cashman winding
out to the flat and collisioning a wide receiver. It's
something that you know, linebackers have done for centuries up
until this illegal contact rule. And again it's another critical
mistake by the Vikings, whether it be turnovers or penalties,
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they've cost us dearly. Now the Eagles are in our
side of the fifty and we can't, oh, we can't
afford to give them any more points. So got to
come up with a stop here somehow.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Some way.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Davonte Smith seven catches one hundred and forty three yards
and a touchdown. Holy cow, burks play action from under
center on first down. He's gonna throw over the middle.
It's caught again by DeVante Smith. Who kills us. Flag
comes there late. He caught it the twenty seven yard line,
so it's a twenty yard game.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
They picked up the flat calmed down one of the two.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I mean, we just can't get a hold of Devonte Smith,
who just murders us every single time. Here it is
third and nine from the Eagles forty four. Hurts is
under the shotgun, takes the snap Harris and Smith blitz
his Hurts loops it up left side. AJ Brown was uncovered,
caught it at the twenty, hits to the right to
the fifteen Byron Murphy Junior brings him down at the eleven,
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and it'll be first down for Philadelphia. A J.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Brown with a forty five yard reception.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You get a good gist of good overview there of
just how porous the Viking secondary was. I mentioned early
Mattelus on the first score. I'm not blaming Mettelis at all.
It looks like Ian Rodgers got messed up because the
receiver had come across the formation. There's no way, no
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matter how I know, we played a lot of three safeties, okay,
but it's difficult for me to believe that b flow
in the laboratory hatched a plan that wanted Mattellus to
be guarding a world class receiver deep in that situation.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Right, there's just no ways step for Steff.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
No, that just does not if if that was the
If that was the plan, it's a bad plan. I
tend to think it was more that they got confused
or there was a better smoother way for the two
UH defensive backs, one safety, one corner to keep Mattellus
was at the tight end somewhere it was another receiver,
But I think a tight end with a closer D
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pattern and and and have your cornerback chase the wide receiver,
maybe it wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I I honestly don't know. The numbers are remarkable.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
DeVante Smith nine catches one hundred and eighty three yards
and a touchdown, including seventy nine yarder, and aj Brown
four catches one hundred and twenty one yards, two touchdowns,
including a forty five yarder. So you can do the
math on that thirteen receptions between the two of them,
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and you're talking about over three hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You can't really make that up, can't you.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
No, that's just not going to be workable, even if
in the end well, can't blame the defense for the
pick six, and they didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It wasn't like they scored forty.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Points, but it negated so many other times where the
Eagles offense looked lifeless, disinterested, and inept. Right, when you
can have a seventy nine yard touchdown, none of that
matters because there were times, and I know you tweeted
about it as well, that game was absolutely there for
the taking. I still am not convinced that the Eagles
have all their issues figure right, No, but were the
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elixir We may be, but as you're watching that and
you're thinking, the Vikings are lucky to be in this
position after they throw the pick six, to just have
it I think a one score game at halftime, because
the Eagles looked completely dis interested for basically the entire
second quarter. But when they can just line it up
and throw it deep a couple of times, or convert
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on a third and thirteen multiple times, it erases all
the good work that you did defensive before that, Because
there was some good work defensively to put them.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
In the middle game.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
There was, but until there was when you give up
those plays, yeah, I know, easily, it's all irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Had you included this in the.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
In this particular great moment in a kick ass defense.
But the last three Philly drives as we talked about
early third and fifteen third and thirteen third and nine,
and Hertz converted on all three. That includes the twenty
eight yarder to Smith, thirteen yard at a Brown, and
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the forty five yarder to Brown as well, basically burning
Isaiah Rodgers. And you know that obviously it took away
any chance the Fightings might have had to get the
ball back again. And the other here's the other scary
thing about that matchup and the way it played out.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
We all know what koc wants to do.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
That's what he wants man forty five yard passes for touchdowns. Yeah,
twenty eight yarders, thirty seven yards, that's his dream. He
wants to have that play action stuff, the big arm
quarterback slinging the ball downfield, because it is a lightning
strike like that is devastating, and it was devastating yesterday.
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I'm here to tell you, I don't know that that's
the way for the Vikings to go right now, but
it did emphasize and reinforce the point when you got it.
What a hell of a weapon because it does sort
of negate, it sort of nullifies all of your struggles
first what like, I think it was like five possessions
in a row for the Eagles are close to it, right,
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maybe four where you don't think about that, you don't
care about that if you have that in you, and
obviously the Eagles do, and obviously their quarterback does. There
was a lot of talk about they put him back
under center a lot more than they had previously, which
I I'll be honest with you, I'm not a shotgun guy.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I understand in college everybody uses it, but in the pros,
I just think now you got to have quarterbacks who can,
you know, turn their back to the defense and still
read it and figure out what you.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Know, decision to make.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But I just feel like there's so much more good
offenses can do when the quarterback is under center. I
think it opens up so many more options. Now you've
got to have also time, and we didn't have much
of a pass rush in this game. And he's elusive, right,
He's also capable of buying time but still making plays,
not so much anymore with his legs, right, but with
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buying himself time to throw the ball, as.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He did a couple times too.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It felt like he did that five times where there's
guys all around him and he just finds his way out.
And it's hard even if you're playing pretty good coverage,
which they did at times, right, it's hard to cover
that long when you've got a guy running around for
four or five, six, seven, eight seconds. The receivers know
what to do. They obviously knew where the weaknesses were
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for the Vikings. Yeah, he got out of a couple
of tricky situations. I thought just enough to make the
Vikings pay well the other You know, there's another element
to the defense, and it's been much discussed that if
you're giving up yardage and you're giving up big plays,
it's never good. But there is a weapon that, if
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you can implement, it can also nullify some of that
at least, and that's the takeaway, taking the ball away
from the other team, giving your offense the ball in
plus scoring position because you've knocked the ball away via
fumble or you've picked off a pass. And if I've
done my math right, and I rarely do, the Vikings
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do not have a single takeaway in their last three games,
and they've had. They've had seven for the year, but
five came in the Bengals game, right, so two how
many games we play?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Six?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Five games? That's not workable either, now, you know, depending
on who you want to talk to on takeaways, some
people think there's an element of luck involved, and sometimes
you get luckier than other times.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Saw that I think is ball hawking?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Hell, yesterday it's I mean, we never had a chance
at an interception because we generally were ten yards behind
the receiver. How often were we even in the same
zip code to have a chance to maybe make a
play or to steal a pass.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
But I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
You know, And look, every team, every defensive coordinator dreams
of takeaways, and they all talk about them, and they
all emphasize them, and they all, you know, work on
it in practice. I don't know how you manufacture it.
But as currently constituted, without what would be classified as
a high flying offense, you absolutely have to find a
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way to take the ball away from the other team, right,
I mean, you can't be in minus territory as we
were again in this game. Now, we got away with
it the week before against Cleveland, but that's Cleveland with
a rookie quarterback, right, You're not going to get away
with it against most teams. And so that's part of
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what I think is troubling about this defense is that
other component, which has been a strength of this defense
as recently as a year ago, has most assuredly to
this point, not been a strength at all in twenty
twenty five. And part of that is also because I
think Alex Lewis is right wrote about it today. I'm
sure others have as well. By the way, I had
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to google a word that Guestling wrote today. We'll have
to talk to him about that. Okay, the formula is
let the offense get a lead, right, and then let
the defense do all their different things and create turnovers
and then extends the lead. They haven't been able to
do that at all because the offense has been trailing
most of the season, right, even going back to Chicago when.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
They had to come back.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
They weren't good against Atlanta obviously Cincinnati, that thing was
so unique and pair shaped because of the defensive touchdowns
right out of the gate that you can't really factor that.
In Pittsburgh, same thing, right, The offense was no good
until the end of the game. Right, they kind of
got themselves back into it. But the formula that the
Vikings have prided themselves on, or that Koc has liked
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to play with good start offensively leads to a great
middle for the defense, expand the lead, extend the lead, whatever.
They haven't been able to do any of that this
year for a number of different reasons. None of it's
that's definitely a big part of the deal. So we'll see,
you know. I mean, we all have from the beginning
predicted this is kind of punishing to have to play
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so quickly win or lose, you know, just a few
days after a Sunday game, to have to play Thursday.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Everybody's got to do it. Everybody's got to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And beyond that, I think you got to look at
it the other way and say, all right, this gives
us a chance without having to wallow in it for
an entire week, to get it out of our system,
go to LA and win the damn ball game. Easier
said than done. And I guess there's now an open question. Well,
I'll ask you, is there an open question about who's
going to start at quarterback? I don't think there is neither,
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Like the X factor would be if Wentz comes in
later today or tomorrow and they go, shoulder's gotten worse
and he's just his body. His body's rebelling. So at
that point, what makes it interesting at that point is
does he rush out of out of in his mind
necessity the guy he doesn't want to rush the kid,
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or do you put in another kid who's got even
less experience. That's the brochmur your guy obviously, So that
that's the interesting question. My guess is you're gonna see
Wentz again unless he literally can't go, and you're gonna
You're gonna then see this whole thing during that law
stretch after the Thursday night game before we play a
week from the following Sunday, all of this workout, where
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they're going to have they're going to take a long,
hard look at at their quarterback situation and.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Likely make a call for McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I would think at that point, I think you have to,
because if you don't at that point, then you you
are You're not there's something you're not telling us. If
at that point you don't do it right, and there's
something you've you know, you're clinging to that you don't
want to make public whether it's the ankle or where
he's at in his processing there. I don't think there'd
be any other explanation at that point. Let me get
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to a couple of texts. A bunch of them are
coming in, Dan, You're gonna hear a lot of Vikings
apologies talk about the touchdown that wasn't or the holding
call that cost them. The truth is the Eagles scored
it will I'm thinking if the Vikings would have cashed
it on those touchdowns, Eagles would have just swung back
right around score because our secondary made it look like
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the nineteen ninety nine greatest show on turf Saint Louis
Pro that we were playing against.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I thought the holding call was the right call.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I thought the title I thought Hockinson caught I shouldn't
say I ont me rephrase that. I believe the ruling
on the field that Hockinson caught the ball for a
touchdown was the correct ruling.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It was obviously overturn.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
There's a couple of officials who said exactly why they
think the overturning was the correct call.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Maybe they saw an angle that I didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I saw some movement, but I was under the impression
that the ball could move. But I also thought he
when it was moving, he had his hand under it.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But we'll never know. I that was a call. I
think that the Vikings deserved.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I didn't though, if I'm being honest, come away from
that game going, that's why we lost the game. That's
a big call. Yeah, and we didn't get it, and
that's a touchdown. But we still have to stop him. Yes,
we still have to stop them and get the ball
back right. Well, that's the other thing about the Eagles
that that impresses me is, you know, there's a lot
of talk about how you know Dan Campbell, you know,
a rambling gambling guy, not if he's fearless. The guy
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in Chicago now, Ben Johnson, fearless riverboat gambler.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
You know, he doesn't care what.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The analytics say or what the book says about. We
got to run the ball three times at the end
of a game and make him use their timeout. He'll
do whatever he has to do. And I think that's
what the Rams showed me again yesterday too. Is excuse
me the Eagles that in that situation they they are
fearless as well.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Now, maybe what again, they recognized what their coordinator said.
There's something about the way they're playing defense. We can
think we get away with this, But there was I
don't think never at the end of that, when they're
trying to keep the ball from us. At the end,
I never got the sense that they're going to do
the old we got to run the ball three times,
make him use their remaining timeouts, and if we have
to punt, we'll punt whatever we have to do. I
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just don't think and they've got the equity for that, right,
I mean, they're already they've been great for a while.
They just they won the Super Bowl a year ago.
They don't care whatever convention is either. And I don't
know that they get enough credit for that. Maybe because
they've been struggling lately that they too, and they're not
going to pay attention to, you know, drain the timeouts,
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play this safe, whatever the case may be. They went
for the old if we complete this pass, and it's
it's you can argue you risk high reward play. There's
risk to it totally that they but if we do that,
the ball game's over, right, game's over, and they're not
going to get the ball back because we didn't get
the ball back correct correct the game. And they threw
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it on second down too. That's great point. Second in completion. Yes,
the throw is it was the right read. It was
just the ball was behind the receivers, I recall, and
that is I think almost even more unconventional. Yes, yes,
not even get to like second, third and five or
third and seven, because it's second and nine, they throw it.
Vikings don't have to use the time out right, Corres,
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So you've got that too. They how many teams out
of one hundred do what the Eagles did?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Ten out of my hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Get it. They're all talking and going, well, we're gonna
we're gonna run the ball, and we got Barkley and
we're gonna leave the clock and then here we go.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
And they did not.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Now part of that might be because they knew what that
The Vikings couldn't stop them in moments of truth, because
they hadn't all day in huge situations I shouldn't say
all day, but in huge situations, high leverage ones even
earlier in the drive, you know, or the drive before,
they just say we're gonna throw it up and we're
gonna trust our guy against zay Raj and we'll see
what happens. Were you at all titillated by what Koc
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allegedly said during the briefing today?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
What did you say? Well, according to Texter, Kyle.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Koc did say that that that Brozemer was the only
healthy quarterback. Carson and JJ are still healing. With the
short week. I could be investing in Brosmar Bungalows.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Did he say that? I don't think he said that.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Uh, maybe he wants maybe Kyle wants to believe it,
but I know he didn't say Brozmer Bungalows Dah he
said that, Yeah, could he have said Brozmar Brownstones?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Could he likely?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Could he have said Brentwood Brosmer Because they're going out
to l A. I don't know. They were hanging out
pretty tight Friday night at Huntington Bank Stadium, KAOS they
were well somebody, uh somebody texted me Sunday during sermons
to say it was Rose Gopher Rose Bowl guy who
was yelling at from the side I guess from the
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sands at Koc basically saying you got to start Brosmer
uh and and that he kind of chuckled and then
he pointed to Drake Lindsay said, how about that guy.
There's your controversy right there. I can confirm he was
impressed with that twenty yard touchdown to Lomechy Brockets. That
was a good play on the third third quarter drive.
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I can confirm it wasn't Mahomes, but it was a
good thing. It was a good play that they were
pretty thick on the Mahomes stuff, aren't they. Oh my god,
it was off the charts. We'll come back now and
get to some more texts, lots more Vikings talking points.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
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second consecutive week, I find myself gobsmacked by a point
spread and I understand, don't text me a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
The spread is made to elicit action, but.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I also thought, to a certain extent, it gives you
some sense of what oddsmakers think of the relative quality
of the two teams matched up against one another.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
A week ago.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
The Gophers, I think at one point whereas much as
was it nine point underdogs, the home standing Gophers nine
point underdogs to Nebraska?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Correct? What does that mean? Correct?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
That's a lot of point And I think it came
back a little bit to the pack. But I still
found that and I get it. The Gopher performance against
Purdue was not at all impressive, even though they ultimately
won the game. And I know Nebraska had been on
a roll and they were twenty eight fifth rank.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I still thought. I didn't. I still didn't.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I guess trust Nebraska enough to trust that gap. Similarly,
this week, and by the way a fan has learned,
the Gophers dominated that game.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So now this week we're going to Iowa.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Game time's now said, I think it's a two thirty correct, yep,
pregame started to twelve thirty right here in the fan.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I've got the Gophers as eight and a half point underdogs.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
It already gone to eight and a half. The Iowa Hawkeys. Wow.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Now again, well it may have. I think it's moving
a little bit. And again it probably depends on what
service we're looking at. I'm seeing a couple that says
eight and a half. That sounds preposterous to me. Again,
not let me make it clear that I now trust
the Gophers. We're on our way to the Rose Bowl,
or we're on our way to the net, to the
to the to the to the postseason tournament.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I guess I don't trust Iowa enough either, even though
I know the game is there to think there's I
put both these teams kind of in the great and
middle of the Big ten. So I guess I'm a
little stunned by that point spread as well. But it's
got to be perfect for PJ. Colton born material for
PJ to say we we dominated the twenty fifth ranked
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team in the country allegedly wasn't even a ball game.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Quite frankly, it was a mismatch.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And they so little in us that we're practically double
digit underdogs to the Hawkeyes nine and a half according
to DraftKings. That is surprising. That's surprising to me as well.
That's a lot of points in Iowa. They ended up
winning the game Saturday night against Penn State, and they're
back up quar Yeah, and they were down twenty one
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to ten I think at one point in the third
quarter and found a way to get it done.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's a big number. That's a big number. Nebraska attention.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Nebraska, by the way, seven and a half point favorites
to Northwestern, who won't lose it New York. Yeah, they
Northwestern continues to play that.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Where is that game? Nebras Lincoln? Okay, yeah, yeah, that's so.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I I just I guess I just don't trust uh
any of these teams enough for that that for there
to be that big of a I agree with the gap,
but we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
We got plenty of time to get to that later.
Do you trust your.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Shosiers against the hottest team in college football? UCLA? Well,
twenty five and a half point favorites. Too many points.
I thought it was too many points against Michigan State,
and ultimately, uh, this is a yes, I guess another
sign of how things are weird in Bloomington, Indiana and
different than they've ever been. Indiana played probably a B
minus game for them, and they outscored after a slow
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start Michigan State thirty one to three, and they ended
up winning thirty eight to whatever it was it wasn't
it ended up being not close.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I think they scored on like five straight possessions. People
are bitter, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And yeah, and people are bitter, which again tells you
that things are very different than they used to be
in Bloomington. That still seems like a lot of points
to me. I agree, But you know, at this point,
the quarterback question is ongoing.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
It's fluid, and.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I will be not the first to say, but I
will be another individual to say that I wasn't is
down on Carson Wentz's performance, as many of the mc
bobos who are never going to give him any slack
whatsoever because they're so anxious to get their guy back
on the field. Having said that, on compels me to
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also say that with the way Wentz played yesterday, the
door has been opened. He played badly enough in making
rookie mistakes that you're not supposed to get from a
veteran quarterback that I think, in a way that wasn't
true until this game. The door is open now again.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
What you do. Who you know slipped through that open door.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Is still an interesting question because it gets back to
what we talked about last week. The health of the
guy you want to give the ball to is still
the essential question. And if you deem he's not healthy
enough to be springy moving around, given all the other
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issues he's gonna have to be dealing with on the road,
prime time on a Thursday night game, then you may
still have to go with Wentz. I don't think he
intends to play your guy yet, Max Brosmer now because
in an odd sort of way, I think he wants
to either stick with Wentz or bring the guy they
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built this whole thing around, JJ McCarthy, because that's what
this team has to find out now.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Eventually, Who knows.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
If an opportunity arises and Brosmer plays the second half
of the Chargers game and plays great as you you will,
I'm sure no doubt predict for the fifth straight week.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I thought, one of these weeks, you're going to be right.
We should happened.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Well.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
The the reality is, I still think though that's the
way the head coach is thinking. But enough happened yesterday
for me to say what I've said all along, which is,
let this play out. If Wentz comes back to the pack,
then you'll, you know, you'll have your opportunity to put
somebody else in, probably JJ, but JJ.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Again, we have no idea how he's gonna be viewed
in terms.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Of the health issue, and that, to me is what
makes this so fascinating. You know, on the way, as
we prepare for that particular game, he may not be
healthy enough. They may have behind the scenes, off the record,
already determined that we're playing this out with Wentz until
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we get to that Detroit game, which would be a
week from Sunday, right, basically two weeks from yesterday, Yes, correct, exactly.
That's that's the long game we're playing, and from that
point it's going to be JJ McCarthy's team, because again, Wentz,
I don't I'll be honest. I don't think he was
helped out at times by his head coach. I don't
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think he was always helped out by his receivers. I
don't think he was always helped out by his offensive line.
But he made I mean, I actually wasn't as offended
with the second throw as the first one. As reckless
as it looked, it was as good as a pun
deep interception because he's got an arm. But and you
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can see you don't do that on second down, you
do that on third down. I get the point. The
first pick, I don't know what to make. That's a
vision thing. It was a bad pick obviously because it
ends up being a pick six. And then the intentional
grounding was key because it's deep in their territory. And
I'm assuming he just assumed that there's got to be
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a running back there somewhere. But if he knows the play,
he knows the only back I think that's available is
the guy he probably should have thrown too out in
the flat as a TV color analyst guy said yep.
And that's so that's an unforgivable play under those circumstances
as well, And he does that. That's part of the
reason he's in the position that he's in now. I
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would say, but I can't say, you know a good
conscience that he got a lot of help. To be honest,
I don't think he did get a lot of help.
And we'll get to a couple of the talking points
later at this regarding this thing involving offensive Lineman and
even JJ as dependable as JJ usually is. I think
we have six games now of the quarterback, whoever it
is not getting much help.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
So I think we need to stop thinking that they're
going to be this well oiled machine, that this infrastructure
is there, all the stuff he talked about in the
preseason on why they were willing to give it a
shot with basically a rookie quarterback because they thought the
infrastructure was all going to be solid and let's just
see what he can do. I think he got to
give up on that at this point. I know we
might get some people back and there may be some
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things to work through there, but I think the second
JJ's healthy, I think at this point you got it.
Carson Wentz has not played well enough to keep the job. No,
he has not well. Again, what makes his fluid though,
is I think he's going to play this next game.
I agree with that, so then we'll see, you know,
I don't think there's a decision once JJ's healthy. I
think the decision is to get him back out there.
That's what I would say. Be careful what you wish
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for well, of course, but I just don't think Carson's
played above and beyond where they have to start thinking
about it or continue to think about it. What does
this mean, Dan, You are an apologist for Wentz, but
you treat J prime Bradier Manning.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
I'm all confused. I don't think i'm.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Either, quite Frankly, I have tended to defend Wentz just
because some of the criticism has been irrational. Let's be
honest about something, boys and girls. The reason you're clamoring
for somebody else, whether it be JJ or your guy Brosmer,
is recency biased. The most recent stuff you've seen is
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of this quarterback. You've already forgotten how dreadful JJ was
in seven of the first eight quarters. Dreadful, the lowest
rated quarterback in football maybe ever. But it happened a
long enough time ago that you've put it out of
your mind. So I have tended to try to defend
Wentz a little bit more in that regard.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
And on Brosmer.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I mean, who's to say at this point, but I think,
as as this sounds, you're really throwing.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
One thing is to go with the backup because you
have to.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Another is, on a team that's supposed to be built
for the youngster, put in another youngster, and I think
that's part of what deep down the head coach might
be trying to avoid. Now, will circumstances force his hand
in this next game on Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Somebody's got to play the position. So I have to
see a top of the hour break back with another
Vikings talking point neck
Obviously it's uh, you know, it's frustrating.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
This is your beware becoming the magic Elixir.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Leader fan Fan Radio Network. Did you see the game?
And k f a N.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Dot com One minute and fifty seven seconds past three
o'clock Central daylight time, Welcome back. It is a Monday
day after edition of the Bumper to Bumper program on
a rather dark, dank, and wet Monday afternoon here in
the twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
My name is Dan Barrero. I am the ring.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Master over this particular circus we occasionally call the Afternoon
Ardvark Guards. He's the producer of the show, sideline reporter
for the suddenly celebate what's the word I'm looking for here? Celebratory,
dominant but apparently disrespected.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh really, golden golfers. We'll get to that later.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Believe me, there's plenty to get to today between now
and six.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You tell me. We're at six o'clock this evening.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
We've got Wild Rangers from New York coming up tonight
at says is that a regular season game? I think
it's a regular season game.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Do the Wild know that yet? On this road trip
a little bit of a choppy road trip.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, yeah, yeah, usually Louis good luck hadn't been good
luck for them so far. Although apparently we were owed
a moral victory. We played a lot better in the
second game than we did in the first game, where
we were tearing each other to shreds. This game we
didn't get what we deserved. Problem with for Louie when
he's calling the games is he can't be superstitious about
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where he's standing, right Louie, I doubt he does it
for regular season games, Drie. You were with him in
Kuwait when he kept going in and out of the hallway, Right,
doesn't he have like lucky spots and if things are
tends to yeah, he'll he'll find a way, he'll invent
way to sort of change his luck. He can't do
that when he's sitting next to the panther. Instead, like
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if he goes to get a diet coke instead of
the usual the usual cup, maybe he'll get a coffee
like a plastic coffee mug instead or styrofoam coffee cup
and put the diet coke in there. He he invents
stuff that most people would say have nothing to do
with luck, but he feels like that's how he invents it,
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but he can't do it when he's doing the game.
He can't move, he can't do anything different. Well, he
can move between periods. I guess that's true and that
and I'm sure he does that too. Where he goes
walking around the garden. There's two entrances to the to
the press box restroom. I'm going to take the other
entrance and go out the other way. Whatever the case
may be, refresh my memory. He's survived nearly drowning, he
survived an airplane, airplane crash at least one. Was there
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something else? Because I feel like he's been pretty lucky.
I feel like if you're on an airplane, that's the
way you want to be on with There may have
been a third. We'll ask him this week, but there's
definitely been two. As you say, we are delighted her
along for the ride today, Bradshawn, Brian cafe and text
line is open and people are already venting and checking
in via.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Six four six, eight six.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
We've got several outstanding vikings talking points. We have a
visit with Ben Lieber schedule for four forty seven. I
don't think Adam Field is going to join us today.
Because it's a short week, we're not even sure we're
gonna get them at all. But if we get them,
it will probably be tomorrow because, as most of you
know by now, the Vikings head to Los Angeles. I'm
assuming on Wednesday to take on the Chargers on Thursday,
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and that's the where the elixir, the magic elixir comes in.
Are we about for the second consecutive week to be
another good teams in the case the Eagles obviously great
teams magic elixir. You'll recall that coming into Minnesota on Sunday,
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there were people who had given the Philadelphia Eagles last
rites basically said, I know they're weird. They know how
to sometimes, they know how to handle all the adversity
and the controversy.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
But something's different. This time. The QB looks.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Off, the whole team looks off. I think the Eagles
had dropped two straight games for the first time in
a while. They had blown a fourth quarter league in
the lead in the first of those two games to
the Denver Broncos. Maybe we're gonna have to start basically
saying to the Denver Broncos or to people who lose
the Denver Broncos. This might be the greatest fourth quarter
team in the history of football because they scored all
thirty three of their points. I didn't know you could
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do this, right, all thirty three of their points in
the fourth quarter to beat the New York Giants twenty
five in the last five and a half. Exactly, that's possible.
I didn't think so either. The highlights of that game
are pretty entertaining. I must say they were, but I'm
not for me exactly hates them. But I digress. So
Eagles come in here, dead buried. It's over. It was
a good run. You can't win two straight Super Bowls.
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Who knows where it goes from here. But as I recall,
I think I what I saw was the Eagles won
the game, knocked off the Minnesota Vikings. Well, who do
we play Thursday? We play the Los Angeles Chargers of Anaheim.
Chargers just got destroyed at home by the hottest team
in football, led by the hottest quarterback in football, Daniel
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Jones and the Indianapolis Colts. I think the finals thirty
eight twenty four. It was Ian Harbaugh's house. They've now
dropped three of their last four, the only victory being
a not all that convincing two point victory over the
struggling You want to talk about a team that's a mess, Yeah, Miami.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Dolphins right now.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So if you're the Chargers, aren't you looking at this
the same way the Eagles now can look back on it.
This is their make good opportunity. We don't want to
become other teams magic elixir, and we're in that same position.
And in this case, the Chargers of these can say, well,
we're at home as well. That's not what we envisioned
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when this season began, making other good teams feel like,
here's our bounce back opportunity. We were not supposed to
be in that category, and maybe we won't be as
the season goes forward. But it was not a good
look on Sunday, and it's a dangerous situation given we
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have to fly across the country a few days rest.
Chargers were at home, I think to the Colts, right,
so they didn't have to go anywhere. A short week
for them, but they're sleeping on their own beds. They
got nothing that's going to disrupt them. Meanwhile, we got
all the disruption that goes with all having to fly
across the country and play on the road without even
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really do.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
We even bother to practice in between? What are the
rules on that?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'll ask liber Yeah for forty seven, but I don't
even remember. They don't do much, right, They don't do much.
It's mostly walk through stuff. And because you're already basically
I'm going to screw this completely. But you're already like
on a Wednesday, you know, it's a Monday. You might
even be on a Friday. I don't know, So you can't.
It's not like you come in today and start hitting
and start working on you know, red zone stuff with
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full physicality. It's mostly just getting your bodies right to
go play on Thursday. And ask you a question, who
in the last if we go back to last year
in this year, can you name the best quarterback we've beaten,
that our defense has beaten last year in this year,
who is the best quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That we have beaten?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I mean, I would say off the top of my head,
I'm just gonna go with Jordan Love. I think that's
a great, good guest, and I think that's the answer.
And I don't know there are you know, not everybody
would put him at the top of the list would
certainly be I think, considered above average quarterback, even if
he has to yet prove that he can be franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Guy.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I bring it up because last year we faced Jared
Goff twice cooked and lost to him twice. We faced
Matthew Stafford twice and lost to him twice. Right, this
year we have faced Aaron Rodgers, who's obviously passed his
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prime but still having a pretty good season overall, and
certainly looked I think, I guess you could certainly say
more than serviceable with even some flashes of greatness against us,
and even the week after that a in a setback, right,
and who else? And so the best quarterback we've beaten
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this year is Caleb Williams. So I threw this out
during sermons yesterday that part of my curiosity about this
game against the Eagles was exactly that we beat Jake Browning.
I mean not to apologize for it, but that's who
you beat. He's who's already been benched.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
In fact, they were so happy with jam Turning ended
up making a trade to get another, you know, the
oldest quarterback in football, Joe flaccol Correct, what's his nickname.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You call him Joe Cool. Oh he's been called that
from time to because he's so low key. Joe Cool.
Get it, I do. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Super Bowl winner about two decades ago, and we've got
three wins. We beat Caleb, we beat Jake, and we
beat the Browns backup quarterback, a rookie who's kind of
been thrown in because the Browns don't know what the
hell else to do. Now, maybe he was brilliant yesterday
they were playing a bad team and they took care
of business at home. I think they won like thirty
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one to six, something like that. So for me going
into the game, I'm going I know there's a million
angles we're all covering.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I want to see how.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
We do against a good quarterback who hasn't been playing
particularly well. But Jalen Hurts is still I think considered
upper end overall, one of those guys who maybe you
don't always love every pass he throws, or maybe he
doesn't always have to pass a lot because they got.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Such a good running game. But a guy who knows
how to run an offense, guy who got to.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
The Super Bowl this last time and won it. And
I know we didn't give up forty points. I know
the defense is not responsible for the pick six.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I get that too.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You could say, take that away, and how many points
did we give up twenty one?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
What do we give up for the game twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, so the pick six, you could say, well, the
defensively gave up twenty one. It's a it's a scoring league.
But something's wrong with this picture to me. Now again,
I'm talking about some of the best quarterbacks out there,
and nobody's record probably is great against them. We haven't
been any of them other than as you say, Jordan
Love once. Didn't we split with Green Bay last year?
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I don't remember. No, we couldn't have because we were four.
We lost to the Lions and the Rams and the
Regular Show. So would bet Jordan Love twice?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I think we did. Okay, then that would be it,
and like he might not have even played one of them.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Her text me, if I'm missing a great quarterback, another
great quarterback that we beat. If you want to call
Jordan Love great, I mean we beat Jets Rogers, which
I don't think is was good. So we beat him
in London. That was early. Yeah, I went through the schedule.
No one else really jumped out at me as someone
that was elite, elite or very very we beat the
Eagles last year?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Did we play the I don't remember that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Somebody saying we beat the Eagles last year, double check
the sketch guy. If I if I forgot that game,
shame on me. I don't remember that. But what I'm
saying is, and this will be one of the talking points.
And there's been a lot of discussion about all the
deep passes, all the not just the deep passes, but
the third and longs.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Those were the killers that we allowed the uh, the
Eagles to and the QB to convert. You know, we
that's supposed to be in our up.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
That's anybody's wheelhouse, right especially B flow. You're gonna try
to get a first down on third and thirteen against
B Flow? Good luck, you know, good luck to the kids.
And they did it in the I think it was
three straight drives and the three Straights touchdown scoring drives
in the second half.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, that's exactly what they did, didn't they.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, and then the dagger one before I think even
the dagger dagger one, yes, yes, where it's just you
have that happen. We did not play the Eagles last year. Okay,
I didn't think we did. Maybe maybe he wants to
believe that or project it. We beat the Niners week two.
I'm seeing in that game I don't even remember. I
think we're going back to ride.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You would have probably played in that game.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
But this is this is a new iteration of the
of the defense, right, this is a this is a
different defense than even a year ago. And look, we're
playing a good quarterback Thursday, so let's see.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You and I have been occasionally tough on Herbert just
because we want to see the winning and in the playoffs,
and he had another disastrous postseason performance last year. But
he's he's got very good. In fact, I think he
threw in this game for like four hundred yards. He
threw had to throw a lot, right, So I don't
know if that that that could just be one of
those box score deals. But it's again timely, let's see
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what we can do. I want to sort of see
this defense occasionally take your breath away against a really
good quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Right, I mean to.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Get swept by both Golf and Stafford.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That's a little much for me.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Before I'm going to say this is a great defense,
and when it mattered last night or yesterday afternoon, even
though again it was only three touchdowns, we got carved up.
Our secondary got carved up, and often with receivers that
were not a little bit open, crazy receivers that were
wide open that can't be sort of finessed away.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I think moving forward.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So let's not be another good team's magic elicks are
on Thursday. No reason we have to be if we
take care of business. And let's let's challenge a good quarterback,
a quarterback more accomplished than Caleb Williams, who's maybe on
the verge. We'll see he didn't play very us Gabriel
or Doing Gabriel or your guy Jake Plummer.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
No, not Jake Plumber. Jake Brown Jake Browning. Yeah, Jake
Plumber still in the league. He might be.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
What was Andy Dalton won a game yesterday? I didn't
even though he was still around.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Are you being serious? I'm being serious. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
For who?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I can't remember, but he came in, Andy Dalton. We'll
have to look it up. During the break, I heard
comments of talking about it. I missed that completely too,
I think everybody did. It's unbelievable. All right, Let's do this.
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out at five thirty. What about the falest pregame show. Yeah,
we don't usually do that. Oh for the early starts,
we really don't. Sometimes in six fifteen we do. We
do sometimes a lot of good texts are coming in
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to the Bradshawn Bryant to kfan text line, how do
you feel about beating Kirk Cousins. I don't know at
this point how to feel about that. I just think
my point stands that I'd like to see us play
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more representative game defensively against the good to very good quarterbacks. Now,
being good to very good means you're not going to
beat them all the time. But I don't like looking
back on last year and get it wait, including the
postseason getting swept by Stafford, getting swept by by Goff
and the first time we saw legitimate quarterback this year one,
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who was hurting.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
He diced us up. In fact, let's start there. We
call this, for want of a better term, great moments
in a kick ass defense.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
On pork down, Hurts takes the snap. He's looking to
the left. He's going to pay the left single covery.
JJ Brown wide open touchdown film without vehicles. I have
no idea what happened to Josh Mattelis on that play.
But aj Brown left him in the tels fault for
a thirty seven yard touchdown and the Eagles have taken
a six zero lead. Atra offensive lineman Fred Johnson into
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the right and they're gonna pass out of it, and
they're gonna throw deep. Jalen Hurts to Devonte Smith caught
it the thirty to the twenty touchdown. Philadelphia Eagles a
seventy nine yard touchdown pass from jailing Hurts to Davonte Smith.
Come on, man, and it was a beauty and the
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Eagles lead twenty nine. This is third and fifteen from
hillas twenty.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Five yard line.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Philadelphia leads twenty one to six. Late in the third quarter,
Hurts out of the shotgun, takes the snap, steps up.
Now he bounces up to the left. I stay down
the field flag all the way on the other side
of the field, pass left caught first down Dafonte Smith
in front of Jeff Okudah at the Vikings forty seven
tending fraction.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Let's see, come on, Bill and the a contact hit
from fifty one. Dang it fine, help you play burst out.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Twenty seven yards for the first down.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Beat now not getting any pressure on the quarterback. Jalen
hurts his all day, and it's it's basically cashman winding
out to the flat and collisioning a wide receiver. It's
something that you know, linebackers have done for centuries up
until this illegal contact rule. And again it's another critical
mistake by the Vikings, whether it be turnovers or penalties,
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they've cost us dearly. Now the Eagles are in our
side of the fifty and we can't, oh, we can't
afford to give them any more points. So got to
come up with a stop here somehow.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Some way.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Davonte Smith seven catches one hundred and forty three yards
and a touchdown. Holy cow, burks play action from under
center on first down. He's gonna throw over the middle.
It's caught again by DeVante Smith. Who kills us. Flag
comes there late. He caught it the twenty seven yard line,
so it's a twenty yard game.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
They picked up the flat calmed down one of the two.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I mean, we just can't get a hold of Devonte Smith,
who just murders us every single time. Here it is
third and nine from the Eagles forty four. Hurts is
under the shotgun, takes the snap Harris and Smith blitz
his Hurts loops it up left side. AJ Brown was uncovered,
caught it at the twenty, hits to the right to
the fifteen Byron Murphy Junior brings him down at the eleven,
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and it'll be first down for Philadelphia. A J.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Brown with a forty five yard reception.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You get a good gist of good overview there of
just how porous the Viking secondary was. I mentioned early
Mattelus on the first score. I'm not blaming Mettelis at all.
It looks like Ian Rodgers got messed up because the
receiver had come across the formation. There's no way, no
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matter how I know, we played a lot of three safeties, okay,
but it's difficult for me to believe that b flow
in the laboratory hatched a plan that wanted Mattellus to
be guarding a world class receiver deep in that situation.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Right, there's just no ways step for Steff.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
No, that just does not if if that was the
If that was the plan, it's a bad plan. I
tend to think it was more that they got confused
or there was a better smoother way for the two
UH defensive backs, one safety, one corner to keep Mattellus
was at the tight end somewhere it was another receiver,
But I think a tight end with a closer D
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pattern and and and have your cornerback chase the wide receiver,
maybe it wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I I honestly don't know. The numbers are remarkable.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
DeVante Smith nine catches one hundred and eighty three yards
and a touchdown, including seventy nine yarder, and aj Brown
four catches one hundred and twenty one yards, two touchdowns,
including a forty five yarder. So you can do the
math on that thirteen receptions between the two of them,
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and you're talking about over three hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You can't really make that up, can't you.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
No, that's just not going to be workable, even if
in the end well, can't blame the defense for the
pick six, and they didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It wasn't like they scored forty.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Points, but it negated so many other times where the
Eagles offense looked lifeless, disinterested, and inept. Right, when you
can have a seventy nine yard touchdown, none of that
matters because there were times, and I know you tweeted
about it as well, that game was absolutely there for
the taking. I still am not convinced that the Eagles
have all their issues figure right, No, but were the
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elixir We may be, but as you're watching that and
you're thinking, the Vikings are lucky to be in this
position after they throw the pick six, to just have
it I think a one score game at halftime, because
the Eagles looked completely dis interested for basically the entire
second quarter. But when they can just line it up
and throw it deep a couple of times, or convert
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on a third and thirteen multiple times, it erases all
the good work that you did defensive before that, Because
there was some good work defensively to put them.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
In the middle game.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
There was, but until there was when you give up
those plays, yeah, I know, easily, it's all irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Had you included this in the.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
In this particular great moment in a kick ass defense.
But the last three Philly drives as we talked about
early third and fifteen third and thirteen third and nine,
and Hertz converted on all three. That includes the twenty
eight yarder to Smith, thirteen yard at a Brown, and
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the forty five yarder to Brown as well, basically burning
Isaiah Rodgers. And you know that obviously it took away
any chance the Fightings might have had to get the
ball back again. And the other here's the other scary
thing about that matchup and the way it played out.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
We all know what koc wants to do.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
That's what he wants man forty five yard passes for touchdowns. Yeah,
twenty eight yarders, thirty seven yards, that's his dream. He
wants to have that play action stuff, the big arm
quarterback slinging the ball downfield, because it is a lightning
strike like that is devastating, and it was devastating yesterday.
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I'm here to tell you, I don't know that that's
the way for the Vikings to go right now, but
it did emphasize and reinforce the point when you got it.
What a hell of a weapon because it does sort
of negate, it sort of nullifies all of your struggles
first what like, I think it was like five possessions
in a row for the Eagles are close to it, right,
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maybe four where you don't think about that, you don't
care about that if you have that in you, and
obviously the Eagles do, and obviously their quarterback does. There
was a lot of talk about they put him back
under center a lot more than they had previously, which
I I'll be honest with you, I'm not a shotgun guy.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I understand in college everybody uses it, but in the pros,
I just think now you got to have quarterbacks who can,
you know, turn their back to the defense and still
read it and figure out what you.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Know, decision to make.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But I just feel like there's so much more good
offenses can do when the quarterback is under center. I
think it opens up so many more options. Now you've
got to have also time, and we didn't have much
of a pass rush in this game. And he's elusive, right,
He's also capable of buying time but still making plays,
not so much anymore with his legs, right, but with
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buying himself time to throw the ball, as.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He did a couple times too.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It felt like he did that five times where there's
guys all around him and he just finds his way out.
And it's hard even if you're playing pretty good coverage,
which they did at times, right, it's hard to cover
that long when you've got a guy running around for
four or five, six, seven, eight seconds. The receivers know
what to do. They obviously knew where the weaknesses were
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for the Vikings. Yeah, he got out of a couple
of tricky situations. I thought just enough to make the
Vikings pay well the other You know, there's another element
to the defense, and it's been much discussed that if
you're giving up yardage and you're giving up big plays,
it's never good. But there is a weapon that, if
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you can implement, it can also nullify some of that
at least, and that's the takeaway, taking the ball away
from the other team, giving your offense the ball in
plus scoring position because you've knocked the ball away via
fumble or you've picked off a pass. And if I've
done my math right, and I rarely do, the Vikings
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do not have a single takeaway in their last three games,
and they've had. They've had seven for the year, but
five came in the Bengals game, right, so two how
many games we play?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Six?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Five games? That's not workable either, now, you know, depending
on who you want to talk to on takeaways, some
people think there's an element of luck involved, and sometimes
you get luckier than other times.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Saw that I think is ball hawking?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Hell, yesterday it's I mean, we never had a chance
at an interception because we generally were ten yards behind
the receiver. How often were we even in the same
zip code to have a chance to maybe make a
play or to steal a pass.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
But I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
You know, And look, every team, every defensive coordinator dreams
of takeaways, and they all talk about them, and they
all emphasize them, and they all, you know, work on
it in practice. I don't know how you manufacture it.
But as currently constituted, without what would be classified as
a high flying offense, you absolutely have to find a
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way to take the ball away from the other team, right,
I mean, you can't be in minus territory as we
were again in this game. Now, we got away with
it the week before against Cleveland, but that's Cleveland with
a rookie quarterback, right, You're not going to get away
with it against most teams. And so that's part of
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what I think is troubling about this defense is that
other component, which has been a strength of this defense
as recently as a year ago, has most assuredly to
this point, not been a strength at all in twenty
twenty five. And part of that is also because I
think Alex Lewis is right wrote about it today. I'm
sure others have as well. By the way, I had
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to google a word that Guestling wrote today. We'll have
to talk to him about that. Okay, the formula is
let the offense get a lead, right, and then let
the defense do all their different things and create turnovers
and then extends the lead. They haven't been able to
do that at all because the offense has been trailing
most of the season, right, even going back to Chicago when.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
They had to come back.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
They weren't good against Atlanta obviously Cincinnati, that thing was
so unique and pair shaped because of the defensive touchdowns
right out of the gate that you can't really factor that.
In Pittsburgh, same thing, right, The offense was no good
until the end of the game. Right, they kind of
got themselves back into it. But the formula that the
Vikings have prided themselves on, or that Koc has liked
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to play with good start offensively leads to a great
middle for the defense, expand the lead, extend the lead, whatever.
They haven't been able to do any of that this
year for a number of different reasons. None of it's
that's definitely a big part of the deal. So we'll see,
you know. I mean, we all have from the beginning
predicted this is kind of punishing to have to play
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so quickly win or lose, you know, just a few
days after a Sunday game, to have to play Thursday.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Everybody's got to do it. Everybody's got to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And beyond that, I think you got to look at
it the other way and say, all right, this gives
us a chance without having to wallow in it for
an entire week, to get it out of our system,
go to LA and win the damn ball game. Easier
said than done. And I guess there's now an open question. Well,
I'll ask you, is there an open question about who's
going to start at quarterback? I don't think there is neither,
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Like the X factor would be if Wentz comes in
later today or tomorrow and they go, shoulder's gotten worse
and he's just his body. His body's rebelling. So at
that point, what makes it interesting at that point is
does he rush out of out of in his mind
necessity the guy he doesn't want to rush the kid,
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or do you put in another kid who's got even
less experience. That's the brochmur your guy obviously, So that
that's the interesting question. My guess is you're gonna see
Wentz again unless he literally can't go, and you're gonna
You're gonna then see this whole thing during that law
stretch after the Thursday night game before we play a
week from the following Sunday, all of this workout, where
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they're going to have they're going to take a long,
hard look at at their quarterback situation and.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Likely make a call for McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I would think at that point, I think you have to,
because if you don't at that point, then you you
are You're not there's something you're not telling us. If
at that point you don't do it right, and there's
something you've you know, you're clinging to that you don't
want to make public whether it's the ankle or where
he's at in his processing there. I don't think there'd
be any other explanation at that point. Let me get
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to a couple of texts. A bunch of them are
coming in, Dan, You're gonna hear a lot of Vikings
apologies talk about the touchdown that wasn't or the holding
call that cost them. The truth is the Eagles scored
it will I'm thinking if the Vikings would have cashed
it on those touchdowns, Eagles would have just swung back
right around score because our secondary made it look like
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the nineteen ninety nine greatest show on turf Saint Louis
Pro that we were playing against.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I thought the holding call was the right call.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I thought the title I thought Hockinson caught I shouldn't
say I ont me rephrase that. I believe the ruling
on the field that Hockinson caught the ball for a
touchdown was the correct ruling.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It was obviously overturn.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
There's a couple of officials who said exactly why they
think the overturning was the correct call.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Maybe they saw an angle that I didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I saw some movement, but I was under the impression
that the ball could move. But I also thought he
when it was moving, he had his hand under it.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But we'll never know. I that was a call. I
think that the Vikings deserved.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I didn't though, if I'm being honest, come away from
that game going, that's why we lost the game. That's
a big call. Yeah, and we didn't get it, and
that's a touchdown. But we still have to stop him. Yes,
we still have to stop them and get the ball
back right. Well, that's the other thing about the Eagles
that that impresses me is, you know, there's a lot
of talk about how you know Dan Campbell, you know,
a rambling gambling guy, not if he's fearless. The guy
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in Chicago now, Ben Johnson, fearless riverboat gambler.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
You know, he doesn't care what.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The analytics say or what the book says about. We
got to run the ball three times at the end
of a game and make him use their timeout. He'll
do whatever he has to do. And I think that's
what the Rams showed me again yesterday too. Is excuse
me the Eagles that in that situation they they are
fearless as well.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Now, maybe what again, they recognized what their coordinator said.
There's something about the way they're playing defense. We can
think we get away with this, But there was I
don't think never at the end of that, when they're
trying to keep the ball from us. At the end,
I never got the sense that they're going to do
the old we got to run the ball three times,
make him use their remaining timeouts, and if we have
to punt, we'll punt whatever we have to do. I
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just don't think and they've got the equity for that, right,
I mean, they're already they've been great for a while.
They just they won the Super Bowl a year ago.
They don't care whatever convention is either. And I don't
know that they get enough credit for that. Maybe because
they've been struggling lately that they too, and they're not
going to pay attention to, you know, drain the timeouts,
(32:18):
play this safe, whatever the case may be. They went
for the old if we complete this pass, and it's
it's you can argue you risk high reward play. There's
risk to it totally that they but if we do that,
the ball game's over, right, game's over, and they're not
going to get the ball back because we didn't get
the ball back correct correct the game. And they threw
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it on second down too. That's great point. Second in completion. Yes,
the throw is it was the right read. It was
just the ball was behind the receivers, I recall, and
that is I think almost even more unconventional. Yes, yes,
not even get to like second, third and five or
third and seven, because it's second and nine, they throw it.
Vikings don't have to use the time out right, Corres,
(32:59):
So you've got that too. They how many teams out
of one hundred do what the Eagles did?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Ten out of my hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Get it. They're all talking and going, well, we're gonna
we're gonna run the ball, and we got Barkley and
we're gonna leave the clock and then here we go.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
And they did not.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Now part of that might be because they knew what that
The Vikings couldn't stop them in moments of truth, because
they hadn't all day in huge situations I shouldn't say
all day, but in huge situations, high leverage ones even
earlier in the drive, you know, or the drive before,
they just say we're gonna throw it up and we're
gonna trust our guy against zay Raj and we'll see
what happens. Were you at all titillated by what Koc
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allegedly said during the briefing today?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
What did you say? Well, according to Texter, Kyle.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Koc did say that that that Brozemer was the only
healthy quarterback. Carson and JJ are still healing. With the
short week. I could be investing in Brosmar Bungalows.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Did he say that? I don't think he said that.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Uh, maybe he wants maybe Kyle wants to believe it,
but I know he didn't say Brozmer Bungalows Dah he
said that, Yeah, could he have said Brozmar Brownstones?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Could he likely?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Could he have said Brentwood Brosmer Because they're going out
to l A. I don't know. They were hanging out
pretty tight Friday night at Huntington Bank Stadium, KAOS they
were well somebody, uh somebody texted me Sunday during sermons
to say it was Rose Gopher Rose Bowl guy who
was yelling at from the side I guess from the
(34:36):
sands at Koc basically saying you got to start Brosmer
uh and and that he kind of chuckled and then
he pointed to Drake Lindsay said, how about that guy.
There's your controversy right there. I can confirm he was
impressed with that twenty yard touchdown to Lomechy Brockets. That
was a good play on the third third quarter drive.
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I can confirm it wasn't Mahomes, but it was a
good thing. It was a good play that they were
pretty thick on the Mahomes stuff, aren't they. Oh my god,
it was off the charts. We'll come back now and
get to some more texts, lots more Vikings talking points.
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second consecutive week, I find myself gobsmacked by a point
spread and I understand, don't text me a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
The spread is made to elicit action, but.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I also thought, to a certain extent, it gives you
some sense of what oddsmakers think of the relative quality
of the two teams matched up against one another.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
A week ago.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
The Gophers, I think at one point whereas much as
was it nine point underdogs, the home standing Gophers nine
point underdogs to Nebraska?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Correct? What does that mean? Correct?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
That's a lot of point And I think it came
back a little bit to the pack. But I still
found that and I get it. The Gopher performance against
Purdue was not at all impressive, even though they ultimately
won the game. And I know Nebraska had been on
a roll and they were twenty eight fifth rank.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I still thought. I didn't. I still didn't.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I guess trust Nebraska enough to trust that gap. Similarly,
this week, and by the way a fan has learned,
the Gophers dominated that game.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So now this week we're going to Iowa.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Game time's now said, I think it's a two thirty correct, yep,
pregame started to twelve thirty right here in the fan.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I've got the Gophers as eight and a half point underdogs.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
It already gone to eight and a half. The Iowa Hawkeys. Wow.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Now again, well it may have. I think it's moving
a little bit. And again it probably depends on what
service we're looking at. I'm seeing a couple that says
eight and a half. That sounds preposterous to me. Again,
not let me make it clear that I now trust
the Gophers. We're on our way to the Rose Bowl,
or we're on our way to the net, to the
to the to the to the postseason tournament.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I guess I don't trust Iowa enough either, even though
I know the game is there to think there's I
put both these teams kind of in the great and
middle of the Big ten. So I guess I'm a
little stunned by that point spread as well. But it's
got to be perfect for PJ. Colton born material for
PJ to say we we dominated the twenty fifth ranked
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team in the country allegedly wasn't even a ball game.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Quite frankly, it was a mismatch.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And they so little in us that we're practically double
digit underdogs to the Hawkeyes nine and a half according
to DraftKings. That is surprising. That's surprising to me as well.
That's a lot of points in Iowa. They ended up
winning the game Saturday night against Penn State, and they're
back up quar Yeah, and they were down twenty one
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to ten I think at one point in the third
quarter and found a way to get it done.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's a big number. That's a big number. Nebraska attention.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Nebraska, by the way, seven and a half point favorites
to Northwestern, who won't lose it New York. Yeah, they
Northwestern continues to play that.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Where is that game? Nebras Lincoln? Okay, yeah, yeah, that's so.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I I just I guess I just don't trust uh
any of these teams enough for that that for there
to be that big of a I agree with the gap,
but we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
We got plenty of time to get to that later.
Do you trust your.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Shosiers against the hottest team in college football? UCLA? Well,
twenty five and a half point favorites. Too many points.
I thought it was too many points against Michigan State,
and ultimately, uh, this is a yes, I guess another
sign of how things are weird in Bloomington, Indiana and
different than they've ever been. Indiana played probably a B
minus game for them, and they outscored after a slow
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start Michigan State thirty one to three, and they ended
up winning thirty eight to whatever it was it wasn't
it ended up being not close.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I think they scored on like five straight possessions. People
are bitter, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And yeah, and people are bitter, which again tells you
that things are very different than they used to be
in Bloomington. That still seems like a lot of points
to me. I agree, But you know, at this point,
the quarterback question is ongoing.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
It's fluid, and.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I will be not the first to say, but I
will be another individual to say that I wasn't is
down on Carson Wentz's performance, as many of the mc
bobos who are never going to give him any slack
whatsoever because they're so anxious to get their guy back
on the field. Having said that, on compels me to
(40:02):
also say that with the way Wentz played yesterday, the
door has been opened. He played badly enough in making
rookie mistakes that you're not supposed to get from a
veteran quarterback that I think, in a way that wasn't
true until this game. The door is open now again.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
What you do. Who you know slipped through that open door.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Is still an interesting question because it gets back to
what we talked about last week. The health of the
guy you want to give the ball to is still
the essential question. And if you deem he's not healthy
enough to be springy moving around, given all the other
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issues he's gonna have to be dealing with on the road,
prime time on a Thursday night game, then you may
still have to go with Wentz. I don't think he
intends to play your guy yet, Max Brosmer now because
in an odd sort of way, I think he wants
to either stick with Wentz or bring the guy they
(41:13):
built this whole thing around, JJ McCarthy, because that's what
this team has to find out now.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Eventually, Who knows.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
If an opportunity arises and Brosmer plays the second half
of the Chargers game and plays great as you you will,
I'm sure no doubt predict for the fifth straight week.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I thought, one of these weeks, you're going to be right.
We should happened.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Well.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
The the reality is, I still think though that's the
way the head coach is thinking. But enough happened yesterday
for me to say what I've said all along, which is,
let this play out. If Wentz comes back to the pack,
then you'll, you know, you'll have your opportunity to put
somebody else in, probably JJ, but JJ.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Again, we have no idea how he's gonna be viewed
in terms.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Of the health issue, and that, to me is what
makes this so fascinating. You know, on the way, as
we prepare for that particular game, he may not be
healthy enough. They may have behind the scenes, off the record,
already determined that we're playing this out with Wentz until
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we get to that Detroit game, which would be a
week from Sunday, right, basically two weeks from yesterday, Yes, correct, exactly.
That's that's the long game we're playing, and from that
point it's going to be JJ McCarthy's team, because again, Wentz,
I don't I'll be honest. I don't think he was
helped out at times by his head coach. I don't
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think he was always helped out by his receivers. I
don't think he was always helped out by his offensive line.
But he made I mean, I actually wasn't as offended
with the second throw as the first one. As reckless
as it looked, it was as good as a pun
deep interception because he's got an arm. But and you
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can see you don't do that on second down, you
do that on third down. I get the point. The
first pick, I don't know what to make. That's a
vision thing. It was a bad pick obviously because it
ends up being a pick six. And then the intentional
grounding was key because it's deep in their territory. And
I'm assuming he just assumed that there's got to be
(43:18):
a running back there somewhere. But if he knows the play,
he knows the only back I think that's available is
the guy he probably should have thrown too out in
the flat as a TV color analyst guy said yep.
And that's so that's an unforgivable play under those circumstances
as well, And he does that. That's part of the
reason he's in the position that he's in now. I
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would say, but I can't say, you know a good
conscience that he got a lot of help. To be honest,
I don't think he did get a lot of help.
And we'll get to a couple of the talking points
later at this regarding this thing involving offensive Lineman and
even JJ as dependable as JJ usually is. I think
we have six games now of the quarterback, whoever it
is not getting much help.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
So I think we need to stop thinking that they're
going to be this well oiled machine, that this infrastructure
is there, all the stuff he talked about in the
preseason on why they were willing to give it a
shot with basically a rookie quarterback because they thought the
infrastructure was all going to be solid and let's just
see what he can do. I think he got to
give up on that at this point. I know we
might get some people back and there may be some
(44:25):
things to work through there, but I think the second
JJ's healthy, I think at this point you got it.
Carson Wentz has not played well enough to keep the job. No,
he has not well. Again, what makes his fluid though,
is I think he's going to play this next game.
I agree with that, so then we'll see, you know,
I don't think there's a decision once JJ's healthy. I
think the decision is to get him back out there.
That's what I would say. Be careful what you wish
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for well, of course, but I just don't think Carson's
played above and beyond where they have to start thinking
about it or continue to think about it. What does
this mean, Dan, You are an apologist for Wentz, but
you treat J prime Bradier Manning.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
I'm all confused. I don't think i'm.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Either, quite Frankly, I have tended to defend Wentz just
because some of the criticism has been irrational. Let's be
honest about something, boys and girls. The reason you're clamoring
for somebody else, whether it be JJ or your guy Brosmer,
is recency biased. The most recent stuff you've seen is
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of this quarterback. You've already forgotten how dreadful JJ was
in seven of the first eight quarters. Dreadful, the lowest
rated quarterback in football maybe ever. But it happened a
long enough time ago that you've put it out of
your mind. So I have tended to try to defend
Wentz a little bit more in that regard.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
And on Brosmer.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I mean, who's to say at this point, but I think,
as as this sounds, you're really throwing.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
One thing is to go with the backup because you
have to.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Another is, on a team that's supposed to be built
for the youngster, put in another youngster, and I think
that's part of what deep down the head coach might
be trying to avoid. Now, will circumstances force his hand
in this next game on Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Somebody's got to play the position. So I have to
see a top of the hour break back with another
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